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US Tribute with Tex-Mex Taste: a Serendipitous Find in Brazil PDF Print E-mail
Written by Bryan Thomas Schmidt   
Sunday, 10 December 2006 16:00

Rota 66 Restaurante in Rio, BrazilI am a fan of history and modern day living museums are particularly inspiring. I love to walk the streets of Ouro Preto, Mariana, and other Brazilian historical cities, to let my eyes pan the insides of the amazing old churches of Brazil, or even step back in time with a visit to a Fazenda. But imagine my surprise when I found a place in Rio which took me back in time with a glimpse at my own country's history.

It's not a museum but it is clever marketing - an experience restaurant in Botafogo in Cobal do Humaitá, a shopping and dining area with many cross cultural dining experiences.

Restaurante Rota 66 (Route 66) is a theme restaurant founded in 2001 which features great Tex-Mex food and an interior decorated to pay tribute to the United State's first coast-to-coast highway, founded in 1926, Route 66.

Okay, so it actually only stretches from Los Angeles to Chicago (not really coast to coast) but that is how it is recorded in history.

Certainly Route 66 is an indelible part of American cultural history. People make treks to follow its remains, visiting popular sites along the route. Restaurants and stores along its route use it in their marketing. Considering that it passes by blocks from where I live in Saint Louis, finding such a place in Rio intrigued me.

Bianca and I found it when I was looking for a place where she could experience Mexican cuisine - a personal favorite native to the area where we will be living after our marriage next year. Our original destination was another Mexican place at Cobal do Humaitá, which was closed the day we went, so we wandered through and found Rota 66. Being a current resident of the Route, we just had to stop.

The interior of the restaurant, surrounding the large bar, is decorated with Route 66 memorabilia from Road Signs to Lady Biker signs to neon signs and various other items connected to the Route 66 theme. There is seating at the bar or at tables on two levels. Service was fast and efficient and the owner herself stopped by numerous times to be assured we were well taken care of.

Open from 11:30 to 4 daily for lunch and nightly for dinner, the restaurant is located on Rua Voluntários da Pátria, number 448. While it is priced for tourists, rather than Brazilians, the food was worth the price.

Appetizers include nachos with guacamole or various salsas or melted cheese, flautas, quesadillas and batata apimentada. They offer a variety of combinations for main courses ranging from tacos to burritos to enchiladas, to salads and sandwiches. They even have ribs and T-bone steaks as well as Picanha Texana.

Bianca and I went for a combination featuring flautas, tacos, burritos and enchiladas with an appetizer of fried potato balls and quesadillas so she could sample as much food as possible. It was a little more expensive than a simpler combo but perfect for two people and there wasn't a single item that didn't exceed expectations.

Drinks include pretty good margaritas, including strawberry and frozen, as well as soft drinks and a variety of beers and mixed drinks. And the desserts are impressive as well. But then who has any room left for dessert after the delicious food. Certainly this is among the best Tex-Mex available outside of the U.S. Southwest.

Our combination with margaritas, bottled water, sodas, and appetizers ran around US$ 38, which is not bad for two people. Quantities were sizable too and we both left feeling as if we could not eat again for days. In fact, we even took leftovers with us.

I do recommend one caution: for Brazilian palates unused to the spices common to Tex Mex, having plenty of water on hand is a must. Bianca had a few anxious moments waiting for the water to arrive to relieve newly discovered sensations about which she was still forming an opinion.

It was interesting to watch her reaction to the various differences between Brazilian cuisine and Mexican cuisine. It was certainly a surprise for her to note how different it was from her own culture.

Her reaction was favorable for everything but the burrito which I found mild, but she found too spicy. Given that her friend who lives in Mexico City had told her Mexican food was abhorrent, it was a rich experience to see her enjoying it so much.

For an American in the world of Rio, despite having visited Rio three times, it was fun to be in a place that seemed less unfamiliar and more like what I was used to. So often you find foreign cuisines represented differently than we are used to in our own culture when visiting representative restaurants in other countries, but that was definitely not an issue here. Everything tasted the way I expected it to taste and they even got the details right from guacamole to the choice of cheeses to their salsa.

Additionally, I enjoyed discovering Tex Mex cuisine of such quality in place I never expected and sharing it with someone who had never experienced it. So often you find foreign cuisines represented differently than we are used to in our own culture when visiting representative restaurants in other countries, but that was definitely not an issue here. You will too.

Restaurante Rota 66 - www.restauranterota66.com.br/

Bryan Thomas Schmidt, M.A. is the Founder and Executive Director of Anchored Music Ministries, Inc., St. Louis, Missouri, USA, which provides leadership development training in the worship arts around the world. He has traveled four times to Ghana, West Africa, four times to Brazil, and also worked in Mexico and the U.S. Anchored Music teams have also worked in Bulgaria, and Italy. His articles have been published in newspapers and magazines around the U.S. He has also served as guest lecturer and instructor in Missions at Covenant Theological Seminary in St. Louis, Missouri. He can be reached at www.anchoredmusic.com.



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written by burrito, December 11, 2006
Oh well well an US tribute is a little bit of a stretch for a tematic restaurant, isn't it? smilies/cheesy.gif

Pretty sure things in Rio are very different from Texas, but certainly it must have been a better experience than the inverse, hehe. Mexican cuisine is definitely a good experience.

Xau!
I bet that guy
written by sussex, December 12, 2006
was farting a storm afterwards.
Why>
written by Bryan, December 12, 2006
I don't consider a US them a stretch given that there are so many in Rio. TGI Fridays is a tribute, Hard Rock Cafe, so many American restaurants. Actually I enjoy the Brazilian themed restaurants in the US too.

Sussex, thanks for adding intelligent chatter.
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written by burrito, December 12, 2006
Jesus man TGI Friday's, Wendy's Hard Rock Cafe are incorporated fast food chains. Like Jack in the Box they are a result of corporative efforts? Do you go a mexican or even brazilian restaurant because you want to be a Mexican or Brazilian or b/c you enjoy the food ?
I don't want to be because I can't
written by Bryan, December 12, 2006
I cannot be what I am not but I, like a lot of people, do want the cross cultural experience. And I know many Brazilians who tell me that is why they go to those places too. Certainly if the food is not good you don't go back, but the experience is part of it as well. What is so hard for you to understand?
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written by burrito, December 12, 2006
Nothing hard to understand. I understand what you say. What I said was that an thematic restaurant to be considered a tribute to the nation USA was exageratting. Valeu? But there is something I dont't understand and I didn't mention. I hear a lot that there is a gringo price and a Brazilian price. You said that restaurant is priced for tourists, I mean do you think this restaurant is high priced and it is not meant to locals? Where is the cross cultural experience in that anyway ? Some other English-speaking guy here complained about taxi fare in São Paulo. I really don't see any long timer paulistano complaining about it, really. The price includes everything the service provide plus all the social benefits the independent driver need. That sounds stingy. And Brazilians in big cities go to restaurants and are aware of the high prices they pay as in any other international city.
There are
written by Bryan, December 12, 2006
People do raise prices when they see you are a gringo, yes. And that is frustrating. I did not really mean it is not for Brazilians but the prices are higher than regular restaurants because it caters to tourists, so average Brazilians like my fiancee would not eat there much because it is too expensive for them. It is not exagerrating to say the restaurant is a tribute to US culture when the owner herself, a Brazilian, admits this and the restaurant is named after and designed to pay tribute to a US cultural icon Route 66. That is EXACTLY what this restaurant is. Is your issue that you don't like American culture or respect it? Or do you think restaurants cannot pay tribute to cultures? I am not sure from what you write.
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written by burrito, December 12, 2006
Well if you consider the restaurant a tribute to America ok I respect it. I do not consider this way so at least try to respect my point of view yourself. Great topic really I like to respect when I know my own culture is respected really, besides myself being respected . If there is a gringo tax as you all so state then let it be it! Amerikan culture ok I like some of it Jeames Dean Jack Kerouac great icons really shame theres not much like them smilies/cheesy.gif
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written by burrito, December 12, 2006
Another thing I did not discuss with you was that maybe the restaurant has as it market share the A and B classes so that is why the prices are high? If that includes gringo tourists than this is the deal.
THE NOBEL PRICE WINNERS BURRITO AND BRYAND
written by whogivesas**t, December 13, 2006
SO LITTLE TIME...SO MANY IDIOTS....
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written by burrito, December 13, 2006
I still think there arent many icons like those...
icons?
written by Bryan, December 13, 2006
Not sure what you mean by the icons. I do respect and like Brazilian culture. I know a lot of people do go to restaurants just for the food. But even in the U.S. a lot of people go for the experience. In the U.S. we also have levels of pricing for restaurants. It is just the way the market works, you know? I personally think that this "tourist" pricing is more a matter of the location and reality that tourists come in a lot and not about any "gringo tax", as you call it. And this "gringo tax" happens in Africa and Mexico and other places. Not just Brazil. There is a general perception that Americans are richer than everybody else so they can afford to pay more. Ironically, I am not one of those Americans, so I try and eat at the places with the most affordable price. But missionaries are not in their work to get rich.

Ona final note, if you are going to insult people like this guy, you'd think he'd at least learn to spell.
Nothing is more insulting than being an North American Brian
written by burrito, December 13, 2006
The American superiority complex comes especially from those who do need to display their pride, this complex is just the other side of the real inferiority position they feel especially over their plastic horrendous culture. This is not exaggeration. I am not native in English, in your opinion should I kill myself or kill everybody else who is around me in the perfect American style? Do you want to be insulted gringo? Travel to foreign places gringo and try to be not an American. Besides stop exchanging porn pictures with the soldiers in Iraq the world knows that is your favorite pastime, war and jerk off!
HUH?
written by Bryan, December 13, 2006
Okay, I have been respectful of you and your culture. I don't know what you are talking about with porn, killing everyone, etc. I thought we were having a civil conversation. But I guess not. As far as American arrogance, I have done my best here and elsewhere to not be guilty of that, but everyone is proud of their culture to some degree. And everyone is critical of others'. The one who really seems to appear arrogant here is you. Take your own closing advice.
By the way burrito,
written by Bryan, December 13, 2006
THIS COMMENT: Ona final note, if you are going to insult people like this guy, you'd think he'd at least learn to spell. WAS FOR THE GUY WHO CALLED YOU & I IDIOTS, NOT FOR YOU. I NEVER INSULTED YOUR ENGLISH
bigots Americans
written by burrito, December 13, 2006
Do you think because your are a missionaire I am not going to criticize you for who you are Bryan? You use your "sacred" position to defend yourself. I've heard that American priests are the biggest pedophiles in US! They are sued by the millions!

You have no idea what respect means Bryan, this is due to your culture. Do not demmand what I should think or understand Bryan. This is intolerance and shows no respect for the cross culture experience, unless of course you wanna pay for that and be delivered with the customized option you bought!

