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The Key to Brazil's Future: Abolishing Political Corruption PDF Print E-mail
2013 - May 2013
Written by B. Michael Rubin   
Monday, 06 May 2013 03:08

Students' protestThere is a sad expression about Brazil that roughly translates: "Brazil is the land of the future, but we're still waiting for the future to arrive." Brazil's destiny is often debated among politicians and journalists and everyday Brazilians, who are eager to begin the future now. What does Brazil need to start now?

Some people believe the coming World Cup and Olympics are going to jump-start Brazil's future. Certainly, Brazil is building some beautiful new football stadiums, and there are infrastructure improvements in progress to the roads, tunnels, trains, ocean ports, and airports.

For short-term challenges of logistics, these upgrades will be a valuable improvement. Brazil needs greater airport, shipping and port capacity. Many cargo ships arriving in Brazil face huge delays waiting to unload their goods, particularly at smaller ports like Paranaguá in Paraná.

However, it remains to be seen whether these infrastructure improvements will have a lasting effect on the country's long-term problems like crime and education. These complicated issues will not be solved simply by the influx of additional money; money isn't enough.

One theory on how to approach Brazil's long-term problems is to recognize the central role of Brazil's political crisis. Brazil must find a way to abolish political corruption – this is the key to Brazil's future.

There have been some public protests against corruption recently, mostly by students. On Independence Day 2011, 25,000 people assembled in Brasília in the "March Against Corruption." The student protesters stood alongside the Independence Day Parade after organizing on Facebook and Orkut.

A month later in October, for the holiday Nossa Senhora Aparecida, 20,000 again marched in Brasília and 2,000 in Rio on the same theme, waving green and yellow brooms. In Curitiba, there was a small protest against political corruption with some marchers wearing white Guy Fawkes masks, a British protest symbol made famous in the science-fiction film, V for Vengeance.

Unfortunately, student power is limited. It's only through the efforts of people within the government who have the courage and power to stand up against corruption that the endemic atmosphere of political corruption in Brasília and throughout the country can be changed. One such man is Joaquim Barbosa, head of the Supreme Court.

Another bright prospect for Brazil's future and the fight against corruption is the growing power of the media. Veja magazine played a prominent role in exposing the Mensalão scandal, headed by Barbosa. Meanwhile, this year the Brazilian version of The New York Times will launch. This powerful American newspaper, respected worldwide, has offices in Brazil with a small staff reporting on events   relevant to the rest of the world.

However, this year for the first time there will be an online version of The New York Times in Portuguese. Even more important, the new version of the newspaper will be specifically geared for Brazilian readers with half of the articles being written by Brazilian journalists.

The presence of The New York Times in Brazil will be the newest force towards ethical accountability among politicians. The power of the media - whether it's traditional media like newspapers and magazines or social media like Facebook - to mobilize public opinion and stimulate protest is greater than all other forces.

Every issue of social responsibility from prison overcrowding to the ranchers destruction of the Amazon forests benefits from media attention. The more people know about injustice, the more likely there will be a solution. That's why journalists sometimes are harassed and even killed when they make  information public that is detrimental to the wealthy and powerful.

According to the journalism organization, Reporters Without Borders, five Brazilian journalists and bloggers were murdered in 2012, making Brazil the world's fifth deadliest country for media personnel.

The media has the power to motivate and mobilize social protests, but nothing will change without the support of the general population. Corrupt politicians cannot be defeated if their supporters continue to vote for them. This has long been a problem in Brazil, where some brave journalists are willing to expose corrupt politicians only to have the politicians re-elected when their terms expire.

Some researchers note this error in public judgment is common in countries like Brazil that have a mandatory voting law. With everyone voting, political issues often take a backseat to public notoriety. People with name recognition are sometimes elected without any background in politics.

Often the name recognition comes from a family member, not the candidate himself. Many believe that compulsory voting, as opposed to voluntary voting like in the US, creates opportunities for the approval of inexperienced or corrupt candidates.

Besides exposing corruption and keeping these men from getting elected or re-elected, the other critical tool to solving political corruption is to send convicted politicians to jail. As of today, even with several people convicted, including a 40-year sentence being handed out by Barbosa at the Mensalão trial, not one  politician in that scandal has gone to jail.

With strong public opinion supported by an independent media pressuring for clean politics, perhaps the cult of corruption can be changed. It is a long fight and a problem that won't be solved easily. Many politicians are honest and hardworking, particularly when they are first elected. But the atmosphere of corruption and temptations of power and money are so pervasive in Brazil that it's difficult even for the best politicians to resist.

