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Forget the Recession! Brazil's Credit Card Market Is Exploding PDF Print E-mail
2010 - July 2010
Written by Ruban Selvanayagam   
Monday, 19 July 2010 15:31

Brazil's credit card offeringsAs a result of higher disposable income levels, lower unemployment and a healthy banking system, the flow of credit cards into the Brazilian marketplace has been increasing rapidly, witnessing a 122 percent growth rate between 2004 and 2009 - a statistic that is expected to expand by 20 percent by the close of 2010 (representing 48 percent of gross domestic product). 

According to recent statistics by the Central Bank of Brazil, over half of the country's issued stock of credit cards was being used as at the close of 2009 - representing a total of 2.8 billion transactions. 

Indeed, the nations' thirst for credit is showing no signs of abating, with the major banking organizations all scaling up their future operations to meet the demand for increasingly sophisticated financial products.

Traditionally known as a country that relied little on borrowed money, consumers have not been put off by the high costs of credit, which have been driven by a comparatively higher national interest rate (SELIC) in addition to factors such as heavy tax burdens and lending organizations taking a cautious view on the inexperience of the market in Brazil. 

After some time, the major credit card companies have now come to view Brazil as a very important market, and increasing competition looks set to be the course for the future.  Banco do Brasil, for example, recently expanded its credit card business in a joint venture with private rival Bradesco. 

More institutions are set to follow suit, attracted to solid lending margins (with average returns on equity currently standing at 20 percent).  Reports have recently come to light that one of Brazil's largest bank's - Caixa Econômica Federal - also wants to offer a credit card to compete with the Visa and MasterCard brands, with a larger focus on the lower income groups. 

Whilst observers have been quick to comment on the risks of overzealous lending practices, particularly so soon after the global credit crisis, the banks have retorted by illustrating the various control and mitigation mechanisms that are instilled into their lending practices. 

Banking leaders are keen to stress that the effects on the credit crunch have by no means been underestimated by the Brazilian lending organizations and, even prior to the downturn, most have stated their intention to maintain long term, sustainable and healthy loan books. 

Regardless of how this may be interpreted, a number of legal obligations are also placed on the banking system including a recent raise in the amount of money that lenders must keep in reserve at the central bank to almost the same level as before the credit crunch. 

The minimum Basel Ratio of the Brazilian banking system is set at 11 percent, which is 3 percent higher than what is suggested in the Basel Accord. Most banks, in reality, operate much higher than this level (at over 17.5 percent) with low leverage ratios (over six times the level of their capital holdings). 

Brazil has also recently signed the revised future Basel stipulations resulting from reforms of financial markets across the world in a post economic crisis environment. 

Furthermore, measures such as the Cadastro Positivo (a system where borrowers who do not pay on time are listed in an entirely public and transparent manner) will help reduce default rates and encourage Brazil's banks to take controlled risks when increasing their loan books.  This, in turn, will also encourage increased competition between the banks which should facilitate better borrowing costs for consumers. 

Added to this are the practical benefits being implemented which will facilitate the ease of processing credit card transactions in Brazil's growing retail industry (examples of which include more streamlined point of sale terminals). 

Measures are also in place for the introduction of a new form of debit card aimed at not only encouraging more people to use banking services but also as a means to reduce the inconvenience of cash payments.

Read this author's interview with Brazil's leading credit agency - Serasa - looking into a range of issues including the country's ever-growing financial sector; differences compared to other parts of the world; Brazil's current economic behavior and its relationship with the credit industry; the growth of the credit market; availability of credit in the short, medium and long term; how Brazilian banks analyze loan applications amongst several other topics of discussion:
http://www.brazilinvestmentguide.com/blog/2010/07/the-credit-rating-system-of-brazil/ 

Ruban Selvanayagam is a Brazil Real Estate & Land Specialist.



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To Christ Cartesian (no nome de pai, filho e espirito santo)
written by wiseman, July 19, 2010
Herr Doktor, You are in good form! Definitely must be the french wine at the swimming pool along with some delightful 'foreign' company.

I read somewhere that about 22% of the Swiss population is foreign born. I would like to know how these foreigners contribute to Swiss society & if most of them are highly educated & with special skills.

Kindly enlighten me on this subject.

Amen!
To the UNWISEMAN !
written by ch.c, July 20, 2010
Cant you read...IDIOT ?
I answered you in details in my other threads !
Credits Cards in Brazil !
written by ch.c, July 20, 2010
Consume, consume, consume !
Especially knowing the overdrafts interests interests rate !

Wayyyyyyyyy above 100 % until proven otherwise.

Earlier your motto was Buy One, Pay 2 or 3 !
Your new motto is now Buy One, pay 4 or 5 !
Should I buy some brazilians banks shares, in your view ?




smilies/grin.gifsmilies/grin.gifsmilies/wink.gif
ch.c
written by João da Silva, July 20, 2010

Consume, consume, consume !
Especially knowing the overdrafts interests interests rate !

Wayyyyyyyyy above 100 % until proven otherwise.


Your customary words of wisdom, Komrad.smilies/wink.gifsmilies/cheesy.gifsmilies/grin.gif

But..But...But..., you failed to add one more sentence:

" Make hay while the sun shines and if you cant pay back your credit card loans in mid 2011, don't complain to me and poor João da Silva".smilies/wink.gif
To Christ Cartesian (no nome de pai, filho e espirito santo)
written by wiseman, July 20, 2010
Pardon me Herr Doktor, I am not too smart & have a reading disability. Which thread did you respond to me on?

I am just so curious to know how the 22% foreign born residents of Helvetia live & contribute to Helvetian society utopia.

Amen!
To Christ Cartesian
written by wiseman, July 20, 2010
A 1000 pardons Herr Doktor, I did find your response to my question in the thread - Brazil Might Soon Have a Female President But There Are Still Too Few Women in Politics

It's quite impressive & regarding energy trading I am quite aware of Vitol, Glencore, Traffigura, etc.

From a sociological perspective, what is Helvetia doing right to integrate so many legal & non legal foreign born residents. How much backlash is there against them by the locals. We did hear about the mosque minaret issue recently. Other than that, not much.

How does Helvetia retain her efficiency & progress with so many foreign born. For me, it's an interesting case study.

BTW, the Brasilian multinational Vicunha Textil (the world's largest denim maker) has her European Corp. center in Geneve.

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written by João da Silva, July 20, 2010

BTW, the Brasilian multinational Vicunha Textil (the world's largest denim maker) has her European Corp. center in Geneve.


Great news. But...But..., how is it going to help the Brasilian tax payers or the users of "Denim" ?
How doest it work?
written by adrianerik, July 20, 2010
I am still trying to understand how this credit card thing and "parceling" works. If a person buys, let's say, a microwave for three hundred reais and parcel the payments (without store interest) into ten payments, when the first payment is due will the store charge $30 reais to their card, which I assume will be against their credit limit.

If they pay that $30 reais that month, will the credit card company hit them with an interest payment?

And aside from the store's account receivables, is there anywhere else that the balance of $270 reais is held against the consumer.

Now, with some people I know, they are NOT paying that monthly parceled amount. And when you carry a balance on a Brazilian card, the interest is ridiculous increasing the balance by almost double in a few months. I know folks who are paying all that they have just to keep the amount manageable (based upon their salaries).
Adriaerik
written by João da Silva, July 20, 2010

I am still trying to understand how this credit card thing and "parceling" works.


Gee, Doc. A very interesting topic you came up with! Though I have been out of touch with Financial Maths for quite sometime, let me try to explain to ya (You can correct me and I wouldn't get offended.)

If a person buys, let's say, a microwave for three hundred reais and parcel the payments (without store interest) into ten payments, when the first payment is due will the store charge $30 reais to their card, which I assume will be against their credit limit.


a)When a person buys and charges to his credit card, the sales clerk inserts the card into the machine which is connected to the data bank of the credit card company, right? It checks if you have sufficient funds in the bank and if not how much credit limit you have (overdraft). The computer approves or rejects the purchase depending on the result.

b) The computer also verifies if your card is valid for the next 10 months (in the case you are citing). If not, rejects the purchase.

If they pay that $30 reais that month, will the credit card company hit them with an interest payment?


No way. You pay just R$30, but..but.. the shop owner gets just 96.5% of 30 reais from the credit card operator who deducts 3.5% as "financial expenses" or whatever buzz word that is in vogue. On top of this, they also charge an exorbitant monthly interest rate of around 15% from you, if you don't have sufficient funds to cover your purchase.

And aside from the store's account receivables, is there anywhere else that the balance of $270 reais is held against the consumer.


Yes. The credit card companies (these days the cards are issued by the banks where you have your checking account) also show the $270 as accounts receivables.

Now, with some people I know, they are NOT paying that monthly parceled amount.


Eventually they will have to pay one way or other. You see, nobody gets a credit card unless they have some tangible assets or a guaranteed monthly income.If they stop paying their names get into the "black list" and "numerous problems" arise.

Oh, BTW the price of R$300 includes all the financial charges and if you bring the 10 "parcelas" to the Present value at the monthly discount rate of 3.5%, the merchandise is worth about R$150! Try to ask for a discount of 50% at the store for cash payment and I don't have to explain the answer.smilies/cheesy.gifsmilies/grin.gif

A few months ago, I bought a product for R$130 in 10 monthly installments, using my credit card. My wife was shocked till I explained to her that I asked for a 10% discount for cash payment and the store refused and instead preferred payment in 10 "parcelas". So I happily accepted it. smilies/cheesy.gif
Wiseman "How much backlash is there against them by the locals*
written by ch.c, July 20, 2010
ALMOST NONE !
Simple as that.
Overall there is strong integration.
And do you really think that children/youths care about the color of their passports ? come on. Not over here for sure.
And for your information children from illegals are entitled and welcome to go to public schools.