Yes I am sure that spell note was not for me Bryan, I do spell better than you do in Portuguese. I probably am giving you a lesson on spelling a foreing language Bryan. Also I do not need more this inner time than you. On a last note Bryan!
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written by burrito, December 13, 2006
Americans the most sacred hypocrital nationality on earth!

as the guy really looks for cross cultural experience. What a jerk!
Sorry you feel that way
written by Bryan, December 13, 2006
You clearly are misunderstanding my intentions and words. I regret that but I have never born you ill will. Nonetheless, there is no further point in rational discussion as you seem to have abandoned it.
Someone eat this burrito and put him out of his own misery
written by Adama, December 13, 2006
You call him a jerk and yet you have not shown him any respect? At least Bryan was trying. Ignore this bobo. You don't need to waste your time with him!
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written by jabá, December 13, 2006
Foley is not in prison? What the hell you people come here to cry like BIG STINGY OLD FARTS and complain about the politics in Brazil??

Hey Adams, are you a balding beer belly ugly pedophile? No wonder you guys demmand everything, real life is just a distant ilusion for all these hurt pride Amerikans!!

BRAZZIL SITE IS JUST BESIDE THE C.I.A. WEBPAGE watch out.

http://www.avanteyachts.com/jomla

Ann Coulter, is she in your wanky dreams?
Hmmm
written by EfoYao, December 13, 2006
Little too much coffee there Jaba? Politics? This article is not politics. Wow. These guys just love to be rude for no reason, huh? Nice article, Bryan. Ignore the taunters. I know I will.
Thanks EF
written by Bryan, December 13, 2006
It is sad you cannot even say good things about people's country without them attacking you but welcome to the American haters club. We don't have a reason, we just love to hate. Thanks for not joining.
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written by msnbc, December 13, 2006
The Americans who come to this site just to insult and denigrate Brazil are government propagandists of the USA . Hopefully this will come to mind when people read this entire Brazzil site.
propagandist?
written by EfoYao, December 13, 2006
As opposed to msnbc? And the only ones insulting and denigrating Brazil here are Brazilians who are insulting and attacking without good cause.
Freedom of speech
written by Bianca, December 14, 2006
Freedom of speech is enshrined in the United Nations Universal Declaration of Human Rights and is granted formal recognition by the laws of most nations. Freedom is a many-faceted, positive term encompassing the ability to act consciously, in a well-balanced manner and with self control in a given constructive direction. The biggest restraints come from the self: ignorance, which leads to fear, then restraint; and also rooted in ignorance, the lack of self control.In the context of internal control, freedom is also known as self-determination, or autonomy. From a spiritual perspective, freedom may also be called inner peace; the presence of inner control, and an inner experience of choice, spontaneity and fulfillment.Political freedom is the right, or the capacity, of self-determination as an expression of the individual will.
Technically the Declaration is a resolution of the United Nations General Assembly rather than a treaty and so it is not legally binding, in its entirety, on members of the UN, and, while some of its provisions are considered to form part of customary international law, there is dispute as to precisely which provisions do so. Freedom of speech is granted unambiguous protection in international law by the International Covenant on Civil and Political Rights which is binding on around 150 nations. Article 19 provides that:
1. Everyone shall have the right to hold opinions without interference.
2. Everyone shall have the right to freedom of expression; this right shall include freedom to seek, receive and impart information and ideas of all kinds, regardless of frontiers, either orally, in writing or in print, in the form of art, or through any other media of his choice.
3. The exercise of the rights provided for in paragraph 2 of this article carries with it special duties and responsibilities. It may therefore be subject to certain restrictions, but these shall only be such as are provided by law and are necessary:
(a) For respect of the rights or rep**ations of others;
(b) For the protection of national security or of public order (ordre public), or of public health or morals.
Hate speech is a controversial term for speech intended to degrade, intimidate, or incite violence or prejudicial action against a person or group of people based on their race, gender, age, ethnicity, national origin, religion, sexual orientation, gender identity, disability, moral or political views, etc. The term covers written as well as oral communication. It is also sometimes called antilocution and is the first point on Allport's scale which measures prejudice in a society. Summing up - let's respect Bryan and be respected by him. What he wrote here is his opinion. I am sure you guys have yours. I love him and I know he is not a pedophiliac. He is an intelligent and brilliant man. Cool off everyone!






Proposta
written by A brazilian, December 14, 2006
Brasileiros, falemos somente o português e deixemos esses gringos se virarem com tradutores pela rede mundial, se assim quiserem. Assim podemos conversar livremente e comentar as asnices aqui escritas por eles. Esse site não pode ser sério ao permitir coisas como bem exemplificados nesses comentários. Isso não é apenas ofensivo de uma forma inocente, mas sim proposital. O intuito desse site é denegrir a imagem do Brasil e de seu povo, portanto gastar tempo e saliva argumentando é inútil.

Escrevamos somente o português para que outros brasileiros não se iludam ao visitar o site, e deixemo-los na escuridão de sua própria ignorância.
Para Bianca
written by A brazilian, December 14, 2006
Você pode dar uma olhada por todo o site e artigos e encontrará apenas ódio. Esse site é feito sim para denegrir a imagem do Brasil tanto para brasileiros quanto para estrangeiros. Não há boa fé nas pessoas e nas discussões daqui, logo nada disso trará algo de positivo para que possamos usar e melhorar o mundo a nossa volta.
Para A Brazilian
written by Outro, December 14, 2006
Nao e verdade. Tem artigos por brasileiros muitos aqui.
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written by Bianca, December 14, 2006
I don't appreciate what Burrito and the othe guy are doing with Bryan. It is ridiculous and very immature. let's respect his opinion. You can respect his opinions without offending him. So he can do the same by respecting you guys, as he is already doing. I can speak Portuguese too. But I don't brag about my language skills. I decided respecting to be respected in return. He is not arrogant just because he is an American. We all have our culture and thank God we are so different from each other.
Para Outro
written by A brazilian, December 14, 2006
Sim, existe. Mas são usados pelos fomentadores de ódio em propaganda contra o Brasil. Devemos cuidar para que os desavisados não pensem em se tratar de um site sério onde podem realmente dialogar de forma honesta. Tudo o que é dito será usado contra nós, não importa o quê.

Acho muito suspeito um site estrangeiro em inglês especializado no Brasil. Se esse site não foi criado já com essas intenções odiosas desde o início, a de propagar o ódio contra o Brasil e brasileiros, com certeza é usado para tal por pessoas mal-intencionadas. E ao nos engarjarmos em discussões não estaremos melhorando a situação.
American Food? You Kidding!
written by Costinha, December 14, 2006
The Political and Commercial Morals of the United States Are Not Merely Food for Laughter, They Are an Entire Banquet!

Footnote: the National Dish Of America Is "Menus"… hehehe
Para Bianca
written by A brazilian, December 14, 2006
Mas nada disso muda o fato das coisas vergonhosas que são escritas nesse site. Isso não é opinião a ser respeitada, é campanha contra o Brasil e contra o povo brasileiro.
and BIANCA!
written by Costinha, December 14, 2006
I will respect you in the morning... so as long as you take the trash on your way out!

Luvies...
Para a Brazilian
written by Bryan, December 14, 2006
I respect what you are saying and actually I can appreciate it about the fact that this site is not serious and many bad things are written about Brazil. I find those things offensive myself. But many bad things are written about the US and other places on this site also which are offensive as well. I have told the guy who runs the site, Rodney, that I wish he would edit more for this reason, but he does not. I do not know why. I have tried very hard in what I write to find good things to say, to be fair, and to be respectful. Many people who read these stories have said I do a good job. Others do not put this effort into what they write -- perhaps because they know they can write anything. What is unfortunate is that people come and attack you (or me) no matter what you do or say as an arrogant American or bigot or make ridiculous charges of being a pedofile or sending porn, etc. They don't know me. They don't even care to try. And they accuse me of arrogance when their own attitude is one of arrogant superiority. The sad thing is that I have tried to actually understand and have conversations with people to seek understanding, like I am doing with you now. Perhaps you will only attack me, too. But then we can only hope for problems. Understanding can never come if we make no attempt to actually have conversation without trying to insult or offend each other on purpose as these people do. I will waste no more time on them. This site is no propaganda arm of any government. If it were, it would be edited. It is unedited. And Rodney even tries to make things more alarming with his headlines, none of which are the one I submitted with the articles I wrote. It would be nice if everyone could be realistic about all of these things. Blaming all Americans for George Bush or the American government is like blaming all Brazilians for Lula or the Brazilian government. I have not and never will do that. I have nothing but love for Brazil. I am marrying a Brazilian. I never claimed that I did not have a lot to learn in understanding Brazilian culture but I make an effort every day. It is too bad that instead of focusing on ridiculous and silly insults, some people don't actually try and discuss things to help me learn. I made the attempt with this burrito and others. But they are too full of arrogance to actually do anything productive. It is a loss for everyone on this site. I will continue to try and write articles about good things in Brazil. I enjoy seeing these things and telling others about them. I will try and represent Brazilian culture with honesty, respect, and in a positive light as best I can. And when I get it wrong, Bianca and others should help me understand that. But they don't need to insult me. Then I will just not want to listen. They can just talk to me as I am trying to talk to you now. Sorry for not writing in Portuguese. I can read it better than I write it and I wanted to be clear. Deus te abencoe!
A Brazilian...
written by Outro, December 14, 2006
Mas são usados pelos fomentadores de ódio em propaganda contra o Estados Unidos tambem. Igualmente.
Costinha
written by Adama, December 14, 2006
se e merda!
back to the article
written by Joseph, December 14, 2006
OK, lets face it, this guy was paid to write this article or knows someone who works there and agreed to do it.....how do I know? well, the food at route 66 is not too good, and is surely not up to the standard of what we would call tex-mex in the usa. I dont care if its thematic or not, the nachos arent real, the portions are too small, and the spices are overdone, or worse, not done at all.

Please spare us these stupid feel good articles that are a sham....

Im still waitin for ANY tex mex resturant to open in Rio...and waiting and waiting....and ......waiting........
Joseph
written by Bryan, December 14, 2006
I was paid nothing. and I eat Tex Mex all the time and this was good. Sorry you disagree. I thought the portions were good.
Para Outro
written by A brazilian, December 14, 2006
Você tem 5 anos de idade? Esse site se chama "Brazzil" e possui várias manchetes e artigos ofensivos. Os únicos que ofendem os Estados Unidos aqui são brasileiros nos comentários, não existem artigos contra eles. Isso é o suficiente para considerar esse site como propagandista.
Para Bryan
written by A brazilian, December 14, 2006
Acho que os brasileiros que vem a este site já estão tão cansados de serem ofendidos que eles já partem para ignorância logo cedo. Isso não justifica a ignorância, mas é o que acontece. Mesmo que suas intenções sejam boas, esse site é para campanhas contra o Brasil. Esse tal de Rodney não faz nada porque esse site é apenas fachada para uma organização responsável por desinformação e a promoção dos ideais americanos (guerra, ódio racial, etc) ou ele é apenas um sujeito inescrupuloso que quer ganhar cliques de usuários através de polêmicas.

