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Brazil's Cattle King Made Me a Fairy Godmother for a Day and Taught Me Lesson for Life PDF Print E-mail
2011 - June 2011
Written by Sylvia Kronstadt   
Thursday, 16 June 2011 22:41

Tião Maia It wasn't until we were at 51,000 feet in the Lear jet that I realized there had been a terrible misunderstanding. I thought Tião Maia - the 52-year-old Brazilian cattle baron sitting next to me - was taking me directly to Salt Lake City to spend the holidays with my family. But after we reached our cruising altitude, the billionaire produced a map and pointed out all the places we would be going first - a two-week adventure that included a stay at a luxury resort in Acapulco.

My stomach convulsed. The word "parachute" entered my mind.
How did I keep getting into these uncomfortable, sometimes dangerous, situations? I was saying "Oops, I Did it Again" ten years before Britney Spears was even born.

Since Maia spoke virtually no English and I spoke virtually no Portuguese, and we each spoke only a little French, the confusion was understandable, but the plan wasn't acceptable.    

I took the map and pointed, "New York-Salt Lake City."

"No, no, no," he repeated: "New York, Chicago, Dallas, Houston, Acapulco, San Francisco, Salt Lake City."

The cabin was starting to feel very claustrophobic. I was having a hard time breathing. How was I going to get myself out of this predicament?

It all began innocently enough, as everything always does. I had never been to a formal ball before - but it was about time, I was 25! - and my doctor had invited me to a gala hosted by the Brazilian Consulate. 

My dear doctor - who had grown up in the horrific poverty of Brazil's favelas  - was a dazzlingly handsome  Ricardo-Montalban-sort-of-guy, except that he was even more gorgeous, with his tan skin, lustrous hair and long, thick eyelashes.

Serra never admitted to me that he was gay, and I'm not sure he ever admitted it to himself or acted upon it. He was an ardently devout Catholic, who went to Mass at least once a day. It was evident to me in his interactions with other men that signals were nervously shooting back and forth, often amid uncomfortable, inexplicable laughter and the intermittent adjustment of trousers.

I'm sure he was tormented, and it pains me to think what he was going through. He was wonderful friend and a fine physician.

But I was happy to be enlisted as his platonic "date" over the  years, and we roared around Manhattan in his frosted blue Mercedes convertible to both fancy and casual events. 

I was honored to be exposed to the warmth and vitality of New York's proud Brazilian community. It was they who introduced me to the brilliant concept of rice and beans, which has been the centerpiece of my diet ever since.

Rice, Beans and Collard Greens

They served me their version, feijoada, which they call "soul food," because it was basically invented by poor people, who added whatever scraps of meat and seafood they could scrounge up to the richly sauced black beans. It was served with finely shredded, sauteed collard greens and a liquor made from sugar cane, cachaça. This drink will blow your head off, so please sip it judiciously.

I had nothing remotely resembling a ball gown. Serra waved off my concern. "We will really fix you up. I've got friends who have party dresses coming out of their ears," he said.

Serra had a small office in a fancy building near Fifth Avenue. His clientele consisted of two extremes. On the one hand, he cared for the minimum-wage Brazilian maids and service workers, whom he adored, and who paid their bills on time, usually in cash.

He had also become a sort of "pet" in the way that Truman Capote had been, to the city's elite ladies, the heiresses and socialites who were followed by the media for their style, their parties, their restaurant favorites. They did not pay their bills, unless he pleaded with them over and over again. I'm sure he wouldn't have put up with it if he hadn't been so flattered to be their "special friend."

Serra was their confidante and luncheon escort, as well as their general practitioner. I went to a soiree at Gloria Vanderbilt's fabulous place with Serra, and there I met her son, the five-year-old Anderson Cooper, who eventually became a TV journalism superstar. He was, to use Rosie O'Donell's expression, a real "cutie patootie."

Anyway, one of these rich, spoiled but I guess very nice ladies told Serra she'd be happy to loan me a Size 8 ballgown. She actually had her driver bring four of them to Serra's spacious east-side apartment, each encased in a zippered cover, and we had quite an amusing time, like two giddy teenage girls, as I tried on each one.

They were beautiful. What made it particularly fun is that Serra had a huge jewelry box filled with antique pieces that someone, for some reason, had left him in her will. So we were trying on various necklaces, bracelets and earrings as well as the dresses.

When we entered the Grand Ballroom, I was wearing a silvery strapless gown that fell into deep folds beneath the waist. It was stunning, but I will never wear anything strapless again! It is a wardrobe malfunction just waiting to happen.

I felt like Cinderella in the sense that I didn't think anything about me belonged at this gathering except for the outfit. Everyone was much older than I, although that happened a lot during my New York years. But there were very few women. I guess all those diplomats had left their wives back in Brazil.

Anyway, I was treated by the herd of men as kind of the belle of the ball - and I was all rosy from the champagne, enjoying it - until I made the mistake of expressing an opinion. It was immediately, stunningly clear that this was not acceptable. The men's demeanor toward me changed palpably. They took a step back, glanced around the room, and went elsewhere for conversation.

Obviously, I was supposed to be a decoration, peripheral to the realm of issues and controversies. It was as if the clock had struck twelve and I was once again a scullery maid.

What is a ball, anyway? It seemed like a mere cocktail party to me, except that the venue was grander and the clothes were formal. I thought we'd be doing the waltz or the minuet to a full orchestra.