And as to your "How does Helvetia retain her efficiency & progress with so many foreign born"
The answer is more than simple.
We are ranked World No 1 in competivity !
Check by yourself if you dont trust me.
But dont have a rigid view on the No 1.
Because eventually next year we may be ranked 2-4 or 5 !
As long as we stay at the top top that is fine.
Ahhhh....ahhhhh !

One word about Integration.
Over here we dont have let say the China town, Little Havana or Little Haiti or Harlem or the Bronx. Foreigners, illegals or not, are spreaded everywhere.
And there are subsidized housing everywhere, even in more wealthy areas !
Simple isnt it ?

As to Joao on Vicunha Textil "how is it going to help the Brasilian tax payers or the users of Denim ?"
My answer is POSITIVELY ! Exactly because of the LOWER TAX RATE and the additional efficiency !
Think about it, if you can.
If you disagree, then tell the company to have their European headquarter in France, Germany or elsewhere AND PAY A MUCH HIGHER TAX RATE and have less efficiency.
Or tell the company to pay a much higher tax rate OVER HERE, AT A RATE SIMILAR TO THE EU if you Joao or brazilians think it would be wiser ! The company would still get the benefits of OUR EFFICIENCY !

You are not very much minded Joao !!

Why do you believe that 500 (yess 500) Foreign companies set up their "shops" in Switzerland in 2008 and 2009 alone ?

If brazilians (or from elsewhere) companies enjoy HIGH TAXES AND LOWER EFFICIENCY, they are free not to chose their European HQ over here ! And their shareholders get LOWER PROFITS....BY DEFINITION !
And lower efficiencies too, meaning another reduction in profits...also by definition !!!!

Joao did you also got your SP university licence by buying a detergent pack ????

Hmmmmm !
Credit Card Trap
written by Simpleton, July 20, 2010
Adreinerik, I must profess I do not know how the credit terms for various stores and credit card issuers in our most favored nation operate. With not paying the minimum payment each month when due (or simply just misssing the date for payment by one day), credit terms will generally carry about 68 reals in charges each month such situation occurs and that is on top of the exorbitant additional interest charge on the outstanding balance. Having 600 turn into an obligation of 1200 takes very little time as you have noted. Interest rates (stated as a percentage on an annual basis) of 17.5, 20, 25 or whatever are common and apply in a daily componding maner. Parceling only delays the addition to whatever outstanding balance the idiot has on the card already (i.e. another 30 shows up on the principle balance due of the credit user the next month).

Charging either ten percent or even double the loan amount in the informal economy just for an overnight loan (the rate of return being dependant on what that cash made available was for) is typical. Idiots like me of course only accept return of the original capitol when loaning and always pay the requested "bonus" amount if per chance (very rare) that I was on the borrowing side of the transaction.

Only the lenders care what your capacity to possibly pay the capitol and interest back is. That's where consideration of your regular paycheck factors in. I don't care what the heck your salary is, paying credit card interest is absolutely ridiculus and missing due dates is a sign of someone who .... Countries, businesses and banks do such when they think they can beat the interest rate plus inflation plus (or minus) tax implications plus penalties with their benificial return on investment of the funds borrowed. (That or they are out right cheating and will never pay back like those who have stolen from the World Monetary Fund in the past.) It's a shell game at best (with advantage to the lender usually) but let's let Ch.c give us a better explanation of how all the besteira really works.
continued for the wiseman
written by ch.c, July 20, 2010
I forgot to say that over here

- public schools are very good. Most Swiss, even those who could afford sending their kids in private schools...DONT !
- FOR FOREIGNERS, puting their kids in private schools if they can afford is normal because it was normal in THEIR COUNTRY !

Do you understand what I mean ?

Over here, Universities are FREE ! Better yet, despite free, if the parents or students have purse difficulties lets say to feed, dress, paying transportation, etc, then they will get state subsisidies.
NON REIMBURSABLE since it is subsisidies not loans, contrary to America.

Good Education is a right for all children and a right for students having the adequate notations for higher education.
And it is an obligation of the society and its government leaders to provide good education to its society !
And believe it or not it is a good long term investment too for both the society and even for governments.
Better educated people will earn more, be more productive, thus will PAY more taxes and still be more COMPETITIVE !

A WIN WIN ECONOMIC MODEL !

But in America they prefer to spend the taxpayers money for wars, instead of having good public schools and FREE universities.
And also have mega discretionary government budgets to build a library here, a public park there, or a non needed road !

What is a Government DISCRETIONARY budget ?
A vote buying system.
Meaning...."vote for that law, and the President will agree to pay XXXXXX dollars for your non needed infrastructure"

I really underline NON NEEDED INFRASTRUCTURE, because the NEEDED INFRASTRUCTURES are paid with NON DISCRETIONARY BUDGETS...BY DEFINITION !

Simple as that !

Think about it.

Nothing of that sort over here.

I am quite sure that the Ohlala (Obama) Discretionary budget is exploding !
And so is his OFF BUDGET spendingssss ! Meaning "dont show every spending to the pro/con electors and taxpayers."


Ohhh my...ohhhh my !
Joao and your explanations on credits cards
written by ch.c, July 20, 2010
very interesting.
Let me RE-ask if you are 100 % sure that the price of the appliance shown at the vendor REALLY includes ALL THE CHARGES INCLUDING THE INTERESTS ????

Somewhat a curious "algorythm". But with the brazilian planet it could be different.

Because elsewhere on earth, to my knowledge, it is the price shown PLUS whatever interests, and NOT the price INCLUDING THE INTERESTS !

Thanks !

And on top of that I have more than my doubts the vendor makes his profits only from the 150 reais (real price as you stated) plus the 96,5 % of the 30 Real and nothing from the 3,5 % MONTHLY interests.

And are you telling us that the credit card cannot be charged if the expiration is 10 months or less ?
What/How do you do then during these 10 months ????


Thanks again !
continued for Joao and his credit cards explanations.
written by ch.c, July 21, 2010
the more I think about your explanations, the more I have doubts.
Because there were many articles in this site and in earlier years that specifically stated :

Those who have a real and registered job, can buy appliances, goods etc with credits, and the costs will be deducted DIRECTLY FROM THEIR SALARY !
Which created a lot of problems, since many workers, due to their buying spree on credits, also got a lot less take home pay since their salary (not credit card) was reduced by the amount they had to pay for their goods bought on credit + interests !

Please clarify.
Thanks
ch.c
written by João da Silva, July 21, 2010

Let me RE-ask if you are 100 % sure that the price of the appliance shown at the vendor REALLY includes ALL THE CHARGES INCLUDING THE INTERESTS ????


In most of the large departmental stores, the price includes everything like the federal and state taxes (IPI & ICMS respectively) and the interest rates for the credit cards. In general the price tag is very clear R$300 a vista (In cash) or 10 x 30 in cartão sem juros (credit card without interest). Some times you run into stores that sell in 3 installments without interest and 6-10 with a monthly interest rate of say 2.5%. You really don't expect the stores to pay the 3.5% to the credit card operator out of their pockets, do you?smilies/cheesy.gif

Some large Supermarket chains and Departmental stores also issue their own credit cards. In such case the the price is divided into longer monthly installments, say 10 installments against 6 in VISA. One has to go to the store every month to pay the installment in cash, check or using your debit card issued by your bankers.

And on top of that I have more than my doubts the vendor makes his profits only from the 150 reais (real price as you stated) plus the 96,5 % of the 30 Real and nothing from the 3,5 % MONTHLY interests.

Doesn't he make a hefty profit from the sales made of outright cash payment?

And are you telling us that the credit card cannot be charged if the expiration is 10 months or less ?
What/How do you do then during these 10 months ????


In such case, you pay in cash or issue 10 "cheques predatados" (pre dated checks) or you don't buy at all smilies/wink.gifsmilies/cheesy.gif Note: Pre dated checks and use of check books are vanishing customs in Brasil. The banks stipulate a minimum amount to be paid through check. For example, my bank stipulates a minimum amount of R$50 and if it is smaller than that there is an additional fee (I think it is R$2.50).

Those who have a real and registered job, can buy appliances, goods etc with credits, and the costs will be deducted DIRECTLY FROM THEIR SALARY !


That was a prevalent custom until 10-15 years ago, ch.c. These days, when a youngster gets his job in a company, he is asked to open an account with the bank where his employer has a/c and his salary is credited to his account. The bank issues a debit and (or) credit card and it is up to him to use it wisely for his purchases. The old custom may still exist in some small companies or few parts of the country, but to my knowledge, it is also vanishing.As for the "many articles" about this, the writers probably work for such enterprises.smilies/wink.gif

Please clarify.
Thanks


You are welcome, ch.c. BTW, I will ignore the comments you made about my getting a degree in a detergent pack. I am sick and tired of telling you that I am a simple peasant without any college degree and haven't found yet a detergent pack with one in it.smilies/cheesy.gif
To Christ Cartisean
written by wiseman, July 21, 2010
Thank you for your response. Very interesting the Helvetian model. I believe the US has a lot to learn from it. I especially agree 100% on your comments about good eduction for the young & to that I will also add decent affordable universal health care. For a '1st world' country, there does not even exist a decent public transport system across most of the country. For those cities that do have some, it is old & inefficient, no TGVs, ICEs or Shinkansens here.

