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Brazil Might Enjoy European Living Standard If It Had Kept Growing as in the 60s and 70s PDF Print E-mail
2010 - August 2010
Written by Mark Weisbrot   
Tuesday, 31 August 2010 15:59

Copacabana Palace in Rio The biggest economic question facing Brazil, as for most developing countries, is when it will achieve its potential economic growth. For Brazil, there is a simple, most relevant comparison: its pre-1980 - or pre-neoliberal - past.

From 1960-1980, income per person - the most basic measure that economists have of economic progress - in Brazil grew by about 123 percent. From 1980 to 2000, it grew by less than 4 percent, and since 2000 it has grown by about 24 percent.

It would be difficult to exaggerate the importance of this economic "regime change." Of course, economic growth is not everything, but in a developing country it is a prerequisite for most of the social progress that most people would like to see.

If Brazil had continued to grow at its pre-1980 rate, the country would have European living standards today. Instead of about 50 million poor people as there are today, there would be very few. And almost everyone would today enjoy vastly higher living standards, educational levels, and better health care.

Was this a possible outcome? Absolutely. South Korea, which was as poor as Ghana in 1960, grew very rapidly like Brazil until 1980, but unlike in Brazil this growth didn't collapse after 1980. Today South Korea has the per-capita income levels of a European country.

The policies implemented over the last 30-years in Brazil have included vastly higher real interest rates, tighter (and sometimes pro-cyclical) fiscal policies, and massive privatizations.

Inflation targeting by the central bank has also slowed growth and led to periodic overvaluing of the currency, which hurts industrial and manufacturing growth and development by making Brazil's imports too cheap and exports too expensive.

And the government also abandoned most of the industrial policies and development strategies that had led to the country's prior successful growth.

Brazil has been named a "BRIC" country, but it is different from Russia, India, and China. From 1998-2008, the Russian economy grew by 94 percent; China by 155 percent; and India by 99 percent. Brazil grew by 39 percent.

There has been some significant progress during Lula's presidency, with cumulative per capita GDP growth of 23 percent, as compared to just 3.5 percent during the Cardoso years (1995-2002). 

Measured unemployment has dropped considerably, from over 11 percent when Lula took office to 6.9 percent today. From 2003-2008, the poverty rate fell from 38.7 to 25.8 percent, according to the UN Economic Commission on Latin America.

For voters in the October presidential election who are concerned about Brazil's economic future, a big question would be who is going to take the country forward and adopt the policies necessary to achieve Brazil's economic growth potential?

Who will stand up to the powerful private interests that oppose such changes - especially the financial sector, which favors high interest rates, slower growth, and an overvalued currency - and most of the major media? 

This will be no easy battle - but the outcome will have an enormous impact on the living standards of the vast majority of Brazilians.

The original title of this article was "Who Will Allow Brazil to Reach Its Economic Potential?" This article was published in Folha de S. Paulo, Brazil's largest circulation newspaper, on August 27, 2010. The Portuguese version can be found here: http://www.cepr.net/index.php/other-languages/portuguese-op-eds/quem-sera-capaz-de-levar-o-pais-adiante

Mark Weisbrot  - http://www.cepr.net/index.php/mark-weisbrot - is co-director of the Center for Economic and Policy Research, in Washington, D.C. and is president of Just Foreign Policy -http://www.justforeignpolicy.org. He is also co-writer of Oliver Stone's current documentary, "South of the Border," - southoftheborderdoc.com - now playing in theaters.

The Center for Economic and Policy Research is an independent, nonpartisan think tank that was established to promote democratic debate on the most important economic and social issues that affect people's lives. CEPR's Advisory Board includes Nobel Laureate economists Robert Solow and Joseph Stiglitz; Janet Gornick, Professor at the CUNY Graduate Center and Director of the Luxembourg Income Study; Richard Freeman, Professor of Economics at Harvard University; and Eileen Appelbaum, Professor and Director of the Center for Women and Work at Rutgers University.



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Inflation targeting by the central bank has also slowed growth and led to periodic overvaluing of the currency,
written by ch.c, August 31, 2010
More than funny since it refers to the last 30 years in which Brazil erased 2 times 3 zeroes, plus another devaluation of a 2,75 to 1 factor and since then ther BRL still lost slightly less than 50 % since its depeg.
Has Brazil such a strong currency ? Yesssss....but because it devalued FIRST by 75 % and then the currency doubled, Meaning still a 50 % devaluation since 1998 ONLY !

Because 100 divided by 4 and then multiplied by 2 = 50

I repear my previous question.....Is a currency (the BRL) sooo strong when it went down against another weak currency (the US$) by 50 % in 12 years ??????

Not in my view, but yessss yesssss as per the author of the article !

And I was very kind, to not take in account the 6 zeroesssss that were erased....since 1980...PLUS A DEVALUATION OF 66 % for the 2,75 to 1 factor in 1994 !
If no one understand what I mean with this 2,75 to 1 factor, reality is that when the BRL was pegged to the US$ AT 1 TO 1, it was not 1000 BRL that became ONE dollar, but 2750 BRL that became ONE DOLLAR !

Furthermore even more funny when criticzing the targeting of the inflation !
Not having done it would had simply erased some more zeroesssss....counter balanced by hyper inflation !

In my humble view Mark Weisbrot should change his job and become...A BAKER !
AND HIRE Joseph Stiglitz, who got Nobel Price in Economy. So great that in May 2008, in a conference sponsored by CNBC, he predicted with whatever "smart and clever arguments" that oil prices can only go UP even in the medium term of the next following months !
NO REASON TO GO DOWN AGAIN. NEVER EVER !

NOW WE KNOW HOW RIGHT WAS THIS NOBEL PRICE IN ECONOMY....JUNKIE !
No surprise that Stiglitz is on the advisory board of where the Baker is co-director, namely CEPR.
And not surprised either that nothing works smoothly in the USA, except the money printing machinesssssssss !!!!!!

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written by João da Silva, August 31, 2010

Good article. For a moment, I thought it was ch.c who wrote this article under his real name. Then I dismissed this thought from my mind for if it was ch.c:

a) The article would not have been so short!

b) He would would have explained why and how our economy grew at an average annual rate of 6% during the period the author refers to, with facts and figures.

c) ch.c is based in Geneve and not in Washington D.C!!!!

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ch.c
written by João da Silva, August 31, 2010

Sorry Komrad, we must have posted our comments at the same instant! you were faster by a couple of seconds. Will come back later to discuss your comments.smilies/cheesy.gifsmilies/grin.gif
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written by wiseman, August 31, 2010
Mr. Weisbrot has raised some interesting points - the abandonment of Industrial policy & developmental strategies. Also comments re. the Financial sector & Media. Some of the mass privatizations were a disaster.



wiseman
written by João da Silva, August 31, 2010

the abandonment of Industrial policy & developmental strategies. Also comments re. the Financial sector & Media. Some of the mass privatizations were a disaster.


You are right. Weisbrot is comparing pre and post 1985 eras and IMHO has launched a healthy debate. Financial sector and the media have gotten the priority over the production sector. Also don't forget the role of the "political managers".

Sometime ago, you wrote that the two largest countries in the "Americas" have similar problems (didn't you?). You are right on that statement too.smilies/smiley.gif
the abandonment of Industrial policy & developmental strategies.
written by ch.c, September 01, 2010
Normal....you had no more money.
Sorry....sorry....you had shipsloads of money....valued at next to nothing....explaining your erasing of 3 zeroes TWICE.
And could barely even repay your foreign currencies borrowings.
Because the higher the inflation, the higher the money printing AND AT THE SAME TIME the less your money was worth implying further money printing to pay back foreign currencies borrowing.

in fact the funny thing that NONE of you remember is that the Brazilian Government to halt the spiral of printing more more money to pay ONE dollar, a Gringo politician named Brady convinced the USA government to GUARANTEE the Brazilian Government debts.
These were called the Brady Bonds !
Issued in US dollars by the Brazilian Government,and where
- either part of the capital borrowed was guaranteed by the USA govgernment
- or the interets were guaranteed, but not the capital, were guaranteed by the USA Government.

Some of these bonds had very long maturities. The last maturity of the last of these bonds were for 2005-2006. Not so long ago.

IN A WAY....BRAZIL SHOULD HAVE AN ETERNAL THANKY YOU AMERICA, INSTEAD OF CRITICIZING THEM DAILY !


But....but....but...here is the other half of the story :
The Gringos HAD to do something. WHY ?
Because many U.S. banks were next to...BELLY UP !WHY ?
Because they had shipsloads of these Brazilians bonds (tskk tsskk not the Brady Bonds...the other regular Brazilians Government bonds in US$) in their books and were losing truckloads of money !

Thus slowly but surely these banks exchanged their regular Br.Govt bonds into these Brady Bonds. And through miraculous and magic accountings....they survived !

NO DIFFERENT THAN TODAY WITH THEIR TOXIC DEBTS STILL IN THEIR BOOKS, BUT MIRACULOUSLY AND MAGICALLY HIDDEN FROM THEIR ACCOUNTINGS.

This is what Gringos call GAAP - Generally Accepted Accounting Practices.
They should change the name to MAAP - Magically Accepted Accounting Practices.

And they may as well change what means the USA to THE UNITED STATES OF ANARCHY !

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ch.c
written by João da Silva, September 01, 2010
Read the contradictory statements you are making!

IN A WAY....BRAZIL SHOULD HAVE AN ETERNAL THANKY YOU AMERICA, INSTEAD OF CRITICIZING THEM DAILY !


Nobody bashed America (at least in this thread) so far, except you.

Then you scold America by writing:

And they may as well change what means the USA to THE UNITED STATES OF ANARCHY !


You are now branding the Americans as "Anarchists" smilies/shocked.gif

But...But...But..., I still standby by and support the succinct explanation of Wiseman in his first and the only comment. smilies/cheesy.gifsmilies/grin.gif
You are now branding the Americans as "Anarchists"
written by Peter King, September 01, 2010
I believe what he meant is that the "shell game ala kick the can down the road" financial policies of the failing Obama administration will lead to anarchy. I do not disagree with this premise and it saddens me.

NO DIFFERENT THAN TODAY WITH THEIR TOXIC DEBTS STILL IN THEIR BOOKS, BUT MIRACULOUSLY AND MAGICALLY HIDDEN FROM THEIR ACCOUNTINGS.

This is what Gringos call GAAP - Generally Accepted Accounting Practices.
They should change the name to MAAP - Magically Accepted Accounting Practices.

One could not characterize it any better and you are seeing good faith opposition to that. Unfortunately we are also seeing that the people whom disagree with this disastrous shell game are being labeled racists by true racists. When the racism label is used where racism doesn't exist...that is the lowest form of racism.
Peter King
written by João da Silva, September 01, 2010

I believe what he meant is that the "shell game ala kick the can down the road" financial policies of the failing Obama administration will lead to anarchy.


Now,now....now. You are the one who is defending Komrad Ch.c.smilies/wink.gifsmilies/cheesy.gifsmilies/grin.gif

BUT....BUT....BUT...., you have a powerful argument when you wrote:

When the racism label is used where racism doesn't exist...that is the lowest form of racism.


I agree with ya 1000,000,000 %

Cheers

bassackwards
written by Simpleton, September 01, 2010
"failing Obama administration" ... "it saddens me", Joao you really did not do your "all" to bring this poor soul, Pecking, out of his morass. The Obama administration will ultimately be sucessfull and everyone will be happy once again. I'll have a chat with Dilma after the elections, I'm sure she will have empathy and demonstrate deep and gracious amounts of kindness to show him the light that is hidden under a bushel.
Simpleton
written by João da Silva, September 02, 2010

Joao you really did not do your "all" to bring this poor soul, Pecking, out of his morass.


