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World Cup-2014: Brazil Dreams of a US$ 30 Billion Infusion PDF Print E-mail
2010 - June 2010
Written by Geovana Pagel   
Tuesday, 22 June 2010 16:28

World Cup in BrazilThe ball had barely started rolling in this year's FIFA World Cup, and already tourist industry entrepreneurs were setting their sights on 2014, when the football championship will be held in Brazil. The event's impact on the Brazilian economy will be huge, ranging from the coming of 600,000 foreigners to the country in 2014, to an increase of 47.9 billion reais (US$ 29.9 billion) in the GDP.

If the tournament is well organized, with modern stadiums, good lodging and transport services, safety for walking the streets and, therefore, tourists happily returning home, then the Cup's results will last for years and years. In other words, before, during and after it, the Cup will be a landmark event for the country.

According to the Brazilian Ministry of Tourism, in 2014, 2 million jobs may be created in the industry, and 73 million passengers may arrive in the country.

Also according to the Ministry, 552 million reais (US$ 310 million) have already been invested in the cities that will host the kings of football four years from now: Belo Horizonte, Brasília, Cuiabá, Fortaleza, Manaus, Natal, Porto Alegre, Recife, Rio de Janeiro, Salvador and São Paulo.

"The World Cup host cities will gain visibility with the tournament," explains the director of Products and Destinations of the Brazilian Tourism Institute (Embratur), Marcelo Pedroso. "Not to mention that we want to take advantage of the event to diversify the destination options in the country," he says.

All of the municipalities involved in the tournament should also have exclusive bus lanes and light rail vehicles. The intention is to make traffic easier between the stadiums, hotels, bus terminals and airports. In all, there will be public transport projects, with a total budget of 11.4 billion reais (US$ 6.4 billion).

Pedroso claims that in 2014, 20 billion reais (US$ 11.6 billion) should be invested in infrastructure works such as construction of roads, for instance. The process will mostly affect the lives of those living in the largest Brazilian metropolises: São Paulo and Rio de Janeiro.

In Rio de Janeiro, which is also going to host the Olympic Games in 2016, international tourist flow should be approximately 79,000 during the Cup, and 196,000 for the Olympics. The estimate is from the Special Tourism Secretariat of the Rio de Janeiro Tourism Authority (RioTur).

In order to host the World Cup and the Olympics, Rio expects to carry out works such as the construction of a high-speed rail estimated at 34.6 billion reais (US$ 19.4 billion), the renewal of two terminals at the international airport, to increase capacity to 25 million passengers a year, and the extension of subway lines 1 and 4, which should cost 1.1 billion reais (US$ 619 million) and 4 billion reais (US$ 2.2 billion), respectively.

All in all, the Rio de Janeiro city hall forecasts that investment should reach 28 billion reais (US$ 15.7 billion) by 2016, which should be supplied by the municipal, state and federal governments (23 billion reais, or US$ 12.9 billion) and by the International Olympic Committee (5 billion reais, or US$ 2.8 billion). In the private sector, the improvement of the hotel network and the construction of new hotels should involve investment of over 1 billion reais (US$ 565 million) in the city of Rio de Janeiro alone.

In São Paulo state, investment is expected to reach 1.68 billion reais (US$ 950 million) in Guarulhos and Congonhas airports, as well as another 936 million reais (US$ 530 million) in Viracopos terminal, in Campinas, 99 kilometers away from state capital São Paulo.

In all, the largest city in the country should receive almost 34 billion reais (US$ 19.2 billion) in works for the world cup. Expectations are for 500,000 foreign tourists to visit the country in the month of the Cup, as well as 3,000 journalists.

Among the great hotel chains, expectations for the 2014 world cup are already great. At Accor group, originally French and operating in the country with brands Sofitel, Novotel, Mercure, Ibis and Formule 1, there are 73 hotels currently operating in the cities to host the 2014 Cup, with over 25 units under construction, with investment of 480 million reais (US$ 270 million).

The company says that there are another 34 points in advanced negotiation with investors for future construction. And that is not all: in the cities close to the capitals that are going to receive matches, there are 18 projects in implementation and 35 in advanced negotiation.

Blue Tree Group, for example, forecasts five inaugurations in the Midwest and North this year. "We are observing very positive performance," explained the executive president at Blue Tree network, Chieko Aoki. "The first quarter of the year was one of growth of 15% when compared to the same period in 2009," she said.

