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Loco


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  É até ironico isso, pois muitos ditadores do Brasil eram gaúchos ou estudaram no Rio Grande do Sul, mas quando em 1962 o exército tentou chegar ao poder a população gaúcha foi contra.

 Por muito pouco o estado não entrou em guerra com o resto do país, muitas pessoas começaram a se alistar e a montar barricadas.

 Quando souberam que o exército mandaria aviões para bombardear Porto Alegre milhares de pessoas ficaram em volta do palácio do governo em vigilia.

 O exército só não conseguiu destruir porque os soldados gaúchos não deixaram os aviões voarem.

 Esse acontecimento ficou conhecido como a Campanha da Legalidade e o Brasil continuou uma democracia por mais dois anos, depois os militares chegaram ao poder.
Essa é uma história que poucos brasileiros conhecem.

 Os paranaenses e catarinenses são mais moderados, hoje em dia esses estados apesar de não serem governados pelo PT são aliados do Lula. Já o RS é bipolarizado, de um lado estão os petistas e do outros os anti-petistas. Apesar de o PT ter nascido em São Paulo foi no Rio Grande do Sul que ele ganhou força, apesar de aqui os petistas serem mais radicais enquanto no resto do país são moderados.

 Os gaúchos ficaram a favor de Vargas porque estava cegos pelo fato de um deles ter chegado ao poder, hoje em dia muitas ainda se orgulham mas conheço mais gente ainda que se envergonha. Apesar de tudo eu acho que o Vargas teve algumas coisas boas.

 Mas quam voce acha que estava certo? O sul que preferiu o trabalho livre ou o nordeste que preferia o trabalho escravo...?

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Liz


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OH, JOE GAHONA, LUCAS IS RIGHT FOR ONE MORE REASON ... HE IS A "MAC INTOSHICO"!!!! I've never net a Mac Intoshico that was not a nice guy.    :^)    Now, speaking seriously, ...
JOE, YOU DON'T NEED TO TELL BRAZILIANS TO STUDY THEIR ORIGINS. They do it a lot better than many Americans. Even more so if we consider the lack of infrastructure, money and education level of the country => THERE'S AN IMPRESSIVE PART OF THE POPULATION IN BRAZIL DEDICATED TO THE AFRO-BRAZILIAN RELIGIONS, TO CAPOEIRA, TO SAMBA, TO BRAZILIAN DANCES, SO MUCH SO THAT A LOT OF THEM END UP BECOMING FAMOUS HERE AND TEACHING THOSE AFRO-ORIGIN CULTURE PRACTICES.

On the other hand, the only black manifest that we can see bunches here in the USA is the rap music that, frankly, lacks a real sense of art and creativity, something that is quite abundant in all Brazilian arts.

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Liz


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LOCO, ISSO AI', DA' DE RELHO!!!
(and if you need any help with your English, it will be a pleasure to help you, to the extent and limit of my English knowledge, of course, but it would be interesting to have all the guys being able to read what you've said)
Actually, I bought some interesting books about the southern Brazilian history, and in English. In case anyone is interested, I can tell you the title, Publisher, year ...

TELL US MORE, LOCO!

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Liz


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Well, guys, I guess we are talking about two totally different worlds and cultures and, as it seems, there's no way to compare them with the intent of saying one or the other is better or worse. THEY ARE DIFFERENT.
As for self-esteem of black people in Brazil, there's an interesting issue. Brazilian black women look like they are proud of being black. And that is something to compliment. They are beautiful for what they are. They don't have, for instance, the necessity to get they hair straightened out each and everyday.
Just a thought.
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"Tudo vale a pena se a alma não é pequena"
Fernando Pessoa, Portuguese Poet

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Cleary you have NEVER lived in America the good ole' USA. Blacks aren't treated bad in restaraunts anymore, what era are you speaking of? Blacks are a thriving people in America, the average Black in a America is educated, attends college, and is middle class. The numbers are not huge like in Brazil between the rich, middle class, and the poor. I think you are sorely mistaken about race relations in America. I can't speak on the racial issues in Brazil, because I am not there and have never lived there. I have visited and I have been inside your ghettos and it ain't pretty. I've even interviewed some up and coming wannabe rappers inside the shantytowns.  In fact the story I worked on was in the american hip-hop magazine Vibe.

Whoever said that rap music isn't creative is truly lacking in the history of the music. First of all rap music and hip-hop is two different things. Second of all Rap music is not a SOLEY a Black invention, in fact the Puerto Ricans in the Bronx helped this creation come about along with Jamaican artist known as Reggae artist. Please research before speaking so uninformed. And Hip-Hop is seen as a culture it has reached far more people than I know Bossa Nova and Samba has. You go to any corner of this beautiful earth and you will find the influence of Hip-Hop. From Bosnia, Isreal, Japan, UK, India, and yes even Brazil, to Africa and so on. This music has joined more cultures together than any other kind of music. So before you so sarcastically disrespect a culture understand it. Again Hip-Hop and Rap music are not the same. And the music is extremely creative, with some very poweful artist. Lauryn Hill, Common, Erykah Badu, Nas, Jay Z, Biggie, Tupac, Jill Scott, Talib Kweli, The Roots, Dead Prez, Run DMC, LL Cool J, KRS1, 50 Cents, Eminem, Dr. Dre, Snoop, and the list goes on and on and on.

