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You Got to Love a Brazil Where Typewriters Are Preserved and Couples Kiss at the Box Office PDF Print E-mail
2010 - August 2010
Written by B. Michael Rubin   
Tuesday, 17 August 2010 16:19

Kiss for half priceIf there is a connection between cleanliness and public affection, it is being played out on the streets of Brazil. Here people continually exhibit their passion for both rituals.

Brazilians shower twice a day and brush their teeth after every meal, which might be five or six times every day. They power wash their sidewalks and store fronts and keep their homes fastidiously clean and neat, thanks to the powerful hands of the family maids.

In Curitiba, a stroll down the street, at any time on any day, reveals another task-force consisting of hundreds of men (and a few women) employed to sweep the streets by hand. Orange-suited cleanliness heroes pick up trash, fallen leaves, and even scrape weeds from between the cracks of the cobblestone sidewalks.

Likewise, public affection is the everyday norm. Although most often practiced by the young, it is not their exclusive domain. Few couples refrain from a romantic moment: witnessing the likes of rainbows in waterfalls or seaside sunrises.

One night I went to the movies at the local mall and discovered a discount promotion. My wife and I could obtain half-price tickets if we kissed in front of the ticket counter.

I learned discount kissing was a success, as it wasn't restricted to this one mall. Perhaps movie theaters were assisting in the flowering of new relationships by encouraging the people at the back of the line to enjoy enthusiastic bursts of romance. I'm still wondering if the promotion was endorsed by the Valentine's Day committee or the numerous chocolate stores.

Along with a heightened awareness of cleanliness, and public displays of romance, there are a few other customs in Brazil I wouldn't mind seeing in the US. For one, the hotly debated topic of universal health care, which already exists in Brazil, has only recently come to fruition under President Obama, and still faces a fight in the courts from some conservatives. Additionally, Brazil has advanced beyond the US in electronic banking.

I've been equally impressed in Curitiba by the regulations regarding recycling. Not only does recycling promote environmental awareness, but it provides valuable income to some of Curitiba's poorer families.

Recycling is so advanced in Brazil that even cemetery plots are recycled. After several years, the remains of the departed are exhumed and placed in smaller containers above ground, allowing the original plot to be re-used.

I have never seen valuable items sitting on a street corner here waiting for the garbage collector. Americans are fond of replacing household items that are still in working condition because they've grown tired of them or they don't function as well as they used to.

On the other hand, Brazilians recycle, re-use, and repair their old possessions. I had an  experience of this firsthand when I came to Brazil with an antique typewriter that belonged to my grandfather.

This typewriter had great sentimental value because it was the only possession I owned of my grandfather's. It was built in the 1930s and fell into disrepair many years ago.

When I was living in New York City a few years ago, I had searched for a repair shop but couldn't find a single store that even sold typewriters, nor less repaired them. Had it not been for my grandfather's memory, I probably would have thrown it away.

Wisely, I elected to bring it with me when I moved to Brazil, where a glance in the phone book provided a list of numerous typewriter repair stores. Today, my proud possession sits in my apartment, well-oiled and functioning, dressed smartly in a new two-color typewriter ribbon. I can't imagine where the repair shop found a ribbon for this 10-kilo relic of a bygone era of communication.

Despite Brazil's eagerness to join the fast-paced, replaceable world of advanced nations like the US, there is something to be said for honoring the past. Repairing an old typewriter isn't so different from taking care of an aging family member.

In Brazil, widows are invited to move in with their grown children while they are given priority on bank and supermarket lines. They ride the buses free, get half-price tickets, and don't even have to vote.

In the US, senior citizens often end up living alone in nursing homes or retirement villages where they are surrounded by strangers and visited by their families once or twice a year. They never have the opportunity to ride a bus or go to the movies.

Perhaps before Brazilians eagerly embrace the 21st century, dreaming of huge homes and massive cars like they see in Hollywood movies, they might take a moment to appreciate  their own country, which has the sound judgment to care for antique typewriters. Maybe they will confess they enjoy watching couples kissing on the movie line, even if it takes a few extra minutes to enter the theater.

Before leaping into the future too quickly, we can stop and admire those who realize there is much to be learned from the past. The advice and experience of history is available to everyone - we need only to slow down and listen carefully to the grandparents and great-grandparents among us.

As with cleanliness and affection, listening takes time. It's not as effective if you are in a hurry. Like the considerate hands of the artisan who brought new life to my grandfather's typewriter, the wisdom of the ages is open to those with patience.

Michael Rubin is an American living in Curitiba, Brazil. He can be reached at rubin.brazil@gmail.com.



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Nice article
written by Grace, August 17, 2010
Great article Michael. I agree with your views. Funny that the only time you see some PDA here in America is when you see young Hispanic couples. Brazilians when they marry become family, here they become just your "business partner", and value their independance, separate "hobbies, money, etc". Living with your in law? Never.
And Universal Health care..everybody was so scared of the Public Option, they just didn't get it.
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written by Gringo2, August 18, 2010
"In Curitiba"

Nuff said!

The writer obviously hasn't travelled Brazil. It's a filthy nation, with a small pocket of anally retentive upper class people found in a few capitals to THE SOUTH.
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written by João da Silva, August 18, 2010

anally retentive upper class people found


Had to consult various dictionaries to find the meaning of this powerful expression. Alas, without any success. Mind translating in plain English or Portuguese.smilies/wink.gif
What is this writer smoking
written by WOW, August 18, 2010
"Brazilians shower twice a day and brush their teeth after every meal, which might be five or six times every day".

This is a joke in itself.
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written by Jaboo, August 18, 2010
Anal retentive is probably closest to cheio de nove horas.

Sure Curitiba is an example city there arent many others like it in Brazil. However these things do exist all over and they make an effort at it. A very poignant and entertaining article.

It's a filthy nation !!!!
written by ch.c, August 19, 2010
As filthy as their mentality !
And they have a endemic disease. They cant stop caressing their navel.
They are 100000000000 % sure they are one of the World Best Country in economic prowess, when reality is they had the LOWEST economic growth rate of the BRIC since Robbing Hook was elected, and also the LOWEST one in the Mercosur, even if including Venezuela. And eventually one of the lowest in the UNASUR club.

In fact so much lower that of course, Robbing HOOK had to change its methodology right after his re-election and still adjusting IN HIS FAVOR the methodology that would show HIGHER than reported economic growth than PREVIOUSLY reported during his first term.
And still the LOWEST despite having changed their methodology when calculated from 2003 to 2010 !
Better yet, they are quite sure to be Price Competitive.
Sure....after a 75 % currency devaluation from 1998 to 2002.

Would Brazil be Price Competitive if Europe or the USA devalued their currencies by 75 % in 4 years against the BRL ?????
Lets face it, the Brazil Currency, now at about 0,57 to the dollar, would still need a 75 % RISE to be at parity again, like it was from mid 1994 to 1998 !!!!!

Hey Braz-zeroes would you be still competitive ?

And what happens in Curitiba about collecting streets garbages is certainly NOT representative if Rio or SP, or the tens and tens large cities.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yXl-fdnG_JI
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0w-jOjjWzek
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=28W3w0nseK4&feature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TWS-ysukhUs&feature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TPAz9ClIUPk&feature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=upCCVlG8b1w

Last but not least

What about the hundred of thousands STREET CHILDREN ??????
No one collect them and give them Care & Love ?
Ohhhhh yessssss...You have a special association caring for them.
Its name ?
THE DEATHS SQUADS !
And they are very proud of what they do, they pretend to REDUCE POVERTY !

How many deaths squads members were arrested since Robbing Hook was elected in 2003 ?
NOT MANY, FOR SURE !
Normal, they are mostly police forces, doing overtime !
Thus PUBLIC SERVANTS doing good, apparently.

And on brazilians with their apparent 2 showers a day and their apparent 5-6 times a day teeths cleaning ????
Just a pure Goebbels motto...lie...lie...lie...something will always remain !
It would suffice to look at their yearly per capita consumption of soaps/gels and toothpastes !
It should be not only by far far far the world highest, but even 3 times more than the second best ! Hmmmm !

Ohhhh my...ohhh my !

Be happy to swim in your POLLUTIONssssss ! Including your polluted mindsssss !
No one yet has found a med against the famous Endemic Brazilian Navel Caressing Disease !


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brazil is smelly
written by Alandria Ferreira, August 19, 2010
Aside from Curitiba, Brazil is dirty and smelly, got to Manaus, Recife, Salvador, Campos and you'll see.
Stay as U Are
written by Sparkle, August 19, 2010
Brazil stay as you are. You don't want to be like the United States. Full of ugly, obese unhappy miserable, sex-starved people.

Dont believe the hype about America either. Please don't imitate America unless you like being fat, ugly and unhappy like 99% of the country LOLsmilies/grin.gif
sex-starved people.
written by ch.c, August 20, 2010
Sure, how can 2 bibendums have sex ?

Outside of this, no doubt that Americans despite all their problems are far more happy than the Braz-zeroes !
Proof ? Wellll there are 1 million of illegal brazilians in the USA + xxx of legals, and not the other way around ! And to make it comparative you should multiply by a factor of 1,5 since, rounded, Brazil population is 200 millions and the USA 300 millions.
Meaning Brazil should tolerate 1,5 millions illegal Yanks...in Brazil ! NO LESS to make it fair !

Sparkle...you sparkle with your empty mind !

And in Europe braz-zeroes are less and less welcome. Especially those for endless stay...looking for jobs their own country DOES NOT PROVIDE !
Does Brazil provide employments to Yanks and Europeans ?

In my view Europe and the USA should send back home all their illegal brazilians + all those having a judiciary record !
Just fill a few empty grains ships with these illegals, when ships return back home ! Pack them as in the ships going to Brazil from Africa !
And we have no need to have the Endemic Brazilian Navel Caressing Disease to be spreaded in Europe and America.
Feel free to try your luck and find a job in China, or wherever in ASIA or....Africa !
And see if you will have a warmer welcome, a better job and a better life !
Its booming over there. Eventually they will hire illegal Braz-zeroes as their cleaning maids. Salary 2 dollars...PER DAY...SPECIAL PRICE JUST FOR YOU !

Hmmmmmm......otherwise back home...in the grains ships !
Euro trash
written by Simpleton, August 21, 2010
The non-SA illegals in Brasil are mainly from Europe. Although some may own and run small enterprises, their work is mostly in the informal market. Those operating estabilishments are doing so without licensing via payoffs to get the various authorities to look the other way. They range from those with high profiles in the local neighborhood and very expensive houses to those having nothing at all and live hiding away in the favelas.

Does the grain ship captain get a percentage of the payload in partial payment to keep as his own on his plantation? If so, see what you can do to sign both of us up - I'll race ya.
Simpleton
written by João da Silva, August 21, 2010

Euro trash


Great comment, Simpleton. I am very proud of ya for spilling out the truth. For this you should be made a life long member of OEA.smilies/wink.gif
Distillates
written by Simpleton, August 22, 2010
Ya Joao, sometimes it takes few words to get right down to the bottom of things. OEA will never accomplish that especially if dominated by Brasilians.

How's your re-"finery" ops going? Have you harvested the grapes or are my seasons all reversed due to the prolonged absence from "home".
To Alandria
written by wiseman, August 22, 2010
'Brazil is dirty and smelly'.......kind of like your panties, huh! smilies/tongue.gif
Simpleton
written by João da Silva, August 22, 2010

OEA will never accomplish that especially if dominated by Brasilians.


If you really look at OEA, it is dominated by Spanish America and NOT by Portuguese America, Simpleton.
wiseacre
written by Simpleton, August 22, 2010
That was below the belt. We can do without the smellyshelly commentary that seem to have chased away some our other single minded bloggers of the feminine persuasion in times past. Be a fine gent and leave the smartass darts and dodges to Costinha if you would please. I'm surprised Alandria didn't mention how much of a s**thole the majority of Copacabana smells like - doesn't matter, we love it.
World boundaries are indeterminant (eventually)
written by Simpleton, August 22, 2010
I guess I don't have access to the most current maps Joao. Where are Spanish America and Portuguese America located specifically? Certainly not in Spain, Portugal, France, Canada nor the United States of America.

BTW you stomped on my post to wiseacre timing-wise.
their work is mostly in the informal market. Those operating estabilishments are doing so without licensing via payoffs to get the various authorities to look the other way.
written by ch.c, August 23, 2010
What a joke, what a joke !
Facts :
40 % of the Brazilian GDP is from the informal sector.
60 % of the Brazilian workers are in the informal sector.

ALL from the Foreign Employers Illegally in Brazil ...in your Simple-tone mind ?

In my humble view, Europe and the USA should send back ALL brazilians ILLEGALS BACK HOME ! That should be about 1 million from the USA and 600'000 from Europe !

ABOUT THE EURO TRASH : ARE YOU REFFERING TO ONE OF WORLD LARGEST DUMPSITE...IN BRAZIL, AS PER ONE OF THE VIDEOS ABOVE ??????

Or the 1000 favelas in Rio alone, PLUS the many many many thousands elsewhere in Brazil ?

In my humble view this is THE BRAZ-ZEROES TRASH, not the EURO TRASH ! Until Braz-zeroes and Simple-tone could prove otherwise...of course !

Dont forget, Idiots are always 1'000'000 % sure that right they are !

So is life in the Braz-zeroes Paradise !

Anyway, aside of this and for Joao and the not so wiseman,
here is a news this morning on coffee. No related to my/our partnership JV.

"United Coffee a choisi d'établir son quartier général à Genève. L'entreprise est l'un des plus grands torréfacteurs de café en Europe.
"Nous avons choisi la Suisse, et Genève en particulier, pour notre siège en raison de l'emplacement géographique de la ville, son environnement international et sa présence de longue date dans l'industrie alimentaire et celle des machines à café", a expliqué le PDG de United Coffee Per Harkjaer.
La disponibilité d'une main-d'oeuvre hautement qualifiée et multilingue a également été un facteur clé, a ajouté le responsable.
United Coffee torréfie plus de 50'000 tonnes de café par an. Elle achète 1% de l'ensemble des exportations mondiales de café."

WINNERS....WIN...by definition !



