Comments for For Brazil Olympics Will Be a Brief Distraction. The Crooks Will Never Leave at http://www.brazzil.com , comment 1 to 54 out of 20 comments http://www.brazzil.com Sun, 15 Sep 2013 06:52:02 +0100 FeedCreator 1.7.3 http://www.brazzil.com/home-mainmenu-1/209-october-2009/10273-for-brazil-olympics-will-be-a-brief-distraction-the-crooks-will-never-leave.html#comment-42188 Well written article....its all so true. Brazil has a damn long way to go. Did someone mention that the Pan american games were several times overbudget and rife with corruption......Same steaming pile of shite..... :D - Joao Neguinho Wed, 11 Nov 2009 02:32:33 +0100 http://www.brazzil.com/home-mainmenu-1/209-october-2009/10273-for-brazil-olympics-will-be-a-brief-distraction-the-crooks-will-never-leave.html#comment-41776 After the "incident" in Rio yesterday, it is so obvious that the writer of this article Ms.King is quite prophetic. Hope she doesn't say "I told you so" in 2016. :D - João da Silva Sun, 18 Oct 2009 10:11:23 +0100 http://www.brazzil.com/home-mainmenu-1/209-october-2009/10273-for-brazil-olympics-will-be-a-brief-distraction-the-crooks-will-never-leave.html#comment-41712 wow...i seem to remember you as the guy who brought in the statistic that 90 percent of afro brazilian women were sterilised by some henry kissenger final solution plan... i have to keep my eye on you... - asp Thu, 15 Oct 2009 16:20:22 +0100 http://www.brazzil.com/home-mainmenu-1/209-october-2009/10273-for-brazil-olympics-will-be-a-brief-distraction-the-crooks-will-never-leave.html#comment-41701 I notice you've stopped talking about color and race as causally relevant. :) - Brazuca Thu, 15 Oct 2009 08:59:54 +0100 http://www.brazzil.com/home-mainmenu-1/209-october-2009/10273-for-brazil-olympics-will-be-a-brief-distraction-the-crooks-will-never-leave.html#comment-41669 how did they get this 20 percent ? are you saying the government gave them 20 percent, or 20 percent of college students at this place you are talking about are japa ? and,i dont see any problem.....i just said the people who are on the lowest stratasphere of society should have some kind of safty net to keep them in school and some kind of scholorships that would give those that really want it and show scholastic aptitude a chance i havent put it into quotas or percentages, it could be scholorships and just plain up keep and attention to all the schools in the peripheries that have such poor conditions now. what young people are going to have incentive if the schools on the fundimental levals are not up graded and with oportunities for the students that really want it... - asp Tue, 13 Oct 2009 19:53:51 +0100 http://www.brazzil.com/home-mainmenu-1/209-october-2009/10273-for-brazil-olympics-will-be-a-brief-distraction-the-crooks-will-never-leave.html#comment-41668 [quote]So would should be done about the unfair situation with the japas? [/quote] We could set up a concentration camp for them. ;) :D - João da Silva Tue, 13 Oct 2009 19:09:57 +0100 http://www.brazzil.com/home-mainmenu-1/209-october-2009/10273-for-brazil-olympics-will-be-a-brief-distraction-the-crooks-will-never-leave.html#comment-41666 So would should be done about the unfair situation with the [i]japas[/i]? - Brazuca Tue, 13 Oct 2009 17:46:11 +0100 http://www.brazzil.com/home-mainmenu-1/209-october-2009/10273-for-brazil-olympics-will-be-a-brief-distraction-the-crooks-will-never-leave.html#comment-41657 have you ever seen carnival ? you do know that the afro brazilians you saw represent where the samba comes from, the afro brazilian comunity, he favelas. they are the roots and the people who pay attention to sambao and carnival year round, the ones who really live it but when they go down the avenue, most of the aulas and floats are jam packed with brazilian white people, who come in at the last minute , cant sing the song of the escola and cant dance the samba the escolas, as far as the madrinas de bateria , start using white models and actresses to represent them instead of the incredibly talented dancers from the comunity, and the tv coverage does very little coverage of the real dancing passistas who are the balarinas of brazil on the leval of any ballet dancer in the world as far as ability to dance an incredibly hard and sensual dance the samba you made a snap judgement but you didnt really do any research, and now im starting to get where you are coming from , which sounds like the disgruntled white man at the fact that people who have been discriminated for several hundred years deserve some breaks in society. i dont get people like you you want to see brazilian whites in cultural action in brazil ? come down to october fest in santa catarina...its way too boring for me i avoid it like the plaugue - asp Tue, 13 Oct 2009 06:11:56 +0100 http://www.brazzil.com/home-mainmenu-1/209-october-2009/10273-for-brazil-olympics-will-be-a-brief-distraction-the-crooks-will-never-leave.html#comment-41654 [i]if things were equal in brazil, the doctors, lawyers, polititions, tv actors and news people, the top artists in the music industry, the ceos would have the same general apearance as the selecao brasileiro...