Lastly this isn't about whose better than anyone else. But clearly you ave no clue about the contributions that Blacks have made to the American culture. I am sure you are using something in your household invented by a Black American. For instance the lawn sprinker used to spray grass with water, ironing board, Guess who the "Real McCoy" was coined after, yep a Black inventor, the variation on classical music known as regime Black again, the perm or relaxer that women use to straighten their hair, yes a Black woman Madame CJ Walker, the sanitary belt which is known now as the seat belt in cars, to remove catarcts from the eyes, and so on. How about you go here and read some, just because you may not be educated on what contributions Blacks have made to this world besides music, sports, and movies you may be using. Essence Magazine, Ebony, Jet, Black Enterprise all exsisted way before Raca came out.


http://www.blackinventionsmuseum.com/

Again this all about educating ourselves.

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Not to mention Jazz musicians, the greatest of all time were all Black Americans. We could go on for days. I don't knock the contributions of Brazilians, but let's not be so hasty and speak ill about things we do not know. It's better to educate there are a plethora of webites on the internet to better educate all of us on different cultures. I am not sure of the racial climate with Black Brazilians, I've only read and heard stories, none of which I've witnessed first hand. I however have lived in America and this isn't the 1960's,  we are at least trying to better ourselves and we have come a long way.

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and he is a Black American haha. Ok I'm done I just wanted to prove a point. No one is better than or worst than we all contribute to the world good and bad. I know Brazilians has some the greatest writers of all time, and where would we be without the watches if a Brazilian hadn't invented the wrist watch and the list goes on.

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Oh and my response was to Liz. And there are Black women who don't have to get their hair permed or straightened as you say and besides the average Black perms her hair maybe 3 times a year. So I can see that as every other day haha! Cleary you are misinformed or I am misreading you. Also in America some of our White women get their hair permed or straightened from curly so it's not exclusive to Blacks, Latins do as well as Asians in America.

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MARQUESEAZY


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I HAVE PROOF THAT AMERICA'S BLACK POPULATION IS WAY BIGGER THEN BRAZIL'S BLACK POPULATION FOR EXAMPLE BRAZIL ONLY HAS ONE PREDOMINANTLY BLACK CITY AND THATS SALVADOR BUT THE U.S ON THE OTHER HAND HAS ALOT OF PREDOMINANTLY BLACK CITIES LIKE EAST L.A,DETROIT,OAKLAND,ATLANTA,NEW ORLEANS,BATON ROUGE,WESTSIDE OF CHICAGO,BALTIMORE,WASHINGTON DC,ANNAPOLIS,PARTS OF NEW YORK NOW THATS JUST FROM THE TOP OF MY HEAD PLUS I HAVE VISITED THOSE CITIES SO I KNOW AND ANOTHER THANG CITIES LIKE NEW YORK AND MIAMI HAVE A LARGE CARIBBEAN POPULATION AND WE ALL KNOW THE MAJORITY OF THE PEOPLE FROM THE CARIBBEAN ARE EITHER BLACK OR MIXED AND VERY FEW OF THEM ARE WHITE.SO THERE IS MY PROOF THAT AMERICA HAS MORE BLACKS THEN BRAZIL.I WOULD EVEN GO AS FAR AS TO SAY BRAZIL HAS MORE JAPANESE AND ITALIANS THEN BLACKS

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Loco


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   Oh my God!

   Do you know why only 6% of the brazilians are black? Because the government ask they!

  Many people can be black and say that they arent.

  Race in Brazil its a really crazy thing, I even saw white people sayng that they were "morenos".

  But many people in Brazil try to be "more" white" than black.

 Lets think....6 million of europeans came to Brazil since 1825, in this time 4 million of africans "came" too.

 Many of the europeans had  sex wirh black woman but they had white children with white girls too.

 2 millions of the blacks died few years later, most of them were men.

 The white and "pardo" population are the predominant in Brazil.

 If you use the ONE DROPP OF RULE in Brazil you could say that Brazil have the second bigest black population of the world, but if you dont use it you could only say that Brazil have the second bigest population with "black oring".

 Brazil is 50% white, 40% pardo, 6% black, 3% yellow and 1% others  (Im not sure if it is right).

 But I believe that Brazil is 40% white, 40% pardo, 16% black and 4% others.

 I read in a magazine that 30% of brazilians are pure white and 20% are pure black.

I dont know why we are talking about this...its too crazy to talk about races and numbers in Brazil....Im going to stop here...hehehehehhe

 Eta...q locura!

 

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Patinho



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Liz-

I think you are the same Liz that lives near me. I too see the prejudice that goes on here. Not just against one color, but everyone here seems very divided.

Sometimes not divided in a bad way.... maybe a cultural way, but more often than not, those cultures collide accidentally.

In our area it is very concentrated... and separated. Mixed race neighborhoods are rare.

This is a major problem in our city. There are a few others similiar to ours... Nashville and St. Louis are the first that I think of.

Anyway.. I agree with the "main dish" sentence. But I hope I can restore some of your faith by saying that not all of America is this bad. Our city is an exception

Of course, if this is not the same "Liz"..... then forget everything I just said.



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Adrianerik


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@Liz - Please!  Racism is manifested in Bahia by the almost completely white secondary schools in Bahia.  By the almost completely white faculdades.  By the fact that the low self-esteem in Bahia has a people that represents 80% of  the population having little to no say in the government of that state.

Racism has nothing to do with how YOU are treated.  

In the early days of the American south African-Americans were docile, sweet, friendly and smiled and welcomed everyone regardless of their race.  The southern whites insisted that their 'darkies'  (you call them 'neguinhos') were happy.  They ALSO accepted their state of being second-class citizens without putting up a fight.

People can be friendly and still oppressed.

