Comments for A Danger in Brazil: Splitting into Two Races at http://www.brazzil.com , comment 1 to 100 out of 20 comments http://www.brazzil.com Tue, 21 May 2013 04:52:57 +0100 FeedCreator 1.7.3 http://www.brazzil.com/home-mainmenu-1/165-november-2004/7339.html#comment-49676 i love brazil and will come asap - thomas burroughs, jr. Fri, 18 Mar 2011 11:08:29 +0100 http://www.brazzil.com/home-mainmenu-1/165-november-2004/7339.html#comment-45865 Well, everyone is judging Brazilian people by that article, but I'm a Brazilian, born and raised, a white Brazilian girl, but I'm SO proud of the African origins of our culture! I'll not say that the racism doesn't exist, it exists EVERYWHERE, and it is a big problem in every society. It's just kinda funny to read north americans and european talking about prejudice in Brazil... And how about the way Brazilian people are treated in this places, and African? Is good to judge other people without judging ourselves, but I doubt you will ever know a folk that is more loved in Africa, the mostly Black continent, than Brazilians are. - Brasil(L) Sun, 30 May 2010 16:57:56 +0100 http://www.brazzil.com/home-mainmenu-1/165-november-2004/7339.html#comment-42392 Am I crazy or did anyone even read this article. First of all the article is about the divide amongst social classes in Brazil. Not race. Having said that I would like to address some of the many comments I've read. #1 Brazil is leaps and bounds ahead of most countries in regards to racial mixing. Most Brazilians do not view themselves as anything but Brazilian. This is a great quality. So we non Brazilians cannot force our views onto their culture. However, what Brazil can't deny is that most of its poor are people of color. That is a fact. #2 If social economical factors is what cause a divide amongst its people, then why do Brazilians not recognize this and demand change. Now for a brief history lesson. For four hundred years African Americans were subjected to the cruelest treatment, which was slavery. The Africans that were brought here as salves where made to assimilate totally to English culture. We were not allowed to read and write or speak in our native tongue. So all of our African culture was erased. Even after slavery was abolished we were still treated as second class citizens. I love Brazil, as a black woman, because they were able to retain more of there African heritage. This is evident just by looking at its people, a mixture of racial backgrounds. The Portuguese apparently didn't share the same views as the English who colonized some parts of America. It is a unwritten rule here that one drop of black blood makes you black. I was so surprised how my Brazilian friends don't share that same sentiment. However non rich Brazilians need to take the same point of view as African Americans. It may not be race but its definitely something that keeps them divided. During the Civil Rights movement the point was to make America equal for all minorities, Blacks, Latins, Asian, the poor etc. We African Americans paved the way for equality for ALL, by coming together to fight for equality. If all the poor and lower middle class Brazilians came together for one cause, equality and held steadfast their government could no longer turn a blind eye to the situation. Its easy to ignore small groups or not look up at the hills. Its up to the dwellers of the favelas to stand up and say "We're here and we will fight for the opportunity to have a better life. We will not go away. We want education, housing, health care and just a chance to show you that we want to live better. We want a chance, not pity." This is the pivotal difference between Blacks in America and the African Brazilians/poor. We boycotted, we marched, we fought through police dogs and intimidation until the world took notice. We, above all were united. Until the poor in Brazil unite and demand change, the fabric of the current social economical state will collapse. What the rich in Brazil should realize, is that its only so long that those in the favelas will continue to look down and see the picture perfect life they all want. They better hope that the drug dealers of the favelas never unite because they can take over a city. The police and even an army couldn't compare to the barrage of weaponry owned by drug lords. What they should focus on is educating the youth and giving them skills so they can provide for themselves and be not forced into drug trafficking. Since all those who live in favelas are not bad people the rich should focus on the good ones to ensure Brazil's place as an economic powerhouse. Or, it will remain what it is, a beautiful, culturally mixed third world county. - African American woman Tue, 01 Dec 2009 22:22:48 +0100 http://www.brazzil.com/home-mainmenu-1/165-november-2004/7339.html#comment-42226 The party which rules this country just wants to split to conquer.....what exactly Communism wants. - Tordilho Negro Thu, 12 Nov 2009 07:55:41 +0100 http://www.brazzil.com/home-mainmenu-1/165-november-2004/7339.html#comment-41437 Outstanding article... As a visitor to your country I can say that I too have seen a growing disparity among the lower class and complacency among those in power (particularly true in Rio de Janeiro). I am confident however, that the future is bright for Brazil and that if individuals, like the author of this article, continue to press for reform, Brazil will finally become a world class leader and not merely the country of the future. - HANS PINTO Fri, 02 Oct 2009 15:04:24 +0100 