Comments for Haiti Is Giving Brazil a Chance to Prove Its Mettle Beyond Cheap Talk at http://www.brazzil.com , comment 1 to 69 out of 20 comments http://www.brazzil.com Sun, 15 Sep 2013 04:57:46 +0100 FeedCreator 1.7.3 http://www.brazzil.com/home-mainmenu-1/212-january-2010/10345-haiti-is-giving-brazil-a-chance-to-prove-its-mettle-beyond-cheap-talk.html#comment-44282 It's been a month since the earthquake - over 2 million desperately need of food assistance. They have no homes, no jobs, no food. The World Food Programme was there before the quake, and they'll be there afterwards helping to rebuild lives. If you want to help you should go to: http://wfp.org/crisis/haiti or text FRIENDS to 90999 to make a $5 donation - vincent reginalds Wed, 10 Feb 2010 08:21:40 +0100 http://www.brazzil.com/home-mainmenu-1/212-january-2010/10345-haiti-is-giving-brazil-a-chance-to-prove-its-mettle-beyond-cheap-talk.html#comment-44164 [quote]Did Lula not live in Brazil from 1964 to 1984? Maybe I missed something? [/quote] He did live here during that period, though [i][b]not[/b][/i] under an "authoritarian rule". He was just 19 in 1964 and in spite of his being from a poor family in the Northeast, he managed to make use of the opportunities that the strong economic growth presented to him and many others during the Military government. He didn't get involved in any subversive activities nor went into exile like his predecessor or many of his "junior colleagues" who work for him now (and belonged to the upper middle or rich class) . Contrary to popular belief, the Military government really did not harass people who did honest living. By the time Lula got into his labor union activities (in VW), the military had already decided to quit power and they really didnt care about his political activities. (Remember the famous Leh Walesa of Poland?). When the Military quit, he furthered his political career, though he didn't get elected as the President immediately. Even many of his critics as well his supporters acknowledge that he is a very charismatic figure. Unfortunately he always used his charisma to develop himself into a [i][b]cult[/b][/i] figure. If you recall the history, the Military generals, though were not elected, just stayed for 5 years before passing on the power to another one. Besides it would be very unfair to compare the Brasilian Military regime with that of Pinochet in Chile or the junta in Argentina. Also an exaggeration to compare him with Nelson Mandela or Gandhi! He likes power like Chavez does and I bet both of them exchange ideas as how to remain at the top for ever.:D - João da Silva Thu, 04 Feb 2010 02:28:07 +0100 http://www.brazzil.com/home-mainmenu-1/212-january-2010/10345-haiti-is-giving-brazil-a-chance-to-prove-its-mettle-beyond-cheap-talk.html#comment-44154 [quote]When and where did he live under such rule,Cap´n? [/quote] Did Lula not live in Brazil from 1964 to 1984? Maybe I missed something? - Capnamerca Wed, 03 Feb 2010 15:29:27 +0100 http://www.brazzil.com/home-mainmenu-1/212-january-2010/10345-haiti-is-giving-brazil-a-chance-to-prove-its-mettle-beyond-cheap-talk.html#comment-44073 [quote]I'm disappointed that Jobim didn't have a bigger impact abroad as Minister of Culture. [/quote] When was Jobim the Minister of Culture? Refresh my memory, please. - João da Silva Sat, 30 Jan 2010 15:35:55 +0100 http://www.brazzil.com/home-mainmenu-1/212-january-2010/10345-haiti-is-giving-brazil-a-chance-to-prove-its-mettle-beyond-cheap-talk.html#comment-44061 Before your government becomes more involved with Haiti, look at the videos on the Haiti Information Project website, and especially the criticisms of the Brazilian troops serving with UN. All the independent media in Haiti, like HIP and Comunica, need supporting. What depresses me about this discussion of Brazil's international role, is that nobody is mentioning uniting the south American continent, in the way that the European Union and African Union are uniting their continents, however imperfectly. Surely Lula should be trying to cooperate with Chavez in this, instead of competing for international influence? Under the military regimes in the recent past, Argentina, Brazil and Chile all competed for continental dominance, with Pinochet helping Thatcher against Argentina, for example.United you stand, divided you fall. Another area where Brazil is missing out internationally is in making a strategic investment in Brazilian cultural centres in every country where there are Brazilian immigrants, and in this way, turning the Brazilian diaspora into a national development asset.I'm disappointed that Jobim didn't have a bigger impact abroad as Minister of Culture. - paulmorel Fri, 29 Jan 2010 19:16:27 +0100 http://www.brazzil.com/home-mainmenu-1/212-january-2010/10345-haiti-is-giving-brazil-a-chance-to-prove-its-mettle-beyond-cheap-talk.html#comment-44056 yeah,and it was good news to me about the bust - asp Fri, 29 Jan 2010 15:19:05 +0100 http://www.brazzil.com/home-mainmenu-1/212-january-2010/10345-haiti-is-giving-brazil-a-chance-to-prove-its-mettle-beyond-cheap-talk.html#comment-44050 [quote]joao, mst got busted today,i know you know,they should never have messeed with bndes hahahahahahaha [/quote] I am aware of it, ASP and I am glad you share my sentiments about those low lives. It is getting hot for them south of our state border and they are being sent over here. The state government [i][b]finally[/b][/i] woke up and did something. They have to do the same thing for those MFs coming from other Western states (bordering the neighboring countries) and put an end to the "Problems" we are having in our neighborhoods. Lloyd Cata is right on one point though. I know a bit more than I am willing to let on, just like him!!!! BTW, I cordially invite you also to that link I furnished to Dr.Cata. :P Cheers. Might drop by again with some unimportant visitors again in the coming weeks.;) - João da Silva Fri, 29 Jan 2010 13:10:19 +0100 http://www.brazzil.com/home-mainmenu-1/212-january-2010/10345-haiti-is-giving-brazil-a-chance-to-prove-its-mettle-beyond-cheap-talk.html#comment-44049 of course there are big money interests being fought over around the world...humans are hot wired to do this... you cant paint the other side (whether sharia law advocates or chavez and fidel) as innocent in this world drama... they are just trying to build their agendas also.... hype capatalism is horrible...i beleive in capatilism with a concience. and i beleive this communist manifesto of workers unite and pick up arms and fight for the revolution as one of the biggest blow hard faults of its agenda... people easily have the power to totaly destroy hyper capatilism with out even firing one shot...people just dont want to... every one knows about these bankers and their hyper schemes to only get richer, but out side of internet screaming, people dont really want to get out and massivly peacfully protest these scum... corporations can be brought to their knees,the masses of people just have to decide to not buy... look at the music industry, its been brought to its knees. not because people banned together to decide enough of ridiculas prices for a cd and mediocre music to pick from with stupid all encompassing corporate hype shoving bad artists down our throats for years...no, people found out how to get something for free and that is how they brought the music industry to its knees... people dont reaslly want to rebel against this, they want to be spoon fed by the corporation,if you cant get people to not buy mccdonalds, even with all the information on the table about how bad it is for your health, well there is the reality right there... people could be doing much more than tea parties to stop the bankers from making this happen... but i also see the sharia lawers and neo communists just doing all their nasty games at people expence to get some of that power also...and they play dirtiar...iran is executing people for just protesting, chavez is closing down tv stations , cuba food rations people and they can get any food from various places in the world... so i am looking for people to really rise up and show their anger at these hyper capatalist policies, it has never been more aperant and on the table than since bush brought the real mess out on us all...if they arnt going to really make a differance about that now, it may never happen, so i am just prepared to watch my back from everyone...i never was a gung ho american, fan of the cia and wars...but, i also like reality, and much of the information i have seen you bring in is not based on total fact at the risk of bringing dnb and jake mccran out of the woodwork,i absolutly dont beleive 9/11 was a conspiricy, it was done by islamist exremits, and islamic extremists have been responsible for most of the conflicts in the world in the last 60 years. they need to be totaly stood up to...but iraq was totaly unescasary and stupid and a blatent sighn of imperialism at its worst.... i still dont beleive the bases in colombia are being set to be sent into south america to be killing off people,unless chavez goes ape and starts conflict to try to retain the power that he is looking for...and you know, yes, if rougue elements in the world play dirty, the money people play dirty right back... maybe the usa is a hub of these world wide banker schemes, but it is not the only player in that game, they facilitate it , but its going on all over , it is bigger than countries...but again, people could really rise up against them non violently and make a differanc if they wanted to, they just dont want to.... joao, mst got busted today,i know you know,they should never have messeed with bndes hahahahahahaha - asp Fri, 29 Jan 2010 12:50:28 +0100 http://www.brazzil.com/home-mainmenu-1/212-january-2010/10345-haiti-is-giving-brazil-a-chance-to-prove-its-mettle-beyond-cheap-talk.html#comment-44045 [quote]but I know João is more knowledgeable in this area than he lets on, and probably with good reason[/quote] You betcha! Our buddy ASP too, though he is a bit less diplomatic than I am. Perhaps Lima doesn't read the national newspapers. [quote]how many investigations are stopped officially by the Brazilian courts?