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And those braz-zeroes agreing with Simple-stone mind on Euro Trash,,,,
written by ch.c, August 23, 2010
You all better look in your mirror and then come back and tell the audience what is the currency that ERASED 12 zeroes over the last 70 years !!!!!!
In my humble view it is the Braz-zeroessssssssssss Currency until proven otherwise. The World Best currency pretend those who got a SP
University licence found in a detergent pack.
You are the World Best ZEROS ERASERS after Zimbabwe, until proven otherwise from your advanced scientists, physicians, engineers and mathematicians !
You are all truly EIN-STEIN
Soooo funny ! The same idiots who pretended that the brazilian ethanol industry was oil competitive at 35 dollars per barrel BUT BUT BUT....LOST MONEY when oil was at a yearly daily average price of 99 dollars !
You better stop sniffing ethanol and go back to good public primary schools in TOGO !! Over there they agree that 2 + 2 = 4.
Not in Brazil.
Ohhhh my...ohhhh my !

ch.c
written by João da Silva, August 23, 2010

Anyway, aside of this and for Joao and the not so wiseman,
here is a news this morning on coffee. No related to my/our partnership JV.


Nice try, ch.c. I understand written French to a certain extent and could make out that it has nothing to do with your JV. But..But...Herr.Wisemann must be plucking his hair to translate it.smilies/wink.gif

BTW, how was your week end?smilies/cool.gif
et tu?
written by Simpleton, August 23, 2010
Joao, you are probably 1'000'000% right about wiseman. Even with no education or training in Portuguese and a deep seated abhorrance of the French, I too somehow was able to read and "ken" ch.c's clip.

Sorry ch.c but you can't use what exists for publish statistics on the informal economy to negate the smaller scale realities of what goes on under the radar. Not your cup of tea to get right down in the trenches, get right up close and personal, to see for yourself. Anyway, I'm sure your JV accounting staff has just as much insite and cleaverness in getting around things as any Brasileiro owned company has. Then again, maybe not if you are too top loaded with "respectable" euro folks.
Simple-stone "Sorry ch.c but you can't use what exists for publish statistics on the informal economy to negate the smaller scale realities of what goes on under the radar"
written by ch.c, August 23, 2010
Smaller scale ?
Are you talking about the Slaves Laborers in.....BRAZIL ?

And what goes on under the radar ?????
The thousands and thousands and thousands of Braz-zeroes FAVELAS ???

Or the far many more than admitted tens of thousands SLAVES LABORERS IN ....BRAZIL ?
Under the radar is what Brazil Government wants to hide.
Reality, as usual, is much much much darker !
For your VIEWING... AND NOT UNDER THE RADAR :
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5i3UKmcZU_0

Thus yessss yesssss keep believing the Brazilian Government that they fight hard !

And an added detail...On Brazil.... A Slave Nation :
Dont think one second that the slaves are only the poors workers.
Because Brazilians low/middle class are also SLAVES :
By having to pay 10 % or so in mortgages rates, 25-30 % for car purchases, 3-4 % PER MONTH for consumers purchases, and well over 100 % for overdrafts !
NOT BAD....in a 4-5 % inflation environment. Not bad for lenders, They can keep hiring hiring hiring many many many UNNECESSARY EMPLOYEES !

Robbing Hook hooked ALL OF YOU ! VERY DEEP, just as you like it best !

And on Simple-stone accounting : Well....wellll in 2007 the Geneva State Budget was 7 billion dollars ! For a total population of 450'000 !
NOT THAT LOW....THE TAXES COLLECTED....WETHER YOU LIKE OR NOT.
And how do you, You the EIN-STEIN, think that states spend their budgets if not through TAX COLLECTION ????
And believe it or not, over here it is not like the U.S. states...with deficits !
Over here....our budget is balanced, and even has a little budget surplus.
As I said, Simple-stones minded are always 1000000 % sure that right they are !

I bet that your genes are from the Wiseman ancestrors !

Laughs....laughs....laughs !
continued for Simple-stone minded "get right up close and personal, to see for yourself."
written by ch.c, August 23, 2010
NO NEED for me moving in a filthy country !
Simple technology....youtube videos....are good enough...to show me THE SAD TRUTH NOT HIDDEN UNDER THE RADAR, despite what your filthy government tries to do....perpetually !

Here is for YOUR VIEWING :
yOUR NON RACISM...APPARENTLY
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4d77uCRe6As&feature=related

Your cleaning policemen
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NQKW8oTRsoc&feature=related

Your Great UNsocial housing, UNclean cities, UNcollected garbages, UNpaved streets, and traffic jams...when poorly paved
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R9XC7kEOqwE&feature=fvw
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w0tTY1sSLIU&feature=channel
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5dO1c82djaA&feature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VbrpQ2l3tes&feature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ccUT68FDRso&feature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2h7kRnfXgJA&feature=related

Is this what You meant when you said "get right up close and personal, to see for yourself" ?
Or was the above videos what You would hide to me if I was there ???? Bad luck IDIOT, LIAR AND CHEATER !

Have you ever been to Brazil...YOURSELF ?
Then up to me to tell You "get right up close and personal, to see for yourself"

And the videos dont yet provide yet... the SMELLS !

Ohhhhh and you have many many many hundreds of additional videos available for free at Youtube for YOUR VIEWING....SIMPLE-STONE minded !

Are you red faced, pale faced, black faced, blue faced or rainbow faced ? Welll you better be pale faced and full of shame !
and so should be All Braz-zeroes, including Joao by the way.
Yesss Joao very good to get associated with Ruban the real-estate expert in Brazil and Your INFAMOUS PROJECT that will never ever see the light !
Talking is fine ! Robbing Hook did only that since 2003 !

Action is better...for sure !

HOW MANY SLUMS WERE ELIMINATED OR CREATED SINCE 2003....IN BRAZIL ?

I bet 1000 dollars that more were created than eliminated...SADLY !
Were even 5 favelaS ELIMINATED WITHIN YOUR MANY MANY THOUSANDS ?

i JUST DRAW YOUR ATTENTION THAT BRAZ-ZEROES HAVE ONE OF THE MOST UNJUST SOCIETY ON EARTH ! And this is not only due to your elected politicians but the decision of all....NON INDIANS, NON BLACKS...IN BRAZIL !

And I challenge anyone to prove me wrong. Many many emerging nations on earth with a SIMILAR (or even LOWER) GDP per capita DONT HAVE AS MANY CITIZENS RESIDING IN SLUMS....THAN IN BRAZIL !

ch.c
written by João da Silva, August 23, 2010

Yesss Joao very good to get associated with Ruban the real-estate expert in Brazil and Your INFAMOUS PROJECT that will never ever see the light !


Who says I am getting associated with him? I am just giving a friendly advice. Besides, you have to understand that I am fond of my state like your are of yours.smilies/cheesy.gif

BTW, I like the concept of "Value Added Products" as well as balanced budget. The surplus is even better.smilies/cool.gif
Hmmm
written by Simpleton, August 23, 2010
Yep, been in the favelas and have seen first hand much of what you speak of as well as alot of what is shown in the youtube videos. So what of it? My commentary was regarding under the radar euro trash residing in brasil and nothing more. Haven't been to RS yet so I will simply just accept Joao's great appreciation for it. Most people are proud of their states / countries but he probably does have it very good where he's at, peasantry and all. It may be kind of like out in the countryside in Switzeerland.
Simpleton
written by João da Silva, August 23, 2010

Haven't been to RS yet so I will simply just accept Joao's great appreciation for it.


I am not from RS and if you want, you can go and appreciate it at will.smilies/angry.gif
No vinyard?
written by Simpleton, August 23, 2010
Okay, we'll just skip SC and PR and go right straight for SP then which would make you more significantly a minority on the well to do peasant front (which means your voice should carry much more weight and meaning in Brasil than it does).
My commentary was regarding under the radar euro trash residing in brasil and nothing more.
written by ch.c, August 24, 2010
Then MOST BRAZILIAN NON indian native and blacks are EURO TRASH via their ancestrors !
Simple as that !
Including Serra, Robbing Hook and Joao da Silva !

And quite similar for the WHOLE SOUTH, CENTRAL AND NORTH AMERICA !
And even probably Yourself Simple-stone.

I cant stop....laughing.

And to Joao, proud of his state. Ohhhh yessssss...have you not written that you HATE YOUR POLITICIANS not so long ago ????
And then vote for them....most probably !

Typically Brazilian.

And concerning myself, proud of my state. NOT SO NOT SO !
My answers, on Switzerland, would be the same if I was an Asian, African, North or South American !

I can only repeat what I said so many times...that my name is CARTESIAN ! We are as good, better or worse than the others.
BUT PERFECT WE ARE NOT !
And Switzerland is no Paradise. But when compared with all the others countries, no doubt we are closer to Paradise than the others !
Suffice to take not one, but many comparative stats and many various rankings.
SIMPLE AS THAT !

And braz-zeroes better do the same !
- Lowest economic growth rate of all Mercosur members, including Venezuela, 2003-2010
- Lowest economic growth rate of all BRIC members, 2003-2010
- And one of the lowest economic growth rate of the world emerging nations, including many African countries, 2003-2010 !
- One of the most UNJUST SOCIETY ON EARTH !

Dont worry because by now the USA are even worse than you. 10 % of their citizens have 93 % of the country wealth ! 90 % of all their mortgages are guaranteed by the FEDERAL GOVERNMENT of the USA.
And these cheaters have not yet put the 10 trillion dollars mortgages they guarantee...INTO THEIR GOVERNMENT DEBTS, SADLY !

Lets face it, in the coming years the USA will change its name to USSR ! Reality being their government wants to control THE WHOLE COUNTRY like the USSR did !

Think about it !

And the Russian annexed all their neighbours....to become the USSR !
Just think what I have in mind !
And there is also a formal proof. Namely that Lemes the Qualified Biological Scientist is working closely with the U.S. AIR FORCE !
That smells....burning fields, in Brazil, in the not too distant future.
But if the yanks have not won the Afghan war after the 9th year, dont worry, you too may spray NY, Washington, LA and even the pentagon with your AG planes sprayers...in case they use napalm bombs with their B62 !
i said B62, because they will need to spend a few hundreds billion dollars more, for a new B52 generation. Who knows, may be they will launch bombs with newer corn ethanol bombs, not napalm !
And then they will critize Brazil...for its deforestation, of course. Typically the new US-SR ! SR for South Republic of the U.S.!

Hmmmmm...hmmmmm !

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more misguided missles
written by Simpleton, August 24, 2010
Ok ch.c, insert "illegal" in front of "euro trash" in my post - that's what we were talking about but you are so bent on going off topic. You simply can't handle thinking and having a focused discussion on something you do not have stats for like illegal euro trash residing in brasil. Broken Record Syndrome - you should at least consider trying to get some help.
you do not have stats for like illegal euro trash residing in brasil
written by ch.c, August 24, 2010
And you idiot, do you have specific numbers or government estimates ???

What is sure is that there is an estimate 1 million of Illegals Brazilians in the USA and 600'000 in the EU.
More than doubtful that there are 600'000 Illegals Europeans and 1 million Illegals Yanks in Brazil !

Better yet YOU STATED YOURSELF that many Euro-trash have businesses in Brazil. No doubt that THEY HELP THE ECONOMY since they have INVESTED THEIR MONEY.


What about Illegals Brazilians in the USA and Europe...IN YOUR VIEW ??
HAVE THEY INVESTED THEIR MONEY AND CREATED JOBS ?

NOT TO MY KNOWLEDGE....FOR SURE !

Idiots will remain idiots. And by the way...WHERE DO YOU RESIDE....SIMPLE-STONE ? And what is your passport ?

Stand up !
ch.c
written by João da Silva, August 24, 2010

And to Joao, proud of his state. Ohhhh yessssss...have you not written that you HATE YOUR POLITICIANS not so long ago ????


I stand by what I said. I believe in "Meritocracy" and give a s**t about politicians who make empty promises.

And then vote for them....most probably !


Me voting for A..holes? You are underestimating our state, my friend!
You are underestimating our state, my friend!
written by ch.c, August 24, 2010
THUS WHO VOTE ??????
And by the way what is your city of residence ?
Ex-Pats
written by Simpleton, August 24, 2010
You are never far off the mark ch.c. The ex-pat brasileiros do tend to send money back home (when they can). Not unlike mexicans, central americans, folks from terrorist countries, legal euro trash, et. al..

As for the number and origin make up of illegals residing brasil, there are no stats available to my knowledge. The facts of their presence and characteristics I speak of only from first hand knowledge and observations. A very small statistical pool indeed so I would not speculate on the numbers. You could possibly devise some type of prediction using data from each time brasil ran an amnesty program but it would likely be flawed beyond your tolerance level. You are like a fish out of water when you don't have someone else's stats to build your case around.

Yeah, sure, the illegal euro trash with businesses in brasil are making a real contribution. A few paid off goverment workers, an occasional judge, lawyers and a couple of slaves at salaria minimo or less with no benefits or taxes.
You are underestimating our state
written by Simpleton, August 24, 2010
Don't worry so much Joao, no one will underestimate your politicaly cloutless state nor hold your state against you whether that be a state of inebriation, state of bliss, state of satisfaction or a state of decay.smilies/grin.gif

Right makes might, don't tread on me - always been a couple of decent mottos in my book.
ch.c
written by João da Silva, August 24, 2010

And by the way what is your city of residence ?


I will let you know, if the "Meritocracy" wins in October (in our state), thus proving 2 plus 2 really equals 4.smilies/wink.gif

BTW, I don't think you have ever visited this place.smilies/sad.gif
Simple-stone and Joao
written by ch.c, August 24, 2010
1) "The ex-pat brasileiros do tend to send money back home (when they can). Not unlike mexicans, central americans, folks from terrorist countries, legal euro trash"¨$

then please provide the stats because they exist for braz-zeroes, mexicans, centra america and folks for terrorists countries as you tated. YOU ARE NOT FOCUS SIMPLE-STONE

"there are no stats available to my knowledge."
- THEN why do Simple-stein expects me to give him some ? Be focus IDIOT !
- And as YOU stated illegals euro trash have their enterprise in Brazil, thus have their money invested, not illegals braz-zeroe in the USA and Europe. You were not focused...as usual !
- YOU ARE A TRUE IDIOT WITH YOUR FIRST HAND SOURCE, because you provide Nooooothing that can be double checked !

Last but not least : In Europe we dont have Only illegals braz-zeroes but also Illegals from ALL South and Central America, plus blacks Africans, North Africans, the Middle East, Asians and just name them...we have ! Including Turks, Indians, Sri Lankans, Pakistanese and Eastern Europeans etc. NOT BRAZIL !

