Brazzil

It's called self-respect.

Brasil has done quite well just the way it is.... Thank You very much!

As a Brazilian, I think that Brazil should drop the visa requirement for Americans and even Mexicans.

The Americans have a good reason to require visa and a log wait because of many illegal Brazilians in the USA. Actually, they are doing us a great favor.

The Mexicans are requesting again a visa based also in the fact (besides the American pressure) that people are dying crossing the American-Mexican border and there are groups of crazy nationalists there shooting at people.

So, we should judge separately the American or Mexican people from their governments as much as we want to be judged separately from our government. At least I do.

We need revenue and we need to fight poverty and if that helps a little so be it. It is time to gulp down our pride and put the shoulder to the wheel.

Self-respect is sometimes not far from "cutting off one's nose to spite one's face".

Look at the totally irrational photographing & fingerprinting of Americans arriving in Brazil under the guise of a policy of "reciprocity". The U.S. has a good reason for doing so, and the rule applies to many countries. In Brazil it applied only to Americans. And, after all of that expense and bad publicity, it ended up that the data that they had collected was just thrown away. A total waste of scarce resources that could have been put to better use improving the country!

Certainly there are a lot of people dying crossing the border, especially in the desert areas, but I don't think that the Minutemen are shooting at people. They just call the Border Patrol on their cell phones and report people that they see crossing the border illegally.

The US has a good reasons for a VISA program but Brazil dos not, at least where the US is concerned. The "self respect" of the kid above is nothing compared to the thousands of jobs that would be created by doubling the amount of Americans entering the country. I work in the tourism industry and I see first hand how the VISA harms, significantly, the amount of Americans who want to come to Brazil but cant because for a family of 4, the $400+ dollars is just too painful. Brazil has many things to be proud about and a VISA that costs thousands of families potential jobs has not reason or rhyme.

The finger printing of american citizens is a good example of playng bad politics.Unfortunately the Brazilian people has elected an illiterate corrupt clown for president.
To whom it may concern: I am not american.

... this gringo hopes they never drop the visa requirement... visa's aren't that hard to get, and I dont wanna come to brazil just to see the place overrun by fat idiots from Ohio and Nebraska...I wanna save the place for myself, ha haa!

Answer:

See the following:

http://www.splcenter.org/intel/intelreport/article.jsp?aid=557

Yes, Gringos should have a visa to enter Brasil. Most are going for sex tourism. Afterall, the Americans are making lots of money ( US$100+ for each person applying) from Brasilians just applying for a visa that most are denied anyway. Brasil can do without the gringos! They are bad tippers too. Lets keep the gringos out of tropical land. Let them go to Mexico, Canada and Iraq.

Yes! Visa for gringos"

"Yes, Gringos should have a visa to enter Brasil"

"Brasil can do without the gringos"

"Lets keep the gringos out of tropical land."

Which statement should we keep?

Well, yhat was an interesting web article, although it was very obviously biased. It said a lot about how the Minutemen include some pretty typical American rednecks. I never said in my post that they were liberals or socialists. :-)

However, did you notice that although the Minutemen ARE armed, even that article didn't say anything about them shooting people. You can bet that U.S. law enforcement would be "on them like stink on s**t" if they were doing that.

I believe what you are saying is right but there is always someone capable of using guns anywhere in this mad world therefore it is better for the Brazilians to try to come/go to US legally (through work visas, student visa, etc) or not to come/go at all.

Anyway, the author of the article is right.

Some of my compatriots here in this site are protesting and any more will protest vehemently against the idea however I believe that we should make easier for the Americans to enter Brazil even when the Americans are keeping their visa rules for us. Why? Because we need the capital, the mula, the gold, pure and simple. No, I do not work in the tourism industry if someone is wondering I just know that Brazil needs every income possible and that is all. Man, I start sounding like a Minister of finances!

However, one thing astonishes me about foreign tourists in Brazil. Even with the fact that we have beautiful places to take pictures from, they, in many cases, like to go to very poor places to get their pictures of our country. Why? Is there something romantic about our favelas that we are missing to perceive?

whats the issue about visas anyway? i dont think it would have much of an affect. truth is those visas arent hard to get. in fact i think making an account at the local video locadora is a lot more difficult with all the required documents!

The tourists that like to go to favelas probably just want to feel better about the misery that they live in (yes, some people live in misery in the U.S. too; there are many different kinds of misery in this world).

I personally like to go to the beautiful places in Brazil.

Unfortunately, many of the best places to go in Brazil are the ones that mostly just Brazilian tourists go. Brazil needs to promote and educate foreigners about places to go besides Rio and the Amazon. On the other hand, maybe things are good the way that they are, and these types of places can stay relatively unspoiled. There are some places that I know of that would make great tourist destinations, but I'm hesitant to mention them and why people are not going there, for fear of them being inundated with foreigners (OK, this is pure selfishness!).

I have noticed that most of the Brazilian tour companies are not well prepared for foreigners, and the ones that do recruit foreign tourists seem to have a large markup and are thus a lot more expensive. At the same time, I have met a lot of young people in Brazil that studied to work in the tourism industry but couldn't find a job in the industry and are doing something else. The tourism industry needs these people that have language skills in order to help attract foreign tourists.

BRAZILIANS SPEND MORE ABROAD THAN FOREIGN TOURISTS SPEND IN BRAZIL !

Your "tourism" account has a large deficit !

Please review your sources !

As to the Visas, why dont Brazil let other poor S.A. and Latam countries enter Brazil so easily ? When you will have answered that question, you will have the reason why the USA in fact just do what Brazil does !


Sooooooo simple !

"They are bad tippers too. Lets keep the gringos out of tropical land."

As opposed to the high fallutin, big spending Brazilians who throw 50 centavos on the table (if you're lucky) and walk away . . . That was funny!! I don't know but if gringos aren't tipping that well maybe it's because the f**king thieving, lying Brazilians are charging 2 different prices - local and gringo . . .

"Brasil....Stay the Course!"

"never drop the visa requirement"

"Yes! Visa for gringos"

"Lets keep the gringos out of tropical land."

"Brasil can do without the gringos"

I love all of them!

For the first time in my life i see with some sympathy polícia federal. Yes, let's the rednecks have some fun!

None of your opinions are of any use since none of you are in a position to make a policy decision on this subject. This is just an arrogance check. Lets see how people sound off about people they have never met on something they can not decide on anyway. Maybe some day people will get smart enough to recognize the crooked politicians owned by the rich man running the show in the US and in Brasil! His name is the devil.

I tip well, for good service. Good service is the rule in Brazil. I can’t say anything about American Tourists I stay in Brazilian Hotels. I try to stay clear of Americans I come to Brazil for the Brazilian PEOPLE.

We all have problems and undesirable people in our countries.

I’m willing to pay $100 for a visa. It is only correct what is good for one country is good for another.

I know of two Brazil friends that were denied VISAS to USA.
It’s not right, it looks bad and can not be defended by a reasonable person.
Two wrongs will not make it right, but can make it feel better, when we feel powerless.

An American who travels as a Canadian, I am not in to defending the poor judgment of my government.

hey brasil your illegals here in the usa have over stayed ..

you're right above poster. But I think there's something to do. I intend to join a ONG here wich is engaged to rasing people's conscious over the political process. through the internet is a great help to a closer approach to politics. People accompany what the mercenaries do and send them messages to follow the voice of people. Don't you think is some idea? it empower and motivate people at the same time.

But about what you said '"Lets see how people sound off about people they have never met on something they can not decide on anyway", don

you're right above poster. But I think there's something to do. I intend to join a ONG here wich is engaged to rasing people's conscious over the political process. through the internet is a great help to a closer approach to politics. People accompany what the mercenaries do and send them messages to follow the voice of people. Don't you think is some idea? it empower and motivate people at the same time.

But about what you said '"Lets see how people sound off about people they have never met on something they can not decide on anyway", don

hey brasil your illegals here in the usa have over stayed ..

hey brasil your illegals here in the usa have over stayed ..

quote: hey brasil your illegals here in the usa have over stayed ..

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which I'm sure your fellow countrymen rednecks and you make sure to exploit to the last drop of blood! Or you are exploited then have to discount in someone? In any case either a well paid person gets richer or an average person accesses cheap labour!

actually illegals in usa are the rednecks

first of all, illegals COST the U.S. taxpayers money, they are NOT an overall benefit, they are an overall DETRIMENT in the U.S.

Do I have to post the url to the CIS (Center for Immigration Studies) again?

Secondly, I would certainly hope by now that everyone would understand exactly WHY the U.S. requires visas from many countries, in particular those countries that have many illegals in the U.S. such as brazil.

