Comments for Brazil Wants to Ban Mulattos and Give Blacks an ID. They Call This Progress at http://www.brazzil.com , comment 1 to 189 out of 20 comments http://www.brazzil.com Thu, 08 Jan 2009 13:44:06 +0100 FeedCreator 1.7.3 http://www.brazzil.com/home-mainmenu-1/169-july-2006/9656.html#comment-37689 one question. why mulattos are called black and it seems ok while their are descendent of white too?! That means that thei can be "called" white's too?! their are mullatos, black white=/=black/white because its a misture of races. change "ur" mindes, i think that giving some one a race its racist, everyone is what he is. - Elio Thu, 13 Nov 2008 12:48:30 +0100 http://www.brazzil.com/home-mainmenu-1/169-july-2006/9656.html#comment-32381 FUCK THOSE MURDERING NEANDERTHALS! - HITLER PILGRIM Sun, 09 Dec 2007 05:43:45 +0100 http://www.brazzil.com/home-mainmenu-1/169-july-2006/9656.html#comment-24948 people running brazil are stupid to that naming ur race on a pieve of paper thats retarded whats wrong with the world its like were going backwards each day and year not forward i am a dark skin from the caribbeans that lives in canada i do not think your govenment should do it brazil and the rest of latin countries that means the french ones to should not take an easy way out they should show people how multiracial country can be instead of labeling someone i have a qustion also what about the people in you country that are very multi mix that have 1/8 black in them and same with the dark skin people what the hell are they going to call them i have friends that pass for white they look nothing mixs some have blond hair blue eyes and they have black in them or other race people need to get it together we lived in a world where every race fucks another making kids and familie many people can pass for soo many other races like my friends what are they supposed to call themselves one race only like in north america anyone who has one drop african blood is labled black and same with our first nations most of them don't even look black what your people just state the facts people are getting married out of they race all the time to people that have many other race in them give me a break thats stupid what your govenment is doing just like canada with the first nations and the usa with blacks and natives people can't lable someone of many backgrounds whos to say what people are. i read about brazils history etc don't majoirty of your govenments have black or native blood in them but they look white common people get real i can't belive people are like this i hate being labled am black thats why i do that blacks can dance sing and can do everything thats shit everyone is equal stop making each other turned against each other i say noo to your govenment as a black person am sick of the american well north american way of putting everyone thats has one race in a box people that am friends with have many race in them and some are pround of what they are and others aren't thats another issue please don't let someone choose your childrens future dr king would not want what the blacks are doing and alos other races that are puttin themselves into a box i guess most ppl did not learn from dr king his way was good unite every race together don't seperate ppl that creats problems for the future lol thats all i have so say don't let your govenement but your ppl into a box thanx - janessa1 Thu, 15 Mar 2007 23:36:37 +0100 http://www.brazzil.com/home-mainmenu-1/169-july-2006/9656.html#comment-20890 Why don't you Brazilians take advantage of the fact that your congress has the issue of "balancing the power" question on the table --that is, since your population is said to be 45% mixed racial ancestry shouldn't you have 45% of your civil trial court judges be of mixed racial ancestry? The power of who has civil rights and who hasn’t civil rights is enforced by the civil trial court judges: This is the guy/gal who has the power to throw your case out of court or allow you to proceed to trial on the merits. The civil trial court judge's position is the “position of power” that the mixed race Brazilians should be after --that is, if you don't want to be discriminated against or eliminated altogether. This way you aren’t denied your civil rights by Black judges or White judges (American standard of White “one drop” rule); you need judges of your own to prevent your cases from being thrown out of court when you have been wrong and the evidence shows it to be so or when you need your civil rights enforced because you have been discriminated against.... Taken from another blog from this site and repeated here: Brazilian friends, what you are really missing in the comments from the United States are the central point: "the extinction of the mulato". The Black American posters here don't particularly like that in your country people of mixed racial ancestry can gain positions of power such as your two terms President Fernando Enrique Cardoza; who openly admits that he has a black ancestor and was still elected president of Brazil twice (2000-2008) in spite of having a black ancestor. This would never happen in the United States: a person of mixed racial ancestry becomes president of the country --particularly where the "white" phenotype is apparent such as in the case of President Fernando Enrique Cardoza. Brazilian friends, you really don't appreciate North American hatred: "the extinction of the mulato ". It is your policy of protecting and allowing mulatos or near whites to advance that is at the heart of their