[/quote] I [i][b]underestimated[/b][/i] your capacity to read Portuguese, Dr.Cata. You must be talking about the famous gag order imposed by the court on "Estadão" on the case of the President of our senate. You must know that the censorship on that particular newspaper has completed 6 months. BTW, the last post of yours is very interesting. Your views coincide with the comments made by " Captnamerica" under the artice: [url]http://www.brazzil.com/component/content/article/212-january-2010/10347-one-year-is-gone-will-obama-still-deliver-on-latin-america-and-brazil.html[/url] [quote]All the death and destruction 'forced' upon the Iraqi people, from the US involvement in the Iran-Iraq War(providing Saddam with WMD) to the US-Iraq War(Iraqis and Americans will suffer for many years the effects of depleted uranium munitions) has not improved the lives of the average Iraqi, and this has been polled many times.[/quote] Well said. The puppet regime hanged Saddam Hussein in 2006 under GWB´s watch and their lives didn't improve and now it hanged "Chemical Ali" and PBO didn't intervene either. I don't think that it is going to better the lives of the Iraqis either. In your previous post, you had made a comment about Zelaya not being hanged. There is a difference between hanging Zelaya and those WOGs in the middle-east and I bet you know what it is.;):D Hopefully, you will join us in the other thread.;D - João da Silva Fri, 29 Jan 2010 11:13:35 +0100 http://www.brazzil.com/home-mainmenu-1/212-january-2010/10345-haiti-is-giving-brazil-a-chance-to-prove-its-mettle-beyond-cheap-talk.html#comment-44044 I will not give you the name of the reporter. How many reporters have been killed in Brazil last year for investigating official corruption? ...and don't stop there...how many investigations are stopped officially by the Brazilian courts? Perhaps my friend João da Silva can help you in this area, but perhaps in our 'free society' it would attract an unpleasant outcome to catalog the investigations and murders tied to official corruption. We must each calculate our own vulnerability when discussing information that is prohibited(much like in communist societies), but I know João is more knowledgeable in this area than he lets on, and probably with good reason ;) - Lloyd Cata Fri, 29 Jan 2010 10:24:03 +0100 http://www.brazzil.com/home-mainmenu-1/212-january-2010/10345-haiti-is-giving-brazil-a-chance-to-prove-its-mettle-beyond-cheap-talk.html#comment-44043 [b]-- asp-- i like freedom, in brazil or the usa, and im also aware im not really free in any country in the world...but i like the freedom i have in brazil and the usa much more than having a dictator wave his hands and have mandates that tells everyone what they have to do...north korrea, cuba, iran, venezuela,china,the taliban,no , i dont want any part of their domination of what the people have to think, do , eat,what doctor they have to see, what they can do on the internet, how they can protest, what music they can listen too, what women have to wear etc[/b] Well said. Yet do not make the mistake of thinking that those freedoms we enjoy do not have a price that impacts millions beyond our shores. Understand that the so-called 'just' society which we enjoy has been built through no less suffering and destruction than those of authoritarian regimes. It has been said that "a beneficial dictator is preferable to a corrupt democrat" and this is the question as Latin America transits a very critical stage in the development of the hemisphere. The capitalists will employ the same tools as the communists, and some worse, in their pursuit of greater wealth. They will do it under the disguise of freedom while disrupting entire societies to enhance their ability to profit. If there is no profit motive then they have no incentive to participate in anyones freedom or progress. Not even their own peoples. Given the events of 9/11 and the collapse of the US economy we can all see the result that the capitalists have completely subverted the US government. On the backs of the American people with a mountain of debt, borrowed from anyone who will lend, even those who are ideologically opposed to their freedoms. Do not ever believe that these capitalists, under the cloak of democracy and freedom, have anything else on their agenda but a profit, by any means necessary! Together with agents of the US government, which they will soon completely control, they are able arm themselves with the military capabilities necessary to capture foreign markets and resources. No matter that 'US combat forces' are leaving Iraq because the network of private armies and militias still maintain the commercial(oil) operations. The financiers and the 'guns for hire' effectively are the only winners in that war. The US government has borrowed a TRILLION dollars since 9/11 to finance the entire cost of an unnecessary war and each step along the way money has changed hands