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Brazil Is No Paradise. The Fantasy Is Over. PDF Print E-mail
2013 - June 2013
Written by Arthur Ituassu   
Thursday, 20 June 2013 14:09

Brazilian people in the streets protestingIt was, is, a political earthquake. Suddenly, on 17 June 2013, more than 150,000 people appeared on the streets to protest in eleven major Brazilian cities. The day will be remembered as the biggest political demonstration in the country since 1992, when the young caras pintadas ("painted-faces") pushed for the impeachment of the president, Fernando Collor de Mello.

In Rio alone, it was estimated that around 100,000 people went to the downtown area to walk side-by-side and sing political slogans, while a few decided to press harder and fire homemade bombs at the state assembly. The gathering also recalls the last popular assembly of this size in the city, in 1968, against the then military dictatorship.

In São Paulo, an estimated 65,000 people came onto the streets. The polling institute DataFolha Research found that most of them were around 26-35 years old and had no political party preference; more than 80% said they were following the movement through Facebook.

Even detailed surveys of this kind can't figure out what exactly lies behind such a huge public display, especially when Brazil has experienced almost two decades of improving prosperity, political stability and social inclusion. In this sense, no short article can claim, metaphysically as it were, to explain "what is really happening in Brazil". At most, one can offer some fragments that, put together, make some sense of reality.

A New Voice

A good starting-point is the ideas and arguments that have been expressed on the streets and in social media. These represent a fresh voice in Brazil, one unrepresented  in the country's media or its political parties, and counterposed to its old, centralized social-political structures. This voice is attempting to constitute new concepts of political community in a context where at present there is no institutional path available. It is a clash of the new Brazil with the old.

The story began on 6 June in the city of São Paulo. A few thousand people took to the streets, ostensibly to protest against a twenty-cent increase in the price of a bus-ticket. The paulista state police and Brazil's establishment media, taken by surprise, were quick to define (and to smear) what was going on as a "gang riot". Both reacted violently, symbolically or in fact, with vehement media (especially TV) condemnation and injuries to eight protesters and two policemen.

This exaggerated reaction was counterproductive. The protesters resisted this attempt to trap them in a corner by continuing their demonstrations. As they did so, so did the repressive police behavior and the number of casualties. On 11 June, thirty-eight people were hurt, including eight policemen, and nineteen people were arrested; two days later the protests reached a turning-point, when 105 protesters, eighteen policemen and fifteen journalists were injured in the clashes.

As the people poured onto the streets during these first five days, there was equally prolific mobilization on social media, with thousands of posts being shared and linked against the repression and the dominant media coverage of the events. The social media were also used to schedule major gatherings for 17 June in the biggest Brazilian cities.

This time, it would be about far more than "twenty cents". In fact, the issues raised on all the demonstrations - though especially on 17 June - have been at once multiple and complex, vague and sparse. Yet if they are viewed in a wider context - of the Brazilian state's historic inability to provide public services and the mass media's over-centralization, as well as the costs involved with the 2014 World Cup - then taken together they raise legitimate questions about both political communication in Brazil and representation in the country's democratic regime.

They may even form a coherent set of political ideas. A widespread theme of the protests, for example, links the issue of public transport, raised in São Paulo, to perennial problems in healthcare, education and public safety. This is a new version of an old debate concerning the supply-side of public issues in Brazil. The Brazilian state, deeply entrenched in the logics of Brazilian capitalism, has historically failed its responsibility to offer public benefits to a very unequal society.

The now high-profile area of public transport is an example of this situation. The Brazilian state, closely linked to the automobile industry - both owners and workers - filled the cities with new cars and pollution (but no infrastructure), and gave repeated incentives to the sector as part of efforts to fight global recession.

Since 2002, according to a study published in Folha de S. Paulo, 1.6 million new cars (13,000 a month) have been put onto the roads of the paulista capital alone. When trucks and motorcycles are added to the account, the number of new vehicles is 2.6 million (more than 20,000 a month). In Rio and Salvador as in São Paulo, to mention only those cities, automotion has transformed itself into a daily public drama.

A rising generation of young, connected and urban citizens has made a link between such concerns and others: among them successive corruption scandals involving senior politicians, and the rising costs of the global football tournament in 2014. In the latter case, 33 billion reais (US$ 16 billion) is being invested, less than 4bn from private initiative.