Também acho que se esse site fosse sério haveria edição dos fóruns, começando pela exclusão das mensagens fora do tópico e agressivas e o banimento dos usuários promotores do ódio.
Nao e verdade, a Brazilian
written by Outro, December 14, 2006
Tem muitos artigos aqui contra de EUA.
A Brazilian
written by Bryan, December 14, 2006
I agree that Rodney should be more serious about it, but he does the site by himself. And that is a challenge. I wrote to him about it. And you comment to Outro is not correct. The things written here about the US are very biased and negative many times and critical. They are just as offensive to many Americans as the things written about Brazil. I think if people come here and don't like this, they should try and write better articles and not be biased. That is what I try to do. And yes, they should discuss, as we are doing, the issues and the misstatements so that things can be corrected in readers' minds. If they don't want to do this, they probably should not come here. But at the same time, they should be polite and respectful to others and not just rude for the sake of picking fights.
Mexican Food sucks!!
written by MexicanFoodSucks, December 15, 2006
Mexican Food sucks!! Proof of the pudding: look at all the obese Mexican women who look more like buffaloes than feminine species of H-Sapiens. Eat that stuff and flirt with cardio-vascular disease and obesity.
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written by Ric, December 15, 2006
Biggest disappointment coming to Brazil was that the food is not like Mexican. No fish tacos like in Rosarita. Some ex-pat Mexicans in Brazil know how to make flour tortillas, but the corn is not right for corn tortillas. But electric tortilla presses are as rare here as 5-string banjos. Get your kicks on Route 66. On the other hand, finding farinha is a problem in San Francisco CA. Só aqui que tem xibé, fubá para que nené fica bem bonitinho, casq. de carangueijo, açaí e cupú. Basta.
You expected Brazilian food to be like Mexican food, Ric?
written by Bryan, December 15, 2006
Because I like the differences. And I am not surprised the Mexican food is not as common because of the differences in spices and such.
Brazillian food beats Mexican any day!!
written by MexicanFoodSucks, December 15, 2006
How can one compare Mexican food to Brazillian? They don't even speak the same language. Hellooooooooooo

Brazillian food is more healthier than Mexican food and I am an objective judge of both cuisines, being of neither nationality.
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written by Ric, December 15, 2006
I´m sorry about that. Half my classmates in Anaheim were Mexicans. Maybe Brazilian food is, as you suggest, more healthier. I just got used to having an Xlnt Tamale for lunch every day, wrapped in corn leaves.
I love both
written by Bryan, December 15, 2006
They are completely different. I love both for different reasons. But he is right that Brazilian food tends to be healthier and I eat it more often as a result of that, although also being engaged to a Brazilian woman doesn't hurt either. Ric, what did you try, do you remember names? Maybe I can make some suggestions. For example, if you want spicer, the Northern cuisines with African influence might be more to your liking.
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written by Ric, December 16, 2006
Actaully the food in Bahia is pretty spicey but I don´t get down there very often. We eat Brazilian at home, but we do have a tortilla press. I agree that rice, beans, farinha, meat and greens is healthy.

Someone mentioned James Dean. When in the states, I always stop in Cholame, where he died. The Dean memorial that the Japanese gentleman financed is still in good shape, but the restaurant seems to do less business than in years past, maybe because of the fast food places relatively nearby on the I-5.
Not sure where that is
written by Bryan, December 16, 2006
But the James Dean Museum went out of business this year for lack of visitors. Too bad.
Sad... but it´s true...
written by BrunoSantos, December 16, 2006
It´s a pity. We, brazilians, are not used to critics. That´s a major problem in this country. It´s so annoying to read all the BULLs**t brazilians write everyday on the net, trying to figure out excuses to our lame social condition and to our absurd urban violence. I still haven´t found any criticism, here or anywhere else, that isn´t true. But these blind dumbasses are trying to hide everything behind blinding patriotic crap. It seem to me that mcdonalds and patriotic crap are the only things brazilians do like to import from the US. All the good stuff that comes within american culture is kept off-border.
It´s about time to stop worrying about CIA and other "malevolous entities" abroad. Our problem lies within our own borders, and insulting people whom show them is just as stupid as breaking the thermometre when you have the fever. Let´s have penicilin instead.
BrunoSantos
written by almirante, December 16, 2006
Hey Bruno, would you mind pointing out some of the good stuff that comes frome America, please? Thks in advance.
Para Bruno
written by A brazilian, December 16, 2006
Seu idiota, que coisas boas da cultura Estadunidense não são importadas para cá? Existe alguma coisa que presta naquela cultura? Cite uma, apenas uma.

Já deu uma olhada nesse site e nos fórums? Repletos de racistas e gente promovendo agendas estrangeiras. Esse site tem por objetivo denegrir a imagem do Brasil internacionalmente. Não é estranho que a língua usada seja o inglês? Quantas pessoas do Brasil com comp**ador e internet e que possuem inglês fluente tem acesso a isso aqui? Isso não tem o intuito de ajudar nada, apenas destruir. Esse povo daqui é traíra e é bom você tomar cuidado, tudo o que você disser será usado pelos Nazistas em campanhas racistas e anti-Brasil.

Se você á masoquista pegue uma cinta e se martirize na sua própria casa, mas nos poupe dessa idiotia. Que história é essa de quebrar o termõmetro? O pior não pe gringo destruindo a imagem do Brasil, é brasileiro burro que sequer que está sendo usado.
Para A Brazilian
written by Bryan, December 17, 2006
I don't agree with everything Bruno said but he does make the point that a lot of the untrue stuff on this site which you are probably objecting to is written by Brazilians. You did not respond to my earlier post about how we should all strive for honest dialog and to make this a better site, but I sure hope you agree with that. Because otherwise, if you dislike this place, there is no point coming here because it will not change.
Bruno is absolutely 100% CORRECT
written by Deus é Brasileiro, claro. O mundo esta fudido!, December 17, 2006
And "a Brazilian" take off your tinfoil hat; there are no CIA operatives and black helicopters around here. We know that you and your ilk of delusional raving paranoid crackpots think the whole world is out to get you. However, stop you lamebrain puling for a second and listen to Bruno; the greatest threat posed to Brazil is by Brazilians!

You not only come across completely nutso, but you’re very childish too repeating that retarded paragraph all the board “hey, people lets only write in porkNcheese”. Very grown up a Brazilian; very grown up indeed.
Para os brasileiros burros e vendidos acima
written by A brazilian, December 17, 2006
O último idita sequer brasileiro deve ser, deve ser um gringo tentando passar por brasileiro. Se é brasileiro então você devem notar o tom "imigrante ilegal, lavando banheiros nos EUA" pelo "prokNcheese", gente despeitada. Os perdedores do Brasil se sujeitando a um tratamento indigno e tentando se vingar.

Mas, voltando ao assunto, ele sequer lê o fórum e chega a essas conclusões! Brasileiro burro tentando fazer um H com a gingaiada, isso vai lhe garantir um status maior entre os seus amigos gringos?

Esse fórum não tem por objetivo ajudar nada e nem ninguém, ele visa destruir o Brasil. A qualquer um que duvida eu sugiro dar uma olhada nos outros artigos e observar o seu tom anti-brasileiro. Quando o artigo não é anti-brasileiro em si, os comentários do fórum o são. É triste ver uma mídia que poderia ser usada para o bem, ser abusada pelos de espírito pobre. Pobreza de espírito é que o que reina aqui.

Uma pergunta, por que não vemos um gringo sequer admitir problemas nos Estados Unidos? Quando há alguma crítica ela é automaticamente rotulada de "anti-americanismo" e "inveja"? Nada de ruim é exibido por lá. Por que será? E por que não existe nenhum site nesses moldes voltado exclusivamente para os Estados Unidos? Eles têm medo de serem xingados?

Use os dois neurônios que Deus te deu e racione! Cristo, auxilie essas almas intelectualmente inferiores a ver a negatividade aqui presente.
Para Bryan
written by A brazilian, December 17, 2006
Não há a possibilidade de diálogo honesto neste site. Para começar algo parecido o administrador deveria ser mais ético e excluir mensagens de ódio, coisas fora do tópico ou que demonstrem qualquer outro tipo de preconceito. Sabe quando isso vai acontecer? Nunca, pois ele ganha cliques com toda essa polêmica e gente visitando o site.

Sobre comentários de brasileiros. Realmente, brasileiros são muito auto-críticos. E eu vejo aqui isso sendo usado por pessoas negativas interessadas somente na destruição do Brasil. Esse é um fenômeno interessante, os americanos são cegos e burros para tudo o que se relaciona ao próprio país, eles ignoram problemas e crêem que tudo é lindo maravilhos até mesmo quando o presidente mente e por conta disso milhares de jovens são mortos e bilhões de dólares gastos com guerras.

Aqui no Brasil o presidente não precisa nem abrir a boca, ele é xingado pelo simples fato de ser presidente. Todos os políticos são xingados e culpados até que se prove o contrário. Fora que os problemas são expostos, falados, xingados livremente, como uma ferida que não cicatriza. Qualquer brasileiro não exitaria em falar deles.

Agora essa característca salutar do brasileiro, definitivamente melhor que a do americano de ser cego, surdo e burro, é usada para intuitos nem um pouco nobres. Falar que muitos brasileiros aqui é que criticam o Brasil, e de uma forma tentar justificar o ódio assim como você está fazendo Bryan, é se aproveitar de uma característica da cultura para promover ideais de ódio e destruição.
If there were an admin, you´d be the first to go
written by Deus é Brasileiro, claro. O mundo esta fudido!, December 17, 2006
"o administrador deveria ser mais ético e excluir mensagens de ódio, coisas fora do tópico ou que demonstrem qualquer outro tipo de preconceito"

E bobagem escrito em portuges tmb????
Para A Brazilian
written by Bryan, December 17, 2006
I do see how you feel but I am not trying to justify hatred. Nor am I trying to write it. I am not a racist. But I have different experiences of the world because I have lived and travelled different places. That does shape my reactions to my experiences of the world in Brazil and elsewhere and how I write about them and view them. It does not make me racist. I am marrying a Brazilian. If I were racist against Brazilians, I would never do that. But I think everyone is racist to some degree because certain degrees of it are built into our societies which discriminate against people for skin color, language, socioeconomic position, etc. Brazilians know as much about this as anyone. And because we often fail to recognize things for what they are growing up, we adopt ideas which may not be what we thought they were. Some of them are biased. We have to learn and grow and erase those notions through experience if we want to. I am trying to do that in my own life. But I am not perfect. I do think you show a lot of intolerance for others' views. And I have to say before you call others racist you should careful be sure you are not being racist yourself and be fair about what you are saying and how you say it. We all need to also understand that some biases are not based on hatred but ignorance and ignorance is only corrected by knowledge. Knowledge is only obtained through others, but we cannot recieve it from hatred. It needs to be given with love.
Obrigado Bryan por seu artigo
written by Paulo, December 17, 2006
É legal que você adoro o Brasil e o restaurante "Rota 66". Se "A Brazilian" quer odiar sua opinão, é óbvio que ele quer odiar o todo mundo. Sinto que ele tem mal intencões.

Precisamos mais artigos, como seu, que mostra o bom do Brasil. O Brasil tem seus problemas, como o EUA tem seus problemas. E todos tem suas opinões sobre tudo.

Basta. Adeus.
Para Paulo
written by A brazilian, December 18, 2006
As minhas únicas intenções são as de revelar a brasileiros incautos sobre o que esse site faz, alimentar a comunidade internacional com propaganda negativa a respeito do Brasil com intuito destrutivo.
Paulo
written by Bryan, December 18, 2006
Obrigado, Mas eu acredito Que a Brazilian está com raiva. Eu também não gosta das mentiras Que escrevem nesse site. Eu não escrevo mentiras, mas só podemos mudar algo, se escrevemos verdades e artigos melhores e é o Que eu faço. Ele precisa ajudar com isso e vai fazer este site melhor. Ne?
So, on this site we have...
written by me, December 18, 2006
So, on this site we sometimes have some Brazilians (not all, of course) accusing all foreigners of being arrogant, xenophobic, close-minded racists (some are, of course), while showing themselves to be, guess what, arrogant, xenophobic, close-minded racists.