If there was not the pent-up anger among Afro-Brazilians you would not have had the success of Ile-Aye, Olodum, DiDa, the magazine RACA, grupo Stephen Biko, Ara-Ketu, Cidade Negra, the Diasporan Center in Pelourinho and many other spokespersons for the Afro-Brazilian pride and anger.

It was only until recent that the majority of 'blocos' in Salvador required a photograph so that all black people would be excluded from particpating.  

In the United States when two black people meet each other and they are the only ones around they go out of their way to greet each other.  You might  now know this because you are white but I observe how in Brazil an Afro-Brazilian in a group of whites will drop their eyes or turn away from another black person when they meet them.  

I really don't thing that many whites in Brazil appreciate the growing effects of all-white 'novelas', daily negative images of blacks in the newspaper, and the lack of role models and what this has done to the black population in Brazil.

I'll repeat...the last two reports out of O Globo will disagree with you.  Afro-Brazilians (including so-called "mulattoes" with the same education and level of skills are still being excluded from managerial positions and still being paid approximately 65% of the salary of whites.

I also don't know which black doctor you went to or which city you were in but I find it difficult to believe that African-Americans in a doctors waiting room find the time to show 'hate' towards you for being white.  ALL OF THEM.  I know my people and that is difficult to believe.  On the streets of Philadelphia homeless whites (yes...we have many of them) will beg from a black person before begging from a white person because we tend to have softer hearts towards towards the disadvantaged.  In out meetings, African-Americans always discuss how we are sometimes more accepting of other people (whites and asians) than even our own people.  

But if you did really experience this then let me apologize for the behavoiur of a small part of my people.  Try it again.  There are many white Brazilians in Philadelphia and we have surrounded them with friendship.  They always attend our concerts, poetry readings and  festivals.   And we African-Americans are always amazed to meet 'white' people who are funky and have a sense of culture.

Peace

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Adrianerik


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@Liz - I just read the second page of your posts and I have no words.

You are naive and know little about African-Americans and less about american society and show signs of the same shallow racism as whites here.

The Afro-Brazilians activists use the African-Americans as a model for organization.  We have been successful in combating racism.  The theme of Carnaval in 1994 - was BLACK AMERICA - LAND OF BLACK DREAMS.


Afro-Brazilians want to be doctors, lawyers, nurses, CEOs, architects, engineers, not only known for waving their asses for sordid tourists and playing the berimbau and selling acarajé for 1 real.  

And one of the biggest industries in Brazil is 'mega-hair'.  You know what that is.

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stark114


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<<no black guy will be treated differently for being in a restaurant that has only white people.>>

Can any Blacks is Brazil speak on this? I've heard the opposite it true.  Liz, if white skin is preferred in Brazil, why would you expect poor treatment from Bahians?

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Marqueaseazy, the only proof you have is your oppressive Brazilian government. The truth of the matter is that the Unitd Nations has told Brazil that they lack an effective system to monitor the different ethnic make-ups in their census queries. For example in the United States they have added "Bi-racial" which means a person made-up of two racial groups, on the side the person is asked to print which two racial groups their parents are. Hence Black and White, or Puerto Rican and Black or even Japanese and White. This box isn't for just people who are mixed with Black. In Brazil the call "bi-racial" people "pardos" meaning NOT Black or White, which is scientifically IMPOSSIBLE. If not neither than how the hell did you get here. It was a big convern of everyones in the last census in the United States that people would choose bi-racial" who weren't by the government standards. What they then say is your biological parents, and grandparents thats it. Now I have you know that the average Black person in the United States has WHITE in thier family. This is a known fact. I think you are really speaking out of your ass Marqueseazy.

The truth of the matter is Brazil's numbers can't be trusted with a faulty system for recovering them. So perhaps talking about race in Brazil like always is futile because some of you seem to believe it doesn't exsist, while your Blacks there are far less educated and given a fair chance than any other Black in other countries. In fact your shit tetters on third-world treatment. I'd like to see some of money borrowed from American Banks used to get a proper system. We are such bad people we US citizens, but yet in still Brazil borrows to no end.

To Patinho, one small ass town is NOT indicative of all of AMERICA. You need to get out more. There are parts of America that is void of any Whites, same goes for Blacks etc. I still feel most of you speak out of your ass and have never been past your "little town" mentality.

Racism, classism, and every other ism exsist in Brazil and for a country the prides itself on "racial harmony" you sure do have a lot of poor, and your governments lack to prove to outside countries that you indeed are the paradise of racial harmony, it's as crock of bull. The daspareties between the rich and poor is so devasting I pray your economy never gets a depression. Cause then the truth shall be set free and you will see just how racial harmonyed you really are.

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Liz


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Hey, it looks like only Patinho KNOWS WHAT I AM TALKING ABOUT, BECAUSE HE LIVES IN THE SAME CITY.
Besides, yes, as one of you said "maybe I didn't read what Liz said". You definetely didn't.

RACISM AGAINST BLACKS, AGAINST WHITES, YELLOWS OR REDS, ARE ONLY DIFFERENT SIDES OF THE SAME POISONED UGLY COIN THAT SHOULD BE BURNT LIKE THE RING IN THE LORD OF THE RINGS MOVIE.

PATINHO KNOWS WHAT I MEAN. I AM TALKING ABOUT HAVING FELT PREJUDICE AGAINST ME, MYSELF, A WHITE PERSON, FOR BEING IN A PREDOMINANTLY COLORED POPOLATION IN TOWN, AS WELL AS IN RESTAURANTS AND MEDICAL CLINICS, SOMETHING I NEVER FELT WHERE I LIVED IN BRAZIL.