For the poster that wrote for brazil to keep it up and their policy of reciprocity is about self-respect....pleeeease. Self-respect obviously has nothing to do with it, or you guys would have killed a lot of your own politicians long ago. It has to do with a stubborn national pride that many here would be willing to bite their noses off to spite their face, especially in respect to the U.S. Brazilians tend to take things way too personally. The U.S. didn't only require BRASILIANS to adhere to the new ID process when entering the U.S., they required 140+ countries initially and within 10 months required the rest of the world to have new "updated" passports with the very same information and data that is required from the original 140+ or they too would go through the same exact process. One must understand that 9-11 had its effect, and naturally the U.S. gov'ts. responsibility is to protect its citizens....and even its visitors.

As far as the minutemen statements, you can believe, there are numerous groups that are looking for ANY excuse to get this group in trouble, and as of this moment, no one has found ANYTHING that these people have done that has been illegal. Nothing. They're simply a group of americans that are fed-up with the situation and the inaction of their gov't. to a serious problem.

I feel quite certain that brazilians would understand if their own people did the same thing if there were 7 million argentinians illegally in brazil, recieving social services, burning brazilian flags, changing the brazilian national anthem, and demanding their rights, when they don't even have the right to be in the country.

the previous poster i would say most accurately reflects the majority of americans .overwhelmingly. on this subject...

We would start using them in our second division soccer teams.

We would use them to increase our white quota. (bad joke, I knw)

We would use them to work in our farms.

"It has to do with a stubborn national pride that many here would be willing to bite their noses off to spite their face, especially in respect to the U.S"

don

"It has to do with a stubborn national pride that many here would be willing to bite their noses off to spite their face, especially in respect to the U.S"

don

"It has to do with a stubborn national pride that many here would be willing to bite their noses off to spite their face, especially in respect to the U.S"

don

Hit the SEND button just once!

"Brazilians tend to take things way too personally."
what a joke!! learn how to speak portuguese and pass for a braz or another latin (then learn spanish) and see for yourself. Am I being too naive trying to give a redneck some kind of hint?

If they are a detriment why american high society hires nanny to TAKE CARE OF THEIR CHILDREN and pay 1/3 they would pay an american nanny? without one single benefit!!!!!!!!new yorkers are one example.

Just try to answer that and if it is too hard rationalize as you amreicans do best!

any problem ??

quote:

"Just try to answer that and if it is too hard rationalize as you amreicans do best!"


Here is your answer...

http://www.cis.org/articles/2004/fiscal.html

There is a REAL study, with real facts and figures, weighing all the benefits and detriments that illegals bring to the U.S. from a leading NGO concerning immigration...and not only illegal immigration, but immigration in general.

But that particular study is titled, "The High Cost of Cheap Labor". Read it and learn, instead of trying to pull an insta-fact out of your ass and acting like your opinion is fact/reality.

"Brasil has done quite well just the way it is.... Thank You very much!"

Really? I've been away from the country for a while now, maybe it's time to go back. You mean to say we have solved the unemployment, corruption, health & education crises and everything else and than now we can turn dollars away?
Coooool!! I'm coming back, babe!!

i still think americans exploit illegals. explain why this happens "If they are a detriment why american high society hires nanny to TAKE CARE OF THEIR CHILDREN and pay 1/3 they would pay an american nanny? without one single benefit!!!!!!!!"I'd really like to understand that.

Tropical Climate : yesss, but you are not the only country.

Otherwise Brazil is a Tropical s**t ! Yessss !
Look at the corruption at all levels of the society, non education, poor healthcare, poverty, hunger, millions of roads potholes as large as swimming pools and some as large as lagoons...with trees planted !
Look at your Justice that is Non existant, your Constitution written on toilet paper that is not applied.
You still have slaves.
Look at your crimes rates, one of the highest in the world.
You also have almost the world record for wealth inequality.
The world record for interests rates.
You also have almost the lowest economic growth rate. Ohh and also your pollution, you have only 10 % of sewage water treated, the rest goes to the rivers and the Ocean. Same for your garbage, 10 % treated, and the rest straight to landfills !

IS THIS YOUR PARADISE ????

THEN KEEP IF FOR YOU BUT PLEASE PLEASE DONT EXPORT THAT TOO !!!!

In the meantime, not many foreigners have a desire to immigrate in your country, but there are millions and millions of Brazilians who have only one dream : GET OUT OF THIS f**kING PARADISE !

The simple proof is the number of brazilians going elsewhere, either legally or ILLEGALLY for the majority !

KEEP THEM TOO !

SIMPLY STATED, NO ONE WANTS THEM !!!!

Please tell us first how much makes a Brazilian nanny in Brazil !!!! Then you can compare if it is good or not !

Secondly, please tell us why so many Brazilians women prefer to be nanny elsewhere rather than in their own country !!!!!

From what I know, no brazilian is obliged to come illegally here !!!! correct ?

Then why do they do so ????

Elsewhere is not a paradise either, but what is sure is that elsewhere, in the developed nations, it is far better than in your s**tty country !

Otherwise it would be the opposite for the flux of people and EU and US citizens would go illegally in Brazil as illegal workers or nannies !

But Brazil always criticize richa nations, but Brazil is far mor closed than other countries :
Do you accept illegals by the millions coming from Bolivia and poorers countries than Brazil ???? NOOOOOOOOO !

Then why do you always expect that other countries olpen their doors, but understand why you dont open more your own doors !

Curiously it is the same for Trade, you are not willing to open your closed doors for Industrial goods and financial services, but expect developed nations to buy more of your agriculture, despite that you already have a huge trade surplus with these countries !!!!

Is Trade a one way thing in your mind and culture ?
The same could be said for immigration and emigration !

Looks like you have only half a brain !

I had a BRazilian nanny once... She was great; she let me bend her over whenrever I wanted to. I say let Brazilians immigrate illegally to the US. THe woman are sooooooooo easy, I love it! Just a snap of the fingers and they're on their knees.

if you hired a brazilian nanny just to have her on heir knees, I suppose that you have no other way to seduce a woman from your own country. Are you that ugly, dirty, stinky and fat ?

I suppose that you dont even have kids !

Poor a*****e, you not only have half a brain, you have no balls either. You should be quite impotent, and that is why you can have only mouth pleasure, because your trick is only soft meat !!!!

Shame on you. It is because of people like you who hire cheap nannies to be your sexual object that you are hatred !


But have you already once in your life asked your partner what pleasure she had with you ?????

You better not ask, the answer is so obvious !

quote:

" still think americans exploit illegals. explain why this happens "If they are a detriment why american high society hires nanny to TAKE CARE OF THEIR CHILDREN and pay 1/3 they would pay an american nanny? without one single benefit!!!!!!!!"I'd really like to understand that."

LOL....are you people that stupid or just trying to get a reaction??

Firstly, of course there are groups, businesses, industries, that exploit illegals, that is a known fact!!

BUT, the argument that american NEEDS illegals, that they do jobs that americans won't do, that if we didn't have ILLEGALS that many of our industries would suffer as well as our economy.....DOES NOT HOLD WATER!!!

If all the illegals were removed from the U.S. today, the "bottom line" in the U.S. would INCREASE, not DECREASE.

quote:

"You also have almost the world record for wealth inequality."

No, brazil is WORLD CHAMPION of unequal distribution of income.

I can post another legitimate study, conducted by Brown University about this very topic.

There were numerous parameters that were studied, although in some parameters, 2 countries did worse than brazil, South Africa and Malawi(according to GINI coefficients and two countries in AFRICA), OVERALL when all parameters were weighed, Brazil is champion of unequal distribution of income.


quote:

"In the comparison of countries with similar average income, based on the Report

of Human Development (PNUD), Brazil presented percentages over 30% of poor, while
in the other countries the proportion was from 8 to 10%, what leads us to conclude that
there is major presence of Brazilian social inequality.

1.2. Unequal distribution of resources

The unequal distribution of resources is, thus, detached as the main determinant
for poverty in Brazil, especially income inequality that has been remaining for centuries
in surprising stability, one of the highest in the international comparison.

In the economical measurement of inequality, the traditional instruments are
usually the above-mentioned GINI coefficient; the THEIL index; the ratio between the
average income of the richest 10% and of the poorest 40%; the ratio between the
average income of the richest 20% and the average income of the poorest 20%4.

The international comparison with GINI coefficients reveals that only South
Africa and Malawi have degrees of inequality higher than Brazil’s, where it is 0.60. “...

it represents, in the group of 92 countries with available information, a pattern only
reached by the four countries with the highest degree of inequality: Guatemala, Brazil,
South Africa and Malawi.”5
About the ratio between the richest 10% and the poorest 40%, there is a certain
pattern in the international distribution with figures stretching to 20% at most. In Brazil
3 BARROS, MENDONÇA, HENRIQUES, 2000 – op. cit.,pp. 28 on.

4 BARROS, MENDONÇA, HENRIQUES, op.cit.

5 idem ibidem, p. 34.

it is 28, while in other countries it is lower: in the United States (5), France (6,5),

Argentina (10) and Colombia (15), Ivory Coast (20). The value of 28 times of the
average income of the richest 10% and of the poorest 40% puts Brazil in a distant
position from any recognizable pattern in international scene in terms of distributive
justice.