There is plenty of criticism of the US and other countries, not just on this site, but also in the media of the US, and other countries. It's called "free speech". In the practice of free speech, one often hears things that one finds disagreeable and/or offensive. However, in the US, for example, many people (not all of course) look at criticism as an opportunity to learn how to improve. The first step to solving a problem is acknowledging that it exists. If one keeps to a state of denial that any problems exist, then nothing ever gets solved.

Rest assured, no matter what is written on this site, someone will disagree with it or find it offensive.
Para me
written by A brazilian, December 18, 2006
Só é possível melhorar qualquer coisa com críticas construtivas. Isso aqui visa apenas a destruição. Nenhuma dessas pessoas tem interesse pelo Brasil ou está interessado em vê-lo melhor.

Hitler produzia propaganda racista na época dele para estimular os alemães a pensarem que eram melhores que todo o resto do mundo, me diga, isso é "liberdade de imprensa" e é algo que devemos admitir para assim podemos melhorar? Não, mas por quê?
Para A Brazilian
written by Bryan, December 18, 2006
read what you write! Read what I write. I have said 100 times I am interest in Brazil and truth and truth about other places. How can you say this unless you are totally racist and unaware or totally uninterested in what you claim to be interested in: truth and fairness. Perhaps you don't really want to do anything but complain!
The difference, "A Brazilian"...
written by me, December 18, 2006
The difference in Nazi propaganda was that it was produced by the state, to further the aims of the state. There is a great difference between that and individuals or a free press expressing opinion (whether one likes the opinion or not).

I am also growing weary of people posting on this site calling people in the US "Nazis", when clearly they have no real idea of what the Nazis were about. And sure, there are a very small number of Nazi in the US. There are also a very small number of Nazis in Brazil. So, what? They are not in control in either place, and are unlikely to be. Before you start calling people "Nazis", learn more about history so that you can understand what real Nazis are.
Para me
written by A brazilian, December 18, 2006
The difference in Nazi propaganda was that it was produced by the state, to further the aims of the state. There is a great difference between that and individuals or a free press expressing opinion (whether one likes the opinion or not).


Não há diferença entre propaganda financiada pelo estado e propaganda financiada pelo setor privado no que é relacionado ao como devemos encarar tais coisas. Você faz parecer que uma mensagem desejando o extermínio de determinado grupo é válida e deve ser levada a sério a título de "melhorar as condições existentes" se financiada com dinheiro privado, mas se for com dinheiro público é ruim.

Essa sua moral é muito estranha.

am also growing weary of people posting on this site calling people in the US "Nazis", when clearly they have no real idea of what the Nazis were about. And sure, there are a very small number of Nazi in the US. There are also a very small number of Nazis in Brazil. So, what? They are not in control in either place, and are unlikely to be. Before you start calling people "Nazis", learn more about history so that you can understand what real Nazis are.


Infelizmente é você que precisa checar os fatos. Esse tipo de oragnização é proibida em países como o Brasil e na Europa, mas não nos EUA. Por isso os Estados Unidos é o país com as maiores organizações racistas e o maior provedor de propaganda racista do mundo. No Brasil pode até existir, mas são uma minoria de foras-da-lei que é ridícula se comparado aos Estados Unidos. Além do mais, se algum coitado aparecer nas ruas do Brasil com uma suástica vai levar tanta porrada.

Em segundo lugar, quando as pessoas usam o termo nazista elas se referem a uma noção muito mais ampla do que a da história, senão não faria sentido algum. Os nazistas foram um partido político que surgiu depois da primeira guerra, que promovia ideais racistas e usou da humilhação e miséria da Alemanha para ascender no poder e depois cometeu barbaridades, isso foi há muito tempo.

Os "nazistas" como comumente dito são aqueles que compartilham dos mesmos ideais, ainda que não sejam alemães ou saiam por aí matando gente. Muitas vezes podem ser até negros ou outros não-brancos, como você pode observar no artigo sobre mulatos desse site mesmo.
me
written by Bryan, December 18, 2006
I am done discussing with this guy until he admits his own bias. You cannot have rational discussions with someone who is so full of hate that he prefers ignorance to actual knowledge. Don't waste your breath.
OK, one last try...
written by me, December 18, 2006
Dear "A Brazilian",

Let's try a concrete example:

During the 2004 presidential elections, the television program "South Park" had a segment in which they satirized the presidential debate between George Bush and John Kerry as a debate between "a giant douche and a crap sandwich". They actually portrayed the two candidates visually as a douche bottle and a white bread sandwich with crap hanging out of it. In the U.S., this program was considered "constitutionally protected free speech", and even though the politicians might hate the program, there was nothing that they could do to stop it.

I told a Brazilian friend about the program, and he told me he could tell that the program was American, and that such a program would never be allowed in Brazil if it was about Brazilian politicians.

If such a program had been presented in Nazi Germany, everyone connected with it would have been rounded up and shot, tortured and shot, or sent to concentration camps. Do you see the difference?

Have you seen any article on this site that was as hard on Brazilians as this program was on Americans? Have you maybe caught onto the fact that 90% of the writers of articles on this site are Brazilians or of Brazilian heritage? So, if there are propagandists on this site, who must they be? Surely not Americans, who write only about 10% of the articles, most of which are like this one, saying good things about Brazil. I personally have heard much worse things about Brazil from Brazilians than I ever have from any Americans.

In the U.S., students are taught in school how to recognize various propaganda techniques (of course, some students learn these lessons better than others), and allowed to make their own minds about what is propaganda and what is not.

And finally, get real about political ideologies. You can't legislate them out of existence. In spite of the laws in Brazil and Europe, such banned groups still exist. I dispute your contention that the U.S. is the greatest purveyor of racist organizations and propaganda. This is simply not true. You are the one that needs to get your facts straight.
...
written by Pagú, December 18, 2006
Tá na cara que esses caras aparecem com áurea de santinhos, bata de santinhos e argumentos de santinhos, mas, desculpe a expressão, são uns asninhos. Nenhum desses DOIS estão a fim de discutir NADA, ideologia, técnicas de propaganda, racismo, xenofobia, ignorância e arrogância imperialista. Os argumentos desses mercenários é: ou você concorda com as minhas idéias e diz amém para tudo o que eu disser, ou você é um antit-americano, ignorante, sul-americano, terceiro-mundista, preconceituoso, etc.. Para imaginar que alguns deles são brasileiros expatriados... A técnica de lavagem cerebral americanizada é: enfia goela abaixo, das mulheres, dos negros, dos imigrantes sem status, dos ilegais, dos homens e mulheres que acreditam em tudo que eles lêem, etc..

Vamos lá, é liberdade de expressão, que venha a liberdade de expressão.
...
written by me, December 18, 2006
...and Pagu is entitled to his opinion as well.

Did anyone say, "you have to agree with me"?

What I wrote is only the truth.
Para Pagu
written by EfoYao, December 18, 2006
"Os argumentos desses mercenários é: ou você concorda com as minhas idéias e diz amém para tudo o que eu disser, ou você é um antit-americano, ignorante, sul-americano, terceiro-mundista, preconceituoso, etc.." Nao e verdade. Nao. I never said this. I only said that if you want to be treated fairly, you have to be fair yourself. And many hear are not fair themselves. They are as intolerant of others as they claim others are of them. You, A Brazilian, burrito -- many examples exist.
Pagu & Anyone else
written by Bryan, December 18, 2006
I respect disagreement. What I am against is what Efo Yao says: unfairness. If you don't want people to discriminate against you or spread unfair or untrue statements, then you have to practice what you preach. You have to be fair in what you say, not discriminate and tell the truth. It is that simple. And it is apparent that people like burrito and A Brazilian and you, for example, aren't really interested in what you say you are. You instead are the ones who call those who disagree bigots and ignorant and anti-Brazilian, etc. But here I am (me also) actually trying to have intelligent, fair dialog. And yet no matter what we say, we are called these things. You certainly have free speech to say it. That is right. But it saying such things just proves you don't believe what you say. And it is yet more negative images of Brazil being projected to the world, which is another thing I thought you were against.
To clarify
written by me, December 18, 2006
I wrote: "I personally have heard much worse things about Brazil from Brazilians than I ever have from any Americans. "

Maybe I should have written: "I personally have heard much worse things about Brazil from Brazilians who live in Brazil than I ever have from any Americans."
...
written by A brazilian, December 18, 2006
I told a Brazilian friend about the program, and he told me he could tell that the program was American, and that such a program would never be allowed in Brazil if it was about Brazilian politicians.


THIS ONE I NEED TO ANSWER IN ENGLISH BECAUSE THIS IS AN INSULT TO ANYONE'S INTELLIGENCE. ARE YOU OUT OF YOUR MIND?

WE HAVE LOTS OF SHOWS THAT MAKE FUN OF POLITICIANS INCLUDING THE POWERFUL ONES LIKE THE PRESIDENT. HAVE YOU EVER HEARD OF "CASSETA E PLANETA"? THIS IS JUST ONE OF THE UNCOUNTABLE EXAMPLES.

Have you seen any article on this site that was as hard on Brazilians as this program was on Americans? Have you maybe caught onto the fact that 90% of the writers of articles on this site are Brazilians or of Brazilian heritage? So, if there are propagandists on this site, who must they be? Surely not Americans, who write only about 10% of the articles, most of which are like this one, saying good things about Brazil. I personally have heard much worse things about Brazil from Brazilians than I ever have from any Americans.


- fake statistics;
- the propagandists are in the comments when the article isn't propagandist per se;
- Brazilians naturaly over-critize Brazil, much more than any american would. Americans decide to be blind-deaf-dumb about anything their government do, even when it's obviously lying;

In the U.S., students are taught in school how to recognize various propaganda techniques (of course, some students learn these lessons better than others), and allowed to make their own minds about what is propaganda and what is not.


Bull.

I dispute your contention that the U.S. is the greatest purveyor of racist organizations and propaganda. This is simply not true. You are the one that needs to get your facts straight.


This is true. This is one of safe lands for such people. They would be prosecuted if they were in Europe. Later I will post some links for you to see.
Para me
written by A brazilian, December 18, 2006
Did anyone say, "you have to agree with me"?

What I wrote is only the truth.


Mas isso não é verdade por uma longa margem! Você simplesmente duvida de organizações racistas nos EUA, e isso não é novidade alguma. É nessa terra que esse mal criou raízes.
Para EfoYao
written by A brazilian, December 18, 2006
Se acompanhasse os demais artigos cuidadosamente você veria que eu e vários outros brasileiros foram ofendidos por todo o tipo de escória que freqüenta esse site. Essa minha atitude é apenas para avisar os brasileiros que aqui vêm que fiquem preparados para encontrar um bando de doentes e mal-educados visando destruir a imagem do Brasil internacionalmente.

