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While the World Burst Its Bubble, the Good Times for Brazil's Real Estate Have Just Started PDF Print E-mail
2010 - December 2010
Written by Ruban Selvanayagam   
Tuesday, 21 December 2010 02:16

Building in construction in Paraíso, São Paulo It's been over 3 years since the majority of the developed world's housing markets saw their bubbles burst. Yet, along with a number of other so-called 'emerging' countries, Brazil has witnessed what many commentators and professionals have termed as the start of a long-term growth trajectory.

In 2010, renowned real estate developer Donald Trump, for example, talking about Brazil, commented to the Los Angeles Times that: "It is one of the few places in this troubled world I feel confident to make an investment."

And the modern day sage of value investing, Warren Buffett, told Fox News: "Brazil has cleverly positioned itself to become one of the world's greatest investment opportunities in modern times."

Of course, acquiring real estate related assets in the country is not without its risks which need to be managed effectively - particularly for the foreign investor - yet, nevertheless, it remains clear that there are some interesting times ahead for the housing market.

Below are some excerpts via the annual report from the Brazil Real Estate & Land Investment Guide:

Brazil's Real Estate Finance Market

"It is the youth of housing finance market that is demonstrating the growth potential exciting the Brazilian banks and lending institutions. In 2002 and 2003, no more than one thousand houses were mortgaged and it was not until 2006 that the evolution really started to take place as loan terms were extended from periods of 12 to up to 30 years and repayment levels (whilst still internationally comparatively high) decreased from 12 to the 8-9 percent level.

By 2004, 321,149 units were financed in Brazil - of which 53,787 were from via the Brazilian System of Savings and Loans (Sistema Brasileiro de Poupança e Empréstimo, SBPE - the constituted system of Brazilian lending institutions that offer housing finance) and the rest by means of the Fundo de Garantia do Tempo de Serviço (FGTS).

By 2009, the amount of units being financed by the SBPE comfortably increased by over five times to 302,680 and those financed by the FGTS increased to 396,367. This does not include the Minha Casa, Minha Vida allocation bringing the total for the year to 897 thousand properties.

Banking figures have shown that in 2004, a total of R$ 6.849 billion was lent - of which R$ 3.9 billion was via the FGTS and the remainder from the SBPE. By 2007, this figure via the FGTS increased to R$ 24.464 billion.

According to Ana Maria Castelo of the Getúlio Vargas Foundation in an interview with the Conjuntura Econômica magazine: "The growth of the market occurred in very little time both in quantitative and qualitative terms. By 2004, a significant proportion of middle class Brazilians earning over five and six times the minimum wage were able to access housing finance in addition to make use of the FGTS.

"Then, the introduction of the 'Minha Casa, Minha Vida' program in 2009 enabled those who were previously excluded to enter the market. It was not too long ago that rates were so high that the total value of the finance package exceeded that of the property..."

Brazil's Housing Deficit

"The fact that the provision of housing in Brazil has improved cannot be denied - particularly when comparing to the 1990s where there was very little housing credit and low income earner programs as what exists today as well as the lesser security for homeowners as mentioned above. Nevertheless, the issue of an insufficient supply of housing remains.

Deficit predictions vary with the João Pinheiro Foundation believing that there were 5.6 million units by the close of 2009 - of this total, 89.6 percent were of families earning between one and three of the Brazilian minimum wage (the organization point out that this does not take into account favela community dwellings and those which are sub-habitable which would certainly push this figure upwards).

According to a survey conducted by Sinduscon-SP (the Union of Construction Industry of the State of São Paulo) and the Getúlio Vargas Foundation, the Brazilian housing deficit has remained virtually unchanged between 2008 and 2009. Using data from the IBGE (Brazilian Institute of Geography and Statistics), it was concluded that the deficit for 2008 was 5,799,859 and 5,808,547 in 2009.