In 2010, the government estimated that 5.4 billion reais (around US$ 2.7 billion) would be spent in the refurbishment or construction of stadiums; three years later, spending in this area alone has reached more than 7 billion reais (US$ 3.5 billion). The BBC reports that South Africa's stadiums received just US$ 1.12 billion in 2010.

In addition, the young protesters have focused their criticism on parties and the media, two very important agents of political representation in connecting civil society to the political sphere. Where politics are concerned, their targets have covered all levels: the president, governors and mayors, no matter which party or side they belong to.

This is reflected in slogans like "no party represents me" and "the people united do not need parties", which were sung together with  "we don't need the World Cup, we need money for health and education", "how many schools fit in the Maracanã?" and "Less corruption, more education".

In relation to the media, the protests' main focus has (of course) been Rede Globo, the major private conglomerate that has dominated Brazil's concentrated media system for decades. Besides the symbolic criticism in social media, a Globo reporter was physically harassed by demonstrators and the network's main office was threatened by a small group in São Paulo.

Also on 17 June, the powerful Globo TV - a target of the protests, and strongly criticized in social media - broadcast an editorial in the middle of its main news program, Jornal Nacional. The statement defended its coverage, saying that it had reported the events since the beginning with “nothing to hide”, and that the citizen has “the right to protest”.

The very fact that Globo felt an obligation to do this - to be "responsive", in the sense used by the scholar Hanna Fenichel Pitkin - was a very powerful symbol of the effects of the protests.

In fact, responsiveness became the common media tune after the storm. Columnists, journalists and politicians were all saying “I'm sorry”, with Brazil's president, Dilma Rousseff, doing it in the most perspicacious way. In a speech on 18 June, she said that “the voices on the streets need to be heard. They overwhelm the traditional mechanisms of [representation through] the institutions, the political parties, the associations and the media”.

After the Party

It is too early to assess the consequences of 17 June, especially as the demonstrators have promised to continue their actions even after the transport-fare increase was rescinded on 19 June. But three things are already clear.

First, the fantasy that Brazil has transformed itself into a paradise is over. It is not possible to hide anymore that Brazilian cities are now urban catastrophes, marked by gigantic traffic-jams, housing speculation and a lack of infrastructure and public services.

Second, the top-down modernization framework based on consumption and increasing economic activity is now contested. Brazilian people have shown the limits of their tolerance towards political institutions that have failed effectively to solve problems in public healthcare, education and safety.. (A placard in Rio makes the point: “It is not for cents, but for rights”).

Third, the protests put in question the ability of Brazil's political institutions to accommodate and channel the new conceptions of life articulated by the protests within Brazil's political community.

The protests, however they end, challenge Brazil to break with its antique, centralized social practices and structures, which include corruption, the lack of a genuine public conscience, secretive political institutions and a very concentrated media system.

Against this background, these events can be seen as a clear product of the changes the country has experienced in the last two decades, including relative economic prosperity, political stability and social inclusion.

It would be a far better outcome that they build on this legacy and contribute to Brazil's renewal rather than be dragged into violent confrontations that spoil their potential.

Arthur Ituassu is professor of international relations at the Pontifícia Universidade Católica in Rio de Janeiro, Brazil. You can read more from him at his website: www.ituassu.com.br. This article appeared originally in Open Democracy - www.opendemocracy.net.



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written by .., June 21, 2013

A boring article without any substance!
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written by .., June 22, 2013

A boring article without any substance!


Yes indeed.smilies/angry.gif

But...but...but...I'm sure our fellow distinguished writers ASP, Simpleton, L.C., Mr.Limpopo, Ricardo, Dr. Lloyd Cata, ch.c, Andrade, Costinha, Forrest Allen Brown, Zico, Lord Augustus, A Brazilian, capnamerca, Ederson, Wisemann, Cristovam Buarque, adrianerik, Tripple Dott, Double-Dot, Shelly, gringodingo, Leo Bonneville, Bambu, Nicholas (USA_male), Jay Glenn, will be more than happy to add substance to this most important chapter in our nation's history.smilies/wink.gifsmilies/cheesy.gifsmilies/grin.gif
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written by João da Silva, June 22, 2013

Esteemed Double-Dot,

But...but...but...I'm sure our fellow distinguished writers ASP, Simpleton, L.C., Mr.Limpopo, Ricardo, Dr. Lloyd Cata, ch.c, Andrade, Costinha, Forrest Allen Brown, Zico, Lord Augustus, A Brazilian, capnamerca, Ederson, Wisemann, Cristovam Buarque, adrianerik, Tripple Dott, Double-Dot, Shelly, gringodingo, Leo Bonneville, Bambu, Nicholas (USA_male), Jay Glenn, will be more than happy to add substance to this most important chapter in our nation's history.