to the benefit of bankers, the military-industrial complex, and the growth of corporate armies. That is what fuels conspiracy theories that have yet to diminish and if anything have grown since the attacks in the US. All the death and destruction 'forced' upon the Iraqi people, from the US involvement in the Iran-Iraq War(providing Saddam with WMD) to the US-Iraq War(Iraqis and Americans will suffer for many years the effects of depleted uranium munitions) has not improved the lives of the average Iraqi, and this has been polled many times. So much for the humanity aspect. We understand, from the capitalist perspective, profits 'by any means necessary' is the 'prime directive' and humanity is not on the profit/loss ledger. In fact, they are no better than the communists, and in fact have a longer history of barbaric behaviour in search of profit. The Europeans and the British Commonwealth are still the major benefactors of African people and resources. They are about to get military reinforcements from the US with the recent creation of Africom(Africa Command) by the US military. We already know that Plan Columbia is directly tied to SoCom(Southern Command) as the military arm of the capitalist agenda to do to Latin America what the Europeans have done in Africa. They have no reason to believe they will fail in this because their allies such as Mr. Uribe and others in the region have been bought and paid for which is much less expensive than even considering how the Columbian people feel about becoming the staging area for the next 'capitalist great leap forward'. Make no mistake, they must have those assets of people and resources to continue their game, and they will corrupt or kill anyone who attempts to prevent them from getting what they now 'must' have to save their own economies. For them, that is the way to progress. Frankly, I do not find a great deal of difference from the communist approach except for the slick PR used to justify the rape and destruction of societies in the name of freedom. Enjoy your freedom, as I do mine, but don't ever think that it is not without cost to others, who continue to give their lives, property, and livelihoods so you can relax in the cabana with hot women and cold beer. - Lloyd Cata Fri, 29 Jan 2010 09:50:30 +0100 http://www.brazzil.com/home-mainmenu-1/212-january-2010/10345-haiti-is-giving-brazil-a-chance-to-prove-its-mettle-beyond-cheap-talk.html#comment-44035 it sais brazzil ...and i can tell you with all certainy that the coke and crack flooding into brazil has nothing to do with the cia...and it is having a horrible affect on society... the cia dealing more drugs than farc is debatable, all the info you have brought in is not fact...it is fact beira mar was caught with farc...and that farc had weapons sold to venezuela and huge information concerning chavez hook ups with farc on the computor found in the destroyed farc camp in equador..and proof farc takes refuge in venezuela... you say people are better off in cuba than in the usa....why would you live in the usa one day longer if that was true ?because you have the right to say anything you want i like freedom, in brazil or the usa, and im also aware im not really free in any country in the world...but i like the freedom i have in brazil and the usa much more than having a dictator wave his hands and have mandates that tells everyone what they have to do...north korrea, cuba, iran, venezuela,china,the taliban,no , i dont want any part of their domination of what the people have to think, do , eat,what doctor they have to see, what they can do on the internet, how they can protest, what music they can listen too, what women have to wear etc - asp Fri, 29 Jan 2010 02:55:19 +0100 http://www.brazzil.com/home-mainmenu-1/212-january-2010/10345-haiti-is-giving-brazil-a-chance-to-prove-its-mettle-beyond-cheap-talk.html#comment-44034 [quote]Lula seems to have forgotten how it was to live under such authoritarian rule. [/quote] When and where did he live under such rule,Cap´n? - João da Silva Fri, 29 Jan 2010 01:02:02 +0100 http://www.brazzil.com/home-mainmenu-1/212-january-2010/10345-haiti-is-giving-brazil-a-chance-to-prove-its-mettle-beyond-cheap-talk.html#comment-44031 1) Haiti is a "failed state" due primarily to direct US intervention and support for oppressive regimes in that nation. It is time for that to end. 2) The CIA has profited more from drug trafficking, and not just monetarily, throughout the hemisphere and the world than the FARC. This has been going on since Vietnam, was verified during Iran-Contra, and continues in Afghanistan with direct links to Mr. Karzai's brother, who is employed by the agency. 