2) Joao
Funny that you are not willing to provide either the state or the city of your residence. But that is fine for me. Just surprising.
I did not ask your adress, tel., or e-mail ! Dont worry I wont anyway ! Even more surprising that you will tell me your city After the elections. Quite a fishy and smelly and stinky statement.
Because what will/would that change ?
But so goes life...in the braz-zeroes favelas mentality !
And to Double-Simple-Stone "You are like a fish out of water when you don't have someone else's stats to build your case around. "
written by ch.c, August 25, 2010
Sorry it is only IDIOTS LIKE YOU who never ever provide ONE STAT and is still sure that You are 1000000000000000000 % right in your comments.

Idiots may as well pretend that the USA has a great trade surplus and an even bigger Budget Surplus. And pretend that they are right
with an absolute certainty and guarantee.

Lets face it, idiots like you Double Simple-stone, are found by the tens of millions in North, Central and South America. Idiots pretend that they have no reason to provide stats, since right they are anyway !
Just like the Gringos who pretended that Iraq is full of WMDs but did not find one gram after having SPENT about a trillion dollars over there since their 2003 invasion !
And quite similar with Obama bin bin Laden hiding in Afghanistan.
No doubt that using a live Google Earth and 100 unemployed non skilled gringos would have provided better results and so so so much cheaper than the ships loadssss of money effectively spent !

Fluffy Americans are now the Derision of the World ! Worse than mentally ill Africans ! They cant win a war against poor farmers despite all their massive armaments and ships loadddds of FRESHLY PRINTED MONEY !
And it was Nooooo different in Vietnam by the way !

Short memory Simple-stone ? You better be this time !
No memory keeps the pride high of Gringos.
They will never ever admit their defeat but rather continue lying and say they WON, these bunch of fatty patty liars !
Who are in reality these soldiers ? UNSKILLED & UNEMPLOYED PEOPLE obtaining a well paid GOVERNMENT job and later also a government subsidized mortgage rate ! And obviously paid with freshly printed new money. NOTHING ELSE !

What a rotten, rusted, stinky and smelly DECADENCE.

I bet you will keep your tens and tens and tens military bases around the World paid out also with freshly printed money. Just think what would be the U.S. economy without these militarys bases.
Far far more UNEMPLOYMENT ! AND A SECOND ECONOMIC DEPRESSION !
Much deeper than the first one.
What a huge PONZI SCHEME, the USA is !

I have stomach pain, so much I laugh. I nearly fall off my chair !



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Tanks ch.c
written by Simpleton, August 25, 2010
I like the rating you gave me - "You are 1000000000000000000 % right in your comments." Many more zero's than you have ascribed to others. Says something (but not much).

Stats that you mention do exist but not for illegals in Brasil and most certainly not for illegal Euro trash in Brasil. To generate such stats there is typically an in person type of door to door or other method of survey conducted. Since the stats that don't exist can't be used for your arguments you have zero valid arguments. I suggest you belly up to the bar and hit the streets and favelas so you can build up the stats that prove what I know and have seen exists first hand. We'll be sure not to count you as Euro trash while you are in country doing the requisite leg work.

An Asylum is an Asylum and it doesn't matter whether that be a political one, an institutional one or a self created one like ch.c's. Turns out I will enjoy watching the elections in first person again this year. Twas entertaining the last time.
Simple-stone
written by ch.c, August 25, 2010
Your maths is
? + or - ? = Your conclusion

Proof that you are a great fluffy Gringo, until proven otherwise.
Dont worry, the USA as a country is not any better than the sum of its citizens...by definition !
NOW You get in your rear what you have seeded...for decades !

Hmmmm...hmmmmm and its going to be costly. You aint see nothing so far !

Enjoy your smart overspending. NOT OVER...FOR SURE !
Enjoy your smart real estate meltdown. NOT OVER...FOR SURE !
Enjoy your unemployment rate. NOT OVER...FOR SURE !

How did you get there ? SIMPLE :
? + or - ? = America conclusion

And somewhat funny how you contradict yourself with such ease, perpetually !
You started to say "The ex-pat brasileiros do tend to send money back home (when they can). Not unlike mexicans, central americans, folks from terrorist countries" MORE WRONG YOU COULD NOT BE.

And later you said "Stats that you mention do exist"

Of course remittances stats exist. Including for countries YOU PRETEND their citizens in other countries send nothingn back home !

PROOF THAT YOU ARE NOT ONLY AN IDIOT BUT ALSO A PRETENTIOUS AND LAZY IDIOT !

But quite normal, after all you are a fluffy Gringo where there too you got University licences...found in detergent packs.
Your problem is that in America to find a detergent pack with a University licence...COSTS A FORTUNE !

laughs...laughs...laughs...laughs...laughs..laughs...laughs

Red faced ? YOU BETTER BE !
ch.c
written by João da Silva, August 25, 2010

Funny that you are not willing to provide either the state or the city of your residence. But that is fine for me. Just surprising.


Nein, mein Kamaraden. If you had paid more attention to my posts in the past, you would have discovered the facts a long time ago. BUT...BUT...BUT..., you were more interested in BR-163.smilies/cheesy.gif.

Quite a fishy and smelly and stinky statement.
Because what will/would that change ?


Keeping the Turkey in suspense.smilies/cool.gif

Do you know something, ch.c? You remind me so much of a colleague of mine (A Brasilian & Cartesian)) with whom I lost touch years ago. We always traded insults, but at the end of the day, got the f**king job done..THE RIGHT WAY.

As for your name calling of Simpleton & the Americans in general, I just want you to know that I have plenty of Yank friends, trade insults and at the end of the day, we are friends. Great people to negotiate rationally . As for the Europeans (barring you, to give credit), most of them I have come across are boring, selfish, condescending, patronizing and to quote Ron Dumbsfeld "Old Europeans". Your buddy, Sarko is a typical example.smilies/wink.gif

BUT...BUT...BUT.., if you have any objections to my comment, please do not hesitate to address them to Simpleton and if he does not respond to you, I suggest you take your complaints to the U.S. Consulate General in Geneve. No response? Take them to Bang-Key-Moon.smilies/grin.gif
Your buddy, Sarko is a typical example
written by ch.c, August 26, 2010
Wellll I agree. I Never Ever said something nice about him.

As to Europeans being selfish, condescending, patronizing, may I suggest you to refer to Robbing thousands comments during his 8 years tenure ? smilies/cheesy.gif

Outside of Sarko, I agree Blair/Brown and now Cameron were/is not any better.


But...but...but
At least you have never ever heard such comments from Our Presidentssssss that we change yearly...in my country !
They never tell the others what to do ! And our President doesnt has the FIRST PLACE, DAILY, in our medias, contrary to Obama, Cameron, Sarko and....Robbing Hook more like 3 times a day, plua his weekly Coffee with the President much similar to Chavez, sadly !

None of the Presidents in Europe have their weekly MEDIA SHOW + their numerous daily appearances and references in the medias.
Do you know some...outside Robbing Hook and his cousin Chavez ?
Sorry to tell you but this happens only to Dictators disguised in Democrats !

Thus as much I agree with you for some Europeans, I must say that your comments make me laugh when coming from a brazilian like you.
Even Sarko...never ever criticzed openly and publicly Brazil.
Robbing Hook did it...endlessly for 8 yearsssssssss !

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As to the Fluffy Gringos, dont worry because I bet I like them even more than you. They are so stupid and easy to beat.

Last but not least
I cant stop laughing and laughing and you dont know why...yet !
Here is why :
No later than 2 days ago..texto...
"L'un des hommes politiques les plus influents du Japon, Ichiro Ozawa, a reproché aux Américains d'être "simplets". Plus directement, il a avoué de surcroît ne pas aimer les Britanniques."

"Pourquoi les Américains sont-ils si simplets? J'aime les Américains, mais ils sont un peu comme des organismes monocellulaires", a dit M. Ozawa lors d'un séminaire politique à Tokyo."

"Je ne pense pas que les Américains soient intelligents"

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and for the Rednecks

"Je n'aime pas les Britanniques", a-t-il dit sans fioritures.

And who is this Jap ? He was the One behind the year ago PDJ party winning the elections. And he may be the Next President. Time will tell...after the 14 September elections there !

Funny that MY VIEWS ARE EXACTLY THE SAME !!!!!


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ch c, you are hilarious....
written by asp, August 26, 2010
it is really super funny listening to a guy insult brazil and the united states, two countries that sent brave young men to their deaths fighting the tyrany of the nazis and facists a long ways across the ocean

where were the swiss ? getting filthy rich off blood money

and here we have a filthy rich swiss hurling insults by the dozens, at brazil and the united states, from a country that just didnt have the guts to stand up for the right thing

and trying to imply that their tunnels and pilots would have won the war single handedly if they got attacked.....

can it get any funniar than that ?

that makes you sound like a bad joke, ch c

what is the use of being filthy rich if you are a yellow belly coward ?

ill stand with the brazilians and americans any day of the week

please keep your stiff jokes coming because i need a big laugh

ahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh
where were the swiss ?
written by ch.c, August 26, 2010
NEUTRAL if you did not know !


Laughs...laughs...laughsd...laughs

And where is America today with their war in Afghanistan and Irak ?

LOSING AND HUMILIATED ! You cant even win a war against poor peasants ! And this despite having spent a good trillion dollars.

Laughs...laughs...laughs....laughs !

And where did America end up in the Vietnam war against North Vietnam peasants ?

LOSING AND HUMILIATED !

Thus you are free to stand behind LOSERS, as losers you are whatever you do. JUST HAVE A LOOK AT YOUR SELF DESTRUCTION IN....REAL ESTATE !!!!!!! U.S. median homes prices at US$ 180'000.
Whoaaaaaaaa !
And at the peak ? 260'000 dollars. Not much even then...poor Fluffy Gringos !
Enjoy your HUMANS foods recalls, foods recalls, foods recalls.
You even had HUNDREDS OF PETS FOODS RECALLS.

And Enjoy your hormones grown beefs, chickens, turkeys and swines !
Enjoy your GMO grains !

Big Tits, Big Rears, and Triple Bellies are growing too in the USA males !

Keep printing, printing, printing MONEY ! wHAT ELSE CAN YOU DO ?

Laughs.....laughsd...laughs

NEXT RECALL ? The losing U.S. army from Irak. To be annouced very shortly (next week I believe) from the Oval Office by Ohhhhhhhlala !

Ohhhhh and probably by October, Fluffy Gringos are going to announce their NEXT QUANTITATIVE EASING !
What is a Quantitative Easing ? PRINT MORE MONEY until proven otherwise.

Laughs....laughs...laughs...laughs !

Keep guaranteing 95 % (Yessss No typo) of your NEW mortgages by your Government.
This is a NATIONALIZATION of mortgages !
And with SUBSIDIZED INTERESTS RATES...OF COURSE !


Laughs....laughs....laughs !


And in the meantime those you pretend are filthy rich, WE THE SWISS, keep having a balanced budget, A low unemployment rate,
just having had our historical record TRADE SURPLUS in July, a strong currency despite having low interests rates, booming real estate prices in opposition to you the losers, etc etc etc !

You chose the camp of the losers, so losers You are. Normal.

I chose the camp of the winner, and winner I AM !!! Normal too.

Laughs.....laughs...laughs...laughs !


One always harvest what he seeded. As true for winners as for losers ! And this is wether You the IDIOT AND LOSER ASP like it or not.
Common sense always WIN sooner or later !

Laughs...laughs...laughs...laughs !

Even the Afghans told the Fluffy Gringos....YOU HAVE THE WATCH, WE HAVE THE TIME !

Laughs...laughs....laughs

RED FACED, BLACK FACED, PALE FACED, RAINBOW FACED ?

YOU...BETTER BE !

And over here I continue......laughing...laughing...laughing !

Just refer to my above thread on the high Jap official who said 2 days ago "Americans are Simple-stone and MONO CELLULAR ORGANISMS"
BUT HE LIKES THEM !

Me too I Looooovvvve Americans ! So easy to beat them at their own games ! Even poor peasants afghans can !

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Fluffy swiss
written by Simpleton, August 26, 2010
The fluffy swiss lawyers in brasil I've had occasion to deal with seem to be "in-line" with some of Joao's comments, at least in regards to dealing with me:
1. but at the end of the day, got the f**king job done..THE RIGHT WAY
2. Great people to negotiate rationally.

Not a typical days work for them. Probably because I was as ch.c says "simplets" and "so stupid and easy to beat". Stupid because I was not operating from the position of trying to rip anyone off or jew them neither up nor down from fair and honest prices / not attempting to gain an undue level of profit nor to deny one. I'd be a billionaire by now if I had always conducted myself operating from those premises. Never aspired to be one and I find it much easier and less time consuming to go for the throat and get done what needs to get done and move on. I think they call that progress. Brasil is progressing rapidly even if you think your historic stats and the political faux paus routinely commited in front of the cameras demonstrate otherwise ch.c. Long ways to go yet? Yep, undeniably but be patient.
The fluffy swiss lawyers in brasil I've had occasion to deal with......
written by ch.c, August 26, 2010
1. but at the end of the day, got the f**king job done..THE RIGHT WAY
2. Great people to negotiate rationally.

But....but...but....is your story even true ?
I have my doubts despite your compliments.
Could you spell the name of your swiss lawyers in Brazil and their law offices ?

And I tell You what I smell not right :
Why would an American uses a Swiss lawyer in Brazil, to deal in Brazil, unless it is for tax evasion purpose ???????

My point is this :
Would I, a Swiss, go to a French/Brazilian or Japanese lawyer in THE USA, if I want to deal in the USA ?
And the answer is NOOOO WAY !
But this is what apparently Simple-stone did.

I would do one of the two things

a) if the swiss laws are involved
then I would take a Swiss lawyer in Switzerland and an American lawyer in the USA. And simply stated all Swiss lawyers have their reliable correspondents in the USA (or elsewhere), thus no need even for me to find one American lawyer, unless I chose and impose one to my Swiss lawyer IN SWITZERLAND.

b) if the swiss laws are not involved
then I will chose an American lawyer but certainly not a Swiss/Japanese or Dutch lawyer IN AMERICA who knows a lot less in American laws than an American lawyer !

Hmmmmm hmmmmmmm not clear at all the Simple-stone "true" story.