Why wasn't my name included?smilies/sad.gif
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written by .., June 22, 2013

Why wasn't my name included?


Why would I include myself?smilies/wink.gifsmilies/cheesy.gifsmilies/grin.gif
João da Silva
written by Arthur I., June 22, 2013
Sir, is the article so boring that you have to talk to yourself?
Brasil ame-o ou deixe-o
written by Yacira Frotta, June 22, 2013
Sou da classe mérdia. Acabou a minha novelinha e fui na rua pra protestar.
Amei o clima. Mó alto astral mesmo.
I never know protesting could be so much fun. It's like out of season carnival. Loveen it smilies/cheesy.gif
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written by Jon, June 22, 2013
Some in the crowd were throwing "detergent packs"
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written by João da Silva, June 22, 2013

Sir, is the article so boring that you have to talk to yourself?


No sir, I wasn't talking to myself. For that matter, I am yet to read your thought provoking article. Who precipitated the whole issue by calling it boring was that youngster "...". Could be he is one of your students in PUC. My grievance against this little POS was that he listed dozens of useless bloggers as "distinguished" and omitted mine, just because I am of humble peasant stock.smilies/angry.gif

Whilst on the subject, may I request you to conduct an opinion poll among your students and find out the reasons for their protest on the streets of Rio. If our beloved Prez Dilma is willing to enter into dialogue with the young protestors, I am sure you are too.smilies/smiley.gifsmilies/wink.gifsmilies/cheesy.gif

Your humble servant

J.D.Silva
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written by João da Silva, June 22, 2013

Some in the crowd were throwing "detergent packs"


Probably the disciples of ch.c.smilies/wink.gif

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written by Nicholas (usa_male), June 23, 2013
Finally Brazil is awakening..but "protesting" around the stadiums is waste of time.Anyway, this is a good sign for Brazil to really move foward and do what must be done...invest more and more in education, health care etc etc etc. Meanwhile the foreign trolls are asleep while the so called west (whatever that means) continue with "AUSTERITY"...pfff,get so tired
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written by asp, June 23, 2013
joao, im on a business trip to new york and miami..i left just as the protests started in rio

i have mixed emotions...i read the sindicates are ready to go on strike througout the country...the bus was on strike as i left..is this just going to be che gueverra wanta bes thinking they are having their moment, or , are they really going to try to get at the real problems

beleive me the olympics and copa are not bad for brazil...i wish there was unity on that...but, getting services and hospitals and a handle on inflation and violence would be priorities...but , the sindicates just pile on the confusion with no consideration for the people

or fuk it, lets all just pile on and cause holy hell in brazil....?

i love brazil, i hope people arnt going to sabatoge the momentum just to think they are re living the glory days

who is doing most of the protesting? the favelas? or the pampered studants? is it really a peoples protest?

can they eliminate sertaneja univeratario? now that would be a real goal
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written by Roboson, June 23, 2013
Dear ...

What about me, I thought we were friends
Withholding . . .
written by capnamerca, June 25, 2013
My opinion on this one until it shakes out a little more. What do the people really want? Seems rather obvious to me. Will they stand strong until they get it? Time will tell . . .
capnamerica
written by João da Silva, June 26, 2013

Withholding my opinion on this one until it shakes out a little more.


Please don't do it Capitão.smilies/shocked.gif

What do the people really want? Seems rather obvious to me.


Seems rather obvious to you? If so, why don't you share your opinion with non-entities like me and ASP? smilies/smiley.gif

Oh, another question: Do you think this movement is going to fizzle out like the "Occupy Wall Street" protests?smilies/cry.gif
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written by Nicholas (usa_male), June 28, 2013
"Do you think this movement is going to fizzle out like the "Occupy Wall Street" protests?"