http://www.brazzil.com/home-mainmenu-1/165-november-2004/7339.html#comment-41006 Wow, and i was thinking of visting Brazil to soak up the diversity and learn a thing or two... I do realise there are a whole host of views here but it seems humanity dosent see itself as a race anymore... its fucking depressing!!! Being of Indian descent, i live in New Zealand. Ive seen such segregation as a kid too, all this 'crap' seems to be a fucking national pastime. All this jazz about 'classes', 'religions', 'rich or poor', white or black or yellow or fucking pink, is such a fucking downgrade on the term 'Human'. It makes me wonder if we really are an intelligent race (im talking about humanity here not any form of fucking ferrellism)or a delusioned, self destructive,ignorant.... [Fill in the blank] It comes as no surprise actually. In my experiences, the rich want to remain the rich and use the poor while they are at it... especially in developing countries. There are always these bloody vast devides. Has anyone else noticed that? I dont think its about culture or 'color' at the end of the day, its fucking GREED really. Anything that is associated with Wealth or benifit in general, is fucking idolised... Think about this BRAZIL.. - Bjorne Fri, 04 Sep 2009 08:59:26 +0100 http://www.brazzil.com/home-mainmenu-1/165-november-2004/7339.html#comment-39722 Groid undoubtedly you are racist and misinformed. You wish McCain had won, ha, Obama, who is African-American and not a "darky" as you call him is more educated, intelligent, and has way more class than McCain could ever hope or wish for. You European Brazilians think yourselves superior but without the labor of people of African and Indian decent you would be nothing but rotting in Europe being killed by plauge ridden rats and still not bathing. You are undoubtedly very ignorant and misinformed which is why you have to post your garbage all over this forum. In fact, many Portugese and Spanish of of mixed arabic and moorish heritage. Secondly, not all people of African decent engage in the self detructive behaviors that you describe and I have seen pleny of white people (like you) who do the same kinds of behaviors. So before you speak your racist crap, you should really try to get to know more about the world, that is if you can afford to. And you are probably mad that Obama is not giving visas to idiots like you so you cannot come to America and pollute our country with your nosense. - Bahiagirl Sun, 31 May 2009 12:07:44 +0100 http://www.brazzil.com/home-mainmenu-1/165-november-2004/7339.html#comment-39721 Living in Brazil for over a year 1997-1998 I can agree with Canadas Pride that Brazil does have many problems with providing adequate eduation and opportunities to the poor many of whom were mixed raced and of African decent. It is not impossible for a person of African decent to do well in say Sao Paulo and even somewhat in Bahia but for the rest of the country, well, I have to say the ones who had the majority of wealth were of European decent. I found that Brazilians were a lot less racist than Americans, but I also think that many Brazilians do not understand that the government will have to do more to improve education, health, and housing for the poor as well as grow the economy so that the poor can recieve better wages, opportunties, etc. If not, then crime will continue to grow and teh stratification between rich and poor will become so great as to be insurmountable. The real problem is that the rich do not want to share the wealth which they have gained off the backs of poor workers. Therefore they pay very low wages which does not allow the poor to rise above their meager situation. Should this continue than this will undoubtedly impede Brazil's progress as no nation with a huge gap between rich and poor and almost no middle class can call itself a first or even second world nation. P.S. when I was in Brazil I actually experienced very little crime but that was over ten years ago, can someone tell me if the crime has gotten worse? On the whole I found Brazilians to be very peaceful and trustworthy. - Bahiagirl Sun, 31 May 2009 11:57:11 +0100 http://www.brazzil.com/home-mainmenu-1/165-november-2004/7339.html#comment-38200 Do not move to Brazil from Canada. You've been warned. I am an European who lived in Brazil for a couple of years. In the beginning it was interesting. However, with time you start to understand that Brazil as a country has many, many shortcomings. For example, the crime rates are awful, and with time I got tired of imagining my daughter being kidnapped, or our house broken into and us getting shot and killed by a 14-year drugged punk. On the day I left Brazil, I felt an immense, gigantic relief. - jakob Fri, 19 Dec 2008 07:48:06 +0100 http://www.brazzil.com/home-mainmenu-1/165-november-2004/7339.html#comment-37600 "And don't try pulling that crap that Southern Europeans are mixed with Blacks, Moors were Arabs and Berbers whom are White, Blacks were largely non-existent in Europe or North Africa prior to Europeans bring them there during the slave trade. The fact is that Caucasians very in color from Pinkish White in Nordic countries to Brown or even Black in Indic countries. Even Dravidians are Caucasians, although there are some whom are Australoid and Mongoloid there and I'll admit some mixing but, there is a reason most Indians look like just Black Caucasians." Southern Europeans are mixed with blacks. How do you explain: 1. Large ass 2. Dark skins 3. curly hair/full lips 4. hot-blooded temperament And of course there are LOTS of mulattos/blacks