ABOUT BRAZIL:
If there's little black population, there's little white people as well. EVERYONE IS A ONE AND ONLY MIXED RACE. Almost everyone has a mixing of race in their families in Brazil. I AM NOT GUESSING. I HAVE SEEN THAT LIVING THERE FOR MORE THAN 3 DECADES. In all social levels.

THAT IS MY EXPERIENCE. MAYBE NOT YOURS.
AGAIN, PATINHO KNOWS WHAT I MEAN BECAUSE HE LIVES IN THE SAME PLACE.

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Liz, you are a sad case. You still use the word "colored" in America and you wonder why some may not like you. No Black person wants to be called "colored" that shit went out with the civil rights uproar. Get a clue, read a book, and if you are going to live in the America at least have the respect to learn English both written and spoken. In this country every person needs to defend him or herself. Why should someone else speak for you, you obviously made assumptions. If you would've said "from where I live, this is what goes on" no you made sweeping statements about all of America. Don't speak where you can't backup. I honestly don't think you have a clue and your sentences are incoherent to me.

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To be honest everyone is making good points. But you have to know people are going to defend where they come from. I would still like to hear from a Black Brasilian and not a White one on this matter. It would seem to me that only they can really answer our questions. But this is cyber space so anyone can lie and say what they are. I guess when I go to visit I will get a better idea of what's the energy like in Salvador da Bahia.

Everyone has argues thier sides nicely. Just keep the insults down. I would hope we are all adults on here.

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Loco


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   Brazil racism is not like the US.

   Why we dont have Ku Klux Klan (I dont know the name of this shit) here?

   Why we didnt had apartheid here?

   Our "apartheid" is social, not racial.

   Most of white brazilians dont hate blacks, buy they get worry if they find one in a empty street at night.

   You dont know how is to live in one of the most dangerous country of the world, and in the jails blacks are the majority because of their social problems.

   I know that there is some brazilians who hates blacks, but there is no strong racist groups here, I only heard about skinheads in São Paulo...

  Why there is no strong racist group in a country with more whites than England and the second  black population of the world?

 Its should have one...at least...

 You can say a lot of things...but Brazil racism is not like the US one.

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MARQUESEAZY


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THIS IS FOR THE GUEST WHO WAS REFERRING TO ME FIRST OFF I NEVER SAID THAT BLACK AMERICANS WERENT MIXED WITH WHITE IN I KNOW ALOT OF BIRACIALS SINCE I AM ONE MYSELF I AM BLACK/BRITISH,AND NATIVE AMERICAN WHAT I WAS SAYING IS THAT OUR COUNTRY'S POPULATION OF PEOPLE OF AFRICAN DESCENT WAY OUTNUMBERS BRAZIL.HERE'S ANOTHER EXAMPLE BRAZIL'S BLACK POPULATION IS SO SMALL THAT BLACK NEIGHBORHOODS DONT EVEN EXIST THERE I CAN GUARANTEE BRAZIL DOES NOT HAVE THEIR OWN VERSION OF HARLEM BUT IN AMERICA MOST MAJOR CITIES HAVE ONE BUT YOU'LL BE HARD PRESSED TO FIND ONE AND BRAZIL IS THE ONLY COUNTRY THAT I HAVE BEEN TO THAT HAS BLACK PEOPLE BUT NO BLACK NEIGHBORHOODS.AMERICA HAS THEM,LONDON TOO,AND EVEN HAVANA,CUBA HAS PREDOMINANTLY BLACK NEIGHBORHOODS I KNOW SINCE I VISITED THERE.ANOTHER DIFFERENCE BETWEEN AMERICA AND BRAZIL IS THAT IN AMERICA A MIXED PERSON WILL STILL ACKNOWLEDGE THAT HE IS BLACK BUT IN BRAZIL A MIXED PERSON IS ASHAMED OF HIS BLACK BLOOD AND WILL DENY HE HAS ANY AND WILL EVEN TRY TO PASS FOR WHITE.I AM MIXED BUT I STILL PUT DOWN BLACK ON ANY APPLICATION FORM BECAUSE I EMBRACE MY BLACK HERITAGE I DONT TRY TO HIDE IT LIKE MOST BLACK BRAZILIANS DO.BACK TO MY ORIGINAL POINT IS THAT BAHIA IS THE ONLY PREDOMINANTLY BLACK STATE IN BRAZIL ALL THE OTHER BRAZILIAN STATES ARE PREDOMINANTLY WHITE SO OFCOURSE WHITES IN BRAZIL WAY OUTNUMBER BLACKS SO BRAZIL IS FAR FROM BEING THE COUNTRY WITH THE SECOND LARGEST BLACK POPULATION IN THE WORLD I CAN NAME A BUNCH OF COUNTRIES WITH WAY MORE BLACK PEOPLE THEN BRAZIL AND HERE THEY ARE THE U.S,JAMAICA,HAITI,CUBA,THE BAHAMAS,TRINIDAD AND TOBAGO,BELIZE,PANAMA,COLOMBIA,AND THE DOMINICAN REPUBLIC,ENGLAND,AND FRANCE AND THOSE COUNTRIES ARENT EVEN IN AFRICA.BECAUSE OF BRAZIL'S POLICY OF WHITENING THE POPULATION BRAZIL IS GONNA END UP LIKE ARGENTINA ONE DAY WHERE BLACKS WILL BE EXTINCTED FROM BRAZIL.DID YALL KNOW THERE WAS A LAW WHICH I THINK STILL APPLIES TODAY THAT EXCLUDES BLACKS FROM OTHER COUNTRIES FROM EMMIGRATING TO BRAZIL THATS WHY THE BRAZILIAN GOVERNMENT ENCOURAGED EUROPEAN MIGRATION TO MAKE BRAZIL'S POPULATION WHITIER CAUSE THEY DIDNT WANT BRAZIL TO BECOME ANOTHER HAITI GOD FORBID THOSE RACIST WHITE POTUGUESE WOULD NEVER WANT THAT WAS THE BRAZILIAN GOVERNMENT'S WORST NIGHTMARE TO HAVE A BLACK MAJORITY BUT I GUESS THEY FIXED THAT SINCE IF YOU GO BRAZIL TODAY YOUR MORE LIKELY TO SEE BLOND HAIRED BLUE EYED BRAZILIANS THEN A BRAZILIAN WITH BLACK SKIN.EVER WATCHED BRAZILIAN TELEVISION LETS JUST SAY ITS SO WHITE IT MAKES ABC LOOK LIKE BET LOL

