Comments for Brazilian Elections: Privatization - Lula and Alckmin Defend the Indefensible at http://www.brazzil.com , comment 1 to 27 out of 20 comments http://www.brazzil.com Wed, 07 Jan 2009 17:08:56 +0100 FeedCreator 1.7.3 http://www.brazzil.com/home-mainmenu-1/172-october-2006/9728.html#comment-18663 holllaa yeah thos ppl are the bomb. idk wtf socket sniffing is but it sounds sweet. i really dig the fat one mhm ;) - MiSS MOllY Tue, 07 Nov 2006 14:05:58 +0100 http://www.brazzil.com/home-mainmenu-1/172-october-2006/9728.html#comment-18662 [s][/s]Well hello there! I definatley love the nose! 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Other than that not having enough phone lines only makes a country less efficient which makes it more difficult for to generate wealth and lift people out of poverty. If Brazil is so worried about profits from privatization going overseas why not pass a law that you have to be a brazilian citizen in order to have stock in some specific industries. I still can't get over what an idiot xxxx is. His/Her understanding of the world and economics must be so limited it is amazing. I have met people from the favela who have a better basic undertanding of how efficiency helps generate wealth. What a retard. - nesnej Sat, 28 Oct 2006 13:56:03 +0100 http://www.brazzil.com/home-mainmenu-1/172-october-2006/9728.html#comment-18424 First I was a playboy. Now I’m a peasant. Is kind of sad when the only argument that some is able to make is base in xenophobic comment. I never lived in the farm. The reason that my family never bought a telephone in the old days was because we have no use for that equipment to justify the cost. My dad was out of the house all day working. My mother was out the house all day working. I went to school all day. In the weekend I enjoying going to play sports, going out with my friends, movies or just reading a good book. No time for telephone. Is kind of silly when you see people today no able to function without a cell phone.. Later my family enrolls in the Telesp plan and we were able to get a phone line for a very low price. We had to wait but ones we got the line thru the regular channels we could sell the phone line if we want for 3 times the value we pay. I was very good investment. Again, anybody in the old days with a phone line was a shareholder of the company. With a X numbers of shares. This arrangement was part of the deal when you bought the line . Sharing the profits with the regular Joe. When the value of the line went up your investment went up. Telesp was a very good company with good service and stable job for working Brazilians. This is my last post in response to you comment.. Have a great day and take care of yourself. - xxxxx Sat, 28 Oct 2006 13:55:18 +0100 http://www.brazzil.com/home-mainmenu-1/172-october-2006/9728.html#comment-18419 "I’m not giving you a advice. I’m telling a fact about life in Brazil in the 70’s 80’s" I don’t think you would know what a fact was if it came up and crapped on your face, trutinho. Because YOU are from a horse and buggy family, and enjoyed being technically locked away from the rest of the developed world for a spell, doesn’t mean that others shared that same wonderful experience. I’m happy you had a good life plowing fields you repressed luddite, because today you are obviously too stressed with the added 21st century pressures like the horrendously complicated task of ANSWERING A PHONE. Again, Telabras was one of the biggest jokes in Brazil, and the fact that you repeatedly argue the contrary (while NOT having had a telephone during Telebras’reign of power) proves that you don’t know what you are talking about, and that your monosynaptic pea-brain is misfiring, too. Profits going to investors in Spain he whines? Maybe. But it sure as shit beats the hell out of public money going to banks in Switzerland, hien? I’m glad that you thought the military dictatorship years were so efficient. Boms tempos, né! - ex pat Sat, 28 Oct 2006 10:37:28 +0100 http://www.brazzil.com/home-mainmenu-1/172-october-2006/9728.html#comment-18411 When I say,”you would live without one” Mean that if you could go back to the 70’s or 80’s you could live fine without a phone line in Brazil. I can