To alter Brazil's future, the legal justice system in Brazil needs to be re-structured. It's not so much a problem of judicial corruption these days, but an antiquated legal system with too many loopholes and appeals and too much bureaucracy. It needs to be streamlined.

There are numerous laws to protect workers and consumers, but the laws aren't being enforced. If you want to stop people from drinking and driving, or parking their cars illegally, there must be greater enforcement and higher penalties. Brazil needs more police, more detectives, more forensic technology.

Brazil also needs more government lawyers – there are people languishing in prisons for years waiting for their first court appearance who have never met with a lawyer, even though it is their legal right, because they don't have the money to hire a private lawyer.

Most critical, Brazil needs to invest in more courts and judges. This is a place where a direct infusion of money could launch Brazil into the future. There are plenty of qualified candidates to serve as competent and honest judges.

Not all problems are solvable with money, but some are, like hiring more judges and government lawyers. Another example, the problem of police corruption has been greatly reduced in the last few decades by raising the salaries of the police, particularly the Federal Police.

When employees of the Federal Police are making monthly salaries of R$10,000 or more, there is much less chance they will risk being caught in a propina scandal.

In the same way, a massive influx of government money could greatly improve public education in Brazil, for example by doubling the number of schools and teachers and sending children to school all day as they do in industrialized countries, Brazil could make a huge leap forward.

However, Brazil's future has promise. With the arrival of a powerful media organization like The New York Times, perhaps Brazilians will finally prove they are sick of political corruption.

If people believed their tax money was being spent on worthwhile problems instead of new mansions for politicians, there would be more funds available for improving the education and legal systems.

Honest politicians could begin Brazil's future now and set an example for the rest of Brazilians.

B. Michael Rubin is an American living in Curitiba, Brazil. He's the editor of the online magazine, Curitiba in English. (www.curitibainenglish.com.br)

 



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Brazil needs national cohesion - not New York Times!
written by Otton Bexaron, May 06, 2013
Brazilians need more social and ethnic cohesion and nationalistic unity - not the "New York Times" (or "Veja" which represents Israel in Brazil, just as "O Estado" and "Globo" represent Miami). The mass media - including the mentioned multi-media empires - are owned and operated by 5 families who are not at all interested in an independent Brazil, but a "dependent" Brazil - somewhat like Mexico is now a de-facto geopolitical dependency of the USA. Where is the mass media in Brazil that explains to Brazilians the heroic effort of Dilma and the other women supporting her in the and out of the Alvorada -to steer Brazil through the economic problems caused by devaluation of the U.S. $ by the U.S. Federal Reserve, and the valuation of the Renminbi(Yuan) of China - which are driving Brazil's industry into ruin, while the degenerates in Europe have destroyed their own economies ? That is why the best known and respected communist - Aldo Rebelo (the Right calls him: Honest and a nationalist!) and the leader of the agro-industry had negotiated a historic pragmatic agreement towards the Codico Florestal: What is in 2013 saving the economy of Brazil is the agro-industry. Which both the USA Agro-Lobby the "environmentalists" try to paralyse. See U.S. plan: "Farms here forests there" by U.S. trade specialists - close down Brazil's agro-industry means an extra 270 billion for U.S.Agro-exports until 2030. The "Greenpeace" eco-Maoists want also to close down Brazil's agro-industry - much like Pot Pol's "Khmer Rouge" in the killing fields of Cambodia: Close the cities drive everybody into the hinterland to become a peasant: Only to cultivate organic bananas for Bio-stores in Manhattan, London and Berlin. Brazilians will only get additional smoke blown into .... by Romero(?) of the New York Times - a propagandist, not even as sly as the fiercely anti-Brazilian BBC or Deutsche Welle (analyse them if you are geopolitically literate and sober). BBC, Deutsche Welle, O Estado, Globo, Veja, Correio Bras., Folha - where is the "free" press in Brazil which can inform the mass public ? As for corruption in Brazil - take a look a real cases of corruption - start with Wallstreet right next to the New York Times!
Continued: Brazil needs national cohesion - not the New York Times.
written by Otton Bexaron, May 06, 2013
Brazil's House of Representative had commissioned the leader of the Communist (CPdoB) "diputados" - Aldo Rebelo (from a farm family) to design the legislation for the CODICO FLORESTAL - a new modernized code for the natural environment. Since 1965 the existing laws had been changed, and modified many times(like the U.S. tax code!), leaving it virtually unenforceable and most farmers and ranchers in some or several violations. Aldo Rebelo went on the road for two years in the 27 states to confer with corporate- agro-industry (900,000), subsistence farmers (900,000) and family-owned-operated farms/ranches (3.300,000), Farmworkers Unions, Environmentalists, Scientists - and then even with Katia Abreu the head of agro-industry-lobby. They agreed on the new CODICO FLORESTAL. (Since stalled due to posterior changes by some in Congress, vetoed by Dilma). That is the cohesion Brazil needs - without U.S. "advisors" or Vatican go-in-betweens. Today Aldo Rebelo has the thankless job of preparing Brazil's infrastructure for the events in 2014 and 2016 - like Celso Amorim who came back from the comfort of Harvard to take the thankless job of working with the military. There is Col. G. Fregapani - sacked by Lula for voicing up against the subversion by U.S and Brit. NGOs in the Amazon - always praising Rebelo as a "nationalist". The conservative philosopher Lerner-Rosenfield has publicly defended Rebelo against CIMI - the Vatican-operation managed by the Austrian - no not Hitler - but that bishop from the next village - next to Hitler's Braunau - wait - oh yes: Koblach,Austria in Vorarlberg with the highest concentration of Neo-Nazis in Europe. In Brazil he shows Brazilians how not to develop their nation...just as helpful as the coming of "The New York Times" ! As if Brazilians need clever "foreigner" - Great White Fathers like in the colonial period!
Touching Many Bases, ...Corruption Steals The Future
written by Lloyd Cata, May 06, 2013
Thank you Mr. Rubin.