I don't think so, because it is for some reason better it seems organized with messages that even hits the upper middle class. The "occupy wall street protesters", from the begin was good organized but with disinformation, was not united and was by quickly hijacked by "george soros freedom" organizations. The state of mind here in the US to protest is not easy to explain, because there are so many reasons to be on the streets to shut down the whole way of doing "business" here, but it's simply not going to happen, because..pfff, they are just in one hell of a "deep sleep"..even if they are aware of all the criminal activities the so called government is involved. I'm afraid, the people in the US will only go on the streets, when it's to late, and when it's to late, it's finished, though life will go on, but totally different.
Nicholas (usa_male)
written by João da Silva, June 29, 2013

Thanks for your comments, Nick.

I don't think so, because it is for some reason better it seems organized with messages that even hits the upper middle class.


You are right. The movement seems to be better organized and not hijacked by the left nor the right.

The "Giant" was just hibernating for a few years and it finally woke up!! What is more surprising is that this movement comprises of all segments of society that include the "elites" & the "Povão".

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written by asp, June 30, 2013
well, joao, are the povao really involved ? are people streaming out of the favelas to join this protest? they are the people who are really subjected to police violence on a daily basis, of course there are some very violent criminals out there also

im not against these students and middle class bringing attention to these problems that exist, but , to undermine the games and world cup and olympics seems counter productive...if brazil wins today, many more people are going to start disreguarding the provocations...there are far many more brazilians who will be swelling with pride at their team and may start resenting the protests against the world cup and olympics

my gosh you could feel the emotion from the whole country at the last victory of the selection...the neymarettes are going to kick the protestors asses if they dont watch out...i sure wouldnt want them coming after me....i mean i actualy read that in terra.com, absolutly hilarious

why do these organisations always pick things that will provoke emotions and actualy work against them?

by all means , lets protest things like corruption, horrible hospital conditions,violence, high prices, poor services...but not things that many many brazilians get a great source of pride from...it will only be counter porductive...

why is there inflation? that is the real question..that is causing the strikes and the deterioration in services and the flow of progress
Why is there inflation
written by limpopo, June 30, 2013
Me thinks because of:

wrong headed government policies that fueled artificial credit creation & superficial consumption
global speculators & hedge funds pumping asset bubbles in Brasil (pump & now dump)
US central bank dollar debasement causing commodities bubble (food, energy, etc.)
sudden & steep ramp up of minimum salary & Brasilian culture of indexation
Limpopo
written by João da Silva, June 30, 2013

Mr.Limpopo, ah thought you "tirou o teu cú da reta" and am glad you didn't. smilies/smiley.gifsmilies/wink.gifsmilies/cheesy.gifsmilies/grin.gif

wrong headed government policies that fueled artificial credit creation & superficial consumption
global speculators & hedge funds pumping asset bubbles in Brasil (pump & now dump)
US central bank dollar debasement causing commodities bubble (food, energy, etc.)
sudden & steep ramp up of minimum salary & Brasilian culture of indexation


I think you answered the question put forth by our distinguished fellow blogger ASP in a (Brasilian) Nut shell. smilies/cheesy.gif

ASP made the following comment:

im not against these students and middle class bringing attention to these problems that exist, but , to undermine the games and world cup and olympics seems counter productive..


Before I respond to him, I would like to know if the "World Cup 2010" in S.A. bettered the lives of its citizens since then. IMHO, the Brasilians in general (including the "povão") resent their country being projected by the domestic & international media just as that of "Carnival & Futebol". The arrogant & condescending attitude of the FIFA "officials" and the subservient posture of our government were of no big help either.

I don't think our victory over Spain in the Soccer game tonight is going to put an end to the "protests". Only the time will tell.



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written by asp, July 01, 2013
well, the dollar hasnt been low in brazil for a long while , so that has nothing to do with it, a higher dollar didnt afffect inflation a few years before

joao, i didnt say the protests would stop, i said, they will lose support..