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Jo


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Guest:  "So to say the numbers are small is not correct just as to say the numbers are high. No one really knows and that's very sad. Brazil has so many labels for their people especially if they aren't white. It's really a shame and I see Brazil as worst than the United States on this matter."

And this is one of my pet peeves about the U.S.  Why in the world do we need to classify everyone according to "race"?  I always write "human" in the blank for race as I think it's ridiculous to need to know for a driver's license, for example.  There's a picture, for God's sake!

The last U.S. census was a problem because people who were nicely mixed didn't know what blank to fill in.  I think Brazil's attitude toward race is healthier.  People are polite to one another in nearly all cases, regardless of race.  Not so in the U.S.  Also, of course, Brazil never had laws on the books segregating according to race...at least to my knowledge.

I do sometimes see evidence of "marrying" white, though,....the idea of mixing with a lighter human to lighten children...is embedded in the culture and the culture of other Latin American countries as well.

But I also see pride in color.  One African-Brazilian hairdresser told me she's proud of her color.  I'm happy she feels that way.   And another very well-educated,  wealthy, very white Brazilian is proud that her father was a mix of Indian, African, Portuguese, and Italian.

I think mixes are great, healthy, and the only place for a question on race should be at the doctor's office where they need that information to know susceptibility to certain diseases.

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MARQUESEAZY


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THE BLACK RACE IS ALMOST NONEXISTENCE IN BRAZIL SINCE THE WHITENING OF BRAZIL WITH THE MASSIVE EUROPREAN MIGRATION OF THE GERMANS,PORTUGUESE,SPANIARDS,POLISH,RUSSIANS AND ITALIANS PLUS ADD THAT TO THE FACT THAT BLACK COUPLES ARE VERY RARE IN BRAZIL CAUSE 99.99% OF AFRO BRAZILIANS MARRY OUTSIDE THEIR RACE TO WHITE PEOPLE.AND WHEN THEIR KIDS ARE BORN THEY WILL GROW UP TO MARRY CAUCASIANS UNTIL THEIR AFRICAN ANCESTRY IS TOTALLY WIPED OUT THATS WHAT HAPPENED IN ARGENTINA AND THATS WHATS HAPPENING TO BRAZIL.THERE WILL BE ONE DAY WHEN THAT 6% OF BLACKS WILL TURN INTO LESS THEN 1% AS BRAZIL'S WHITE POPULATION JUST QUADRUPLES AND BRAZIL IS EASILY LATIN AMERICA'S WHITEST COUNTRY ALONG WITH ITS NEIGHBORING WHITE COUNTRY ARGENTINA.THE ONLY PREDOMINANTLY BLACK COUNTRIES OF SOUTH AMERICA IS THE GUINEAS AND THE CARIBBEAN COAST OF COLOMBIA.I WOULD SAY THE ONLY SIZABLE NON WHITE GROUP IN BRAZIL ARE THE JAPANESE SINCE I THINK THEIR NUMBERS ARE CLOSE TO A MILLION IN BRAZIL.I BET BRAZIL HAS LESS THEN 100,000 BLACKS AND NEIGHBORING URUGUAY HAS WAY MORE BLACKS THEN THAT.AFRICAN AMERICANS ARE WAY MORE ADVANCED THEN AFRO BRAZILIANS TOO.HAVE YALL EVER HEARD OF BLACK COLLEGES IN BRAZIL NO BECAUSE THEY DONT EXIST.WHITES IN BRAZIL HAVE THEIR HOLIDAYS AND FESTIVITIES TO CELEBRATE THEIR WHITE HERITAGE LIKE OCTOBERFEST IN SANTA CATARINA.BLACKS IN BRAZIL HAVING NOTHING THATS EXCLUSIVELY THEIRS NOT EVEN CARNAVAL CAUSE EVEN CARNAVAL IS PREDOMINANTLY WHITE.CUBA'S AFRICAN CULTURE IS WAY STRONGER THEN BRAZIL'S PLUS BLACK CUBANS ACTUALLY EMBRACES THEIR BLACKNESS UNLIKE THESE UNCLE TOM BRAZILIANS WHO DENY THEIRS.AFRO CUBANS ARE VERY PRO BLACK AND WITHOUT THEM CUBAN MUSIC WOULD HAVE NO RHYTHM.BLACK CUBANS ARE SOME OF THE BEST SPORTS ATHLETES IN THE WORLD FROM BASEBALL AND BOXING TO VOLLEYBALL.CUBA AND THE CARIBBEAN HAVE THE STRONGEST AFRICAN CULTURE OF ANY NON AFRICAN COUNTRY.IF YOU WANT TO GO TO A COUNTRY WITH STRONG AFRICAN TIES WITHOUT EVEN GOING TO AFRICA THEN GO TO THE CARIBBEAN WHERE BLACK CULTURE IS EVIDENT EVERYWHERE THERE FROM THE LOCAL PEOPLE WHO ARE ACTUALLY BLACK UNLIKE BRAZIL, TO THE CLOTHES THEY WEAR,TO THE MUSIC TO THE FOOD.AFRO CUBAN JAZZ AND REGGAE IS WHAT ITS ALL ABOUT.NOW ONTO DIVERSITY WHEN IT COMES TO TELEVISION THE U.S HAS A BROAD RANGE OF DIVERSE SHOWS THAT CATERS TO BLACKS AND HISPANICS LIKE MY WIFE AND KIDS,THE GEORGE LOPEZ SHOW,ONE ON ONE,HALF AND HALF,COSBYS,FAMILY MATTERS,THE BROTHERS GARCIA,FRESH PRINCE,THE HUGHLEYS,THE STEVE HARVY SHOW,AND THATS NOT JUST THE TIP OF THE ICEBERG NOW BRAZIL HAS NO BLACK SITCOMS THE ONLY TIME YOU SEE A BLACK PERSON ON BRAZILIAN PROGRAMMING IS WHEN THEY ARE MAIDS OR BUTLERS FOR RICH WHITE FAMILIES ON WHAT THEY CALL NOVELAS CAUSE BLACKS IN BRAZIL STILL GOT THAT YES MASTER MENTALITY RACIAL DEMOCRACY MY AZZ ITS MORE LIKE A SLAVE  DEMOCRACY AND BLACKS IN BRAZIL JUST EXCEPT THEIR ROLES CAUSE THEY DONT HAVE A VOZ ATIVA AS BRAZILIANS SAY.