According to the businesswoman, the sector is getting ready to receive the visitors to come to the Cup and Olympics. "Being one of the main links in the tourism chain, we are organizing ourselves now so as to offer top-end products and services," said Chieko.

Homework

According to the president at Arbache Consultoria, a professor and consultant in the area of market intelligence, Fernando Arbache, the country needs high-end services to reap the rewards of promotion of the Cup and the Olympics. "The main benefits come after these events," he explained.

"Most of the countries that prepared themselves well had positive results as, after the games, the tendency is for those present to return as tourists," he said. If the opposite takes place, the embarrassment may be great. "The cost of a badly organized Cup may last decades," he said.

Arbache warns that studies and estimates regarding visitation for both great sports events should be developed not considering the current reality, but based on the country we will be in 2014 and 2016, with more cars on the streets and people needing quality public transpiration to see the matches. "Other bottlenecks to be worked are the expansion of the number of passengers at airports and the greater consumption of energy, for example," she explained.

The logic is that, if it is well worked, tourism may change the country in terms of generation of jobs. "Those who go on holiday want to rest and have privileges, without facing automated services," explained Arbache. "Tourists want to be served, in person. And that is where the sector may generate many jobs."

To exemplify what he says, Arbache uses Cancun, a popular resort in Mexico. "Hotels in Cancun offer excellent services. All Mexico had to do was notice that to start attracting tourists from all over the world," he said. "Brazil needs to become more professional in this respect, to understand that tourism is an impulse to social mobility for many workers," he says.

Anba



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Brazil's government closing the door on foreign ownership of farmlands in Brazil
written by Ricardo C. Amaral, June 24, 2010

I am glad that the Brazilian government is finally closing the door on foreign ownership of farmlands in Brazil. I have been writing on this subject for a number of years. Here are some of my postings on Brazzil magazine and on the Elite Trader economics forum:

1) I posted the following on August 2008 on the comments section of my article about the renationalization of Petrobras:

“Brazil needs to close the door on agriculture land owned by foreigners – and the current foreigners who own agricultural land in Brazil will have 5 years to sell their land to a Brazilian.

You would be surprised to find out how many countries around the world are reevaluating their national laws regarding land ownership by foreigners. I was surprised to find out that even states here in the United States are closing that door, but they give 5 years for the foreigner to sell their holdings.

We have a new game going on in the global economy and the rules are changing very fast and they are being adapted to the new ball game of the 21st Century.”

http://www.brazzil.com/article...obras.html


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2) I posted the following on the Elite Trader Economics forum in May 2008

May 5, 2008

SouthAmerica: …The Brazilian government should check closely about how much land foreigners are buying in Brazil and require that these people be minority owners regarding the ownership of these lands and have always Brazilians controlling at least 51 percent of these ventures.

I will be writing about these issues with all its geopolitical ramifications on my coming articles. It will be a matter of national security that the Brazilian government changes its laws regarding these matters.

http://www.elitetrader.com/vb/...il#post19
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“Brazil government plans to limit foreign land purchases”
By STAN LEHMAN (AP)
The Associated Press – June 22, 2010

SAO PAULO — Brazil's government wants to tighten restrictions on foreign ownership of farm lands in Latin America's biggest country, the Agrarian Development Ministry said Tuesday.

Ministry spokeswoman Denise Mantovani confirmed published remarks by Minister Guilherme Cassel, who said that the government does not want foreigners to buy agricultural land in Brazil.

"We do not need foreigners to produce food in Brazil," Cassel told the business newspaper Valor Economico. "This is the policy of President Luiz Inacio Lula da Silva."

"Because of food security, Brazilian lands must remain in Brazilian hands," the minister said.

Mantovani said that 10 million acres (4 million hectares) of land had been registered by foreigners as of 2008 and that between 2002 and 2008, foreigners invested $2.43 billion to purchase land.

According to Valor Economico, the decision to put a lid on foreign ownership of land is due to rising world demand for food, water and natural resources.

Mantovani said that current law says large rural properties can only be purchased by Brazilian citizens or residents.

"But foreigners often bypass that rule by setting up companies in Brazil, which are controlled abroad, to purchase land. This is a foreign company and this is what we want to control."

"I am not a xenophobe but our land is finite. The population grows and demands food," the minister said.

Mantovani said that representatives from several ministries were preparing a constitutional amendment to further restrict foreign ownership of land.

She said the amendment being drawn up "could include the revoking of land titles already purchased by foreigners." She did not provide details.