The data also showed a decrease in the number of makeshift dwellings by 6.8 percent from 3,780,113 in 2008 to 3,521,089 in 2009. Prior to the onset of the global downturn (between 2007 and 2008), the IBGE data estimated that 450,000 units were delivered to the entire market place but with growing demand - not to mention the population (which between 2000 and 2010 increased from 169 million to 185.7 million and the number of people per household from 3.79 to 3.34 in the same period, according to the 2010 national census) - there continues to be less supply than demand.

The João Pinheiro Foundation's analysis (for statistics leading to the close of 2008) pointed the deficit representing 9.7 percent of the total stock of the country with the Southeast (composed of Espírito Santo, Minas Gerais, Rio de Janeiro and São Paulo) having the largest proportion at 36.9 percent; followed - in order - by the Northeast (Maranhão, Piauí, Ceará, Rio Grande do Norte, Paraíba, Pernambuco, Alagoas, Sergipe and Bahia) at 35.1 percent; the South (Paraná, Santa Catarina and Rio Grande do Sul) at 10.5 percent; the North (Acre, Amapá, Amazonas, Pará, Rondônia, Roraima and Tocantins) at 10 percent and the center west Goiás, Mato Grosso, Mato Grosso do Sul and the Distrito Federal)..."

The full 2011 report can be downloaded for free by registering at the Brazil Real Estate & Land Investment Guide's website - http://www.brazilinvestmentguide.com/ - or by clicking here to read the introductory blog post: http://www.brazilinvestmentguide.com/blog/2010/12/brazil-real-estate-land-investors-2011-report/

Ruban Selvanayagam is a Brazil real estate and land specialist. For free e-books, state guides, up-to-date statistics, strategies, interviews, articles, weekly broadcasts and more head to the Brazil Real Estate and Land Investment Guide via the following link: http://www.brazilinvestmentguide.com/brazil-property-real-estate-land/



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ok , it sounds great on the surface...
written by asp, December 21, 2010
and im all for growth in brazil and its a fantastic thing that financial areas where the rest of the world is bogged down in, brazil is sliding through.

but, i thought that mortages are something we all have to look at a little more closely , based on what happened recently.i wouldnt want to get in a mortage deal and then in 3 years, the financial floor drop out and make it a heavy burden, maybe too heavy to deal with

and on the ground, when i look at prices for apartments and homes, they seem to have tripled or quadrupled, in the last 5 or 6 years , for sure , places that i wish i could live in , not just any neighborhood.

so, im a little confused. great there is growth in the housing market, but, on the ground, the prices are daunting , not even to mention huge condominium fees and iptu's that are huge.

that is the same reason new york has been imposible to think of living in for so many years, prices are ridiculas
asp
written by João da Silva, December 21, 2010

and on the ground, when i look at prices for apartments and homes, they seem to have tripled or quadrupled, in the last 5 or 6 years , for sure , places that i wish i could live in , not just any neighborhood.


You are so right! You wont get the same price as when you try to sell it in a couple of years time!! Unfortunately, not many believe that the Real estate "bubble" is going to burst, similar to what happened in the good old U.S. of A.
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written by Ruban Selvanayagam, December 21, 2010
I would agree to a certain extent - prices in a lot of areas (mainly the big cities) are out of control - particularly with regards to affordability despite increased demand, mortgages, low unemployment etc. Although I think the market is more due for a correction as opposed to a full blown bubble. It´s also difficult to provide a generalised view on the Brazilian real estate market as each state has its own idosyncracies - there are some parts where prices / yields are excellent...
Ruban Selvanayagam
written by João da Silva, December 21, 2010

It´s also difficult to provide a generalised view on the Brazilian real estate market as each state has its own idosyncracies - there are some parts where prices / yields are excellent...