On what concerns the ratio between average income of the richest 20% and of
the poorest 20%, the majority of the countries presents this ratio under 10. Once again,
according to information given by the Report of Human Development of 1999 (PNUD),
Brazil is the country with the highest degree of inequality because the ratio between
average income of the richest 20% and the poorest 20% gets over the expanded value of
30, putting it in the singular position of champion of inequality."

I have been to Brazil several times and enjoyed it. But because of the visa requirement, I usually go to Europe on vacation. I live in a state served by the Brazilian Counsulate in Chicago. That Counsulate only gives 90 day visas to most Americans. So, I need a new visa for each vacaton in Brazil. Becuase of my work, most vacations are planned and taken at the 'last minute" It takes several days to get a visa, so my last minute vacations are spent in Europe instead of Brazil.
I like the beaches and climate in Brazil better than Europe, but most of my vacation dollars are spent in Europe, because they are "last minute" trips and I can fly to Europe without a visa, but can not fly to Brazil without one. - An American Tourist

that's not right. Tourist visas are good for several years, and good for 180 days per year, but only a maximum of 90 days per stay, although you can get an extension if you want to stay longer than the 90 day max per stay by simply going to the federal police department in the city in which you are staying in brazil.

One certainly doesn't have to get a new tourist visa every year. The last time I checked they were good for at least 5 years.

visa's are issued in either 5 yr or 90 day periods. Who gets what is determined by the Brazilian conculate,luck of the draw. In the past a five yr visa would be the norm, but recently it seems that the 90 day visas are the norm forceing alot of people to spend $100 every time they want to hop a jet to Brazil. Politcis a side I'm sure that this is a cash cow for the govt.

I've never heard of that in my life, the U.S. gov't. doesn't do that with brazilians, and its difficult for me to believe that brazilians are doing that to americans, I will confirm it though.

quote:

BUT, the argument that american NEEDS illegals, that they do jobs that americans won't do, that if we didn't have ILLEGALS that many of our industries would suffer as well as our economy.....DOES NOT HOLD WATER!!!

The point was not that americans; reds not b/c they are from Iowa but b/c they are selfish and arrogant and pretty mcuh hypocrytal and since the red states are attacked by this kind who consider themselves superiro smarter etc i say redneck withe anglo saxon, answering another post, need, but since you pointed..., but why people, not the evil organizations, exploit them? can't they pay fair salaries?

"The point was not that americans; reds not b/c they are from Iowa but b/c they are selfish and arrogant and pretty mcuh hypocrytal and since the red states are attacked by this kind who consider themselves superiro smarter etc i say redneck withe anglo saxon, answering another post, need, but since you pointed..., but why people, not the evil organizations, exploit them? can't they pay fair salaries? "

Worse. Writing. Ever.

Go back to school retard

because they put themselves in the position to be exploited...human nature.

Do you think that brazilians don't do the very same thing?? And not to illegals, but they're own legal citizens.

Just imagine if brazil had millions of illegals...LOL. That's why they don't!

hey brasil why are you exporting your social problems to us.surely you must realize that we are about to return to sender.

Hey, at least the guy tried. Can you do better in Portuguese?

brasil just another third world hell hole.dumping its criminals to the usa for illegal activities.

brasil just another third world hell hole.dumping its criminals to the usa for illegal activities.

quote:

BUT, the argument that american NEEDS illegals, that they do jobs that americans won't do, that if we didn't have ILLEGALS that many of our industries would suffer as well as our economy.....DOES NOT HOLD WATER!!!

The point was not that americans need illegals, but since you pointed..., but why people, not the "evil" organizations, exploit them? can't they pay fair salaries? "

answering another post: "translation for Brazilians: Redneck means: caipira,etc...

reds not b/c they are Americans from Iowa but b/c they are selfish and arrogant and pretty mcuh hypocrytal, and since the red states are attacked by this kind who consider themselves superior smarter etc i say redneck to white selfish arrogant obnoxious anglo saxons.

difficult, uh? your posts just confirm what I wrote

Hi,
I'm the guy that translated "redneck" to Portuguese as best as could be done (there's no direct translation). Could you please write what you're trying to say in Portuguese? It's totally incomprehensible in English.

what?? You have no idea what a redneck is obviously....are you making a new definition I guess?

And thanks for lumping 300 million together to blanketly describe us all.

I'll just call all brazilians macaccos.

I have an excellent idea what a redneck is, there are a lot of them around where I live (maybe I'm one too). There just isn't any direct translation into Portuguese. I came as close as I could.

You're saying that the U.S has 300 million cowboys, hicks, country bumkins, etc.? We know that isn't true.

It's spelled "macaco".

There's a street in my neighborhood named "Redneck Drive" (swear to God, it's true).

You know, this site was probably intended to promote better relations between the Brazil and the U.S. It seems like the opposite is what is actually happening. There are some very bitter people posting on this site for whatever reason. The few reasonable people that post on this site are being drowned out by those who are unreasonable and unreasoning )both American and Brazilian).

There is so much more to lfe than this!


I hope that all of the people of Brazil who read the posts on this site realize that the majority of posts from the U.S. side are not representative of the views of the majority of the people of the U.S.

"Also whose job is to determine changes in the law, the Ministry of Tourism, or the Ministry of Foreign Relations?" Are you on drugs???

Then we agree !

Wealth inequality or as you say :
brazil is WORLD CHAMPION of unequal distribution of income.

IS JUST THE SAME !

A true shame....Brazil !

Nothing works there, except corruption where they truly excel !

It is quite well known that the USA are the worst of all, they are the devils and USA is the hell !


CORRECT ??????


THEN WHY ARE ALL THE STUPID BRAZILIANS ALL WISHING TO GO THERE AND EVEN READY TO PAY A LOT OF MONEY TO STAY ILLEGALLY IN HELL WITH THE DEVILS ????????

Why do the stupid brazilian nannies choose to go to the USA ? Dont they have a better living and better wages....in Brazil ?

And to all the other Brazilians living in the Tropical Paradise, why dont you explain us with simple words how paradisiac is your country compared to the hell that the USA is ??????

- Better wages ? More easy to find a job ? Better education ? Better standard of living ?
Less corruption ? Better infrastructure ?
Less violence ? Less crimes ? Less insecurity ? Less bureaucracy ? Less red tape ? Less pollution ? Cleaner beaches ? Less poverty ? Less hunger ? Better housing ? Less income taxes ? Less import taxes ?

Someone should explain us what the differences are between Paradise and Hell !

Sooooooo simple !

redneck:
1. an offensive term for a white farm hand in the southern United States, especially one regarded as uneducated or aggressively prejudiced

2. an offensive term for somebody who is opposed to liberal social changes, especially somebody regarded as prejudiced

origin [Mid-19th century. < the sunburned necks of those who work outdoors in sunny climates]

quote "are you making a new definition I guess?"

I didn't know you people OWN the language as well, haha, unbelievable. yeah, it's a new def. and stands for people who consider themselves liberals, cool, open minded but are NOT! have the same prejudices as their fathers did...so they are redneks dressed up as liberals, don maybe there's a better word. what about just 'you' or 'your name....? what is your name btw?

For a moment came to my mind that maybe you are afraid that your country is going to be controled by the chicanos (like Mr. Alberto Gonzales) and the white people being the minority (as in NY) will lose their arrogance (not like NY)? you people have a lot to deal with....pathethic.

redneck:
1. an offensive term for a white farm hand in the southern United States, especially one regarded as uneducated or aggressively prejudiced

2. an offensive term for somebody who is opposed to liberal social changes, especially somebody regarded as prejudiced

origin [Mid-19th century. < the sunburned necks of those who work outdoors in sunny climates]

quote "are you making a new definition I guess?"

I didn't know you people OWN the language as well, haha, unbelievable. yeah, it's a new def. and stands for people who consider themselves liberals, cool, open minded but are NOT! have the same prejudices as their fathers did...so they are redneks dressed up as liberals, don maybe there's a better word. what about just 'you' or 'your name....? what is your name btw?

For a moment came to my mind that maybe you are afraid that your country is going to be controled by the chicanos (like Mr. Alberto Gonzales) and the white people being the minority (as in NY) will lose their arrogance (not like NY)? you people have a lot to deal with....pathethic.

"You know, this site was probably intended to promote better relations between the Brazil and the U.S. It seems like the opposite is what is actually happening. "

I am a Brazilian living in the USA with family here, in Brazil and in Europe and friends in many countries. In my family, we have Brazilians, Americans, Germans, Portuguese and Italians.

I agree with you, this site should be used to promote good relationship between Brazilians and the rest of the world. This war of words is going too far and producing nothing relevant or interesting.

I guess that some people cannot live without hating something…

It is a juvenile waist of time. What a shame!

I meant "waste of time".

quote: And thanks for lumping 300 million together to blanketly describe us all.

redneck= prejudiced phony liberals, ok? All Americans are these way??? never thought that way, but since you're saying it, i'll pay closer attention. You live there!!!!