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You know what another pet peeve of the US is loaning money to countries like Brazil.

Jo, let me explain something to you no matter how lame your claim is. Race is needed in the breakdown process. Let me break down the USA for you. Black colleges, prodominately Hispanic colleges (which did you hear the news Hispanics are the largest minority in America now, there are 36.1 million Blacks and 37 million Hispanics, which is as per our Census Bureau. I'm sure some uproar will happen on both ends) anyways the reason why America breakdown races is because MONEY is delegated to certain communities. You know like Black colleges get more money if say Atlanta is proved to have more Blacks than any other race, etc etc. We know your freaking human, BUT if we looked away from RACE and went solely on Humans then some of your Portuguese ancestors and some of my White ones wouldn't classify as human but inhuman for the shit they did. Now my real point is the whole freaking medical community would never excel. Why because some ethnic groups are prown to having one of kind of health problem over another. Also we use race also for statical facts, to keep accounts and we choose to. The reason is so we can see where the freaking justice system breaks down, and the trends of an ethnic group.  You may not like it doesn't mean it doesn't work. See we get to monitor if laws need to be put into place so that you immigrants and miniorites need help getting jobs, education, loans, housing. See we have laws we don't tolerate discrimation. Thats why people get to sue in America. We can't turn down people based on the color of their skin, it's against the law. These laws were put into place try and right the wrongs this country has done to certain people.

Brazil does have racsim like Marqueseazy said. I heard about your tv's, magazines, movies, and shit the city life. Man at least the immigrants and miniorities in America are allowed to be represented. I mean Latinos have thier own magazine, Blacks have theres, Asians, and every other group the flees to America with a fucking dream. Call us what you like but I don't see people not trying to come here. People have such a negative tone for Americans but are fucking quick to move here and populate our fucking states. And we allow you to. I will have to research if there is a law prohibiting Blacks from other countries from becoming citizens in Brazil. That I don't know but if it is that speaks volumes about your country compared to ours.

People keep saying America is worst then why the fuck come here? I really wish Immigration was tighter on checking people out to see if they have such communist views about our country. Why come here and use us for our hard earned money? I mean your country can't be that perfect if your leaving it. Give me a fucking break man!

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Well according to the Brazilian government that 6% of people who say they are Black in Brazil is about 7 million people, so I don't know where you get 100,000 from. I am strictly going on articles on this site and on that Brazilian government site.

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Ze


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Since when did Marqueseazy become brazilian?  
For someone that never even touched his feet on this land he is very sure of his convictions.

(Stop pushing around with this half baked idea, it is not true, and is starting to stress my patience and cordial words as well)

To "guest"

You know why people immigrate to U.S.A., it is not because they have any kind of love to the american way of life, but because they need money. To enlighten you, they do ask if you have any kind of "comunist" view of the world, and a few other degrading and stupid questions. Also the so called immigration law that you are talking about, was extinguished before the IIWW, earlier than  U.S. own actions on this matter.

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Loco


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  Sorry Marquez, but you are crazy.

  I live in Porto Alegre, a city where 80% of the population is white and there is few mixed people, but here there is 300000 blacks too.

 Porto Alegre have more blacks than all Brazil together?! hehehehehehehehehehehhehehe

 Our country have a big black population, stop with this shit ok! You sound like a racist.

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To Ze, darling you could never "enlighten" me. I know the very reason why immigrants come to America, and as an American I find it pretty sad that people and disrespect my country and still find a reason to lie to get here. It's not to better our country or to help us, it's use our resources. But such is life, oh and the questions that are asked aren't "stupid" we have every right to know who you are. Remember it is you seeking to enter here, not the other way around. I've been asked similar questions by your Brazilian government, so let's not call the kettle black, shall we.

