Comments for Brazil's Quota Foes Conveniently Forget US Affirmative Action's 40-Year Success at http://www.brazzil.com , comment 1 to 22 out of 20 comments http://www.brazzil.com Sun, 08 Nov 2009 01:51:45 +0100 FeedCreator 1.7.3 http://www.brazzil.com/home-mainmenu-1/181-july-2007/9928.html#comment-29688 If you do, you are in for a big surprise. - Ric Tue, 21 Aug 2007 22:46:44 +0100 http://www.brazzil.com/home-mainmenu-1/181-july-2007/9928.html#comment-29600 I am an African American who fought for the survey guided intervention called affarmative action. First, i am a veteran and a college graduate with experience in the work force of the United States. Brazil is to be complimented for the affirmative action plans they are useing. As a veteran from a family with continous service in the U S Armed forces I know the military has a way to go to become fair in treatment of minorities. The civilian work force is another issue in that the clock is being turned back for Black college graduates in the United States...Unfortunately the raceist culture of the United States is not getting any better....Perhaps I will move to Brazil because my family has faced continous opposition to full citizenship in the United States... :) :) - Robert L Birt Sat, 18 Aug 2007 11:35:02 +0100 http://www.brazzil.com/home-mainmenu-1/181-july-2007/9928.html#comment-29299 Import this from USA the communism affirmative action no helps pretos nor a society when Whites are minority affirmative action would end you see - KaZeka Wed, 08 Aug 2007 22:15:40 +0100 http://www.brazzil.com/home-mainmenu-1/181-july-2007/9928.html#comment-28916 there you go place the blame on the so called white race . slavery started before jesus was a spoken word . they were traded like money peoples of all colors , and races , controled by the rich or the ones who had the army tkings of some tribes in afrcia sent there own people into slavery to get what they wanted and to this day girls are still sold by there fathers and mothers to feed the family thak time and take a stroll through your native country . i have many friends over there and only 2 are white the others are all black and of many tribes . several from brundi i have not hurd from in a few years , and when we talk i am asked why the blacks in the US are always pulling out the race card and crying , whae they have a country that cares , and shows it does , that blacks in the US have more fredom to move about than any from afrcia can , they are given school and are garented some form of college education look at the US and see how it has come in the years from 1868 to now , and look at the track record of all the other countries of the world , i think we are doing some good , now we just have to stop all this me me me , and grow some balls and live with the past it cant be changed all we can do is to make sure it never happens again in our lifetime we have learned by our mistakes , we learn through pain , so it is up to us to keep adpting the laws and inprove the lives of all just last week in Texas a mexican was sueing for the same rights blacks have under the laws , THANK YOU NAACP and at the end of the war only a few blacks wanted to go back afrcia , and more came still after that to work in the USA it has been a hard fight for people of color in the USA as remember most of the rich came here from europ with the old ideas of the english & dutch to name a couple . i never slight people for there color or reliougs belife as that is not my way . but i have looked down to where my family came from on booth sides and they were not much better off than the slaves when they got here , but like your people thoes whom work and try they get ahead while thoes that just set and want a hand out not a hand up well we have a lot of traiolr trash toput to work . and i have spent many many years reading books on all subjects of human rights , the human machine , if you can find it inthe US the history of slavery in amercias and its outcome the color of slavery it covers over 3000 years of slavery and its movement and its cause and cost good reading - FORREST ALLEN BROWN Sun, 22 Jul 2007 01:03:21 +0100 http://www.brazzil.com/home-mainmenu-1/181-july-2007/9928.html#comment-28896 Pick pick pick, sorry I mentioned anything contrarian on the positive side. Maybe unique would have been a better choice - one beat the local ordinances restricting the number of horses he could have on his property by claiming the two half size ones should only count as one - HE WON!! The StPG was tasty. I'd encountered a case of Brahma lata here a couple of weeks ago. Though I had always only liked it chopp before, I found only a couple cans with a bit of oxidation (which didn't matter since I'd forgot it was 4.9 vs 3.2 and hadn't adjusted my patterns - great holiday!) - Simpleton Thu, 19 Jul 2007 21:12:24 +0100 http://www.brazzil.com/home-mainmenu-1/181-july-2007/9928.html#comment-28895 [quote]Would that