Worse. Writing. Ever.

Go back to school retard

quote: I hope that all of the people of Brazil who read the posts on this site realize that the majority of posts from the U.S. side are not representative of the views of the majority of the people of the U.S.

not representative? you say 2/3 is not representative? taking out the chicanos, I'm not sure about that

quote: Nothing works there, except corruption where they truly excel !

No baby, no. I think current new phase Americans go through is hard and all but you're going a bit too far saying that. and maybe you're projecting your impressions about your own country? That ain't true either, there are things working in both countries, midia is not that omnipotent. you think that way?
life IS bigger.

qoute: Why do the stupid brazilian nannies choose to go to the USA ? Dont they have a better living and better wages....in Brazil ?
Can't you people answer a single straight question? I have real doubts about it in the current situation...
why rich people, not abstract entities such as the "evil" corporations that are only formed by human beings, (are you following or do I need to be less complex?), EXPLOIT, very straightly state, weaker people???
sons of a bitch, is a correct name?
are you sure you think brazilian women are easy, now? I don't think you can deal with one and make them happy through life.Do any of you share my doubts?

Education ? Infrastructure ? Good wages ? good standard of living for the majority of population ? Good security or insecurity ? Laws applied or impunity prevails ?

Is Brazil not the most violent country on earth ? Dont you have 50 % of all 15/24 youths deaths coming from....violent crimes ? Noooo ? why dont you scroll the regular news in this site, there were several artircles recently with statistics.

Dont you have 45 % of the whole population under nourrished, namely 72 millions with noT enough food, and 14 millions in hunger ? Read the news here just a few days ago !
Quite strange then that you can export so much agriculture before feeding FIRST your own population !

What is the country name that abolished slavery around 120 years ago but still have slaves today ????
BRAZIL !!!
Who is exploiting Bolivian Gas by paying 50 % BELOW the International market price ? BRAZIL ! AND THEN YOU THREATEN Bolivia!

Please tell the world what is going WELL in Brazil, except corruption !!!!




Pleaaaase do ! We are ready.....

Sorry but 99 % of Brazilians requesting a VISA to enter the USA are not students or too old to be student.
They want to go to the USA because they see a better future there, while they dont see anything from their own country !

Saying it differently is simply a lie ! And you know it !

Simple as that !

I am a Brazilian legally living in the USA.

Although I agree with you regarding many of the Brazilian issues you have listed, I have to disagree with the tone of your message.

Of course, few Brazilians would deny our social problems we are facing in Brazil. However, you are exaggerating in your statements.

Of course, there are things going well in Brazil. The economy is not doing so badly or otherwise the international investors would not be pouring some much money in Brazil.

Brazil has corruption and lack of quality education, yes, and because of that all Brazilians should see everything else as bad?

Please, present your arguments with integrity.

There are many issues in Europe and North America. Here in the USA, for example, the social security is doing very bad, thank you very much, and you probably know that. The Medicare is a joke and there is corruption in the government. The police force, once in while shows sign of deficiency and discrimination. In the city where I live the Sheriff has been accused of sexual harassment. Of course, in Brazil we have far worse situation but this is to show you how things can be deceptive. The US is not free of social, political and economic problems mainly caused by bad management. The American people, to join my compatriots in the trend, have demonstrated also bad judgment in choosing their leaders lately. Actually, the problem seems to be worldwide.

I do not want to participate in this dumb war between Brazilians and Americans here because I know that our roof is very fragile and I would loose the battle. You would win easily.

Say 99% foreign braz students are not really students is an exaggeration! (comment: you people, Americans, like to exaggerate almost everything in my opinion…rolled eyes up). I know several people who went there for high-school. Intercâmbio, how it’s called the program in which one lives abroad to live with an international family and attend the country’s school, is very popular in our tupiniquim lands. I never met a person who went to another country to live & study besides US. Then, there are the university students, post graduate students, the MBI students, PHDs students. Some are financed by public educational system to fulfill a post grad degree there in, where?... Us! and… they come back to Brazil. University of Michigan, Standford, etc…Many professionals in Brazil have an American educational certify. Ever heard of that?

I Don’t think anyone here said brazil is a paradise and the us is a hell. Calm down. We don’t see things That black and white.

The best universities in Brazil are public ones. Something works here quite well, you see? Nowadays, they are including several rules to make the public universities more accessible to people who studied in public high schools. The system to get in these universities is merit. Changing subject for a while, more examples later. I think Brazilians shouldn’t go else where to achieve a better material life. It’s just an opinion. On the other hand, foreigners all over the world historically exploit other countries’ resources. That’s the reason why the first world war happened, commercial competition among countries who competed for the rich resources of the African countries! British and American finance organizations screw a lot of times Brazilian industrialization in the end of eighteenth and the beginning of the ninth century. Portuguese found Brazil, and Spain Latin America, remember? These Brazilians who go there to live illegally are part of the weakeast chain of all the system. Treating them badly is not smart. Also people get too pessimist here about the politicians…nihilism is a serious issue.

I have to add that I also think it's great you people tell to the Brazilians the shameful reality Brazil produces.I think some of you may be trying to do a good action shouting open wide the infamous brazil facts and being available for debating, Brazilians look a lot to Americans as role models. IT IS NOT EASY talking the negatives of brazilians to brazilians. telling them issues they feel impotent about, who's eager for disconfort? probably the ones who want to grow, then tks for that,

How much time lost in this s**tty debate! Don't you have anything better to do??

It's too bad such an informative article has brought about this kind of forum. Instead of using the information to learn about things and form a personal opinion on the subject, people are just spitting up hate.
I for one loved the article, it has given me light and now I have my opinion. Yes, it seems like a good thing for Brazil to wave visas for Americans, because they are number 2 tourists in Brazil (Argentinians being number 1). It would be good for the economy.
As for the problems Brazilians now have to come to the US, spending money and being denied visas (except for the rich ones with lots of money, of course), it is a subject that shoud be approached diplomatically by Brazilian authorities.
And last, but not least, congratulations to Ms. Porto on the article.

Some of the "reciprocal" things that it is said Brazil is doing, they really aren't. I was told I would be fingerprinted and photographed upon entering Brazil, but it never happened. I was told I could only get a 90-day visa, but I got one for five years. I'm glad that the reality was not equal to the hype, since I enjoyed my week in Brazil and want to come back again soon.

Now my friend that I traveled with, he only got a 90-day visa his first couple of trips to Brazil. Maybe they were just being careful because he has a felony criminal conviction (a stupid case of "computer crime" that really wasn't). At least Brazil let him in; he cannot go to Canada at all, since they do not allow foreign felons to enter the country.

"Reciprocal" immigration laws only hurt the average people, the tourists. Do you think the US government cares that Brazil is forcing US residents to pay the same visa fee as Brazilians coming to the US? Taking such punitive steps only cuts back on Brazilian tourism. The cost of the visa wasn't much for me, but it could be for others.

How much time lost in this s**tty debate! Don't you have anything better to do??

the fact is that I'm working too much. (imbechile!)

"crazy nationalists"
It always helps ones argument to resort to name calling, Can someone give me a definition of a Nationalist?
If each and EVERY country in this globe we ALL share did some serious soul searching, all would find their own blemishes. Is it really that difficult for everyone to understand?!?!
I haven’t enough room here to post each counties wrong doings. It is much less work to discuss intellectual solutions. Shall we leave the name calling to the schoolchildren?

“Rudeness is the weak man’s imitation of strength.”

The Brazilian visa has been a big pain for me. The visa has to be stamped in Brazil within 90 days of issue, and the airlines are afraid of letting passengers without a valid visa on the plane because they can be fined $10,000 by Brazil. On my second trip to Brazil, the airline wouldn't let me on the flight because the stamp from the first trip was light and the ticket agents had trouble reading the entry date and didn't want to risk the airline getting fined. I had to pay $200 to fly to Los Angeles to go to the consulate because the airline insisted that I needed a new visa. I lost two days of my trip in addition to the waste of money and effort. I even got sick because the additional trip to LA and the stress tired me out.

Nowadays, to get a visa it is necessary to hire a visa agency to take your visa to the consulate (unless you live near one) since the consulates won't give a visa through the mail. So it actually costs $150 or more to get a visa. You also have to purchase your ticket before applying for the visa which makes planning a trip more complicated. If I didn't really like the Brazilian people (I speak Portuguese) and see advantages to investing there, I would be turned away by the visa process.

Even before the problems in Sao Paulo, I think that security has been a bigger issue for tourism in Brazil than visas are.

I've been going to Brazil for about 15 years, and for years I've been trying to get my wife to go with me. She has refused so far because she is concerned about whether it's safe to go. I heard the same thing from other prospective tourists. There has been a lot of bad publicity about Brazil.