He doesn't seem to be a "poor soul",but...but...but... a person who is also "saco cheio" do politicos just like ch.c, you, me and several other "meritocrats". smilies/cheesy.gif

I'll have a chat with Dilma after the elections


During your "chat" with her, please remind her to kill the plan to buy French "RAFALES", would you?>smilies/sad.gif
negociations
written by Simpleton, September 02, 2010
Whether I can get her to consider taking a more sensible position than that directed by her master is somewhat of a dubious a proposition at best, you know that to be the facts OM. The brigadeiros that I took care of that have not yet retired / are still in position may or may not have sway either.
Simpleton
written by João da Silva, September 02, 2010

The brigadeiros that I took care of that have not yet retired


Hope those good folks continue to be in active service during the next few years.smilies/wink.gifsmilies/cheesy.gifsmilies/grin.gif
Structural adjustment programs...
written by awakeandalive, September 02, 2010
We can talk about zero00000000s and factors and devaluation numbers and move any of the numbers around to prove any preordained argument about what the actual numbers are and what has worked and what has not.Everyones numbers will be different because everyone sets different standards of measuring them against each other.
The facts are that the structural adjustment programs and other banking measures that were imposed on countries across the globe starting when Ronald Reagan used the IMF as a weapon against the developing world devastated the economic advances people had been making prior to their implementation. Those are the facts.
http://www.atypon-link.com/DH/doi/pdf/10.3790/vjh.69.1.53?cookieSet=1
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written by João da Silva, September 02, 2010

when Ronald Reagan used the IMF as a weapon against the developing world


Wasn't it the other way around?smilies/wink.gif
Acordo
written by Simpleton, September 03, 2010
Contrarian view Joao? If the media was not manipulating my thinking at the time, I seem to recall that Brasil was not the only country to effectively rape the people of the US that had provided them the majority of their funding via eventually getting themselves out of their original IMF reimbursment obligations.
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written by João da Silva, September 03, 2010

Contrarian view Joao?


Maybe so, maybe not, Simpleton. Brasil did not rape the U.S. during the period the author of this article mentions. Ask your "Brigadeiros" friends to get the real story.smilies/wink.gif
Principle
written by Simpleton, September 03, 2010
Correct me if my memory is faulty but I think I recall that yes, brasil repaid the principle but not according to the schedule nor according to the rate. Blame the raping of the citizens of the US for that?
Simpleton
written by João da Silva, September 03, 2010

Correct me if my memory is faulty but I think I recall that yes, brasil repaid the principle but not according to the schedule nor according to the rate.


Scroll back to the comment of Komrad ch.c about the Brady Bonds and you will get a better idea!

Blame the raping of the citizens of the US for that?


The citizens of the U.S. of A? No way. They are as gullible as we are.smilies/sad.gif

If you wanna clue of what I am talking about: Go back to the Nixon era! The "Rape" of the good ole U.S. of A started then, my friend. You really do not pay attention to the comments of your fellow Americans Forrest and Lloyd Cata (and ASP, Peter King, Adrianerik, Wisemann, etcsmilies/wink.gif

BTW, 2011 is going to be interesting for Brasil and U.S. of A. I am all set to watch the events unfold. smilies/wink.gif
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written by WTLB, September 03, 2010
No oil to read by . . .

I am off to bed

but ah! . . .

My moonlit pillow
SIMPLETON!!!!!!!!!
written by fried CHC, September 03, 2010


Take some time off...try to get some (.)(.)...



You are starting to sound like an idiot ...like the Chronic Herpes Carrier!!!!!

hehehe


CHC still sucks! Hahaha


Costinha
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written by awakeandalive, September 03, 2010
...copy and paste this for size if you want to discuss who was using weapons against who.
The IMF and it's plans were nothing but an attempt to enslave the developing world into the same scam that the banks play with average citizens...always keep the in debt.
And the other weapons that uncle sam used?...

copy and paste this little blood soaked reality:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Condor
Doctor's orders
written by Simpleton, September 04, 2010
Don't worry Costinha, getting plenty of (.)(.) is what the doctor ordered so I must comply!

Ch.c's half brother has an opinion of the IMF: http://www.capitalismmagazine....e-IMF.html

Where would our beloved country be now if sovereign debt restructuring (which ultimately cost the US citizens et. al. what they were due) had not been effected by the informal "bail-in" done by the US and IMF to end the 1990's financial crisis?
Simpleton
written by João da Silva, September 04, 2010

Ch.c's half brother has an opinion of the IMF


The half brother of ch.c is as good as ch.c! But..but...but.., you have to remember IMF is the half brother of your Federal Reserve.smilies/cool.gif

BTW, you haven't replied to my mentioning of "Nixon Era". Any comment? smilies/wink.gif
Shame and derision
written by Simpleton, September 04, 2010
The grade school "pole" where I grew up left me in the cold (or hot?) seat as I was a contrarian / not amoungst the majority in the mock, less than secret, "voting". You would have preferred McCarthyism?

Sorry Joao but as you well know the Federal Reserve, IMF and World Bank all own my ass and the cheats and corrupt in Brasil and everywhere have raped, pillaged and plundered a heck of a lot of us kind hearted souls. We're all stupid as Ch.c is kind enough to point out.
Simpleton
written by João da Silva, September 04, 2010

Sorry Joao but as you well know the Federal Reserve, IMF and World Bank all own my ass and the cheats and corrupt in Brasil and everywhere have raped, pillaged and plundered a heck of a lot of us kind hearted souls.


No need to apologize, Simpleton. Borrowing ASP´s "powerful" vocabulary, these M.F´s prey on people like us and take us for fools.

We're all stupid as Ch.c is kind enough to point out.


We are not all that stupid. Just belong to the generation that believed in work, saving & building things without getting indebted to anybody. We refuse to change our philosophy and that´s our problem.smilies/cheesy.gifsmilies/grin.gif
Here is another example of a seed planted by the generals in the 1970's that became a major success of the Brazilian economy.
written by Ricardo C. Amaral, September 06, 2010
Here is another example of a seed planted by the generals in the 1970's that became a major success of the Brazilian economy.

As the article said: “Embrapa is short for Empresa Brasileira de Pesquisa Agropecuária, or the Brazilian Agricultural Research Corporation. It is a public company set up in 1973, in an unusual fit of farsightedness by the country’s then ruling generals.”


*****


“The miracle of the cerrado”
The Economist
August 28, 2010

http://www.economist.com/node/16886442

More food without deforestation

Embrapa is short for Empresa Brasileira de Pesquisa Agropecuária, or the Brazilian Agricultural Research Corporation. It is a public company set up in 1973, in an unusual fit of farsightedness by the country’s then ruling generals. At the time the quadrupling of oil prices was making Brazil’s high levels of agricultural subsidy unaffordable. Mauro Lopes, who supervised the subsidy regime, says he urged the government to give $20 to Embrapa for every $50 it saved by cutting subsidies. It didn’t, but Embrapa did receive enough money to turn itself into the world’s leading tropical-research institution. It does everything from breeding new seeds and cattle, to creating ultra-thin edible wrapping paper for foodstuffs that changes colour when the food goes off, to running a nanotechnology laboratory creating biodegradable ultra-strong fabrics and wound dressings. Its main achievement, however, has been to turn the cerrado green.

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Ricardo Amaral
written by João da Silva, September 06, 2010

Good point.Glad you decided to join us.
Joao da Silva
written by Ricardo C. Amaral, September 06, 2010
Nice to hear from you as well.
Major turning points for the Brazilian economy.
written by Ricardo C. Amaral, September 06, 2010

In the 1970's the Brazilian economy was crippled by the oil shock of the mid-1970's.

The generals smart economic policies in Brazil helped to reverse that situation over a period of time.

Since Lula was elected president of Brazil in 2002 a major engine of economic activity in Brazil it has been the outstanding resources demand from China.

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Ricardo Amaral
written by João da Silva, September 06, 2010

The generals smart economic policies in Brazil helped to reverse that situation over a period of time.


De acordo!!!

Since Lula was elected president of Brazil in 2002 a major engine of economic activity in Brazil it has been the outstanding resources demand from China.


Good point, again. If you had stayed in Brasil, you would have probably pursued a career in Itamaraty.smilies/wink.gifsmilies/cheesy.gif

BTW, you are in MG or NJ?
Reply to Joao da Silva
written by Ricardo C. Amaral, September 07, 2010

I live in New Jersey, but not far from New York City.
Reply to Dell Adapter
written by Ricardo C. Amaral, September 07, 2010

Here is what I posted on the Elite Trader Forum a few hours ago in response to a question of one of the members of that forum regarding the US and Israel.

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September 7, 2010

SouthAmerica: Reply to Eight

Many years ago I realized that organized religion is based on superstition and on old Fairy Tales.

I am agnostic.

Just like in Europe, a large part of the Brazilian population is becoming secular and they don't follow any religion.

Organized religion was also created as a tool of manipulation and to control the population.

If you take religion out of the equation then makes absolutely no sense for the United States to give this completely blind support that the US has been giving to Israel for many decades.

For me Israel is nothing more than a small country with a small population, and the United States has been wasting too much time and political capital with Israel instead of using that time and political capital with things that matter such as focusing on China, India, and many other emerging markets that would be very important for the future of the United States economy.

Many years from now when future generations of Americans look back they are going to wonder why the US government were giving so much support to Israel and alienating so many people around the world instead of realizing that the world had been changing to the new world order of the 21st century?

Why the US government never grasped that this blind support to Israel was completely against the long-term self-interest of the United States as a country?

It is no wonder that the United States is becoming irrelevant and losing its clout around the world with each passing year – Basically Americans lost the sense of proportion in a fast changing world.

American mentality is stuck on the world of yesterday – a world long gone.

As the United States keep wasting all its political capital with a very small country with a small population (Israel) at the same time the US is missing the boat to the future regarding 3 billion people.

In about 30 years when people look back the United States is going to look like a bunch of fools...a country that placed all their eggs on the wrong basket.

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written by duga, September 07, 2010
Costa?? Costa Rica..you are back
Ricky Amaral, my hero!
written by Ederson, September 08, 2010
Ricky, as much as I worship the ground you walk upon, I'm not falling for you loosely-based collection of words this time. I was willing to throw flower petals at your feet and carry the trails of your velvet cape when you wanted to overthrow the Brasilian government, and I actually panicked when you wrote that Americans are discontinuing land ownership by foreigners, but your statements that the Yanks should disown Israel seem to fly in the face of historical fact and Yankee tradition.
Ricky, you are the American and know this far better than I could ever hope to learn, but didn't America's founding fathers create Yankeeland while at the same time worshiping a Hebrew God? Didn't they espouse Jewish values as a central theme in their constitution and founding documents? Didn't they hold the lives of Jewish biblical heroes as worthy for every Yankee citizen and free man to follow? And while many leaders of Yankeeland claimed some degree of sectarianism, didn't they claim Christianity as central to their reason for being?
If you truly recognize religious thought as harmful to national spirit, then, when will I be reading your demands that Saudi Arabia tell Mohammed to get out of town? Surely, in your crusade to free the world of superstition you will be demanding such. I can't wait. smilies/wink.gif
Furthermore, I disagree with your assertion that Yanks, by befriending Israel, are on a path of destruction. Instead, I believe that this new generation of pseudo-Americans, whose beliefs run counter to America's core values are endangering it far more.
No individual or nation can be everything to everyone, we must all stand for something. America's founding fathers clearly created Yankeeland with such values in mind. It really intrigues me why Muslims and other haters of freedom, such as yourself, run to the most free country in the world with nothing on your mind than to put such freedoms and such a country down.
Ederson
written by João da Silva, September 08, 2010

I am happy that you are also still alive and kicking. Have you bought the RAFALES ?smilies/wink.gifsmilies/cheesy.gif
Hi Joao! I'm back, for a while.
written by Ederson, September 08, 2010
Back from another working vacation and pleased to see that Ricky has returned to my favorite blog. However, I'm upset that he is still in Yankeeland. It must be very depressing living in a country you hate and don't understand.smilies/wink.gif

Another thing that confuses me; when a person declares that he is an agnostic, doesn't that infer some type of intellectual superiority? I mean, if religion is nothing more than superstition for the idiot masses, then the ability to free one's self of such superstition must equal some sense of superiority? Maybe Ricky can explain.

One more thing, isn't ancestor worship considered a religion? Just curious how that works amongst the intellectually elite. Again, maybe Ricky can explain.

Yet again, Ricky. How can you call a country irrelevant that has 30,000 atomic bombs and someone as confused a B.O. for president?

And again, Ricky, stop refering to Europe as an example of the way things should be; Europe is more confused than Yankeeland and Brazil put together. For goodness sakes, Ricky, ch.c, lives there!smilies/wink.gif Other than those slight criticisms, Ricky is still my hero; I wish my family was a worthy.

Joao. Rafales? I couldn't bring myself to buy a French fry!smilies/cheesy.gif
Ederson
written by João da Silva, September 08, 2010

Europe is more confused than Yankeeland and Brazil put together.