be a lata JDS? [/quote] Yes my boy,it is a Lata! [quote]and incredibly neat and intelligent black blacks [/quote] Who says they are not neat and intelligent? We went for a wedding on last Saturday.The bride is of "Afro Brasilian" origin (A dentist) and the Groom is as white as a "Ghost" ( An MBA). The guests were of all color and I was wondering how the heck, we are going to allocate the quota. Now, I will let our new friend Doc.Scott to express his opinion. After all we do believe in freedom of Expression, dont we? Remember what he said:" Finally, as a product of one of the finest American universities, and also as a holder of several graduate and post graduate degrees, I can tell you categorically, that Racial supremacy in Education is a myth." In the meantime, you have a Lata and enjoy the debate. - João da Silva Thu, 19 Jul 2007 20:54:17 +0100 http://www.brazzil.com/home-mainmenu-1/181-july-2007/9928.html#comment-28894 Other than the patriarchially associated "best families" in my small burg, those with the mostest come from one of two backgrounds: 2nd to 3rd generation European families (recent "old" money from afar) and incredibly neat and intelligent black blacks on what some refer to as the black flight programme from the nearby megolopolis (brain power products). There is something to be said about Dr. Scotts theories. - Simpleton Thu, 19 Jul 2007 20:29:01 +0100 http://www.brazzil.com/home-mainmenu-1/181-july-2007/9928.html#comment-28893 [quote]From the beinning of this debate, I've told my friends who support AA here in Brazil that it was WRONG to associate AA with quotas.[/quote] You three seem to know quite a lot of our country and apparently traveled a lot (I know it is true 100% in the case of Mr.Brown). My biggest question is: Having more than 90% of our population with black blood, how are we going to distinguish who is black and who is white? My wife who is in the Educational field says that they are going to take pictures of the candidates and check out how dark or light the skin color is!. She also tells me that recently,there was an incident in UNB, there was a non identical twin. One brother was with darker skin and the other had a lighter one. The darker skinned one got itno the university and his brother was rejected. The latter sued the University and won! [quote]That new subgroup is made up entirely of African immigrants from the continent of Africa. They are graduating from Harvard, Yale and Stanford in record numbers, this is a fact[/quote] There again you are making my point about U.S. placing importance on "Brain Power", irrespective of the skin of the color.I dont know if these kids are paying Tution fees or studying on scholarship,but it has nothing to do with their color,I suppose. We have gone through several discussions about racism in this blog and no "Coal Black" Brasilian has given importance to this. btw, I know a several kids who are very black, got through the entrance exams for the Federal Universities and they are doing extremely well in their professions! The problem in our country right now is lack of job opportunities for both dark skinned as well as white skinned. Our politcos use such ploys as AA,quota,etc; Having said my piece, time for me to have a cold beer. - João da Silva Thu, 19 Jul 2007 19:25:31 +0100 http://www.brazzil.com/home-mainmenu-1/181-july-2007/9928.html#comment-28890 Mr. Brown. Africans did not invade Europe,decimate it and transport over 100 million europeans to Africa severing them from their families, their homeland and their culture. Africans did not occupy Europe and divide it into parts primarily for explotation. If Africans had been left alone in Africa, perhaps your ancestors would not have been able to acquire the wealth, and enjoy the lifestyle they have enjoyed for the past 400 years. Affirmative action is about redressing the wrongs caused by slavery and discrimination. It is about attempting to level the playing field. Contrary to many of the rants on this web page, I know for a fact that if you give whites and Balcks a similar education, and similar opportunities, many a time, the Black will do as good if not better than the whites. The reason why affirmative action is needed in Brazil is clear, Brazillians praise their "racial democracy", but in this democracy the black berries are always stuck at the bottom of a barrel. There is racism in America, yes, but America has laws, laws like the Fair Employment and Housing Act which say you cannot refuse me service because of the color of my skin, or refuse me a promotion because of my national origin. It happens, but if you get caught you will pay for it. This is what Brazil has to do if it wants to be fair, but throughout my travels in Brazil, I have discovered that Brazillians will rather stick their head in the sand than engage the issue of discrimination. Finally, as a product of one of the finest American universities, and also as a holder