this thing about being uptight about the domestic and international projection of brazil as carnival and futebol is bulls**t on the uptight people who think that is bad...there is nothing wrong with leading the tip of brazil`s spear with carnival and futebol and it is an incredible source of pride for many of the people...these are assets and positive things about brazil that shouldnt be attacked by stiff pampered students and teachers thinking they are reliving cara pintadas and the revolution of the 60`s...that is a big mistake on their part and will back fire

putting down carnival is surpressing culture, the real culture, get f**king sertaneja universitario the f**k out of there...the truth is, the great passistas who come from the communities are dismissed and surpressed throughout the year and now these jerks who dont understand their real culture anyway, want to put down carnival as though its a detriment

all the articles ive read including yours, indicate that many of the protesters are students and teachers . university students are the most pampered lily pons naive people in brazil, and quite a few university professors have lost contact with reality since they threw their lot in, from the past, with far left marxists back in the 60`s...the notion that any of them thought marxist revolution could work at all and was worth fighting for was absolutly disgusting judgement..and many of them got hurt real bad by a brutal military dictatorship

fundimentaly, they would have gotten much farther if they hadnt decided that a marxist che revolution was just hunky dory...and that mentality is just floating down into today, not as a marxist movement , but as a poorly thought out plan of how to protest, and its going to bite them in the ass if they dont get more creative

hell yes, protest corruption, violence, hospital conditions for sus, inflation, but not by undermining good things like the copa or carnival...of course there is big money involved and of course its going to be ripped off, but that money never would have gone to the places it was needed in the first place...beleive me, just the corruption money alone in regular life could take care of these problems
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written by limpopo, July 01, 2013
'well, the dollar hasnt been low in brazil for a long while , so that has nothing to do with it, a higher dollar didnt afffect inflation a few years before'

u r quite the idiot. Brasil is a major commodity producer, so when commodities get pumped due to $ debasement, the local currency BRL strengthens....get it????
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written by João da Silva, July 01, 2013

Brasil is a major commodity producer, so when commodities get pumped due to $ debasement, the local currency BRL strengthens....get it????


We the Brasilians worked quite hard in the 70's and 80's to become "finished goods producers" (a.k.a. Value Added Products as our late friend ch.c correctly called them) and never ever to be branded as "Commodity Exporters". Our "rulers" knew better than the lowly peasants & thus turned our economy into a commodity based one. Argentina has been having 150 years of "Beef economy" & I guess we could have at least 30 years of "Pork Economy".smilies/smiley.gifsmilies/wink.gifsmilies/cheesy.gif

Cheerssmilies/cool.gif
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written by João da Silva, July 02, 2013

Has any one heard from Rickey whose input on the state of our economy is absolutely necessary to enrich further our discussions re the "Protests"?

Mr.Limpopo, you think the Egyptians have joined hands with the Brasilians and are refining their methods to protest against their lawfully "elected" governments? Your viewpoints, (in spite of your being a modest person), are awaited. smilies/smiley.gif

The Egyptian Armed Forces have given 48 hours to Morsi to come back to reality. And I give you 12 hours to come back to the forum.smilies/wink.gifsmilies/cheesy.gifsmilies/grin.gif
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written by .., July 03, 2013
u r quite the idiot. Brasil is a major commodity producer, so when commodities get pumped due to $ debasement, the local currency BRL strengthens....get it????


The $ has strengthened and commodities have taken a dump although QE has been ramped up to $85 billion a month...whom is the idiot?smilies/wink.gif

But...but...but...our distinguished and esteemed blogger Rickey would certainly school you in microeconomics with alacrity...your simplistic macro perspective is quite entertaining though.smilies/wink.gifsmilies/cheesy.gifsmilies/grin.gif


Limpopo
written by João da Silva, July 03, 2013

Mr.Limpopo. Please do us all a favor by asking your big boss Ederson what he thinks of the latest "events" in Egypt.

Never mind our esteemed & highly respectable "Double-Dot", though his suggestion of Rickey "schooling you in Microeconomics with alacrity" is brilliant and every single blogger in this mag seconds his motion.

smilies/smiley.gifsmilies/wink.gifsmilies/cheesy.gifsmilies/grin.gif

P.S. Never mind ASP who is another Shiite masquerading as a legitimate Sulfi.smilies/cool.gif
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written by asp, July 04, 2013
hey, limpopop, you a*****e, this is why listening to motherf**kers like you a million miles away about what is happening in brazil is chato pra garamba

a few years ago, the dollar was tanking in brazil and there was a big fuss about the cambio situation...because the dollar was too low and hurting the economy because of exports

for a while now, before june, the dollar was stable against the real at about 2 reals to the dollar, it was good for everyone..and then after it staid that way, the inflation and strikes starte happeining, the stable cambio at that point had nothing to do with the inflation and strikes....you f**king idiot

the dollar only started getting too big after i left on tour in june...