Maybe because the most important European leader of our time is a "Hungarian French", Ederson. To balance the "confusion", starting from 2011, we will have a "Bulgarian Brasilian" as our President along with a "Kenyan American" as the headman of the Yankeeland. No worries, mate. All will be blau. smilies/wink.gif

I couldn't bring myself to buy a French fry!


Now that a Brasilian company has bought the Burger King, it will certainly rename the French Fries and you may end up buying them to demonstrate your patriotism.smilies/cheesy.gifsmilies/grin.gif
Reply to Ederson
written by Ricardo C. Amaral, September 09, 2010
Ederson: If you truly recognize religious thought as harmful to national spirit, then, when will I be reading your demands that Saudi Arabia tell Mohammed to get out of town? Surely, in your crusade to free the world of superstition you will be demanding such. I can't wait.

Furthermore, I disagree with your assertion that Yanks, by befriending Israel, are on a path of destruction. Instead, I believe that this new generation of pseudo-Americans, whose beliefs run counter to America's core values are endangering it far more.

No individual or nation can be everything to everyone, we must all stand for something. America's founding fathers clearly created Yankeeland with such values in mind. It really intrigues me why Muslims and other haters of freedom, such as yourself, run to the most free country in the world with nothing on your mind than to put such freedoms and such a country down.


*****


Ricardo: If you want to discuss about Israel, then please join the discussion at:

Israel is "barking at the wrong tree"
http://www.elitetrader.com/vb/...enumber=24

My screen name on the ET forum is: SouthAmerica


You also would enjoy the following on the same subject:

The United States is planning to attack Iran with Nuclear Weapons
http://www.elitetrader.com/vb/...enumber=48


*****


I posted the following information on the Financial Times (UK) website on Martin Wolf's forum on the discussion regarding economic issues as follows:


August 9, 2010

The Military Industrial Complex became a very important piece of the US economy now for about 70 years, since the 1940’s.

For a long time the United States has been the number one arms dealer around the world.

Why peace on the Middle East it is just a mirage?

The US government strategy:

The US taxpayer supplies Israel with foreign aid – mostly military armaments. In turn that creates more demand from the US Military Industrial Complex to supply armaments to countries such as Saudi Arabia, UAE, Kuwait, and so on…

Now we go back to the original question: What is the role of the state?

Is it part of the role of the state, as it is the case in the United States, to cause conflict around the world to keep its Military Industrial Complex busy at home building all kinds of toys to sell around the world?

The US government is doing a great job in that area: Iraq, Afghanistan, Middle East in general, Taiwan, North Korea, Iran, many parts of Africa, Venezuela, Colombia, Germany, Japan and so on…

In a Nutshell:

The US government needs to create on a constant basis the perception that some kind of threat is out there against the United States.

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Ricardo is still number one!
written by Ederson, September 09, 2010
Thanks, Ricky. Maybe I'll accept your invitation to peruse your favorite Israeli-bashing sites in the future; however, it might be awhile; it seems there are millions of other sites besides yours. But firstly, I didn't bring up the issue of Israel; you did. And secondly, if the American military complex is so fundamental to the reasons behind the Israeli/Arab conflict, then how can you explain the Yank's arms embargo on Israel until 1967. The truth is that you can't. I even dare you to name one legitimate offensive weapon system the Yanks supplied to Israel until that date.

But on the side, I have to agree with you about a number of other points concerning the Yanks. Why, for instance, do they have to be so involved as an arms supplier to the Middle-east? Aren't the French, the Russians, and to a lesser degree, the Chinese doing well enough without America's help?

Additionally, you point out that the Yanks need to create the basis for the perception that there is some kind of threat against the United States.
I've been watching the news for quite a number of years, and I think they,ve been doing that for over a decade, albeit, poorly.

And I think I agree with your point, if you are making one, that peace in the Middle-east is just a mirage. But I still believe that Israel is small potatoes in that respect. The big prize is Saudi Arabia and demoralization of the Sunni empire by Iran. That alone explains the recent massive arms purchases in the area, especially by the Saudis who are tired of getting their butts kicked by Shiite sponsored tribesman.

As always, Ricky, I enjoy your point of view, even when you're wrong.smilies/wink.gif But sooner or later you will have to give the Yanks and Yankeeland a break. They let you live there, despite your unabashed dislike for Americans.
Ederson
written by João da Silva, September 09, 2010

Fine Ederson. Even though you are a simple peasant, you occasionally make some good points (a very rare and unheard quality among the serfs). One thing that aroused my curiosity is the following comment:

The big prize is Saudi Arabia and demoralization of the Sunni empire by Iran.


If I recall from my failing memory:

a) OBL was a darling of the Sunni empire of Saudi Arabia. Why did he pick up a fight with the Yanks?

b) Late lamented Mr.Hussein of Iraq was a Sunni and he was engaged in a long war against Iran to hold the Shiite hordes at check . Why did he meet an ignominious end with the full backing of the Anglo-American empire lead by GWB and his poodle (Gee, Dr.Cata would have loved my not naming the "poodle").

I would really appreciate your clarifying my questions. ie if you have some precious time to do so.

Only a peasant's opinion!
written by Ederson, September 09, 2010
OBL is a fundamentalist, plain and simple. and within fundamentalism circles, there is no room for compromise or logic. But you have to be a really weird fundamentalist to be asked to leave Saudi Arabia by the royal family. OBL's fight isn't against the West entirely; it's just that the West is so incredibly ignorant on Islam and basically understands little concerning its history or that of others; the West is an easy target. If he had the chance, I think he would love to throttle the royal family, too. Sorry, Joao, I'd walk over hot coals with you, but I disagree about OBL being the darling of the Saudi/Sunni empire.

Besides being a retard and egomaniac, Hitler had some measure of success in bringing Germany out of its depression. For that he was given a great amount of social credit by the German people. When he finally exhausted his social credits, even the Huns wanted to see him exterminated.
I think that Hessein had simply exhausted his Sunni social credits. He was fantastic to the Sunnis when he was busting the butts of the Shiites in Iran, and everybody loved him, but when he started picking on fellow Sunnis, aka. Kuwaitis, enough was enough. When you can get a country as crazy as Syria to help attack a fellow demented exporter of terrorism and co-hater of Jews, you know the target personality has used all of his Sunni social credits!smilies/wink.gif
BTW, please don't give GWB so much credit. He was just doing some Sunnis a favor. Few people can recall the suffering of the Kuwaiti people with any degree of clarity.

Always have time for you, Joao; in addition, I find the Middle-east fascinating and the present Saudi/allies arms race interesting.

Where is Dr. Cata?
Reply to Joao da Silva and Ederson
written by Ricardo C. Amaral, September 10, 2010

You guys might enjoy reading the two articles that I posted on this website about foreign ownership of farmland in Brazil:


The Smartest Thing China Could Do Right Now: Invest US$ 200 Billion in Brazil

http://www.elitetrader.com/vb/...enumber=12


1) June 29, 2010
“Foreign Ownership of Farmland in Brazil Could be Restricted “


2) "Big crackdown on foreign firms' land ownership in Brazil"
Morning Star (UK)
Wednesday 25 August 2010
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Ederson
written by João da Silva, September 10, 2010

Sorry, Joao, I'd walk over hot coals with you, but I disagree about OBL being the darling of the Saudi/Sunni empire.


Thanks for the solidarity, Ederson and let me assure you that the next time there is a "Hot Coal walkers Festival" in our city, I ´ll make it a point to invite you to be my partner.smilies/cheesy.gif

BUT...BUT...BUT... my branding OBL as the darling of the Saudi/Sunni empire is because of his family connections with the Saudi Monarchy and his active participation in the war the Soviets waged against the Afghans in the 80´s. ie siding with the Mujadeens (?) who in turn had the support of the Yanks. Besides, after almost a decade, that gentleman is as slippery as an eel. If you recall, ch.c has raised this issue several times in his endless tirades against the Yanks smilies/cheesy.gifsmilies/grin.gif. BTW, he has gone away from Geneve for 6 months to escape the harsh Swiss winter, but reassuring us all that he would be in touch once in a while.smilies/cool.gif

Never mind about OBL, Shias, Sunnis, the pastor who wants to burn the holy Koran, etc; The most important thing is to keep "neutral" and "secular".smilies/wink.gif

BTW, please don't give GWB so much credit.


Here I disagree. IMHO, the poor fellow is one of the greatest philosophers of our time. Haven't you heard his famous quote: "The fish and the human beings can coexist peacefully" ?smilies/wink.gif Unfortunately his staff wouldn't let him practice what he preached. smilies/shocked.gif Hopefully, his retired life in Crawford is peaceful and he has plenty of fish ponds in his ranch.

Always have time for you, Joao; in addition, I find the Middle-east fascinating and the present Saudi/allies arms race interesting.


Thanks Ederson. I also find the ME (as well as East) fascinating. After all it is the birth place of so many religions and it is hard for the Westerners to discern that place completely.

Where is Dr. Cata?


He has gone on hibernation for a while too.He should be back during our summer.

Now it is time for us to read the elite trader link our mutual friend Ricardo has posted. I disagree with him also many times, but he is a good Macro-economist and is willing to correct/modify his plans based on suggestions by his peers.

So you stay tuned , keep us company and have some high quality homemade crumpets and Sri Lanka tea.smilies/cheesy.gif
Elitetraitor and Ricky!
written by Ederson, September 11, 2010
Okay, Ricky, I went to the sites you suggested. It seems you have some folks that don't enjoy your posts. I'm not one of them; I look forward to your opinions and sense of good humor.
However, I am interested in your preoccupation with Israel and Yankeeland as the root cause of all evil in the Middle-East. I'd also like to know if you are aware that some countries in the Middle-east, while declaring open hostility to Israel, have cooperative side issues with the Jews, such as the Saudis.
Some feel that the Jews have been secret distant allies of the Saudi, in that without the Jews as a rallying point, the Saudis become the target, and it is to the Saudi's advantage to see that the Jew continue to exist. In addition, the Jews need the Saudis. How in the world did Israel get to Iraq to bomb the reactor and how will they get to Iran without overflying Saudi airspace? Any comment?
Any commet on the Saudis openly stating that they cannot defend themselves from the Iranians without help? Whose help, by the way?
And what about the huge purchase of F-15s, M1 Abrams, Bradleys, and Patriot anti-missile systems by the Saudis and their nearest allies. I don't think there's anyway that is meant to be used against Israel.

Iran needs to knockout Israel first to rally other Sunni countries to ally with them against the Saudis or they will never succeed against the royal family.

At best, the Saudis only have 20 million population against Iran's almost 80 million.

When I think of you as a ph.d. economist and someone who really blames Israel and the Yanks for the problems in the Middle-east, I wonder to the extent of your knowledge. I don't know you very well, although I like to tease you. I hope you mother is well.

Just curious if you are running off emotion or studying the total picture? By the way, the Saudis, I believe, are hoping that when the crap hits the fan, the Yanks will come to their rescue, and they can't touch Israel or make a big deal about the Jews, or they might loose the Yanks. Note that recently, the Saudis lifted the embargo concerning non-Israeli Jews visiting Saudi Arabia.

Are you also aware of amcient Saudi Jewish history? Sorry if these are too many questions. It's just that if I have to always look up to you, I want to know how tall you are.smilies/wink.gif
Ederson
written by João da Silva, September 11, 2010

Note that recently, the Saudis lifted the embargo concerning non-Israeli Jews visiting Saudi Arabia.

Are you also aware of amcient Saudi Jewish history?


I am not aware of Saudi-Jewish history as much as you are aware of! My meager knowledge of Saudi Arabia is from watching the movie "Lawrence of Arabia" a few times (A great movie and I suggest you watch it, if you haven't done it already )smilies/wink.gif

BTW, were you aware that the Saudi diplomat was going to ask for "political asylum" in the Yankeeland? If PBO refuses, maybe our government will be willing to grant him?smilies/cheesy.gif
Why would anyone want to leave paradise?
written by Ederson, September 11, 2010
No, Joao, it must have went right over me that a Saudi official wants to live in Yankeeland. Cripes, he must not be reading Ricky's blogs on what a dismal place it is, or he has secret knowledge that PBO is really a Moslem, as was his former minister, Jeremiah Wright!

Anymore, I feel sorry for the folks in Yankeeland as they watch their country turn into another goofy Europe. It must make their core group of freedom loving patriots sick, indeed. I can only imagine all of South America will be next, from what I understand.