Re-read and think about it !

And even if Simple-stone used a swiss lawyer in Brazil for whatever type of "estate planning", He exposed himself to a risk, as small as the risk is. Because NOW Someone IN BRAZIL, a few Brazilians employees of the Swiss lawyer in Brazil...KNOW MOST EVERYTHING EVENTUALLY !

WHOAAAAA ! OR GULP !!


Oral society
written by Simpleton, August 26, 2010
Yes, it is a very oral society and everyone eventually knows everything even if you wished they not. On that front, you can bet whatever you do or say will make it to the far end of beach before you do!

The fluffy swiss lawyers were lawyers with whom trusted brasileiro friends had relations and no Swiss laws were involved, only brasilian ones. Would you have preferred a Brasilian brasilian lawyer be involved? I think NOT, regardless of what the business was all about. With most of what you repeatedly post and alter ever so little you remind me of an idiot savant, glad I was blessed with brainpower not so limited as that of a cartesian.
tax
written by Simpleton, August 26, 2010
BTW, your crude attempt to find me guilty of tax evasion shows just how much of a low life you really are. No wonder your JV is in trouble. Suggest you try some simple good business practices, "avoid taxes", "accelerate income" and "defer expenses".

As of now you've got me wondering. We always thought it was your bad experience with a brasileira that turned you so vicious and spitefull towards brasil - something you have never denied. Maybe it was you got caught in a tax cheat and or other underhanded dealings and got yourself permanently kicked out?
ch c , blaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh
written by asp, August 26, 2010
you repeat yourself and your figures so much you sound like a stiff robot on speed meth.....

does the word STIFF come to mind ? blahhhhhhhh

winnder ? because ive been in this marvelous country and the wonderful culture and incredible sensuality....ive put 5 extra years on to my life !!!! im going to live 5 more quality years because i am here, where if i lived in your cold stiff climate, even with all its anal correctness and good health care and balanced budget, im sure id lose 10 year of my life from boredom....from people like you....ahhhhh

hahahahahahahahahahaha

laughs laughs laughs

you would give your left nut to live the life i have...
neutral ??!!
written by asp, August 26, 2010
oh man, that is something you are proud of ? facing the most tyranical horrible human behaviour ever registered in human history, and, brave young american and brazilian men gave their lives to make the world free, and you are proud to be neutral ?

let me tell you , stiffy, you can put all the conflicts since world war 2 in a basket, all the ones you blame america on for bad things or for deaths , or perceived losses , and it doesnt amount to a hill of s**t compared to what was at stake for world war 2....

this was human destiny, at its most powerful...

and , switzerland was neutral !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

you f**king f**k, where the f**k are you coming from ?

laughs laff laf blaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh

you pussy
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written by João da Silva, August 26, 2010

Some more crumpets and coffee, boys? smilies/wink.gif
f**k no, joao, bring out the hard stuff !!!
written by asp, August 26, 2010
cmon ch c

please copy and paste for the umteenth billionth time about the iraq war, aghanistan, vietnam, and the amount of zeroes in the brazilian money, and, the same cliches about what you think is wrong with brazil ...

its the same phrases every time....please, for gods sake, do it one more time because i am in need of my ch c critique fix...

but , more than anything , godamnit...BUY LOW AND SELL HIGH !!!
i mean , you do copy and paste that s**t, right ?
written by asp, August 26, 2010
i mean f**k, what a task to write the same thing over and over, the very same thing about these subjects...

please tell me you have it copied and pasted...

no one could be that stiff to just repeat the same stuff over and over for what?..years now....

you makin money but loosin your mind...
oh man, that is something you are proud of ? facing the most tyranical horrible human behaviour
written by ch.c, August 26, 2010
But...but...but since then.....GRINGOS....REPLACED...GERMANY !!!!!


Yesssss....who on earth invaded the most countries or created the most warsssss after WWII ?

Yesssss....and who has TODAY 50 or more FOREIGN military bases ?

Ohhhh and who killed massively their own Indians natives...in America...in the good old days ??????
And who packed these Indians NOT KILLED...IN RESERVES ?

And who imported millions of slaves from Africa ?????

FEEL FREE TO ANSWER....SWITZERLAND.....IF YOU WISH !!
That will still Not make You right, wether you like ot not.

Lets face it, You GRINGOS are still officially at war with North Korea...for decadessss ! Nooo peace treaty, Noooo ceasefire were ever signed as of TODAY !

Thus did you WIN that war ????? Nooooo
Did you win in Vietnam ??? Noooooo
Did you win in Somalia ?????? Noooooo
Are you winning in Afghanistan ??? Noooooo
Are you winning in Irak ????? Nooooooo

These wars when added together provoked HOW MANY KILLINGS.....in Your estimates ? not only on soldiers defending their soil, but also on civilians killings, called collateral damages !

Lets face it, all these wars YOU created were only for the purpose of an economic stimulus, followed by another economic stimulus and so forth....IN AMERICA !!
CONGRATS TO KILL HUNDREDS OF THOUSANDS PEOPLE ELSEWHERE JUST TO STIMULATE YOUR ECONOMY !!
And a 100 % guarantee that America will never ever ever disclose the true estimates of people YOU KILLED at every of these wars. SECRET DEFENSE ???? NOOOO ! SECRET OFFENSE, SADLY !!!

You even denied INITIALLY the existence of your foreign prisons where torture is....the daily reality !
Such as Abu Ghraib prison in Irak !
And not from me.... "Three of these are well-known: a secret prison within Bagram airbase, reportedly identified as “The Hangar” ; and two secret prisons near Kabul, known as the “Dark Prison” and the “Salt Pit.”

Ohhhh ASP, by the way...have you ever found yet ONE GRAM of WMD in Irak since your 2003 invasion and one gram of bin Laden in Afghanistan after your many years of looking and your trillion dollars or so spent for Irak and Afghanistan ?????

Ohhhh and dont worry these are not the last 2 wars America has started. After all America will need others economicsss stimulusssssss....in the coming years ! Guaranteed !

Be proud of your flag ! In several decades you will have created as many wars as the number of stars in your flag !
continued
written by ch.c, August 26, 2010
Eventually YOUR HISTORY THAT IS NOT THAT OLD AFTER ALL YOU ALREADY HAVE STARTED AS MANY WARS THAN THERE ARE STARS IN YOUR NATIONAL FLAG !

You already invaded more than once HAITI, but other countries as well in the Caraïbes, South America and Africa !

Would suffice to count them all.

And if we add those you financed UN-OFFICIALLY, then Noooo doubt you have been involved directly in more wars than the stars in your flag !

And during these same 2 centuries or so ...MY COUNTRY....ZERO !

We preferred to build our local infrastructure......instead of sending our troops outside the country AS YOU DID, STILL DO AND WILL CONTINUE TO DO !
And even during your peaceful time windows, sorry sorry but you still have your tens and tens FOREIGN MILITARY BASES to maintain and finance.
Somewhat funny in my view, because if you look at your local infrastuctures...welll it is going older older and older if they exist at all !
Yesss...on if they exist at all.... :
- The only wealthy nation without a high speed train. In fact the World Wealthiest when taken as a nation.
- In America it is the norm to have a private generator at home and even in your buildings, if the local POWER utility has a deficiency. CORRECT ?
WELLLL...WELLL NOT OVER HERE ! Nooooo private generator for 99,5 % of our homes or even buildings ! Even our chalets in the mountains are linked to an electric grid. And our power utilities rarely rarely have deficiencies !!!!! THUS NO NEED FOR PRIVATE GENERATORS !!
- And about our ROADWAYS, look by yourself in Your World CIA factbook : SWITZERLAND 100 % (NOT EVEN 99 %) PAVED.
THE USA ? 65 %
And let me add this.....And much better paved HERE !

And I am not even talking about tunnels, airports, dams, nuclear power plants, and railways grids yet !

Brazil, South Africa may as well have their high speed train as early or even earlier than the APPARENT WEALTHY AND DEVELOPED USA !
Sadly.
China has it, believe it or not. They are negotiating a 30 billion dollars loan to South Africa to build theirs !

And in the meantime the USA spend the money they print print print at economic stimulus disguised as....necessary warsssssssss !

Lets face it even your ADSL grid is more than poor and not available in some part of your country !
Somewhat similar for your airwaves for mobile phones. Even in cities the contacts may be missing depending of your Communications Providers !

In short......the USA is an emerging nation but not in the right road ! The wealthiest emerging nation but not a developed nation !
And Developed minds dont create wars to provide them an economic stimulus !

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No wonder your JV is in trouble
written by ch.c, August 26, 2010
More than doubtful !
Even more so when coffee prices are at a multi years HIGH IF YOU ONLY TOOK CARE OF LOOKING AT COFFEE PRICES !!!!

But as I said time and again Idiots and Simple-stones are always 10000000000 % sure that right they are !
It is like pretending that oil companies are in financial troubles when oil is above 100 dollars per barrel !

Thus your insinuation keeps me entertaining !

And concerning your apparent Swiss lawyers in Brazil, funny despite my request you did not provide their names or laws offices so that a double check could be done.....if they even exist...these swiss lawyers that you "apparently" used !
Good lawyers deserve to be known, especially in Brazil, as per Joao recent comments in another thread on real estate scams in Brazil !

Hmmmm....hmmmmm !
please copy and paste for the umteenth billionth time about the iraq war, aghanistan, vietnam, and the amount of zeroes in the brazilian money
written by ch.c, August 26, 2010
Please tell me when I copied and paste on these subjects !!

Please do, if you can ! I bet you wont and cant !
and continued for asp
written by ch.c, August 26, 2010
i UNDERTSAND THAT MANY TIMES BRAZ-ZEROES AND GRINGOS PREFER TO FORGET THEIR PAST ACTIONS !
wAYYYY TOO SHAMEFUL !

What about THE ACTUAL.....GRINGOS WARSS ?
NOT A SINGLE DAY WITHOUT NEWS FULL OF LIES IN THE U.S MEDIAS and reproduced in the World medias of course !
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written by João da Silva, August 26, 2010


Dear ASP & Simpleton,

I have never met or been in touch with a Swiss in my whole life before, until I came across Komrad.ch.c. I am sure you being Americans know several of them.

My question: Are all the Swiss like ch.c-Friendly,courteous,objective,neutral,etc; etc;etc;?

Look forward to your clarifications.smilies/cheesy.gifsmilies/grin.gif

Cheers.smilies/cool.gif
ch.c
written by João da Silva, August 26, 2010

Homework to you:

Please read the first two articles in the sister magazine www.Brazzilmag.com and the first article in this magazine and come back to comment under the article of Luiza. Just to remind you, Simp and ASP are our allies. But...but... they are too "neutral" to my taste.smilies/angry.gif
ch cy
written by asp, August 26, 2010
ever hear of south korea, cheeky ? they would have been swallowed into north korea style communism if the usa hadnt fought there . if you cant grasp the reality of what that means, then you are stunted in the brain...

the most armed conflicts since world war 2 have been caused by islamic fundimentalism ...in your blind "look mom, i flunked 101 history" point of veiw, it is nothing short of pathetic...

yeah, vietnam was bad, but fighting communism, you know cheeky, the ideaology that killed and eliminatged 20 million in the soviet union ,and, starved more in china trying to implement wonderful communinst back to the campo policies , was not bad. and with the fall of the soviet union, who like the japanese imperial army and the facist nazi's , wanted to destroy the usa ,and the capatilisation of china, who have no relation now to what original communism was supposed to be, it just shows that it was nescasary to stand up to that ideaology , and its leaders who really did have eyes to conquer the world...

if you want to see that from the blinders of your limited point of veiw, be my guest

all these bitches including the islamic fundamentalists wanted to destroy the usa, so,they can kiss my ass

now ive been bored to s**t, reading on this blog, how the usa is going down the tubes, ive been waiting for the money to crash, the civil war to start, the popcorn from dnb is getting stale waiting for all the grade d bulls**t ive been hearing from you and all the others about what is going to happen but just hasnt yet, and, you all look like s**t

same for the rooters of brazil to go down. you say over and over again about all the zeroes, but the money just aint going down, the country just keeps growing and lula will go down in histroy as a great statesman...so what the f**k, it all is getting the consistancy of diarea of the mouth

so go ahead cheeky, say anything you want, run your statistics, im enjoying the f**k out of my life not being in switzerland

joao , ive known only a few people from switzerland,even travled there for business a while back, and lets just say, this is just internet cyber boo boo going back and forth...im sure ch c is a fine sucessful individual, and beleives in the country where he lives in,...and could probably make me a lot of money...its just on the internet, it aint nothing but bulls**t ( must be slow business now for him to be coming in with so many of the same statements all over again and again and again...)
there aint a mother f**king country on the planet whose s**t doesnt stink
written by asp, August 26, 2010
it just makes me laugh at the people who put down brazil or the usa on here

there isnt a country on this planet whose s**t doesnt stink, or if it doesnt they are small and just waiting for another hitler to ground out their insides and turn their internal guts into the conquering countries will

so kiss my ass, bitches
there isnt a country on this planet whose s**t doesnt stink
written by ch.c, August 26, 2010
Welll said...including THE USA THE MOST !

Of course idiots like you never answer to the specific critics, always avoiding the sad REALITY !

But let me ask you this....dear Idiot :
Dont you agree that America will have a much lower trade deficit and why not a trade surplus if it would devalue its currency by another 50 % from now ? Of course that right I am.

Welll and this would have a multi years effect even if the dollars would recover....finally !

Wellllll this is what Brazil did from 1998 to 2002 : devalued their currency by 75 %.
75 % being 2 times 50 % in reality. Because 100 divided by 2 equals 50 and 50 divided by 2 equals 25.
Now you have already devalued by less than 50 % against a basket of your largest trading partners. Thus you still have room for another 60 % OR SO devaluation, before you would be equal to what Brazil did.
And read this......I am not even referring to their previous addiction of erasing zeroesssssssss !

Hmmmm....hmmmmmm and life goes on.

Outside of this, since it is too shameful for you to talk about both your previous and actual warss, then lets talk about your actual economy and the next few years ahead.
I can only suggest you to read the following article written today by an American, not a filthy Swiss like myself.
The assumption are neither overly optimistic as Ohhhhlala pretends for his "following years budget deficits", nor as pessimistic as bears pretend.
Stilll....quite dark and full of specific and worthy details and common sense.