É até ridículo, um deles é o "ch.c", dá uma olhada nas mensagens dele e veja se estamos exagerando ao chamar esse site de propagandista. Se ele fosse apenas uma exceção ele seria apenas um chato, mas esses fóruns estão repletos de doentes como ele. Não há boa fé em nada disso aqui.
OK, I give up.
written by me, December 18, 2006
"A Brazilian" is hopeless.
Para me
written by A brazilian, December 18, 2006
Depois da quantidade de merda que você colocou aqui nessa porcaria de fórum, desistiu? Já não era sem tempo.

Olha que absurdo, o seu exemplo do "show de TV" foi uma das coisas mais ridículas que eu já ouvi na minha vida. O Casseta e Planeta faz piada do presidente toda semana (eles ainda tem o programa?) no canal mais visto no Brasil. Isso sem contar nas inúmeras charges e outras publicações que avacalham com eles.

Mas esses americanos são doidos!
OK, I stand corrected.
written by me, December 18, 2006
Dear "A Brazilian",

OK, I stand corrected about the political satire. I was relating a real comment from a real friend who lives in Brazil, was born in Brazil, and is a Brazilian citizen, made to me while I was in Sao Paulo. Perhaps he was misinformed.

Tell me, when was the most recent time that "O Casseta e Planeta" depicted Lula as a sandwich filled with human feces?

But really, you missed the entire point of my example. The point was to show how REAL Nazis acted. I suggest that you read some history books if you still didn't understand.

Furthermore, you have just proved my point and the point of others who have commented here that you have closed your mind to all meaningful debate. If you read carefully what I wrote, you would see that I wrote nothing against Brazil. I have many friends in Brazil. I love Brazil and hope for the best for it.

Personal attacks just show that you have no rational argument to give.

I stand by my assertion: "A Brazilian" is hopeless.

Me, check this out
written by A brazilian, December 19, 2006
Tell me, when was the most recent time that "O Casseta e Planeta" depicted Lula as a sandwich filled with human feces?


Mas que diferença isso faz!? O fato de brasileiros não compartilharem do mesmo gosto por piadas com fezes, urina e peido prova o quê? Realmente, eu nunca lembro de ter visto na TV ou em qualquer lugar piadas envolvendo fluídos humanos sobre ninguém, nem político, nem artista e nem Zé Ninguém. No entanto o presidente é constantemente avacalhado como um alcólatra, especialmente por causa da reação desproporcional que ele teve sobre o artigo do jornalista americano.

Aquele jornalista americano que fez parecer que os hábitos de bebida do presidente fossem importantes. Eu nunca tinha ouvido falar disso e nem visto na TV e nem na internet antes daquele barulho todo.

Furthermore, you have just proved my point ...


Provei? Você apenas afirmou que as crianças são educadas para identificar propaganda, com 0 evidências, e que os EUA não são o país com as maiores organizações racistas do mundo, com 0 evidências também. A tua sorte é que eu tenho o que fazer da vida e não tenho tempo de ficar procurando no Google tais informações.

Procure no Google as palavras: eugenics USA Nazism

Você encontrará sites como esse: http://www.nature.com/embor/jo...00158.html

The author's central thesis is that Nazi racial hygiene and its ultimate manifestations in the Holocaust were imported lock, stock and barrel from the USA, and that, indeed, it was US ruling elites who hatched the idea of creating a master Aryan race by selective breeding and then passed it along to the Nazis. More specifically, Black argues that the Rockefeller Foundation (RF) and the Carnegie Institution of Washington (CIW) funded much of the American-based movement, both at home and abroad, and so sat in the driver's seat guiding Nazi racial hygienists along their fateful path.


E mais:

...and the role of eugenicists (particularly in the USA before 1933) in passing legislation legalizing compulsory sterilization, immigration restriction of those deemed genetically unfit, and the reaffirmation or strengthening of existing anti-miscegenation laws...


Ah é, os Estados Unidos são o país onde leis anti-miscigenação perduraram por muito tempo até recentemente! Vai ver que é por isso que os negros americanos são mentalmente afetados, como demonstrado no artigo sobre mulatos.
Para me
written by Bryan, December 19, 2006
Unfortunately, yes, with every word, A Brazilian repeats himself or herself over and over with no additional points. Just the same tired lines. Like a stuck record. And it is sad because clearly this is an intelligent and patient person. But one who is closed minded. Not worth the energy to debate. Too bad, because I was hoping for meaningful discussion. He is right though about the newspapers. The politicians there get creamed because just like on this site, in the press people can write anything and they do. No regard for truth or facts. Just like A Brazilian. Lots of Brazilian struggle with this, unfortunately. Freedom of press can be a blessing and a curse, when the standards for journalistic integrity are different in different places.
Para A Brazilian
written by Bryan, December 19, 2006
In the U.S., students are taught in school how to recognize various propaganda techniques (of course, some students learn these lessons better than others), and allowed to make their own minds about what is propaganda and what is not. --- Not bull. Come to the US and see for yourself. Though some schools are better than others. You are just so full of hate. I truly feel sorry for you.

To all, happy holidays. I am leaving for Rio!
E a geografia?
written by A brazilian, December 19, 2006
Not bull. Come to the US and see for yourself.


E isso vem antes ou depois das aulas de geografia? Todos nós sabemos que americanos são especialistas em geografia! smilies/smiley.gif
Try your own search, "A Brazilian"
written by me, December 19, 2006
A Brazilian,

Try seaching google for "Brazil Nazi Eugenics" or better yet, "Brazil Nazi". I think that this a a case of "the pot calling the kettle black". Sure there are problems in the US. Sure there are problems in Brazil, too.

It's hopeless trying to debate with someone who refuses to even look at more than one side of an issue. Sorta reminds me of my sister when we were kids. Metaphorically, you could tell her "it's day, look at the sun shining", and she
would respond "No it's night. The bright light in the sky must just be from a streetlight."

OK, from now on, I'm going to try to igore your posts. Any further discussion is useless until you realize that you are being just as extreme as "ch.c". That Swiss gentleman never has anything good to say about Brazil; you never have anthing good to say about any other country, but at least he doesn't make personal insults against persons he disagrees with.

Try your own research is a good suggestion
written by Pagú, December 19, 2006
“read what you write! Read what I write. I have said 100 times I am interest in Brazil and truth and truth about other places. How can you say this unless you are totally racist and unaware or totally uninterested in what you claim to be interested in: truth and fairness. Perhaps you don't really want to do anything but complain!”

I do not understand, If I did not agree with Bryan’s writing why he and others can’t be a sport, and acknowledge that people are critical that piece of writings and opinions are subjected to critics. So I do not consider the restaurant a tribute to US, so what? that sounds extremely presumptuous and arrogant for me and also your attitude towards a reader’s opinion. If people admire some part of the underground American culture you do not need to understand that as a praise to your imperialistic culture!

Bryan, you are not the only American who writes on this site and you are not the last one that will insult Brazil and Brazilians gratuitously. That is what A brazilian is responding to. If you cannot read me’s and other posters comments insulting us that is something you’d have to deal with, and if your lady do not acknowledges how you feel about Brazilians, then with time she will learn on her skin!

“I am done discussing with this guy until he admits his own bias. You cannot have rational discussions with someone who is so full of hate that he prefers ignorance to actual knowledge. Don't waste your breath.”
Your comment sounds as the perfect example of perfect American fascism. You won’t speak to the guy until he admits his bias! That sounds terrible, but do you care? Maybe you are having a hard time understanding a different culture and if you weren’t so arrogant you would realize that and give it a thought. Who says you’re honestly interested. I hope so. But these site has its portion of racist people, that is why a honest conversation is so difficult.
I have to agree with A brazilian that I always had a vision of US as a fascist society. It praises the beauty, the youth, the wealth and so on, not features all the American population acquire, it seems the “different” ones are mostly marginalized and ridiculized. I’ve read that the Nazi thought is an extension of various philosophies. According to Nazism, it is an obvious mistake to permit or encourage multiculturalism within a nation. Both popular thought and academic scholarship, Nazism is generally considered a form of fascism - with "fascism" defined so as to include any of the authoritarian, nationalist, totalitarian, and right-wing movements that developed in Europe around the same time. Fascism is a radical totalitarian political philosophy that combines elements of corporatism, authoritarianism, extreme nationalism, militarism, anti-anarchism, anti-communism and anti-liberalism. Fascism has expressed itself through both political and economic practices, and academics have examined these elements both together and in isolation. Thayer Watkins, a professor of Economics from San José State University, identifies fascism as aligned with corporatism, a form of economic oppression that he argues includes most of the world's governments. I wish you can provide more facts than simply stating what your opinion is about US fascists groups.
Para a Brazilian
written by Bryan, December 19, 2006
You mean the part where they teach us that South America is a different continent? Who would want to live on the same continent with an arrogant bigot like you?
continues
written by Pagú, December 19, 2006
Me, since you sound so familiar and also you answer in a bossy manner I will consider you the responsible for the site, ok? We consider this site a racist propaganda for US interests spreading defamation about Brazil. And me, you being a Brazilian expat who profits from these Nazi propaganda against Brazil, beneficed with the Brazilian public university education is the real shame in all this. You say Brazilians criticize their country. I’d like to know your comment about the reasons Brazil is still a third world country, despite of it’s richness. Do you know Brazil history? Do you know that Brazil never left being the slave and dependent country from the worldwide order in every century there is? How about now? Who or what international organizations rule the world and specially the countries in development, do you know? You say about close-minded, but Americans or Americanized fellows think that NYT, and David Letterman, South Park shows all there is in the world, there’s no philosophy apart from this point of views. All this just to say that your visions of American mainstream society, even if it’s divided by two, are just that TWO visions. If they enough for you, that’s your issue, but don’t come try brainwash on the internet because you will always be challenged and never taken seriously. But, of course your interests are pure commercial and me and A brazilian are giving our contribution to this “open-minded and honest discussion” that takes place in the world wide web. So, if you and others don’t mind answering the questions that are posed to you, that would add to the forum. I, have my opinions and hope they got clearer.

EfoYao, your comment is ridiculous, right-wing Americans are the ones who most show their intolerance without any motives especially reading that the ARTICLES’ tones that appear here are extremely brown journalism. Browse the site’s forum before it is deleted for good! Also, anyone who surfs past threads can see what a BS you and they are talking. Obviously, you being nicknamed allow cowardly hide yourselves behind your pc screens, but not for the good “understander”, half a word is enough. Kids, study history and geopolitics if you are interested in the global forces and why the nations of the world are the way they are!
Pagu
written by EfoYao, December 19, 2006
If you want to be taken seriously yourself, then actually read and consider what people say. You are close minded. And you don't know what you are saying: "Obviously, you being nicknamed allow cowardly hide yourselves behind your pc screens, but not for the good “understander”, half a word is enough" makes no sense. Sorry. You feel free to go on hating others. I will feel free to pity you for being foolish and afraid.
Pagu & A Brazilian
written by EfoYao, December 19, 2006
Rodney does not even bother corresponding with people here. He barely answers his writers. I am not going to bother either because you don't want honest dialogue just a forum for your hate. BUT if you hate it so much, either stop coming here or write articles to change it. If not, then you should stop complaining, because you are doing nothing about it.
Não Foi eu is all American culture can provide? Gees
written by Pagú, December 19, 2006
Sure, EfoYao, sure. You cannot find reasonable arguments then let historic archives give the meaning for all the fascist BS, okay?