Most foreigners purchase land to raise cattle and grow soybeans and other crops in the states of Mato Grosso, Mato Grosso do Sul, Sao Paulo, Bahia and Minas Gerais.

We are going to draw up an amendment that will make it clear that foreigners can invest in any field, except land." the minister said.

It is unclear when the amendment will be debated in Congress.

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Ricardo " I was surprised to find out that even states here in the United States are closing that door, but they give 5 years for the foreigner to sell their holdings. "
written by ch.c, June 24, 2010
Could you be more specific including your sources ?
Ricardo on yopur May and August, 2008 comments !
written by ch.c, June 24, 2010
Funny....RIGHT AT THE TOP OF THE 2008 GRAINS AND OIL PRICES... BUBBLES !

As I said so many times....you are a good barometer.

Suffice to do the opposite.

As to the above article, wellllll when I read...for Security reason....Brazil doesnt need foreigners to grow food....I LAUGH LAUGH AND LAUGH ENDLESSLY !

Do the idiot writing so believe that foreigners DONT GROW FOOD...IN BRAZIL ? Haaa...haaaaa !
Reality being that foreign farmers in Brazil...GROW MORE PER HECTARE THAN BRAZILIANS FARMERS !
Envy and jalousy....is the brazilians norm.
Result : oblige FOREIGNERS to sell their better developed land...to BRAZILIANS FARMERS ! At a cheap price....OF COURSE !!!!


Eventually the same idiot should also oblige brazilians farmers to use....BRAZILIANS....SEEDS, TRACTORS, INSECTICIDES, FONGICIDES !
Since 90 % of seeds are....PRODUCED BY FOREIGN COMPANIES,
Noooo doubt...per hectare productivity will COLLAPSE !

I just remind Braz-zeroes that they have degraded 100 millions hectares of land....due to their SUPERIOR technology, know how and investments !
And 100 millions hectares of degraded land is more than the actual TOTAL producing land....if you did not know !


Ohhhh my....ohhhhh my......



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World Cup-2014: Brazil Dreams of a US$ 30 Billion Infusion
written by ch.c, June 24, 2010
Yeahhhhhh !
I did not know that South Africa...have such a reward...for their actual 2010 WORLD CUP !!!

But....but....but....Brazilians are the World Biggest...PRETENTIOUS AND LIARS !

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Ricky, the States resist foreigners?
written by Ederson, June 24, 2010
I didn't know the Yanks resist foreign ownership of anything. I, too, would like to know more about those restrictions, Ricky. I am aware in the 80's that land purchase became so heated and competitive in the States that the bubble burst and many lost up to one-half of their investment in Yankee farmland. Always thought Yankee land prices were kind of self-regulating. Very interesting to learn that they have placed restrictions on land ownership at last.
Ricky, your links and blogs.
written by Ederson, June 24, 2010
Started to read some of your blogs and insights. I don't think you get enough credit from some of us at times.smilies/smiley.gif
Ricardo Amaral
written by João da Silva, June 24, 2010

Hi Ricardo,

Here is an interesting link about Petrobras:

http://economia.estadao.com.br..._24571.htm

My kudos to Luiza Mello Franco who wrote the article under this one are quite justified.

But.. we may end up nationalizing Petrobras for different reasons from the "strategic ones" you have been mentioning!
Ederson "I am aware in the 80's that land purchase became so heated and competitive in the States that the bubble burst and many lost up to one-half of their investment in Yankee farmland."
written by ch.c, June 24, 2010
HMMM...and what about the ACTUAL U.S. REAL ESTATE MELTDOWN ?
Noooo need to go back in the 80's !

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Anyway.....still waiting Ricky the Junkie answer as to which U.S. states are restricting foreign ownership.
Yankee farmland
written by Ederson, June 24, 2010
I think the bad years were '81 to '84. The causes were bad economy, easy money, and overproduction. Anybody who loved farming anywhere in the world can recall pictures of America's middle states with huge piles of corn rotting near their grain storage units. What a waste; they had a difficult time selling the grain. What a financial disaster for so many people around the world connected with American agriculture at the time.
ROI
written by Simpleton, June 25, 2010
For investing in US farmland like middle of dead nowhere in Iowa, count on a long term average value increase of about 1% per year - not enough to pay a mortgage. If you are interested in living on a typical 1865-1867 homesteaded property of 340-360 acres - you just have to "want to" because leasing out the tillable land and pasture to others simply doesn't pay a lot more than the taxes.
Simpleton
written by Ederson, June 25, 2010
That's very interesting, Simpleton. I think every true farm boy dreams of a Midwestern farm, rows of corn and soybeans that are straight and clean, stretching to the horizon, as well as a fleet of new John Deere tractors, and I don't think there are many mean snakes in the Midwest.