A MUST READ

http://finance.yahoo.com/news/Deficits-Taxes-and-Faulty-tsmp-1399420689.html?x=0

And you could as well be under this Fair scenario of course.

Tighten your belt...Fluffy and Fatty Gringos !
You are all going to be on a strong diet, high, middle and even low income people.
You are cornered at your own filthy game.
You seede weeds for yearrrrsssss, now its time to harvest Your weedsss.

You have already nationalized un-officially your mortgages.
Just read what Bill Gross, a smart American not a filthy Swiss like me, said very very recently, when invited by Ohhhhlala administration to give his views and advice of how to take your real estate meltdown out of its muddy river !
Available free online, suffice to surf.
And if unable to do that, feel free to ask, but first do a small effort once for this year.

Laughs...laughs...laughs...even when idiots americans like ASP or Simple-stone are red faced due to their anger against ME, A FILTHYX SWISS !!!!

That wont change a decimal of what is going to happen in the not too distant future !

But you will feel so much leaner and well...AFTER YOUR STRONG DIET !
NO DIET ? No problems for others. You will have to get a much stronger and even lenghtier diet....later !

UP TO YOU ! Your destiny is in your hands. No one force you to do tit or tat contrary to what you want others do !

With Loooove for your tomorrow or after tomorrow diet !

Christ Cartesian
A Filthy Swiss

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i could loose a few pounds....
written by asp, August 27, 2010
cmon cheeky , dont play the victom here....

i never said you were filthy , i just said you all didnt rise to the occasion when world destiny knocked on our doors...and just to let you know that if you are going to make bulls**t statements about brazil and the usa, i can make bulls**t statements about switzerland

i swear, you run off at the mouth so much about switzerland's superiority its a sure sign of insecurity on your part...

i actualy dont have anything against switzerland, only idiots that pack bubble gum pop, based on movies, as arguments about history , and think its the truth

you are the one who sounds like you got your degree of history from a detergent pack

just ask yourself this question, without american and brazilian help in world war two, where would europe be now?

without nato, where would europe be now ?

and like i said, all the s**t that happened since world war 2 is just a drop in the bucket compared to what was at stake in world war 2

and personaly, i dont give a f**k if you want to bash the usa and brazil, i let 50 of your posts that said the same thing pass and not feel the need to respond, i just got tired of the robotic drone and monotonous repetition of your really tired analysis.

i mean, my f**king god, you repeated the same post two or three times in one thread and stated the exact same thing two or three times in another thread...pretty much the exact same post about brazil or the usa...

i mean what the f**k, go ahead and say the same things over and over and ill be sitting around with dnb's stale popcorn waiting for this total colapse of america and brazil

even with your brilliant financial figures and facts, you cant predict what will happen in the future, you just dont know...
asp
written by João da Silva, August 27, 2010

cmon cheeky , dont play the victom here....


That is because he is French Swiss.smilies/wink.gif

Nevertheless, thank you so much for defending the honor and glory of all the Americas.
ch.Coffee
written by Simpleton, August 27, 2010
Other than Santos, sold as more or less a staple type coffee in the states, I don't know of any Brasilian coffee making the grade - maybe your JV is or soon will do okay in the premium market in Europa on a sustainable basis but I doubt it - bitter is not better. Perhaps someone has finally trained your JV's brasilian slaves to eliminate most of the quarks, that, or you have a 100% or higher technology import offset and have brought in machines to be doing that on site, or you are re-processing to get those bitter bastards out of the product somewhere off-shore someplace but not quite as cheaply. Swiss quality and value added has to come at a cost somehow, somewhere. If it is simply not there, ch.c, then you'll find yourself eating crow and getting kicked out eventually.

Free the slaves!
Simpleton
written by João da Silva, August 28, 2010

Free the slaves!


OMG, you don't know what disservice you did to us.I bet Komrad ch.c is going to lash at the Americas for not yet freeing the slaves.smilies/cheesy.gif

I still remain "neutral" in the conflict between Switzerland and good ole U.S. of A.smilies/cool.gif
Directed
written by Simpleton, August 28, 2010
@ch.c, he is a freaking hipocrita. He's the one behind the JV that has possesion of the slaves I was referring to and you and I both very well should be in fear of his lashings smilies/angry.gif
Junior Varsity
written by Simpleton, August 28, 2010
1) Yes, ch.c's JV harvests their coffee plantation 100% by machine.
2) Yes, ch.c's JV culls out the immature beans and quarks 100% by automation.
3) Yes, ch.c's JV has never (and will never) be the cause of any havoc being rendered upon the land nor have any impact on biodiversity.
4) Yes, ch.c's SWISS product is HIGHLY value added and it's QUALITY far superior to everyone else's and will forever be so.

1) + 2) does not equal 4)

1) + 2) means ch.c is not the master of any slaves in the neighborhood that such a plantation might happen to know about but does nothing. Swiss Neutrality ne'?

3) has yet to be proven either one way or the other in a brasilian court so with lips closed he can maintain the status quo more or less in purpetuity (or until a less corrupt regime is in place).

I think the pigs he feeds with the waste product are probably more profitable to him. Selling those more or less locally (regardless of their end destination) and avoiding the taxes is no doubt part of his ploy.

100000000% right is ch.c or maybe that number is better claimed by his favorite pig - they are highly intelligent ya knowsmilies/grin.gif
Simple-stone "Other than Santos, sold as more or less a staple type coffee in the states,"
written by ch.c, August 29, 2010
You have just proven ONE MORE how idiot you are and that you dont even know what you are talking about.

FACTS
- Overall, Brazilian Coffee is ranked as LOW QUALITY, thus command a LOW PRICE !
- Colombia Coffee, for comparison, FOB PORTS, commands a premium price of 30 to 70 % over Brazilian Coffee !
- My JV farm doesnt produce Cheap Brazilian Coffee, but HIGH PREMIUM ! We are the only producing THE BLUE HAITIAN in Brazil !
- Better yet, our beans are sold at a higher price than the Haitian beans.
- In Santos and MG the average production per hectare is 10-20 sacs. Because it is NOT irrigated and grown in hilly areas most of the time.
- In Western Bahia, not only is the weather better, but the land is flat and there is plenty of underwater available. Thus many brazilians producers have themselves moved to Western Bahia.
- They moved to Western Bahia, YESSS but...but...usually to grow their cheap beans.
- Using pivots centers for irrigation, in Western Bahia the per hectare production jumps to 60-80 sacs from 10-20 elsewhere.
- Agreed that it costs a hell of a lot of money MORE DUE TO IRRIGATION AND PIVOTS CENTERS COSTS, but on the other hand the per hectare land price is/was was much cheaper than in MG or Santos.
And just as true for whatever beans one produces even for brazilians producers.
- Our beans, wholesale Europe, command a premium of 3 TIMES the Brazilian coffee beans. Reality being that in a way our beans could be called CHRISTMAS COFFEE, since it is at Christmas time
consumers do their biggest "folly" of the year.
- As to our slaves workers farm as you pretend, they are free to go next hour if theys want. And find a job elsewhere if they can & at 60 % LESS than what they earn at our farm. MORE SIMPLE THERE IS NOT.

NOT OVER
- Our workers LOVE us, in view of their wages and working conditions when compared to FILTHY BRAZILIANS PRODUCERS !
- oUR BRAZILIANS competitors locally, hate us, criticize us because WE PAY TOO MUCH our workers....they say !
- They even are 10000000 % sure that in view of what they see in our MODERN & COSTLY production farm & HIGH SALARIES THAT.... WE CANNOT MAKE MONEY ! IMPOSSIBLE THEY PRETEND. They pretend we do all this ONLY for tax credit in our country. Ahhh....ahhhhh !
They even have stolen a few of our beans, grew them and tried to market them ! With zero success, confirming their suspicion...in their view !

Wellll...who wants this coffee that no one knows locally ? NO ONE, except at a cheap price.
And they go through intermediaries...of course ! Intermediaries who are going to squeeze these producers.

And WE with a big smile, tell them welll...THEY ARE RIGHT¨....WE DONT MAKE MONEY !!!
And lets make them 1000000 % sure...that right they are.

THE MORE CERTAIN THEY ARE, the HIGHER the certainty is that THEY STOP STEALING AND PRODUCE...OUR BEANS !

IN CONCLUSION
- IDIOTS LIKE SIMPLE-STONE ARE 100000000 % sure that the Swiss Watch makers are NOT profitable, since Chinese/Taiwanese/Japanese watches are as good and so much cheaper than the Swiss watches !

SO DO OUR BRAZILIANS COFFEE BEANS COMPETITORS !!
Hummm...humm !!!!!



Laughs....laughs....laughs.....laughs....laughs....laughs

And for Simple-stone...better to work for a Swiss watch maker than for a Chinese or Taiwanese Watch maker...UNTIL PROVEN OTHERWISE !
Thus your critics dont even irritate me. You just entertain me quite well in fact.
AND DO YOU REALLY THINK HALF A SECOND THAT NESTLE IN BRAZIL HAVE SLAVES WORKERS IN THEIR PRODUCTION PLANTS AND UNDERPAYING THEIR EMPLOYEES COMPARED TO BRAZILIANS COMPETITORS ?????

Hummmmm....hummmm !

P.S. and up to you to check what I pretend to be FACTS on brazilians beans quality, Colombia premium prices over Brazil, per hectare production in Santos, MG AND WESTERN BAHIA, etc etc

IT IS ALL AVAILABLE FREE OF CHARGE FOR IDIOTS WHO COULD AT LEAST SURF THE WEB !
Suffice to spend some time if interested you are instead of assuming your assumptions are 100000000 % RIGHT, BUNCH OF IDIOTS AMERICANS FROM SOUTH TO NORTH !
ASP *just ask yourself this question, without american and brazilian help in world war two, where would europe be now?"
written by ch.c, August 29, 2010
Welll for europeans the same as if the USA did not invade the many countries it invaded !

You invaded Irak and Afghanistan. Right ?
Are they better today than before...in your view ?
But yesss yesss they will do a lot better AFTER YOU will have gone....for sure !

You invaded Haiti more than once. Are they better today than before ? Are they better after you FREED THEM AS YOU PRETEND ????
wELLLL...HAITI IS STILL TODAY AND EVEN BEFORE THE JANUARY EARTHQUAKE....THE POOREST COUNTRY IN THE WESTERN HEMISPHERE !!!!

PROOF THAT YOU DID NOTHING GOOD BY "FREEING" THEM AS YOU PRETEND...IN REALITY !
JUST WORSE, SADLY !

During WWII, Spain was also at war... BUT WITH ITSELF, not with germans.
Welll they resolved their problems WITHOUT THE EUROPEANS, BRAZILIANS OR AMERICANS !!!!

My point is this :
- even without Americans, Brazilians (funny.......you forgot to mention Africans and Russians...Ein-stein ASP) the war would have ended anyway one way or another...BUT simply later than it did !!!

This apart what have Americans and Brazilians done with their
INDIANS NATIVE ???? PLEASE PLEASE ANSWER FOR ONCE !
HAVE YOUR ANCESTRORS, THE EUROPEANS NOT DISCOVERED THESE LANDS...AND PUT A NAME SINCE THEY HAD NO NAME ANYWAY ?
You stole their land, KILLED MANY OF THEM, and parked those YOU DID NOT KILL IN RESERVES....ÜNTIL PROVEN OTHERWISE !!!

And both of you have imported millions and millions of AFRICAN SLAVES...NOT THE GERMANS OR EUROPEANS.... UNTIL PROVEN OTHERWISE.

AND YOU WOULD NOT HAVE UNDERSTOOD WHY, LETS SAY ASIANS, WOULD HAVE ENTERED AT WAR WITH AMERICA OR BRAZIL TO DEFEND AND FREE THESE INDIANS AND AFRICAN SLAVES !!!!
RIGHT OR NOT EIN-STEIN ASP ?
Because i REMIND YOU that it was
Christoph Columbus that discovered the AMERICA. Thus there is Nooooo reason, in a way, why you ARE NOW.... INDEPENDENTS !!!!
I also just remind you that THE AMERICA was cut in 2 by Spanish and Porutguese to avoid a war between themselves. The treaty was Spain will have one part and Portugal the other part.


YOU SHOULD BE PORTUGUESE OR SPANISH NOT BRAZILIANS OR AMERICANS...JUST AS INDIANS BECAME AMERICANS.
AND AMERICANS SHOULD BE SPANISH JUST AS Amer-Indians became BRAZILIANS !

This seems contradictory but it is not in view of your stupid question.
Since Humanity exist humans have created wars wars and wars and new borders new borders and new borders.
Thus talking about one in particular HAS ZERO VALUE...without talking ALSO about the others BEFORE AND AFTER... WWI OR WWII !


TO MY KNOWLEDGE BEFORE WWII THERE WAS WWI. RIGHT OR NOT EIN-STEIN ASP ?
And to your knowledge were America and or Brazil helpful one way or the other ???
Wellll the war ended anyway.
And countries involved in WWI HAVE NOT CHANGED THEIR NAMES TO GERMANY...to my knowledge !

Proof that your question "without american and brazilian help in world war two (+ africans and russians you failed to add), where would europe be now ?" has ZERO VALUE except for idiots like the Ein-Stein ASP or Simple-Stone.

Wellll because in answer to your stupid question my answer is.... still Germany, France, Poland, UK, Spain, Portugal, Italy...Switzerland, etc etc just like.... after WWI !

I draw your attention that WWI was just as deadly if not more than WWII (except for jews who then were not killed during WWI)

Brainwashed people like you and many others are just blinded by their education and propaganda readings !

After I answered IN LENGTH to YOUR questions, hopefully YOU will answer about Indians and africans slaves in YOUR HISTORY...AND that are STILL TODAY TAKEN FOR THE THIRD CLASS CITIZENS AND FIFTH CLASS SALARIES & JOBS.....WHENEVER THEY HAVE A JOB...WHICH ALREADY IS FAR FROM CERTAIN...EVEN BEFORE THE CRISIS..AND EVEN MORE SO IN BRAZIL THAN IN THE USA !

WITH IMPATIENCE I AM WAITING !
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written by ch.c, August 29, 2010
And during all these centuries and many many many many, invasions after invasions. genocides after genocides,
WE THE CHWISS (smilies/grin.gif) remained NEUTRAL and adamantly will remain so unless we are invaded.
WE ARE AGAINST WARS..... THUS WE HAVE NOOOO INTENTION TO INVADE ANYONE, NOT EVEN LUXEMBOURG, ANDORRA, ISLE OF MAN, MONACO,THE BAHAMAS, TOGO, BENIN OR A SMALL ISLAND IN THE PACIFIC ISLAND !