However, do not place too much 'trust' in media, be it The New York Times, or other outlets. That it may have some measure of improvement to the 'local' outlets is likely, but surely "The Gray Lady" has been known to promulgate it own version of "propaganda-for-political-purposes"(!)

Remember always, the 'problem' is Brazilian, and the 'solution' must also be Brazilian(!)

US media has not prevented the corruption of the US government, so inviting them expose Brazilian corruption is at best futile. Tell you why; one look at Brazil's censorship rating(#1), and its heavy censorship of Google(...worse than China?). Yeah, get more lawyers, because the Times will make your Constitution a fraud.

Yet, openness is always welcome. The Truth is sometimes unpleasant, and delivered at unfortunate times, but it does move the People to change their circumstance, ...and their leaders.
Romero - The New York Times - "expert journalist" in and about Brazil:
written by Otton Bexaron, May 07, 2013
Today Romero has in the NYT times a story for the boy scouts and "Rambo" crowd, about Brazil's forest warfare academy. Real stuff for real men with adolescent awe for the "jungle" - but the NYT crowd hardly fits this classification. Thus, why do they keep this simplistic reporter on Brazil beat ? The U.S. has lousy writers, always had lousy writers - but very fine journalists: Surely the NYT could afford to station a knowledgeable and intelligent journalist in Brazil. What Romero should have reported about Brazil in today's NYT: Brazil may contract 6,000 physicians from Cuba to staff remote medical facilities. The Cubanos as a specy are tough: Remember 400,000 went to drive the NATO-supported South African intervention forces from Angola. The Cubanos also fought in the otherworldly Ogaden between Somalia and Ethiopia. They even have now Cuban physicians in remote East Timor! As for Angola - while the Cubanos drove the NATO boys out of the country - Brazil right wing, U.S. supported military dictatorship - under General Geisel - surprise: Recognized the then marxist MPLA, which was supported by the Soviet - and fighting against the U.S. and NATO supported "Unita". Yes - the right wing, U.S. supported military dictatorship of Brazil - recognized the Soviet supported MPLA fighting against the U.S. and NATO supported "Unita". Today the MPLA has turned "social-democrat" and Angola has become a tight partner of Brazil - which considers Western and Southern Africa as within its "area of strategic interest". What did Gen. Geisel calculate in 1975 - that nobody else could "understand" ? Alright - go back to sleep and dream about Romero's "jungle warfare haven" in the NYT.
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written by Célio Eichmann, May 07, 2013

US media has not prevented the corruption of the US government, so inviting them expose Brazilian corruption is at best futile.