say that were not extreme high priority for the people to have a phone line in Brazil in the 70’s and 80’s As you see the word “Conselho” does not fit. I’m not giving you a advice. I’m telling a fact about life in Brazil in the 70’s 80’s If you have a time machine then you can take the “conselho” and used it - xxxxx Fri, 27 Oct 2006 22:17:11 +0100 http://www.brazzil.com/home-mainmenu-1/172-october-2006/9728.html#comment-18410 I did no have a phone number when I lived in Brazil. To receive phone call at home every single day was not a priority. Most of my day was going to school or working. My mother and father worked and had no time for talking on the phone. The true is most people that are in favor of privatization are people that can afford large amount of stocks in a private IPO Again, Telesp, Embratel, Vale do Rio Doce were in the past very good company. Most of the profits of the old privatization are going to people outside of Brazil. They buy ADR in The States from Brazilian corporations, the profit stays in the USA and the USA government collects taxes from theses people in case they sale their stock shares. Brazilian do not benefits from the situation. Remember, in the past a phone line was not just a phone line. - you own as a regular joe a X numbers of share what was going up almost every year. You have limit information about Brazil. - xxxxx Fri, 27 Oct 2006 22:06:36 +0100 http://www.brazzil.com/home-mainmenu-1/172-october-2006/9728.html#comment-18408 E tmb, "You would live fine without one" é conselho... - ex pat Fri, 27 Oct 2006 20:15:59 +0100 http://www.brazzil.com/home-mainmenu-1/172-october-2006/9728.html#comment-18407 Então, obrigado pelo seu pensamento idiota! Esta melhor trutinho? The article is about privitization in general, and how Geraldinho lost a pivital moment to counter Lula´s bullshit nationalistic "you want to privitize the everything" populist bafflegab that only rings true with simpleton marxists like you. Investing in a state corporation Are you serious You OBVIOUSLY have a problem with the proven idea that the state is ridculously piss-poor at running public agencies. And no, you are completely INCORRECT. Telebras was a mess from the get-go, and to tell anyone different, given all the benifits that have befallen Brazil since the privitization of that sham is just retarded. Unless, your some rich cat playboy that had never had to endure the cost of trying to get something as simple as a PHONE NUMBER ten years ago. - ex pat Fri, 27 Oct 2006 20:10:12 +0100 http://www.brazzil.com/home-mainmenu-1/172-october-2006/9728.html#comment-18405 Conselho in portuguese means Advice My frase is not giving you advice My frase is just a fact- I lived in Brasil in the 70 and 80 and Telebras,Telesp was a very good company. Only a person with not idea about Brazil past can make this kind of comment - xxxxx Fri, 27 Oct 2006 19:47:41 +0100 http://www.brazzil.com/home-mainmenu-1/172-october-2006/9728.html#comment-18404 The privatization that Fitzgerald, a Brazilian hating, Brazilian resident who couldn't go back to Scotland for lack of being able to find a decent job in journalism in "the real world", instead he writes for this rag, is ironic.' So after that bemoaning specious rant, you in fact actually agree with what he had to say? :- - ex pat Fri, 27 Oct 2006 19:45:32 +0100 http://www.brazzil.com/home-mainmenu-1/172-october-2006/9728.html#comment-18403 "You have to remember to the in the past telephones in Brazil were not a big deal. You would live fine without one.. " Ya, a couple of coconuts connected with string was so much more effecient. Obrigado pelo seu conselho! - ex pat Fri, 27 Oct 2006 19:13:13 +0100 http://www.brazzil.com/home-mainmenu-1/172-october-2006/9728.html#comment-18401 The privatization that Fitzgerald, a Brazilian hating, Brazilian resident who couldn't go back to Scotland for lack of being able to find a decent job in journalism in "the real world", instead he writes for this rag, is ironic. Yes it is true that Cardosa efforts to privatize the communications industry lead to more opportunities for Brazilians, it was also the direct reason for Lula's election. Prior to privitaztion Lula ran 3 times...from the back of a pick up truck in the