WE ARE NOT THE USA PRETENDING TO BE AGAINST WARS BUT CREATE ONE WAR AFTER ANOTHER WAR...UNDER WHATEVER PRETEXT JUST TO CREATE WARS TO PROVIDE LOCAL ECONOMIC STIMULUS IN....THE USA !

AND WE HAVE NO INTENTION EITHER TO HAVE MILITARY BASES OUTSIDE OF OUR COUNTRY...UNDER WHATEVER PRETEXT.....CONTRARY TO LYING AND CHEATING FLUFFYA GRINGOS.

AND WE NEVER BUILT EMPIRES BY CREATING COLONIES AS EUROPEANS DID FOR SO LONG ! UK did, France did, Italy did, Portugal did, Spain did, Belgium did, the Netherland did, Russia did.

And still today there are some relics such as the French Overseas Territories, The Dutch Caraïbeans islands, the UK protectorates such as the Falklands and Gibraltar where the EUROPEANS too have their MILITARY BASES, SADLY !!

And the USA too also has put Puerto Rico in their nation.

Ohhhh Ein-Stein ASP and Simple-stone was the Republic of Texas and the Republic of Hawaï NOT ANNEXED BY YOU ????
AND STILL ARE---IF I AM NOT WRONG !
Thus your question what would HAVE happened to Europe..if...if....,
welll eventually Southern Europe would not be in the sh.t as they are now and always were. THEY WOULD BE MORE PRODUCTIVE AND WITH LESS BUDGET DEFICITS AND LESS DEBTS TO GDP IF GERMANS THEY WERE...NOW !


IN SHORT.....Just go back to YOUR OWN FILTHY HISTORY FIRST before looking elsewhere.
Yesssss....here is your first lesson, free of charge :
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States

When America creates wars....it is JUSTIFIED AND RIGHT...PRETEND THE FLUFFY GRINGOS ! But not when the others create wars !
Wellll....welllll....that is the dichtomy of the USA. Sadly.

OVER HERE IN CHWISSERLAND WE CRITICIZE... ALL WARS, BUT WE ARE NOT GOING TO BE INVOLVED IN WARS....UNLESS WE ARE INVADED !

And this is wether the WARRIORS AND INVADERS, Europeans, Americans, Arabs or Africans (not any better by the way) or Asians LIKE IT OR NOT !

And we are going to shine and be successuful in whatever we do.
Regardless of our SECULAR currency strength WE WILL REMAIN WITHIN THE MOST COMPETITIVE NATION !
Because a country with secular currency strength FORCES THE SOCIETY TO BE MORE IMAGINATIVE AND COMPETITIVE THAN SOCIETIES WITH CURRENCIES ON A SECULAR DOWNWARD TREND !

TOO EASY to devalue its currency to become more competitive, and that is what Europeans, UK included, africans, asians, north & south americans do....ALL THE TIME...time and again !
EXCEPT GERMANY AND CHWISSERLAND !

Europe, America and elsewhere had trillions dollars of budget deficits for an economic stimulus.
WE PROVIDED NONE, and we not only suffered less, but our recovery is overall stronger than all europeans countries !

Wellll as idiots as we are, we just do the opposite of what THE APPARENT SMART COUNTRIES DO !
Everyone now is on raising taxes....therefore WE the idiots...REDUCE TAXES !
And we still have a balanced budget, while those SMART raising taxes still have mega budget deficits !
And when the time is right, we the idiots will allow ourselves to have a small budget deficit, raising by very little the debts to GDP.
But still having a much lower A) budget deficit B) much lower debts to GDP....than the others !

Ahhhhh...ahhhhhh ! Who can beat us...long term ?
We have Nooooo need of a 4-5-6-7-8 % economic growth rate.
THIS IS UNHEALTHY financially, economically, environmentaly and just as unhealthy for....a quality infrastructure.

ALL OF YOU should re-read if not done yet the fable...the Hare and the Turtle from Jean de la Fontaine.
The Hare did not win.

And you should read as well the fable....the Ant and the Cricket, from the same author. The end says "Well done, my dear friend,
Now you can also dance”
That fable would explain, in a way, trade deficits, budget deficits and currency devaluations !

OVER HERE, NO DOUBT, WE ARE THE TURTLE AND THE ANT !
And we have nooo intention to change.

Wellll....and... and... and the Hares and the Crickets have noooo intention to change either. Despite their songs saying....this time is different...that they sang already so many times in the past.

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continued..and end
written by ch.c, August 29, 2010
With my usual sarcasm here is one more :

Last friday, Bernanke spoke from Jackson Hole. Correct or not ?

Wellll....from where else could he have spoken ?

From nowhere else if imagination you have !

This said hopefully (but I doubt) none of you believed that the stock market went up due to his speach re-assurances !

Tskkk tsskk.

Reason was this :
"The number of individual investors who have a bullish outlook on the stock market for the next six months plunged to 21 percent, from 30 percent last week, according to a widely followed sentiment survey.
What's more, this is the lowest weekly reading from the American Association of Individual Investors since a March 2009 level of 19 percent, which occurred just before the S&P 500 collapsed to a 12-year low of 676.
The contrarian view of many professional traders out there is now that four out of five retail investors have given up, it is time to buy.
"It's a good sign that a short-term bottom is in," said Peter Boockvar, equity strategist at Miller Tabak in New York.
The only problem is that individuals typically throw in the towel after getting knocked out by a bear market. You can call this a T.K.O."

Me too I added to my positions....as a contrarian.






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idiot ch c
written by asp, August 29, 2010
it is really really hilarious when biotches like you atribute african slavery to the united states of america when it was going on for more than a hundred fifty years before, started by europeans influenced by arabs who imported many millions more african slaves than were brought to the americas...

once again, your history is from a detergent pack...

you cant get any more dumb than that

and world war one was horrible but the death numbers in world war 2 out strip it as the most violent conflict the world has known..

again, you flunk, it gets really tired to read your endlessly long insecure posts that are so flawed....

such blatent ridiculas statements

you are wasting my time in history , cheeky...its just now your forte ...
now of course means "not" your forte
written by asp, August 29, 2010
if you are going to blather on for paragraph after paragraph of soft diarea,i better hold my nose, because , you stink
asp
written by João da Silva, August 29, 2010

once again, your history is from a detergent pack...


Do you mean to say that our Komarad ch.c found his degree from Université de Genève in a detergent pack? smilies/shocked.gif
Glad to be of service
written by Simpleton, August 29, 2010
Me too enjoy your entertainment (the times you don't just regurgitate) and never once have I been given doubt about your stats - as an idiot savant in that areana it simply does not go to reason that your perfection of one thing and one thing only would be unimpressive.

Nestle uses slaves? You are right of course that they do not but then again you have not addressed the monkeys they use in the harvest instead which they also treat more humanely than loss leader plantation owners like you. Biggest worry is the natives still likes to eat them and that cuts into the profits! Think they haven't taken measures from time to time on that and other impingment matters a la Dorothy Stang?

Again, let us know about the 100% mechanical harvestors and automation you have brought on site for picking and processing your low quality flat land product grown from premium genetic stock. Although your marketing folks have jeitinho brasileiro for fooling the idiots in europa, do you really think they will not catch on in the long run?
actualy, joao
written by asp, August 29, 2010
ch c's ideaological blather about switzeland being against all wars belies the dirt ugly blood money from the gold teeth and gold watches from dead jews exterminated from nazi gas chambers...

it really tarnishes their "neutrality", and, i wouldnt trust a discusion on how the world works from someone coming from a country that didnt have the moral fiber to stand up against facism of the nazi's when the worlds destiny depended on brave young men and women making the sacrifice ...

"oh what would have happened would have happened but would have just taken longer..." what the f**k is that ? what a dickhead way to look at the world , coming from someone raised in a country that doesnt have the moral fiber to stand up to the defining horror of the century in their own back yard.a country that had people welcoming the blood dripping gold coming in.

no wonder ch c can toss out flunking bubble gum pop mis representations of history of countries and slavery and points of veiws of world wars

f**k, the united states was founded and 86 years later they abolished slavery and had a bloody civil war with the people who wanted to secede to keep slavery going

that hardly equals the europeans who started the african slave trade to the americas, and, perpetuated the horrors for the first century and a half.

most united states whites didnt own slaves or benafit from it. many white northern americans went and died in the civil war thinking they were going to fight to free the slaves (even though that wasnt why the union government was really fighting, but the southerners were fighting to maintain slavery)

yet idiots like ch c want to blame slavery on the united states of america

what the f**k do you expect from the logic of someone in a country that was yellow bellied in world war 2....the truth is, ch c , you cant say dick s**t about any countries history...go take a crap

what a bunch of warmed over diaria
africans and russions in world war 2...
written by asp, August 29, 2010
well, who the f**k is denying what they did ?

just because i mention that brazil and the usa had young men dying in world war 2, you think i am saying no one else did ?

what the f**k is wrong with people these days arguing this s**t ?

i call this internet blog era of looking back and describing things in histroy like world war 2 "the punk bitch way of seeing history "
blood relations
written by Simpleton, August 29, 2010
asp, perhaps Liechtenstieners have it hands down over the switzers on all fronts? If there's no profit in it it will not be continued seems to be the motto. Neither will stand a chance of defending themselves and their vaults of gold when the flood waters come. The islamists don't take prisoners, not even backboneless ones. Want a PC-9 or PC-12 equipped with armaments? Let's talk.
Again, let us know about the 100% mechanical harvestors and automation you have brought on site for picking and processing your low quality flat land product grown from premium genetic stock.
written by ch.c, August 29, 2010
Welll as I said dear IDIOT AND LAZY GRINGOS, suffice to surf the net...if you can of course.

As to the quality and price of our beans, rest assured that they remain similar to Swiss watches compared to Chinese watches.

And like Swiss watch makers we established our own distribution channels up to wholesalers here and bypass the many brazilians intermediaries contrary to brazilians producers.

Ohhh and in Western Bahia a few brazilians farmers produce Premium beans, similar to premium Chinese watches. But still PREMIUM coffees compared to the low average in the country.

Concerning wars, WE THE SWISS, know perfectly that warriors will always do wars and that America are the most addicted to wars by now, until proven otherwise.

Yesssss how many wars have you started ONLY After WWII ?
QUITE MANY...in 60 years only !

Not counting those you did between WWI and II and not counting those you created before WWI.

You are the country on earth that created by FAR FAR FAR the most wars since you became a nation around only 200 years ago or so. SADLY TRUE !

Ohhh and about the africans slaves and europeans.....sorry sorry AND YESSSS YESSS.....YOU are talking about YOUR OWN ANCESTRORS if white YOU are & can go back long enough in your genealogy.

BUT CERTAINLY NOT...MY ANCESTRORS !

Serial killers rarely admit their many crimes and pretend they are innocents. So do the USA FOR WARS THEY CREATED !
And Serial Killers do tend, ON PURPOSE, to have a short memory. Guess why !


Ohhhh my....ohhhhh my !


LAUGHS....LAUGHS....LAUGHS !
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written by ch.c, August 29, 2010
and concerning American quality of consumers goods and foods

Enjoy your eggs recalls, your many many regular human foods recalls and even your many many regular pets foods recalls.

And even your Johnson & Johnson reputation tarnished by 11 recalls of medicines, contact lenses and hip implants in as many months. And in fact many more than 11 since JNJ announced "J&J plans a public campaign to help rebuild their trust, but not until after about 40 recalled nonprescription medicines are back on store shelves sometime early next year"

WELLLLL THIS IS THE AMERICAN STANDARDS OF HIGH QUALITY PRETEND THE FLUFFY & PATTY GRINGOS.
A true....WAY OF LIFE...FOR PRODUCTS RECALLS !
The American way of life.

Last but not least, eventually you paid attention to the classified reports made public recently by Wikileak, that stated that your drones are not as efficient as publicly said.
But chuuut it HAD TO remain....CONFIDENTIAL AND CLASSIFIED.

Ohhhh my...ohhhh my !
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And enjoy your hormones grown.... beefs, chicken and swines.
Now you defecate like your swines, sing like your chickens, and eat GMO corn like your beefs.
And NOW you have huge tits in your rears, hips and bellies.

Lets make a standing ovation for....IN AMERICA WE DONT TRUST !

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Moeda de golpe
written by Simpleton, August 29, 2010
Yeah, ch.c easy for you to just say go look on the web - where's the links you usually post when you are being cornered like a rat?

When you have fotos of your 100% mechanical harvestors in action and automated bean sorters we MIGHT accept you as not being a slave operator as you purport you are not. Okay to accept that since Bahia has ports, you are not routinely cheating of inter-estadual taxes. Export taxes on your raw materials is another matter. Mind showing us the payroll taxes to prove your points? Until proven otherwise, you are not only as smart as your pig, you are craftier than illegal euro trash in brasil making their way in the informal economy.
Simpleton
written by João da Silva, August 29, 2010

When you have fotos of your 100% mechanical harvestors in action and automated bean sorters we MIGHT accept you as not being a slave operator as you purport you are not.


You might accept the photos of the Mechanical Harvesters, Automatic Bean Sorters, etc, as proof that he is not a slave operator, Simpleton. BUT...BUT....I want photos of him with some pretty little "operadoras", guaranteeing that he treats his servants well and not like slaves. I also want to know if he pays their wages in cash and not in "kind".
Hmmm
written by Simpleton, August 29, 2010
fotos of "Operadoras" being satisfied with their work and non-chit payment means in the wild wild west of Bahia? Guess it's past tea time and you've gotten on into the hard stuff there Joao. CHC hasn't / won't / (maybe can't) go there since the early 80's so he would be out of the picture in any case. The swiss do have a knack for "injun"uity though so maybe they've got special adaptations and attachments for the machines that do the trick in lieu of decrepit old dusty CHC's making sure they are treated properly and being kept satisfied. You can surf the web for that if you have interest.
SORRY IDIOTS......
written by ch.c, August 29, 2010
cAN YOU SHOW PICTURES OF YOUR URANIUM ENRICHMENT PLANTS, SECOND TO NONE ON EARTH ?????
Or do you also expect me to show you my bank account statement for you to see what I am REALLY WORTH ?