Unfortunately, the elites would be to proud to admit so. The 'magic' of the military/security complex has cast too strong a spell!

This is why based on your economic comments about the US, which are mostly true, I queried you about what future you see for the U$. Also a declining Euro poses a huge problem for US agriculture & Industry, as a low Euro makes Deutche & Dutch exports super competitive.

So in retrorespect & based on your writings, the 2 largest countries in the Americas share many similar characteristics.........

As the Chinese say, we live in interesting times......

Finally, Brasilian interest rates are obscene & the next govt. has a task to fundamentally realign the tax & finance system. Many people will disagree with me, but I believe the 'iron lady' is best suited to this task. I was very impressed with her FT interview explaining the Pre-Sal framework.
http://www.ft.com/cms/s/0/75466e5a-9b96-11de-b214-00144feabdc0,s01=1.html

I am also concerned that Brasil is succumbing to the narcotic of Credit, which will do her injustice in the long run. Adoption of some good Confuscian values would help - production vs. consumption, savings vs. spending & yes an end to a sick over fascination with international brands by the elites & masses.
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written by João da Silva, July 21, 2010

Adoption of some good Confuscian values would help - production vs. consumption, savings vs. spending & yes an end to a sick over fascination with international brands by the elites & masses.


In 1991, then Chief Ruler of ours put an end to these idiotic "Confucian" values. Subsequent Rulers are also ensuring that such values do not corrupt the brains of the "masses". Elites do not care much about Confucius, even if they have heard about that fella.

Many people will disagree with me, but I believe the 'iron lady' is best suited to this task.


I am one of those "many people".smilies/smiley.gif
Joao da Silva
written by wiseman, July 21, 2010
Who in your valued opinion would be the best candidate (least evil)?
wiseman
written by João da Silva, July 21, 2010

Who in your valued opinion would be the best candidate (least evil)?


Considering that the choices are limited, theleast evil seems to be Marina, though she doesn't have a chance. I particularly do not sympathize with candidates who keep on talking about their real and imaginary sufferings under the past "regime" or the ones who try to ride on the coat tails of his/her political mentor. Your favorite "Iron Lady" seems to be one such.

BTW, you missed some good debate under the article written by our distinguished fellow blogger, Mr.Augustus Severus. In case you are interested, here is the link:

http://www.brazzil.com/article...ident.html
To Joao da Silva
written by wiseman, July 21, 2010
And the distinguished gentleman Sr. Serra? How do you view him?
wiseman
written by João da Silva, July 21, 2010

And the distinguished gentleman Sr. Serra? How do you view him?


I reserve my right to keep silent. Probably, our other distinguished fellow blogger and writer Mr.Ricardo Amaral would have something to say.smilies/wink.gifsmilies/cheesy.gifsmilies/grin.gif
...quite timly article by augustus....
written by asp, July 22, 2010
forgot to add that to the last phrase...you know, giddiness at being so right about this farc bulls**t

i guess the bruno case is a great smoke screen from reality

the son of raul mascarenhas, a monster sax player from rio, was run over in a tregic accident...my heart goes out to him , as the father
asp
written by João da Silva, July 22, 2010

quite timly article by augustus..


Think of the devil and there it blogs.smilies/cheesy.gif

I don't think that Augustus is aware that one of the Vice-Presidential candidates has confirmed what you have been writing for months.

It is a shame that our agent in Geneve is remaining "neutral" over this issue and instead opted to criticize our buddy Augustus.
...
written by Maurice, July 22, 2010
FedEx denies employees time off to attend their FATHERS' funeral.

Go to YouTube, search word: FedEx Inhumane Treatment.

...
written by João da Silva, July 22, 2010

FedEx denies employees time off to attend their FATHERS' funeral.


Maurice, you dude. When this company let a famous person like Tom Hanks marooned on a godforsaken island in the South Pacific for years, how else do you expect it to treat minions like you? So stop bugging us and go complain to your union. We Brasilans trust ECT more than FEDEX, DHL & similar courier services. BTW, USPS and Royal Mail aren't too bad, though they can improve their services under our guidance and for a fat consulting fees.Savvy?
Joao "That was a prevalent custom until 10-15 years ago, ch.c"
written by ch.c, July 22, 2010
SO WRONG !
Just scroll the news of this site.
Many articles written on that subject about 4-5 years ago, already during Robbing Hook reign.
Sorry sorry.

And to the wiseman on the USA. Quite a long subject, not worth talking for now.
Outside of this, also just for you to know that over here, the health care insurance is mandatory.
AND NOT CHEAP !
And if we cant afford, then we get a state subsidy.

In America, about 2-3 years ago when the mandatory health care insurance idea started to surface, many politicians said the USA should do something similar to....SWITZERLAND !

And recently you did something similar but still so far away oif what we do.
Your new law still EXCLUDES millions and millions of citizens.

Over here even ILLEGALS are entitled to FREE healthcare, even if they dont have a health insurance and obviously cannot get a subsidize because they are illegals, thus "legally" speaking are not entitled to a subsidize because they are not registered, so in a way are not even present...despite their presence, if you can catch the meaning of ILLEGAL !

What a shame in my view that a developed and wealthy nation such as the USA DOESNT PROVIDE FREE HEALTHCARE FOR ITS MOST UNDER PRIVILEDGED CITIZENS !
No doubt that the Sheriff of the World prefers to spend hundreds billions dollars YEARLY for wars instead of caring for the health care of their under priviledged citizens.

That is why we call you THE COW BOYS with your arrogance. You treat the world people, including your own, like cow boys handle their cows.
And you inject hormones growth to your cows, and then expect then world to eat your meats exports.
And for other foods you are not that much better. Just look at the hundreds of foods recalls you do yearly !
INCLUDING YOUR PET FOODS...OF COURSE !

AMERICA doesnt even know what EATING MEANS.
AMERICA knows how to FEED OR BE FED, NOT EATING OR EAT !
Results ? You became a society of BIBENDUMS !
40 % being OBESES, and a good 20 % on top being OVERWEIGHT....of course !
You should change the name of your country from America to AMERICA-LORIES OR AMERI-CALORIES !

smilies/grin.gif
ch.c
written by João da Silva, July 22, 2010

AMERICA doesnt even know what EATING MEANS.
AMERICA knows how to FEED OR BE FED, NOT EATING OR EAT !
Results ? You became a society of BIBENDUMS !
40 % being OBESES, and a good 20 % on top being OVERWEIGHT....of course !
You should change the name of your country from America to AMERICA-LORIES OR AMERI-CALORIES !


Excuse me, Mein Kamaraden. What makes you think Mr.Wisemann is an American?
ch.c
written by Peter King, July 22, 2010
What a shame in my view that a developed and wealthy nation such as the USA DOESNT PROVIDE FREE HEALTHCARE FOR ITS MOST UNDER PRIVILEDGED CITIZENS !


Well, dear Swiss sir, no one is turned away from emergency rooms and illegal aliens are the reason why hospitals and trauma center are shutting down in sanctuary cities.
I'm sure you are aware of the story of a former Canadian Prime Minister whose wife had to go to Atlanta for a surgery that she would have to have waited months for in that developed and wealthy country of Canada.
The current healthcare bill that was passed is nothing more than a banner for that disaster of a president of ours to hold up as an a accomplishment...but...but...it will add more to our deficits in the years to come as well as reduce the quality of care.
Perhaps these things are easier to implement and maintain in small countries of 7.8 million, but in a huge superpower of 300,000,000+ ?????? I've heard the British healthcare system is nothing to brag about.
I notice that you seem to enjoy denigrating the United States. I've read studies on the mentality of Anti-Americanism and please stop feeling guilty that we had to stand up for Europe in WWII. I've pointed out to you before that if we didn't hit the beaches on YOUR continent, there were definitive plans to take your homeland (See Operation Tannenbaum).

Again sir, you're welcome.
God bless.
To Peter King "no one is turned away from emergency rooms "
written by ch.c, July 23, 2010
Great !
And what about, for example, a back pain or a bronchite ?
No need for Emergency Room, in my view !

Ohhh and if the hospitals are crowded, then it would/should be time to build some new ones, by definition. Or extend the size of the existing ones !
This would create new jobs, no doubt !

And more healthy jobs, instead of spending 143 billion dollars yearly in Iraq and 64 billion yearly in Afghanistan !

Guaranteed Americabanana !

Here is a video with a sad truth comment from an American :

http://finance.yahoo.com/tech-...PY,DIA,XLE

And as the wiseman stated, WHAT A SHAME that America, a wealthy country doesnt even have yet a High Speed Train.

America motto ? Care for wars, not health care !
OR
Destroy people, not repair people !

Ohhh my, ohh my !

And this is teached from the society education, not necessarily in schools !
Just look at your addiction of Wars & Violent Games in Play Station boxes and the likes in PCs !
Dont be then surprised that a student loses his mind and then kills several tens of his colleagues students !
Or a soldier does the same, as happened recently !

Hmmmm....hmmmmm !
asp
written by João da Silva, July 23, 2010

In case you haven't read the latest news:

http://www.estadao.com.br/esta...4976,0.php

Strange coincidence.I wonder what the good Col has really in mind.
ch.c
written by João da Silva, July 23, 2010

SO WRONG !
Just scroll the news of this site.