3) The situation in Honduras is settled for the present and near future with the ruling oligarchy back in control of the government and the streets. There are several things that were 'learned' from this episode; (a) The constitution and legal system of Honduras has been made public to all the world. It could have been used legitimately to remove Mr. Zelaya from office, but instead he was summarily removed by the military and put into exile. The only reason he was not executed was the sensitivity of the US to the image throughout the region, given the ouster of Mr. Aristide under similar circumstances. (b) During the crisis many foreign diplomatic, government, and commercial interests became directly involved in the crisis. Some in support of Mr. Zelaya and some against. (I do not list them here as it is expected that everyone can readily access this information). However, it is quite clear that the majority of Latin American governments supported Mr. Zelayas reinstatement, and it is equally clear that a coalition of US government and commercial interests were actively involved in the ouster of Mr. Zelaya. The US governments 'official' position was to respect Honduran sovereignty while at the same time doing nothing to restore the legitimate government. There was communication between Mr. Obama and Mr. Lula to the effect of settling the issue within the region. At the same time Mr. Obama did nothing to discourage the US government and commercial entities from bolstering the illegitimate Honduran leaders. This is all documented by the statements and travels of several senior US congressional members and the corporations with interests in Honduras. It is the exposure of the direct US involvement and the people involved that is of primary interest for the future. Latin America will see these same people again under similar circumstances. (4) The seven Columbian bases are being organized with the intent to train and equip mercenaries of different nationalities throughout the region,to include European partners, and the Israelis. The requirement for seven distinct sites was to cloak from certain groups the activities of the other groups. It is quite understandable that the Israelis do not want to mingle with the French and British, just as the Colombians and Venezuelans would be operationally seperated from the Brazilians and Argentinians, as is the case with the Chileans and the Peruvians. The requirement for this operation could not be carried out in the US for 2 reasons; proximity to targets and operational security. These 'black ops' and their operators could not be directly associated with 'official' government sanctions. In fact, some of these operators would be denied entry into the US for past activities and if found in the US would compromise the military agenda for Plan Columbia. [b] "There is profit in chaos". It is not necessary to invade a nation to bring down a government and subjugate its people. There has not been an invasion in Africa for many years yet the constant chaos throughout the continent keeps the people in turmoil and allows the resources to be extracted with minimal casualties even under the worst regimes or human circumstances. That is the model for 21st Century capitalism. It has worked for the last 6 centuries and there is no reason that it should not continue to work. It is on that basis that the US economy is being revitalized under the same structures without significant change.[/b] - Lloyd Cata Thu, 28 Jan 2010 20:46:19 +0100 http://www.brazzil.com/home-mainmenu-1/212-january-2010/10345-haiti-is-giving-brazil-a-chance-to-prove-its-mettle-beyond-cheap-talk.html#comment-44028 From inside of Venezuela. I don't think he should be so much focused on the bases in Columbia as he should be with stabilizing his own country. This friend of Lula's will stop at nothing to remain in control. Lula seems to have forgotten how it was to live under such authoritarian rule. [quote]Venezuelan Protests: Police Fire Tear Gas At Anti-Chavez Protesters Chavez accused students of trying to stir up violence as a means of destabilizing his government. "There are some attempting to set fire to the country," Chavez said in a televised address Thursday. "What are they seeking? Death." He said unidentified assailants armed with assault rifles shot at National Guard troops Wednesday in the city of Merida, where two soldiers suffered gunshot wounds. A military barracks in the city of Barquisimeto was also attacked, he said. Chavez vowed to crack down on street demonstrations that turn violent. "We cannot permit this," he said. "The state and the government must impose authority." Two youths were killed in Merida on Monday – a day after the protests began. Dozens of people have been injured during the week's demonstrations.[/quote] - Capnamerca Thu, 28 Jan 2010 17:54:42 +0100 http://www.brazzil.com/home-mainmenu-1/212-january-2010/10345-haiti-is-giving-brazil-a-chance-to-prove-its-mettle-beyond-cheap-talk.html#comment-44022 [quote]I am ok with this for now because what Mr. Zelaya accomplished was to expose the tentacles of imperialism reaching out from Washington. That for me is his legacy. He has exposed the corruption and I hope he continues in this work.