You have a point there, Ruban. The keywords are "each state has its own idiosyncrasies" . Both ASP and I live in the same state and these "idiosyncrasies" are much more obvious to us than rest of the bloggers who do not know much about the Geography of Brasil. My intention is not to berate such bloggers, but to educate them.smilies/wink.gif
for sure, a great subject to ponder
written by asp, December 22, 2010
your article, ruban, is , for sure , a great subject to ponder

good points , joao

it just seems, there are so many factors that could transform the world economic situation at any time. and , real estate business could be affected by a financial crisis coming down the road , even if the cause has nothing to do with real estate

for sure, since i want to get out of my cruddy apartment (but monster location), its a subject im interested in
and, joao, something to note where i live....
written by asp, December 22, 2010
where i live, for sure the prices have gone way way up in the last decade, but, what is interesting, just riding the bus , i see house after house for sale

if people were really buying into this place, i would think there would be less houses for sale because of the demand

but i just see more and more houses for sale...for way more than a million a house

are there enough people to buy these expensive prices ?
asp
written by João da Silva, December 22, 2010


and, joao, something to note where i live....


I know where you live ASP, because you have given enough clues! You will make an awful Secret Agent.smilies/wink.gifsmilies/cheesy.gif

for sure, since i want to get out of my cruddy apartment (but monster location), its a subject im interested in


Buy a larger and much older one in our apartment complex and remodel it! You will be closer to everything, including Saraiva and the Airport.smilies/cheesy.gif

your article, ruban, is , for sure , a great subject to ponder


I agree with you. If Ruban ever decides to visit our town, I´ll be happy to discuss this issue with him as well as driving him to your suburb to get first hand info on it.Perhaps you might be interested too and if so just let me know.

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written by Ruban Selvanayagam, December 22, 2010
I'd agree with the high prices in some areas putting off buyers leading to a lot of for sale boards. I believe the issue comes down to affordability and houses being put on the market without due regard to what people can pay. How is a R$ 1 million house going to be bought by a family earning R$ 4k a month? If a 'crash' is needed to bring this in to reality, so be it - but I still feel a big thud is unlikely.

Most reports of house prices in Brazil are either made by agents or the media - so highly speculative. Let's see what happens when the new index comes into play (http://goo.gl/pUBZG) - hopefully it will mean real numbers can be used to gain clarity.
Ruban Selvanayagam
written by João da Silva, December 22, 2010

Thanks Ruban for posting the link. But Ibri, the "new index" is not applicable to the residential buildings as per what is written in the article:

Num primeiro momento, o índice trará dados consolidados apenas sobre imóveis comerciais, como shoppings, escritórios e galpões


I look forward to hearing ASP´s comment on this, as he is bilingual and meticulous in analyzing the facts and figures.
my problem is....
written by asp, December 23, 2010
i cant read "real estate talk" in english or portuguese

i just look at the simple common sence angles

like, if you pay 500,000 for a condo and then 1000 a month condo maintanence fee, what kind of life deal is that ? that is why new york is prohibitive. you end up paying more for your condo maintanence than if you rented somewhere

if you are super rich, that is one thing, but, if you are not, you buy your condo on a mortage, then add your monthly mortage to your condo maintanence fee and ill go bancrupt in a couple of years...

"growth " for the super wealthy is differant than "growth " for the not so wealthy. or, "growth" as a nation, can mean one thing, and , it can be a good thing, but, that "growth " may not translate totaly to the common man. i do think its great if more people than ever can get housing, i only hope it doesnt backfire on the people if something happens with a financial crisis that might pull the rug out from underneath them...and, personaly, i am contemplating how to get our of my cruddy apartment with great caution
Brazil's market is different
written by cúzão, December 23, 2010
I own my condo in one of the better neighborhoods in Fortaleza, had a loan at 13% but paid it off early. I got it appraised recently and its gone up about 30-40 percent since 2006. If the local real estate trend continues and the dollar goes close to 1-1, and the USA market continues to deflate, it'll be tempting to move back to the states.