" Any further discussion is useless until you realize that you are being just as extreme as "ch.c". That Swiss gentleman never has anything good to say about Brazil; you never have anthing good to say about any other country, but at least he doesn't make personal insults against persons he disagrees with."

A quick browse and I found this pearls of tolerance and fairness.... uh la la

So awful
written by Linda, 2006-12-14 06:24:33

It seems to me such lady built a professional career with the ass and now is mad.


"a Brazilian" otário!
written by gringo dingo, 2006-12-17 15:53:56

All you Gringo hating lowlives....this isn't about America vs. Brazil, Guantanamo or George Bush. It's about protecting YOU from your corrupt leaders who don't care if planes collide with each other as long as your corrupt leaders avoid blame.
Uma Outra Proposta
written by Paulo, 2006-12-17 18:36:03

Para "A Brazilian" - Cale a sua boca. Você é uma idiota

Make sure you all see this is a sample..
não foi eeu!!
written by Pagú, December 19, 2006
"Rodney does not even bother corresponding with people here. He barely answers his writers. I am not going to bother either because you don't want honest dialogue just a forum for your hate."

Sure, you people never answer when others challenge you. At this moment you start the insulting brazzil session . smilies/wink.gif
Pagu
written by EfoYao, December 19, 2006
You are insulting me and then you are calling me a bigot and you quote other people. I did not say those things. I have never said those things. I never will. You cannot even see that you make no sense. You are hating me and anyone American. Why? Because some other people insulted Brazil or said bad things here. That is ridiculous. And it is why there is no point talking to you. Because you are stereotyping all Americans because of some idiots. There are idiots like this in every culture. Would you want me to assume you are like all Brazilians who say terrible things just because you are Brazilian. I don't think so.
não foi eu
written by Pagú, December 19, 2006
Oh sweet EfoYao, my comment is so clear up there... why do you think I insult you and called you a bigot? I did said your comment is ridiculous, pardon me, and also that all the ones who insult me, a brazilian and brazilians as a whole, are protected by nicknames so all a person can do is research to understand it in a whole. But forgive me if you are not one of those who insult all brazilians and me, why you should place yourself as someone who gratuitously does it? My, don't be so defensive! Understand, the critics are for those who behave badly here, not for all people in the internet and the site!
To Pagu:
written by me, December 19, 2006
My uncle died fighting the Nazis. Several other members of my family fought against them too, but they were lucky enough to have lived through it. So don't be talking to me about how people in the U.S. love Nazis (and I will be bossy about this).

Beyond that, I am happy to see the questions in your post.

My "bossy manner" as you call it, is not intended to be that at all. I think you misunderstood my posts, or maybe you saw some post from another "me". You will find that I am completely willing to change my mind or admit that I am wrong if the facts indicate that I should do so.

Also, don't get the idea that I am a Brazilian expat. I am not. I did have an education at a good university in the U.S., but I had to work while I was attending and I had pay for all of the expenses myself. I am very familiar with the Portuguese language (it might surprise you how well I can speak it), and with the geography and cultures of Brazil. But that doesn't make me an expert on Brazil. Brazil is a big country, and no one knows everything about it, not even Brazilians. There are a lot of good things about Brazil, and I love the country and its people very much. There are also a lot of bad things about Brazil and it frustrates me when it doesn't seem like anything is being done to make them better.

I've spent a lot of time in Brazil. Whenever I go there, I talk with people of all walks of life: Farmers from the countryside, household workers, taxi drivers, professionals, etc. I ask them what their problems are, what they worry about, and what they think that the future will bring for Brazil.

I disagree that this site is dedicated to anti-Brazilian propaganda, but I understand how you could think that. You should keep in mind that, some people of other countries probably think that this site is dedicated to anti-US and anti-EU propaganda. I think that in fact the site was originally intended to increase the understanding of Brazil for people of other countries - that's why it is English. I started visiting it to read the articles (I also read the online versions of O Estado and O Folha), so that I can keep in touch with what is going on in Brazil while I am in the U.S. It's true that a lot of the posts here are offensive and disagreeable. Sometimes it takes a lot of will power not to stoop to the level of someone like Costinha, who only posts insults in the most disagreeable language. But I have learned a lot by reading the posts here, even the ones that I personally disagree with. There is a phrase in English, “You don’t get honey kicking over the beehive.” Essentially, a relatively large proportion of the posters here are trying to get honey by kicking over the beehive, or maybe they are kicking it over just because they like to get stung.
To Pagu: (continued)
written by me, December 19, 2006
As for your questions, from what I have heard from talking with Brazilians, there are many reasons for Brazil being underdeveloped. I don’t think of Brazil as a third-world country. I prefer to think of Brazil as a developing country, and I think it has a lot of potential in the coming century. In fact, on a recent visit, I told one of my Brazilian friends that I expected that Brazil would be a world power within the next fifty years. The response was “I hope it doesn’t take that long.” The reason that I think it could take fifty years, is because there are many social structures that need to be rebuilt in order for Brazil to make real progress for all of its citizens, and such an enormous undertaking can take a very long time.

Historically, colonialism, the “Colonels”, slavery, etc. played their part in holding back advancement.

Currently, the biggest reason for lack of progress by Brazil seems to be lack of good quality, universal education. Without a large and well-educated workforce, progress cannot be made. Another reason could be poor social organization. The political structure doesn't allow for free progress, and the burden of excessive salaries and benefits for government employees prevents developing the infrastructure, such as roads, schools, etc. A lot of people complain that taxes are too high, but say that they wouldn’t object to paying them if they felt like the government was returning some benefits to them for the taxes that they pay.

Many people in Brazil complain about lack of security. This is the number one complaint in the big cities, but not so much in the countryside. Of course, without security, it is difficult to make progress. From what I have heard some of the problems are:
1)Inapplicability of the law to underage persons, who are recruited by criminals to act as proxies (this happens in the U.S. too).
2)Punishments that are too lenient (are there “mandatory sentences” in Brazil? I don’t think so, correct me if I’m wrong).
3)A low solution and prosecution rate for crimes.
4)Police corruption (we have that too in the U.S., but in spite of what you might see in U.S. television programs and movies, it’s not all that common).

I know that there are some people in Brazil that think that foreign interference is keeping Brazil from advancing, but really I don’t think that is currently true. At least, I have seen no concrete evidence of that. There have been a lot of financial problems in Brazil in the recent past, which were mainly due to the governments of Brazil irresponsibly borrowing too much money from foreign sources and then having problems paying it back. I was in Brazil during the inflation of the 1990’s and I know what a difficult time that was. Corruption certainly played a part in inefficient application of the funds as well.

Another big problem is the complex bureaucracy that is a holdover from colonial times. This makes commerce and legal matters extremely complex and inefficient. Essentially, through the bureaucracy the government doesn’t trust anyone to be honest, and people usually live up to (or down to) the expectations.

Also, people have told me that corruption should be punished. There will always be some corruption, since it is part of human nature, but I agree that it should be discouraged. Before anyone accuses me of being unfair by bringing this up, there is a U.S. Congressman from my own state who is currently serving eight years in prison for corruption. Not only that, but the government confiscated the property that he had gained through corruption and sold it at auction. People here were genuinely shocked that he had done such a thing. It seems that there are some more U.S. government officials involved in the scandal, and I hope that they get the same treatment.

I also think that in order to make real progress, the biggest change must be in the attitudes of the people of Brazil. They must open their minds, dream big, and then work, and work hard, to make their dreams real. It’s possible. Two hundred years ago, the U.S. was a poor country, with a colonial past similar to that of Brazil. I’m not saying that Brazil should be like the U.S., but that Brazil should have its own path to development and should live its own dreams.

You asked for my opinion, that’s it.

Dear Pagu
written by EfoYao, December 20, 2006
If I misconstrued your comments, desculpe me. But many here have been attacking so many of us, and it seemed your tone and quotes we accusatory toward myself and "me" and I don't think we are the ones you are objecting to at all. We are sympathetic and equally disturbed by disrespectful comments printed here by Brazilians or Americans or others. And we would like to see more productive dialog. (sorry to speak for you me, but I think you would agree with this, so I am.) Like the guy who wrote this article is not attacking Brazil, yet people are attacking him and calling his racist, etc. The problem seems to be a readiness to attack people not for who they are but for what others have done. And that is not productive. Wouldn't you agree?
EfoYao
written by Pagu, December 21, 2006

I hate to say but I find your comment ridiculous and deliberately, or not, naive in the least after what's been written. I think you did not understand what I said. I never said the guy who wrote this article was attacking Brazil. He called myself illiterate, as others are used to call Brazilians here which is lamentable seeing how stupid they are themselves, he also was only just arrogant, authoritarian and reactionary and I simply lost my temper. No one else was attacking him but myself after being myself attacked. If you try you'll see well that I was commenting his article. He's the writer and the text he wrote does not belong to him it is public domain. If he wanted to discuss my opinion and he wanted to correct it ! I see no reason whatsoever to discuss this.

I don't mind what are your opinions about Brazil or other subjects. I can express my opinions as well over a lot of subjects and if people cannot accept that than its not me that is at the wrong place. It is not me that is not accepting my part. "Bananalandia" is huge indeed and you'll find a big diversity of people . I also loved to know if it is common the belief that the gringos abroad are protecting Brazil from our corrupt politicians as someone stated. That is laughable in the least. Sorry if this is not what you wanted to hear.
Link to website for the restaurant for anyone who wants it
written by Bryan, December 21, 2006
Pagu
written by Bryan, December 21, 2006
I never called you illiterate. And I am sorry that you felt I did. But I was not arrogant or authoritarian. I have spent the past weeks being unfairly attacked and mislabeled as bigoted, racist, anti-Brazil and other ridiculous charges by people who never wasted time on reasonable discussion but just were there to draw blood. Your comments seemed to be joining in with them and I reacted accordingly. If you were unaware of what was going on, you could have easily discovered it by reading the posts. As for no one else attacking me, that is just not true. And no I don't share any opinion that gringos are protecting Brazil from their corrupt politicians. We have enough of our own to deal with.
Para Pagu
written by EfoYao, December 21, 2006
I see the author responded himself. I think he has been grossly misconstrued and I do not think your charges against him are at all fair. It is easy to see why he feels unfairly attacked for a very nice, fair article. I can respect opinions of those who differ from me, my issue is with those who demand respect without giving it. There are plenty like that here. But I am not saying you are one of them. If I thought you were, I would not engage in dialogue at this point, as I am exhausted from that crap. As for the gringos protecting Brazilians from their corrupt politicians that is as laughable as most of the stuff that these attackers have posted here this past week. And it is sad if anyone really believes that. However, the US has done plenty of benefit to many other countries, including Brazil. And continues to do so. Anyone who disagrees does not have their facts straight. That does not excuse bad foreign policy throughout history. It does not excuse abuses of power. All of those have occurred from time to time as they have by Brazil and other nations as well. As for calling my post laughable. I am sorry you misunderstood it, but I stand by it. Your comments were reactionary and incited response. They were intended, I believe, to create conflict. And if you did not intend that, you should reevaluate what you said as well. Or perhaps how you said it.
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written by A brazilian, December 21, 2006
However, the US has done plenty of benefit to many other countries, including Brazil. And continues to do so. Anyone who disagrees does not have their facts straight. That does not excuse bad foreign policy throughout history. It does not excuse abuses of power. All of those have occurred from time to time as they have by Brazil and other nations as well.


