Comments for Brazilians Take On Global Warming and Steal the Show at http://www.brazzil.com , comment 1 to 43 out of 20 comments http://www.brazzil.com Sat, 14 Sep 2013 13:14:36 +0100 FeedCreator 1.7.3 http://www.brazzil.com/home-mainmenu-1/207-august-2009/10231-brazilians-take-on-global-warming-and-steal-the-show.html#comment-46756 I took my first home loans when I was 32 and this aided my relatives very much. Nevertheless, I need the short term loan once more time. - Chasity19Pacheco Fri, 06 Aug 2010 21:12:10 +0100 http://www.brazzil.com/home-mainmenu-1/207-august-2009/10231-brazilians-take-on-global-warming-and-steal-the-show.html#comment-40640 i did see a docu on tv down here in brazil about that case and other problems with the land there. that might be the film you are talking about... its important to seperate the real unjustices going on there , the slavery , the violence against people calling for help for the people etc, from mst and chalotons from out of the country going under the banner of save the amazon...it is not a cut and dried situation and i mean its very important... there was a report about a guy from europe owning a huge amount of land in the amazon and going under the banner of protecting the amazon, and he was actualy destroying it for his profit. this kind of thing generates huge distrust in foreigners trying to get involved...and i suggest any foreigner who wants to get involved needs to seriously step with caution and research very carefully the situation the might be going into and, any movement that is worth supporting should distance itself far from mst. one of the massacers that was spoken about was done after a violent charge on a police line by mst. its hard to imagine any police force in the world not reacting violently at this mst action. mst leads with flawed marxism,they are full of tired dogma , use intimidation and violence. and stick their noses in places that they dont even belong. like protesting outside of the american embassy in brasilia after 9/11. one of the people sitting on the ground in protest was asked why he was doing it, he answered, he didnt even know, they just told him to come there and he was hungry... they are a very bad group to hook up with or associate in any way. as any marx group does, they play on the poverty and hunger and exploitation of the people there and then mix in there stupid brand of marxist concepts to deal with the situation.they study in cuba and have had farc people hang with them good luck on you alls endeavers - asp Mon, 17 Aug 2009 17:41:17 +0100 http://www.brazzil.com/home-mainmenu-1/207-august-2009/10231-brazilians-take-on-global-warming-and-steal-the-show.html#comment-40618 [quote]On final thanks for Rodney Melo who makes our Brazzil community possible. [/quote] Is it a valedictory note, Marco? [quote]Oh, and about private individual contributions to the Amazon Fund, BNDES is now working on it and as soon as they get back to me, I'll forward it one to the readers of Brazzil. [/quote] BNDES is working on it? Great news. ;) - Manda Chuva Sun, 16 Aug 2009 20:44:07 +0100 http://www.brazzil.com/home-mainmenu-1/207-august-2009/10231-brazilians-take-on-global-warming-and-steal-the-show.html#comment-40617 the drug farms set up by the farc along with there training camps . the illeagle gold miners . slave trade from all over the south going to chaves land then shiped out to his arab friends . i here young latin women are sold over and over in the land of mohamad - Forrest Allen Brown Sun, 16 Aug 2009 20:07:52 +0100 http://www.brazzil.com/home-mainmenu-1/207-august-2009/10231-brazilians-take-on-global-warming-and-steal-the-show.html#comment-40613 Dear Brazzil readers and David Stang, Thank you all for turning this thread into an important discussion of the Amazon and all of our respective responsibilities. I want to especially thank David for keeping up the good fight, helping all of us understand the cause of Dorothy and so many who have given their lives for sustainable development, peace and justice. My article points out an important shift in public opinion in Brazil, a shift that accelerated as Brazilians came to know and better understand Dorothy, her cause, and the forces behind her assassination in 2005. In the mid-1990s I made modest efforts to inform the United States about the situation of landless rural workers in Brazil, and the deeply disturbing massacres at Eldorado dos Carajas and Corumbiara. After Dorothy’s assassination, I worked voluntarily