of several graduate and post graduate degrees, I can tell you categorically, that Racial supremacy in Education is a myth. There was an article in the Los Angeles Times and in Vogue magazine a few weeks ago, in that article the conclusion was that Asians are no longer the most educated subgroup in the United States, a new subgroup has emerged whose members surpass Whites, Asians, and Latinos in the amount of college and post graduate degrees accumulated. That new subgroup is made up entirely of African immigrants from the continent of Africa. They are graduating from Harvard, Yale and Stanford in record numbers, this is a fact. Finally, Mr. Brown, if your ancestors were taught that you are worse than an Animal, and you were raised by a welfare mother in a rat infested hole, and probaby molested by several of the men you interacted with as a child, I winder if you would have the skill or wherewithal to remain out of prison. I suggest that you and others on this website who write before they think, go to the local library, and read about the history of our Great country, it will do you a great deal of good. - Charles Scott Thu, 19 Jul 2007 15:17:25 +0100 http://www.brazzil.com/home-mainmenu-1/181-july-2007/9928.html#comment-28888 a-dana-anna - What' this I hear about it being wrong to consume your quota and have those AlcoholicasAnominos wait to stand behind you in Brasil? First to the counter should be first served ne'? - Simpleton Wed, 18 Jul 2007 23:20:30 +0100 http://www.brazzil.com/home-mainmenu-1/181-july-2007/9928.html#comment-28886 From the beinning of this debate, I've told my friends who support AA here in Brazil that it was WRONG to associate AA with quotas. The U.S. didn't do it. - Macunaima Wed, 18 Jul 2007 07:13:43 +0100 http://www.brazzil.com/home-mainmenu-1/181-july-2007/9928.html#comment-28856 [quote]does this make people of color mad [/quote] A great post,Admiral, with lots of questions to ponder about.It would be interesting to receive comments from your fellow citizens as well as mine. - João da Silva Mon, 16 Jul 2007 18:37:45 +0100 http://www.brazzil.com/home-mainmenu-1/181-july-2007/9928.html#comment-28841 that to put the needs of others before our wants, to make all peoples of the earth feel safe have food , water , and the right to be FREE We are not makers of history. We are made by history. Martin Luther King, Jr. - FORREST ALLEN BROWN Sun, 15 Jul 2007 22:42:15 +0100 http://www.brazzil.com/home-mainmenu-1/181-july-2007/9928.html#comment-28838 There are African Americans, Mexican Americans, Asian Americans, Arab Americans, Native Americans, etc. And then there are just Americans. You pass me on the street and sneer in my direction. You Call me 'White boy,' 'Cracker,' 'Honkey,' 'Whitey,' 'Caveman' . and that's OK. But when I call you, Nigger, Kike, Towel head, Sand-nigger, camel Jockey, Beaner, red dot , Gook or Chink, you call me a racist. You say that whites commit a lot of violence against you, so why are the ghettos the most dangerous places to live? You have the United Negro College Fund. You have Martin Luther King Day. You have Black History Month. You have Cesar Chavez Day. You have Yom Hashoah. You have Ma'uled Al-Nabi. You have the NAACP. You have BET. If we had WET (White Entertainment Television) we'd be racists. If we had a White Pride Day you would call us racists. If we had White History Month we'd be racists. If we had any organization for only whites to 'advance' OUR lives we'd be racists. We have a Hispanic Chamber of Commerce, a Black Chamber of Commerce, and then we just have the plain Chamber of Commerce. Wonder who pays for that? If we had a college fund that only gave white students scholarships you know we'd be racists There are over 60 openly proclaimed Black Colleges in the US , yet if there were 'White colleges' THAT would be a racist college. In the Million Man March, you believed that you were marching for your race and rights. If we marched for our race and rights, you would call us racists. You rob us, carjack us, and shoot at us. But, when a white police officer shoots a black gang member or beats up a black drug-dealer running from the law and posing a threat to society you call him a racist. You are proud to be black, brown, yellow and orange, and you're not afraid to announce it. But when we announce our white pride you call us racists. Why is it that only whites can be racists? - FORREST ALLEN BROWN Sun, 15 Jul 2007 19:27:18 +0100 http://www.brazzil.com/home-mainmenu-1/181-july-2007/9928.html#comment-28836 All affirmative action is s a way for the mental faggots in any society to institute formal discrimination against white males by bribing underachieving demographic subgroups. This is the same theoretical basis for the way the Democrats approach electoral politics - an emotionally disturbed white elite riding a wave of minority votes to elected office. Same as Lula with his super-majorities in the Northeastern