The guest of honor arrived an hour late. It was the man in whose Lear jet I would soon be flying, Frigorífico Tião Maia. He was the second-richest man in Brazil, Serra told me. He had a vast empire of holdings, but the centerpiece was his massive cattle ranch, and in fact his title,

"Frigorífico," basically connotes slaughterhouse or meat locker, although it is used in slang to describe a man with an especially huge penis. Two kinds of flesh I can't stand wrapped into one grand title! There is also a town in southeastern Brazil with that name. It is considered to be a very esteemed, honorific title in Brazil.

He was famous for having built an entire city for orphans - which sounds far-fetched and probably misguided - but that's what people told me.

And his various, far-flung meat-packing operations were credited with bringing a major economic boom to many communities. A website for the town Araçatuba, for example, says "The vitality was spurred in the 1970s with the coming of Nestlé and the foundation of T. Maia Meatplant, belonging to the cattle raiser Tião Maia, one of the most famous in Brazil."

He was also known as a ladies' man (he would marry Miss International Beauty 1968, Maria da Glória Carvalho, several years later), and it didn't take long for him to join the small group of people of which Serra and I were a part. He was a tall man with big, sad eyes and a melancholy smile.

Someone had just asked me if I was going home for the holidays. I said I couldn't afford it. I saw that Maia was asking someone for a translation, and then I was told that "the Frigorífico"  was flying his Lear jet to San Francisco, and he would be happy to drop me off in Salt Lake City. 

He would be leaving in just a few days. Doesn't that sound OK? What could possibly go wrong except for a little plane crash, and that was a concern of mine no matter how big the plane was.

So there we were, at 51,000 feet. We were eating macadamia nuts and drinking champagne, which is an excellent remedy for mild anxiety, but mine wasn't mild. At that point, we were trying to communicate mostly through gestures and facial expressions, which became very exaggerated, as if we were in a silent movie. When I repeatedly signaled, "no, no, no" to his two-week itinerary, he made a very tragic, anguished face and pointed to invisible tears running down his cheeks.

Just in time, one of the three young men in the pilots' cabin came back to ask a question. Oscar was one of those guys who makes you smile just seeing his loose, playful mode of operation. I assumed he was Brazilian - there's a large black population there - and he had an earring and Rastafarian dreadlocks and wore a cool Brazilian soccer T-shirt, but when I complimented him on his English, he laughed and said he was from L.A. He had gone to Brazil for a college service project 10 years ago and never left.

I asked him to please explain to "the Frigorífico" that I had been led to believe he was taking me home TODAY, and that my parents were expecting me at the airport.

He talked to Maia, and there was some back and forth,

"He's asking you to consider a compromise," Oscar said. 'We have a quick stop to make at O'Hare. He's got a conference room reserved, and he's got some business to take care of, only about an hour. Then he really wants to take you to Dallas, for the Texas State Fair.

He's going there to buy some Brahma bulls to 'reinvigorate' his breeding stock, but he thinks it would be fun if you'd come. Just come hang out with us, and then he said he'll buy you a ticket to Salt Lake, and you'll be home by tomorrow night."

I despise state fairs. They are stinky, hot and chaotic. The food is crap. The games are stupid and rigged. It hurts me to see animals pent up and gawked at. I don't care how big your pumpkin is! And your oil painting of tumbleweed just doesn't do it for me.

"There will be cotton candy," Oscar said jokingly.

Wow, cotton candy. It's been awhile.

Of course I still don't want to go, but I am trying to decide if I have to, in order not to be rude and ungrateful.

"I have to ask you something, Oscar," I said. "I wasn't planning on an overnighter. Is he expecting me to sleep with him?"

"Knowing Tião Maia, I'd say he is hoping but not expecting," Oscar said. "Like most Brazilian men, he's a total horn dog. But he respects women who say no."

I asked him if he could somehow convey my "NO" to Maia in a way that wouldn't create any ill feelings, and he said "no problemo."

Oscar did such a good job that once we arrived at the hotel, Maia didn't just request separate rooms - he requested separate floors!

But then, as I was just about to go to bed, Maia appeared at my door in baby blue satin pajamas and a matching robe, carrying a bouquet of roses. He began his silent-movie expressions once more, with an exaggerated gaze of sadness and  pleading. He banged his fist into his chest, which I guess signified a beating heart.

"Sylvia!," he said plaintively. "Sylvia!"

He attempted to take me in his arms. I firmly said, "No!" and that was all that was required. He actually bowed before leaving the room, as if to reassure me that he wasn't angry.

The four of us  - Maia, the two pilots, Oscar and I - met for breakfast the next morning in the hotel restaurant. I asked the waiter if they had any  buckwheat pancakes. He said no. So I ordered whole-wheat toast and cottage cheese. Maia sensed that something had not gone properly during this transaction, so he asked Oscar for a translation.

Poor Oscar. It was left to him to tell the waiter, "Mr. Maia says that the young lady is to be served buckwheat pancakes. Pronto. Do what you gotta do. Just get the damn pancakes."

I was mortified. I tried to reassure everyone that I like cottage cheese just as much as buckwheat pancakes, but it was no use.

"I hope the waiter will get a big tip," I said to Oscar.

"I've never seen Maia leave less than a hundred-dollar bill, even when all he had was a cup of coffee," Oscar grinned.

It didn't seem to take any longer than usual for our breakfast to arrive. My steaming stack of very buck-wheaty pancakes came with a little pitcher of blackstrap molasses, which is just how my mother always served them.