Anyways, here's why Brazil's market is different: carteira assinada (very difficult to get fired or laid off). Its a _lot_ harder to get a loan without carteira assinada. The vast majority of the people in my building are public sector doctors, bureaucrats etc. This ain't England where government jobs are axed. The USA market is just so different as well - working for the government is not considered lucrative there.

IMHO, the banks are on a free ride as long as the government doesn't start laying people off. Since the banks don't give that many loans to non-government employees (way less than 20% I'd guess), I don't see a downside.

BTW, Fortaleza is a boom town right now, at least where I live. Old Houses are going down, 24 story buildings are going up. Like any market (spain is a good example), I question these new suburbs popping up, I think those are risky. But in the city, just like the downtown areas in new york / chicago etc, I think Fortaleza will do ok. No idea really about elsewhere in Brazil - haven't been to Rio or SP in like 5 years :-).
good info on fortaleza
written by asp, December 24, 2010
ive never been there but was always curious to visit
“SHOW ME THE BOOM”
written by JAY GLENN, December 24, 2010
We looked and purchased a property in Brazil Three years ago. I must say I don’t see the big boom everyone is talking about. We looked properties three years ago, that are still for sale today.
Not just a few, but a vast majorities of the ones for sale in 2007. The prices have come down in most cases, but they are still for sale. Sale prices in our condo have have dropped, not increased. Our contractor has not built a new development for two years. I guess I am saying “SHOW ME THE BOOM”.
MERRY X-MAS
written by João da Silva, December 24, 2010

Dear all,

Gimme a break. It´s Christmas eve and ya all are discussing about real estate prices in Brasil, a nuclear war between the U.S. of A and the mighty North Korea, Tokyo being made into a glass parking lot, etc; My bet is no man-made disaster is going to occur during this Christmas week end.The real-estate prices are in Brasil are going to remain where they are until after the Carnival, the God fearing North Koreans are not going to fire any missiles over Tokyo,NYC,Chicago,L.A., etc;

I can write more on this issue, but...but...but.. am too busy making preparations to receive some friends tonight to celebrate Christmas.

So my short message to you all is :Have a Merry X-mas with your nearest and dearest and wait till Monday to confront the problems of the world most of which are not our making.

Take care all of you.
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written by Ruban Selvanayagam, December 26, 2010
"the "new index" is not applicable to the residential buildings as per what is written in the article"

Apologies - here's a quote from an interview I did with Mr Picchetti earlier in 2010 on this issue:

"Q: Are there plans to have a similar index in place which can be used in the residential housing sector? A: Yes, we are in the preliminary stages of creating an index for this sector and currently in the process of evaluating a wide range of potential methodologies – some of which will use the principles of the commercial index and will be dependent on its execution."
Brazil real is "otimo" for Brazilian investors and foreign "professionals", not little semi-tourists from "outside".
written by Otton Bexaron, December 26, 2010
U.S. and Euro TV hypnotically focus ALWAYS on three scenes: 1. Rio Favelas ("Brazilians are incompentend to eradiate poverty"), "Ipanema Beach" ("The Rich in Brazil while their days away while "the people starve"), "Amazon forest" ("Us white folks can't permit those incompetend Brazil-people to damage the world climate!") Of course Bloomberg News and the Trumps know better what is happening in Brazil: Brazil is becoming "independent" from the twists and turns of U.S. Wallstreet and the Greenspan-Bernanke Federal Perverse. Brazil's biggest export market and biggest trading partner is China, and Brazil has a $ 7 billion positive trade balance with China but a negative trade balance with U.S. due to Bernankes Federal Perverse devaluation of the U.S.$ which makes Brazilian industrial product uncompetitive due to the force high valuation of the R$. The big real estate opportunities - only for professionals - are in agricultural land. Whole new cities are sprouting up in "the West" - which double their population every ten years. Cities with excellent planing and modern infrastructure. Examples see "Conheca Vilhena", "Sorriso Mato Grosso", "Lucas do Rios Verde": Located in flat agricultural land masses that provide THREE harvests per year: First Soy, followed by corn or cotton, and then last beans for the Brazilian diet. Brazilian agriculture is cutting-edge and now applied in Africa and India (Afghanistan has shown interest!). Thus for the Brazilian, or the foreign institutional investor, real estate is a solid opportunity at this time (believe it or not: Brazil's population only grows 1% a year!) But is you are not a Brazilian citizen and a foreign individual investor (not a professional group): Beware! They got "condo wars" just like in Florida, and they got lawyers like in New York!
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written by João da Silva, December 26, 2010