Yes, I'm very familiar with "Lawrence of Arabia." I only wish more world leaders had seen it first, especially GWB.

I'm also very familiar with the Australian versian of the airplanes used in the movie. They are called Tiger Moths.
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Ederson
written by João da Silva, September 11, 2010

I'm also very familiar with the Australian versian of the airplanes used in the movie. They are called Tiger Moths.


So am I with Tiger Moths, my friend. It was a single engined biplane, wasn't it?

Some months ago, there was this gentleman Capt.Brodie in this blog, who was a "flying encyclopedia" on all sorts of aircraft. Great guy (good friend of Dr.Cata) and I learned a lot on aviation from him. I wonder whatever happened to him.smilies/wink.gif

BUT...BUT...BUT... you are right about the Saudi official wanting to live in the inhospitable Yankeeland. Perhaps King Abdullah (?) & the entire Saudi Royalty family would be the next?.smilies/cheesy.gif
The Saudi Royal Family.
written by Ederson, September 12, 2010
No one is walking a tighter rope at the moment than the Saudi Royal family.smilies/wink.gif They have so many enemies within their own kingdom that they must feel a certain sense of restlessness constantly. Should the Iranian-backed fundamentalists continue to score in the Saudi border regions, and should Iran push Israel into doing something explosive, the Saudi royal family will flee to somewhere for certain or face a horrible future.
The Iranians are provoking and begging Israel to do something that they can demonstrate to the world was yet another Jewish atrocity. After that, I feel there will be something of a popularity shift toward Iran and the Shiites, and more secular Islamic leaderships around the world will be endanger. It promises to be an interesting time for those who like to watch the news.

Capt. Brodie? Wasn't he from South Africa? Didn't he write a story, fictional, of course, about taking working vacations in Iowa for relatives as a spray plane pilot? Yes, I can only imagine that his descriptions of flying his Australian Tiger Moth for fun are both quite colorful and accurate. I have yet to read the book.
Reply to Ederson
written by Ricardo C. Amaral, September 12, 2010
Ederson: When I think of you as a ph.d. economist and someone who really blames Israel and the Yanks for the problems in the Middle-east, I wonder to the extent of your knowledge. I don't know you very well, although I like to tease you. I hope you mother is well.


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Ricardo: I posted the following information on the Financial Times (UK) website on Martin Wolf's economics forum on the discussion regarding: What is the role of the state?


August 9, 2010

The US Military Industrial Complex became a very important piece of the US economy for about the last 70 years, since the 1940’s.

For a long time the United States has been the number one arms dealer around the world.

Why peace on the Middle East it is just a mirage?

Here is the actual US government strategy for a few decades:

The US taxpayer supplies Israel with foreign aid – mostly military armaments. In turn that creates more demand from the US Military Industrial Complex to supply armaments to countries such as Saudi Arabia, UAE, Kuwait, and so on…

Now we go back to the original question: What is the role of the state?

Is it part of the role of the state, as it is the case in the United States, to cause conflict around the world to keep its Military Industrial Complex busy at home building all kinds of toys to sell around the world?

The US government has been doing a great job in that area: Iraq, Afghanistan, Middle East in general, Taiwan, North Korea, Iran, many parts of Africa, Venezuela, Colombia, Germany, Japan and so on…


In a Nutshell:

The reality is, the US government needs to create on a constant basis the perception that some kind of threat is out there against the United States.

The Military Industrial Complex is a very important part of the US economy. This is one of the few remaining areas that the United States has a comparative advantage regarding the other countries around the world.

Just in the next 2 years the US Military Industrial Complex is going to supply about US$ 100 billion in new toys to countries such as Saudi, Arabia, UAE, Qatar, and Kuwait. The Military Industrial Complex is an important source of business for American banks, and for job creation in the old USA.

It's a waste of time to talk about peace on the Middle East, since there are too many American businesses that are interested that the Middle East mess keep going on forever.

The Military Industrial Complex in the United States it is a very interesting subject for anyone to study in itself. From the US annual Defense Budget – a source of money for important research and development done in companies and universities in the United States – to the impact that the arms industry (industry that manufacturers weapons of war) has in the creation of jobs and economic activity.

Various corporations in the US, some publicly held, others private, bid for these defense contracts, which are often worth many billions of dollars. Then there is the global arms exports, and the United States has over 50 percent share of the international market.

It is very important for the US economy that the US government creates on a constant basis the perception that some kind of threat is out there against any self-interest of the United States anywhere around the world.

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Reply to Ederson
written by Ricardo C. Amaral, September 12, 2010

Thanks for your concern. My mother is recovering very well.

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Reply to Ederson
written by Ricardo C. Amaral, September 12, 2010

As you can see on the following website, the United States Department of Defense annual budget is US$ 688 billion in 2010 and an estimated US$ 719 billion in 2011.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/U...of_Defense


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It is estimated that yearly, over 1 trillion dollars are spent on military expenditures worldwide
The actual total world spending amounted to $1.464 trillion USD in 2008.

Contracts to supply a given country's military are awarded by the government, making arms contracts of substantial political importance.

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Reply to Ederson
written by Ricardo C. Amaral, September 12, 2010
Ederson: Okay, Ricky, I went to the sites you suggested. It seems you have some folks that don't enjoy your posts.

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Ricardo: Every few years we get a new batch of idiots on the ET forum, and we go through the same process all over again.

When they first come to that forum they start challenging everything that I say.

Then I shut up one by one when my predictions come to past. Then they stop challenging me after I have kicked their ass.

But I don't have patience anymore with these fools, because they are ignorant and they are not that smart.

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Ederson - since we are talking about creating its on demand for a new conflict.
written by Ricardo C. Amaral, September 12, 2010

Ricardo: As I said before: “It is very important for the US economy that the US government creates on a constant basis the perception that some kind of threat is out there against any self-interest of the United States anywhere around the world.”

Even though the United States depend on China for financing of it's massive annual US government budget deficit – The US government a few months ago sold billions of US dollars in armament to Taiwan's military – an arms deal that pissed the Chinese government of Mainland China.

I remember about 4 or 5 years ago when the president of South Korea came to the United States to announce that the 2-Koreas were going to start official talks about the merge of the 2-Koreas.

The president of South Korea thought that this was a very good news that would please the United States.

Then he got a ear full in Washington that in no way in hell the United States approved the merge of the 2-Koreas – and the president of South Korea went back to his country really pissed with the Bush administration.

In the last few months Hillary Clinton has been going nuts and made a big deal about the accusation of the sinking of the South Korean navy ship by the North Koreans. The US government still are harping on that false news on their efforts of creating a crisis between the 2-Koreas.

Turned out North Korea was telling the truth all along when they said they had nothing to do with the sinking of the South Korea navy ship.

The politicians in South Korea investigated the evidence presented regarding that ship, the recovered body of the sailors, and the bomb that they were claiming that had hit that ship, and they found out that there was no evidence that the ship had been sunk by a bomb, the ship had actually hit a reef and split into 2 pieces, and the body of the sailors that they recovered head died from drowning and not a single one had evidence that his body had been damaged by a bomb of any kind.

Then they found out that the South Korean government had made up that story for local political purposes, and the bomb that they had provided for evidence of the sinking of that ship, the recovered pieces of the torpedo had been recovered from the bottom of the sea many decades ago, and had been in storage in some warehouse for the last 40 years.

Since the fiasco became public, a few days later he proposed a new business tax in South Korea to finance the future merge of the 2-Koreas.

But to this day the American mainstream media, and Hillary Clinton for that matter still are talking about North Korea sinking that South Korean navy ship.

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Ricky's glowing admiration for North Korean honesty.
written by Ederson, September 12, 2010
Ricky, I'll have to surrender when it comes to debating the honesty of the North Koreans. Indeed, I'm far more likely to hang my hat on history's hook of barbarism, murder, totalitarianism, and pure oppression when it comes to the northern half of that frozen peninsula. I was even under the impression that even an organization as loathsome as the United Nations labeled North Korea as the aggressor, and they love dictators and despots. Oh, well. but it's nice to know that in you, even lonely dictators for life can enjoy the wordly presence of an objective friend.smilies/wink.gif

And I won't debate the presence of a Yankee Military Industrial Complex. Eisenhower warned about that decades ago. I just question your assertion that the Yankee MIC is responsible for the instability of the Middle-East.
Remember what I said about the American arms embargo on Israel until, effectively, 1970? If the Yanks were fundamental to the root cause of the conflict, than how can anyone explain their absence from the Israeli theater until then? My offer still stands; I'd like to know the nature of any noteworthy Yankee-provided offensive weapons systems until then.

I'll certainly agree with you concerning Yankee involvement afterwards. No doubt, they are heavily involved, for a variety of reasons. The Jews are leaders in the tactical desert battlefield, to the extent that even Yankee generals study Israeli tactics. For instance, something as apparently unimportant as the amount of water a soldier drinks in the desert has been completely revised by Israeli battlefield experience to the obvious detriment of its Arab neighbors. Indeed, the Israeli contribution to the art of desert warfare is legendary. How can the Americans ignore such a wealth of experience? Furthermore, for the paltry few billions yearly in aid the Yanks provide in military assistance is returned many times over by the Israeli experience. The F-15, right or wrong, garnered a 40-1 kill ratio for the Israelis against the latest Russian air defense system. How much is such experience worth to the Americans?

On the other hand, the 18.5 billion given to Egypt, the 6.7 to Jordon, the 6.5 to Pakistan, the 5.6 to the Sudan, the 2.7 to Kenya, and 2.6 to Indonesia are monies that most likely will offer a poor return on the investment, and this is probably a tiny fraction of the amount spent on the Islamic world by the United States. Who dares mention the lives and money wasted on Islamic issues by the Yanks in Bosnia, Kuwait, Libya, Lebanon, etc. So for you to assert that your country is failing you by sticking up for the Jews really amazes me. In fact, it leaves me wondering.

I think most Yanks, such as yourself, [Is it okay to call you a Yank? I grew up calling Yanks, Yanks, but I will stop and call you something else if you prefer.] are too easy to blame Israel for the conflict in the Middle-east and fail to note the disaster befalling the Moslem world, or the disasters caused by it. You write nothing about Moslem atrocities in the Sudan, Somalia, Yemen, Nigeria, or elsewhere. If, as an American, you are so upset about the money the Jews cost Yankeeland, then why don't you bitch about the money spent by the Yanks to protect the Moslems from each other. My God! If Yankeeland was my country, I'd be marching on Washington to stop it! Let the Moslems kill themselves. America can't prevent Moslem bloodshed. Why do you try? It's a sport to them and will never stop. It's only going to get bigger, more expensive, and a hell of a lot more lethal, but yet we hear nothing from you concerning the Moslem inner struggle. Instead, we hear the same old rhetoric concerning the Jews.

I still worship your opinions and read your opinions readily, Ricky. but to me, the Jews are but but a tiny problem in the overall situation concerning that goofy part of the world.
Indeed, with your intellect, I'd love to hear your opinions of how the situation really affects Brasil, besides the same apple-polishing drivel about Brazil/Iranian cooperation I have been hearing.
smilies/wink.gif And if you don't want to, that's cool, too.smilies/cheesy.gif

Give your mom a hug for me!
Second thought.
written by Ederson, September 12, 2010
On second thought, the official apple-polishing drivel is good enough. This isn't the forum for an in-depth discussion.smilies/wink.gif
Ederson
written by João da Silva, September 12, 2010

On second thought, the official apple-polishing drivel is good enough. This isn't the forum for an in-depth discussion.


How dare you make such a comment?smilies/shocked.gif

On "third thought", gimme a break Cel. On Sundays, I am busy fixing lunch and thus have no time to defend the Saudi monarchy nor war mongering Yankees. It is tea time, if you don't mind. smilies/cheesy.gifsmilies/cheesy.gif
Reply to Ederson
written by Ricardo C. Amaral, September 12, 2010

Ederson: Ricky, I'll have to surrender when it comes to debating the honesty of the North Koreans. Indeed, I'm far more likely to hang my hat on history's hook of barbarism, murder, totalitarianism, and pure oppression when it comes to the northern half of that frozen peninsula.

...On the other hand, the 18.5 billion given to Egypt, the 6.7 to Jordan, the 6.5 to Pakistan, the 5.6 to the Sudan, the 2.7 to Kenya, and 2.6 to Indonesia are monies that most likely will offer a poor return on the investment...