Maia was very warm and attentive toward me. Through Oscar, he asked about my family, my schooling and my prison-reform work in New York. I wasn't able to convince him that prisons should be "humane."

"Maia says the criminals  are animals and should be treated like animals," Oscar said. "He thinks most of them should be shot."

That wasn't funny, but I had to laugh. I had been told that Maia had amassed his fortune by being positively ruthless, doing whatever it took - including paying people off and sabotaging his competitors - to reach the top. I didn't say anything, but it seemed to me that he was a real animal himself.

I considered faking a fainting episode or saying that I was having such a hugely gushing menstrual period that I didn't dare go strolling through the Texas State Fair, but I decided to be mature and sporting about the whole thing and try to enjoy it. That isn't my usual approach, but I can muster it occasionally.

"It will be excellent if you do come, because Maia wants so much for you to see the Brahma bulls. He regards these animals as one of nature's most spectacular creations," Oscar said. "He is, like, really wild about them."

That sounded like a lovely impulse, to want to share with another person the thing that you love and admire.

It might have been nice to see them in a pasture, their tails flicking in the breeze. But they were tethered, and lined up in stalls to be examined before an auction later in the day. Maia scrutinized  them coldly, looking for traits he wanted bred into his stock.

I felt as if I were at a slave auction. All these guys roaming from stall to stall, feeling the musculature, poking these helpless 2,000-pound creatures to assess their temperaments, even grasping their penises, for which there was probably no legitimate excuse. Just havin' a good time, ma'am, mixin' business with pleasure.

The bulls were beautiful creatures, in many color combinations and configurations. Some had huge humps, others had heavy-looking flaps of skin down to their abdomens, some had horns. Their glossy, huge, healthy bodies were dazzling.

As Maia stood back, dictating notes on each "specimen" to one of the pilots, I went over to the head of each stall and faced the bulls. I looked into their eyes, and I stroked their noses and cheeks. I know this sounds creepily melodramatic, but I said "I love you" to each one.

Maybe you would understand if you could have been there and looked into their eyes as they helplessly awaited their fates with patient resignation. They just stared back at me. I couldn't tell if they got any sense of my compassion for them. I have become such a crybaby in my old age that I'm sure I would run out of there sobbing if I had this experience today. These animals were "beings," not just slabs of steak.

"Brahmans are intelligent, inquisitive and shy. They are excellent and attentive mothers, hardy and adaptable to a wide range of feed and climate. Brahmans like affection and can become very tame. They quickly respond to handling they receive, good or bad," according to the Oklahoma State University Department of Agriculture,

So before you smash their heads with a stun gun, yank them upside-down and then slash their abdomens open, allowing their innards to crash and splash to the floor, be nice to them. It will make matters easier for everyone involved.

The whole thing made me ill.

"If this makes you ill, don't ever visit one of his slaughterhouses," Oscar said. "A little gore doesn't bother me, but it is just huge bloody murder in there. The smell alone would probably make you faint."

Brahma bulls, which are the "sacred cow" of India, are named after the Hindu god of Creation. They evolved in some of the harshest conditions on Earth, and thus they developed resistance to heat, drought, illness and pests. They are widely bred and cross-bred in many parts of the world, including the U.S., Australia, Argentina, Brazil and Colombia.

American Brahmans are known as a docile, intelligent breed of beef cattle, but that doesn't stop the meat industry from hacking them to pieces and getting them onto dinner tables around the globe.

"They have established a considerable reputation for a high dressing percentage, and their carcasses have a very good 'cutout' value with minimum of outside fat," according to the Brahma Bull Association, which adds that their "marbling" is superb.

A real delicacy, either because of its novelty or its flavor, is the "cupim," which is taken from the hump of the bull.

If you want to buy some top-notch Brahmin semen to help your regular old American cow produce a baby you can both be proud of, you can order it by the vial online.  

I don't know if Maia loved these animals only because of their profitability or if he respected their beauty and stoicism as well.

At last, we left the vast display area and walked out into the sunshine. The color and festivity were startling after the environment we'd been in for the past hour.

It was like departing from purgatory and entering someone's idea of Heaven, although it certainly wasn't mine. All those gaudy booths, the food, the games, the displays, the rides, gave me a bit of visual overload. Children were running around in little packs, many of them barefoot, to see - but not to partake - of the fun. They were a penniless, raggedy bunch, most of them Mexican and quite a few black and white kids, too.

Maia opened his valise and took out a banded stack of twenty-dollar bills. He said something to Oscar and then handed them to me.

"Maia wants you to give out the money to the children, so they can have a great day at the fair," he said.

At first, I felt awkward, but the children soon relieved me of that. Three beautiful young Mexican boys were running past, and I called "Buenos dias!" waving a bill in my hand.

They stopped, their eyes large, their demeanor uncertain. I gave each one a twenty-dollar bill and said, "Pasala bien. Pasala rico!"

They screamed with delight and ran off, crying "gracias, gracias!"

For the next thirty minutes or so, I got to be a fairy godmother, blowing the minds of one child after another with this magical Gift from Out of Nowhere. I was in a blur of joy and fragrant breeze and fluttering pennants, and I felt as if glitter were pouring down around me.

As the word spread, adorable children engulfed me as I walked down the thoroughfare, with Maia and his staff staying close behind.  The children  were ecstatic. They were in disbelief. They jumped and shrieked, and a couple of them did somersaults.