Idiots like you will continue for eternity to be 100000000 % sure that right they are.

I WILL NEVER EVER TELL YOU EVEN the precise location of our farm, suffice to know it is in Western Bahia !

And YOU are free to believe EXACTLY WHAT YOU WANT.
This wont change 1 centavo to the price of our beans, high or low.
Neither the value of our farm that we are presently negotiating for sale.

And this is wether you like or not !

Aside of this, pictures of similar coffee farms in Western Bahia using pivots centers for irrigation are plentiful in the web.
So are articles on the benefits of growing coffee beans there rather than in Santos or MG.
AS I SAID....SUFFICE FOR IDIOTS TO SURF THE WEB...IF THEY CAN !

But there is coffee beans and coffee beans just like there is watches and watches. BUT NOT NECESSARILY AT THE SAME PRICE ONE TO THE OTHER...IF YOU DID NOT KNOW YET, BUNCH OF IDIOTS !



Ohhhhh and about Irak RECONSTRUCTION WITH money gringos spent, here is an article, dated This Sunday and not written by myself, a filthy CHWISS :
http://finance.yahoo.com/news/AP-IMPACT-US-wasted-billions-apf-4048894300.html?x=0&sec=topStories&pos=1&asset=&ccode=

Typically Americans...QUALITY..... as usual !
And not much better locally in the USA....by the way !
Not built to work and not built to last, just as everything built by Fluffy and Patty Gringos.

And as to America real estate meltdown here is another article, dated also This Sunday, and also not written by me...the filthy Chwiss :
http://finance.yahoo.com/news/How-Pimco-Is-Holding-American-minyanville-2306738131.html?x=0

Enjoy your readings.
RED FACED DUE TO YOUR ANGER TOWARD ME ?
Better be red faced about Yourself.
Re-read once more the fable....the Ant and the Cricket.
Because now the Ant is telling the Cricket....NOW YOU CAN ALSO DANCE !

And do I am red faced ? OF COURSE YESSSSSSS...SO MUCH I LAUGH !


But...but...but dont worry you are not going to starve, just struggle some more !


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relaxa e goza
written by Simpleton, August 29, 2010
Stop denegrating yourself kind sir and saying you are filthy, only c**kstina has any right to do that.

I missed entirely your posts in the other thread where informed of the plans to sell out. Boa Sorte pra Voce!!!

As to your wealth, who cares? Showing that your brasilian payroll tax remitances are all entirely on the up and up and in-line with the number of empregadas estimated to be needed to operate the plat as you do / did is adequate.

Yes, fotos on the web show western bahia to be much like most semi-desicated cropland everywhere in the north and south americas. Did your bean plantation strip what was wild and woolly before you arrived or did the euro emmigrees from times long past do that before you bought it?
ch.c
written by João da Silva, August 29, 2010

I WILL NEVER EVER TELL YOU EVEN the precise location of our farm, suffice to know it is in Western Bahia !


A smart decision not to do so, ch.c,for obvious reasons. I think it is another smart move to sell it and control the wholesale outlets in Europe.

As for your tirades against the Americans like ASP, Simpleton, etc;, just remember that they are also the victims of the propaganda machine just like us.

Once you sell your farm and liberate your supposed slaves, in two years time they would feel "saudade" of their old owners. As I have said many times before, there is no point in shedding "Crocodile Tears" for the "Trabalhadores", which the politicos do regularly and with glee.

I can write for hours about "Capitalism with Conscience" which is a pet topic of ASP. BUT...BUT...BUT..., I will be bashing my head against a concrete wall. So would you be.

So my advice to you is the same as the one given by Simpleton:

relaxa e goza

I think it is another smart move to sell it and control the wholesale outlets in Europe.
written by ch.c, August 30, 2010
NO !
We do not control the wholesale outlets in Europe, we sell beans to them.
And we are not only in discussion to sell the farm, but the whole operations, meaning including the other foreign companies that do the storage in Italy and also the whole existing & prospective clients list.

And yessss I stay relaxa e goza !
So much that eventually (probably?) this week the deal is done.

So 2 GOOD news are probably very close
1) Like last year I will disappear.....for a good while (or for ever this time) from this site. No doubt that many will be happy.
2) But...but....but not as happy than me. I will travel again quite a lot, in many countries as per envy and mixing up mostly pleasure & eventually business (again looking for RE prices in the USA)
3) And I have absolutely Noooooo animosity against whoever on this site, even with those my sarcasmsssss were the most virulent.


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On the road
written by Simpleton, August 30, 2010
You can still keep us idiots informed of the stats and trends as you see them while you are jaunting about the globe chc. Buy yourself a laptop while you are in the states (our economy and my stock holdings could use your assistance) and tap in from time to time. I too will disappear for quite some time very shortly. Not for business or pleasure but for my health. When I return in about six months time I hope things will be much different on the positive side.

Last I heard cropland prices in northern and central Iowa are still holding. The old families still are not letting go even when the younger generation has few who desire to continue. The brasilians looking to add to the breadth of their umbrella are still probing around too so you may find stiff competition.
ch.c
written by João da Silva, August 30, 2010

1) Like last year I will disappear.....for a good while (or for ever this time) from this site. No doubt that many will be happy.


If you disappear forever, it will be considered as treason by many "technocrat" fellow bloggers.smilies/angry.gif

2) But...but....but not as happy than me. I will travel again quite a lot, in many countries as per envy and mixing up mostly pleasure & eventually business (again looking for RE prices in the USA)


Are you going to some "Cú do mundo" where there is no access to the Internet?smilies/shocked.gif

3) And I have absolutely Noooooo animosity against whoever on this site, even with those my sarcasmsssss were the most virulent.


Here, you are playing the role of the victim.smilies/cheesy.gif.

Regardless, before you "disappear", please do say bye to all.smilies/sad.gif
ch c, i have absolutly no animosity at you , either
written by asp, August 30, 2010
but god damnit you dick head (but with no animosity), i had relatives that worked on the underground railroad helping slaves !!!

im getting the f**k out of here too , too unrealistic about brazil and the world...so many conspiricy theories and extremly poor representations of real history and what is really going on in brazil now...

ill leave this forum in the hands of the great tea and crummpets master server...joao da silva...ahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh

ah what the f**k, ill probably check in once in a while...

but, good luck to ch c and simps if they are gone, and costinha where ever he is ..

yeah, ch c, no animosity,too bad i couldnt get your financial expertise to help my company instead of bantering bulls**t back and forth

SPECIAL MESSAGE FOR JOAO
written by ch.c, August 30, 2010
You have Noooooooo Idea how much and deep....I LAUGH !

Was I not talking about.... the Ant and the Cricket ?????

Wellllll.....did you know that your ex Minister Palocci wrote his memoir in 2007 with the title....About Ants and Cicadas ?????

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READ THIS - A MUST
http://noir.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601108&sid=ajHh.x_QA0rQ

The second surprise is this :
You know by now my esteem for (P)resident Robbing Hook. Right ?
Wellll...may be....I may change my mind for Dilma.
Pay attention to the article.
Was it not what I was saying----for YEARRRRS ?
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And to Simpleton,
Good luck and all the best for your health.
Hopefully it is not too serious.
My heart and good thinkings are with You.

Sorry for your offer but I certainly have nooo intention to have a laptop stolen with a high degree of certainty in the many countries I will go even more so with some datas and confidential files.
I will thus have my USB with me. The World Most Secure, and also very choc resistant.
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If you travel often, then have a look at ironkey.com ! Simply the Best...as Tina sang (sung?) ! smiles
And I will use PCs WHEN AVAILABLE.....which is most of the time anyway.

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Boat anchor
written by Simpleton, August 30, 2010
Understood about not lugging the boat anchor along on your journeys - ditto for me and for all the same reasons plus the weight and encumberment it represents. Land, sea or air there are pirates everywhere.

The Brietling and all jewelry stay home as well and it is rare that the cell or camera go along on the favela hopping forays. Unfortunate regarding the camera - fotos you wouldn't believe could have been shot!

I lament that the health will curtail that activity - I will go no farther up in than the moto taxi can get me. Probably will end up just hunkering down in the cabana for the duration - no doubt for no more than a couple haieyes I can always get a strong garoto to phyically carry me there and back should that be necessary - right now the limits have not yet been tested.
ch.c
written by João da Silva, August 30, 2010

SPECIAL MESSAGE FOR JOAO


Thanks for the "special and decoded message", ch.c.smilies/wink.gif

The link you posted explains a lot. Especially the almost 180 degree turn the "respected" and "traditional" national press have taken over the past few days.

I am also laughing out loud, especially when I remember the question I asked under Augustus´s article: Is she really a socialist ?smilies/cheesy.gif BTW, nobody bothered to look at the profiles of the Vice-Presidential candidates as I have done.

What the heck? If SHE brings in "austerity measures", reduces if not altogether eliminates corruption and fights the organized crime, who knows I may change my opinion too! BUT...BUT...BUT...., too much hope on my part? As I say, I am skeptical of the political class as a whole.

Anyway, please do make sure that you keep in touch, not only at my request but also that of ASP & Simpleton.

BTW, I got a big kick when I read the first name of PIMCO´s CEO.smilies/wink.gif
Simpleton
written by João da Silva, August 30, 2010

I too will disappear for quite some time very shortly. Not for business or pleasure but for my health.


I wish you a speedy recovery from the ailment which I sincerely hope is minor. Once in a while you could pop by and say hello to us and keep us informed how things are going.
asp
written by João da Silva, August 30, 2010

ill leave this forum in the hands of the great tea and crummpets master server...joao da silva.


If you all are leaving, there is nobody to serve tea and crumpets to.smilies/sad.gif

Ah, hopefully Dr.Cata & Ederson would be back soon.smilies/wink.gif
Especially the almost 180 degree turn the "respected" and "traditional" national press have taken over the past few days.
written by ch.c, August 30, 2010
The New York meeting took place in MAY, not a few days ago !

And about your "what the heck if she brings austerity measures?"
wELLLL read again, reduce the BNDES subsidizes AND CUT THE TAXES AND INTERESTS RATES AND INFLATION ! VERY POWERFUL !
I am not saying she should cut loans subsidies to your FAMILY farmers.
she should increase them. Because for now about 90 % of the BNDES AGRICULTURAL LOANS GO TO COMMERCIAL FARMERS......AND ALSO TO ALL INDUSTRIES not only to agriculture.
Over here....nooooo sector oustide the agriculture and infrastructure are subsidized.
And we subisidize far more, for example per liter of milk, our mountains farmers than our plains farmers.
Hopefully she will also break your bankers vices for such crazy lending rates they have.

And for Simpleton on his stocks/company and my financial expertises :
written by ch.c, August 30, 2010

- I was a stock broker for 30 years for U.S. brokers. my advice to you is STOP BUYING INDIVIDUAL STOCKS.

INVEST IN U.S. MUTUAL FUNDS.....AS I DO, EVEN FOR THE HEDGE FUND I MANAGE. A FEW NAMES

1) LOW VELOCITY FUNDS/NOT BOND FUNDS PER SE BUT HAVE SOME OR A LOT OF BONDS

PRPFX - no load
OAKBX - no load

2) MEDIUM VELOCITY but still A LOT decently lower overall than the S&P Index

FAIRX - no load (named as the manager of the decade)
SGENX - load
SGGDX - load (gold fund)

3) HIGH VELOCITY
MCHFX - no load - best china fund for 5 and 10 years
EUROX - no load I believe /I dont pay them anyway. Russia fund
DFEVX - Global Emerging countries, but initial minimum is 2 mio.
thus you should find another one as good or close to as good.
RSP - an ETF - Indexed to the S&P 500 but on an equal weighting rather than on market capitalization weighting as the Index is.
So much better if you do a comparative return.

I do have a few individuals stocks but as I say....just to keep my mental masturbation alive. Very very low total allocation anyway despite they are all very large cap.
I also do trading in currencies, commodities, etc etc but not worth mentionning to you, it wont help anyway

I have other mutual funds....but...but overall I gave you the ones I like best...for an investor.
Do your own allocation as per your risk tolerance.
All these funds are JEWELS in my view.

Simple Rules
1) when the market is high - in your view - reduce the high velocity funds and add to the low velocity funds (or keep in cash for a while until an acceptable retracement DOWN takes place and then reinvest either in high-medium-or low velocity funds as you see fit). Markets go even higher ? Continue doing the same.
2) And do the opposite when markets are low in your view, namely reduce the low velocity funds and raise the medium or high velocity ones
3) THE NAME OF THE GAME IS....STEP BY STEP....BUT NEVER EVER A BIG PLUNGE/SHIFT IN YOUR DECISIONS !

All the above funds have tremendous long term HIGH ALPHA !
IN SHORT....TIME IS ON YOUR SIDE, WHATEVER HAPPENS AND WHATEVER YOU DO.
AND NONE OF THESE FUNDS ARE LEVERAGED...SO NOOOO RISK OF GOING BELLY UP...BY DEFINITION !

AND IF YOU WANT A GET RICH QUICK....THEN SPECULATE IN INDIVIDUAL STOCKS AND LEVERAGE THEM AS MUCH AS YOU LIKE !
But at that game never ever forget that over 95 % of speculators LOSE MONEY...SOONER OR LATER !
Ask Citigroup, Bank of America, FNM, FRE, GM, AIG, etc etc ....SHAREHOLDERS.
And this despite their management had and still have the most powerful economic/risk management computers models. Hmmmm Hmmmm !
oR EVEN GE OR UBS shareholders !
Was GE not ranked for yearssss as the World Best Managed Company ? YESSSSS
Proven by now ! Hmmmmmm hmmmmm. SO ONCE MORE...STOP BUYING INDIVIDUALS STOCKS !
jUST BECOME AN IDIOT AND SIMPLET STRATEGIST...LIKE ME !

And feel free to check by yourself their performances, over performances, their ratings and total return over X period simply
by going to
http://www.smartmoney.com/quote/OAKBX/?story=return&symbol=OAKBX
DO YOUR HOME WORK !


The biggest ratings change, over time, up or down, will obviously be the funds in the high velocity group.