get the f**k out of my face with your bulls**t you a*****e...kiss my ass dick head before you start running off at the mouth with your ignorant take on what is happening down here....bitch
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written by asp, July 04, 2013
mother f**kers from outside and inside brazil better start getting a handle on what the f**k is really happening...and that is since 10 or so years ago, violence from coke /crack and arms deals started escolating at an alarming rate...i know why...but a whole lot of a*****es dont

the cambio fuss was when the dollar was tanking and people were screaming it hurt the economy...it hasnt been like that in a while, now its going the opisite way...ever since the protests started worrying investers...inflation started very slowly to creep in and now its cronic and now the strikes are cronic

the protesters who are reaking havoc because of the copa look silly in the face of the recent wonderful victory with the confederacao...do you think the real people who love their futebol and swell with pride at the victories are going to agree with the pampered students and teachers who need to come out of their stupid ideological heads in the sky, ignoring the dog s**t? they better go back and tweek their protests to deal with corruption, violence, inflation, and hospital services and general services instead of going after the copa and olympics

mother f**kers in their ivory towers, and the most pampered brazilians , in the country, university students, need to tweak their agendas and come down to reality

damn it, the f**king truth is , now, the corruption, the strikes by the syndicates, the organised crime asault on public transportation, the student protests that disrupt daily life and business and regular incerasing daily vioence and inflation are what is really hurting the everyday brazilian...the real brazilian...not the copa and olympics

give me a fuking break...
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written by asp, July 04, 2013
oh yeah, joao...i got home just now, from my business trip..just guess what i ran into ?

oh man, i mean what the fuk....double whammy...the baixa tarifas movement with the red flags and students and teachers are protesting any kind of bus fare at all...i mean they are protesting and clogging everything to try to get no fare? that is a lovely ideological,pie in the sky impossible on the ground goal...isnt it..and, then the bus drivers and cobradors went on one of their patented lightening strikes to throw the city in chaos, they are of course in competition with the organsised crime gangs in prison to see who can throw the bus system into the biggest chaos...

and i get caught in the middle of all that s**t trying to get home....

guess how i feel about these students and their attitudes and the bus syndicate ? when we left june 12 , guess who was on strike?

this is total bulls**t, a few teachers , students, snydicates and organised crime is who is really holding us hostage
asp
written by João da Silva, July 04, 2013

oh yeah, joao...i got home just now, from my business trip..just guess what i ran into ?


Ha, ha! Back home after a safe trip,eh. ole bud. Welcome back!! I get the same feeling as you do after visiting "overseas"!!!! Leaky roofs, predios falling into pieces,etc; Never mind, the B & C segments are with us. The whole point I am trying to make is the Brasilian Middle-class has waken up after almost 20 years of hibernation.

I have been having bad time with illogical folks for the past 2 months. Last week, I asked them "Do you have suggestions/Solutions". Nobody answeredsmilies/angry.gif

I cant help comparing the "revolutions" in Egypt & Brasil & I think they are the same (Except that the Egyptians took just a year to kick their "Headman" out of office)smilies/cool.gif

I think our country has lots of potentials (untapped and ignored, though). Hope Prez Dilma takes back command and downsizes the ministries by half (to show her serviço). If not, we are in big trouble.

P.S: Mind not being aggressive to the nephew of my pal Cel.Ederson?smilies/cheesy.gifsmilies/grin.gifsmilies/wink.gif
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written by asp, July 05, 2013
joao, all you have to do is tell limppoppo to not make his dumb insults at me...any motherf**ker who calls me an idiot is going to have to expect to get the same back, i never insulted the ass hole before,what the f**k is his problem thinking he can just start insulting me?

joao, its the sons and daughters of these middle class, who are working hard to put them through school , who are thinking they are being so idealistic to just go out and disrupt a lot of hard working people's lives with their cute political statement...they dont go to the offices of the owners of the buses, or go to the mayor's office who makes the desicians and protest...they go and disrupt the hard working lives of the average person just trying to get to work on time to make his small paycheck to put food on the table...they only hurt the small person

and then you get the students and teachers protesting because they want no bus fare and the drivers and cobradors protesting to get higher salaries, and who gets caught in the middle? for sure not the upper class who all have cars

what bulls**t
What did I tell you dumb f**k slaves of Brasil?
written by Jake Benjamin McCrann, July 05, 2013
Go look at my comments on this forum from one year ago about Rudi Guliani and his drone bombers for Rio and the f**king Mossad being wet-blood trained in your favelas, and I warned you - If you allow or refuse Rudi's directorship of security of the World Cup and Olympics.,..then you will pay like the bitches you are.