I don't have to scroll or crawl over this site to convince myself that I am WRONG. You forget that I live and do most of my shopping in this country with or without credit cards.smilies/cheesy.gif

Now, I am very curious to know your version of "Operation Tannenbaum" and the real reasons for Herr.Hitler not implementing it.smilies/wink.gif
joao
written by asp, July 23, 2010
i had linced an article reguarding this, and, also said brazzil dot com is serving up tea crumpets with coha (one got in to augustus's article also)...

and it went through and i followed up with the statement about the timly article by augustus , and, i checked in later and.....

it was cut out.....

i guess 1,500 marxist colombian guerillas holed up in venezuela and contributing to huge drug traficing operations into the amazon of brazil and bahia (ive brought in the proof before) is a part of his bolivian revolution....

and, i sure hope brazzil dot com will bring some article about this relevant information that definitly has a daily affect on our lives living in brazil...the crime where we live is starting to resemble porto allegre....
Joao da Silva, ch.c, Peter King
written by Hugo C, July 23, 2010
Now, I am very curious to know your version of "Operation Tannenbaum" and the real reasons for Herr.Hitler not implementing it.


Yes Joao. The American invasion on D-Day was a huge distraction for Hitler but this probably is the greatest reason:

-Switzerland eventually contributed to the German war effort selling industrialized goods such as bearing balls and parts to torpedo guidance systems, manufactured in facilities that could not be bombed by the Allies due to the country neutrality status.
The Swiss were cowards and ended up aligning with side they were hoping would not roll over them, not the side that would eventually guarantee their freedom to stay neutral (as opposed to conquered).
ch.c
written by Peter King, July 23, 2010
Dear sir,

Excellent link to Yahoo business and I completely agree with everything except the point on Afghanistan. I do not expect you to understand the perspective of the United States regarding terrorism and safe havens for terrorists but I can appreciate your opinion regarding the gravity of the human and economic toll.

America motto ? Care for wars, not health care !
OR
Destroy people, not repair people !


Regarding your admirable concern for the disadvantaged here, I would offer you this....... http://www.freeclinics.us/index.php

We are compassionate people and we really do care. We may go about things differently but I would hope you would agree that we do more good than the consequences of our actions may appear in the short term.
For example. The use of nuclear weapons against Japan was a horrific event but let us look at the consequences of not doing so.
The projected loss of 250,000 brave men invading Japan because they refused to surrender.
An existing Imperialist Japan given years to reconstitute their might and intentions.
Who would have imagined that Japan would now be one of the United States' strongest allies?
Who would have thunk that Germany would be one of the United States' strongest allies where we still have bases to this day?
Dear sir, I believe history will be the greatest judge and it will be a lot more positive than yours.

God bless.

By the way, I like you and I rather enjoy how Mr. da Silva jumps to your aid smilies/cheesy.gif....
and the REAL reasons for Herr.Hitler not implementing it?
Marvelous.
Hugo C
written by Peter King, July 23, 2010
The Swiss were cowards....


Quite harsh sir! Although I agree with your premise, I do take issue with the characterization. As I once stated, in certain cultures, it is essential to consciously or sub-consciously resent the people who stand up to the "bully" that you refuse to stand up to. Whether voluntary or not.
I was very impressed with her FT interview
written by ch.c, July 24, 2010
So were Gringos during Ohhhhlala (Obama) presidential campaign !!!!
Thus you have NOW what you wanted !
You should be happy. As much as when you elected and re-elected Bush or the predecessors. SIMPLE AS THAT !
Critizising your elected people is in fact criticizing YOUR CHOICE, until proven otherwise.
I always laugh at people who were harshly critizing BUSH at the end of his second term, when at least for his second term he was acclaimed overwhimgly !!!!
Sure...you got more more more more more EASY credits available !

And about WWII
- Sorry sorry but at least the millions of jews who died in gaz chambers WERE NOT put in the wagons from OUR COUNTRY !
Look elsewhere.
- And with the 2 atomic bombs in Japan, welll what are Gringos going to do in Afghanistan ? They too have not surrendered ! And funnily the Afghan invasion from the Gringos is already MORE YEARS than when they came to Europe !!!!!
- And you have just proven my case. America has the right to develop and use nuclears armaments, not the others ! But you do this trick also in other things. The World has to use the GAAP accounting otherwise it is not accepted by the Gringos.
Reality being that a 1000 nuclear heads exploded in your own country.
Just look at the Wealth Destruction in your Real Estate....for example !
What a great AUTO-GOOOOOOOOOAAAAAALLLLLLLLLL ! Ohhh my...ohhh my !
Better to buy after the nuclear heads exploded than when you filled them with TOXIC DEBTS !
And believe it or not nothing has changed much !
Banks still have TENS AND TENS trillions and trillions of dollars in OFF BALANCE SHEETS !
What is an OFF BALANCE SHEET ? Welll something that must be hidden, NOT shown ! Simple as that !


ME TOO, and tens millions other individuals have off balance sheets accounts...to avoid the look of our governments TAXES ! Hmmmm....hmmmm ! smilies/grin.gif

And the american government too has mega mega huge OFF BALANCE SHEETS ACCOUNTS ! ALL mega mega IN THE RED !

The DIFFERENCE ? HUGE !
Our off balance sheets are net positive. NOT YOUR BANKS ! AND NOT YOUR GOVERNMENT EITHER !
Keep counting your seized banks. Already 100 so far this year as of yesterday ! 140 in 2009, 40 in 2008 !
Not including the zombie mega financials companies such as AIG,Freddie Mac and Fannie Mae for example.
The last two getting UNLIMITED support from the FED !

Ahhhhh....ahhhhhhh !

Ohhh and a word on Operation Tannenbaum.
You are ALL idiots because You dont even know the basis of what the reasons were !
Here they are, not from my writings !
The background starts as
"Even before the outbreak of war, Switzerland had every reason to expect invasion. After Adolf Hitler came to power in 1933, he made overtures towards the various Nazi-leaning organizations in German-speaking countries, particularly Austria and Switzerland....."

Feel free to continue your basic education
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Tannenbaum

Last but not least :
IT IS VERY EASY to finger point someone !
But could ONCE JUST ONCE North America and South America spell
out clearly where went in exiles the nazis to avoid prosecution ?????
Most went to Americas, North or South. But not necessarily to avoid prosecution.
VON BRAUN and many many others in USA for example.
And they were welcomed arms wide open, and never ever in a justice court...for sure ! And they were not illegals residents and hiding...by the way !

STOP finger pointing of what someone did or did not do 50 years ago, without finger pointing too what you did or not !

Otherwise I may as well say that Brazil doesnt NOT EXIST !
NOT EVEN THE USA...BY THE WAY !!!!!
And your ancestrors, not Indians, invaded YOUR ACTUAL country !
And just look how Brazilians and Gringos treat their indians !

YOUR COMMON SENSE ANALYSIS IS RATHER MORE THAN LIMITED !
Both of you are like Serial Criminals criticizing Petty Thefts, until proven otherwise.
And your governments do exactly the same time and again, by the way !
Your governments pretend to be against corruption but do little to reduce corruption, until proven othwerwise !
Your corrupted politicians are even allowed to be candidates again !
Just read what is happening in the USA, or better yet in BRAZIL !

continued
written by ch.c, July 24, 2010
Idiots always see things in 2-3 dimensions.
Smart people in 12-20 dimensions.

This is what differs you and me fundamentally !
And guess who the winner was, is and will remain ?
Welll just look at the GDP per capita using 1 common currency for fair comparisons. feel free to chose whatever common currency you decide, or even against gold. It wont change ONE decimal anyway !

And look at the many other rankings available of Your choice too !
And come back on this forum with your findings and rankings !
All of us are only better or worse...against the other ones !
And looking at the long term historical trend is so much better than the 1-3-5 years trend !
5 years in a country life is far less than a 6 months in a human life !

Just look at the brazilian currency having lost 12 zeroes over the course of 70 years against the US$ and the dollar itself having lost 75 % over the last 40 years against the Swiss Francs.
And despite this, America still has a trade DEFICIT against Switzerland !
And Brazil finally having a trade surplus with America.
And this trade surplus thanks to America investments, technologies and lending...by the way !

And to close my tit and tat, I have a secret to reveal to ALL brazilians, namely......dont you think that foreign companies or foreign individual investors investing in Brazil, overall, make far more PROFITS than the junkies you are ??????

Your brains against our brains !
Your technology against our technology !
And on money ? You have almost none ! Thus we are quite willing to lend you our money provided you pay us a more than generous interests rates.
But we are certainly less demanding than the rates of your local lenders !
Enjoy your available new credits. Lenders,....locals or not ENJOY TOO !
As I said a few times, over here the motto is buy 2 pay 1 !In Brazil, the motto is buy 1 pay 2 !
And the recent America motto was and still is.... Buy 3 but with perpetual credits !


Laughs...laughs....laughs...laughs !

And Switzerland never ever needed a bail out such as Brazil.
and America lives by forcing foreign Central Banks countries to swallow the America massive DEFICITS, on trade and budgets.
Which in a clear way is a BAIL OUT, but other words are used to hide the simple truth...of course...when knowing America the cheaters and hiders !
It is a little bit too easy to just print money and then import physical GOODS made from workers not printers !

But dont worry over here we are accustomed to play against everyone, including America !
And we win ALL THE TIME !
For us, overall, we like COMPETITION ! And we are not so bad. we are ranked World FIRST in competivity despite our secular strong currency.
The USA have been ranked second, right, but with a SECULAR declining currency !
Just imagine the competivity differential if the Swiss Francs would go down ONLY by 30 percent. Meaning the US$ goes up not by 30 % as so many idiots would be certain but by 43 % !