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written by asp, May 08, 2013
you know, if cuba really was fighting for the rights of the people in africa and not just fighting to get countries into the soviet union shpere of satalite countries , to have access to africas wealth and recources,for sure with soviet money, then it might be valid.

both sides are to blame for the ugly conflicts and for sure the usa support of south africa apartheid is shamful

but making it out like the cuban invovlement in africa was some noble affair is pure unalderated grade d bulls**t, give me a fuking break

coming out of colonialism into commuinism would be coming out of the frying pan into the fire

mother fukers keep forgetting the absolute more than hundred million people just eliminated under communist regimes as well as what a f**king hell hole itis to be under castro

you ass holes supporting fidel dont want to look at the realities of how poor people in cuba get worse health care, and they just didnt eliminate racism...wake the fuk up

i mean , going into communism is almost as bad as going into sharia law
Nun in Mato Grosso
written by Glenn Cheney, May 22, 2013
May 22, 2013



I think you might be interested in an article I wrote about a sister in Mato Grosso, Brazil. Despite continuous death threats, Sister Leonora persists in struggling against slavery, deforestation, landlessness, lawlessness, pollution, abuse of women, poverty, and the ravages of capitalism. The article is in the June issue of Harper's. The title is "Promised Land." You can read a bit of it at cheneybooks.com/harpers .

I hope you get a chance to read it and can help me tell other people about it.