Beware! They got "condo wars" just like in Florida, and they got lawyers like in New York!


I wholeheartedly agree with this statement, except that even if you are a law abiding Brasilian citizen minding your own business, you are drawn into this "Condo War".smilies/angry.gif. The casualties in general are older folks who worked all through their lives & payed off their mortgages.smilies/sad.gif
Otton Bexaron
written by Ramesh Kapoor, December 26, 2010

Brazilian agriculture is cutting-edge and now applied in Africa and India


As an Indian with very good contacts in Brazil, I respect your comments. However, I have to disagree with the policy of your government which favors large land owners and ignores small farmers. We were very disappointed to read that Brazil was on top of the wall during the last round of Doha talks.

As for your biggest "trading partner" China, all the best. Hopefully you wouldn't come to regret in future with this "partnership", like the Americans are doing right now!

Namaste.
Ramesh Kapoor
written by João da Silva, December 27, 2010

As for your biggest "trading partner" China, all the best.


There is a back-lash in our society against our "biggest trading partner". Even our outgoing Minister for External Affairs Mr.Celso Amorim has commented that one of the tasks facing the new government is to review our trade policy with PRC. I don't think Mr.Bexoran is fully aware of the negative effects the China Trade is causing on the Brasilian economy.

As for your comment:

We were very disappointed to read that Brazil was on top of the wall during the last round of Doha talks.


Unfortunately, I have to agree with you. But please remember the Chinese delegation also sat on top of the wall also, while the Argentinians were firmer. smilies/sad.gif
Foreign Investment
written by JoeII, December 28, 2010
Kind of difficult for a foreigner to buy anything in Brazil especially if they plan on spending time in Brazil seeing that the banks won't even open a checking account for you if you don't have a permanent visa. Even if you qualify for a permanent visa it normally takes two years to receive.

The prices on Brazilian properties even in capitols in the northeast are now extremely expensive and interest rates, in most cases, are high if attainable at all being a foreigner.

Brazil has many things to change if they want to attract and KEEP foreign investors.
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written by cúzão, December 28, 2010
We looked and purchased a property in Brazil Three years ago. I must say I don’t see the big boom everyone is talking about. We looked properties three years ago, that are still for sale today.
Not just a few, but a vast majorities of the ones for sale in 2007. The prices have come down in most cases, but they are still for sale. Sale prices in our condo have have dropped, not increased. Our contractor has not built a new development for two years. I guess I am saying “SHOW ME THE BOOM”.


Where did you buy it? In the city or rural? House or condo?

While I'm skeptical about there being a banking crisis in Brazil, primarily due to most of those with loans have stable government jobs, I do question if there are enough qualified buyers for the new house / condo market at R$250K and up. The government on average doesn't pay enough for that. In the suburbs though, whose markets seem to crash first everywhere, I wouldn't be surprised if that market is stable. On the other hand I see a lot of trendy markets skyrocketing - pick any of the better large city neighborhoods in the NE and you'll likely see a boom.
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written by João da Silva, December 28, 2010

While I'm skeptical about there being a banking crisis in Brazil, primarily due to most of those with loans have stable government jobs, I do question if there are enough qualified buyers for the new house / condo market at R$250K and up.