[/quote] No Dr.Cata, I am afraid you were not following up this "Incident" closely. Mr.Zelaya tried to change the Constitution of Honduras to get himself reelected and the Judiciary and Legislative branches of that country removed him power. Fine, they overdid it by ordering the Army to wake him up in the middle of the night, put him on board a plane and banish his out of the country. They could have kept him in the country and put him on trial. The result was a big commotion from [i][b]all[/b][/i] the members of OAS, including from PBO and HC who considered it as a coup and hence unacceptable. The interim government did not want Zelaya back and HC changed her mind (probably, because of the pressure from the Ex-pat Hondurans there). We didn't take the cue and insisted that Mr.Z be brought back to Honduras.There comes the Modern Bolivar giving advice to Mr.Z to come back to Tegucigalpa (with his help) and feel free to get into our embassy, where he still remains. Of course, during your absence from this blog, I got lots of criticisms from various people for saying that it was not a coup, but the impeachment of the President of Honduras. Contrary to what happened in Honduras, Venezuelan and Bolivian Congress and the Judiciary branch seem to be happy [i][b]not[/b][/i] to question the aspirations of their respective Presidents to remain in power eternally. [quote]It is dangerous without a doubt for him wherever he goes because he knows the truth and truth-tellers are generally murdered for the truth,[/quote] I doubt his life is in danger. He is supposed to go spend a few weeks in Dominican Republic and Mexico and quite likely to move to Brasil. Once he is here, he is among his "amigos"! BTW, I noticed that you are very fond of Latin American "Caudilhos". I bet you were a great fan of Peron too.;) - João da Silva Thu, 28 Jan 2010 15:34:45 +0100 http://www.brazzil.com/home-mainmenu-1/212-january-2010/10345-haiti-is-giving-brazil-a-chance-to-prove-its-mettle-beyond-cheap-talk.html#comment-44020 [quote]That for me is his legacy. He has exposed the corruption and I hope he continues in this work. It is dangerous without a doubt for him wherever he goes because he knows the truth and truth-tellers are generally murdered for the truth, just as the reporter investigating the Brazilian corruption was killed recently and there will never be the shame among Brasileiros that this man died for the truth. It is sadly too common.[/quote] What's the name of the reporter?? - Lima Thu, 28 Jan 2010 14:05:42 +0100 http://www.brazzil.com/home-mainmenu-1/212-january-2010/10345-haiti-is-giving-brazil-a-chance-to-prove-its-mettle-beyond-cheap-talk.html#comment-44019 take out the "for" read " the usa will do whatever it can..." and thanks joao for supporting my post - asp Thu, 28 Jan 2010 14:00:07 +0100 http://www.brazzil.com/home-mainmenu-1/212-january-2010/10345-haiti-is-giving-brazil-a-chance-to-prove-its-mettle-beyond-cheap-talk.html#comment-44018 if armed conflict ever does break out between chavez and colombia, for the usa will do it can to get troops from south america to fight the war and support their side from a distance.... but i dont beleive they will start that conflict...i just dont see the usa as activly going about to promote war down here isnpite of its history and what is happening in iraq now....i do see them looking out for their interests. and trying to make allies ...with the cold war caveatt always lurking in the back ground no matter what if sarah palin gets elected it might be a differant story ... - asp Thu, 28 Jan 2010 13:57:18 +0100 http://www.brazzil.com/home-mainmenu-1/212-january-2010/10345-haiti-is-giving-brazil-a-chance-to-prove-its-mettle-beyond-cheap-talk.html#comment-44017 first of all, i never said the cia hadnt dealt drugs...but this guys claims have a lot of loose change floating around, like trying to put blame on america for turning down missles that then got to bin laden...ill do some reseach on rodney stich...remember, beira mar was caught directly with the farc, its not a rumor or fabrication, its fact, and this guy is making a lot of claims that arnt proven true ... mercanaries in iraq ? im not surpresed , and that even latin american countries are some of the places people are getting hired...its obvious to anyone that privat secruity on all levals is a fact of life what i maintain is that there is no plans on the table to invade brazil and many other countries...there is serious reason to be vigilant that a guy like chavez could go wild and do something stupid to retain his paower....that could be a real scenario and, i never supported the usa war on drugs, i think it always has been one of the biggest hypocracies on the planet...ive always known this was dirty... but all of that has nothing to do with the route that has been heavily opened from colombia, bolivia, paraguay and venezuela ,coming through brazil heading for europe...it has turned brazil into a much more violent country in the last 8 years, and has wrecked havoc on innocent peoples lives....and people being alarmed by some pending usa invasion and not paying attention to the reality of what is happening in thier every day lives is where i see the hypocracy - asp Thu, 28 Jan 2010 13:40:35 +0100