Regards,

Glenn Cheney
Dear Brother Glenn: The Catholic Church is Brazil No. 1 problem since 1500 !
written by Otton Bexaron, May 22, 2013
Ever wonder why Latin America lacks in all-around-development versus North America ? Here is an example: Brazilians wonder why there a few "black" Brazilians who have university degrees or are prominent in national affairs. Since the Civil Rights campaigns in the U.S. - "African Americans" have moved into more (not yet perfect) presence in national affairs - in the government, science, military. Why ? The Protestant Churches from the Northern states- especially the Presbyterians established seminars and teacher colleges for freed black slaves in the South after the Civil War 1865. These developed into universities (although segregate) and by 1900, in the USA existed a small well educated sector of "blacks" who were physicians, dentists, lawyers. Condoleeza Rice, Ph.D. International Relations and former U.S. Secretary of State (although a failure due to bad company - George Busch-Cheney-Wolfowitz) - and Michelle Obama, Ph.D. from Harvard - both descend from "blacks" in the South who after 1865 became Presbyterian clergymen in seminars established by Presbyterians from the North. Angela Davis, Prof. Philosophy comes from black ancestors who were trained as teachers after 1865 in Methodist colleges. The Catholic Church was the supported of slavery owning white upper class until slavery was abolished by Brazil's "Positivist" military in 1888. In the presidential campaign 2010 the Catholic Church campaigned against Dilma Rousseff because the Catholic Church opposes social programs for the underprivileged on the grounds that "social programs create dependency". The catholic Jesuits in Oregon were sentenced 2011 to pay $ 66 million to 504 Native Americans who had been abused sexually by pedophile catholic priests. In Philadelphia over 100 catholic priests are under investigation. Some have already been jailed. Thus far the Catholic Church in USA has almost paid $ 3 billion to thousands of victims. There are tens of thousands of victims of Catholic priests in many nations including Brazil. "Thanks God" the crazy Pentacostals are sweeping the Catholic Church out of the cities in Brazil and Latin America - even in Hispanic USA. There are women - like the nun you recommend - who would rather play a role as superior "White" among other societies then help with the dramatic social problems in many areas of the USA, where almost 50 million depend on government food stamps and "food banks" in 2013 and were millions can't get medical or dental attention. If the Catholic Church would not have monopolized university education during most of Brazil's history and prevented the education in science and medicine - then Brazil would have today "black" and "Indian" physicians - serving in Amazonia. The Director of U.S. Health Services for the 2 million members of "recognized Native American Nations" (another 700 nations with 2+ million Indians are not "recognized"!) is Prof. Dr. W. Roubideau (I may not recall the name exactly) - an Indian woman of the Rosebud-Sioux in South Dakota Reservation. Her father was a laywer, her mother a teacher. Dr. R. manages 600 clinics for Native American, with 2,000+ Native American physicians and a budget of $ 4 billion. But the Catholic Church wants Indians in Brazil to remain isolated and with pre-historic "traditions" like "infanticide", see a documentary made by an Indian journalists for Indians (not us) in Brazil : SANDRA TERENA BREAKING THE SILENCE, or SANDRA TERENA QUEBRANDO O SILENCIO.
Glenn: The name is DR. YVETTE ROUBIDEAU.
written by Otton Bexaron, May 23, 2013
What Brazil's isolated areas needs is not nun or priests - as during the past 500 years - but physicians, dentists, technical instructors. The truth is, isolated areas in the U.S. especially Native American reservations still have huge deficits towards health care and educational opportunities. But nuns can just waste time with the Rosary, and the priests are dangerous due to high incidence of pedophilia (sexual abuse of children). Dr.Yvette Roubideau, a Sioux from South Dakota ( former Professor of Internal Medicine at U. of Arizona, specializing on research of diabetes among Indians) has been named by Pres. Obama as Director of Indian Health Services. (See the web site and bio). The truth is: There huge problems among Native American nations in their reservations - catastrophic incidence of rape, youth gangs. drug problems. Among the wealthy tribes with gaming casinos - a struggle to expel members to get more of the gaming income. The Cherokee are expelling those with some ancestry from the black slaves that the Cherokee took with them from Carolina in 1835 to Oklahoma ("Indian Removal Act"). The Seminole in Florida - each person gets $ 14,000 a month and due to high drug and alcohol consumption now their life expectancy is 46 years. Before the big money it was 48 years. The tribal chairman gets $ 1 million a year. The Seminole own seven Gaming Casinos and the worldwide chain "Hard Rock Café". There are very wealthy tribes and very poor tribes: But there is not solidarity between Native Americans: The "recognized" 565 Native American nations do not want the federal government to "recognize" ($ benefits) any of the other 700+ Indian tribes that lack the historical documents or other legal requirements - like the Apache in Texas. But there are many thousands of 4 million Native Americans - 60% of whom do not live on the reservations who are physicians, dentists, professors, above all many lawyers. But nuns and priests only get into the way of the real world!
what's real what's snot
written by Simpleton, May 23, 2013
Being a Presby myself, I can atune to the fact that I am inclined to champion anyone's cause if I perceive them to be abused, oppressed or excluded in anyway. I've heard the "descendente" diatribe from both American blacks as well as brasilians of various genetic backgrounds. I've seen and am constantly reminded of the "nobody works" issues both here and there, the alcoholism, drug use and degeneration produced by it being simpler to just live off of the public dole or indian casino money or stupid gringo pockets. Did Catholicism, missionaries, nunneries, NGO's, etc., etc., etc., truly create all that? People preying upon "their own kind" is not a novel either. Not even within family units barring the "evil" impacts of all of the aforementioned external organizations and their far reaching influence. Could it be that although the daughter of the lawyer and the teacher mentioned above turned out to be a good kid and went on to do good things, does that mean all their kids turned out so well? Are there not "bad eggs" amongst the offspring of lawyers, doctors, dentists, nurses, scientists, ....
ommisions / lack of convictions
written by Simpleton, May 23, 2013
I apparently left out "idea" after "novel" and "teachers" at the end of the list in the above post. But of course that would be normal considering the old adage that "those who can't, teach". Isn't it all like comparing a snake (or asp), a person raised in the finest orphanage in La Paz (joao), a "book smart" brasilian (ricky for instance, but I've met a couple others and you could just as well substitute any other like and kind person's country, maybe even OB's or Dilma's) and a nairdogood trust fund kid - fact is you just can't. Any one of them if by happenstance rose to a high level in Brazilian government might be prone to corruption.
Published by Native Americans (news blog) INDIAN COUNTRY TODAY
written by Otton Bexaron, May 23, 2013
INDIAN COUNTRY TODAY is the most important news organizations Of Native Americans for Native Americans. It gives a realistic insight into the nuts & bolts & finances & law issues - about which educated Native Americans (many are lawyers and professors!) communicate. But the best known INDIO of all is the Maya from Yucatan in Mexico: ARMANDO MANZANERO. Without knowing it, where ever you are, and even your parents in their time - have heard one of his 500+ compositions, sung by opera tenors like Placido Domingo, or figures like Frank Sinatra or Elvis Presley. See his best in youtube video DOMINGO MANZANERO MIA, and Manzanero even singing one of his compositions in the Maya language (Ikkatixch tuxkkabi="Te adoro") : DOMINGO MANZANERO ADORO. But then a jazzed up version with Manzanero going full steam see youtube video: MANZANERO BIG BAND JAZZ MIA. ---The point: Indians need a chance to get an education, and break out of ethnic confinement and become men and women or the world who can function in it and contribute to it like composer Armando Manzanero the Maya or Prof.Dr. Yvette Roubideaux the Sioux as physician and medical administrator. THEY CAN ALWAYS GO BACK TO PARTICIPATE IN THEIR TRADITIONS, WITH THEIR TRIBE AND SPEAK THEIR LANGUAGE, - just as some Brazilians or U.S. Americans can participate in the culture of their immigrant ancestors, of black individuals with the culture from Africa, or Asiatic descendants from Japan, China, India. But let them get out from under the nuns, priests, reverends, tribal shamans AND DO THEIR OWN THINKING AND THEIR OWN LEARNING!
Lloyd Cata
written by João da Silva, May 23, 2013