But 3,000 to 4,000 dollars an acre? I've often wondered the economics of American farming. No wonder there is subsidizing to such an extent. Still, when I was searching for a farm, I looked into it in the early 80's. It was disheartening. but then I heard what a blizzard was, and the Midwest seemed scarey and worse than snakes.smilies/wink.gif
Do you know if it is true if the Yanks stop outsiders from buying land. When I was young, I knew of German families buy farms for investments because prices rose so quickly before the collapse.
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written by João da Silva, June 25, 2010

Do you know if it is true if the Yanks stop outsiders from buying land.


As far as I know, it is not true. Except that their Senate barred GWB from letting the Dubai Port Authorities to buy a couple of ports on the East coast of the U.S. of A during the last year of his mandate alleging "security reasons".

Unless they have changed laws recently, I think the foreigners can buy properties (including farmlands) there. In fact I am also curious to know from Ricardo about the restrictions.

BTW, I read a few days ago that our farmlands have appreciated in value by 685% over the past 2 years. If our senate approves of the bill to restrict foreign ownership, the prices are likely to tumble down. May be MST will grab them free of cost.smilies/cheesy.gifsmilies/grin.gif

Ederson "But 3,000 to 4,000 dollars an acre? I've often wondered the economics of American farming"
written by ch.c, June 26, 2010
Ederson....check by yourself....this is the same price....IN BRAZIL ! But...PER HECTARE !
I am talking only about Mato Grosso.....1200 kms from ports...and grains mostly transported by trucks...via BR 163 mostly unpaved !
Better yet, contrary to all the brazilians open lies, in Mato Grosso the soil is not that fertile. Reality being....IT NEEDS TWICE AS MUCH FERTILIZERS per hectare THAN IN PARANA....JUST FOR YOUR INFO !

And at the actual grains price, notably corn, farmers are struggling IN BRAZIL !
And every time they struggle they dont repay neither their short term loans to Cargill, Bunge, Louis Dreyfus or Archer Daniel, nor they repay their longer term loans to brazilians banks.
Thus seizures are applied...of course. But only until a corrupted to the roots brazilian judge decides and forces the seizers...to stop the seizures...of course.
This happened in 2006 & 2008, just to mention the last 2 times.
Not over...not over....because even when grains were at the bubble prices early in 2008, Mato Grosso farmers did NOT make that much profits. WHY ? Because obviously all the inputs prices (fertilizers, seeds, pesticides, fongicides, tractors, harvesters)+ the transportation prices due to oil prices were also at BUBBLING PRICES ! Haaa....haaaaa !
The farmers in Parana did much better because the soil is far more fertile, and much closer to ports and large consumers cities.

Finally....think about this :
NOW THE BRAZILIAN CURRENCY IS HIGH...NOT LOW, AND THE GRAINS PRICES ARE LOW....NOT HIGH !

Conclusion :
- PERFECT RECIPE FOR A REPEAT OF 2006 AND 2008 when Mato Grosso farmers did not repay their loans and on top....land prices COLLAPSED !
- All this will surface during the 4th quarter..as usual ! Of course...provided grains prices wont be much higher than now.

Land prices for farming are obviously a lot higher in Parana and Minas Gerais than in Mato Grosso.
So dont believe it is that cheap. Because you must also include the infrastructure DEFICIENCIES such as the transportation costs, meaning a LOW PRICE PAID TO FARMERS...by definition.
Transportation costs inefficiencies for BOTH the inputs & the outputs.....of course !

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ch.c, Cost of farming.
written by Ederson, June 26, 2010
No arguments from me about the costs of farming anywhere. I was just speaking of the intial debt required to get deeper into debt.smilies/wink.gif In the early '80s, I thought it would be easier to get into farming in the States if I married into it. Such dreams!smilies/cheesy.gif But for those who love to be around farming, there are other ways. Bought my first spray plane when I was 23.
Ederson
written by João da Silva, June 26, 2010

Bought my first spray plane when I was 23.


It does leave lots of trail indeed.smilies/wink.gifsmilies/cheesy.gifsmilies/grin.gif
ch.c
written by João da Silva, June 26, 2010

in Mato Grosso the soil is not that fertile. Reality being....IT NEEDS TWICE AS MUCH FERTILIZERS per hectare THAN IN PARANA....JUST FOR YOUR INFO !