Yesss yesss 43 % !
Because if something goes down by let say 50 % against "something", then the "something" DOUBLED !

Laughs...laughs...laughs !

Over here WE NEED NO ONE TO HELP US !
AND I NEED NO ONE TO HELP ME EITHER ! Not even a state subsidy !

And over here we provide about 150'000 full time registered and legal jobs IN SWITZERLAND, not to foreigners residing in our country, but to our neighbours countries residents residing in their countries !
They come in my country every morning and leave every end of day !
This does not take in account the foreigners residing legally here, 22 % OF THE POPULATION JUST A REMINDER, or the many illegals to whom we also provide MORE THAN DECENT SALARIES CONTRARY TO THE ILLEGALS WORKERS IN BRAZIL AND THE USA !

And our success is exactly what irritates our neigbours and detractors !
IN TWO WORDS ....JEALOUSY & ENVY !
Losers are always jealous and full of envy against those more successful but wont express it openly. Thus losers find other arguments to make appear their critics appropriate ande justified !
Just re-read the endless critics of Robbing Hook toward America or the developed nations !


You know what ? I HAVE PAIN IN MY STOMACH, SO MUCH I LAUGH !
Nearly falling off my chair !
Peter King
written by João da Silva, July 24, 2010

By the way, I like you and I rather enjoy how Mr. da Silva jumps to your aid


Your Majesty, someone has to keep our Swiss ally in check, lest he gets out of control.smilies/wink.gif But...but...but...I see he has counterattacked you and Col.Hugo C in his latest posts.smilies/sad.gifsmilies/shocked.gif
And to His Majesty The King of Idiots.....
written by ch.c, July 24, 2010
Was it not you who stated above that for...High Speed Trains it is easier for a smaller population ?
Welll it is exactly the opposite !
Do you think that a small convenience store is price competitive to Wal Mart...for example ?????
You just pretended YESSS !!!!!!
Proof that you are truly a Majestic IDIOT !

Better yet, you are so idiot, that you havent realized yet that the TGV is all over Europe, and we are part of the grid.

Ohhhh and Europe is about the same size and the same GDP than the USA. And we have the High Speed Train, NOT AMERICA !


America administrations prefer so much spending money on armaments and then deploying and testing these armaments the World Over so they can also consume them there, speeding up the renewals !
And this instead of repairing, maintaining, extending, or building new and better infrastructures.

Because lets face it, your roads, hospitals, rails and airports are not going in the right way, but somehow a little bit worse and worse over the years.
Sure if you spend the money elswhere, and have mega discretionary budgets used for vote buying.

And finally let me tell you this :
America infrastructure is 2nd class when compared with the EU.
And third class when compared with Switzerland.

That is why I have stated more than once here that.... The USA are The World Best and most advanced EMERGING NATION !!!

Ask Joao if you dont trust me, His Majesty King of the Idiots !
By the way are you a Redneck or a Triple Cheeseburger Belly.
I would not be surprised that you are a mixture of both.
Redneck from origin and childhood and became a Triple Cheeseburger Belly !
Be careful, should you invade some African countries you may end up a slow roast or slow cooked for the fat !
What a defeat and humiliation in Somalia already !
Glad for you the muslims dont eat Gringos meats and fats.

And a defeat and humilitiation is already reality in both Iraq and Afghanistan !

As an afghan said recently to America "You have the watch, we have the time"

Quite similar to Vietnam, if you have a short memory !!!!!
Your massive killings, bombings and burning with napalm bombs, just made you even more humiliated.

Also somewhat humiliating that as of today, You are still legally and officially at war with North Korea, not even having signed a peace treaty.

Ohhhh my...ohhh my...!

Dont be surprised that there are so many ressentments in the world against the USA ! From Asia, to Middle East, to South Africa and even Africa !

Last but not least :
if you really hunt Bin Laden as you pretend, suffice to ask 100 secretaries of Google and have them look at a Google Earth using your live military satelites !
I bet he would located in less than 6 months !
And so much cheaper than your fluffy army there.


Laughs...laughs....laughs !
correcting
written by ch.c, July 24, 2010
read

Dont be surprised that there are so many ressentments in the world against the USA ! From Asia, to Middle East, to South America and even Africa !
Joao "lest he gets out of control."
written by ch.c, July 24, 2010
So true !
I cant control my laughs anymore as stated above !


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To his majesty King
written by wiseman, July 24, 2010
The Russians bore the brunt of WW2.

Germany & Japan are still 'occupied' countries with numerous US military bases. They have no choice in being 'allies'. Just ask the good folks in Weisbaden or Okinawa.

'The projected loss of 250,000 BRAVE MEN invading Japan'
To justify horrifically murdering the same # or more of innocent Japenese civilians, with the attendant generations of birth defects & cancers. That sir, is very SICK logic.
Same story in Vietnam (agent orange) & Iraq/AfPak (depleted uranium).

Germany is a country of 90 million & has a world class health care system. This can be extended to France, Holland, Austria, Switzerland & Scandinavia. It is the anglo-saxon health care models in their various flavors that are deficient.

Deficits caused by social spending can be easily offset by reining in the out of control military/security complex & a hegemonic foreign policy.
http://feeds.bignewsnetwork.com/?sid=663706

Finally, aquestion for our times, who is the real bully?
To Joao
written by wiseman, July 24, 2010
Interesting your comment about 'Royal Mail', which is really more like 'Royal FAIL'. My experiences with the englander public services - an atrocious nightmare!

I avoid heathrow/london airport like the plague. Much prefer Frankfurt or Zurich - clean efficient, courteous, modern. From Frankfurt I can get an ICE or InterCity train to any point in Europe.
To Hugo
written by wiseman, July 24, 2010
The Swiss are not cowards. This is essentially a value judgement. They are practical pragmatic realists. It has enabled them to avoid war since the formation of Confederation Helvetia 300 + years ago. Quoting Sun Tzu on 'The Art of War' - if you have to go to war, you have already lost.

The Swiss civil defense system is outstanding. It would require an aggressor to field a 1/2 million person armed force to invade, occupy & pacify the country. No aggressor from yesterday's or today's world can bear the price. This may be 1 reason operation Tannenbaum did not fly.
To ASP
written by wiseman, July 24, 2010
I truly empathize with your strong concerns & feelings regarding the criminal FARC.

IMHO, if narcotics were legalized & heavily taxed by the world's largest consumer countries (the US being the largest), it would take away the financial incentive & break these cartels' 'rason de teur'. The city of Oakland, California is now considering this for mariujana class narcotics - a 1st step.

Drug addicts s/b treated in a medical way & not a criminal way. This is a worldwide problem which became greatly magnified during the 'benign ruler' Reagan's time when he started the 'war on drugs'. All it did over the years was create a huge, inefficient, corrupt, militarized bureaucracy.

I just read in this blog that the Brasilian govt. is using a UAV to monitor the Paraguay border. They need alot more UAVs' given the country's size, better co-ordination between the PF & local law enforcement, along with legalizing & taxing narcotics. Addicts (usually from the underclass) are already being channeled thru the public health system to be dealt with in a medical way.

As regards to the PT & FARC, etc. who's to know the real story. Bear in mind that the Brasilian media is owned by a few wealthy families & tends to have a 'right wing' bais, somewhat akin to Rupert Murdock, etc. in the US.
To CH.c.
written by wiseman, July 24, 2010
The more I read your comments (with which I agree 90% of the time), the more it proves my theory, in summary, that Brasil & the US are 2 sides of the same coin (albeit with their own unique twists & turns). Having said that, I do enjoy the good things offered by both countries, as I do with Europe, & leave the bad stuff for the policy wonks to figure out!

You & I dont get paid to solve the world's problems - a cynical comment but true smilies/grin.gif
To All
written by wiseman, July 24, 2010
I worked overtime here today smilies/cheesy.gifsmilies/cheesy.gif

No intention to rub anyone the wrong way.......
Drug Trade
written by adrianerik, July 24, 2010
I think that it's really important to separate the reality of the drug trade from who is controlling it.