Facebook is Zuckerberg JEW JEW JEW they create revolutions now straight out of Facebook.

The f**king Naivity of everyone in this world today, you Christian simpletons you do not believe truly in Evil, you do not read your Bible properly, it is written over and over the nature of Satan, the manners and character of his works and still you are like f**king naive children.

Go back to your television and look in the mirror and say it, "I love being a slave. It is true. I am happier to be a slave"

These protests wont go anywhere. They are controlled and were used to let some steam off the pressure cookers. But THEY are controlling the valves you get it? No you dont get it cause you are a dumb f**king slave.
Limpopo
written by João da Silva, July 05, 2013

joao, all you have to do is tell limppoppo to not make his dumb insults at me..


Mr.Limpopo, don't you ever insult Master.ASP again, savvy?smilies/smiley.gifsmilies/wink.gifsmilies/cheesy.gif If you do it again, I shall phone my friend Cel.Ederson and request him to fire you.smilies/cool.gif

I am also slightly upset with you for not giving any feed back re the "Arab Summer" in Egypt.smilies/shocked.gif

But...but...but... I am pleased to note that Der Fuehrer, McCrann is back in this blog bringing sunshine to all the distinguished and non distinguished bloggers. I bet ASP is shocked to read McCrann is on a smear campaign against Rudy.smilies/wink.gifsmilies/cheesy.gifsmilies/grin.gif
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written by asp, July 07, 2013
people just dont get what the f**k is going on....

i sure dont want some military coming out and mowing down protesters...

but, i say everyone in brazil and the world is interpreting these protests how they want to and not really seeing what the real deal is about it in the first place

first of all, it sure aint the regular day to day hard working or even poor brazilians coming out to protest...its teachers desperatly trying to find themselves and establish some kind of identity that they could link up with their heroes...then the naive pampered students , the lily pons class of brazil, who their middle class parents are working like dogs to pay for their university education...then the red flaggers who arnt the pt, who are the power in the administration now, and beleive me, if the pt werent in power, they would be out in huge full red flag force screaming louder than anyone ,you can always see in the protests they show, a couple of red flaggers waving away and then a red beret in the porto allegre take over of the political building there, kind of a combo gueverra/marx exclamation, the syndicate leaders, of some companies, like the buses, and, their desicians have been extremly cruel and cold blooded to the bus users ,

and that is the most perplexing and painful thing about these protests, like we see here where i live, these teacher students with their baixa tarif , dont pay anything for the fare is their mantra, jump over the turnstyle, some girls in fasionalbe jeans and expensive hair styles and jewelry , with smug smiles of pseudo revolution on their faces, and, then

the syndicates of the bus drivers and cobradors call a lightening bus strike and then from the protests and bus strike, the city goes into chaos and who gets hurt the worst ? the real brazilian, hard working his and her ass off to put food and bread on the table and pay his inflated bills , and charge out each day in heavy transit to begin with , and they get thier lives punished because of these juvinile protests that gum up the works and then the syndicates , who know how to bully , just rachet it all up, so the real brazilians get their lives punished some more...when are the organised crime guys going to call out their people to burn the buses to get their attention?

these protesters sure arnt going to the places where the elite run the business and protest...there sure is plenty to protest

but, they all knew the olympics and copa was going to be investment, everyone, why no protest back then? and winning the confederacao and congradulations to brazil on that one, from a guy that was getting doubts, i loved eating my doubts, this is not going to win over supporters...but bring in quotes from people who dont really know or care what isreally happening...like marisa monte dedicating a song to the protesters...man, a lot of people want to dream what this is..we all need to face reality...this country is great and is going to face its destiny and come through in the next years...petty ideologies on all sides will just make it more dificult...there is so much to really face and protest..not the olympics and copa..we all need love and self esteem..why try to step on that..just make sure it gets to everybody

João . . .
written by capnamerca, July 07, 2013
Whether or not these protests fizzle out is up to the people. I'm in the U.S. at present, so it's a bit difficult to judge the atmosphere. Most of the people I talk to tell me the movement is being ruined by the looters and vandals. Just today though a friend in Oiapoque told me how well it's going there right now. My prayers are with the people.