Quite well informed, I must admit. But..but... Ederson doesn't need BR 163 to move around. smilies/wink.gifsmilies/cheesy.gif

Ederson "But for those who love to be around farming,"
written by ch.c, June 26, 2010
Then it is great in America and Europe.
But certainly not in Mato Grosso and nearly everywhere else in Brazil.
Because one is in the middle of nowhere, milessss away from the first paved road....itself not well paved...but full of potholes !
Fact is that most large brazilians farmers dont live in their farms but in cities.
And move to and out of their farm by...PLANE !

As to the costs of farming, it always also depends of the prices farmers get.
I saw a while ago that over here, in my country, farmers receive 50 Swiss Francs per quintal "100 kgs" for wheat. Price ex-farm.
Or about 11 U.S. dollars per bushel...EX-FARM !
Not bad....knowing wheat world prices are below 5 dollars...FOB PORT !

And as to the 5 millions brazilians family farmers, most of them still plant seeds manually, grain by grain, and harvest even corn...manually !
And then Robbing Hook...thus also all brazilians are proud of what he did for all the 5 millions family farmers during his 8 years rein.
Fact being that 85 % of agriculture subsidies go to about 100'000 commercial farmers, and 15 % to the 5 millions family farmers.
Reality published yearly at the time of the BNDES budget.
That represents about 2000 dollars of below market rate LOANS, not support donation, for each family farmer.


Olllle sh.t !
A real human tragedy much hidden by Robbing Hook and his gangs.
ch.c, Agreed.
written by Ederson, June 26, 2010
Rarely do I meet anyone with whom I agree completely, and, ch.c, you still are not that person, but you are better than most. I'm really not all that current about the farming in the States, but many, many times, Joao and I have expressed the opinion that Brasil should buy a few less French fighter planes and put that money somewhere else. Perhaps a railroad from the interior agriculture areas to a modern shipping facility or port? I'd make that a primary issue if I were anyone important. Alas, I am but a simple peasant.smilies/wink.gif
ch.c, I enjoy reading your comments!
written by Ederson, June 26, 2010
Your comments inspired some happy memories for me. When I was young, my father planted his cornfields with a horse-drawn two-row planter that could be hooked behind a small tractor when he had one that worked. We also harvested corn by hand, and what wonderful memories they were! Dad would plant something weird and wonderful throughout the cornfield that was hidden by the tall corn until we found it. We weren't the only ones that did it. Our neighbors had to do it, too. I think the Yanks call it schucking? You just pull the ear of corn from the stalk and toss it into the back of a wagon being pulled by a horse or small tractor, you don't take the husks off or anything.
We would stop whenever we found the berries dad had planted for our surprise along the way and have a feast with homemade ice cream. Brings back good memories.
I also hope more farmers use airplanes to get to their fields. My two boys need all the customers they can get.smilies/wink.gif
Yes, and though subsidies help certain segments of the agriculture world, they certainly hurt others. I'm very familiar with that.
Despite how everyone badmouths you, ch.c, you seem such an agreeable sort.smilies/wink.gif
Ederson
written by João da Silva, June 26, 2010

Rarely do I meet anyone with whom I agree completely, and, ch.c, you still are not that person, but you are better than most.


I presume you agree with ch.c over the last two sentences of his post.smilies/wink.gifsmilies/cheesy.gifsmilies/grin.gif
USA…GO…GO…GO…GHANA!
written by fried CHC, June 26, 2010




USA…GO…GO…GO…GHANA!


Hehehe…. Has anyone notice the american football (soccer for the rednecks) jersey’s emblem? If you look carefully at that badge it has 3 stars!

Now then, I know they never won an world cup, unless of course, their stars means consecutive losses….No, they can add a 4th star…

Hehehe

Costinha

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Chronicle Hepes Carrier - CHC
written by fried CHC, June 26, 2010


I think you are due for your regular enema!