I was laughing with joy as I repeated, "Pasala bien. Pasala rico!" Enjoy it! Savor it!

For some reason, the ballgown entered my mind. I was wearing Levi's and a cowboy shirt, but Maia had given me a "belle of the ball" experience that required no chiffon or sequins. He gave me the gift of learning the pleasure of giving.

Of course, giving away hundreds of dollars that someone else has earned is not the same as giving away your own money. I hadn't experienced true generosity today for that reason, but this baby step taught me a lesson that would  put me on the path to generosity, a path that I am still exploring.

Jeffrey D. Driggs, Director of Development at the University of Utah College of Science, recently said to me, "Giving money away isn't as simple as you expected, is it?"

I know it isn't simple. There are so many things to take into consideration that the complexity can become quite paralyzing. For example, the twenty bucks those lovable children blew on junk food, games and rides could have paid for a nice pair of shoes that would have lasted months, unlike the fair, which probably took it all away within an hour or so.

But I will never forget the lesson Maia gave me in what joy it can bring to give to someone in need.

As we were about to leave, so they could take me to the airport, Oscar said, "What about that cotton candy?"

"My god, we almost forgot!" I replied. "Let's go get some. It's on me."

Frigorífico Tião Maia died in 2005 at the age of 89.

Sylvia Kronstadt is a semi-retired writer/editor living in Salt Lake City. During her years in New York, her magazine articles appeared in some of the most prestigious publications in the country. She has since worked as an editor for newspapers and magazines. Her most recent article appeared in the Chronicle of Higher Education in April.
 
Kronstadt loves Brazilian people, culture and food, She didn't mention in the article that she met three young men at the "ball" - two of them were diplomats, and one was president of the Brazilian American Society - who she dated for a time. She liked going out with them, but her favorite experience, she tells, was being invited to their family gatherings. She wishes she had a family like that - so much fun and warmth!
 
This article appeared originally on her blog:
http://kronstantinople.blogspot.com/



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written by João da Silva, June 17, 2011

A lovely nostalgic and romantic article. I figure the year was 1968. I did go through the original article published in her blog-spot to find out if the old "Tião" took her to Acapulco or not. No luck! I did enjoy looking at the old pictures published with her story, though.

I ´d also like to know what happened to Dr.Serra, Oscar and other two pilots.
1968?
written by Ederson, June 17, 2011
Joao, 51,000 feet would have been an incredible achievement for any Lear in 1968.smilies/wink.gif
Ederson
written by João da Silva, June 17, 2011

First of all, I am relieved that you are hale and healthy! Second of all, I am overjoyed to hear that you too were dumbstruck to read that the Learjet in 1968 could climb up to a cruising altitude of 51,000 feet. (We do sound like Jimmy Stewart, don't we?) Third of all I goggled and found out that it could be Learjet 29 that the old boy Maia owned and probably he asked the pilots to test it to fly at 51,000' smilies/wink.gif

BTW, I got my maths correctly (I am not too good at it, though). It was the year 1968.smilies/grin.gif
Math is apparently wrong
written by Simpleton, June 18, 2011
Sorry to say OM, but it seems to be that the 29 was not yet in service in 68. Getting someone to push it above it's rated ceiling is a plausable speculation though, especially in Brasil where dinheiro e muito poderosa. Google more and have a "cold one" on me, Eddie has no doubt gone off to bed by now as there is probably still liquid gold from the "Cu doce" in the spreader to be flung upon the fields in the morning.
Simpleton, Joao
written by Ederson, June 18, 2011
Ah, yes! Simpleton knows my heart! A brisk, cool morning, a netrient-starved paddock, my tractor and spreader; what more could a good man ask for?smilies/cheesy.gif

Joao, if you ever want to scare a knowledgeable young pilot to death, lock him in the passenger cabin of a Lear while two cowboys try and establish a new cruising altitude recored above the printed service ceiling!smilies/wink.gif Oh, it can be done; pull a few circut breakers and cross your fingers. Google "coffin corner" for a concise explanation.smilies/wink.gif I much prefer flying low, so that if your engine quits in a steep turn, you merely pick a number of tall trees and aim for the leaves. Just remember not to climb down from the trees until you are sure the airplane is going to stay parked in the trees! Don't let your machine fall on top of you!smilies/cheesy.gifsmilies/cheesy.gif By the way, you can easily duplicate the sounds of landing in a tree by surrounding yourself with thousands of pots and pans and then invite your friends to attack the pile with just as many hammers.smilies/grin.gifsmilies/grin.gif
Simpleton
written by João da Silva, June 18, 2011

but it seems to be that the 29 was not yet in service in 68


I beg your pardon, my honored sir. It should have been LJ 25.
Just guessing.
written by Ederson, June 18, 2011
Correct me if I'm wrong. But didn't TAM have two Lear 24s, one of which crashed? Perhaps that was the variant of the Lear in which she was riding. Absolutely fantastic story! TAM will always be one of my favorite airlines! Never underestimate a farmer, even Brasilian farmers!smilies/wink.gifsmilies/wink.gifsmilies/wink.gif
Underestimating
written by Simpleton, June 18, 2011
Joao, as another date marker / telltale you might use the "ten years before Britney Spears was even born" comment - that would put it at 71 (or 70)instead of 68. Still too early for FL51.