I also speak Portuguese, and over the years have talked with many people in Brazil from all levels, from common workers to the wealthy. I ask them about what their concerns are, what they want for the future, and what they think about Brazil and it's future. Always it's the same response. The number one concern is about security. Some of the rich people who live in the walled compounds have told me that they feel like they are living in a prison. Some of the poor people tell me that they feel like they are living in a war zone (lately some have told me that being in Iraq is probably safer). The number two concern seems to be the quality education, or more specifically, the lack of high quality education that is generally available.

Whatever is done about the visas, I think that Brazil will have difficulty with increasing tourism significantly until the security issues have been addressed, both for tourists, and more importantly, for the people of Brazil.

By the way, I agree completely with the previous post: "Getting a visa IS a big deal!".

quote:

"redneck= prejudiced phony liberals, ok? All Americans are these way??? never thought that way, but since you're saying it, i'll pay closer attention. You live there!!!!

Worse. Writing. Ever.

Go back to school retard"


HAHAHAHAHAHA!!!

WHO IS TELLING WHO TO "GO BACK TO SCHOOL???"

"ALL AMRERICANS ARE "THESE" WAY???

IT'S "ALL AMERICANS ARE "THIS" WAY YOU f**kING ILLITERATE!!!!

NOT...THEEEEESE, LIKE YOU STUPID f**kS PRONOUNCE IT!!!

T-H-I-S!!! THIS!

QUOTE:

"There are many issues in Europe and North America. Here in the USA, for example, the social security is doing very bad, thank you very much, and you probably know that. The Medicare is a joke and there is corruption in the government. The police force, once in while shows sign of deficiency and discrimination. In the city where I live the Sheriff has been accused of sexual harassment."

OK, let's take these one by one...first of all, social security is being paid...to EVERYONE that qualifies...what you're stating, is PROJECTIONS....IF the U.S. doesn't make changes in the social security program, in the next TWENTY years, there will be problems....time enough for changes to be made...and they will be made, the american public will demand it.

Medicare....there are major problems there...and you know what??? Because we're giving f**king medicare benefits to mutherf**king ILLEGAL IMMIGRANTS!!! Now you make sense of that!!! People that don't even have the RIGHT to be in the country are recieiving benefits from the american government!!!! Everyone thinks the U.S. is the f**king RedCross...a charitable foundation!!! Do you think ILLEGALS receive social services in country's like brazil???? LMAO!!!

Corruption in the american gov't.?? Well, there's corruption in ALL governments!! But it's certainly not a PLAUGE of corruption as exists in brazil and is "business as usual"!

And, the police force shows signs of deficiency and discrimation??? First of all, these things happen in ALL countries, but it's very minimal in the U.S. compared to interantional standards....and sexual discrimation????? What a baffoon!!! Sexual discrimation is a PLAUGE in the U.S.!! If a man looks at a women in a certain way he can be ACCUSED of sexual discrimation....that doesn't mean he's guilty, and it certainly doesn't mean that anything wrong took place.....imagine if they had a sexual discrimation law in brazil, where women could be compensated when sexual inuendos and passes are made!!!! There would be 1000 cases per DAY!!!!


For someone that supposedly "lives" in the U.S.....you're trying to compare the reality there with the reality here??? In Brazil???? If so, you're only showing your ignorance!!!

quote:

" I was told I could only get a 90-day visa, but I got one for five years."

This is the SECOND time I've seen a statement like this.....BRAZIL..nor ANY COUNTRY ON EARTH ONLY GIVES VISAS FOR 90 DAYS!!!!

The visa is good for 90 days PER STAY, but a tourist visa is valid for YEARS!!! Normally 5-10 years!!!

NO COUNTRY ON THIS PLANET GIVES A TOURIST VISA THAT EXPIRES AFTER 90 DAYS!!

QUOTE:

"Maybe they were just being careful because he has a felony criminal conviction (a stupid case of "computer crime" that really wasn't)"

LMAO!!! WELL YEAH!! IF YOU'RE A CONVICTED FELON THE RULES CHANGE!!! AS THEY SHOULD!

If you're American, try licensing a car in Brazil! You can't! You can't buy one in Brazil, nor can you bring your own for more than 90 days!

The defacto language for comments on this web site is English. The Brazilians who make posts on this site are at a disadvantage because English is usually not their first language. So, it would seem that they deserve the common courtesy of not expecting their English to be perfect. After all, there are many errors in the posts here even by persons who have English as their first language.

So, before making possibly hurtful comments about the language abilities of someone who has posted a comment, maybe we English-speakers should all ask ourselves "Could I write such a comment in Portuguese any better that this person has written it in English?".

YOU MOTHERf**kER'S WANT TO GO TO BRAZIL AND f**k OUR YOUNG GIRLS AND ALL THAT GOOD STUFF RIGHT? HAHA... DEAL WITH IT... IF YOU'RE ONE OF THE PEOPLE THAT GOES TO BRAZIL BECAUSE YOU LOVE OUR CULTURE.. THANK YOU. BUT IF YOU'RE NOT THEN DEAL WITH IT!!! AND I HOPE YOU CATCH SOMETHING YOU f**kING PERVERTS!!!

just curiosity
can you get any creepier? You are to be forgoten zzzz ops a mistake!

thinking better, maybe, probably that's a true.

All of the Visa Baloney only keeps government workers with busy work. How about open & free migration for all people in the Western Hemisphere. Free markets & Freem movement, life is good!!!

i love brazil. i woudn't have a problem either way. if their wasn't a visa requirement i would go more often.

Again with the mudslinging. Once an argument degenerates into name calling the debate loses all credibility.
Just to throw a left hook into this debates...why would Brazil require a Visa from Canadians travelling there? I had to stand in line twice to get my Visa. It wasn't the money, just the time that bothered me. And I am lucky that the consulate is in Toronto, two blocks from my gym!
I know dozens of Brazilians living here and in London. About half are illegal. I've been to Brazil, and arguments about whose crime rate or poverty is worse is a waste of time: when there are walled homes even in small towns, you know there is a problem. I can walk right up to the door of $3 million dollar homes in Toronto's Rosedale neighborhood, and it is only a foot bridge away from Canada's highest population density, St. Jamestown.
Brazil is an amazing country, but the crime and poverty is heart-wrenching. I felt safe walking around Sao Paulo, Rio, Salvador, Joao Passoa, but I was with a Brazilian friend. I wouldn't want to to do it alone, for fear of wandering into the wrong neighborhood.
A lot of the illegals I know here have gone back to Brazil because Canada is not the lotusland as promised. First of all, our climate sucks, but as an illegal they can only hope to make $5 to $8 an hour, and our cost of living is much higher.

Too bad some really sick people keep writing here. Guess they have nothing else to do. But asides from that, this is a really fine and informative article and I can see that some people really enjoyed reading it. Like I did.
Congrats to the author.

brasil im sorry for both of us.we are oceans apart! a good begining would be to stem the tide of your law breaking illegals here.!! When we receive respect. Then it will be reciprocated!!! STOP YOUR SMUGGLERS.STOP YOUR DOCUMENT FRAUD STOP YOUR MONEY LAUNDERS.STOP YOUR ATTIUDE OF THINKING YOU ARE ENTITLED TO OUR SOCIALSERVICES USING FALSE IDENTITY.THE LINE IS DRAWN DONT DELUDE YOURSELF.YOU CAN FOOL SOME AMERICANS SOME OF THE TIME BUT NOT ALL AMERICANS ALL THE TIME.WE ARE THE MOST POWERFUL NATION ON EARTH FOR A REASON> AND HAVING MANY JEALOUS OF US GOES WITH THAT STATUS.

I agree and agree. People shouldn’t stay anywhere illegal, shouldn’t fraud documents shouldn’t feel they are entitled to social services, shouldn’t even marry, although I’ve heard some Americans negotiate their “status” for $5000 or more, or they used to in less rough times for illegality like the 90’s I’d say? You want respect? Americans SHOULDN’T employ these “evil” people. Shouldn’t offer them jobs, use their work force, their youth, strength, abilities without giving them in return! This is called hypocrisy! You take, you give back! That’s not what happened and is not what is happening! These people have tough times out there, taking out the bad living conditions, they are overworked, many have two jobs, badly paid, they have got no benefit, they are considered second class citizens, they are not considered as people who work and live there, they are PREJUDICED all the time, they are diminished… They don’t have rights to be there but don’t give them jobs! jobs! jobs! So they won’t feel entitle to their RIGHTS! The truth is I got surprised when I saw Americans supporting Bush’s administration goals about it. Some people have lived around these people for years, a life, and that’s what they get in return? These attitudes just show the world the arrogance, hypocrisy of Americans, not only of their Leader. And more, it shows how Americans can be greedy and selfish. I’m disappointed but should say I feared this reaction. Don’t give them jobs and these people will leave your country. Jealous? I can admire some stuff in your country but not everything. Jealous only if I got a boyfriend who is in demand.

JOBS = RIGHTS

DON'T GIVE THEM JOBS AND THEY WILL LEAVE RIGHT AWAY. But unfortunately, I think the damage is done. And I hope you fix it, be grateful with the people who were useful and control your borders.Good luck!!