Published by Native Americans (news blog) INDIAN COUNTRY TODAY


Lloyd,is that you? Come out clean and don't do "Cú Doce".smilies/wink.gifsmilies/cheesy.gifsmilies/grin.gif
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written by João da Silva, May 23, 2013

Dear Brother Glenn: The Catholic Church is Brazil No. 1 problem since 1500 !
written by Otton Bexaron, May 22, 2013


Dear Brother Otton,

Not really. Pedro discovered Brasil in 1500 and years later came the padres to convert the "native infidels" into Christianity. No different from the Mullahs or Imams or whatever you call the Mohammedan priests.

You may or may not know that approximately 6% of the Brasilian population is practicing Catholics. Your criticism of the Catholic Church and hold it solely responsible for keeping the "blacks", "natives" & other underprivileged classes in Brasil is not too convincing.

BTW, if you had just written "the religion is the opium of the masses" without naming one particular religion (or sub-religion) I would have appreciated your comment more. smilies/wink.gifsmilies/cheesy.gifsmilies/grin.gif
OMG
written by Simpleton, May 26, 2013
Joao, whatever respect I had for you before, if at all, it is now ten fold. Although I was asked point blank whether I did or did not believe in capeto this past visit, I waffled and responded that I believed that if capeto existed, is was much more present in Brasil than elsewhere.
Simpleton
written by João da Silva, May 26, 2013

Joao, whatever respect I had for you before, if at all, it is now ten fold.


Thanks Simp. Supposing you had zero respect for me now it is 10 x 0=0.smilies/cheesy.gifsmilies/grin.gif

Cheers
Simpleton
written by João da Silva, May 27, 2013

Simp, I am extremely upset wrt your comment addressed to our distinguished friend Limpopo:


Limpopo, go surk dur rick


Absolutely shocking.smilies/shocked.gifsmilies/shocked.gifsmilies/shocked.gif
Upset???
written by Simpleton, May 28, 2013
Joao, dear old fellow, why would you be upset with my humble opinion of Mrstr Limpopo? It's what he would really like to do and I have never been one to deny other's what ever trips their bubble. Besides, he most certainly can't speak or read Forrest Allen Browneze and therefore doesn't understand the complement I gave him.smilies/wink.gif
Simpleton
written by João da Silva, May 30, 2013

Joao, dear old fellow, why would you be upset with my humble opinion of Mrstr Limpopo?


That's because deep inside you are a racist and persecuting honorable and scholarly blacks like Limpopo. Your attitude towards the fellows from the Dark Continent is deplorable, to say the least. The next time you come to Brasil, my dear fellow, you are going to be subjected to skin search. smilies/cry.gif
never ceases to amaze
written by Simpleton, June 03, 2013
Every year we have all these wonderfully clever trolls that come to this site thinking they can successfully imposter or otherwise tarnish the kind true nature of the long of tooth gentlemen that from time to time make their diverte-se or foment reasonable and worthy discussions of how to improve Ordem e Progresso with their (2 bits worth of) contributions herein.

Joao, check any reputable webictunary you would like but I'm pretty sure all definitions of the term philanderer you will find somehow allude to things being in some way either brief or casual or venously underhanded. You know me, there is nothing brief nor casual nor less than oxygenating and life giving about my purported dalliances.

I know damned little about Mr. Limpopo. Whether he is from the Dark Continent, honorable, scholarly, black, whatever, I have no clue. To me it wouldn't matter on any of those fronts. That we had an obviously brasileiro(a) blogger layout some unfortunately all too easy to believe (and most likely all too true) negative comments about our beloved country to which Mr. Limpopo jumped right in and bashed further with a comment showing how he delighted in them showed me he is most likely none of what you say about him nor worthy of this community's respect.
"you are going to be subjected to skin search"
written by Simpleton, June 03, 2013
You are an astute fellow Joao (or most recent Joao imposter). All those machines the TSA was forced to eliminate had to go someplace, why shouldn't Brasil buy them and pay two or three times the price as ch.c would say? smilies/shocked.gif
Simpleton
written by João da Silva, June 04, 2013

You are an astute fellow Joao (or most recent Joao imposter).


It was my good self, Simp and not an impostor!

All those machines the TSA was forced to eliminate had to go someplace, why shouldn't Brasil buy them and pay two or three times the price as ch.c would say?