The drug cartels who developed the drug trade in Columbia will exist regardless of who is in control of the area in which they operate. Thge right-wing militias and left-wing both have financially benefited when they were in charge of drug areas. To challenge the drug cartels is to open up another unnecessary front in their war. Even the government knows that long-standing issues of inequality have to be dealt with to deal with drugs at it roots.
about the bulls**t farc
written by asp, July 24, 2010
the right wing malicias deal with more sending it north and the farc is more involved with sending it through brazil.

anybody who has been following this since fernando beira mar got busted with farc in the early 2000's , along with another brazilian crony , who recently just got busted again , with a huge tracficing scheme in middle brazil , tied to farc , understands how deep the farc has their tentacles involved in the absolute flood of cocaine and crack into brazil ...

along with that, they have ties with the pcc, the largest gang in sao paulo, and, were tied with another major bust in the bahia and amazon area with one major traficar linced with coke coming in from colombian rebels from venezuala...

just google up fernando beira mar, or the pcc,with the farc and you will get page after page of proof of a major hookup...

i have never ever said they were the only players in the coke , crack game...hell, some of the biggest crack dealiers in the world were busted and have houses where i live, but, they dont deal with the flood coming into brazil, they deal with the flood going north, and they do do business with the farc...but the farc are major players in the flodd coming in from brazil. sure there are bolivians and paraguainians in there, and you can beleive farc has ties to a certain percentage of those deals also...

so what is astonishing to me is, ive watched this cocaine crack thing grow into a hidious devastating blight on brazil and its people,yet people shove it under the rug , refuse to look at the truth of the source of this crack and cocaine and of this chavez farc hookup and the real meaning it has for brazil.instead our attention is drawn on american military in colombian bases and the suposed impending invasion of south america by the usa.....what bulls**t

just in the last 10 years since the beira mar bust with the farc, the growth has been unrelenting and contributing very deeply to the decay of certain parts of brazilian society. not just the big cities, even in little cities all over the country, crack cocaine and violence that goes with it are up in a big way. treatment centers for crack addicts are overwelmed with problems from so many new crack addicts. this is documented fact.

anyone who has real sympathy for the underprivleged in brazil could only look at the devastating footage of rio recently with hundreds of mostly black crack addicts out on the tracks in the suburbs in a bizzare cluster of zombies looking for a hit that i have never seen from rio before, and ive seen a lot in rio..

so sure, legalise marijuana, i agree with that, get to the problems that are at the root of poverty in brazils society , i agree with that...

but dont fool yourself, crack and cocaine is a million dollar business a day in a city like rio,its going to take a whole lot more looking at cutting off the hypocricy , corruption and getting to the sources of this cocaine crack dealing...and the farc is one of the sources

and crack cocaine is one huge problem facing brazil and needs to be addressed...
To ASP
written by wiseman, July 24, 2010
So given the complexities of the situation, how would you like to see the farc & crack/coke issue dealt with in Brasil. Do you think any of the candidates & their parties have the moxy to address the issue, given the urgency?

Here is a good book I suggest you read:
http://www.oup.com/us/catalog/general/subject/Sociology/SocialProblems/~~/dmlldz11c2EmY2k9OTc4MDE5NTM2ODM2OQ==
To CH.c.
written by wiseman, July 24, 2010
Actually I agree with you 80% of the time (based on some Cartisean weighted averages)

Helvetia - 100% x .33 = 33
USA - 85% x .33 = 28
Brasil - 55% x .34 = 19
Wtd Avg - 80%
To Adrianerik
written by wiseman, July 24, 2010
You make a good point - 'To challenge the drug cartels is to open up another unnecessary front in their war'

To use Cartisean terminology, the idiot Calderon of Mexico is finding this out the very hard way. Surely he could have implemented a better more effective strategy. In his zeal to 'Uribeize' (encouraged by his masters to the north), he completely missed the point that the Mexican & Colombian dynamic are quite different.
wiseman
written by João da Silva, July 24, 2010

Herr. Wisemann.I just want to remind you that our Swiss ally doesn't tolerate inconsistencies in the statements made by the bloggers. Please re-read your statements:

First you said:

The more I read your comments (with which I agree 90% of the time)


90%

Then you said:

Actually I agree with you 80% of the time


80%

I think in your next comments, the percentage will come farther down and end up in 0% or less. Unacceptable even by our standards.

As for your comment addressed to ASP:

Here is a good book I suggest you read:
http://www.oup.com/us/catalog/general/subject/Sociology/SocialProblems/~~/dmlldz11c2EmY2k9OTc4MDE5NTM2ODM2OQ==


ASP doesn't need to read any books. He is very streetwise and gets his data from the folks he cares about, even though he is an American. BTW, he is a close friend of ch.c.smilies/smiley.gifsmilies/wink.gifsmilies/cheesy.gif

P.S to ch.c: Would you mind stop harassing our rookie blogger Peter King? He sounds like our buddies Forrest and Lloyd. smilies/smiley.gifsmilies/wink.gifsmilies/cheesy.gif
To Joao
written by wiseman, July 24, 2010
It is not about inconsistency, it is about accuracy. smilies/cheesy.gif
The Swiss civil defense system is outstanding. It would require an aggressor to field a 1/2 million person armed force to invade, occupy & pacify the country
written by ch.c, July 25, 2010
Ahhhh....ahhhh !
What most of you dont even know is this :
- our bridges, tunnels were filled with dynamite
- had we been invaded, the message was dont fight, have all bridges amd tunnels explode.
- And go to the mountains.
- Mountains ? OF COURSE ! We built vast tunnels INSIDE the mountains, with rails, and installed heavy artilleries for shooting tanks, trucks, airplanes. These cannons and artilleries could be moved from one side of the mountain to the other due to the installed rails.
- We even built AIRPORTS INSIDE THE MOUNTAINS, with take off lanes !

- Our pilots were trained to be the world best in those days. Yesss they were trained to be seen by the invaders planes, then to attract them in the difficult valleys of our mountains.
With the message of "follow me...follow me" !
And...and...and....have them crash against the wall of our mountains OR BE shot down from our artilleries INSIDE THE MOUNTAINS !!!!

We built hundreds kilometers of these large tunnels inside our mountains. Even built some hydro plants INSIDE THE MOUNTAINS. To produce electricity for the tunnels but also for tzhe villavges in the valleys. At least no one could have destructed these power plants with air bombings !

That is why by the way we say our mountains are like Emmenthal cheese !

The simple strategy was.....IT WOULD COST SO MUCH TO THE EVENTUAL INVADER THAT...IT WOULD NOT BE WORTH IT !

More simple there is NOT !

Ohhhh and by the same token, ALL new construction buildings, commercial and residential, and even houses had to be built with A BUNKER ! At the expense of the owner, not from the armx or government budgets or subsidy. Be it in cities or villages. Bunkers all with beds,blankets, foods, water, gaz masks, pharma goods, some with clinics ready for surgeries if needed. And that was to protect the population, not the army, in case of bombings or custard gaz !
But we also built community bunkers, for those unable to protect themselves. Because only new construction had to be built with a bunker, not the existing ones !!!

And to keep smiling, let me tell you that our biscuits army were as tough as bricks. Soldiers did not like them, unless hungry. But I remember, despite it was after the war, my dad gave us these biscuits when returning from his mandatory yearly courses, WE THE CHILDREN LOVED THEM !

And believe it or not, MY own children LOVED THEM TOO !

Their shelves life was 20 or 25 years I dont recall !smilies/grin.gifsmilies/grin.gifsmilies/grin.gif

And last but not least, what do you really think was the IDEA (MODERNIZED) of the movie with Tom Cruise TOP GUN ?????
Welll, simply the Swiss pilots in the Swiss Mountains !
wiseman....
written by asp, July 25, 2010
i dont know the best solution...but, i do feel looking at the truth of what is happening is surly one key.not addressing that there are daily crack busts where i live and routine murders because of crack dealing certainly makes the situation just fester.not understanding that groups like farc have support from chavez and that they are dealing big time with brazils largest drug gangs and dealers that have seeped into every nook and cranny in brazil only makes the situation worse and worse.

its obvious that in this 10 year period, that a huge distribution network has been steadily built. and farc is very deeply invovled.

does anyone think that if venezuala,bolivia, brazil and equador werent united in confronting farc and cocaine dealers crossing the borders, they couldnt seriusly contain this distribution network ?

that just points out the blatent hypocracy and silliness to the whole area.

and sure, legalise marijuana , and solve huge budget deficits from tazes, totaly jump start the world economy, god the drug is harmless ....and, what i would say about coke is, it does damage the brain so you cant legalise refined coke. but you can work the leaf into legalisation. if peolple could buy a soft drink make out of the coco leaf, it could difuse some of the urge by young people to try the refined powder that can do the damage to the brain...

they could make it perscription oriented with a doctors observation and very regulated , for sure, alcohol and ciggarettes are far worse on the health and it is legal.

hell, these coke addicts need to know they can get a much deeper buzz from red bull, viagra and hot sauce...

but, i say, as long as society all over the world makes drugs like marijuana illegal and dont really address the coke problem , they deserve to be in the situation we are right now.

i sure dont say invade venezuela and go after chavez, i just say everyone should just know the truth about the situation...but, it sure is swept under the rug in general media coverage in south america, so people are much more outraged by american military in colombian bases while i watch daily crack bust reports in my small city.

ahhhh you know me too well, joao....i do have the word from the street...
"seeped into every nook and cranny in brazil..."
written by asp, July 25, 2010
i mean the distribution network not farc itself (although there is prood they have come into brazil also, in the amazon, but, not on a large scale)...

its important to not give the impresion i am paranoid about farc and communism

i just want the truth

i dont think farc is infiltrating brazil trying to turn it communist, i just think they arnt the freedom fighters and socialist revolutionaries they claim to be...they are just thug drug and arms dealers who also kidnap people for ransom...they just want the money ....and represent the real "bolivian revolution" chavez is talking about....a bunch of scum bag drug and arms dealers...

people always argue for some strange reason "oh , the cia and colombia military have been fighting farc for 50 years and cant defeat them , why throw money or policies etc...."

how the goddamn f**k hell can you eradicate them when venezuela and equador allow them to set up permanent summer camps to regroup and plan for attacks ?

.....doh......
ch.c
written by João da Silva, July 25, 2010

A very interesting essay on the Swiss defense system.

On a serious note: Does the system of tunnels, bunkers, etc; still exist and get periodically upgraded?

On a less serious note: Since your army biscuits have a validity period of 25 years, NATO forces in Afghanistan must be buying and stocking them up in large quantities. Another high quality Value Added Product Made in Switzerland, contributing to the world peace.smilies/cheesy.gifsmilies/wink.gif
To ASP
written by wiseman, July 25, 2010
You make some good points. The issue now is which political party in Brasil has the concerted Will to do this.