Speaking of coffin corners Eddie, they are not all in airborne conditions. Check out what happened to the new G650 testing for takeoff distance at minimum flaps in New Mexico earlier this year. Sad story for six of my flight test brethren, especially their families and loved ones - my heart goes out to them.
Simpleton, Joao
written by Ederson, June 18, 2011
Simpleton, I know Joao tossed us this one just to give us a puzzle over the weekend. I'm in the shop at the moment putting an airplane together, so I have time to give this a thought.

Wasn't Tiao Maia one of the original farmers instrumental to TAM's success? My memory is not all that clear, but didn't he donate two Lear 24s to the growing airline? The timing sure fits the article. Like I said, I enjoy reading anything concerning TAM.

Simpleton. I'll have to take a moment and research the G650 incident. It completely escaped me.
Coffin corner
written by Simpleton, June 18, 2011
Somehow my foggy memory wasn't working quite right with the numbers. The death count was four not six. The coffin corner testing was more than just takeoff distance at minimum flaps, it was takeoff distance at minimum flaps with one engine out.

Here's a link
http://www.aviationweek.com/aw/generic/story.jsp?id=news/awx/2011/04/07/awx_04_07_2011_p0-307680.xml&channel=busav
My gosh!
written by Ederson, June 18, 2011
Simpleton. I found it on YouTube. That poor thing left a burn mark a mile long [it seems] before it came to a stop directly in front of the tower and exploded. It is remarkable the testing and development that goes into developing a safe and practical business jet that we all too often take for granted.

I'm still interested in knowing what model of Lear Ms. Kronstadt was writing about in her article if anyone should ever find the correct answer. I'm still guessing it was one of the Lears given to TAM by Tiao Maia. Just another interesting bit of trivia to amuse me, thanks to Joao.smilies/wink.gif
Ederson
written by João da Silva, June 18, 2011

I'm still interested in knowing what model of Lear Ms. Kronstadt was writing about in her article if anyone should ever find the correct answer. I'm still guessing it was one of the Lears given to TAM by Tiao Maia. Just another interesting bit of trivia to amuse me, thanks to Joao


I dunno for sure, Eddie. I´m receiving too much flak from our friendly agent in Iowa. Your point on TAM well taken, though! Ah think it was Learjet 23.

But...but..but... (Hope ch.c doesn't sue me for using his patented expression), I´ll let Mr.Simpleton to read the following link and try to figure out:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/T..._Executiva

I'm in the shop at the moment putting an airplane together, so I have time to give this a thought.


You sound like Herr. Heinrich Dorfmann.smilies/wink.gif BTW, I still have the VHS tape.smilies/smiley.gif
Dorfmann
written by Ederson, June 19, 2011
A great movie! Hardy Kruger would have fit into my family at the breakfast table, and no one would have noticed him.smilies/wink.gif He's living proof that blondes can play dramatic roles in a movie and not just the dumb ones. He looks a great deal like my brother while I was blessed with the more desirable features attributed to the Anglo/Saxon branch of the family.smilies/cheesy.gifsmilies/cheesy.gif

One note of cool trivia concerning Hardy Kruger is that the John Wayne movie, "Hatari" was filmed on Kruger's farm.

The scene where Jimmy Stewart tries to start the engine on Dorfmann's creation was always important to me. When I was very young, the first thing I learned in life, besides learning how to walk, was how to start a R-2800 just like the one in the movie, almost. I never did a shotgun start. Ours always had starters. Seven turns of the blade using the starter and primer, stop when it's leaking out the cowling, hit the switch, and when it takes, bring in the mixture. That's how I remember it. Seemed to work. If it backfired, people stared at you.smilies/grin.gifsmilies/grin.gif
Brasil and Boeing
written by Ederson, June 19, 2011
Joao, on a more serious note, are you watching what PBO and his administration are doing to Boeing? I can't make sense out of it.
If, in the end, PBO wins and Boeing eventually tires and moves more of their production overseas to China, and etc., I wish they would consider Brasil . If the Yanks keep insisting on destroying their industrial base, I'd like to see Brasil step in and offer them what, apparently, they aren't able to find in Yankeeland. The technology transfer and increased jobs would be wonderful. Just curious if anyone knows if anything is being done to attract the aerospace jobs and corporations the Yanks don't want.
Historia
written by Simpleton, June 19, 2011
Now don't you go getting all Mr. Mr. on me Joao! Save that for your elders! You appear to be correct with regards to the aircraft being 25's and that Maia's Learjet aircraft were eventually picked up by TAM. That transaction was apparently in 72, so the article's story appears entirely consistent (except for the FL51 bit).

Ederson, if you haven't already found this website, you would probably enjoy the TAM Museu:
http://www.museutam.com.br/comandante_rolim.php

I think it would be fantastic if Boeing moved something significant to Brasil, I'd have better luck getting a post allowing me to relocate with Boeing than getting in the door somehow with Embraer or one of it's Brasilian contractors / suppliers.
Boeing, China, and Brasil
written by Ederson, June 19, 2011
GE's selling of its electronic aviation controls to a partner in China is indicative of possible missed opportunities for Brasil. Granted, such purchases take money that perhaps developmental interests in Brasil don't have, but as the Yankee aviation industry begins to sell itself, I can't help but feel that somewhere inside this mess is an opportunity for Brasil. The Yanks are going to regret this sale, much as they regret Clinton's selling of technology which guaranteed the accuracy of China's offensive missiles under the guise of improving China's domestic satillites.smilies/cheesy.gif
The interesting aspect concerning Boeing's already partial exit from Yankeeland, particularly in the commercial sector, is that they hire local engineering talent. So, in a sense, and I'm no economist, but it seems anyone willing to become a partner with Boeing, and such, benefits not only in the technology transfer, and jobs, but also in the raising of education levels of their own citizens.