as National Organizer of the Brazil Strategy Network to assist with efforts to press forward with the cause of justice and hold the judicial branch accountable for a timely, effective prosecution of the crime. On April 17, 2006 I co-signed, as National Organizer of the Brazil Strategy Network, along with David and hundreds of individuals and organizations, a letter drafted by the RFK Human Rights Memorial and Emily Goldman and addressed to President Lula. The letter called for the Brazilian federal government to forcefully address the issue of impunity with respect to violence against those who defend the rights of the rural landless and sustainable development, including Sister Dorothy Stang. See the letter at: http://www.rfkmemorial.org/human_rights/2001_Frigo/LulaLetter17Apr06.pdf The work of Dorothy, and now David, to press on to defend human rights and the conservation of the Amazon in Brazil is now showing results. Certainly the rapid change in public opinion is both a reflection of this work and an open door for those who are working to transform Brazilian public policy and development practices. More and more Brazilians want sustainable development, not the jungle capitalism steeped in blood as the killers of Dorothy advocate. The negotiations to extend and amend the Kyoto Protocol of the United Nations Framework on Climate Change, as well as the Lula administration’s establishment of the Amazon Fund, among other innovative policies, create an unprecedented moment for Brazilians to distinguish their nation. However, although public opinion can rapidly shift, especially following the front page stories of Dorothy’s assassination and David’s tireless efforts to bring the murderers to justice, democratic public policy cannot. We have to be patient, but persistent in our support of sustainability; understanding that the problems of the Amazon are truly global, but that the solution ultimately rests with Brazilian democracy and its citizens. We can rant (I have certainly ranted my fair share), but that is just sucking oxygen out of the air; or we can join David, we can work to ensure that the Amazon Fund works to finance sustainable development, and we can call out those politicians, those corporations, and those international financial institutions whose work stands in bloody contrast to the work inspired by Dorothy. David how can we help? For those living in Brazil, such organizations as S.O.S. Mata Atlantica and Porto Sul Não www.acaoilheus.org, are important opportunities to force the issue. Indeed, I’m impressed with the Forum Brasileiro de Mudanças Climáticas http://www.forumclima.org.br/default.asp as an important avenue for connecting the dots between the private sector, civil society, and the government to forge ahead with sustainable development policies, especially those that treat the Amazon. Also, we should not underestimate the work of the Amazon state governors who are moving ahead rather quickly with efforts to develop a framework for preserving the Amazon through fee for environmental services, yes a compromise with large landowners, but one that can work with the right policies. Yes, it’s easy to criticize the soy farmers and cattle ranchers, but it is much harder to negotiate a viable, sustainable development framework with them. Yet, nobody said this was going to be easy, and Dorothy’s thirty year struggle to save the Amazon and its peoples can only continue if we negotiate through the private interests to make a public policy that works. Oh, and about private individual contributions to the Amazon Fund, BNDES is now working on it and as soon as they get back to me, I'll forward it one to the readers of Brazzil. On final thanks for Rodney Melo who makes our Brazzil community possible. - Mark Langevin Sun, 16 Aug 2009 11:06:01 +0100 http://www.brazzil.com/home-mainmenu-1/207-august-2009/10231-brazilians-take-on-global-warming-and-steal-the-show.html#comment-40610 [quote]The result was constant betrayal, corruption within the agencies, lack of funding and good supervision of the government of these agencies, corruption of the Judicial System, and overwhelming power of the Plantation Ranchers, Loggers, and Soy Bean Producers to make short term profits with no sense of long term financial gain.The Powerful Consortium that most people in the Amazon feel every day and know exists wants slavery or cheap labor.