Diga uma coisa boa que a gringolândia tenha feito pelo Brasil?
answers
written by RosaPurpura-Pagu, December 21, 2006
I thought you were leaving for Rio! After reading your answer as opposed to my comments all I can say is that I am sorry but your comments fall on the ground at the first glance. I’ve been checking out, through a search, all you comments in Brazzil archives. I’ve seen your four articles published until now and none of them faced opposing besides this one and the one about the congresswoman candidate from Sao Paulo. I cannot call that as being overly attacked! Reading your answer to another reader though it is fun to see how you defend yourself by discrediting media news about the Iraq war and when one reads the same article you provide media credentials to base your point of view. How one can deny all the facts over this war in Iraq? Then you are capable of defending America by calling the name of Christ? OMG. Can you be a little more objective about this war as you were about the Brazilian congress woman candidate or even over this restaurant? Yes, I am sure freedom of press can be a blessing…. And specially a curse. As for living in a continent with an arrogant bigot like a Brazilian, better Americans continue not to learn geography and manipulation rhetoric in school so they’ won’t find out where most of the world is to use their knowledge!

“I can respect opinions of those who differ from me, my issue is with those who demand respect without giving it”

Your issue should be resolved with yourself not anybody else! Well at least you could not imitate one word I used to classify generically Americans! You love to show your reactionary point of view by not acknowledging my opinion over the article. My opinion is mine and they are not intended to create conflict. If you see it as opposing your system of belief then what we have is a cultural difference. Do not even try to convince me how I should think or how I should communicate. Have a kid and preach on him/her!

“However, the US has done plenty of benefit to many other countries, including Brazil. And continues to do so“.

Can you say several of this many benefits to many nations as well as in Brazil?

To me: I am sorry but if U.S. has this fame of being the greatest purveyor of racist organizations and propaganda this is not my fault neither A brazilian fault. See the American music scenery. OMG that is the most stupid ideology ever circulated through musique. Thanks to…

Another thing to my boring anonymous ideological enemy, I don’t open the archives I receive from anonymous cheaters even though it is saying it’s virus-free! What a childish old fart! Love to see how these guys show themselves as little angels. Didn’t my answer from yesterday pleased you as well as the one from Monday? I am not a dumb zombie as Americans love to transform their loved ones!

Pagu
written by Bryan, December 21, 2006
Your are entitled to your opinion. I was not talking about attacks from other articles, but this one. And there are legitimate news credentials one can find. But one has to be careful. I was selective in sources I used. As for the rest of what you have to say it is not worth responding to, as there is no point. We will never agree, but it is not true and I think it is just your way of goading me into an argument. And I respect your opinion but find it unfortunate. I am leaving. And was not intending to comment here further, but found myself checking on something and popped in.
Truly stupid
written by Gingo Dingo, December 22, 2006
Diga uma coisa boa que a gringolândia tenha feito pelo Brasil?


Since gringo actually means "foreigner" everything you use on a daily basis that was not invented or discovered in Brazil (Lightbulb, electricity, car, etc) is because of people from "gringolandia" and yes, although I’m sure this rankles you, Brazil has benefitted.

By the way what are you currently typing on? Now ask yourself, was this magical electronic device invented in Brazil?

“A Brazilian”, you and the millions like you in Brazil is the reason this country is in such a mess. Take a bow. Your stupidity knows no bounds.
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written by amnistia internacional, December 22, 2006
Feliz aniversario", sr. Presidente
Estimado Sr. George W. Bush,

Ahora que está a punto de cumplirse el 5º aniversario del campo de detenidos de Guantánamo, quiero felicitarle a usted por varios motivos:
1. Por habérselas arreglado para mantener un centro de detención ilegal abierto durante tanto tiempo ante la pasividad de la comunidad internacional;
2. Por intentar reducir a cenizas la Convención de Ginebra, después de más de medio siglo de vigencia.
3. Por haber descubierto que hay seres humanos sin derechos humanos;
4. Por mantener bajo detención prolongada a cientos de detenidos sin cargo ni juicio, permitiendo las torturas y los malos tratos;
5. Por hacer desaparecer a un número desconocido de personas, y por hacerlo, eso sí, en nombre de la libertad;
6. Por haber conseguido que sean admisibles las pruebas obtenidas mediante tortura u otros tratos o penas crueles, inhumanos o degradantes;
7. Por conseguir que muchos países, entre ellos muchos de Europa, le presten sus bases y aeropuertos para dichos propósitos.
Por todo ello, le hago llegar mis felicitaciones. Pero de paso, también le envío mi más airada condena y rechazo a la existencia de Guantánamo y el resto de centros de detención.
Le exijo a usted que cierre el centro de detención de Guantánamo y que libere a los detenidos a menos que los acusen de un delito común reconocible y los juzguen de conformidad con las normas internacionales de justicia procesal, en un tribunal que no imponga la pena de muerte.


Para Gringo Dingo
written by A brazilian, December 22, 2006
Isso não fazer algo pelo mundo, é simplesmente comércio. Nada é dado de graça. Quem faz algo pelo mundo, o faz em benefício das pessoas, não em benefício de sua própria conta bancária.

Você é um animal mesmo.
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written by amnistia internacional, December 22, 2006
Global action against Guantánamo
إقرأ باللغة العربية, lire en français, leer en español



16 December 2006 marks the start of a series of protests across the world with renewed calls on the US government to close Guantánamo.

In January 2002, the US authorities transferred the first "war on terror" detainees – hooded and shackled – to the US Naval Base in Guantánamo Bay, Cuba.

Despite major international outcry and expert condemnation, hundreds of people of more than 30 nationalities continue to be held there: without charge, and with little hope of obtaining a fair trial. Though US authorities have repeatedly called the detainees "terrorists" and "killers", many have been released without charge.

US official investigators and detainees have reported torture and other ill-treatment, and the conditions of detention remain inhumane.

Justice for Guantánamo detainees! The detention camp approaches its 5th anniversary

In January 2002, the US authorities transferred the first "war on terror" detainees – hooded and shackled – to the US Naval Base in Guantánamo Bay, Cuba. Despite widespread international condemnation, hundreds of people of more than 30 nationalities remain there.

The US administration chose Guantánamo as the location for this detention facility in an attempt to keep the detainees out of the reach of the US courts.

The totality of the detention regime in Guantánamo – harsh, indefinite, isolating and punitive – amounts to cruel, inhuman or degrading treatment in violation of international law.

The detainees and their families face severe psychological distress. In desperation, numerous detainees have embarked on hunger strikes, being kept alive through painful force feeding procedures. A number have attempted suicide. In June 2006, three detainees were found dead in their cells; they had apparently hanged themselves.

As more evidence surfaces that the abuse of Guantánamo detainees has been widespread, condemnation at home and abroad increases. Amnesty International was one of the first voices to call for the camp to be closed, and many other organizations, institutions and individuals have since expressed their outrage at the detention centre.

On 29 June 2006, the US Supreme Court ruled that the military commissions established by President Bush to try "war on terror" detainees were unlawful.

Instead of using the ruling as a springboard for change, the US government responded with new legislation – the Military Commissions Act 2006 - further restricting judicial review of detentions and providing for the trial by military commission of foreign nationals held by the US anywhere in the world as "enemy combatants".

This act undermines basic principles of justice and opens the door to more human rights violations and impunity in the name of counter-terror.

Guantánamo is a symbol of this injustice. The US government must close it.

Detainees must either be released will full protections or charged and tried in full and fair proceedings.
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written by Pagu, December 22, 2006
Dear Donna Hrinak - US Ambassador Federative Republic of Brazil

It is nearly five years since the first detainees were transferred to the detention camp at the US Naval Base in Guantánamo Bay, Cuba. More than 400 detainees remain held there indefinitely, causing serious distress to them and their families, and serious damage to the rep**ation of your country.

I believe that lasting security and real justice for the victims of terrorism cannot be achieved without respect for the human rights of all detainees and fair trials for anyone suspected of involvement in terrorism. I do not believe that the Military Commissions Act, signed into law by President Bush on 17 October 2006 can bring this about. Instead it threatens to entrench into legislation policies that have been widely condemned.

Five years on, the Guantánamo detention camp has become an icon of injustice committed in the “war on terror”, undermining security and respect for the rule of law. It must be closed down.

The closure of this detention facility must not lead to the transfer of human rights violations elsewhere. All those in US custody, wherever they are held, must have their human rights fully respected. Secret and indefinite detention must end. Those who are not to be charged with criminal offences and brought to a full and fair trial should be released. The case of each detainee to be released must be individually assessed to ensure that he is not transferred to a country where he will face further human rights violations.

I recall President Bush’s repeated assertions that the USA remains committed to the “non-negotiable demands of human dignity”, including the rule of law. I urge you to relay my concern to the US administration and to do all in your influence to make respect for human rights and the rule of law a reality for all those in US custody and their families.

Thank you!


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written by Pagu, December 22, 2006
"“A Brazilian”, you and the millions like you in Brazil is the reason this country is in such a mess. Take a bow. Your stupidity knows no bounds. "

The millions of Brazilians who do not support a detrimental culture in the world like yours? Oh, ok, that's our fault, sure it is! Maybe if you ask your Brazilian associates what were their options in last elections, you will see that you hang out with the ignorant Brazilians, likes attract likes!
Pagu
written by EfoYao, December 22, 2006
You do not have the correct facts. The Brazilian media reports, which I have followed, have been full of half truths and distortions. No one will waste their time debating your incorrect assertions. Because you will just insult them and call them a liar. I am sure any of us here could take your past postings, cut them apart and use them in a way that makes you look foolish. Anyone can do that to anyone. It does not prove you know the person or that you are representing them accurately. Nor does it prove your superiority. Instead it only proves your lack of respect and arrogance. You complain about how you were treated and look what you are doing? I am sure your comments will be ignored by Bryan as there is no point responding. You are just deliberately making an ass of yourself. And thus, this will be my final response as well. Most of the comments here have nothing to do with the article written above. That is what I think Bryan objects to. Instead people like you have made this about all kinds of issues. But nothing in this article or other articles by this author in any way indicates that he is anything all of you say he is. Why should he waste his time arguing with people who have tried and condemned him with no evidence? I am sure you will now show me the same disrespect. But who cares. Your opinion is not worth considering in the slightest.
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written by Pagu1, December 22, 2006
EfoYao

You souldn't waste your time answering such an idiotic response.
ugh
written by gringo dingo, December 22, 2006
Isso não fazer algo pelo mundo, é simplesmente comércio. Nada é dado de graça. Quem faz algo pelo mundo, o faz em benefício das pessoas, não em benefício de sua própria conta bancária.


Wow, you are one thick SOB.

So you are saying that the internet, the various medical breakthroughs and cures, as well as other planet changing “gringolandia” inventions do NOT benefit other nations because commerce is involved? Well than, I suggest that you turn off your computer, and not waste any more reais in protest. And the next time you’re sick and need a shot of penicillin or any other “evil gringo capitalistic cure”, tell the doctor NO, because it really doesn’t benefit humanity because someone somewhere made a buck inventing it.