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Ricardo: I have been an optimist for many years regarding North Korea.

I hope they will merge the 2-Koreas ASAP into one country just like they did with Germany. Forget the past history in this case, since you can't change the past, but you can change the future.

What will make the merge of the 2-Koreas a reality is the fact that as China becomes a new superpower, China's economic activity is going to lift all boats, including in North Korea.

I don't know why people can't connect the dots, North Korea is located in a very strategic place where they have great economic development – being next to China, Japan, and South Korea – the North Korean economy can be changed overnight by these countries.

I see North Korea as one of the new great opportunities for economic development and growth in the coming years.

But if you want to think of North Korea as if we were in the 1950's, then you have the right to keep your mindset stuck in a world long gone. The Bush administration, and now the Obama administration
couldn't see the future to save their own lives regarding North Korea.

My bet is on a merged and successful new Korea in the coming years.

You said: “are monies that most likely will offer a poor return on the investment”

You just listed another $ 45 billion dollars of armament that the US Military Industrial Complex has to produce and these companies make a nice return of capital for their investors – and they create jobs and economic activity inside the US economy.

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Reply to Ederson
written by Ricardo C. Amaral, September 12, 2010

Regarding the Elite Trader Forum.

As I mentioned to you every few years we get a new bunch of morons on that forum, and they start challenging me on everything that I post on that forum.

These guys add nothing to that forum that is worth reading, they are just there to disrupt the discussions with their non-sense basically they are a group of idiots.

On that thread that we have been discussing the end of the Gravy Train from the United States to Israel - they lost every argument.

Then as a last resort they sabotaged my account on the ET forum, and I am waiting for the technical people from ET to fix the mess that these guys made on my account.

That shows me that they were getting desperate, since I hit a nerve, and I was kicking their ass on a relevant facts of that discussion on that subject.

That gives me an incentive to bring that subject to as large audience as I can, because I am on the right track, and these guys know that, and they are getting desperate in trying to stop me.

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Ederson
written by João da Silva, September 12, 2010

I am back and my apologies if I sounded rude in my earlier post. After all, even a peasant deserves to enjoy his tea and crumpets on a Sunday afternoon, especially when the weather is awful and bleary. Not an ideal time to fly a Tiger Moth.

You make some very good points about those Mohammedan Royalty from Saudi Arabia as well as the Yankees getting involved in that region starting 1970´s. That region is a mess, needless to say. Saudi Arabia is really a "protectorate" of the Yankees like the UAE are the "protectorates" of their "poodles".smilies/cheesy.gif. BUT...BUT...BUT.. the fact remains that the Yankees are suckers like us. When the good "Ole Europe" is in trouble, we have to go rushing to save their posteriors like it happened in WW2 and NOW. Why now? Europe is passing through a difficult phase economically (like our Swiss friend ch.c keeps on reminding us) and look at it. Who is Sarko appealing to for help? Us, the Brasilians to buy his Toy Fighter Planes!

Our buddy Ricardo made some interesting points about the Koreas so did you. But Ricardo as well as you missed a point. IMHO, the GREATEST economic threat to the Western Society is not from the Middle East, but..but.. from the FAR EAST.. ie from the Middle Kingdom & Co. They are more focused in conquering the global hegemony than any other race! It is a theme I keep on stressing to the dismay of many members of the Brasilian nobility.smilies/sad.gif

Capt. Brodie? Wasn't he from South Africa? Didn't he write a story, fictional, of course, about taking working vacations in Iowa for relatives as a spray plane pilot? Yes, I can only imagine that his descriptions of flying his Australian Tiger Moth for fun are both quite colorful and accurate. I have yet to read the book.


I am almost sure that Capt.Brodie is a South African. One thing I appreciated in him was his admiration for Brasilian made aircraft. Probably he flew for the South African Airways whose service reminds me so much of our late and lamented VARIG and TRANSBRASIL.smilies/sad.gif
Suckers like us!
written by Ederson, September 12, 2010
I have only a moment, but you speak wisdom, Joao! Suckers like us! Well said!
Ricky!smilies/cheesy.gif I can't keep up with you! One minute with you, I'm in the Israeli debate, the next minute, the Chinese debate, and now I'm in Korea. Your mind must never sleep. I'm not an economist, although on a trip to the States, I once slept at a Holiday Inn. [A Yankee joke, I think.] But I can only imagine that soon, so many things once made in Yankeeland will forever be made overseas, and then the Yanks won't have any money to buy anything from anybody. My recent trip to the Midwest didn't exactly give me the impression the Yanks were full of money as they were in the past.
Maybe North Korea will be the next success story, but first, I would imagine they should concentrate on ending the famine, unless that's propaganda, too. The only fat North Koreans I've seen on TV seemed to be the leaders.smilies/wink.gif
Joao, give time to think about who is the greatest threat. So far, in my book, the Saudis are the worlds next disaster and the one that will hurt the West the most. They export things far worse than oil.smilies/wink.gif Take care! Got to go.
Reply to Ederson
written by Ricardo C. Amaral, September 13, 2010

Ederson: Maybe North Korea will be the next success story, but first, I would imagine they should concentrate on ending the famine, unless that's propaganda, too. The only fat North Koreans I've seen on TV seemed to be the leaders.


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Ricardo: The famine in North Korea isn't propaganda, it's the result of an economic system that even Fidel Castro has recognized that it doesn't work.

It's time for the leader of North Korea to stop following the Soviet Union type of economic system, and he should follow the new economic model that is being developed in China.

With the help of South Korea the newly merged Korea country can change what is today North Korea almost overnight – much faster than the time that took West Germany to integrate with the economy of East Germany. The reason for that faster transformation is the location of North Korea = right next door to China, Japan, and South Korea and at the center of great economic growth and financial activity.


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Ederson: Ricky! I can't keep up with you! One minute with you, I'm in the Israeli debate, the next minute, the Chinese debate, and now I'm in Korea. Your mind must never sleep.


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Ricardo: If you connect the dots we still are talking about the same subject = the US Military Industrial Complex and its importance to the US economy.

When we are talking about the Middle East, we are talking about US made armament to Israel, Saudi Arabia, Qatar, UAE, Egypt, Iraq, and US military bases in many places around the Middle East.

When we are talking about China and North Korea, we are talking about a very US Military base in Japan, and in South Korea, and a very good business in arms trade with South Korea, and Taiwan.

We are talking about how important the US Military Industrial Complex has become to the US economy; if they are selling their toys for the US Defense Department, or selling to governments around the world.

I am sure that if they could get away with they would sell armament for war to both sides of a conflict and let them kill each other.

In the United States the US Military Industrial Complex has become a major juggernaut, but in Brazil we need to increase the budget for Defense spending to around US$ 80 billion per year.

There's very important benefits for the Brazilian economy that would be the result of this massive new defense spending.

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Correction
written by Ricardo C. Amaral, September 13, 2010

When we are talking about China and North Korea, we are also talking about the US Military bases in Japan, and in South Korea, and a very good and profitable business in arms trade with South Korea, and Taiwan.

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Reply to Ederson
written by Ricardo C. Amaral, September 13, 2010

Ricardo: When I said: "In the United States the US Military Industrial Complex has become a major juggernaut, but in Brazil we need to increase the budget for Defense spending to around US$ 80 billion per year.

There's very important benefits for the Brazilian economy that would be the result of this massive new defense spending."

I am not talking about Brazilian Defense spending to fight the wars of yesterday. I am talking about the militarization of space, and how research and development related to Defense spending can generate great innovation for the rest of the Brazilian economy including in nano technology and so forth.

A lot of this defense spending money would be used in research and development in Brazilian universities and major Brazilian companies.

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Reply to Ederson
written by Ricardo C. Amaral, September 13, 2010

Ricardo: A lot of this defense spending money would be used in research and development in Brazilian universities and major Brazilian companies, and in developing the best army of cyberspace hackers in the world.

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Ricky!
written by Ederson, September 13, 2010
I just don't have the time to keep up with you, but your opinion about cyberspace hackers is something every country needs to be involved in. I read of your country constantly being hacked by the Chinese, but something causes me to believe you folks in Yankeeland can dish it out, too.smilies/cheesy.gif You can take it, but you can also give it back.

I'm very interested in your belief that Brasil should increase its defence/defense spending. In which way? Are you of the belief that Brazil should become independent, cooperative with foreign companies such as Israel's Rafael, or purchase arms directly from other countries such as France?

Seriously, coming from an economist, a call for increased spending is worthy of note.

My wish is that Brasil become independent of all parties, but I don't know how practical that is. Also, joint ventures with winning countries such as Sweden, Israel, etc. make some sense.
Ricky. your opinion, please.
written by Ederson, September 13, 2010
Ricky, it would be interesting to find from an economist what he thinks the most likely potential enemy of Brasil is. Actually, I'm somewhat surprised to learn that you feel Brasil should increase its defence/defense spending, but against whom, and what particular threat?
I have always believed that the Dr. Cata vision of the Yankees attacking Brasil and draining the Amazon was typical left-wing thinking and can't see a military threat from the Yanks in any military form now or in the future. But I do get written briefings and one e-mail service that puts facts before hearsay, so I believe, and they state that Brasil will face assaults on its borders soon, if not already, especially from the north and the southwest.
Do you use Stratfor for your briefings? I like them, but there are also others, one that I learned of on this site is called the Proceedings, which is very good,; however, it is a monthly. Still, I'm often amazed that I seem to learn months, even years ahead of developments that make the press, and general knowledge, so much later. Through these sites, I've become very concerned with the infiltration of Hammas and other Moslem groups into South America. It doesn't bode well for Brasil, for Brasil is, eventually the target, despite what the liberal press might say. I'm also under no delusion as to what is happening, and has already happened to Brasil, under the guise of certain neighbors.

Again, I'm curious as to what sources a professional economist uses to search for future trends, military and economic.

I also hope that Brasil searches inward for its military needs and doesn't fall for the French influence. I believe there is a danger is too much spending on defence. I think intelligence capital is also a worthy investment and believe your suggestion concerning cyberspace is worthy of considerable merit.
As a common peasant, perhaps I'm behind the curve as to what is truly happening about the world, but my interest has been raised by what I learn. Again, whatever you feel about the Jews, I feel the world's preoccupation with them is only covering up a more serious problem.

Sorry, I'm destined for a busy day and wrote this as fast as possible before leaving. I apologize for my syntax errors. American English is different.
Ricky
written by Ederson, September 15, 2010
Ricky, if the questions are too difficult, or you don't understand the topic, or if you are a socialist [or derivative], or a pocket Islamist, you can continue to change the subject or ignore the questions. I don't want to expose you.smilies/wink.gif Seriously, have a good day and call me before the revolution.
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written by João da Silva, September 15, 2010

and call me before the revolution.


And ask someone to wake me up before it starts.smilies/wink.gifsmilies/cheesy.gif
Joao
written by Ederson, September 15, 2010
I hope he takes my remarks in good humor, but I would enjoy knowing from what group of sources an economist obtains his information, as well as more of his opinions concerning economic and exterior threats to Brasil. That would really interest me, although I know it is controversial and can get an economist, particularly a good one, in trouble. It would also be interesting to note an economist's point of view as to the worthiness of several of Brasil's oversea's arms purchases. I've always wondered on what basis many such decisions are made, especially concerning the French purchases.smilies/wink.gif
Ederson
written by João da Silva, September 15, 2010

I hope he takes my remarks in good humor


As far as I know, Ricardo has a very good sense of humor and surely would not be offended. I came to know of him about 4 years ago and I really enjoyed reading his article about why "China should invest $200 B dollars" in Brasil. We debated quite a bit and on some issues, we agreed and some we didn't. Over this period many things have changed in Brasil w.r.t China & the Mid East. Some of his forecast on China have come out to be true. As far as I know, his proposal of low cost Internet "back bone" was accepted by the government, but was totally botched up for several reasons (beyond his control).

On the "French Connection", I didn't (still don't) place much faith, though I get a feeling that he still does.

So I think your questions are very relevant and I am also standing by for a friendly debate, though I am also very busy on an exciting project.
Ederson
written by João da Silva, September 15, 2010

I received a curious message over my e-mail. The person who sent is a very intelligent Brasilian and highly principled (and apolitical). I thought Ricardo and you might like to read it.First in Portuguese and then English!!!!

As notícias são do Canadá. A tradução está ao final.

Ninguém pode nos acusar de que somente nós estejamos vendo o que está
errado.