In China's case, such an investment no doubt involves government assistance, such as might be required if Brasil were to catch Boeing's attention.
I've searched for Boeing initiatives with Brasil, and there are several. I just hope it's a growing trend and sincerely hope that if PBO and his administration is serious about hurting Boeing that such a fine corporation looks south for relief. Just my opinion of course. I would be thrilled if Brasil someday opted for the cheaper F-18 over the French offering and took advantage of the opportunity to strengthening it's own military industrial base when it comes to locally produced aircraft.
Ederson
written by João da Silva, June 19, 2011

c.c to: Simpleton

Boeing, China, and Brasil


It is a fantastic post, Eddie and please do accept my kudos for raising a topic that is dear to my heart. I have to point out certain things, though:

Joao, on a more serious note, are you watching what PBO and his administration are doing to Boeing? I can't make sense out of it.


I am not sure if the "rape" of the U.S. manufacturing based economy (not just the Boeing) started with PBO & CO. Sometime ago, I said in this blog that Dick Nixon and Henry Kissenger started this process in 1974 and their successors have been following their "policy" relentlessly.Bill Clinton took a "giant leap" with his "globalization" of the economy and exported all the American jobs in the manufacturing sector to PRC. GWB was good man who was more focused on going in hot pursuit of Islamo-Fascists than recognizing the "Yellow peril" was walking through their back door freely.So I wouldn't put the blame squarely on PBO.

If the Yanks keep insisting on destroying their industrial base, I'd like to see Brasil step in and offer them what, apparently, they aren't able to find in Yankeeland. The technology transfer and increased jobs would be wonderful. Just curious if anyone knows if anything is being done to attract the aerospace jobs and corporations the Yanks don't want.


As for wooing the Boeing, you know ever since you have known me, I am all in favor of creating high tech well paid jobs for our youngsters (and oldsters) in Brasil. We do have plenty of brains and what we lack, we can afford to import from overseas, as our immigration laws permit it. Unfortunately, I am at a loss to discern what exactly is the policy of our "rulers".However, I get a feeling they are following the footsteps of the Yanks by exporting our manufacturing jobs to PRC, content with their policy and "caressing their navels" with their fudged stats.smilies/angry.gif

Sorry for my outburst, Eddie (& Simpleton). Last month I spent a few weeks in Europe and the picture wasn't pretty either. They also seem to have succumbed to the "China Syndrome". smilies/sad.gif
Joao. You are so right!
written by Ederson, June 19, 2011
Joao. Yes, I agree with you completely concerning when the Yanks began exporting their industrial base and jobs. However, if that wasn't bad enough, they are also exporting their technology and expertise to countries that openly oppose them militarily and have expressed a strong desire to compete with them commercially, even when it comes to commercial aviation.

It is a well known fact that the Chinese, using the engineering pool developed by Yankee manufactures within China, and the technology they have received from the Yanks, are on the verge of being Boeing's new competitors.
I understand the Chinese market is huge for America's commercial aircraft manufacturers, but I wish the powers-that-be in Brasil would stand up and wave a flag to get Boeing's attention.
I believe the problems is partially due to the fact that most Yanks feel that Brasil only exports Brasil Nuts, bikinis, soybeans, and cows.
I also wonder if Brasil's investment in the future olympics is money wasted. What would the same money do to Brasil's image if it taunted Brasil's creative and industrial potential?smilies/wink.gif

I also apologize for blaming PBO, but his attack on Boeing amazes me. He should be praising Boeing for doing all it can to remain competitive.
We've shared this rant many times, Joao. Sorry if I just had to sound off again.smilies/cheesy.gif
Ederson
written by João da Silva, June 20, 2011

Joao. You are so right!


Thank you so much for the compliment, Eddie. But...but...but.. my wife doesn't think so. I intend making her read your comment and repeat it 100 times.smilies/cheesy.gif

I also apologize for blaming PBO, but his attack on Boeing amazes me. He should be praising Boeing for doing all it can to remain competitive.


You are not really apologizing for blaming PBO. You just don't want to get into a quarrel with our mutual buddies ASP and Simpleton who are ardent supporters of President Barry.smilies/wink.gifsmilies/cheesy.gif

On a serious note: Honestly, I haven't been keeping a track of the tussle between Barry Vs Boeing. Please clue me in so that I can express my words of wisdom.

BTW, once in a while I read the comments of the Americans in MSNBC about PBO. Then I start thinking if he is going to be another one term President like Jimmy Carter. My bet is on his getting re-elected, unless Ricardo comes out with a convincing argument against it.smilies/wink.gifsmilies/cheesy.gifsmilies/grin.gif
Joao and Boeing
written by Ederson, June 20, 2011
Boeing is 2 percent of the Yank's exports and indirectly responsible for 1.200,000 Yankee jobs. It is John Wayne American and trying hard to remain tried and true Yankee. However, business dictates that it makes some things overseas, but the cost and timeline factors are affecting production. For instance, Boeing makes 8 dreamliners a month in Washington and opened a new plant in South Caroline to make an additional 3. The only problem is South Carolina is a right-to-work state, which means union membership is not required to hold a job.