[/i] Things are definitely unequal at USP, with a mere 1% of the population ([i]japas[/i]) making up disproportionate and unrepresentative 20% of its students. If some form of discrimination or exclusion isn't the explanation for this phenomenon, then what is? Why aren't other descent groups in Brazil represented proportionately at USP? I noticed the other day on RioJota coverage of samba preperations for Carnival already under way. Pretty much all the dancers and musicians were "black" or mulatto. How come the other appearances of Brazil were not represented in this important, globally recognized cultural expression? What do you think ought to be done to address the exclusion and marginalization of Brazilians of Japanese, German, Lebanese, Spanish, etc. in the important Brazilian cultural expression of Samba? Should there be quotas for whites in Samba dancing and singing, as the event during Carnival is currently unfairly dominated by darker skin types? - Brazuca Mon, 12 Oct 2009 21:36:06 +0100 http://www.brazzil.com/home-mainmenu-1/209-october-2009/10273-for-brazil-olympics-will-be-a-brief-distraction-the-crooks-will-never-leave.html#comment-41649 sorry , i cant quite get what you mean... its sort of the definition of discriminee or discriminator... im not sure if you mean the japanese are being discriminated or are doing the descriminating...who gives them this 20 percent entry into the colleges ? are you saying the government reserves them the 20 percent or 20 percent get into the colleges just on their own ? i sure dont say take away any of the japanese who are qualified to get in there for someone else...what i would like to see is just basic support for the people in the poorest neighborhoods , from making sure the facilities and teachers are on the same leval as anywhere else in brazil....and having scholorships and incentives for the people in the poorest neihborhoods...they deserve extra attention because of the lack of it in the past, same with the american schools...i get uptight with white males who think they are getting some kind of punishment or bad treatment to try to get people, who were puposfully excluded out of society for so long , some extra breaks now... if things were equal in brazil, the doctors, lawyers, polititions, tv actors and news people, the top artists in the music industry, the ceos would have the same general apearance as the selecao brasileiro , and not the team with zico, socrates, falcao, that didnt win the world cup but was labled as "mas jogo bonito...", it would be the modern teams since romario. that is the basic look of brazilians if you got a cross cestion of the country - asp Mon, 12 Oct 2009 13:25:08 +0100 http://www.brazzil.com/home-mainmenu-1/209-october-2009/10273-for-brazil-olympics-will-be-a-brief-distraction-the-crooks-will-never-leave.html#comment-41644 Since the [i]japas [/i]are by far the most discriminatory people in Brazil, demonstrated by their ridiculous over-representation at USP, efforts to correct Brazil's racial inequality ought to begin with the [i]japas[/i]. After all, it stands to reason that you concentrate your efforts and resources where they're most needed. First start with the [i]japas [/i]before you move on to the whites, who can't hold a candle to the [i]japas[/i]. That is, first start with the most extreme discriminators and then move on to the lesser discriminators. - Brazuca Sun, 11 Oct 2009 21:01:04 +0100 http://www.brazzil.com/home-mainmenu-1/209-october-2009/10273-for-brazil-olympics-will-be-a-brief-distraction-the-crooks-will-never-leave.html#comment-41630 [quote]but i have a feeling you have an answer so go ahead and state it... [/quote] I am standing by to read the answer of our Ozzie friend. ;) - João da Silva Sun, 11 Oct 2009 09:33:21 +0100 http://www.brazzil.com/home-mainmenu-1/209-october-2009/10273-for-brazil-olympics-will-be-a-brief-distraction-the-crooks-will-never-leave.html#comment-41623 i cant seem to come up with the answer you are looking for, as i said i know more about the afro brazilian situation... but i have a feeling you have an answer so go ahead and state it... - asp Sat, 10 Oct 2009 23:07:46 +0100 http://www.brazzil.com/home-mainmenu-1/209-october-2009/10273-for-brazil-olympics-will-be-a-brief-distraction-the-crooks-will-never-leave.html#comment-41621 [i]and the japanese immigrants didnt go through anything compared to that [/i] Did the German immigrants? The Portuguese immigrants? The Lebanese immigrants? The Spanish Immigrants? The Italian Immigrants? Whom are the Japanese excluding to make up a very disproportionate 20% of USP students? - Brazuca