Great minds think alike.smilies/wink.gif I had read about the TSA machines being eliminated and that was the reason I made that comment, but...but...but...hope the government doesn't implement your nasty suggestion of dumping them on us.smilies/shocked.gif I don't think we would want them even TSA is willing to give them free.smilies/wink.gif
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written by limpopo, June 04, 2013
simpleton.....as ur name suckests, u r a s**t 4 brains, dumbass, opinionated, anglo ameri-can monkey who needs a 1 way ticket 2 central asia. they love playing with bumbois like u over there.

thanks for the support Dom Sr. Joao DaSilva
Limpopo
written by João da Silva, June 05, 2013

thanks for the support Dom Sr. Joao DaSilva


You are most welcome, Limpopo. Our elite club is open to all the people regardless of race, gender & all the bulls**t the politicos like to refer to. Simp isn't a bad bloke and once you get to know him, you may even decide to accept him as your intellectual peer.

BTW, why do want to send him to Central Asia with just an one way ticket? You think he will be of more use there?smilies/wink.gifsmilies/cheesy.gifsmilies/grin.gif
peer?
written by Simpleton, June 05, 2013
I have no clue what has happened to you dear Joao but clearly you've gone on this typical brasilian bent I've noticed and come to like criticizing / nay say / down play / etc., etc. others (albeit on a much more refined selective basis). How dare you suggest I am nokt more than Mr. Limpo Po's peer! Be damned his education, scholarships, cor do pele and more than generous offer to send me on a well deserved vacation vs the hellhole I do my philanthropic work in every year.smilies/wink.gif
Simpleton
written by João da Silva, June 06, 2013

I have no clue what has happened to you dear Joao but clearly you've gone on this typical brasilian bent I've noticed and come to like criticizing


Listen Simp, what you expect of me, deviate from "the typical brasilian bent"? Some Brasilians like my excellent self are brutally blunt, while expressing our opinion. I have been yelling & screaming that our country is secular & tolerates (at times against our will) people (as long as they can contribute to the growth our country) from all over the world. Having said that:

While you were doing your "philanthropic work" in the "hellhole", our black scholar Limpopo has been contributing to our country. He has written several thought provoking comments & we do appreciate his deep knowledge of Geopolitics.IMHO, you should take his suggestion of going to Mongolia to do some philanthropic work seriously.smilies/tongue.gif

BTW, I still think if Mr.Limpopo were to be a "colored" gentleman from AL, the good ole U.S.of A, you would appreciate his "black sense of humor" better.smilies/wink.gifsmilies/cheesy.gifsmilies/grin.gif

Cheers
ditto
written by Simpleton, June 07, 2013
I only took exception to one non-contributory comment that Mr. Limpo Po made, was brutally blunt about what I thought he ought to go do about that and now you're hoisting me by my own petards, raising me upon a stake??? I don't call asp a FIB even if that is what he is. As the moderator for this site you sure seem to have taken a liking to dealing out some low blows from time to time. I've had my fill of fofoco. Maybe you have turned completely brasilian.

Any plans to go back to La Paz? I'm thinking Porto Alegre or half the time there and half the time back in Minas where my services were well received and purported to be dourly missed will suffice for both my own (unfortunately necessary) therapy and healing others. Everyone has something positive to give in life. Why do you tout some and denigrate others? Is it just the natural urge to try to garner an advantage over or in someway profit from others that drives you? (Another characteristic I have observed that runs strong in at least some brasilians from the low lands.) What have you given?
BTW
written by Simpleton, June 07, 2013
Did I not understand that Mr. Limpo Po's comment that I took offense to was sardonic? Of course I did (what would your tea & crumpets club be if it was not made up of a bunch of dolts) but that doesn't make it into behavior that is to be rewarded. Progresso e Ordem! BTW, the questions I posed other than the first two were not personal ones, they are things that should be asked of everyone starting at the top of the secular scum on the pond.
Simpleton
written by João da Silva, June 07, 2013

As the moderator for this site you sure seem to have taken a liking to dealing out some low blows from time to time.


Simp, my dear fellow. My sincere apologies for (as late ch.c would say) for having "hurted" (sic) your feelings. In spite of my icy cool nature, I do indulge in such low level activities from time to time. smilies/smiley.gif May I remind you that you are no different from me?smilies/cheesy.gif

For example you keep on calling Mr.Limpopo as "Limp Popo" the translation of which in English is not exactly complimentary to him (I don't think the poor fellow knows a word in Portuguese!). Then you call your ex (and my current) neighbor ASP a FIB smilies/shocked.gif. I think he has crawled back into his leaky cabana and hibernating, thus not paying any attention to our high level discussions. smilies/cool.gif

Then you call us all a bunch of dolts. As a matter of fact you are the one who is screwing up the Ordem & Progresso we the dolts are trying to bring into this disorderly forum.