issues with Brazil: They hate your mulatos and near whites, which make up about 70% of your 185 million Brazilians. With this you should have some insight into Mark Wells comment:” the extinction of the mulato". This is what they are really after, and why the "black" activist forces her mulato child to identify as "black". Here's some advice: make shore you continue to have in brazil mulato's and near whites in “positions of power”: president, judges, and all professions for without them you have no civil rights --and that's the point. Brazil is referred to as the “mulato escape hatch”, because in your country “mulatos” are not shutout of society the way they are in the United States. Those who seek to deny you your identity would not want their own identity denied them. What they don’t want is you to exist at all; they want you eliminated or reduced to someone with no political identity and by defacto no political standing or rights to accompany a political standing. Ask them to give up their racial identity and any political or affirmative action that would benefit them in mass, and observe whether or not they give up their racial identity the way they won’t you to give up yours. Remember President Fernando Enrique Cardoza famous quote: “I have a foot in the kitchen” referring to scant Negro ancestry? - Insight Sat, 27 Jan 2007 20:54:57 +0100 http://www.brazzil.com/home-mainmenu-1/169-july-2006/9656.html#comment-20883 Why don't you Brazilians take advantage of the fact that your congress has the issue of "balancing the power" question on the table --that is, since your population is said to be 45% mixed racial ancestry shouldn't you have 45% of your civil trial court judges be of mixed racial ancestry? The power of who has civil rights and who has not civil rights is enforced by the trial judges. That's the position of power that the mixed race Brazilians should be after --that is, if you don't want to be discriminated against or eliminated altogether. This way you are not denied your civil rights by Black judges or white judges; you need judges of your own to prevent your cases from being thrown out of court when you have been wrong and the evidence shows it to be so.... Taken from another blog from this site and repeated here: Brazilian friends, what you are really missing in the comments from the United States is the central point: "the extinction of the mulato ". The Black American posters here don't particulary like that in your country people of mixed racial ansestry can gain postions of power such as your two term president Fernando Enrique Cardoza who openly admits that he has a black ancestor and was still elected president of Brazil twice (200-200 --insipte of having a black ancestor. This would never happen in the United States: a person of mixed racial ancestry becoming president of the country --particulary where the "white" phenotype is appareant such as in the case of president Fernando Enrique Cardoza. Brazilian friends, you really don't appreciate North American hatred: "the extinction of the mulato ". It is your policy of protecting and allowing mulatos or near whites to advance that is at the heart of their issues with Brazil: They hate your mulatos and near whites, which make up about 70% of your 185 million Brazilions. With this you should have some insight into Mark Wells comment:"the extinction of the mulato ". This is what they are really after, and why the "black" activist forces her mulato child to identify as "black". Here's some advice: make shore you continue to have in brazil mulato's and near whites in postions of power: president, judges, and all professions for without them you have no civil rights --and that's the point. - Insight Sat, 27 Jan 2007 20:11:20 +0100 http://www.brazzil.com/home-mainmenu-1/169-july-2006/9656.html#comment-19721 Thing that gets me is how many people say no, but when you look at the whole picture it states other wise. Most of the poor in your countries are black why is that? If everyone is equal?. In your own language you have words to separate blacks from everyone else. Black in you country don't want to be black, why is that?. Here in america be black be proud, but we are still american. Here if they won't let us in their schools we build our own what is wrong with that. We get ours no matter what anyone else says. If your system dose not work for you change it. That is what Afro Americans are doing, we are proud of our heritage because it is something to be proud of. We are not submitting and people don't like this I wonder why?. The only people who worry about our progress are the ones who are helping and the one who don't want to see it happen. If you are not of african decent you should not worry about what is happening. The world is not going to except us for what we are, but we don't need them to. When need to worry about ourselves and our future generations. You can either join us or get the hell out of the way!!! - Alicia Wed, 27 Dec 2006 20:25:45 +0100 http://www.brazzil.com/home-mainmenu-1/169-july-2006/9656.html#comment-19200 IF THEY BAN MULATOS AND BLACK THEY WILL HAVE TO BAD 89 PERCENT OF THIER POPULATION WHY THEY RECENT LY DID DNA STUDY PROVEN THAT AT LEAST 89 PERCENT OF ALL BRAZILIANS HAVE 2 TO 11 AFRICAN ANCESTORS AND THEY CHECK THE DNA OF BLONDE HAIR BRAZILIANS I THINK THICK WAS ABOUT 600 PEOPLE.. AND THIS IS WHAT THEY FOUND - CARLO ROLANDO Mon, 11 Dec 2006 12:25:54 +0100 http://www.brazzil.com/home-mainmenu-1/169-july-2006/9656.html#comment-18266 Interesting fraudulent pos in the comment