Canadá é um país exemplo para o mundo em termos de cidadania e qualidade
de vida.


Veja a tradução para o português, ao fim do texto
original.


Ederson
written by João da Silva, September 15, 2010

Part 2

BRAZIL'S PURGATORY ABOUT TO BEGIN

The sad fact about the next election in Brazil is that it
will not be decided based on principles or values. Nobody cares if Dilma
Roussef murdered or robbed. It is just populism in the cruelest form. She
is Lula's lady. Poor people have benefited a little from the end of
inflation, and they forgot that this situation was inherited by Lula.

What is interesting is that the Worker's Party is neither
Communist nor the helper of workers. IBGE, the main statistical
institution in Brazil , has just released the information that illiteracy
in Brazil increased during Lula's reign. Basic sanitation is in the same
level as it was at the time of his coronation. 50,000 Brazilians die
violent deaths, most caused by guns and drugs smuggled into the country by
the FARC Marxist terrorists, allies of Lula. Who cares? I have a cell
phone and tv set. The next World Cup will be in Rio .

On the other hand, the Federal Development Bank (BNDS) has
received this year US$ 100 BI to lend to large corporations, in order to
"buy" their good will towards the government during the election year. The
capitalists get the money for 3,5% to 7%, while the government pays 10%
to 12% for the banks. Itaú bank had the largest profit of any bank in the
Americas , including the ones in the US .

Other acts of largesse of the government include the
distribution of TV and radio licenses to capitalists and politicians, a TV
network for the union leaders (who take one day of salary from the
workers and can't be audited - Lula forbid it) and the definition of the
targets of investment of the pension funds from state companies, in the
order of hundreds of billions of dollars. They can make you or break you.

FASCISM

This is a fascist economy, in its purest definition.
Mussolini would be proud.

It is hard for the common folk to understand how Communism
has changed from a social utopia to this raw fascism. The reason is that
they retain the old veneer in cultural causes, such as free abortion, gay
marriage, globalism, ecological radicalism, etc. Just like in China , they
tell you how to live your private life. Censorship or "media control" is
in Dilma's agenda, as it is in full course in Argentina and Venezuela
today. The fiscal privacy of Dilma's opponents has been broken with no
consequences. Basic constitutional rights are worth nothing to the
Worker's party, and they are challenging property rights. A bunch of
communist peasants, all funded and led by professional agitators, will
invade farms, kill people (as they do now) and the issue will be decided
by popular acclamation, in a commune.

We are being prepared to be pawns of the world government.

I predict rough times ahead for Brazil . Dilma is
incompetent and stubborn. Brazil 's public debt has almost tripled and is
about to explode, due to to the high interest rates. The boom in the
exportation of minerals and agro-commodities that gave Lula's popularity
such boost can end anytime, especially if a heavy crisis hits the dollar.
The taxation level in Brazil is one of the highest in the world, at 40,5%
and bureaucracy, with 85 different taxes in the last count, is
astronomical. They won't be able to raise tax anymore to support the
do-nothings employed in the government and the corruption.

When the government crashes, the social aids that
supported Lula's popularity will be at risk. Without the booming exports,
there will be fewer jobs, and it is possible that we see riots and
protests. Things have always been too easy in this country, where food
grows even in a crack in the sidewalk. Perhaps it is time for Brazilians
to mature from suffering.

PS: Dilma's father was a Bulgarian. He fled his country
because he was a communist activist. Surprisingly (?), in Brazil he was a
capitalist and very rich. Dilma had a very bourgeois life, living in a
large house and studying at private schools. It is always good to belong
to the Communist elite.
Brasil, Western Europe, or Yankeeland?
written by Ederson, September 15, 2010
Excellent, Joao. It's a universal theme, Well said and well written. I'll even go out on a limb and champion that writer's thoughts as my very own. I'm closely following the affairs of four countries on four different continents, and I believe what I have just read could apply to any of the four.
But haven't we heard it all beforethat if you can tell a lie often and long enough that soon, everyone will accept it as truth? smilies/cheesy.gif

Ricky wrote a warning about the possibility of civil unrest concerning Brasil in the future. I'd love to hear more of his thoughts pertaining to the subject from the economist's viewpoint. He isn't the only one that sees such a disaster, but as an economist, he can quantify it in a manner that a simple peasant cannot. I'd be particularly interested to learn to what degree civil unrest might occur. Would he expect riots or just general malaise and a further loss of faith in the system?

But such arguments are pointless if the leadership doesn't realize the external dangers awaiting Brasil's future, and if the upcoming dangers aren't vocalized and identified, than how can anyone determine the weapon system or financial or cultural adaptation necessary to fight them? Actually, I'd love, again, to made more aware of who and what the experts [economists] believe are the immediate external threats, and perhaps the internal ones, too.
You got me going, Joao. I'll stay awake longer than usual thinking about.smilies/wink.gif

Come home, Ricky! Your group of diehard fans need you!smilies/cheesy.gif
Ederson
written by João da Silva, September 15, 2010

I'm closely following the affairs of four countries on four different continents, and I believe what I have just read could apply to any of the four.


You turning into a Quiz Master, Ederson?smilies/wink.gif Yankeeland (NA), Brasil (SA), China (A). What ´s the 4th Continent ? Am I missing something?smilies/shocked.gif

I really do not know the names of the writer and the Canuck Magazine/Newspaper, the article appeared. All the more curious, because the Canucks are too diplomatic to write such a critical article!!

Ricky wrote a warning about the possibility of civil unrest concerning Brasil in the future. I'd love to hear more of his thoughts pertaining to the subject from the economist's viewpoint


Not only his viewpoints but also that of his close and important relatives.

BTW, where is Dr.Cata when we need him?>smilies/sad.gifsmilies/wink.gifsmilies/cheesy.gif
Civil unrest might already exist in Brasil..
written by Ederson, September 15, 2010
To be honest Joao, I wonder what or who quantifies civil unrest. When I compare different countries to each other, it is so easy to see that which might be accepted in one country as normal would be considered rampaging unrest in another. We can compare inflation rates of different countries because we have a mutual understanding of what inflation is and what percentages are acceptable and so forth.
But what definition defines civil unrest, and who defines it? Is there a universal standard, or is each country allowed to say that we are peaceful because we only have 101 murders per 10,000,000 citizens and that another country is also peaceful or involved in civil unrest because it has 50,000 murders per 180 million residents?

The question has struck me as particularly interesting because there appears to be several comparison left in this world that still beg to be quantified and declared as above or below the standard. In other words, at what level is general mayhem considered okay or not okay. I might be thinking too hard about this, that's why I wanted outside comment from Ricky, but perhaps he is waiting to give me a chance to clarify my question.
In addition, could the country with lesser murders declare itself as peaceful because it's murders were only committed by roving gangs of thugs in Ghettos where no one cares to go and were accomplished without firearms. Let's say that the murders were politically driven and accomplished with machetes. Just wondering. Yes, I know. Every country has a murder rate, but when is it considered civil unrest?

I guess what I am trying to say is that it might be very difficult to know in some countries that the nation wasexperiencing civil unrest. Sorry about that, Joao. Writing and thinking isn't always easy to do at the same time!smilies/cheesy.gif

I'd still like to know from someone much smarter than me as to what constitutes a threat to Brasil. I find that question particularly interesting because I feel Brasil is being threatened and sometimes, no one seems to recognize that. Of course, that could just be my peasant brain in overdrive!smilies/cheesy.gif

China? No, I don't follow China too much; I get enough of China just by awakening every morning. smilies/wink.gif I just follow countries that are important to my heart; Brasil, Australia, South Africa, the States, or Yankeeland! smilies/cheesy.gif
brazil is ahead of swiss on this one
written by Forrest Allen Brown, September 16, 2010
Behold The Legal Swiss Sex Drive-Thru
http://newsfeed.time.com/2010/...confident
The new international trade war is underway.
written by Ricardo C. Amaral, September 16, 2010

Ricardo: Here is what I posted on the Elite Trader Economics Forum regarding this subject:

The coming international trade war
http://www.elitetrader.com/vb/...genumber=5

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Ederson
written by João da Silva, September 16, 2010

Civil unrest might already exist in Brasil..


Your essay under this title is absolutely brilliant, Doutor Ederson. If Dr.Cata is reading it, he should be beaming with pride (smilies/cheesy.gif). If our Swiss friend is, will grudgingly acknowledge that you are right in questioning the skewed statistical data regarding the crime rate,economy, etc; He might even congratulate you for being far ahead of Goldman & Sachs folks and having coined the new block of important countries-USSAAB (or USAB?) smilies/cheesy.gif

It is interesting to note that you included South Africa in this "new block". I have been to a couple of African countries including S.Africa which I found to be very impressive. I don't know how it was before the end of "Apartheid", but one could see it well organized. The fear of its turning into another "Zimbabwe" hasn't come true and I think it will not happen. I intend visiting it again for a vacation.

As for the "civil unrest" already existing in Brasil, I am as eager to get Ricardo´s viewpoints as you are.

Forrest
written by João da Silva, September 16, 2010

brazil is ahead of swiss on this one


Welcome back from your hibernation, Forrest. Your views on USAB (or USSAAB)? How is it going in Batam?
Ricky and the Elite Trader.
written by Ederson, September 16, 2010
Ricky, just to let you know that I have spend the last hour reading your essays on the Elite Trader and actually enjoyed myself! I enjoyed your sense of humor concerning the Boeing 747 that lost all of its electronics and navigation systems. That is certainly a crisis, but there was good news because at the speed they were going, they would no doubt arrive somewhere ahead of schedule! That is so revelant for today's times.
Suddenly,smilies/cheesy.gif I think you're twice as smart as I thought you were yesterday, and yesterday, I thought you were okay!smilies/wink.gifsmilies/wink.gif
Joao, USSAAB!
written by Ederson, September 16, 2010
Yeah, Joao, everybody has somebody; Ricky has China, ch,c. has Switzerland, and I have the emerging economic powerhouse bloc of USSAAB!smilies/cheesy.gif And I've never been described as brilliant before; I'll have to enjoy a larger portion of dessert today.smilies/wink.gif

But on the side, I would really enjoy learning from someone smarter than me [includes everyone] what exactly is Brasil's leading internal and, especially, external threats. Then maybe Brasil's increased spending on French arms might make better sense, or not, as might Ricky's call for increased defence spending.

Ricky's comment about civil unrest got me to thinking recently. He forecasts civil unrest,which to the astute observer makes sense, but I was wondering if Brasil is already in a state of civil unrest, and nobody recognized it. It's like the old parable of cooking a frog alive. Why doesn't he leap out of the boiling hot water? It's because he's being cooked slowly enough that he doesn't recognize that his situation is terminal and remains happy with his situation until the end. Another possibility is that the cook is friendly and keeps telling him how wonderful life is, and how he should be grateful for the new experience. Something akin to manipulating the press.

Yeah, SA is a cool place, great for flying.smilies/wink.gif
Regarding Brazil and the China Connection - Part 1 of 2
written by Ricardo C. Amaral, September 16, 2010
September 16, 2010

Ricardo: The "superporto do Acu" - the port and industrial complex that is being erected on the Rio coastline, on an area equivalent to 12,000 football fields.


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“Brazil's huge new port highlights China's drive into South America”
Investments guarantee Chinese access to soy, oil and other badly needed resources
By: Tom Phillips - in Sao Joao da Barra
guardian.co.uk, Wednesday 15 September 2010

Blades slicing through the morning heat, the helicopter rose from the tarmac and swept into a cobalt sky, high above Rio's Guanabara Bay.

It powered north-east over deserted beaches, dense Atlantic rainforest and fishing boats that bobbed lazily in the ocean below. Then finally, 80 minutes on, the destination came into view: a gigantic concrete pier that juts nearly two miles out into the South Atlantic and boasts an unusual nickname: the Highway to China.

Dotted with orange-clad construction workers and propped up by dozens of 38-tonne pillars, this vast concrete structure is part of the Superporto do Acu, a £1.6bn port and industrial complex that is being erected on the Rio coastline, on an area equivalent to 12,000 football pitches.

Reputedly the largest industrial port complex of its type in the world, Açu is also one of the most visible symbols of China's rapidly accelerating drive into Brazil and South America as it looks to guarantee access to much-needed natural resources and bolster its support base in the developing world.