...in demand by women, what else reds?

People shouldn´t stay anywhere illegal, shouldn´t fraud history, shouldn´t feel they are entitled to kill other countries citizens.

Nurses, technicians, scientists can go tu ths us and work freely. They are welcome. They can make the us progress. They can bring profit to the already fat americans.
It doen´st matter whether they spent personal and public billions on becoming professionals .
It doesn´t matter whether these billions were so necessary to the origin countries (undeveloped countries), like Mexico, Pakistan, India, Brazil , Central America satellites.
It doens´t matter whether they are going to be confined in cublicles for 14 hours a day in a semi-slavery. regime.
It doesn´t matter, ......

It doens´t matter whether ....
It just doesn´t matter ....

Hey, read this week´s issue of The Village Voice. !!! Don´t miss it.

us is a super fart. It is a very powerful dream (dream come through- irk.)
In the us you can find a great deal of sheeps. They are so sheepish that they believe everything the sheepherders tell them.
They are happy and fat, many of them are obese, so differently from what the rich
fat elite show in their propaganda films .
Some of the sheeps are no good. They are black sheeps and should be eliminated. They insist on not listening to our wonderful leaders. They write
bad things about the us and they are very bad. So that you can know who some of them are I tell you their names. But, I warn you, beware, don´t believe them. They are false and distort the words of the marvellous herdsmen.
- Nat Hentoff, Bill Bryson, William Safire, John Pilger, Noam Chomsky. The latter one is very nasty. I don´t believe what he says. He has unamerican ideas and whenever he has a chance he tries to impede the progress of the Super fart us.

People are jealous of the Super fart us, but the reasons are evident. They are jealous because the Super Fart us is so powerful.
Long live all the sheeps of this Super Fart us Power.

As I always say " AUA " .

I think disgusting to see those very young, decaying Canadian girls and boys hanging around downtown Toronto begging for money to get marijuana.

I was surprised at seeing those very young cute poor girls at Quebec´s restaurants doors talking the passerby into going inside. It reminded me of
the SAARA streets in Rio.

It was a surprise to find out what the Canadians call " a farm " is just some small estate not larger than l " a sítio ". No trouble about this, but the world is full of misundertandings.

It was a surprise to find out that Canadians don´t like Americans, as well Americans despise Canadians.

It was a surprise to hear the guide say that the Canadian film industry is the biggest in the world. He was not drunk , I think.

It was a surprise when I noticed that it was the third time the tourist bus was passing in front of the very same cemetery in Montreal. Each time it did the guide informed us that it was a " very nice cemetery ".

It was a big surprise to discover that the guides were sooo eager to get tips from the visitors. They would not let us forget that " they were doing a good job" and so deserved to be rewarded. At the last day, in Montreal, the guides insisted that we should get together for a farewell c**ktail at the hotel lounge. To my surprise, they openly talked the tourists into tipping them.
That really was a big surprise and gave everybody present a very bad impression of their working conditions.

I had previously been visiting an old fort on the way from Montreal to Quebec. There were artists staging the old days. They were dressing old uniforms. Very interesting, but that eagerness for tips was clearly apparent. Distressing...
Many years ago I was a tourist guide for some time in Rio. I never saw any of our guides behave like that.

It was a big surprise when I mentioned to the guide that I had been approached by two young girls ( there were many to be seen) on the street. They were asking for money. They had had drugs .
I told him I didn´t expect to see that in Canada. He was a very nationalistic young man according to his discourse on the bus. He replied that " human nature" was responsible for the girls predicament.
That answer reminded me the way his British ancestors.react at some situations.

Canada is a nice country.

The point is that foreigners (like you) feel free to criticize Brasil, and always forget, hide, ignore, similar or worst conditions at their own home.

It was not a surprise to find out that going from Montreal to Quebec you can´t find botanical diversity. There was a shopping place on the road where they sold several things on -- apple and maple-Apple syrup, apple sweets, apple handicraft, apple this, apple that.
Canadian is very poor as far as botanical diversity is concerned , I supposed.
I dare say ( mind this) that my home frontyard and backyard are far, far, richer on this subject than the whole area I rode by for many , many hours.

What were you saying about Brazil...?

Thanks.
It is confortable having people to speak and write your own language .
Acquiring the knowledge to speak(write) a foreign language
demands, money, time, intelligence, consecrating attention, and patience.
Thanks. It was opportune.

Just open your today´s ( any day ) newspapers issues.
You will turn into a PHD on corruption.- If you are a half-intelligent guy --

It is so clear. Just read the newspapers, the magazines, the billboards, the form the us embassy gives you to fill out, anything American(almost anything). You can´t miss the truth on them. If you cannot see, ask your neighbor.
America is a boat full of holes with a crew of fools , innocents
and big grey wolves.

Warning: Never take the American films seriously.
Besides dumbing you down
you may get busted or shot or stabbed or poisoned or they will make you think American women are sooo nice, slim, decent, and... wanton.
They deserve the stupid illegals they have.

America is good but it is a s**t.
Brazil is a s**t but it is good

quote:

"JOBS = RIGHTS "

LOL....you're not that stupid are you??

If brazil had millions of illegal poor people from paraguay and bolivia do you not think that there would be many brazilians taking advantage of the situation?? Afterall, look at how brazilians themselves are exploited....350 reais per month minimum salary? One of the lowest minimum wages on the planet? Imagine the conditions and pay that millions of poor illegals would be subjected to in brazil.....that's exactly why countries like brazil don't have millions of illegals.

Those that employ illegals in the U.S. should be prosecuted and punished, to the fullest extent of the law, I agree with you there.

"If brazil had millions of illegal poor people from paraguay and bolivia do you not think that there would be many brazilians taking advantage of the situation?? "

I bet many Brazilians would take advantage but I am not all Brazilians and if they did, like many Americans do, the problem would knock on their doors. Just like with the PCC mafia in SP and the drug traffic gangs take over RJ. The only point of observation is that innocesnts can hear their knocks too.

""JOBS = RIGHTS "

LOL....you're not that stupid are you?? "



Besides are you some kind of nazi? or uncivilized? Don't you have any principle of state, legallity, society and democracy after all the legacy the west inherited? Or do those things serve only to you and your people but not to different people? peolple other than you and your people? other nations as well? With all the History the west has you can say that, you can say that African countries, LA countries, Asian countries has nothing to do with that. Very typical. Brazilians are Brazilian like you or other said and the world is the world for good sake. Read about Brazilians, but choose insightful books.

wanton?? what's wanton?

In Brazil, it's true that

Jobs = Rights

That is not true of many other countries of the world, including the U.S.

The mindset that "Jobs=Rights" makes for a lot of hidden costs when you hire someone in Brazil. Also, there seems to be an attempt by the government to make up for a low minimum wage with a lot of mandatory benefits. In the U.S., the pay is higher but the mandatory benefits are much less.

People need to understand a very basic, simple set of circumstances and situation.

If you are in another country ILLEGALLY you do not have "rights", you have human rights, but you certainly don't have legal rights in that country. You don't have the right to work, you don't have the right to go to school, you don't have the right to be there! The only right you have is to leave.

Just because someone gives an illegal a job, that employer has broken the law, as well as the employee by being in that country illegally.

You have to love all these bleeding-heart leftists that cry, and many demand, for their "rights" in a country where they have NO RIGHT to be!

It's good but I'm afraid that this thing will cause many problems and when they want to do something it would be too late

"If you are in another country ILLEGALLY you do not have "rights", you have human rights, but you certainly don't have legal rights in that country. You don't have the right to work, you don't have the right to go to school, you don't have the right to be there! The only right you have is to leave."

well, ok that is right and decent says this bleeding-heart leftist.I hope human rights keep working there.

"It doen´st matter whether they spent personal and public billions on becoming professionals "

Public resources paid by them too in heavy doses. Also just b/c you received familial support you cannot do whatever you want, take care of your own life? That sounds to be a punishment, repression , censorship by this commentator.

if you are in the usa illegaly the only right you have is to get your law breaking fraudulent documenting ass the hell out

if you are in the usa illegaly the only right you have is to get your law breaking fraudulent documenting ass the hell out

ILLEGALS MUST PREPARE TO JUMP OVER THE WALL OF CHINA - OOPS , - BERLIN WALL -, OOPS AGAIN.
Sorry, I mean US WALL.

Illegals work hard , putting long hours. Immigration , legal or illegal, keep the US constantly renewed by strams of hardworking people, desperate to succeed. Science laboraties in America are more than helf filled with foreign students and immigrants. WITHOUT THEM, AMERICA´S LEADERSHIP POSITION IN THE SCIENCES WOULD COLLAPSE.
That is whay the US alone among industrial nations, has been able lto do the nearly impossible: renew its power and stay at the top.

strams -- read streams
laboraties -- read laboratories
helf -- read half
whay -- read why
ito -- read to

quote:


"Science laboraties in America are more than helf filled with foreign students and immigrants."