Você é um animal mesmo.


Coming from a single celled mono synaptic flibbertigibbet such as yourself, I’ll take that as a compliment.

The millions of Brazilians who do not support a detrimental culture in the world like yours?


Canada? Well, um, err, I knew we had our faults but I didn’t think our nascent Canadian culture was so detrimental to the planet. Hmmmmm. I’ll have a chat with my MP the next time I’m back home in Vancouver. Thanks for bringing that up to me. I’ll get right on it.
EfoYao
written by Pagu, December 22, 2006

You shouldn't waste your time writing such an idiotic response.
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written by A brazilian, December 22, 2006
So you are saying that the internet, the various medical breakthroughs and cures, as well as other planet changing “gringolandia” inventions do NOT benefit other nations because commerce is involved?


Estou dizendo que há uma imensa diferença em ajudar pessoas e ajuda a si próprio. Nada disso foi criado pelo bem da humanidade, mas sim para fazer dinheiro e ajudar a vocês mesmos. Se outras pessoas usam qualquer bugiganga inventada por gringos, é apenas devido a sua ganância.

Não venha com esse papo de "bondade", pois não existe bondade em relações comerciais, apenas lucro.
A Brazilian
written by guest1, December 24, 2006
But above, you said that you (speaking for all Brazilians) didn't want or need any help from anyone. Which is it going to be?
Pagu
written by EfoYao, December 25, 2006
You shouldn't waste all of our time being an idiot but you do.
Pagu, when you have a moral ground to stand on, then we can talk.
written by EfoYao, December 25, 2006
http://web.amnesty.org/report2006/bra-summary-eng

Public security and killings by the police

Reports of extrajudicial executions, excessive use of force and the systematic use of torture by state police forces persisted. Many states continued to defend tough policing policies to counter high levels of crime.

The number of people killed by police in situations officially registered as “resistance followed by death” (implying that the police had acted in self-defence) remained high in the states of Rio de Janeiro and São Paulo. Between 1999 and 2004, more than 9,000 cases of police killings, predominantly “resistance followed by death”, were recorded in the two states. Investigations into these killings continued to be minimal.

There were also recurrent reports of human rights violations by federal and state police officers involved in corrupt and criminal activity, and of killings perpetrated by “death squads” involving active and former members of the police. State governments consistently failed to implement the public security reforms set out in the proposed Single Public Security System (SUSP) and the federal government focused its attention on police training rather than broader human rights-based reforms. As a result, residents of poor communities continued to suffer discriminatory, invasive and violent policing which failed to combat crime or provide any form of security.

* On 31 March, 29 people were killed in the Baixada Fluminense district of Rio de Janeiro. The killings were attributed to a “death squad” of military police officers, who drove through the towns of Queimados and Nova Iguaçu shooting randomly at passers-by. Ten military police officers and one former police officer were arrested and charged with murder. The joint federal and civil police investigation linked at least 15 earlier killings to the massacre suspects, who were believed to have been involved in kidnapping and extorting money from lorry drivers.

While official statistics of police killings declined in São Paulo, human rights groups and residents of poor communities reported several multiple homicides allegedly committed by police officers.

* On 22 June, five youths aged between 14 and 22 were reportedly executed by members of the civil police in the Morro do Samba community in Diadema. During a raid on the area, 35 police officers reportedly cornered the five in a house and sprayed them with machine-gun fire from the door and through the roof. Investigations into the killings were reportedly closed as the Internal Investigations Unit claimed the victims were all drug traffickers. Some family members of the dead youths were forced to leave the community for fear of reprisals.

In November the parliamentary Commission of Inquiry of the lower house of Congress published its final report on “death-squad” activity in the north-east, detailing cases from nine states. According to one of the parliamentarians responsible for the report, all involved active or former police officers. The report found links between state officials, business interests and organized crime across the north-east.

THIS IS JUST ABOUT HOW THE BRAZILIAN AUTHORIITIES KILL THEIR OWN PEOPLE, read more at the link.
Pagu cont'd
written by EfoYao, December 25, 2006
Torture and ill-treatment

Torture and ill-treatment continued to be used at the time of arrest, during interrogations and as a means of control within the detention system. There were also many reports of torture being used by law enforcement officials for criminal ends.

Impunity persisted and lack of published information about prosecutions under the 1997 Torture Law made the extent of the problem uncertain. The federal government’s promised campaign against torture was finally launched in December. Proposals for Brazil to ratify the UN Optional Protocol to the UN Convention against Torture were pending before Congress.

Throughout 2005 there were reports of torture in São Paulo’s FEBEM juvenile detention centres. Punishment units were reportedly staffed by guards from the adult prison system, contrary to the law. In the Vila Maria unit, which was reportedly used as a punishment centre, detainees were allegedly tortured and locked up all day. Concern was heightened by attempts by the authorities to block access to the detainees.

Riots within the juvenile detention system led to the death of at least five young detainees. In an apparent attempt to undermine the work of human rights groups, Governor Geraldo Alckmin accused two leading human rights activists – Conceição Paganele and Ariel de Castro Alvez – of inciting the riots. In November the Inter-American Commission on Human Rights ordered the Brazilian government to take measures to improve the FEBEM system.

* In September, the mother of a juvenile in the Vila Maria unit reported that her son had been so severely beaten by wardens that he was urinating blood. Another imprisoned juvenile showed his mother bruising and signs of torture. He told her that the director of the unit had personally ordered that his food be withheld. He was kept for four days in solitary confinement, after being dragged out of class by a guard who shot five times into the ceiling to intimidate him.

In April, two civil police officers, from Xinguara in the state of Pará, were convicted of the torture of a 15-year-old boy in 1999. The boy was severely beaten and suffered continuing psychological problems. This was the first conviction for torture in the region.

In November a video was aired on television showing veteran soldiers of an armoured infantry unit in the state of Paraná inflicting electric shocks, drowning and branding with irons during an initiation ceremony of recent recruits. The army immediately announced the suspension of the commanding officer and an internal investigation.

Prison conditions

Conditions in prisons amounted to cruel, inhuman or degrading treatment, and the prison population continued to rise. Overcrowding, poor sanitation and lack of health facilities contributed to frequent riots and high levels of prisoner-on-prisoner violence. There were also consistent reports of violent and abusive behaviour by guards, including the use of torture and ill-treatment. Special punishment regimes for prisoners found guilty of crimes within the prison system continued to be used, although in July the National Council on Criminal and Penal Policy of the Ministry of Justice described them as unconstitutional and contrary to international standards for the protection of detainees.

In Rio de Janeiro, human rights groups denounced conditions in the Polinter pre-trial detention centre. In August the unit held 1,500 detainees in a space designed for 250, with an average of 90 men per 3m x 4m cell. Between January and June, three men were killed in incidents between prisoners. Officials in the detention centre were also forcing detainees to choose which criminal faction they wished to be segregated with inside Polinter. In November the Inter-American Commission on Human Rights ordered the Brazilian government to take measures to improve the situation.

In June, during a riot in Zwinglio Ferreira detention centre in Presidente Venceslau, São Paulo state, five detainees were beheaded by other prisoners from opposing prison gangs.

In November the federal Commission of Human Rights of Congress held a public hearing on women in detention. The Commission received reports of human rights violations against women detained in São Paulo, who suffered from overcrowding, especially the 52 per cent held, many irregularly, in police holding cells.
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written by Ric, December 25, 2006
Back to the subject at hand, it may be that prison attitudes and conditions would improve if the penal system were to provide decent food, like Tex-Mex. Nobody would riot or try to escape if by doing so they were walking away from a steady diet of tacos, tamales, enchiladas, and refried beans with rice. The prisons here serve barfy food which would make anyone angry, some jails serve no food at all and expect friends and family to bring meals in to the perps. Cleaner cells and Mexican food. That will make a difference.
Para guest
written by A brazilian, December 26, 2006
But above, you said that you (speaking for all Brazilians) didn't want or need any help from anyone. Which is it going to be?


Que merda é essa que você está dizendo? Ajuda? Que ajuda? Ninguém ajuda ninguém nesse mundo, o que é comprado não é ajudado, é simplesmente comércio e depois de pago não é mais seu, é meu. Entendeste, asno?

Hoje li um cientista reclamando do sistema de patentes e do seu uso para patentear drogas, que isso previne que pessoas pobres tenham acesso a medicamentos que poderiam salvar suas vidas. Tá aí seu imbecil todo "a ajuda" para o resto do mundo. O que manda nesse mundo é dinheiro.
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written by Ric, December 27, 2006
Ishe, mulher, é muito cínico. Só porque a sua vida parece chata não quer dizer que todo mundo é assim. É Natal. Respire bem fundo. Ninguem ajuda? Então sai daí e procura outro lugar.
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written by A brazilian, December 28, 2006
Ric, não entendi nada do que disseste. Você leu o que está escrito antes de escrever bobagens?
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written by Ric, January 01, 2007
Para falar a verdade, negativo. Não leio muito bem.
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written by me, January 05, 2007
La Raza and the Brown Berets aren't racist, Chicano?
Definition of racism
written by ThomWright, January 15, 2007
Accoridng to the dictionary racism is defined as follows, and sorry, Chicano, but this guy doesn't fit this category by anything he said. Only what other people have interpreted from it. That makes them the racists, not him.

Racism is a belief system or doctrine which states that inherent biological differences between human races determine cultural or individual achievement — with a corollary that one's own race is superior and has the right to rule others.[1]

The term racism is sometimes used to refer to preference for one's own ethnic group or heritage (ethnocentrism), fear of foreigners (xenophobia), views or preferences against mixing of the races (miscegenation), and/or a generalization of a specific group of people (stereotype).[2][3]

Racism has been used in attempts to justify social discrimination, racial segregation and violence, including genocide. Politicians are known to practice race baiting in an effort to win constituents. The term racist has been a pejorative term since at least the 1940s, and the identification of a group or person as racist is nearly always controversial.
You are the racist
written by Outro, January 15, 2007
Chicano, your comments all over the place show your racism and anger. You are the only one who is being racist.
You are wrong
written by Manasses, January 15, 2007
As someone who knows and has worked with Bryan in the U.S. and Brazil, I can say that it is sad how some fellow Brazilians and others here are trying to create a false image of him without really knowing him or even trying. While he may see things differently than some of us in his articles, he has clearly made an effort to promote Brazil in a positive light while still providing his own opinions on some of the things he and other tourists might find less positive experiences, and his perspective is natural for someone raised in another country. That does not make him racist. In fact, those calling him bigoted and racist are the only ones spewing hatred. He has not done so and continues to not do so. I could provide many commentaries from Brazilians who have had positive relationships with him. It is your loss that you have not taken the time to try this yourself. He has been a blessing to me, my family, my church, and our community.
Adios Chicano
written by Adios, January 16, 2007
Every post you make here is hateful. You disagree with everyone and everything. Everyone to you is a racist. Racism is hatred. So how come the one being hateful is you?
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written by Rafael, November 06, 2010
"I suggest that you turn off your computer, and not waste any more reais in protest. And the next time you’re sick and need a shot of penicillin or any other “evil gringo capitalistic cureâ"

And Americans brag about their educational system....

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