What do they want? Come on João, you know as well as anyone. Why are you feigning ignorance? They want their taxes returned to them in the form of services. Education, infrastructure, health care, security, etc. They're tired of feeding the oligarchs. The world cup has done very little for the average citizen as will be the case with the Olympics. Sure, there are some temporary jobs in the cities hosting the games, but for the average citizen of Brazil, the resulting inflation has hurt more than it's helped. Oh . . . and the political corruption which starts at the very top and trickles all the way down to the local beat cops. They're sick of that too.

Of course there are many who want this and that to change, but you know as well as I do, these issues are the big ones. Brazil has almost unlimited potential, but to realize that, the entire population must participate.
capnamerica
written by João da Silva, July 08, 2013

Whether or not these protests fizzle out is up to the people.


Did you know that there is a possibility of the protests being hijacked the "ruling party"? July 11th is the D-day, in case your friend from Oiapoque didn't tell you that.

Why are you feigning ignorance? They want their taxes returned to them in the form of services. Education, infrastructure, health care, security, etc. They're tired of feeding the oligarchs. The world cup has done very little for the average citizen as will be the case with the Olympics.


I am not feigning ignorance. I am aware that the "Classe C" which was elevated to Classe B overnight, by the "Marqueteiros" hired by the government are not all that dumb.smilies/smiley.gifsmilies/wink.gif
O simple is as o simple does
written by TiredoffightingtheEst, July 09, 2013
Rudy/JDMcC: "you Christian simpletons you do not believe truly in Evil, you do not read your Bible properly"

I beg to differ, I was taught by the some of the very first and very finest crack foisters in my neighborhood. Everyone in their Sunday finest came to the "bingo" sessions and were being taught by them, we never had so many Caddilacs or up rides arrive on our humble dead end street than those days that everyone was being "taught" about Evil and how to read the bible "correctly".
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written by asp, July 09, 2013
i dont know joao, the more i wade into this, the more the fog slowly parts and reveals a flimsy pseudo wanna be "leftists" ( I wish there were some real leftists around, not the red flag punk variety), mostly but not exclusivly emanating from the students with teachers as some of the "organisers" with also a variety of "anyone with a problem, get out and protest and write a little sign", then , on the fringe are the syndicates, who might swoop in harder soon or later...the bus syndicate already has played cruel to us...

what the hell, i think ill get out and protest "no more sertaneja universitario, no rock, "

im afraid what it really takes to confront the real problems that face brazil are people who want to roll up their sleeves and try to deal with each of the issues that make daily life tough, like transport, health services, violence, corruption etc

pseudo "look at me, im on tv and im being revolutionary, arnt i special..." i dont think is going to really confront those issues

i mean what the f**k, im hitting the streets and protest, just to be protesting....
asp
written by João da Silva, July 10, 2013

i dont know joao, the more i wade into this, the more the fog slowly parts and reveals a flimsy pseudo wanna be "leftists" ( I wish there were some real leftists around, not the red flag punk variety), mostly but not exclusivly emanating from the students with teachers as some of the "organisers" with also a variety of "anyone with a problem, get out and protest and write a little sign", then , on the fringe are the syndicates, who might swoop in harder soon or later...the bus syndicate already has played cruel to us...


Tomorrow (July 11th) is the D-day, ASP. Sit tight in your cabana and watch the events unfold.

Did you know the "plebiscite" business was voted down by the congress and still the government is insisting and has sought out the help of their "base". I wonder how our dick-less middle class is going to react. smilies/cool.gif
Who's Surprised?
written by bo, July 19, 2013
One of the most closed economies in the world. One of the most beaurocratic. One of the most corrupt.

Who's truly surprised?

I hope the burn the son-of-a-bitch down.

Thank god I finally got ou!
No sur-prizes
written by Simpleton, July 21, 2013
Voce realmente ainda acha que tudo isso e so pelos 20 centavos? Fifa 33 bilhoes, olimpico 26 bilhoes, corrupcao 50 bilhoes, salaria minimo 678, impostos recolidos 1/1 ate 13/6 710 bilhoes.

Then again, when I check the calendar I see that basically from mid June to mid September they have no holidays so why not invent a reason, any reason, not to work (even if it really did all begin over a six percent increase in bus fare) ne'?

Nice to hear from ya bo. Long time. I've still got a little over 50 mil left to extract and then I'm out too.

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