I'd like to see where you got those statistics, because I can show you where 90% of the college student population in the U.S. are american.

Blame it on Newsweek, June, 2006.

America is going down the tubes, and the worst part is nobody knows. (Just like you).

well, if that's true, then the rest of the world is f**ked. Because there's not too many countries that are doing better than the U.S. and independant of them.

I am a Canadian from the beautiful city of Vancouver, Brith Columbia. I have read almost all of the posts on here and I am truly very sad at the amount of hatred for man kind that I have been reading on here! I have been to both the U,S. and Brasil and I think that they are both great country's! I would not want to move from where I live but I would welcome anyone who wanted to move here.
It is sad to see the state that Brasil is in with the poverty and crime etc. but America is not so much better off they are just better at sweaping it under the carpet so the rest of the world doesn't get a good look at it. Canada is far from perfect as a few fellow posters have noted. Here in Vancouver we have the riches neighborhood in Canada as well as the poorest with many homeless people living in the streets begging for money and food. My point is that the problems of Brasil are not their own but all of ours just to different dergrees. Instead of name calling and finger pointing we should be working together to solve these problems in our country's.We are all human and belong together not seperated by borders or class.
I hope that we can all learn to get along and help one another.

Much Love and respect to all my American and South American neighbors.

once again america has defeated its opponent ! like a little barking annoying dog it has silenced this pest to a mere annoyance by rendering it to ignore status.

if you are in the usa illegally the only rights you have is to LEAVE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

quote:

"Instead of name calling and finger pointing we should be working together to solve these problems in our country's."

That's exactly what the U.S. is doing apostle paul.

Believe me, you guys are just starting to get a small taste of it in Canada...but just wait until the illegal population reaches 12-20 million, they start burning canadian flags in massive rallies, take jobs from canadians and lower the existing minimum wage, use social services such as health care and education that you the taxpayer will pay for and your child will be subjected to a 2nd rate education because large portions of the day are spent teaching the language of your country!!!

I'm sorry, but respect received is respect given. And these illegals aren't, at a minimum, respecting the law!

The U.S., as all countries, isn't big into importing criminals and poverty.

Try living in California for a week and you will be running from here like a bat out of hell. The illegals have taken over the state, don't give a sh-t about walking all over Americans, are very militant and demanding as if we are supposed to solve their problems and not their own governments.

America has its own share of homeless and poor that the US govt does not care about. We are not this sh-t rich country of unlimited wealth as so many illegals think. We are a nation like any other struggling to cope with our own problems. I know. I know. Most of you believe that there is no true poverty in the States. That even the poor wear Armani and Prada and drive Bentleys. Not true. The US govt cares little about social welfare. Most of the budget goes into the military spending not on child care, education, health care.

I would rather live in Europe or Canada than the States. At least you get subsidized day care and some other socialist goodies. Try living under rampant capitalism and having your job go to the highest bidder.

America can't solve it's own problems much less try and solve the problems of any other nation. Instead of rallying and demonstrating down the streets of America, illegals need to stay home and rally down the streets of their home countries and fight for their rights like the American people have to do against the US govt.

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"That's exactly what the U.S. is doing apostle paul."
No, what the U.S. is doing is invaiding other countries and trying to make them into little U.S. of A's
Canada does have the problems of illegel population using our social systems and having to allocate scarce resources in our school systems to teach these people English or French. We have even a worse problem here in Canada the the U.S. does not suffer as much of, the Canadian government allows thousands of people to legally immagrate to this country who cannot speak English and our a drain on our resources. At least the U.S. government does not do this. I commend them for that. But back to the issue of visa's needed for entry...sorry Brasil but I think that they are needed to enter the U.S. or Canada. There are many reasons for you to stay in these countries and never go home but this isn't much reason for U.S. or Canadian citizens to stay in Brasil. Brasil is a great country but one better to visit than to live in. If you would like to live elsewhere then apply for immagration to that country like everybody else must do but don't go there expecting to be taken care of.

I am printing your words to show to many of your countrymen. Of course, I believe you and even sympathize with you for these problems. However the American propaganda machine invades all (??) countries and sells a wonderful virtual world called America. Most people don´t or can´t have the real picture and believe the propaganda. Too bad, isn´t it?

Canada is a large country and has not many inhabitants. Each country has a different problem. You can let people in, but the problem will not be only yours because Canada will choose to have qualified people and this is just what developing countries need most. It is very expensive to prepare an engineer, scientists, business experts, etc., you know.
Well, losing a qualified citizen to a first world country after spending public and private money on him/her is bad politics.
Oresently , America lacks thousands of nurses. Solution: Let them legally enterthe country. They will come from developing countries (India, China, Brazil, etc.) Who cares...?

Despite all problems Brazil is a wonderful place to live in, believe me. I was not born rich, but I worked a lot and now I live confortably, just like a citizen of Canada or the US. My family has a very good education and this is going to be passed on to my grandsons and granddaughters. We are honest people and respect the law. We travel and we learn.

Please, don´t take a country for the bad citizens it harbours. Brazil has 186 million inhabitants. Could them all be miserables , stupid and/or law transgressors?
Watch out for the bad press.

When you are three years old you start watching Barney´s show, Goofy, Donald Duck, and some other American heroes.
When you get to be six years old your school notebooks depict Batman, Super heroes, super cars ...
If your parents can afford, you have a super cereal (Corn Flakes, Brans., Cream crackers..), and you drink Toddy, or malted milk for breakfast.You brush your teeth with Kolynos toothpaste.
When you become a teenager you attend an English course and all five-year textbooks teach you the marvellous landscapes of America, will tell you how friendly Americans are, how progressive and peaceful the American people is, and how..., how...., how....
By that time you also get to know that the American pop music is "cool" and you can´t miss it.
You can´t also miss every new weekly film on the movies .(Wonderful slim girls, intelligent, sexy, so elegant...)
The forty-year old pop music follows you to supermarkets, dentists´offices, etc. etc.
Evening TV is a must. You watch the daily killing of Iraq bad, real bad guys by the heroic american marines
Well, now my friend, what can you expect from these uneducated people who try to invade the US territory?

Wrong answer. You have another chance. Read Newsweek magazine and see what reasoning they have.
One more chance: Be humble.

" Head south of the Rio Grande and you will inevitably find yourself in a lawleess world of sadistic gang members and elaborately moustachioed drug barons, where the water is not safe to drink and every action unfolds against a huanting soundtrack of pan pipes.--- That, at least, is the Hollywood version of Latin America.

http://film.guardian.co.uk/news/story/0,,1790488,00.html
06/05/2006 (The Guardian = UK newspaper)

PLEASE, READ : HAUNTING

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"We are honest people and respect the law. We travel and we learn.

Please, don´t take a country for the bad citizens it harbours. Brazil has 186 million inhabitants. Could them all be miserables , stupid and/or law transgressors? "

Listen, I know that honest people do exist in brazil, I know a few, and I'm assuming you're talking about you and your family....good for you!

But, I would in no way, shape, or form, characterize brazilian people as a whole as being "honest", or use words like "integrity", in a general sense. I'm not meaning to degrade anyone here, but speaking in general terms, brazil and brazilians are not known as being an "honest" people. And, I know this from many years of experience.

There was just an article here yesterday that showed where 77% of ALL municipalities in this country participate in corrupt, illicit acts. Now, some may say that those are only the politicians, but it's not only the politicians, it's people that work inside government agencies, local, state, or federal. The vast majority here that see an opportunity to put a few extra bucks in their pocket normally do so, whether it's illegal, immoral, or not.

But this attitude of corruption has spread like a virus to the general population. Many here in brazil do look to take advantage of people, and if they see a gringo coming their eyes light up like a lion when seeing a pack of zebras. Instead of just doing business, making a profit, the normal profit they would make off of anyone else, a huge percentage of people in brazil look to take the gringo to "the cleaners". This is a common attitude in brazil. It is not a common attitude in many countries. And, when those handful of honest brazilians that you do meet, or do business with, other brazilians will tell him he's stupid because he didn't financially rape you ten ways from sunday!

We don't need Americans here. European tourists spend more and have more cultural background. They don't come here saying: Hablo español, e tu, or mi casa su casa~!?

ive managed to spend quite a bit of time in brasil, and absolutely love it. so there is some poverty, some crime, some corruption, some visa related difficulties there, but lets not cast stones. someone was calling lula corrupt, as if bush isnt. it seems most of the "rednecks" in the states have all found their way to this discussion. bending over nannies...come on, im embarassed.

fact of the matter is, its a beautiful country, with beautiful people (inside and out), who arent afraid to charge reciprocal visa fees. isnt that what started this ridiculous debate? of all the brasilians ive met, many would love to visit the states, but very few want to stay. sure, the idea of living in the uk for a few years to build up my bank account sounds enticing, but then id have to...live in the uk. no thanks. i think the same applies here.

all you necks that have a problem should just stay up north, i hate runnin into ya'll at my favorite brasilian watering holes anyway. you can pick up latin prostitutes in tons of other countries. i dont think costa rica requires a visa...

and ps...camundonga, although their currencies are stronger right now and they might spend more money, europe has its rednecks too. i cannot count the times some young, rich, drunk european with tacky clothes and over-styled hair has asked me how to get to HELP. how can a kid living on the streets of rio not want to rob those types, or want to sneak into a country whose economy makes it possible to eat well, get wasted, and sleep with 3 women a night in asia, russia, latin america, etc. are more of us taking advantage of illegals at home, or the unfortunate abroad?