Oh and it wasn't me who mentioned the antiquated laws that didn't allow Blacks into Brazil. I simply stated I'd never heard this, perhaps you should re-read what was said and then gather your contentions. Other than that this diatribe is futile and senseless.

I'm still waiting on a Black Brazilian's perspective. But alas that seems fruitless as well. Don't expect me to defend my country. You better hope to everything Brazil never ends up in a financial ruins like Argentina, because Americans are ruthless when it comes to their money. We will invest but never without a return on something. Shit that would be hilarious if we ended-up owning Brazil lol. Ok no more jokes. I'm done, this is tired. I love my country and I have much respect for Brazils and Brazilians. Just don't expect me to spit back when you diss America. Capiche.

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MARQUESEAZY


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PORTO ALEGRE DOSENT HAVE 300,000 BLACKS ITS MORE LIKE ITS JUST 300 LOL

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I think we all need to move on. This whole discussion has turned into a whole new topic. Who cares anymore? I mean everyone keeps on insulting eachother. Who is better who is not. Please no one is perfect. Get over yourselves

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Joe Gahona


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Ze said: "You know why people immigrate to U.S.A., it is not because they have any kind of love to the american way of life, but because they need money."

I'm sure most immigrants who come to the U.S. prefer their original "way of life" to the U.S. way of life, just as I'm sure the average American prefers his American way of life to the way of life in, say, China. It's human to prefer the way of life that you're familiar with.

So I'm not sure what your point is. If the American "way of life" is unbearable for someone (even though he is making more money here), he will leave. Those who do stay? Obviously their indifference/dislike of the American way of life is overridden by their desire to live here anyway.

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MARQUESEAZY


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I WOULD RATHER LIVE IN THE PROJECTS SOMEWHERE IN QUEENS THEN LIVE IN A BRAZILIAN FAVELA THATS FULL OF DISEASES LIKE DENGUE AND NOT TO MENTION ALL THE VIOLENCE WHERE THE DRUG TRAFFICKERS ARE ALWAYS IN A SHOOTOUT WAR WITH THE COPS.PLUS I'VE HEARD ABOUT ALL THE OLD WHITE GRINGOS WHO ARE MOSTLY EUROPEAN WHO GO TO BRAZIL TO PAY TO HAVE SEX WITH MINORS ESPECIALLY DURING CARNAVAL.BRAZIL IS A PARADISE FOR CHILD MOLESTERS AND WHITE BRAINWASHED SELF HATING BLACKS

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Patinho



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To Guest-

You know, I really like this forum. I like the people here, the interesting discussions and sometimes, even the arguments that always end with us learning something new from one another.

But then someone like you comes along. Now we all know that the issue of "race" is a very sensitive subject that must be handled with care... that aside, did you even read my post?

You said "To Patinho, one small ass town is NOT indicative of all of AMERICA. You need to get out more. There are parts of America that is void of any Whites, same goes for Blacks etc. I still feel most of you speak out of your ass and have never been past your "little town" mentality. "

This has absolutely NOTHING to do with my post. I don't even know where to begin.
First, Memphis is a major metropolitan area with a population reaching nearly 2 million inhabitants. Is that a "small ass town"?
Second, I get out just fine. If you would read my post again. I didn't say that all of America is like this. Hell, I even stated it with "But I hope I can restore some of your faith by saying that not all of America is this bad. Our city is an exception."
When I was talking to Liz in my post I said several times "here" and "our city". How the fuck does that imply "ALL" of America?  I think YOU are the one that needs to learn english.

Then you go on attacking Liz for her use of the word "colored" and the fact that she felt a little uncomfortable in her situation.
The woman comes to a forum to share her experiences and opinions and she gets attacked for it. What kind of a person are you? That is what a forum is for, dumbass.
So what if she uses the word "colored"? I know some.. uuumm gee... what word should I use here.. I might get into trouble.... oh... here we go.... I know some "persons of African ancestry" that don't like the term "black", but have no problem with "colored".
I have several black freinds. When I hang out with them they call me "nigga" (as in slang for guy or freind), and have no qualms with me using the word freely with them either. However I do not use the word with everyone, due to the fact that this word coming from a white guy can be highly offensive to some. My point is, that "colored" being offensive is a matter of personal opinion.
I am sure Liz did not mean to use the word offensively. To the contrary, I found nothing in her post to be offensive. The girl was just trying to share her thoughts freely and openly... then a net nazi like you has to attack her. You make me sick. (No offense to our fellow member "Sick"
And as far as "don't speak what you can't back up". People can say whatever they want. Making mistakes and learning from them is part of life. Get over it.

I am finished with you. I find your posts to be insulting and they do not contribute a thing to this forum except bitteness and ignorance. If you continue to spout stupid things from that hole in your face, I will have no choice but to ignore you.

So in conclusion. Please try to read my short and simple post again. I used small words, so I am sure you should not have a problem comprehending it by the 3rd or 4th time. I eagerly await your intelligent response.

Have a nice day, sir.

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"Quem quer viver faz magica"
--Guimaraes Rosa

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Patinho



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P.S.- Grow some balls and pick a name... you are giving all of the other "Guest" posters a bad image.