sectiont. It seems that someone is very hostile to mulatto identity as an option, and they've taken to weirdly impersonating me and distorting my views and narrative. The fraudulent post is quoted below: "Mulatto.org is not "racist" but, yes, we have racists on our website written by Dave, 2006-07-23 18:23:45 I strongly disagree with "Afrobrazilian." Yes, mulatto.org has its fair share of racist members, but that doesn't mean everyone at our forum is racist. There is space for everyone at our site. We try to see all view points. If you have a positive black identity, then we'd like to hear from you. Yes even racists, be they mulatto racists, are welcome at our site. Everyone is racist. I could be "considered" racist against blacks (or whites) but hey, my current girlfriend is full black. So, it really matters what perspective you see things through. Visit mulatto.org - Everyone is welcome. " - Dave Fri, 20 Oct 2006 14:46:16 +0100 http://www.brazzil.com/home-mainmenu-1/169-july-2006/9656.html#comment-18002 How is discrimination worse in Brazil? - Abriu (Aprelle) Fri, 15 Sep 2006 21:51:34 +0100 http://www.brazzil.com/home-mainmenu-1/169-july-2006/9656.html#comment-17997 [i]"Even though blacks in the United States have been subject to far more discrimination than blacks in Brazil, the black-white difference in income is greater in Brazil. This would be inexplicable if discrimination were the overwhelming factor that it is claimed to be. But such differences are readily explainable in terms of the different cultural histories of blacks in the two countries. If discrimination were the key factor, then blacks in the United States would be among the poorest blacks in the hemisphere and blacks in Haiti would be the most prosperous, since Haitians have been free of white rule for two centuries. Yet it is Haitian blacks who are the poorest in the hemisphere and American blacks who are the most prosperous in world."[/i] Thomas Sowell is so dumb. Brazilian discrimination against blacks has always been far worse than anything in the States. It simply is less obvious....hence, more successful. This has been discussed repeatedly in many a forum. As for Haiti, the West has maintained various economic blockades against it for centuries; on top of that, the French never REALLY left Haiti--they quietly left their mulattos in charge of the country. - Lord Invader Thu, 14 Sep 2006 14:55:33 +0100 http://www.brazzil.com/home-mainmenu-1/169-july-2006/9656.html#comment-17985 Here is another article about culture: "Even though blacks in the United States have been subject to far more discrimination than blacks in Brazil, the black-white difference in income is greater in Brazil. This would be inexplicable if discrimination were the overwhelming factor that it is claimed to be. But such differences are readily explainable in terms of the different cultural histories of blacks in the two countries. If discrimination were the key factor, then blacks in the United States would be among the poorest blacks in the hemisphere and blacks in Haiti would be the most prosperous, since Haitians have been free of white rule for two centuries. Yet it is Haitian blacks who are the poorest in the hemisphere and American blacks who are the most prosperous in world." Thomas Sowell: http://www.jewishworldreview.com/cols/sowell071498.html - Abriu (Aprelle) Sun, 10 Sep 2006 23:14:55 +0100 http://www.brazzil.com/home-mainmenu-1/169-july-2006/9656.html#comment-17969 Since when has Brazil 5,6 % of Blacks ?????? Are you referring only to your securitized community in SP where domestics, nurses are blacks ?????? Shameful your desire to minimize the simple truth as to the race mix of Brazilian society !!!!!!! Was your father or grand father a German Nazi who escaped to Brazil to avoid jail for the attrocities commited during W.W.II ??????? http://biblia.nalewka.info - Biblia Sun, 10 Sep 2006 04:01:14 +0100 http://www.brazzil.com/home-mainmenu-1/169-july-2006/9656.html#comment-17965 Argumentum ad Hitlerum. That\'s a logical fallacy where an argument is deemed untrue simple because it leads to dangerous consequences. Interesting you mentioned Ibos, Chinese, and Kikuyus, because they are also entrepreneurial groups, along wth the Lebanese and Palestinians. Stereotypes don\'t ascribe this to nature, but to culture. I\'m curious though. What\'s the story behind blaming women for male violence and what did this have to do with the rhythmic culture? Brazuca, you should read this article. He says there\'s no racism in Brazil only performance differences and classism. He cites Thomas Sowell later: http://www.mundonegro.com.br/forum/read.php?f=14&i=810&t=810 Brazuca do you think there\'s a lot of racism in the United States or do you think it\'s the same as Brazil? And out of curiousity what do YOU do for a living? - Abriu (Aprelle) Sat, 09 Sep 2006 19:55:27 +0100 http://www.brazzil.com/home-mainmenu-1/169-july-2006/9656.html#comment-17952 I say it\'s character what does it! :D - Brazuca Sat, 09 Sep 2006 02:44:08 +0100 http://www.brazzil.com/home-mainmenu-1/169-july-2006/9656.html#comment-17950 Aprelle - you should be careful with any defense of stereotypes. While there is such a thing as \'good\' stereotypes, ALL stereotypes generally SIMPLIFY a very complicated and complex thing such as a group of human beings. They support racism by ascribing to \'nature\' aspects of a society that usually are (and Brazuca will love this), cultural and environmental. Jews are no more entrepreneurial than Ibos or southern African-Americans or Gikuyus or