favelas. After Cardosa "wired up" Brazil, Lula was able to get his socialistic message out to the poor masses, who all now had cable TV, phone and internet. I was simply the largest factor in the election. It is ironic that President Lula now wants to withhold the one thing that put him in power from the rest of the Brazilian people, thus holding back employment opportunites and better lives for the people he continues to con. - GaryT Fri, 27 Oct 2006 18:55:37 +0100 http://www.brazzil.com/home-mainmenu-1/172-october-2006/9728.html#comment-18398 Wrong information In the past when you bought a phone line in Brazil you were getting stocks option from the Corporation, That is the reason the price was high- you are sharing of profit of the corporation with the people Telebras was a execelent corporation - s true that Would take you a long time but after that you have a good invesment at hand, and the best part, in the had of Brazilian people. Today with Telefonica - phone company ,from spain most of the profit goes back to people in Spain, You have to remember to the in the past telephones in Brazil were not a big deal. You would live fine without one.. - xxxxx Fri, 27 Oct 2006 16:36:35 +0100 http://www.brazzil.com/home-mainmenu-1/172-october-2006/9728.html#comment-18372 Lula is winning by default, it's a shame that Alckmin is gutless. - REDNECK Thu, 26 Oct 2006 14:48:09 +0100 http://www.brazzil.com/home-mainmenu-1/172-october-2006/9728.html#comment-18370 "For future reference, if I want your stupid opinions, I'll beat it out of you!" The interesting thing about tough guys/gals in Brazil is that they usually don’t live to be more than 25. The stats show this quite conclusively. The only benefit that one can see in the violence of Brazil is that most of it is kept to the knuckle-dragging crowds like our friend costinha here. And the sooner their stupid ways and bravado have them removed from the gene pool, the better for the rest of society. I reckon Costinha isn’t much older than 18 so we MAY need to bear with his/her immature rantings and ramblings for a few more years. MAYBE. - ex pat Thu, 26 Oct 2006 10:06:35 +0100 http://www.brazzil.com/home-mainmenu-1/172-october-2006/9728.html#comment-18369 I remember buying my first fix line phone in 1996 for R$6000. I was appalled. I enquired about getting a mobile phone and was told that I would have to wait 12-18 months and the cost would be around R$30,000. Since 1996, prices of establishing a phone line have dropped thousands of percent, the cost of calls has also dropped(role on free calls), there are more jobs for properly trained and competent telecommunications personnel in Brasil, the service is better (though not perfect as is anywhere in the world), and government is making more money than ever before from taxes on each phone call and the licensing of radio spectrum. Now imagine if Telebras had not been privitised? It is hard to imagine this equivelant result in a state monopoly. Globally very few countries now have a state owned telecommunications industry. The successful countries do have STRONG regulatory authority, and this is where Brasil needs to keep working on making the regulatory authority as strong as possible, and not subject to political forces from the encumbent and powerful telco's and maintaining a competitive environment. Roll on Number Portability to help in this area.! - John Miller Thu, 26 Oct 2006 09:39:45 +0100 http://www.brazzil.com/home-mainmenu-1/172-october-2006/9728.html#comment-18368 Ya, that was hilarious prof. I’m in stiches. Have you thought about a career in writing for Ratinho or Panico na Tv? I’m sure their witty, intelligent and cutting edge programmes could use your rare and robust comedic writing style to further push the envelope in creating more high-brow Brazilian programming. ROFL. Brilliant. - ex pat Thu, 26 Oct 2006 09:07:45 +0100 http://www.brazzil.com/home-mainmenu-1/172-october-2006/9728.html#comment-18367 If you read the first paragraph carefully, you'll see that he said there are currently 51 cell phones per 100 persons. His figure of 100 million would mean that the rate would improve to about 54 cell phones per 100 persons (100M/185M population). - Guest Thu, 26 Oct 2006 07:06:56 +0100