IF YOU ARE ILLEGAL IN THE USA THE ONLY RIGHTS YOU HAVE IS TO .LEAVE!!!!!!!!!! YOU ARE SUBJECT TO : A FINE IMPRISONMENT AND DEPORTATION!!!!!!! IT IS OUR LAW AND IT IS OUR RIGHT!!!!!!!!!!

ANYONE WHO ASSISTS,HARBORS,TRAFFICS,IN ILLEGAL ALIENS IS COMMITTING A FEDERAL OFFENSE! AND IS SUBJECT TO SEVERE PENALTIES TO INCLUDE IMPRISONMENT!!

ANYONE WHO KNOWINGLY HIRES A ILLEGAL ALIEN IS SUBJECT TO A SEVERE FINE AND OR IMPRISONMENT!!!

THE ABOVE LAWS PERTAIN TO ANY ILLEGAL ALIEN REGARDLESS OF THEIR COUNTRY OF ORIGIN!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I am a Brazilian who wants not to get even close to your country so spare me with your idiocies.

How come "a young, rich, drunk european with tacky clothes and over-styled hair" have asked you how to get to HELP? What help what do you mean?
A kid living on the streets of rio would want to to sneak into a country whose economy makes it possible to eat well, get wasted, and sleep with 3 women a night in asia, russia, latin america? That doesn't mk sense.
This is confusing "are more of us taking advantage of illegals at home, or the unfortunate abroad?"

its a nightclub full of prostitutes in copacabana

Help, yes, it's in Copabana? And you mean an european living on the streets would want to sneak to countries where sleep with 3 women is possible, right?

I mean not living on the streets...lol!

Is sexual tourism so widespread between gringos? I thought this was current only between decadent old and fat gringos. The only gringos I’ve ever met probably come down often to work at the intl firm my sister works. They seemed pretty normal to me, not looking to find anything that they wouldn’t find normally.

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"We don't need Americans here. European tourists spend more...."

Well, the brazilian tourism minister certainly doesn't think so as he's trying to get visas for americans nixed. And, why don't you compare the U.S. with other countries...and not an entire continent...lol.

American tourists spend more $$'s in brazil than any other COUNTRY in the world....fact!

TO THE BRASILIAN WHO SAID WE DON,T WANT AMERICANS HERE (BRASIL) HEY WE DON,T WANT YOUR ILLEGAL ALIEN FRAUDING.ASSES HERE EITHER!!AND DO YOU REALLY THINK AMERICANS CARE ABOUT GOING TO YOUR CRIME INFESTED SWAMP.

Hey American Ubber Alles, we don't want your fat ASS down here. Is that why you are so pissed?

GO HOME YANK

mineirinha

It would be helpful if the law is changed this year, so that next year more visitors from the USA could be attracted to attend the Pan American games in Rio. Most Americans have never visited this wonderful City. If it is easy (no visa requirments) for them to attend the Pan American Games, then they would see the beautiful beaches and become repeat visitors to Brasil, boosting the economy.

gringos r white devils n racist

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"Hey American Ubber Alles, we don't want your fat ASS down here. Is that why you are so pissed?

GO HOME YANK

mineirinha"

Minas Gerais???

You're kidding right? You're going to throw those stones eh??

How's governador do Valadares mineirinha??

Why don't you keep those f**kers out of boston....we sure as f**k don't want them here!!

AND WE SURE AS HELL DO NOT WANT THEM IN ALLSTON ,SOMERVILLE, HYANNIS, PLYMOUTH, MARLBORO,FRAMINGHAM, MARTHAS VINEYARD! YOU CAN LEAVE NOW .OR YOU CAN LEAVE LATER .BUT YOU WILL LEAVE!! YOU CAN NOT MESS WITH BOSTONIANS!!! YOUR ACTIVITIES IN MASSACHUSETTS IS NO SECRET!!!! FAKE DOCUMENTS!!!!! TAX LAW VIOLATIONS!!!!!! TRAFFICING!!!!!!!! ETC....

THE HEAD OF THE COBRA ORIGINATES IN MINAS GERAIS !!! THE CRIMINAL PIPELINE OF ILLEGALS TO THE U.S.A.YOU CAN FOOL SOME AMERICANS SOME OF THE TIME >>>>>BUT NOT ALL THE AMERICANS ALL OF THE TIME!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

ARREST! IMPRISON!! DEPORT!!!

Well I like both countries. I like the USA for what it used to stand for and its high standard of living. I like Brasil for its culture and people and it is a beautiful country but so isnt many parts of the USA. I know many many Brasilians who have come to the USA for a better life since Brasil cant offer that. I also know some rich Americans who call Brasil home. So what can I say both countries have huge issues but so doesnt the entire world. I remember a Brasilian told me a saying they have "God made the land beautiful but the people he put on the land are ugly." Brasilians have a defeated nature when it comes to their government. They have succombed to the rampant coruption and suffer from appathy similar to the US situation with the war President and his version of obscene coruption which includes death of innocents. With alot of money I would be kicking it on a special little beach in Santa Caterina without alot of money I live and work in Northern California. My wife is Brasilian and I am American and I really appreciate both Brasil and the USA. So now we the people need to make the changes so both our countries are great places to be.

well congratulations im sure your wife is happy with her new green card! now what? you have decided to become anti american? are you losing your identity ??perhaps you will become a marxist ??? what is it you aspire to?? world socialism????? no borders???? no laws???are you succumbing to all that anti american propoganda we hear about coming from so. america! WE DO NOT MISS YOU FOOL!!!

Brazil is wonderful and I would go often if the $100+ visa fee is annulled. The problem now is that Brazil is not alone for chosing countries to travel to and I'd rather spend the $100 having fun in a beautiful place elsewhere other than Brazil, rather than give it to a bureaucrat in Brasilia to squandor it.

AMERICANS DO NOT WANT TO GO TO BRAZIL!!!!!the state department warns americans traveling there of the CRIME and the anti american element.

THIS ARTICLE SHOULD READ BRAZIL KEEP YOUR VISA REQUIREMENT..... AND TAKE BACK YOUR ILLEGALS IN THE U.S.A.!!!!!!!!

That's a good idea, all Brasilian illegals should go home! Oh ya and while were at it why don't all those bloody Americans around the world go the hell back home as well!!!! They are not wanted in any country in the world. Gather up all your army men and go play war in your own yard and make sure you grab all the arrogant obnoxious tourists as well!!!

By the way this has not been written by A Brasilian but by a citizen of another country who is sick of America thinking that they are Gods gift to this earth, maybe a gift for pigs. They like to roll around in s**t don't they?

Ok people...I was born in Colombia, but I was raised in the US since I was 2. I am a US citizen and have dual citizenship. I want to travel to Brasil and plan on going with my Colombian passport. Reason is that I'm afraid to say I'm American because everyone hates us. Im from Colombia and well I have a lot of family there who have tried to legally come to the US..even my little cousins who just want to go to Disney. I love the US, and well my dad came here as a Doctor from Colombia but had to start all over. Thru hard work and dedication he has achieved the American Dream. I also dont like illegal immigrants that much, but truth is they do help out the economy and do jobs that Americans wont do. As far as jobs being lost to them, well thats something Corporate America does and sends jobs to India or other places. Its all economics.

I do think Brasil should drop the Visa requierement and thus open new jobs in tourism and help the local Brazilians. Colombia does not requiere a visa from Americans even though USA will not give Visas to Colombians only to the rich or political connections. USA does have its major problems though. Terrorism is a big issue, and honestly if things go crazy here Ima move to Colombia or Canada or somewhere. I mean I love the US and I love Florida, but every country has its own problems. In the end we are all humans living in the same planet and being run by a few powerful politicians. In the end we all live our own lives. Thru hard work and dedication everyone should be given a chance to succeed.

I think the real problem to people abusing our medicare and stuff here in the US is not the illegal immigrants, but the millions of Puerto Ricans who are US citizens and live off of wellfare. They just in their small island laughing at all of us hard working people and they dont even pay taxes!! First we must fix the problems here before looking for wars and getting into outher countries and getting more enemies. The US is the greatest country in the world in a lot of things... but when it comes to the culture and the people, every different country has their strong and weak points. We shouldnt bash and hate, but try to resolve differences... in the end hate just leads to creating more enemies and not solving anything.