No ah ain't going to La Paz, POA nor MG. Happy to be where I am.smilies/cool.gif

Keep well.Cheers and have a great week end. It is bear time for me and got to go.smilies/wink.gifsmilies/cheesy.gif
If my name doesn't fit
written by Simpleton, June 08, 2013
you must .....

No Joao, I think you missed the point, we dolts are a rare breed indeed otherwise I would have turned in my card club membership. I also certainly did not call asp a FIB, I just pointed out that that is what he is. It's a colloquial name for those from south of our border that come "up nort hey" during the summer months to rancorously party, eat voluminous quantities of cow tongue sausage (aka Bratwurst), risk their lives throwing white gas and other things into the fire pit, drive their cars like a*****es and f**k everything in sight (not that I truly minded banging all those young cuties back in the days). Not really sure but I think the folks in the state north of Iowa use the same term. Foreign Iowan Bastards. (BTW Cornshuckers will fuch your socks off too, our most polite and erudite Ederson can vouch for that.)

It's noon someplace, guess I'll pop a top and go ahead and have a cold one myself. CHEERS!
Simpleton
written by João da Silva, June 08, 2013

I also certainly did not call asp a FIB, I just pointed out that that is what he is. It's a colloquial name for those from south of our border that come "up nort hey" during the summer months to rancorously party, eat voluminous quantities of cow tongue sausage (aka Bratwurst), risk their lives throwing white gas and other things into the fire pit, drive their cars like a*****es and f**k everything in sight (not that I truly minded banging all those young cuties back in the days).


Listen my friend. We too have issues with the Mfs from south of our border. Unruly mob, I would say. Intolerable, uncouth and illiterate Mfs. Actually we don't need them like you good folks in WI don't either. But...but...but.. they keep on coming over here like plague infested rats. However, like you, I don't mind banging the young, middle aged and old cuties provided they are willing to "cooperate".smilies/wink.gif

(BTW Cornshuckers will fuch your socks off too, our most polite and erudite Ederson can vouch for that.)


Our polite and erudite Ederson seems to have vanished from this blog. Probably busy struggling to climb up the Mount Kilimanjaro. smilies/wink.gifsmilies/cheesy.gifsmilies/grin.gif
Mfs??
written by Simpleton, June 09, 2013
Not familiar with that term but I do know your are not referring to the Stasi. Are you referring in some way to those from the country south of our most favored borders, the Spanish speakers? fdp's is not a strong enough term for those I've encountered along the way.

Young, middle aged and old cuties? I have found it is best to graciously adapt and cooperate, each according to their needs. Saves one from getting banged up side the head like you will if your Dona gets wise!
Simpleton
written by João da Silva, June 09, 2013

Not familiar with that term but I do know your are not referring to the Stasi.


You did know I wasn't referring to the odious Stasi and you do know what mfs means.smilies/wink.gif In fact it is a more insulting term than fdp.smilies/cheesy.gif

As for your calling ASP,a FIB. ah take umbrage. You might want to know that in the late 70's &early 80's, I was one of them too.smilies/sad.gif Used to frequent Lake Geneve once in a while. Milwaukee is another beautiful little town in WI. That part of the Midwest is fabulous during the spring/summer time, like the Southern part of Brasil during our fall/spring. Might drop by during the end of your Summer to enjoy the "Yankee" hospitality.smilies/wink.gifsmilies/cheesy.gifsmilies/grin.gif

P.S: In the other thread the "First American" L.C. is coming out with some pungent comments against the Eyetalians interfering in the internal affairs of Brasil. Worth checking.smilies/shocked.gif

Cheers & keep well
My Friend Sam?
written by Simpleton, June 10, 2013
You've still not given this dolt sufficient clues. Perhaps it's an acronym for one of our most favored club members "colorful" name calling terms. Mother something or other? If so, then yes I resemble that remark but don't agree it's worse than fdp. If it's Mexican something or other (since this site is based in California) then I would be the one taking umbrage.

Lake Geneva and Milwaukee aren't truly "up nort", least not in my book. Festival season is already in full swing in Milwaukee. Parada Gay was today. To each their own. Plenty of cold ones, Brats and corn on the grill along with salads of various types from at least three different nationalities made the afternoon quite enjoyable. The black, latino and native indian crowd along with us Quakers had a great family get together.

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