FYI, the coke/crack issue is a huge problem here in the US too. The corporate controlled media doesnt really talk about this & the general population has become too desensitized to it. BTW, the US/Mexico border region is slowly turning into a 'war' zone.
To CH.c.
written by wiseman, July 25, 2010
Yes I am fully aware of the Swiss defence infrastructure & that companies like Oerlikon/Rheinmetall, etc. make some worldclass defence equipment. Pity the Brasilian govt. is not making a 'strategic alliances' with some of these Swiss companies. Similar hi-calibre companies can also be found in Germany, Austria, Sweden & Northern Italy.

BTW, it may just be that the Persians are incorporating many elements of the Swiss defence infrastructure, but at a slightly lower tech level. As you know, most of Persia is mountainous or high desert, with small plains & marsh regions only along the Gulf, which itself could be turned into a tinderbox for large naval craft. This maybe 1 reason the US & Israel have not attacked the country 'yet', although they have been talking about it now for quite a while - the cost would be just too HIGH!, not to mention the negative impact on the global economy.........
To Joao
written by wiseman, July 25, 2010
'On a less serious note: Since your army biscuits have a validity period of 25 years, NATO forces in Afghanistan must be buying and stocking them up in large quantities'

Yes, & eating them dipped in the local heroin sauce - yummy. How do you think these guys 'surge'! smilies/grin.gifsmilies/cheesy.gifsmilies/grin.gif
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written by Ederson, July 25, 2010
It would take an army of at least half a million to take Switzerland? Gee, isn't that a small army when compared to historic European war-time standards, especially that of Switzerland's most likely invader, Germany?

Tunnels, underground bunkers? Oh, yes! The old French secret for success, reference the Maginot line. Help me, but can anyone, anywhere, name one system of underground defensive measures that worked against an attacker since the American Civil War?

Germany's pilots are so stupid that the Swiss can lead them into one-way canyons or whatever and they will just blindly follow and crash into the mountains?

The American movie, Top Gun, was about Swiss fighter pilots?

I've heard enough.smilies/wink.gif
About our tunnels in the mountains
written by ch.c, July 25, 2010
Sure they still exist.
Noooo, no upgrades.


And to Ederson...on french bunkers !

NOOOOO
They had bunkers for the ARMY.
I am talking about bunkers built to protect the POPULATION !
Not the same at all.

Last but not least about Afghanistan.
Have you seen the latest news ?
http://noir.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601010&sid=ahChvy4JglS4

You are in such a mess there !
Everyone is taking you for a ride !
Ahhhh....ahhhhh !

Ohhhhh Ederson, what are you going to do in Afghanistan with your latest armaments, bombs and hundreds of billions dollars already spent ?
There was nothing to destroy because it was already destroyed by the Talibans, Russians and tribes wars BEFORE YOU INVADED THE COUNTRY !


And as you can see, YOU HAVE STILL NOT WON after 9 years !!!!!

So you can see that a POWERFUL ARMY against a small army and many resistants....and and and the big army LOSES !!!!!
This was in reference to your certainty that Germany would have won had they invaded us.

Ahhhhh....ahhhhh....ahhhhhhhh !

Ohhh and had America won in Somalia ? NOOOOOOOO......JUST HUMILIATED !
Had America won in Vietnam ????? NOOOOO.....JUST HUMILIATED !

Just a few proofs that you dont even know what you are talking about...IDIOT !

Not even Goliath won against David, if I am not wrong !!!!!

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Hi ch,c.
written by Ederson, July 26, 2010
I've really been busy lately, but I still enjoy your rants.smilies/wink.gif

To King
written by wiseman, July 26, 2010
This is the public transport we now contend with, despite being a 'wealthy' country.
Rather 3rd worldish, dont you think....
http://feeds.bignewsnetwork.com/?sid=664160
Hmmm....Somalia?
written by adrianerik, July 26, 2010
@ch.c -- While I am not one to defend all of America's 'adventures' in the world, sometimes it helps to have a little context for some of them.

For example, Somalia.

In this case, America got it right and the world got it wrong...especially many European nations who sometimes don't have the balls to piss on a dying man engulfed in flames.


I remember the Somali conflict well. The issue was THOUSANDS OF SOMALIANS LITERALLY DYING IN FRONT OF THE TELEVISION CAMERAS. The United States insisted that Europe should take the lead in helping the Somalians. For our part, we poured tons of food into Somalia. I remember many Americans, black, white, all races, donating to help the Somalians. However, the problems was that war lords were stealing the food or letting it rot on the docks.

The American congress would not let the then President Bush send troops to Somalia. They insisted that Europe and African troops should do their share to help these starving people. From Europe, only Italy, France and Belgium responded to any significant degree. Even they insisted that they could not do anything without American logistics.

Wanting to stay out of the issue the US demanded that since Somalia was a Muslim country that other Muslim countries should be the ones sending troops. So Malasia, Pakistan and some others sent troops with the food distribution.

When the Somalians murdered about 30 Pakistani, WHO WERE FELLOW MUSLIMS, the United States finally sent troops to escort the FOOD SHIPMENT TO THE DYING SOMALIANS.

Is this what you are gloating about? Europe's cowardliness in putting their asses on the line.

The US was never at war in Somalia. Their logistics were not geared for war. They were geared to escort food. Only when Farid and his gangsters still managed to block food shipments (they liked to steal the food and sell it) did US troops try to neutralize these gangsters.

After US troops were killed, we simply decided to abandon the effort to guard the food.

That wasn't US humiliation (and I'm the last person to defend Bush, but he did the right thing) that was a humiliation of European indecision and a humilation of the Somali people by a band of gangsters.

It should be noted that one year later when the Hutus were slaughtering one million Tutis, the same people who were snickering at Somalia were begging the US to help save the Africans in Rwanda. The US refused and once again said that Europe should help mediate the problems of their former policies. And once again, from Europe, too little, too late.
The Swiss civil defense system is outstanding.
written by Peter King, July 26, 2010
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Oh that is rich...thank you, I needed a good laugh.
How lucky you are to declare the real winners a bunch of losers and exalt an untested system in modern warfare as superior.
Almost as funny as the Wiseman, who is constantly kissing Swiss butt, stating
Quoting Sun Tzu on 'The Art of War' - if you have to go to war, you have already lost

Just great...so if you are attacked, no response.

Good luck with that.
Ederson
written by João da Silva, July 26, 2010

Hi Ederson,

but I still enjoy your rants.


I am standing by for more of them, maintaining my infamous neutrality.smilies/wink.gifsmilies/cheesy.gifsmilies/grin.gif
To King
written by wiseman, July 26, 2010
Perhaps 1 wants to dwell on the conditions 1 creates that causes 1 to be attacked. Things do not happen in a vaccum. There is always Cause & Effect.

Being objective does not = 'kissing butt'. I am beginning to wonder about your cognitive thought process.

And today we have reports of a dam burst in Iowa:
http://feeds.bignewsnetwork.com/?sid=664273



To Adrianerik
written by wiseman, July 26, 2010
Thanks for the Somalia update. It's been quite a while since the incident & your
presentation adds further perspective to it.
Wiseman
written by Peter King, July 26, 2010
Perhaps 1 wants to dwell on the conditions 1 creates that causes 1 to be attacked. Things do not happen in a vaccum. There is always Cause & Effect.


Like I said, good luck with that. I read once that after Pearl Harbor, FDR's initial reaction was: "Oh...that's just Hirohito being Hirohito. What in heaven's name did we do to cause him to lash out like this? If it get's too rough, we should call the Swiss for help.....after all, Hitler is letting them be." smilies/cheesy.gif

Being objective does not = 'kissing butt'. I am beginning to wonder about your cognitive thought process.


If an ass-kisser like you is wondering about my cognitive thought process...I take that as a compliment. Go chase ch.c around...Herr Doktor, Herr Doktor please answer my posts. Thank you Christ Cartesian, thank you smilies/kiss.gif
You're about as objective as schoolgirl with a crush on her teacher.
To King
written by wiseman, July 26, 2010
"Oh...that's just Hirohito being Hirohito. What in heaven's name did we do to cause him to lash out like this?"

An oil & trade embargo imposed on Japan by then Secretary of State - Cordell Hull. Cause & Effect - Kapish....

Shalom!

To King
written by wiseman, July 26, 2010
Now, my boy, you sound like a spurned mistress. I apologize for not patronizing you
enough. Well, here's a good bedtime listen of some more....you guessed - Swiss thinking!

http://www.expectedreturnsblog.com/2010/07/marc-faber-massive-inflation-and-then.html
To the ass-kisser
written by Peter King, July 26, 2010
An oil & trade embargo imposed on Japan by then Secretary of State - Cordell Hull. Cause & Effect - Kapish....


You would have probably cheered on the Japanese troops in Nanking.


Pardon me Herr Doktor, I am not too smart...


The only thing you've said with a degree of accuracy.
More likely spummed or spurmed not spurned
written by Simpleton, July 26, 2010
Think we should call in the big guns and let Costina take care to whatever is up Pee Kings arse. Whatever it may be it most definitely looks to be affecting the aural canal when he reads things out loud to himself.
To the Majesty the Kueing on Marc Faber !
written by ch.c, July 27, 2010
Wellll that is exactly my view on the US dollar for yeeearssssss in this blog !
That is Down down down down down the river.

Ahhhh....ahhhh...ahhhhhh !

But I didnt needed Marc Faber view !