If you are a socialist, this is unbearable! As a result, PBO is flexing his muscles to beat Boeing into submission or shutdown their new plant. The end result maybe an increasing dependence on China, which analysts guess are only ten years from becoming a competitor, which Boeing has partially enabled by technology and skills transfer. The Chinese aren't stupid!smilies/cheesy.gif

My arguement is that if PBO wins and Boeing is forced to farmout more of their work, they should give China a break and consider Brasil. Already, most of the 787 is being made overseas. I know it's impractical, but I'd like to see the future Olympics go to Zimbabwe and Brasil invest the money in infrastructure to get Boeing's attention.smilies/wink.gif
Unless Brasil's leadership has committed the future to being a Chinese warehouse for raw products, it should capitalize on Brasilian labor and ability and start making overtures to Boeing.
China's market is huge, but gosh, so is Brasil's and the rest of South America. It would be the perfect incentive for Boeing to consider Brasil as a dependable manufacturing ally.

BTW, the Yanks already buy 65 percent of Brasil's aerospace exports. I sense a natural partnership.smilies/wink.gif
Brasil, China, Boeing
written by Ederson, June 20, 2011
Joao, the Chinese government aviation company will be delivering a Boeing 737 knockoff by 2016. Experts estimate that it will cost 25 percent less han an equivilent Boeing model. In addition, there will not be, get this, an import tax of 25 percent.smilies/cheesy.gif

I read earlier that the Chinese market for such aircraft is estimated at half a trillion dollars. Joao, I assure you that these will be competent, safe airliners, for they will be, in part, Chinese derivatives of current Boeings. Even the electronic engine controls will be Yankee, thanks to GE.
It will be interesting to see what the Chinese commercial aviation industry does to Brasil's own successful aerospace ventures.

I leave you with an interesting question. Will the Chinese, in turn, farmout any of their production overseas?

They can't farm it out to the Yanks, because the Yanks are already farming theirs to the Chinese.
Thankfully, Brasil won't be making the same mistake. The Brasilian leadership is not stupid enough to transfer Brasil's manufacturing base to China.smilies/tongue.gif
Ederson
written by João da Silva, June 21, 2011
Joao and Boeing;Brasil, China, Boeing


Thanks for the wonderful comments, Eddie. You won my heart,mind and soul with these.smilies/cheesy.gif

I did know about Boeing & South Carolina, but didn't really read about PBO insisting they play according to the "Union Rules". I must confess that this is the first time I have heard of "right to work rules". I wish some states in our country also will declare to be such! One of the complaints voiced by the local and foreign investors is about our "antiquated" labor laws (besides, high taxes). Why blame just the Yanks for outsourcing their jobs to PRC. Even our some of our manufacturers have gone there to cut down the manufacturing costs and avoid rigid labor laws. ( I have ranted enough times about this issue smilies/sad.gif )

Coming back to Boeing and Brasil, I fully agree with your rants. Considering that we do produce reliable aircraft and have skilled professionals, I think the government as well as the private sector should strive to bring the business to Brasil. Let´s not forget we did manage to bring in auto manufacturers from Asia to compete with the old brands (GM,FIAT,FORD,VW).

I leave you with an interesting question. Will the Chinese, in turn, farmout any of their production overseas?


Never. PRC can not afford to outsource their jobs overseas. If they do, their "regime" falls.

Thankfully, Brasil won't be making the same mistake. The Brasilian leadership is not stupid enough to transfer Brasil's manufacturing base to China.


I hope not, Eddie. Only the time will say.smilies/angry.gif

BTW, I am curious to hear the comments of our Economic Guru Rickey on this issue.
Ederson
written by João da Silva, June 21, 2011

If you are a socialist, this is unbearable! As a result, PBO is flexing his muscles to beat Boeing into submission or shutdown their new plant.


To be a "socialist" shedding crocodile tears for the "poor working masses" is back in fashion and continue to get lots of votes, Eddie. The Chinese leadership doesn't use this word anymore.smilies/wink.gif

BTW, I am posting below an open letter written one Greg Knox. This was sent to me by another distinguished fellow blogger.:

http://www.snopes.com/politics/soapbox/knox.asp

What a blast
written by d, beauchamp, June 22, 2011
What a blast! That's a great memory to have and hold.
Truely enjoyed your article.
Eat your cake
written by Luiza Nacimento, June 23, 2011
How old are you.. Sherry? 10, 12 yrs. old? Even my 4 yr old nephew acts more mature than you. That bit you wrote is so irrelevant to what the man was writing about. If you can't speak in regards to the topic, then don't say nothing at all. That was very disrespectful of this gentleman's article.(on a serious topic)Really, who cares about your wedding dress? Don't b an idiot all your life.
excuse
written by Luiza Nacimento, June 23, 2011
Sorry wrong place. This comment is for another article.
Ederson
written by João da Silva, June 23, 2011

Hi,

I was reading about the Airshow at Paris, where the Airbus seems to have bagged more orders. One of the commentators under the article seems to reflect your views on PBO vs Boeing. Reproducing below his comments:smilies/wink.gif

Unfortunately I'm afraid that President Obama will be remembered as the President who gave away the aircraft construction industry to Europe...oh well...France (a socialist country) needs help to, their President is facing riots in the streets because the French economy is struggling to pay for all the entitlements their people demand. What are some of those entitlements, read the article below "France, Less Work More Time Off". I just love the last quote, "The aim is to keep your job without working".