When Acu opens for business in 2012, its 10-berth pier will play host to a globetrotting armada of cargo ships, among them the 380-metre wide ChinaMax – the largest vessel of its type, capable of ferrying 400,000 tonnes of cargo.

Millions of tonnes of iron ore, grain, soy and millions of barrels of oil are expected to pass along the "Highway" each year on their way east, where they will alleviate China's seemingly unquenchable thirst for natural resources.

"This project marks a new phase in relations between Brazil and China," Rio's economic development secretary, Julio Bueno, said during the recent visit of about 100 Chinese businessmen to the port complex, which is being built by the Brazilian logistics company LLX and should receive billions of dollars of Chinese investment.

This new phase of engagement with Brazil and South America, is part of China's "going out strategy" – an economic and, some say, diplomatic push for Chinese companies, many of them state-run, to invest abroad, snapping up access to minerals, energy and food by pouring the country's colossal foreign reserves into overseas companies and projects.

China is expected to overtake Japan as the world's second largest economy this year and may already be the world's greatest energy consumer. Now it is set to become Brazil's top foreign investor, with its companies plowing $20bn into the country in the first six months of 2010, compared with $83m in 2009. A recent study by Deloitte predicted that Chinese investments in Brazil could hit an average of about $40bn a year between now and 2014, with companies throwing money at sectors ranging from telecommunications, infrastructure and farming, to oil, biofuels, natural gas, mining and steel manufacturing.

"Relations with Brazil in all areas have entered a new era," Qiu Xiaoqi, China's ambassador in Brazil, recently told the state news agency Xinhua.

The surge in China's South American spending is not just a Brazilian phenomenon. Ecuador has already signed around $5bn of bilateral deals with China this year, including $1.7bn to help build a hydro-electric dam and $1bn investments for oil exploration and infrastructure projects. That compared with Chinese investment of just $56m in 2009.

Chinese companies have sunk $1.4bn into mining operations in Peru this year, while in April Hugo Chávez announced that the Chinese, already major sponsors of Venezuelan oil exploration, had agreed to open a $20bn credit-line for the "Bolivarian revolution".

Michael Klare, author of Rising Powers, Shrinking Planet, a book about the growing tussle for global resources, described today's China as "the shopaholic of planet Earth".

"The Chinese authorities understand that to sustain the country's continued growth, they will have to ensure that its industries are provided with adequate supplies of energy, minerals, and other basic raw materials," he said. But the "going out" strategy went far beyond business transactions, he added.

End of Part 1 of 2

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Regarding Brazil and the China Connection - Part 2 of 2
written by Ricardo C. Amaral, September 16, 2010
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Part 2 of 2

"They seek to fashion a multipolar world in which no single power – read the United States – plays an overwhelmingly dominant role. To this end, they seek to bolster ties with rising regional powers like Brazil and South Africa."

In Sao Joao da Barra, the city nearest to Acu and one of Rio state's poorest regions, the Chinese presence is being felt even before Brazil's Highway to China is complete.

Keen to impress, LLX staff at the Açu port lay on hot water and Mandarin interpreters for visiting Chinese dignitaries. Sao Joao da Barra's town hall, meanwhile, has started offering free Mandarin lessons to locals interested in working with the wave of Chinese guests that is anticipated.

"You should see a 10-year-old boy saying, 'I understand … the Chinese are coming and when the Chinese industries come I want to work for them and if I speak Mandarin I'll have a competitive advantage on the others'," beamed Eike Batista, the billionaire entrepreneur behind the superport and one of the most vocal cheerleaders for Chinese advances into Brazil. "[It is] wonderful."

Leonardo Gadelha, LLX's CFO, said during a recent tour of the port: "This is part of a Chinese strategy of going to the market more and more. They are already a very considerable presence in Africa and we are now going through this moment in Brazil."

The Highway to China lay "in the middle" of this blossoming relationship with China, he said, adding: "We are betting that … this will continue growing."

Not all Brazilians, or indeed western governments, share such enthusiasm.

"There are many in Washington who worry about China's growing presence in Africa and Latin America and claim that this poses a threat to America's long-term strategic interests," said Klare, noting, however, that the US' "fixation" with Afghanistan and the war on terror meant there had been virtually no reaction.

In Brazil meanwhile China's arrival has prompted cries of neo-colonialism. "The Chinese have bought Africa and now they are trying to buy Brazil," the prominent economist Antônio Delfim Netto complained in a recent interview with the Estado de Sao Paulo newspaper, warning that it was a "grave mistake" to allow a foreign state to buy "land, minerals [and] natural resources" from another sovereign power.

Batista, Brazil's richest man, rejected such criticism, saying: "The association between Brazil and China is a two-way highway." Chinese companies such as Wuhan Iron and Steel had committed to helping build a $5bn steel mill at the port complex, rather than always shipping out primary resources to process at home, he pointed out. "You want to get three tonnes of raw iron ore, [so] produce one tonne of steel in Brazil," he said. "That philosophy is sinking in and is great for both sides."

Neither would Chinese companies be allowed to flood the complex with hordes of foreign workers as had happened in Africa, said Gadelha, the CFO.

"If it was up to them they would bring lots of Chinese workers as they are used to doing," he admitted. "[But] Brazil's legislation is very strict in this sense."

Batista suggested that rather than complaining about China's courtship of Brazil, western powers should urge their own companies to pay more attention to the region themselves.

"In the last 15 years or so the [American and European] CEOs have stopped coming here and that is why they are a little bit behind," he said. "We are pushing European companies and saying: 'You're not really understanding what is happening in Brazil'."

"Don't put Brazil in the same bag as our neighbours," he added. "We are not Central America. We are not Venezuela. We are not Argentina."


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Beijing's deals

Brazil In November 2009 Brazilian energy giant Petrobras signed a $10bn loan deal with China's Development Bank. As part of the deal Petrobras will guarantee the supply of 200,000 barrels of oil per day to China over the next 10 years. Chinese companies and state banks pumped around $20bn into Brazil in the first half of this year

Venezuela Hugo Chávez, pictured, unveiled a $20bn credit line from China's Development Bank to fund the "Bolivarian revolution" in April

Ecuador The country has already signed around $5bn of bilateral deals with China this year, including $1.7bn to help build a hydro-electric dam and $1bn investments for oil exploration and infrastructure projects. In 2009 direct Chinese investment in the country was just $56m

Peru Chinese companies invested $1.4bn in mining operations in Peru during the first four months of this year, making China the country's second largest trade partner.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/worl...hina-drive

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Reply to Ederson
written by Ricardo C. Amaral, September 16, 2010
I will be back to our discussions. I have been busy with other matters.

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Ricky
written by Ederson, September 16, 2010
Intimidating reading, Ricky. But I promise in the next day or so to read it more thoroughly. However,I always appreciate a subjective viewpoint explaining why this or that is good or bad, much like the your opinions in the Elite Trader. Exemplary good looks aren't everything; sometimes even I need the personal perspective, even if only a sentence or two concerning how this relates to your essays I read earlier today on the Elite trader. It certainly appears that China is buying up South America as fast as it will sell, but is it necessarily bad, or is it reflective of the fact that most leaders in SA countries are reluctant to invest in the infrastructure of the very countries they pledge to serve?
If you don't have the time for a quick comment, I understand. I'll do my best.
Ederson
written by João da Silva, September 16, 2010

And I've never been described as brilliant before;


What are friends for?smilies/cheesy.gif

Another possibility is that the cook is friendly and keeps telling him how wonderful life is, and how he should be grateful for the new experience. Something akin to manipulating the press.


A very good comparison between the "cook" and the "press". smilies/wink.gifsmilies/cheesy.gifsmilies/grin.gif

Re Ricardo´s comment to you:

I will be back to our discussions. I have been busy with other matters.


Likewise with me too. In the meantime, I suggest you re-read his comments and your own on the "Chinese Connection".smilies/wink.gif
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written by João da Silva, September 16, 2010

"The Chinese have bought Africa and now they are trying to buy Brazil," the prominent economist Antônio Delfim Netto complained in a recent interview with the Estado de Sao Paulo newspaper, warning that it was a "grave mistake" to allow a foreign state to buy "land, minerals [and] natural resources" from another sovereign power.


Being a close economic "assessor" (adviser) of the current government for almost 8 years, Doutor Delfim is now crying "wolf" about the Chinese "investments" in Brasil.smilies/wink.gif

Batista, Brazil's richest man, rejected such criticism, saying: "The association between Brazil and China is a two-way highway."


This gentleman´s position is quite understandable.smilies/cheesy.gif

Neither would Chinese companies be allowed to flood the complex with hordes of foreign workers as had happened in Africa, said Gadelha, the CFO.


BUT....BUT....BUT... they can always bring many disguised as "skilled labor" or "experts" and build closed camps. The example is their copper mining operation in Afghanistan.smilies/wink.gifsmilies/cheesy.gif

Any further comments?
The Chinese connection.
written by Ederson, September 16, 2010
Joao, I've given up on the Chinese. It's a hopeless case. How can a normal peasant make his leadership see that the new status quo is not going to work? Even the real peasants in Zimbabwe could read the writing on the wall when the Chinese invaded. [Sorry if I always pick on Zimbabwe; the grudge goes way back!smilies/cheesy.gif] Indeed, could there be a source of cheap
er labor anywhere in the world than in Rhodesia/Zimbabwe? Yet still, the Chinese bring in their own labor to drive the trucks and run the factories. The locals scream, but the leadership tries to ease their fears by explaining that now they have cheaper goods while the locals answer back that it does little good without jobs and a paycheck. I've heard this song and dance too many times.
You would think such a scenario would work well in a country that has a president for life and so forth, but it worked just as well for the Chinese in Yankeeland. However, it will work exceptionally well in many of the poorer states , especially where you have dictators for life and other despots, for all such thugs have a self-interest in maintaining that position. So as a result, you see and will see the Chinese thank their corrupt partners by selling them weapons at hugely reduced rates, again, such as in Zimbabwe, and I'm sure anywhere else, even South America, where the Chinese are dealing with thugs.
Yes, Joao, like the Moslems, the Chinese don't emigrate, they infiltrate in a manner that makes a frog happy to be swimming in a pot of water getting dangerously hotter by the minute, but it hurts to see a country's leaders profit or describe the Chinese success story within that particular country as good for everyone, especially those who are loosing their jobs as a result.

I can't name any numbers to backup my theory; I'm not an economist, I just believe what I'm reading, hearing, and seeing. As a peasant, I'm allowed to do that.smilies/cheesy.gif But I'm looking forward to learning more from Ricky. I enjoyed again reading his essay on the dollar shuffle. I heard someone mention long ago that we should receive college credit for paying attention to this website. I kind of agree.smilies/wink.gif
Ederson
written by João da Silva, September 16, 2010

[Sorry if I always pick on Zimbabwe; the grudge goes way back!smilies/cheesy.gif]


As they say down under, no worries mate. I perfectly understand your ole grudge smilies/wink.gif

Indeed, could there be a source of cheap
er labor anywhere in the world than in Rhodesia/Zimbabwe? Yet still, the Chinese bring in their own labor to drive the trucks and run the factories.


Bob Mugabe is a megalomaniac.Should I say more? BUT...BUT...BUT... (forgive me for imitating ch.c) there are plenty of such "leaders" all around the world including South America.smilies/cool.gif

The locals scream, but the leadership tries to ease their fears by explaining that now they have cheaper goods while the locals answer back that it does little good without jobs and a paycheck.


Not much different from the Yankeeland, old chap. The poor yanks also scream and yell, but...but...they all are ready to work for WalMart.Low wages, but..but... can buy cheaper goods imported from PRC, including Frozen Vegetables (No frozen crumpets, though).

So as a result, you see and will see the Chinese thank their corrupt partners by selling them weapons at hugely reduced rates, again, such as in Zimbabwe, and I'm sure anywhere else, even South America, where the Chinese are dealing with thugs.


This is something that my better and smarter "half" has been saying for the past few years. Continues saying it.smilies/wink.gif

Yes, Joao, like the Moslems, the Chinese don't emigrate,


Remember my saying that the real threat comes from that part of the world? The Chinese building Dubai II port in Karachi (Pakistan) and Dubai III right in the middle of "dense Atlantic rain forest". Delfim protesting and Eike Batista cheering!!