all over North Africa. I used to live there, so tell me something I DON'T know. - groid Fri, 07 Nov 2008 07:08:54 +0100 http://www.brazzil.com/home-mainmenu-1/165-november-2004/7339.html#comment-37599 "Look at Africa - the prets are simply closer to the chimpanzees than the people that had the sense to get out of that hell-hole. Get used to it - The Africans can dance, fornicate and eat each other while the Chinese and Europeans eat their lunch, an outcome deserved by both sides. Not because the Chinese and Europeans shed their negritude, after all that is about no more than vitamin D - but because they value education and civilization enough to actually improve the human race. This crap about white racism holding down the darky is indefensible in light of the truth - the the same horrors of slavery endured under whites they endured under blacks, and the worse thing that happened to 20th century Africa was decolonialzation. Move 'em to Brazil, Jamaica or South Central Los Angeles, they are they same people they ever were." Honky, I'm so sorry that McCain lost. Really. Now you got a "darky" running your jerked-off country. Signed, A pret - groid Fri, 07 Nov 2008 07:06:09 +0100 http://www.brazzil.com/home-mainmenu-1/165-november-2004/7339.html#comment-37274 Africans they are still backwards after all the monies given to them and the intenion of the trains of the learnings of the professorials and on it is evident in its completions of nothing. Excuse me!!!! First of all why dont you name all the countries in Africa and tell me how much has been giving to each of them. It seems that you have been brainwashed by the media and fraud. The WHITE AMERICANS are the ones who ask for the money to give and sponsor a child in Africa. They live in big houses, probably have 6 cars and all their children and grandchildren go to private schools. Why don't you check up on that. I bet you think Africa is a country and has one language. Ignorant Idiot. - Nigerian-Canadian Sun, 12 Oct 2008 02:16:58 +0100 http://www.brazzil.com/home-mainmenu-1/165-november-2004/7339.html#comment-34880 Personally, I think Brazilians need to stop living a lie of them being a racial democracy. After 350 years of slavery it isn't a surprise to me that it really isn't. Its time people realize Brazil has apartheid and that Afro-Brazilians need it the most. It makes me sick Brazilians say there isn't racism but look at the facts. There is! Not just in Brazil but in all Latin American countries. - Roberto Alvarez Sat, 05 Jul 2008 17:24:57 +0100 http://www.brazzil.com/home-mainmenu-1/165-november-2004/7339.html#comment-34556 [quote]The fact is all Non-Whites do better in the US than almost anywhere on the planet.[/quote] Prisoners are better fed and better taken care of in the US than in many third world countries. Should we establish "going to jail" as a solution to the world hunger? Haha. This logic doesn't work. The American society is broken. You segregate yourselves into ethnical groups because you are racists, even if you don't actively wish harm towards others. Racism is not only about hurting the "others", but about dividing the society into races and using it as a determinant factor of what the person was, is and will ever be. Your description about the "italian-americans" distinguishing themselves from white anglo-saxons is false. Such designations always had the objective of segregating groups of "not quite whites" from the "true whites". The Irish, for example, were considered some kind of "white negroid" by the racists of the past, and that's why they deserved a separate designation. The same applies for the spanish, portuguese or italians. [quote]White Brazilians also are privately aware of this since they are feeling for the US, Canada, Argentina, Australia, and Europe to get away from the Blacks and Browns that seem to rapidly be invading once almost entire White Southern Brazil.[/quote] What!? Most Brazilian immigrants look "white" because that's how Brazil looks like. Only in the mind of the ignorant they fantasize about this place being some kind of Africa. Blacks are only 8% or less of the total population around here. And get your facts straight, idiot. The southeast of Brazil is the most diverse region of the entire country and that's not new. - A Brazilian Mon, 21 Apr 2008 13:25:28 +0100 http://www.brazzil.com/home-mainmenu-1/165-november-2004/7339.html#comment-33070 America was wrong in slavery and segregation but, for the most part these are HISTORICAL wrongs.Don't forget we fought a Civil War to liberate a whole race from slavery in this country and Whites were the only race to voluntarily end slavery. Modern Segregation is largely economic and not racial. For Instance, in New Jersey, Whites, Blacks, Browns, and Asians all live comfortably with each other. I'm 24 and have never heard a White person use the N-word, although Blacks brought that back into mainstream use in rap music. Nor have I ever seen instances of obvious racism of the type ignorant foreigners believe goes on here. The fact is all Non-Whites do better in the US than almost anywhere on the planet. As for the myth of White purity only 2 out of 3 White Americans are purely White. The rest have some Black, Native, or Asian blood. Also, I am Italian-American and yes Ethnic Whites as myself do try to distinguish themselves from White Anglo-Saxon Protestants but, these people are not ashamed of their European White heritage. They just don't like their distinct ethnicity being erased by Non-Whites calling them Generically White as if all Whites came from