The administration of President Obama is the most anti-business administration in decades. If you're not up to speed on this Google "Boeing South Carolina" and to see the favoritism given the French Google "Areva US Loan Guarantee" and then "USEC US Loan Guarantee" (we gave Areva, a French Government owned company a $2 billion loan guarantee and then, at the same time, turned down (then postponed) one for USEC, a US company which could have created 8000 jobs in Ohio...go figure that one).

Oh well President Obama campaigned on bettering relations with Europe...he just didn't explain that he intended to use our jobs to do it!

February 11, 2009 7:19 PM

France: Less Work, More Time Off

By: Rebecca Leung

Read more: http://www.cbsnews.com/stories...z1Q8P6NnIM

Like most Frenchmen, Marchand has no guilt about taking so much time off. In fact, it's the law: full-time workers in France are guaranteed at least five weeks vacation -- guaranteed those long lazy days in the sun, and leisurely lunches in outdoor cafes.

On top of the five weeks, there are another dozen public holidays, and a maximum 35-hour work week, with no paid overtime allowed. Managers like Marchand, who work more than 35 hours a week, get more time off. "The so-called 35-hour work week gives us 22 more days a year," says Marchand. Twenty-two more days in addition to the eight weeks vacation?

Corinne Maier, a part-time employee for the state-owned electricity company, has written a book arguing that the French should work less or at least less well. "The aim is to keep your job without working," says Maier.


Hope you are well and working according to the rules set by the "Bloggers & Peasants" union.smilies/cheesy.gifsmilies/grin.gif
Obama, the Yank's competent president
written by Ederson, June 23, 2011
smilies/cheesy.gifsmilies/cheesy.gif I give up. Has Yankeeland lost its collective mind? When will they put an end to this disastrous experiment? smilies/cheesy.gifsmilies/cheesy.gif

On the other hand, Brasil is missing a golden opportunity to import any number of technologically oriented businesses that the Yanks are forcing from their country! Hello? Is anyone home?

Brasil should cut taxes, streamline regulations, and give each Yankee CEO a map comparing the distances between Brazil and Yankeeland versus China and Yankeeland. What a disaster if Brasil doesn't make at least an effort to sell itself as an alternative to China.

Brasil's new motto: "Build it here, sell it there!"smilies/wink.gif Not the current one of "Take our resources, develop it, then sell it back to us."smilies/cheesy.gif

Additional recommendations would include the abandoning of the fututre Olympics. Indeed, it should be sent to Zimbabwe where it belongs.smilies/wink.gif
Brasil should make every effort to strengthen its space program to equal that of South Africa or even surpass it!smilies/cheesy.gif Brasil is on the equator for God's sake! Take advantage of it! Ever wonder why France launches its rockets near the equator?

Sorry, Joao, I could go on and on. smilies/wink.gif Hope you are doing okay, too. I've been very busy trying to resurrect an old airplane. Where's Ricky?

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written by João da Silva, June 25, 2011

I've been very busy trying to resurrect an old airplane.


When do you expect to get the plane flying?

Where's Ricky?


Just one thread above this!
Joao, ready to fly?
written by Ederson, June 25, 2011
Over the last 30 years, I've visited every airplane junkyard I can find and have stashed away enough parts to build an entire airplane, seriously. I'll probably give it to one of my boys, maybe next summer, but I'm in no hurry. I can't get too excited about a lot of things anymore. However, I have been thinking about putting a set of floats on it and exploring a lot of rivers with it. When it is done, it will closely resemble a PA-18.

Sorry if I offended anyone concerning the Olympics. I just can't see that as a priority. And I got a chuckle from the article explaining how Brasil is behind South Africa in the space race.smilies/wink.gif I wish Brasil could partner with someone, at least to get the technology and inspire a future generation.
The Yanks are dismantling their space programs and hiring it out to the Russians and Chinese, as they are everything else. If only they would give Brasil just a little of what they are throwing away.
Ederson
written by João da Silva, June 25, 2011

Sorry if I offended anyone concerning the Olympics. I just can't see that as a priority. And I got a chuckle from the article explaining how Brasil is behind South Africa in the space race.


There again, you are not exactly sorry for having "offended" anybody in this blog. You are a bit disappointed that nobody including my humble self and especially our honorable friend Rickey did not express any opinion pro or con about this issue.smilies/wink.gifsmilies/cheesy.gifsmilies/grin.gif

I have made several comments in this forum before you joined us. There are two big events planned to be hosted for Brasil in this decade. Word Cup 2014 and Olympics 2016. The matches for the cup will be contested in 12 cities and the Olympics games will be staged in Rio. According to what I read, someone in FIFA voiced "concern" the other day that we dont have stadiums nor enough airports and he couldn't figure out how these could be ready within 3 years. Nobody has started talking about the Olympics yet. My feeling is that both these events are going to drain the coffer and the present and future tax payers are going to end up paying for them. Montreal took almost 30 years to payback the loan it took to host the Olympics as another distinguished Canuck blogger has repeatedly mentioned. I believe it is the same case with Sydney. Of course the Canucks and the Aussies are richer than we are and they can afford it.smilies/wink.gifsmilies/cheesy.gif

As our lagging behind in Space technology, it is enough to read my comment in the sister magazine to understand and appreciate my frustration.smilies/sad.gif

The same old rant from me and I apologize for it.smilies/cool.gif
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