It is really a Mad,Mad,Mad world, indeed. smilies/smiley.gif
Ederson
written by João da Silva, September 16, 2010

A Peasant to Peasant question:

Where do the RI (among the BRIC) countries stand in this world chess game? RI is with USSAAB ,independent or with B?
Watch me over-analyze this!
written by Ederson, September 16, 2010
Again, I'm no economist, but BRIC never made a great deal of sense to me. RI makes sense, for both have battled China big time. Indeed, India got the bomb to defend itself from China. But in that triangle of super states, where doees Brasil firt in? Maybe China really sees it as a trading victim and wants to keep its prey close and comfortable by making Brasil feel as if it's part of something important and not really a victim. Remeeber, if you cook the frog slowly, he'll never know he's the main course!smilies/cheesy.gif
Gee! I know China only appears to be cooking Brasil. They're not really cooking Brasil,are they?smilies/shocked.gif

Sorry, Joao. I'm not at Ricky's level when it comes to such assessments, but how would a frog look carefully sewn onto Brasil's flag?
Sorry, Joao.
written by Ederson, September 16, 2010
You can tell by my typing that I'm tired. Bought another airplane; been working on it all day. Too much sun. Forgive my fingers for going clumsy.
Ederson
written by João da Silva, September 17, 2010

Watch me over-analyze this!


It is not exactly an over-analysis. The first paragraph does make lot of sense. I wonder how many remember that C went against RI in the 60´s and it is still in loggerheads against India over Tibet and other territories. India´s Bomb is to defend herself against C? This makes sense too, though I was under the impression that it was against her arch-rival Pakistan.

Sorry, Joao. I'm not at Ricky's level when it comes to such assessments, but how would a frog look carefully sewn onto Brasil's flag?


I am not at Rickey´s level either, but the proverbial "frog" may end up hiding the words "Ordem e Progresso" on the flag. smilies/sad.gif

Sorry, Joao.


No need to apologize for the typing errors. But for the Firefox browser, I´ll be making more.smilies/cheesy.gif

Bought another airplane; been working on it all day


This is more interesting and kudos.smilies/smiley.gif What airplane did you buy? Set the course and I´ll test fly it.smilies/wink.gif
China or Pakistan?
written by Ederson, September 17, 2010
Most folks don't realize that Pakistan became a surrogate for China. Sure, the easy answer would be that India developed the bomb because of Pakistan, but Pakistan would never have progressed as a nuclear power if it wasn't for the assistance China gave it. Such assistance also included the technology to deliver the bomb in the form of missiles. Most folks are simply unaware ofthe China-Pakistan connection. The battles fought between India and the Arab world are endlessly fascinating and envelope the whole of military technology. India knew the future would be difficult. As a result, it has never ratified the nonproliferation treaty.

So why did India alighn itself with China as part of BRIC? Give me a break. I'll believe this strange economic block will work when I see it.smilies/cheesy.gif

Yes, I think you're right about the frog. It would have to be a very big frog, but it would be cheaper for the Chinese to raise a fatter frog for Brasil than to have to explain the obvious to those who are becoming incresingly curious.smilies/wink.gif

The new plane is called a Pitt's Special S1. It's like a little winged Porsche 911. Sounds like one, too. I couldn't resist it. It had been neglected and needed me!smilies/grin.gif
Ederson
written by João da Silva, September 17, 2010



?smilies/cool.gif

You made another curious remark:

The battles fought between India and the Arab world are endlessly fascinating and envelope the whole of military technology.


I did not know about the battles fought between India and the Arab world. In recent times?

BRIC is an invention of the G & Sachs folks and I am not sure if it can be called a trading block. India is the largest importer of Brasilian ethanol and to my knowledge, the trade balance has always been in Brasil´s favor. On the contrary, China is a much larger trading partner of ours and this relationship is likely to grow in the coming years thus making our prophecy of the frog being stitched to the flag.smilies/sad.gif

Ricardo must remember or read the history of our "Chinese Connections" in the 60´s and how they came to a "sudden" end.smilies/wink.gif

In a hurry and will be back later to know a bit more of the history and geopolitics.smilies/cheesy.gif
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written by Ederson, September 17, 2010
Sorry if I misled you. It wasn't the entire Arab world. I was grouping Pakistan's allies, who are mostly Arab,as those who actually fought or contributed soldiers, pilots, whatever to fight against India.
Joao, please remember that this bit information prejudices neither party. The India/Pakistani conflict is enormous in my eyes and totally ignored by most everyone else. I have no dog in that fight and can see both points of view.
For instance, who knows that the two country in 1965 fought the largest tank battles since WWII or that America supplied arms to both sides, or that Saudi Arabia was Pakistan's first responder? Other allies include Jordon, Indonesia, United Arab Emirates, Iran, and China among others. In fact, China brought part of its army to the Pakistan border in 1965 as a show of force. Jordon even flew missions on behalf of Pakistan using American provided fighter planes. How bizarre is that?
However, since then, Pakistan's appreciation of Iran has kind of been shaken.
India and Pakistan's war has a hint of similarity to that of the Israeli/Arab war. Is it any coincidence that India and Israel are aligned militarily?


India's purchasing of ethanol from Brasil is wonderful, for the moment, until the ground is leached white by overproduction. I've seen it happen, Joao. Don't let the business elite fool you. Nothing is free. Ifyou wantto see land that appears in pain, look at many of the farm fields in Yankeeland's Midwest. It's turning from black to light gray in places from leaching. Thank heaven for fertilizer and other petroleum based miracles!smilies/cheesy.gif Label me skeptical. India is also a peaceful democracy for the most part. Its continued existence has considerable merit.
If anyone is fascinated by the military affairs of this world, there is certainly a lot to follow. However, India and Pakistan, unknown to most everyone, remains one of the deadliest, largest, and little known.

China is a 'partner?' Okay. smilies/wink.gif Watch that frog get bigger and bigger! China is only doing what Brasil's leadership should have done years ago. I prefer to call China an excuse.

In appearance, the S1 in the picture is very much like my own. Although I don't have the 'spades' hanging from the aileron. They are supposed to reduce stick forces even further and make control response even faster. I'd say that's even a bit of overkill.smilies/cheesy.gif My wife says my death will be spectacular.smilies/cheesy.gif Got to go.
Ederson
written by João da Silva, September 17, 2010

For instance, who knows that the two country in 1965 fought the largest tank battles since WWII


I remember reading about it in some magazines. If I have read about the rest of things you described in that paragraph, I must confess I have forgotten or paid no attention. Except that I am aware of the military alliance between Israel and India.

India's purchasing of ethanol from Brasil is wonderful, for the moment, until the ground is leached white by overproduction.


Before you joined this forum, this issue was discussed and ch.c had some interesting things to say. So did I. Our views coincide with yours! Somehow, we are unwilling or unable to strengthen our trade relationship with India on a bilateral basis. I don't know if you remember that during the last "Doha round of" talks in 2008, Indians were quite tough in their negotiations on agricultural subsidies and we and the Chinese were not. The Argentinians stood by the Indians!!

Ifyou wantto see land that appears in pain, look at many of the farm fields in Yankeeland's Midwest. It's turning from black to light gray in places from leaching. Thank heaven for fertilizer and other petroleum based miracles!


Funny, you are the third person to mention about the "fertilizer and other petroleum based miracles". The first was a close American friend and neighbor of mine about 20 years ago (!) and Dr.Cata a year ago.

China is only doing what Brasil's leadership should have done years ago.


It is easier for our "leadership" to set up scores of "Regulatory Agencies" to keep a "close watch" on the "foreign Investors" than to develop and execute projects on their own. But the Chinese would know how to sidestep these inconvenient and ineffective agencies to the greater glories of both our Republics. The e-mail I reproduced above (in 2 parts) says it all.smilies/wink.gifsmilies/cheesy.gif
Joao, do you fly?
written by Ederson, September 17, 2010
The Pitt's has been a pleasure. Too overpowered, and it's the loudest airplane I've ever flown. Deafness is guaranteed without ear protection, but the acceleration is awesome! An engine one/third the size they come with would be delightful and entirely adequate.I'm new to small biplanes. I've flown several, but owning one promises interesting moments for the future. Mine has a canopy as does the one in the picture, but the release mechanism is clumsy. The possibility exists that someday it will be my only airplane. If you fly, look into a small biplane. Inexpensive to operate and lots of fun. Glance at Youtube to get an idea of what a small biplane can do. Mine has inverted fuel and oil for outside maneuvers, but I don't think I'll ever use the plane's capabilities. I just enjoy the sports car feeling.

Ricky must be very busy. I'd still love his assessment as to what he feels is Brasil's most direct and indirect dangers. Military, too, if he has the time.

Funny videos about the India.Pakistan war, even if the war itself is tragic. Each side has produced videos portraying the other's combat, or lack of, fighting skills.

My oldest is determined to get his ph.d. in history, although he in becoming more interested in Greek history; it runs in the family. He believes that the biggest clash potential between Islam and the West is between India and the Arabs, or Pakistan to be more specific. We'll see what history proves.
Ederson
written by João da Silva, September 18, 2010

I am a less brighter version of Heinrich Dorfmann (Hardy Kruger) in the movie "Flight of the Phoenix"!!! I have a pretty good notion of Flight theory, aircraft, etc; My interest in aviation was dormant until our South African friend Capt.Brodie appeared on the scene and recommended that I try Microsoft FLX. It took me a quite a while to find this software in Brasil (The free demo version is very limited in the choice of airplanes and missions). Now I am ready to talk to experts like you, Capt.Brodie and Jimmy Stewart on equal level.smilies/wink.gifsmilies/cheesy.gif

I am sure you are enjoying your new toy. BTW, why do you say that one day this plane will be the only airplane? Who knows, someday, you will buy EMBRAER airplanes and set up an Airlines to compete with GOL and TAM. I have been reading about new regional airlines being set up in many parts of Brasil and EDERSON AIRLINES may become a reality.smilies/smiley.gif

Regarding India/Pakistan conflict: It is amazing that the former has progressed so much, still remaining a democracy while the latter lagging behind.

My oldest is determined to get his ph.d. in history, although he in becoming more interested in Greek history; it runs in the family. He believes that the biggest clash potential between Islam and the West is between India and the Arabs, or Pakistan to be more specific. We'll see what history proves.


Your son might be right, even though the Pakistani cab drivers I have run into in the U.S. (I wonder why there are so many there) think otherwise.smilies/cheesy.gif

Ricky must be very busy. I'd still love his assessment as to what he feels is Brasil's most direct and indirect dangers. Military, too, if he has the time.


It appears so. But to compensate, our Swiss Guru of Economics has appeared in another thread with his customary tirade against Brasil,U.S. E.U and other bloc of countries. I said hello to him. I don't think he is aware you have formed a new bloc and I have fully endorsed it.smilies/wink.gif
Last airplane
written by Ederson, September 19, 2010
Joao, I have one boy remaining in high school. As soon as he's on to college, the wife and I are making a decision as to where we want to live. She wants to return home. In addition, I want a new career, one in which I fly only for fun.smilies/wink.gif
Ederson
written by João da Silva, September 19, 2010

She wants to return home


Where´s her home, Ederson?
Brazil's Future
written by BobFromBrazil, October 07, 2010
In case people need to be reminded in order for any nation to grow economically and socially you need a strong public school system.

Look around Brazil --- look at public education. Teachers are paid low wages, and the schools are tied to corrupt local politics. This equals continued national poverty as has always been in Brazil.

Look at the amount of poverty and balance this with lack of skills in basic stuff like reading, and math.
PS
written by BobFromBrazil, October 07, 2010
If Brazilians want to speak to the Chinese at Porto Acu learn English. China is quickly becoming the largest english speaking nation in the world.
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written by Alison33Rosario, December 03, 2011
A lot of specialists claim that personal loans aid a lot of people to live the way they want, just because they are able to feel free to buy necessary things. Furthermore, various banks present car loan for different classes of people.
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written by loans, December 03, 2011
A lot of specialists argue that home loans help a lot of people to live their own way, just because they can feel free to buy needed stuff. Moreover, different banks present car loan for all people.
This was the funniest joke ever !
written by Rodrigo, December 27, 2011
This is a good joke. How on earth a country where half of its population earn no more than R$375 (around £120) per month and live in extreme poverty will achieve this? Brazil has a poor education system, health system and NO SECURITY AT ALL. It's murder rates are THREE to FOUR times higher than a country at war. Brazilians pay a lot of money in taxes to have all of this and still have to pay lots of money to private schools, private health systems and to pray not to be robbed or even killed on their way back home from work.

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