states. Plus, affirmative action in university admissions actually harms the supposed direct beneficiaries of the neo-racist admissions policies. Minority students are put in over their heads in general and then drop out at higher rates, many of whom would have been far better off going to the best school that they could have gotten into based on color-blind admissions. I have witnessed this phenomenon first-hand and it is very humiliating for the individuals involved. The ultimate proof that affirmative action is a total racist, political fraud is the fact that the income disparities between blacks and whites are much narrower in the Southern states in the U.S., where of course slavery was much more prevalent and affirmative action is most opposed, than in the rest of the country where the limousine liberals with their racist filth tend to hold political power. The lesson for Brasil is that it needs foreign capital and domestic profits to drive the kind of economic and job growth that will tend to lift all elements of society regardless of race. The last thing Brasil needs is the legal implementation of a lot of culturally foreign pseudo-intellectual psychobabble that only serves to harm those that it is supposedly designed to help. - conceicao Sun, 15 Jul 2007 12:57:14 +0100 http://www.brazzil.com/home-mainmenu-1/181-july-2007/9928.html#comment-28834 Furthermore, Brazil repeats daily they are against neoliberalism, but they expect others to be THE MOST neoliberalists....IN AGRICULTURE....ONLY !!!!!!! Guess why !!!!! LAUGH....LAUGH...LAUGH....!!!!! - ch.c. Sun, 15 Jul 2007 06:19:47 +0100 http://www.brazzil.com/home-mainmenu-1/181-july-2007/9928.html#comment-28833 Simply stated.....Basic Education AND Higher Education should be provided to ALL ! That is what developed nations provide to its society. That is what Brazil DOESNT provide to all. Even basic education is of poor quality. Jornal Hodja, owned by GloboTV, have done some tests to students of 34 countries. THEY RANKED BRAZIL......LAST !!!!!!! 18 months or so ago, someone said : "Governments are not supposed to provide wealth to its citizens, but must provide a positive environment to all. Entrepreneurs will reveal by themselves. Those who succeed will pay something back through taxes" Yessssss Bush....said it ! Yessss give an opportunity for Higher Education to ALL, and those making the efforts, in a positive Educational and Business environment will succeed. They will create JOBS and the country wealth of tomorrow. KNOWLEDGE AND IDEAS ARE everything. Looking at the origin of most large multinationals, they were created by 1 or a few people and have grown very large, such as IBM, JNJ, Pfizer, Microsoft, Oracle, Apple, Hewlett Packard, Exxon, J.Deere, Caterpillar, Ford, GM, AIG, Merrill Lynch just to name a few. And that is certainly not the case with Petrobras, a government controlled company. It is funny that Petrobras has ALL or MOST of the oil rights in Brazil, to avoid competition from both local And foreign companies. Going back to education, Brazil has 11 % of students with a University Degree, South Korea, another developing country, 85 % ! Brazil has 40 % of its GDP coming from the informal economy, but 60 % of its workers in the informal economy. Brazil has not even cars/trucks manufacturers. They are ALL foreign. Brazil has NOOOOO International drug companies. Brazil has NOOOOO International software or hardware companies. Brazil has NOOOOO International banks, insurances or financial companies. Lets face it, Brazil produces only cheap commodities....mostly sold in bulk. Even in coffee, for which Brazil is the world largest producer and exporter, their quality is LOW compared to other producing nations. Reality being that Robusta is of lower quality than Arabica, but the Arabica grown in Brazil is of lower quality than Arabica produced elsewhere. Lets face it again, Brazil doesnt produce value added goods by itself.The only value added goods they produce are made from FOREIGN COMPANIES THAT ESTABLISHED A BRAZILIAN PRODUCTION CENTER.....SUCH AS CARS, TRUCKS ETC ETC....!!! Brazil is simply a FIFHT WORLD country, governed by FILTHY people. - ch.c. Sun, 15 Jul 2007 06:13:54 +0100 http://www.brazzil.com/home-mainmenu-1/181-july-2007/9928.html#comment-28832 Hey Ms. Vânia Penha-Lopes, why did you go to AMERICA to study......why did you not study in Brazil ? Is it because the American educational system is the BEST in the world and is MERIT based, not based on quotas & medocrity ?!! - Joachim V Sun, 15 Jul 2007 05:06:05 +0100 http://www.brazzil.com/home-mainmenu-1/181-july-2007/9928.html#comment-28831 as well ? Will the Brazilian football team be No.1 if it was selected based on quotas rather than MERIT ??? - zircon works Sun, 15 Jul 2007 04:59:16 +0100 http://www.brazzil.com/home-mainmenu-1/181-july-2007/9928.html#comment-28830 starts with the word QUOTA - george zimmer Sun, 15 Jul 2007 04:55:31 +0100