Costa
To Herr Doktor Ch.c.
written by wiseman, June 26, 2010
Here is a good article on what's going on with infrastructure development in Brasil today. The author is fairly honest about the progress or lack of it:
http://www.thebrazilianeconomy...cture.php

Gut Doktor, I am still waiting to read/hear your learned views about the U$ & it's continuing reserve currency status. Please do oblige.
To Herr Doktor CH.c.
written by wiseman, June 26, 2010
Sorry, the link should be:

http://www.thebrazilianeconomy.com/infrastructure.php
Joao, ch.c,
written by Ederson, June 26, 2010
Yes, Joao, I follow ch.c's comments quite closely, as closely perhaps as I do those of Ricky's. Indeed, since I've begun reading his blogs, I've begun to accept them as genuinely truthful and for all practical purposes, germ free. And it's not just because he's Swiss; my own Swiss heritage has been diluted by admirable amounts of Scot, Dutch, Italian, and German, to the point I've become immune to many of the failings that seem to permeate and inflict the Swiss. smilies/wink.gif In addition, I can't yodel and like my cheese without holes. I think he'd also enjoy life more if he took the time to learn how to milk a cow, drive a tractor, or schuck corn.
anyone rooting for the usa in world cup play is going to suffer
written by asp, June 27, 2010
god, its like rooting for the cubs

i say good riddins to them, you have to look at them like a joke, for laughs.otherwise , you will just suffer suffer suffer

now we can get on with the real competition....go brazil !!
asp
written by João da Silva, June 27, 2010

I´ve been without tea and crumpets for weeks, ASP. What´s going on? smilies/sad.gif
Yes, Joao, I follow ch.c's comments quite closely, as closely perhaps as I do those of Ricky's.
written by VinnyCarioca, June 27, 2010
I rarely comment on issues here unless it pertains to my country....the good ole USA.
I do though, regularly log on and look forward to comments by everyone here and especially the "chestnut colt" (that's what ch.c means in thoroughbred horse racing) on economic issues. Like Joao said..germ free and truthful. Some may not like his style, but, the info he conveys is spot on...solid...very funny at times, but not for the thin skinned. Anyone who personally knew Prechter is ok in my book.

Regarding an issue brought up about U.S.A. SOCCER...very good entertaining game vs. Ghana. I was very disappointed that those young men didn't prevail. They played with a lot of heart and I'm proud of the way they represented my country.
I shall now root for Brasil and hope they make up for the lackluster performances I have seen so far. That last game against Portugal was about as interesting and dynamic as Costinha's drive-by comments...ZZZZZZZZZZ. smilies/wink.gif
asp
written by VinnyCarioca, June 27, 2010
anyone rooting for the usa in world cup play is going to suffer


I've been a life long NY Rangers fan so, up until 1994, I can feel your sentiment regarding the Cubs. In baseball, the Bronx Bombers have always regaled me with success.

As much as I enjoy futebol....until it becomes a life or death spectacle that essentially shuts down a whole country (talk about a joke smilies/wink.gif ), it may be decades before the US joins the 7 other countries that have won the Cup since 1930.
Tea and crumpets? How civil!
written by Ederson, June 27, 2010
ASP and Joao enjoy crumpets? I rarely know when someone is joking with me.smilies/cheesy.gif My youngest, who is the brains of the family, enjoys Yankee style pancakes. After satisfying his appetite, my wife will cook some tiny pancakes for me with a little more oil and throw a box of them in the fridge. I use real butter on them in the manner of a homemade crumpet. While I rarely confess such obsessions to anyone, the mere fact that I enjoy such marvels is clearly an indication, at least to myself, that I possess a reasonable degree of both sophistication and civilization.smilies/cheesy.gif It is nice to know that both ASP and Joao are sophisticated and civilized.
lucky i was a sox fan
written by asp, June 27, 2010
at least the white sox won one world series when i was a kid...

i was so happy to move to new york and enjoy a few world series wins as a new arrival to manhattan , but , missed the bears super bowl (first year in brazil), and , watched from a long distance the jordan years at the bulls....

god, so many frustrating afternoons as walter peyton took the team on his back in the playoffs only to loose a heart breaker...then, i cant see it on tv and they win the super bowl...

thats why im not going to get emotionaly involved with the american fotebol selection

i only got turned on to fotebol coming to brazil and seeing how the country reacted...and getting to know who these incredible players are...romario will always be one of the best , to me

of course i just saw the documentary about pele on a tam flight i just made for business, and, there really is no one like him, the guy is just the king...

tea and crumpets ? that is just what was served as loyld cata had everyone in his web of fiction writers and conspiricy theory, empire strikes back , , avatar 3 d fantcy, while farc is raping brazil...