And if you want to know my feeling about the stock market for the next 6-12 months from now, here it is for whatever it is worth :

MIXED FEELING ! NOT HIGH ENOUGH TO BE BEARISH, NOT LOW ENOUGH TO BE BULLISH !
Meaning I am relatively conservative in my allocations Low-medium-high velocity funds.
Market goes higher ?....great I will benefit nicely
Market goes lower ?....great and so what ? I have plenty of ammunitions to reduce my low velocity and increase my high velocity funds the lower the market will go !
DONT FORGET...STEP BY STEP...BUT NOT A STEP EVERY DAY OR WEEK !
MY NEXT STEP WILL BE AT ABOUT 960-980 or 1130 or so on the S&P 500, whichever comes first. Dont take my number as precise coming out from a secret blackbox. I dont have any !

And believe or not, not only I sleep well, my clients are happy, and I can still travel for a lengthy time and still have an eye on what is happening and decide if I want A NEW STEP !

And sorry to insist but you as a Gringo taken for a ride from your government, you better dont do too many step by step....in view of your SHORT AND LONG TERM CAPITAL GAINS.....TAXES !
Thus cool down your step by step dramatically unless YOU LOVE PAYING MORE TAXES TO OHHHLALALA !
Glad that over here WE HAVE NOOOOO CAPITAL GAIN TAXES and still have a balanced budget.
But not totally idiots, our states governments charge us a WEALTH TAX starting at a very low minimum.
So much more efficient to smooth their revenues compared to capital gains taxes.

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ch.c
written by João da Silva, August 31, 2010

The New York meeting took place in MAY, not a few days ago !


I know,I read it in the link. But...But..., in May nobody reported about the meeting and the domestic press was enthusiastically promoting Serra. I bet the press knew right from the start that he didn't have a chance!! Never mind, the politics stinks as usual.smilies/sad.gif

Hopefully she will also break your bankers vices for such crazy lending rates they have.


I don't think it is going to happen. I wouldn't be surprised if immediately after the elections, the congress reintroduces and passes a bill to bring the CPMF back with an increased percentage. In 2011 I forecast a credit crunch for buyers of white goods,cars,etc; I am not sure about the house loans (at this point of time you can get for about 8.5% a year).

Government not financing commercial farmers like the ones in MT? You got to be kiddingsmilies/shocked.gif

Anyway, the things will become clearer after the Carnival 2011. Until then the best thing is to "relax and enjoy".smilies/wink.gif
Loozer
written by Simpleton, August 31, 2010
Right you are, speculators will lose sometimes eventually. Not too worried about taking cap gains, I have enough carry over cap losses from GM to last me a good long while so the tax decisions don't matter for the time being.

Also right on taking a bit of time on the steps. Stupid loozer once again? My powder keg of king cash has already gone back into the fray so we shall see what happens but that's possibly some years down the road.
Joao
written by ch.c, August 31, 2010
Funny your predictions.
I am not saying you are wrong because its going to be things of the future but my views are basically the exact opposite.
Outside of eventually another SELIC increase, your SELIC rates are going to be lower. And you you can smell it from the recent slowdown. Thus of course you may have a slowdown in credits growth, but still a nice credits growth. NOT A credit crunch.

As to your house loans, thank you for the number always hard to get.
Wellll you also have proven that they are entually ALL government subsidized under one form or the other.
Because actually your SELIC is 10,25 % and your 10 years government borrowings are at about 11,50 %. Thus who would be stupid enough to lend at below government rates`?
Better to lend to the government with ZERO RISK at 11,5 % rather than lend at 8,5 % WITH RISKS on 10 years mortgages.
UNLESS instructed to do so by THE HIGHNESS !



But the answer could be worse yet......the CRAZY consumers goods or cars loans at 25-30-40 or 50 % finance the house loans. In such a case....consumers FINANCE the rates differential for normal mortgages rates with their own consumers borrowing rates.
That is MAGESTICALLY...IN THE REAR !

Anyway, a strange mental software ! smilies/grin.gif

This aside about Dilma, and as you said, time will tell !

And on MT, I dont really understand what you meant. I never talked about commercial farmers of one region or another.
But on your BNDES providing subsidized loans to MOSTLY ALL your industries, on top of your agriculture subsidizes.
Suffice to go to their internet site to see who can apply for a loan. I did, me the CHWISS, You did not, you the brazilian.

Funny isnt it ?
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Love Brazil
written by fernandopenas, August 31, 2010
Hey guys I may not understand much of economy and politics as to get in a forun and use terms I dont really know exactly what means and use it to offend other peoples nations.. I am brazilian and i am very proud of my Country dispite paying abusive taxe rate on my credit card. i lived in the USa for 12 years and in 12 years I held the same social/economical status I have here in my country, and dispite all the numbers and offensive remarks you guys make in this forum, I can make a real comparissom of living standards between Brazil and USA, and I have nothing to complain about my good Country. Off course Brazil has Rocinha but USA has Baltimore, we have some slums but hey..USA has projects filled with crime, crack and starving people that depends upon a well fare that is much lower than the bolsa familia. I dont see much diference, besidfes the fact that USA knows how to swipe to under the mat all its crap by showing others how their neighbors are.Its a great tecnique that even works on a social level. A good example and a good analogy for what I just said is: if you have a s**t stain in your pants and you are among a bunch of people and notice someone else has a dirt stain in the shirt the best thing you can do is get everyone to notice that guys shirt so theyr attention goes to that instead of your soiled paints... My Country is a great place to live in..I was legalized in the USA, and in 12 years could nt economicly upgrade as I did in the last 2 years in my beloved Country.. Let me say one thing to the Brazilians in this forun who makes such negative comments of their own country.. You probably dont feel good enough to be Brazilian.. If you do not respect your own Nation, your ground your safeplace, than you probably dont respect anything on this earth. You are a looser! The day when s**t hits the fan in this planet, which is not to far from happening, the only place that will protect your ass and your family's is Brazil...I love my Country...I would die to protect it becouse its where my family lives and I love them.
Besides, People from the USA likes sdo much to ridicularize my Country, but remember that while you guys are there strugling to live becouse your government can not stop spending money tyo kill people in middle east, we in our simple way of life are buying new homes and cars and electronics everyday and even with the astronomical taxes we pay we still manage to have a good and acceptable life stile..Stop basing your opnions on raw information.. Dont see a negative outlook video on youtube and start spreading it as if the whole thing is like this..
One more thing I know its very hard for you people to believe that we take 2 showers a day and we brush our teeths after every meal..maybe not everybody does shower twicwe daily but I am sure that daily shower is part of our culture and yes we do brush teeth after every meal...
well, im with you fernando....
written by asp, August 31, 2010
you got to realise that quite a few of the negative comments about brazil on here arnt coming from americans

to be sure there are a couple of americnas that have bashed brazil here, but, quite a few of the bashers arnt american

i love brazil and am happy to be living here

Luv Brazil
written by Mocha, August 31, 2010
I'm an American who fell in love with Brazil 9 years ago and if I had the money for a permanet visa would definitely move there. Brazil's problems are no worse than those in America and what I love about the Brazilian people is their warmth, friendliness and incredible beauty and sexiness. America is a rich but stingy country. The only thing the US govt spends money on is the war machine but there are millions of people walking around homeless and without healthcare. But the govt could care less.

A lot of Americans don't really have sh-t and are one paycheck away from being on the streets. At least in Europe you can fall back on some nice socialist benefits. Not so in the US. The govt taxes the sh-t out of you and you get nothing in return. If you have healthcare at all some fat azzed executive sits up in a corporate office and decides how much money to spend on you. If you're a minority group member or elderly you can forget it. They aint spending a dime on your butt.

If I could afford the permanent visa I would take the first thing smoking out of the States. Americans make negative comments about everything and everyone. Negativity is an American pasttime and even more so now that the country is in the toilet.smilies/grin.gif
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written by Simpleton, September 01, 2010
Even though we only visit, usually just once or maybe up to three times per year (four for me this year), for some time now we have generally thought of brasil more as "home" than where we grew up, where our house is, where our family and relatives are. Are there lots of negatives, most of which our brasilian friends are the ones to speak out against? Absolutely. It does not change our hearts. Observing and disssusing the problems and incorrect things is the beginning of change. We hope what we have seen for improvements over the past 6 years will continue. Permanancy? What the laws currently state and how it is interpreted makes that not an option for us, at least for now. I'm not going to make a minimum US$80,000 investment to start or buy a business that would qualify for the 5 years renewable investidor visa which would allow me to live and work in my own business with no annual time in country restrictions. Back in 2007 I would have but negoiations with the requisit brasilian resident partner did not pan out.

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written by fernandopenas, September 01, 2010
I think its fine to constructively criticize our own Country in order to look into our problems and recognize the weaknesses we have to better it. But we should be careful not to make ridicule of it. Brazil is the 4th largest Nation on earth, 8th biggest economy, 8th largest and more powerfull military, we hold the top ten positions in almost anything either positive or negative: but we are there. Some of us Brazilians fail to recognize the good things our country offers us. A good example is movies, I was checking on some Brazilian movies which is great productions, but I never hear anything about them, they are not divulged, in contrast, as soon as Hollywood releases a movie, you see the comercials everywhere.. For many Brazilians just the fact of something being made abroad creates a sense of being better. We should be proud of our country, our president, our government, becouse its ours. It may not be perfect, but is ours. Brazil has a great potencial of being the biggest power on earth, surpassing USA, but Brazilians choose a diferente route. In order to get the economical and military power USA holds, to much blood has to be shed and Brazil is a peaceful society, its one of the few things that Brazil feels proud about. We border 10 Countries, and most of them are problematic in their own way, however we live in great stability with all of them.
I dont even want to mention the natural resources we have. USA may have a large reserve of gold in the central bank, but how about Brazil who holds the largest in nature. Lets not forget the other minerals, uranium, iron ore, etc..Now we are heading to have one of the largest oil reserves, recently a natural gas reserve was discovered with the size of Bolivia..I would go on for hours mentioning all the things we have at home..I really hope one day every Brazilian will have a better living standard but not at the cost of the price USA has paid and is paying for to be CALLED great. Brazil is already great but will be greater in the future, always holding the same position its been holding: of peace and diplomacy, never taking from others to supply our own greed.
shame...
written by swiss gal, September 06, 2010
...errr, hi all, i am swiss... well genetically 1/2 swiss (with origins in holland) and i'm half british (1/16th irish and 15/16th scottish origin)... i grew up in lagos, nigeria and in the uk and in switzerland. my childeren are half of "my mix" and 1/2 brasilian with unknown exact proportionate mixutre originating from portugal, italy, middle east and africa and probably a few ???)...

shame that you should reduce yourselves to the level of communication that ch.c has. whatever his/her motives, and though i must assume "it" is human of some sorts... i must stress - definately not representative to the swiss nation in beliefs, values, mindset and attitude and so on as demonstrated here. like all humans - countries have their own biography, their own characters... each is absolutely unique...

all i can say is - i love switzerland for many reasons, i love brasil for many other... most of all i love people... and i love exchanging ideas with those who consider themselves citizens of this planet (conciously or unconciously) and go out every day to try and make it a little better... whatever and wherever that may be and however futile it sometimes may seem.

for all the time you spent online ch.c - you may actually have done something to make the world a little better. i go out every day and earn half of what i used to because i decided to become a social worker and support unemployed people - in swizerland... yes, in switzerland...

my question to ch.c - what did you do to make this world a little better today...? i see no evidence here that you have recently?

what happened? assuming you are a man - did you go to brasil and find a girl? or better - did she find you? did she seduce you and marry you and then leave you taking half of your pension scheme and now your'e here all alone to pay allemony while she has a great life in the tropics with your kid you never get to see or only if you succumb to her blackmailing you for more $$$ (in brasil this is called being an "opportunist" by the way)... eh? cummon... what happend?... sounds to me like you got bitten by a piranha and aren't over it yet... but i'm only guessing.

suggest to all to simply ignore ch.c from now on... and turn all your attention to content of real value... what would make usa, switzerland, brasil a little bit "better" (based on your values and beliefs) and what do you intend to actually do about it?

what made my day - and me a happier person - was to read about an old typewritter revived... it made me smile... it warmed my heart... thank you brasil for such stories... tomorrow i go out and approach some unemployed swiss with a warmer heart... and if we ever meet per chance... for you too ch.c *big smile* sincerely...

good lord! i hope he/she isn't bipolar or manic-depressive or something - god knows - after this - what happens to the next person who smiles at him/her... ;-) no honestly... i even love such kind... most facinating and interesting people there are... most are totally harmless...



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written by swiss gal, September 06, 2010
i'm confused about one thing... ch.c actually lives where? in ch or in brasil? if he or she is so swiss - why the heck does he/she live in brasil? would that make him/her a better "swiss" being a minority of swiss who don't actually live in their home country? or better brasilian being of swiss origin...???
what else comes to mind ...check "animal farm" by george orwell: rule no. 7 - all animals are equal... and later in the story "all animals are equal, but some are more equal than others".
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written by .., September 06, 2010

i'm confused about one thing... ch.c actually lives where? in ch or in brasil? if he or she is so swiss - why the heck does he/she live in brasil?


No need to be confused.ch.c is a 'he" and doesn't live in Brazil. His hometown is Bern and lives there for about 6 months a year. The other 6 months, he spends in Harare doing some consulting work for Bob.
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written by ---, September 06, 2010
The other 6 months, he spends in Harare doing some consulting work for Bob.


Bob also goes by the name of, Little Swiss Boy. When I say consulting, I mean CONSULTING! (and caressing, etc.)
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written by .., September 07, 2010
Swiss Gal,

I did not write the above comment. In case you don't know, Bob is the President of Zimbabwe and ch.c has been hired as his Minister of Finance.

P.S: During my next visit to Zurich, I´d like to meet you. What´s your phone number?smilies/kiss.gif
all crazy...
written by swiss gal, September 18, 2010
and who is ...? and ---? even worse that ch.c is from bärn. i think i will definately move to brasil now. to be crazy AND happy is normal there.

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written by .., September 18, 2010

i think i will definately move to brasil now.


Swiss Gal, that´s a great news and hence I don't have to spend money to travel all the way to Zurich to meet you. Gimme your flt number and ETA, so that I can receive ya. You can pad up with me.smilies/kiss.gif

Never mind ch.c. Who cares if he gets jealous with a blooming romance between us two?smilies/wink.gifsmilies/smiley.gif

Huggies & Kisses to ya.
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written by Fabio, October 22, 2010
"Recycling is so advanced in Brazil that even cemetery plots are recycled"

That's not true about the whole country.
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