There is no banking crisis in Brasil and the "qualified buyers" need no bank loans to buy properties at R$250k and above at trendy neighborhoods. Such nice folks pay C.O.D. and not through any bank transfersmilies/wink.gifsmilies/cheesy.gif
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written by cúzão, December 28, 2010
Kind of difficult for a foreigner to buy anything in Brazil especially if they plan on spending time in Brazil seeing that the banks won't even open a checking account for you if you don't have a permanent visa. Even if you qualify for a permanent visa it normally takes two years to receive.

The prices on Brazilian properties even in capitols in the northeast are now extremely expensive and interest rates, in most cases, are high if attainable at all being a foreigner.

Brazil has many things to change if they want to attract and KEEP foreign investors.


Its not hard to get a CPF if you are buying real estate - I've seen clueless gringos do it. All you need to get a loan is 30 percent down and a registered job (carteira assinada) - a steady job is required everywhere these days. However, if you are a foreigner anyways and have a good credit rating, you could just send the money to Brazil and not even deal with a local loan, in the end being far cheaper, especially if your foreign currency drops in value.
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written by João da Silva, December 28, 2010

you could just send the money to Brazil and not even deal with a local loan, in the end being far cheaper, especially if your foreign currency drops in value.


How could that be, Mr.Cúzão? If your "foreign currency" drops in value, you take it up your Cú. Just reflect for a minute or two.smilies/cool.gif
fifth ave ..you are not and never will be
written by u.s observer, December 28, 2010
funny article promoting brazil,s real estate ...and like everything that comes from this part of the world ...the story stinks with bull sh*t ..the photo of the bldg,,, is a bldg in new york city ...brazil you have no middle class to drive anything economically...perhaps your nationals who are sure to be facing deportation from the u.s.as illegal aliens will be coming back to brazil with their ill gotten u.s. dollars to magically boost your real estate fantasy...they are painting houses for cheap and cleaning toilets and eluding u.s. authorities on a daily basis much like they lived in brazil as income tax scofflaws under the table workers ,inherently criminal and corrupt..only a idiot could possibly buy into this crap..
get a life , us observer
written by asp, December 29, 2010
your statements are so blatently ridiculas they are pathetic

even more pathetic are there are a bunch of americans running around who think like you do...is it any wonder the usa is gasping for breath trying to get back up?

people who think like you are the real problem for the usa, they got us into this mess, they are keeping us in this mess, and they are sabotoging every step to try to get out of this mess
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written by cúzão, December 29, 2010
"How could that be, Mr.Cúzão? If your "foreign currency" drops in value, you take it up your Cú. Just reflect for a minute or two."

Economics 101: buy low, sell high. Case in point: Say you sent USD $100K to Brazil in February 2009 at R$2.4 per dollar(low value of the Real), getting you enough for a R$240K condo. Sell it today and cash out at R$1.68 per dollar(high value of the Real), assuming after selling and conversion fees you get back at least what you put in(easy in a hot market). You just earned USD $42K profit in less than 2 years. You can do that if your loan is in Dollars, even better at a lower USA interest rate.

Now would be the time to try that trick in Euros, since its pretty obvious its going to drop and Brazil real estate has imho at least 2 more years before the bubble bursts.


To 'cúzão'
written by me, January 04, 2011
The CPF is easy to get - I'm a 'gringo' and I have one. However, you need a permanent resident card to open a bank account. I couldn't open a bank account with my CPF. I was going to invest in Brazil a few years ago, but not being able to have a local bank account can make life very difficult. I don't like the idea of dealing in large amounts of cash - too dangerous, and possibly illegal. 'JoeII' is totally correct in his statements.

It's possible to have a pricing bubble without it being driven by loans. I think that Brazilian real estate IS in a bubble, because it is currently overpriced. When prices go down dramatically, a lot of personal wealth can be destroyed. I just hope that when the bubble bursts there will be a soft landing.
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written by MathisLorie, September 26, 2012
It's understandable that money can make us disembarrass. But how to act when someone has no cash? The one way is to get the loan or auto loan.

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