[/quote] Unfortunately David, that's just not the Amazon, that's the entirety of Brazil. Your sisters plight is just a microcosm of what happens all over this country in regards to the denial of human rights and the systemic corruption that invades every aspect of life in Brazil. What happened to your sister was a tragedy and even moreso the resulting attempts at "justice". Hopefully one day those responsible will have to account for their actions on this earth. "And with what measure ye mete, it shall be meausured out to you." - Chico Mendez Sun, 16 Aug 2009 06:56:09 +0100 http://www.brazzil.com/home-mainmenu-1/207-august-2009/10231-brazilians-take-on-global-warming-and-steal-the-show.html#comment-40605 What is your answer to David Stang´s comments, old chap? - Manda Chuva Sat, 15 Aug 2009 14:02:49 +0100 http://www.brazzil.com/home-mainmenu-1/207-august-2009/10231-brazilians-take-on-global-warming-and-steal-the-show.html#comment-40604 Sorry Dorothy was murdered Feb. 12th 2005. I had a senior moment. David Stang - david stang Sat, 15 Aug 2009 12:39:44 +0100 http://www.brazzil.com/home-mainmenu-1/207-august-2009/10231-brazilians-take-on-global-warming-and-steal-the-show.html#comment-40603 Speaking positively enouracges people however reality and fact check have importance also. My sister Dorothy Stang was murdered Feb. 12, 2004 in the Amazon for trying to help the Brazilian Federal Government develop Sustainable Farming through their agencies INCRA and IBAMA. The result was constant betrayal, corruption within the agencies, lack of funding and good supervision of the government of these agencies, corruption of the Judicial System, and overwhelming power of the Plantation Ranchers, Loggers, and Soy Bean Producers to make short term profits with no sense of long term financial gain.The Powerful Consortium that most people in the Amazon feel every day and know exists wants slavery or cheap labor. There is a very important movie in Portuguese, Spanish and English called "They Killed Sister Dorothy" that challenges the systems that are destroying the Amazon and the Rights of People to Develop. This Woman Dorothy Stang who was 73 when she was murdered was a Catholic Sister who gave 30 years of her life to help the Poor Develop and Developed two enormous Projects of Sustainable Development only to be betrayed and ignored and insulted by the Judicial System. The alleged two who planned her murder who have been jailed twice are now free. What message does give to the other killers in the Amazon. Over 800 farmers have been murdered in the Amazon with no justice. What message does this give to those who believe in Global Warming and the future of the Amazon? David Stang - david stang Sat, 15 Aug 2009 12:36:36 +0100 http://www.brazzil.com/home-mainmenu-1/207-august-2009/10231-brazilians-take-on-global-warming-and-steal-the-show.html#comment-40602 [quote]Maybe all of us should consider making a contribution to the Amazon Fund and take responsibility for deforestation in Brazil. Who is willing to match my contribution?[/quote] That's a good one. Wonder where that money will end up? Why doesn't everyone just go to the Amazon and try to stop deforestation? Like Dorothy Stang. :o - Chico Mendez Sat, 15 Aug 2009 03:50:33 +0100 http://www.brazzil.com/home-mainmenu-1/207-august-2009/10231-brazilians-take-on-global-warming-and-steal-the-show.html#comment-40595 We Brazilians may have gotten more awared of GW and other environ issues, but the fact is that we acting less and even promoting far more destruction than ever. My hometown of Santarem gets more and more mega-projects that disrespect and cause amazing damages to nature, namely mining for whatever minerals china, usa, uk, japan ...need; raising more cattle, hydroeletric projects, increasing water buffalo herds in the floodplain, grain fields replacing rainforest...you got it! - Gil Serique Fri, 14 Aug 2009 14:56:50 +0100 http://www.brazzil.com/home-mainmenu-1/207-august-2009/10231-brazilians-take-on-global-warming-and-steal-the-show.html#comment-40593 why not the planet - forrest allen brown Fri, 14 Aug 2009 11:28:28 +0100 http://www.brazzil.com/home-mainmenu-1/207-august-2009/10231-brazilians-take-on-global-warming-and-steal-the-show.html#comment-40592 [quote]JOAO in on marusius [/quote] Great to hear from you from Mauritius, Forrest. Supposed to be a beautiful place. How is the water there? If you have taken pictures of that place, would appreciate your e-mailing me some of the best shots. How long are you planning on staying over there? BTW, your comments and that of Augustus are very accurate