joao just got hunkered in by all the melted natural butter ,but couldnt even comment on the article about farc...that thread just blew on the wind ,it was like a bobcat piss product selling convention, with only hotdogs and french fries

meanwhile, we watch daily crack bust reports on television down here
Lloyd Cata?
written by Ederson, June 27, 2010
To be honest, I kind of miss Dr. Cata. At first, I thought he was a real Ph.d. because everyone called him doctor. I especially enjoyed his theories concerning how the Yanks were going to capture the Amazon, but the best was his admonishment of Ricky Amaral for advancing the cause of a Brazilian dictator while he, himself, championed the existence of dictators in general.
Even if ASP and Joao aren't really in love with crumpets, they are still both sophisticated and civilized.smilies/grin.gif
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written by João da Silva, June 27, 2010

joao just got hunkered in by all the melted natural butter


Yeah, it is not quite often a simple peasant like me is recognized by another member of the same social class as "sophisticated and civilized".smilies/cheesy.gif

,but couldnt even comment on the article about farc


That organization can be combated by only a "benevolent dictator", as proposed by our friend Ricardo. If not, we go the "Mexican way" and I am not kidding.smilies/sad.gif



Ederson
written by João da Silva, June 27, 2010

but the best was his admonishment of Ricky Amaral for advancing the cause of a Brazilian dictator while he, himself, championed the existence of dictators in general.


Never mind. Sometimes Dr.Cata can be very inconsistent in his theories on dictatorships. But..but..but.. he is a bright person with a very good grasp on Geopolitics. He is a jolly good fella and I miss his insights too. However, he has promised to be back to socialize with minions like us after he is back from his "secret assignment".
Joao "BTW, I read a few days ago that our farmlands have appreciated in value by 685% over the past 2 years."
written by ch.c, June 28, 2010
Sorry...sorry Joao....but....but....MORE THAN DOUBTFUL...IN VIEW OF THE ACTUAL GRAINS PRICES....COMPARED TO 2 YEARS AGO !


Your 700 % price increase was eventually done since 2002-2003...and in US$, not even in local currency.

Because....before that your currency lost 75 %...between 1998 and 2002-2003 !!!

Here is a fairly recent comment made from an american residing in Brazil for several years, more than well informed, doing group tours in Mato Grosso and elesewhere with mostly potential american investors including some hedge funds :
"Mato Grosso actual farming land prices at 3-4000 dollars per hectare is WAYYY TOO MUCH"

Which is basically my own conclusion.

And he also adds just like I did in my above threads....DONT FORGET THE INFRASTRUCTURE TRANSPORTATION PROBLEMSSSSSSSSSSS !

Ahhhhh....ahhhhh !

Despite my total ignorance of portuguese, from time to time I watch GLOBO TV RURAL ! Because I can still understand the substance of what is said.
All of you should do the same. You would understand better of what is going on....EFFECTIVELY ! And not from your media readings full of DIS-informations !
And it is free of charge !

http://globoruraltv.globo.com

Recently the 60 kgs sacs (around 2,2 bushels) of soyabeans was paid 23 Brl to Mato Grosso farmers ! Or 12,75 dollars per 60 kgs sacs ! Or about 5,80 dollars per bushel !

Ohhhh...and this is the most expensive grain ! World Corn prices are about 2/3rd CHEAPER !!!!

In my humble view and simple common sense.....actual tears are nothing yet from what the tears are going to be....in the 4th quarter in Brazilians farmers eyes...AND PURSES !
Their purses are going to be as empty as the purse of the Greek Governmnet !

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VIVA SWITZERLAND ...where farmers get around 45 dollars per hundred kilos of...WHEAT ! Or about 27 dollars per 60 kgs sacs, or about 12,30 dollars per bushel....knowing the actual World Prices FOB Ports (not even ex farms) are traded at about 4,50 dollars per bushel !

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and as to the WISEMAN....sorry....your ID is way too pretentious for having me answer your questions !
You just remind me....USA_male.
And Bamboo, to whom I answered that my ID should be BAOBAB !
Enjoy your 13 trillion dollars of public debts and your 13 trillion dollars of PRIVATE debts !
You should be thankfull to Bernanke who is very good at printing...printing and printing...more dollars.
Are you aware of the existing rumor ?
Wellll...here it is : The U.S. Federal Reserve and Treasury are going to nationalize ALL U.S. private printers and ALL medias printers ! And the rumor says.... they will be in use 24/7 to maximize efficiency and productivity !
But yanks will still be cornered at their own cheating game at the end.
HOW ?
Simple : more and more countries will peg their currency to the US$ !

CHESSMATE..AMERICA !

Timing ? 1-2 decade(s) !