Suffice to look at a 4 decades chart. A W swinging chart with a downward bias !
Even my 12 years old niece could understand, looking at the chart.
A 75 % devaluation over 40 years against my currency !

This said, many many many other currencies, even far more pronounced in the Brazilian currency, have a W swinging chart with an even more DOWNWARD BIAS AGAINST...THE US DOLLAR !!!!!!
Thus dont believe one second that the US$ is that weak against MOST worldwide currencies. especially against the emerging countries currencies, even more so against the brazilian ! currency.
The BRL should go up by 80 % (yESSSS no typos) JUST TO REACH ITS 1995 level....AGAINST THE US DOLLAR !
And guess what ! The brazilians caress their navel about their "STRONG" CURRENCY !!!!!

Ahhhhh....ahhhh....ahhhhh !

And for the Gringos junkies and Afghanistan, here is the latest temperature taken IN AMERICA :

"Polls show support for the war waning. Almost 6 in 10 respondents in a Bloomberg National Poll conducted July 9-12 said Afghanistan is a lost cause.The poll of 1,004 adults had a margin of error of 3.1 percentage points."

I bet you wont withdraw your troops starting in July 2011, as promised !
There will be mooooore troooops, not less ! More war budget, not less !

Because You Hate Losing Face...To The World !
But Humiliated you are and will remain !

Dont forget what an afghan said recently to America "You have the watch, we have the Time"

Russia too was humiliated there in Afghanistan after their "guaranteed" Short invasion there.
Short invasion that lasted TEN years.
And finally back home, PANTS DOWN, DEFEATED, HUMILIATED !

That is exactly the outcome waiting AMERICA in Afghanistan....and....and....and IRAQ....IN THE YEARS AHEAD !

JUST another proof that Germany would have not won, had they invaded us !!
Despite their massive superiority in fire power, etc !


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Joao "maintaining my infamous neutrality. *
written by ch.c, July 27, 2010
Welllll...at least the 190 International Agencies, supra national agencies, in Geneva alone, not even counting the many others in the other parts of my country, do not believe Neutrality is so Infamous, since they put their HQ over here, not elsewhere !

Sorry for you ALL !!

In life there are winners and losers.
And winners are always smarter and better than losers, by definition !
As true in sports or economy, or development, or wealth, or infrastructure, or healthcare, or education, or pollution, etc etc etc !

And losers are very good at criticizing WINNERS !

And WINNERS LAUGHS !
They are telling losers, "CHOOSE YOUR CAMP!"
It is not difficult to be in the winners camp !
Suffice to more or less COPY what the winners do !


UP TO YOU !

YOU ARE FREE TO DO WHATEVER YOU WANT WITH YOUR PRESENT AND FUTURE !
Winners may tell losers what you do wrong !
Up to you to follow or not their advices.

And let winners continue their own path. WE ARE NOT GOING TO FOLLOW YOUR ADVICES, YOU THE LOSERS !GUARANTEED !

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ch.c
written by João da Silva, July 27, 2010

Joao "maintaining my infamous neutrality. *


Thanks for your lecture addressed to me, ch.c! When I said "neutrality", I was referring to mine and not to that of Swiss, while you are engaging in you debate with our American friends!!

As for your country´s neutrality, I don't criticize it, because I am a defender of Brasil maintaining its neutrality in world affairs. ie. Andrada doctrine. But..but... you have to realize that our respective countries were founded on different principles in 3 different continents. Our aspirations and goals are different and who are we to judge the policies of other countries unless our interests are threatened?

One thing for sure, as Adrian has pointed out and ASP once in a while touches upon: When the Europeans are in trouble, they go to the Americans crying for help, as the history has shown. I certainly wouldn't like to see Brasil getting involved in any international conflicts, though my instinct tells me that we would be forced to one way or other.smilies/sad.gif
Joao "As for your country´s neutrality, I don't criticize it"
written by ch.c, July 28, 2010
Wellll, not totally true in some of your past threads.
But dont worry, that is ok for me !

On the other hand you are 200 % right for Europeans begging for american help !
We have seen it for the Balkan war in the 1990's !
Europe with their massive armaments from planes fighters, bombers, tanks, rockets, missiles, etc
were AFRAID to fight Serbia.
Serbia a poor country having mostly second WWII armaments !
And believe it or not, Europeans said Serbia had the World 4th BEST Army and armaments !
iNITIALLY Clinton denied help, pretending very rightly that the Balkans problem doesnt concern America.
And it is only after further begging and begging that Clinton accepted.

You just have no idea of how the europeans were proud of their battles win over there, despite most of the job was done by the U.S. army !

French sang COCORICO !
Brits sang MORE BEERS !

i Can tell you, better to be neutral over here and not a EU member !

Anyway, hopefully you also understand my regular harsh critics toward the EU !

This said, with my usual sarcasm, dont forget that Brazil will, eventually buy the French Rafales fighters ! if you see what I mean !
No doubt that the French Mirages fighters were not called MIRACLES fighters, despite French pretending the opposite !
Eventually the Rafales fighters are good to fight CHICKEN AND MICES INVASIONS !
And would America invade Brazil as your fears are, just look at Afghanistan !
Do Afghan have such advanced armaments ?
AND IS AMERICA WINNING, on their ninth year of invasion and hundreds billion dfollar spent spent for close to next to nothing for results ????

Think about...my sarcasmssssss.....I have written about in my many threads over the years !

Ohhhhh last but not least, here are some latest news :

- Hans Blix (predecessor of El Baradei, chief of the IAE) Harsh on Leaders in Testimony for Iraq Inquiry
http://www.nytimes.com/2010/07/28/world/europe/28blix.html?_r=1

http://www.brisbanetimes.com.au/world/hans-blix-slams-bush-blair-over-iraq-war-20100728-10uo8.html

What a mess, what a shame ALL these BEER bellies, and HAMBURGERS bellies !





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adrian erick....
written by asp, July 28, 2010
nice try with your informed post on somolia, but, it doesnt stand a chance in hell against a movie....
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written by wiseman, July 28, 2010
'You would have probably cheered on the Japanese troops in Nanking'

No that's past history like Mai-Lai, Abu-Gharib, Fallujah, Bosnia, Algeria, Congo, etc. I cheer in the present!

http://feeds.bignewsnetwork.com/?sid=664781

BTW, your yarmulke is 2 sizes too small, probably constraining the bloodflow to that mushy stuff between your ears.

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Mr.
written by Sunil M S, July 31, 2010
In India, there are banks which charge interest on Credit Card dues at rates anything between 35% and 40% per annum. No one will be able to bear such high interest rates for long. The only way a credit card could be beneficial to the card holder is by settling the whole dues every month, never letting any part of the dues to be carried over to the next month. Although rates of interest as high as 35% to 40% are usurious, a number of card holders use the credit and let it be carried over bearing the high interest cost. The credit card issuing companies, which include large banks also, attribute the high rates of interest to the high cost of servicing credit cards. This can't be entirely true. Most of the banks in India are earning huge profits year after year. The story cannot be much different in Brazil. If the interest on credit card dues in Brazil are also as high as 35% - 40%, they should be brought down to 12% - 15% per annum. If they don't, such banks will have to be termed 'parasites of the society’. Any one who is committed to the well being of the society, will not charge such usurious rates. If the credit card market in Brazil is still in its nascent state, this is the best time to nip in the bud the tendency on the part of the credit card companies/banks to levy usurious rates of interest on credit card dues.
Thank you Sunil
written by adrianerik, July 31, 2010
Thank you Sunil. That was the point I so weakly made about Brazilians who "carry over" a balance into the next month, only being able to pay the minimum due.

According to FORBES ins 2008, of the ten top Brazilian businesses...4 are banks. (Banco do Brasil, Bradesco, Itau, Unibanco). The richest persons in Brasil are the Safras of SAFRA bank. Each year the Brazilian papers are full of the record profits being made by the banks. Just in the 1stQ (or second quarter) Banco do Brasil's profits have already increased 41% over last years.

I do everything I can to avoid interacting with the banks here.
Sunil M S
written by João da Silva, July 31, 2010

Thanks for the informative comments on Indian Bank rates on credit cards. Informative as well as interesting,as India is also a member of the so called BRIC countries. I wonder if in other two countries of this exclusive club, these rates prevail. If you are unable to clarify, I am sure our learned and distinguished fellow blogger, ch.c will be able to.

Basically, when a "Save and Spend" society turns into "Spend first and pay later" one with the blessings of the Government, the banks profit more and more. This is what is happening in our country. Penalize the saver and encourage the spender, by paying low interest rate on the savings and charging exorbitant interest rates on the credit cards.

The only way a credit card could be beneficial to the card holder is by settling the whole dues every month, never letting any part of the dues to be carried over to the next month.


Yes. You are right to a certain extent.If one uses it just for convenience. But still you cannot avoid paying the "annual credit card fee" and paying more for the goods whose prices incorporate the monthly "discount rate", as I explained in my earlier post to ch.c. At least in our country and though I am not sure how it works in yours. Would be happy to receive your clarifications and thanks.
adrianerik
written by João da Silva, July 31, 2010

We must be on-line at the same time! Commented and saw yours after punching "Add Comment"!!

According to FORBES ins 2008, of the ten top Brazilian businesses...4 are banks. (Banco do Brasil, Bradesco, Itau, Unibanco).


In late 2008, Itau and Unibanco "merged" to become the 3rd largest bank. Probably for charitable reasons.smilies/wink.gif
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