and so are of Matheus.I went through the website the youngster mentioned and sure, an interesting campaign is going on in BA. - João da Silva Fri, 14 Aug 2009 11:28:23 +0100 http://www.brazzil.com/home-mainmenu-1/207-august-2009/10231-brazilians-take-on-global-warming-and-steal-the-show.html#comment-40588 While I must concur that Brazil is far from the position of Worse Polluters of our Planet (and could never be comparable to China, USA, and – surprisingly, according to BBC data – Australia), and although I have not lived in the country for several years, I must strongly disagree with the author’s unrealistic rosy depiction of an Environmentally Friendly Brazil. Just thinking of two examples, namely Cubatao (in Greater Sao Paulo metropolitan area) and the waters of Guanabara Bay (in Rio de Janeiro), suffice to indicate how carelessly irresponsible have Brazilians behaved throughout the nation’s 20th Century history… - Augustus Fri, 14 Aug 2009 06:03:07 +0100 http://www.brazzil.com/home-mainmenu-1/207-august-2009/10231-brazilians-take-on-global-warming-and-steal-the-show.html#comment-40586 waste energy , burning of the cane for harvest . burning of land to clear the amazon . just people burning trash, cooking food making bricks the making of charcol . none of thies hever ever been studied for there impact on the countrys heat index. not to even start talking about the rew sewage cooking off in the rivers and small ponds all over brasil . then how about all the raw sewage dumped by your city states like SP RIO just in the ocean and rivers un treated . temp of water goes up as turbity goes up JOAO in on marusius - Forrest Allen Brown Fri, 14 Aug 2009 05:42:53 +0100 http://www.brazzil.com/home-mainmenu-1/207-august-2009/10231-brazilians-take-on-global-warming-and-steal-the-show.html#comment-40573 [quote]Cientistas e especialistas de todo mundo começam a se reunir em Belo Horizonte, entre os dias 4 e 7 de agosto, para formar uma coalizão global para propor medidas mais efetivas e reduzir o prazo para 2020.[/quote] You were too late to post this info, Son. 7 de agosto was 6 days ago! But I think that you should write an essay in this magazine about this issue either in Portugués or English. A good title would be "Porto Sul Não". - Manda Chuva Thu, 13 Aug 2009 18:57:27 +0100 http://www.brazzil.com/home-mainmenu-1/207-august-2009/10231-brazilians-take-on-global-warming-and-steal-the-show.html#comment-40569 Os governos de todo o mundo estabeleceram metas modestas para reduzir o aquecimento global até 2050. Cientistas e especialistas de todo mundo começam a se reunir em Belo Horizonte, entre os dias 4 e 7 de agosto, para formar uma coalizão global para propor medidas mais efetivas e reduzir o prazo para 2020. A humanidade pode agir para evitar um risco sem precedentes para sua sobrevivência. É preciso começar agora. WE HAVE TO START NOW OR NOW! - Matheus Braz Thu, 13 Aug 2009 12:00:41 +0100 http://www.brazzil.com/home-mainmenu-1/207-august-2009/10231-brazilians-take-on-global-warming-and-steal-the-show.html#comment-40568 [quote]I respectfully award you the last word. [/quote] Your surrender accepted! [quote]Now, about that beer... [/quote] The Geneva Conventions were modified recently and our POWs are entitled for a 12 pack per [i][b]day[/b][/i]. :D - Manda Chuva Thu, 13 Aug 2009 10:04:27 +0100 http://www.brazzil.com/home-mainmenu-1/207-august-2009/10231-brazilians-take-on-global-warming-and-steal-the-show.html#comment-40564 Manda Chuva, I respectfully award you the last word. Now, about that beer... Abs, Mark - Mark Langevin Wed, 12 Aug 2009 22:16:00 +0100 http://www.brazzil.com/home-mainmenu-1/207-august-2009/10231-brazilians-take-on-global-warming-and-steal-the-show.html#comment-40561 [quote]But here is the catch, sampling is a science, and we can only trust random samples..[/quote] Not in Mathues´s case, old chap. He conducted the survey among 100% of the "Universe". ie his "Universe" consisted of his [i][b]class mates[/b][/i]. Probably, made a questionnaire and circulated among his class mates who were [i][b]not[/b][/i] required to identify themselves. Matheus doesn't seem to be a kid who misleads others with fudged data. He seems to be one hell of a blunt Brasilian!!! Probably among the 15% he cited. [quote]Although I admire Lula and have met him a couple of times, that's beside the point, [/quote] How wonderful you have met him. Did you give him a lecture about "Random Sampling"? ;) - Manda Chuva Wed, 12 Aug 2009 18:25:23 +0100