the same background or something. I am American plain and simply. The fact is the true racism is real in Brazil, Blacks have only 20% of the income of white compared to 79% in the US and 50% in Western Europe. White Brazilians also are privately aware of this since they are feeling for the US, Canada, Argentina, Australia, and Europe to get away from the Blacks and Browns that seem to rapidly be invading once almost entire White Southern Brazil. While most of these White Brazilians emigrating out won't admit that race has a lot to do with their flight nearly as much as for economic reasons, it is real. Explain why nearly 100% of Brazilian Immigrants are White while their population is only 53.5% White. Also, Brazil is not just Black and White, its 2% Asian, 10% Black, 54% White and the rest are either mixed White and Black or Mixed White and Native. Besides in a tropical land like Brazil, Whites of Portuguese, Italian, Spanish,or Lebanese ancestry will likely look tan or even Brown due to sun exposure. Germans and other Northern Europeans will still look White because, they do not tan as well. You will find that Mediterranean peoples all look darker or lighter depending on the latitude or season. This will fool Northern Europeans and Non-Whites not exposed to White that can tan because they will not see distinction between Mulatto or Mestizo of mostly White ancestry and dark or olive skinned Europeans. And don't try pulling that crap that Southern Europeans are mixed with Blacks, Moors were Arabs and Berbers whom are White, Blacks were largely non-existent in Europe or North Africa prior to Europeans bring them there during the slave trade. The fact is that Caucasians very in color from Pinkish White in Nordic countries to Brown or even Black in Indic countries. Even Dravidians are Caucasians, although there are some whom are Australoid and Mongoloid there and I'll admit some mixing but, there is a reason most Indians look like just Black Caucasians. - Jay Fiore Mon, 14 Jan 2008 05:12:34 +0100 http://www.brazzil.com/home-mainmenu-1/165-november-2004/7339.html#comment-32481 usa is full of this what the writer is about and all the people are going into trouble it is not Brasil for any mention of a particular many are returning to Brasil from usa because it is going wrong So don't blame Brasil for what is a world problem Africans they are still backwards after all the monies given to them and the intenion of the trains of the learnings of the professorials and on it is evident in its completions of nothing. - Zeka Fri, 14 Dec 2007 20:17:31 +0100 http://www.brazzil.com/home-mainmenu-1/165-november-2004/7339.html#comment-31632 [quote]You enslave somebody for centuries and you expect for them to not resort to crime. [/quote] This is a cultural problem generated by slavery-based economies. Slavery devaluates work to nothing. In every former-slave society, not to work is associated to being a noble person, and to do hard work is associated to being a plebian, a lowlife, a loser. Of course one should not expect a grandson of slaves to see work as a good thing. Plus, if you watch a Brazilian soap opera, you will notice that nobody in there works or is seem working. - Rodolfo Dias Sun, 04 Nov 2007 03:15:46 +0100 http://www.brazzil.com/home-mainmenu-1/165-november-2004/7339.html#comment-31555 Im not sure if thats a compliment or insult/ sarcasm.... i'll jus say thank you :'( - Rapadura Wed, 31 Oct 2007 20:14:04 +0100 http://www.brazzil.com/home-mainmenu-1/165-november-2004/7339.html#comment-31374 i bow to rapadura's wise words....... from an american mutt! - ernest johnson jr. Thu, 25 Oct 2007 23:39:26 +0100 http://www.brazzil.com/home-mainmenu-1/165-november-2004/7339.html#comment-30535 Let me start by saying> WTF this is one twisted arguement............... Does it matter what race i am???????? no not really so I wont say or else someone here is probably going to point a finger and say i am biased no matter what i say and that's how twisted this arguement is......... As far as Brasil...... my whole family is Brasilian, I was not born there and do not live there........ but I have lived there and visit my family there almost every year for a few months!!!!! My family has a range of people from ,all set( not quite rich) to very poor people.....black, white, moreno, disabled, italian, german, native american, and that's just some i can remember.... Brasil is very problematic, but unlike other places, racism is only like 3% of the problem in Brasil, where the other 97% is due to corruption, money/greed/ lack ofmoney, and crime....... as far as racism, i hav felt it's sting and it used to have a big effect on my mind and pride..... but nowadays i take almost any racism with a grain of salt and pay almost no attention to it, the person that is prejudice to me i treat them like a brother(or sister), because that is the way my family raised me to be..... if more people did this heavy racism and prejudice would eventually lose it's place , All of us are brothers, if you are religous you either do or should work to believe that statment, and if even if you aren't religous you can't deny it because all humans come from the same place, dont forget that...... These ideas might seem idealistic, but thats because they are..... i like to believe that we might be able to change as a people instead of just staying where we are at or degenerating further.....which is what other people believe is the only course.. "capoeira e meu estilo de vida" "eu so pequeno, mas deus e grande" - Rapadura Mon, 01 Oct 2007 01:11:45 +0100