Chinese. There is a circumstance that fuels the entrepreneur. (I\'ll let you guess what that is). None of it has anything to do with that people as a group. Jews were killed in Germany because the \'entrepreneur\' stereotype you use was stereotyped as \'bloodsuckers\'. African-American so-called rhythms was used by a Harvard sociologist in the early 20th century to blame black women for the violence of black men. Indians were refused jobs in American films because they did not look like \'real\' Indians - as portrayed on the face of the United States nickel coin. In Liberia indigenous Liberians were portrayed as more ignorant and incapable than Americo-Liberians with American surnames (actually one of the sources of the first civil war there). Stereotypes! That allowed for an emotional reaction to a complicated social order rather than a studied analysis! Back to Cristaldo. Stereotyping was strewn throughout his article. Nazis! Apartheid! Labels that did nothing to explain the near 100% white domination of Brazilian media and images and the attempts to recitify this situation. - adrianerik Fri, 08 Sep 2006 19:34:03 +0100 http://www.brazzil.com/home-mainmenu-1/169-july-2006/9656.html#comment-17945 I say it\'s character what does it! ;) - Brazuca Fri, 08 Sep 2006 10:29:16 +0100 http://www.brazzil.com/home-mainmenu-1/169-july-2006/9656.html#comment-17940 I agree with adrianerik on the issue of quotas, both the Booker T. Washington bottom up approach and the WEB Du Bois top down approach are necessary. Improve the schools, yes, but what will the smart, hardworking indviduals among them do in the meantime? Wait another 500 years for the race to elevate? They need the opportunity now. That\'s why I support affirmative action, although for different reasons than most people. I think blacks need it because no one chooses what culture to be a part of. No black person chose to be a part of a culture that at this point in history happens to be backwards. - Abriu (Aprelle) Fri, 08 Sep 2006 01:44:29 +0100 http://www.brazzil.com/home-mainmenu-1/169-july-2006/9656.html#comment-17939 Stereotypes are more or less true and are empirically verifiable. If stereotypes are not true then why do they always apply to the same groups and why are they the same all over the world? Some of the ones that are completely true are that Jews are entrepreneurial, Asians are mathematical, and blacks are rhythmic. It\'s strange how black Americans will call themselves African-American (an ethnicity) but want to be seen as individuals instead of being seen as an ethnicity. - Abriu (Aprelle) Fri, 08 Sep 2006 01:39:37 +0100 http://www.brazzil.com/home-mainmenu-1/169-july-2006/9656.html#comment-17935 This was NOT a mistake made by African-Americans. If you study your history you would know that there was a major focus and empahsis on primary education in the African-American community. Quotas was not THE strategy, it was A strategy and it was applied in many instances where there did not exist equitable competition (becoming New York city firemen, for example). Having been a manager at three of the largest Fortune 500 firms in America I can tell you that this idea of equitable competition is a myth. Hiring decisions are relative, and very personal. The idea of a new employee being a \'best fit\' has little to do with their educational achievements. (I say that with 15 years of experience being among those who hire). It has to do with the subjective opinions and perspectives of the mostly white, mostly males making the hiring decisions. Quotas, whether you like them or not, was an attempt to confront that bias. Secondly, in Brazil, the issue of fairness has to be looked at regionally. In Bahia, at shopping centers like Shopping Barra and Shopping Iguatemi, the lack of ANY black people working there has little to do with their intellectual capacity. I have lighter- skinned friends working there who have infintely less education than many unemployed black people in Salvador. - adrianerik Thu, 07 Sep 2006 21:40:53 +0100 http://www.brazzil.com/home-mainmenu-1/169-july-2006/9656.html#comment-17934 I am a afro-american. I hope that people of color in Brazil do NOT repeat the mistakes that we (Black Americans) made over the last 40 years. The MOST important thing that can be done for people of color in Brazil is to VASTLY improve PRIMARY and SECONDARY education. THAT will be far more productive than quotas in universities and corporations. A SOLD fundamental education will produce people who can COMPETE for university and job slots. Indeed, in America, most new jobs are created by small entrepreneurs --- most of whom are NOT college graduates. A solid egalitarian education system, which includes good TECHNICAL education, will be the best ticket out of poverty in ANY society. The largely \"top down\" approach that was pursued in the USA was doomed to fail --- after ALL the things that happened over the last forty years, young Black American males are an endangered species. If we had persued a SOLID \"bottom up\" approach --- that is to say, if we had focused on making our NEIGHBORHOOD schools as SOLD as possible, we would have been so much better off as a people, rather than focusing on a handfull of \"show piece\" achievers. The best thing that BRAZILIANS can do for afro-brazilians is to focus on IMPROVING BASIC EDUCATION FOR ALL BRAZILIANS --- not just for the university-bound elites. An educated population --- a FUNDAMENTALLY educated population ---- benefits the WHOLE SOCIETY. - Thomas Thu, 07 Sep 2006 19:25:21 +0100