Sat, 10 Oct 2009 22:31:06 +0100 http://www.brazzil.com/home-mainmenu-1/209-october-2009/10273-for-brazil-olympics-will-be-a-brief-distraction-the-crooks-will-never-leave.html#comment-41609 are you implying that if everyone aplied themselves like the japas then they would get ahead ? i dont think it works that way. i see an underworld world existing based on exclusion . and it is overwelmingly afro brazilian or mixed race with afto brazilian. and , the traces of the problems of slavery and the end of slavery are the fonte of this underworld . the reasons are obvous to me. as i said, slavery ripped families apart...stamped on education...stamped on culture...excluded people from any economic participation except the dregs of societies jobs... i dont know how much more devastating you can get than that for trying to destroy the will of a people, but, you just dont recuperate the next day from being freed, the effects can easily be seen to this day and the japanese immigrants didnt go through anything compared to that - asp Sat, 10 Oct 2009 16:08:14 +0100 http://www.brazzil.com/home-mainmenu-1/209-october-2009/10273-for-brazil-olympics-will-be-a-brief-distraction-the-crooks-will-never-leave.html#comment-41605 asp, I'm trying to get you to think carefully about the causative factors one may assign to explain social phenomena. If discrimination and oppression are the only expressions for differences in class amongst social groups, then does discrimination and oppression explain the over-representation of [i]japas [/i]in USP? If so, whom are the [i]japas [/i]discriminating against? If the [i]japas [/i]are more represented than the Brazilians of Portuguese descent, does that mean the [i]japas [/i]must be discriminating against Brazilians of Portuguese descent? What about if it's higher than those of German descent -- veritable whites -- as I think it is? Does that mean there are proportionately more [i]japas[/i] in USP than Brazilians of German descent because the japas oppress and discriminate against Brazilians of German descent? If discrimination and oppression aren't the explanations for the unequal representation of [i]japas [/i]in USP, that what are? And if there is another explanation, then could this explanation also apply to the inequality you generally see in Brazil? If we can answer the question to do with the [i]japas[/i], then I believe we can go a long way toward explaining the social inequality in Brazil. - Brazuca Sat, 10 Oct 2009 13:01:23 +0100 http://www.brazzil.com/home-mainmenu-1/209-october-2009/10273-for-brazil-olympics-will-be-a-brief-distraction-the-crooks-will-never-leave.html#comment-41603 for sure i cant answer that in general. i am much more aware of the afro braziliand situation since the afro brazilian culture is what attracts me to brazil the most. the rythms, the dances , the food,etc there for it was more clear to me why the afro brazilians have huge obsticles to overcome if the japanese brazilians have 20 percent in the colleges, it doesnt play out in regular life like doctors ,lawyers, polititions etc - asp Sat, 10 Oct 2009 12:39:42 +0100 http://www.brazzil.com/home-mainmenu-1/209-october-2009/10273-for-brazil-olympics-will-be-a-brief-distraction-the-crooks-will-never-leave.html#comment-41586 Joao, yes, I read this in the news. I wasn't surprised. There seems to be no systematic incentive to develop knowledge-based activities in Brazil. - jakob Fri, 09 Oct 2009 20:36:57 +0100 http://www.brazzil.com/home-mainmenu-1/209-october-2009/10273-for-brazil-olympics-will-be-a-brief-distraction-the-crooks-will-never-leave.html#comment-41583 [quote]asp, you still don't explain how the Japanese can constitute 1% of the population and yet about 20% of those at USP [/quote] Mate, USP is no big deal with all these UNE folks destroying the state properties. Look at ITA. And never ever forget that our Air Force boss graduated from there also. Of course, I am not belittling another great Brasilian aviator who has the same last name of my excellent self (He is not related to our Commander-in-Chief, either). ;) :D ;D - João da Silva Fri, 09 Oct 2009 20:07:00 +0100 http://www.brazzil.com/home-mainmenu-1/209-october-2009/10273-for-brazil-olympics-will-be-a-brief-distraction-the-crooks-will-never-leave.html#comment-41582 asp, you still don't explain how the Japanese can constitute 1% of the population and yet about 20% of those at USP. Are the [i]japas [/i]the only ones who came to Brazil voluntarily? Their representation in USP is disproportionate, to say the least. It's much higher than those of Portuguese descent, those of German descent, those of Italian descent, those of Arab descent -- all of whose ancestors came to Brazil voluntarily and who had intact family and whatever explanation to you gave to explain the DISPROPORTIONATE representation of [i]japas [/i]in USP. - Brazuca Fri, 09 Oct 2009 19:28:20 +0100