A little too easy to SIMPLY print money...to pay for your PHYSICAL GOODS imports !
CHC Got a Hold of Some Bad Weed!
written by fried CHC, June 28, 2010


Chronicle Herpes Carrier (CHC) says:

"In my humble view and simple common sense"

CHC, what have you being smoking or putting in your mouth lately (besides piupius)?

ENEMA time....!

Hehehe

Costa
ch.c ......The U.S. Federal Reserve and Treasury are going to nationalize ALL U.S. private printers and ALL medias printers ????
written by VinnyCarioca, June 28, 2010
I have relationships with large printing companies, here in the Western US, and I will be very interested as to how they would feel about a rumor like this.
Would it be reasonable to surmise that this action would be accompanied with ancillary effects such as gold confiscation and martial law?
Since the time line for this extreme measure is in terms of decade(s), what would precede this....besides the ticking time bombs of the new cataclysmic health care bill (that I truly hope is repealed), massive Social Security distributions for retiring baby boomers, servicing the existing debt that will grow with at least a trillion dollars a year in budget deficits for the next ten years?
What other horror stories can be added to the mix? I'm sure you're aware of what your old pal Prechter thinks about all this.

A little too easy to SIMPLY print money...to pay for your PHYSICAL GOODS imports !

Helecopter Ben certainly concurs with that!

BTW...ever played the ponies in Hong Kong or Dubai?
Interesting Op-Ed in the NY Times
written by VinnyCarioca, June 28, 2010
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written by VinnyCarioca, June 28, 2010
Great win for the selecao. Bring on the Dutch!
IDE à CASA
written by Alandria Ferreira, June 28, 2010
KARIOKKKAS GO HOME smilies/tongue.gif
Response to Herr Doktor CH.c.
written by wiseman, June 28, 2010
Why would you consider my ID pretentious. Perhaps Wiseman should be considered an oxymoron. Again, I am not USA_Male or Bamboo, so there is no need to be paranoid.

So sifting through your pearls of wisdom I would conclude that the U$ will enjoy approx. another 10+ years of global reserve currency status, after which, should we say that 'all hell breaks loose' (yankee colloquailism). This also smells of a major war perhaps on the near horizon.
ch.c
written by João da Silva, June 28, 2010

Sorry...sorry Joao....but....but....MORE THAN DOUBTFUL...IN VIEW OF THE ACTUAL GRAINS PRICES....COMPARED TO 2 YEARS AGO !


You don't have to apologize, ch.c. I merely stated " I READ that the farmlands appreciated by 685% over the past two years". I never said I believed what I read.smilies/wink.gifsmilies/cheesy.gif
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written by Jamesddd, June 29, 2010
When Brazilians get hot water in their showers on a regular basis then I'll consider them a world power.
Getting hot
written by Simpleton, June 29, 2010
No big trick to helping attain world power status by getting hot water in the shower on a regular basis dd. Just change the batteries in the instant gas fired aquecedor machine upon arrival. Best you bring your batteries with you though, the locally available ones are very expensive. You'll spend more on the batteries each month than the gas costs. It's either that or go totally electric with the shower head. Watch out for getting zapped being there's typically no safefy ground system strung anywhere on top of the electric costs being much higher (unless of course you rig up a "gata" so you don't pay anything at all).
Após uma tempestade em nossos bolsos virá uma chuva de dinheiro
written by Anderson FTS, June 29, 2010
Podem ter certeza, será um grande dinheiro que virá em dobro...
Pensem no comércio local das cidades que sediarão a copa, será uma cachoeira de dinheiro para o povo, um tipo de distribuição de renda em torno de um evento tão importante.
Em seguida virá as Olimpíadas, que irão trazer muitas coisas boas para o Rio, uem sabe até o desenvolvimento de toda a cidade, quem sabe.
Basta sonhar e pôr os planos na mesa para que possamos almejar um desenvolvimento patriota de nosso povo, coisa que pouco convivemos, aliás, só a cada quatro anos!
Abraços
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written by Reader, July 01, 2010
This will be a great time to be in Brazil. Its worth planning a visit to the Carioca city.

Some of us are already looking forward to this "Dream of a Lifetime" world cup in Rio will be.
asdasd
written by christian louboutin, April 28, 2011
buição de renda em torno de um evento tão importante.
Em seguida virá as Olimpíadas, que irão trazer muitas coisas boas para o Rio, uem sabe até o desenvolvimento de toda a cidade, quem sabe.
Basta sonhar e pôr os planos na mesa par
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