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"Quem quer viver faz magica"
--Guimaraes Rosa

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MARQUESEAZY


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BRAZILIANS ARE THE SOUTH AMERICAN VERSION OF REDNECKS THATS HOW RACIST THEY ARE BECAUSE BRAZILIANS HAVE SAYINGS THAT BLACK WOMEN ARE ONLY GOOD FOR BEING COOKS IN THE KITCHEN.SOME OF MY FRIENDS WHO HAVE VISITED BRAZIL BEFORE SAID WHEN THEY WENT TO HIGH RISE BUILDINGS THEY WERE TO ENTER THE BACK WHERE THE MAIDS ENTERED EVEN THOUGH THEY WERENT MAIDS BUT BUSINESS PEOPLE.WHEN NELSON MANDELA RETURNED TO SOUTH AFRICA AFTER HIS TRIP TO BRAZIL HE DENOUNCED BRAZIL AS A RACIAL DEMOCRACY SAYING IT COULDNT BE FURTHER FROM THE TRUTH.THE SMALL AFRO BRAZILIAN MINORITY IS TOO SCARED TO STAND UP TO BRAZIL'S MASSIVE WHITE MAJORITY.BRAZILIAN TELEVISION SHOULD BE CALLED WET WHITE ENTERTAINMENT TELEVISION.THE BLACK POPULATION IN BRAZIL IS SO SMALL THAT IF YOUR AN AFRICAN AMERICAN AND YOU GO THERE YOU STICK OUT LIKE A SORE THUMB AND IT WOULD BE A VERY UNCOMFORTABLE FEELING NOW A WHITE AMERICAN WOULD EASILY BLEND IN BRAZIL AND IF YOUR JAPANESE TOO.SO HOW CAN BRAZIL HAVE THE SECOND LARGEST BLACK POPULATION IN THE WORLD WHEN MOST BRAZILIANS ARENT EVEN BLACK AT ALL 94% OF BRAZILIANS ARE NONBLACK I THINK THE PEOPLE WHO DID THAT B.S CENSUS MUST BE SMOKING CRACK BECAUSE THEY ARE OVER EXAGGERATING CAUSE BRAZIL DOES NOT HAVE MORE BLACKS THEN THE U.S,AFRICA,OR THE CARIBBEAN HECK NOT EVEN EUROPE CAUSE EVEN LONDONHAVE THEIR BLACK COMMUNITY AND THATS BRIXTON THATS WHERE THE JAMAICAN DESCENDENTS LIVE BUT A BLACK COMMUNITY IN BRAZIL DOSENT EVEN EXIST BRAZIL DOSENT HAVE THEIR OWN VERSION OF HARLEM NOT EVEN THE FAVELAS CAUSE MOST FAVELADOS ARE POOR WHITE TRASH AND POOR MESTICOS FROM THE NORTHEAST BUT NOT BLACK.BRAZIL HAS NO BLACK ENREPEUNERS LIKE THE U.S HAS AND BRAZIL HAS NO BLACK HISTORY MONTH LIKE THE U.S BRAZIL HAS NO BLACK BEAUTY PAGENTS LIKE THE U.S BRAZIL HAS NO BLACK COLLEGES LIKE THE U.S BRAZIL HAS NO BLACK PROGRAMMING ON TV LIKE THE U.S AND BRAZIL HAS NO IMPORTANT BLACK POLITICIANS WORKING NEXT TO THE PRESIDENT LIKE THE U.S HAS WITH COLLIN POWELL AND CONDOZOLA RICE WORKING SIDE BY SIDE WITH BUSH SI HAVE COME TO THE CONCLUSION THAT BRAZIL DOES NOT PRACTICE WHAT THEY PREACH THEY DO NOT PRACTICE DIVERSITY SO THEY HAVE NO RIGHT IN CALLING THEMSELVES A RACIAL DEMOCRACY CAUSE THATS A BIG FAT LIE THERE NO EXAMPLES TO PROVE BRAZIL EVEN COMES CLOSE TO A RACIAL DEMOCRACY ATLEAST THE U.S GIVES BLACKS AND HISPANICS THE CHANCE TO COMPETE AGAINST WHITES WITH THINGS LIKE AFFIRMATIVE ACTION SO THAT IT CAN BE AN EQUAL PLAYING FIELD FOR BLACKS BUT HOPEFULLY BUSH WONT SCREW THAT UP.HOW COME BRAZIL HAD AFFIRMITIVE ACTION HUH BECAUSE THE WHITE POLITICIANS IN BRASILIA WOULD NEVER LET THAT HAPPEN.IN BRAZIL THE WHITE MAN  ONLY USES BLACK WOMEN FOR SEX AND FOR BEING THEIR MAIDS AND HOUSECLEANERS JUST LIKE SLAVERY DAYS ITS 2003 BUT BRAZIL IS STILL STUCK IN 1803

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Adrianerik


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The majority of Liz's post was not a sharing of experiences but a JUDGEMENT of people.  

There is a massive difference.

She tried to reduce 450 years of African-American history to rap music.

I've read about 11 books on Brazilian history before trying to understand that country.  

I challenge her to name one book on American or African-American history that she has read to try to understand this people that she judges.

I could cut and paste 4 parts of her post that were offensive.

She is probably a nice person but I don't pander to ignorance.

And I question her judgement of Tennessee.  You said that you have black friends.  Why are they friends with you and not with her?  Introduce them to her.

I will tell you one thing about my people.  We can sense snobbery in anyone.  We can discern when someone has turned up their noses.  When someone has a 'tude' (attitude).

And we accept anyone who even makes half an effort to accept us.  'Cause that's how we roll.

I question totally her generalization of African-Americans in Tennessee....let alone the whole of America.

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stark114


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But getting back to the subject, it seems to be difficult to find any Black Brazilians who will post here. Are there any Black Americans who has been down to Brazil? What were your experiences? I keep getting conflicting accounts.  My brother's best friend went down to Rio  2 years ago and said that American brothers are well liked down there.  But I'm not sure how much being American had to do with this. Comments?

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Ok Patinho, it would be really hard for me to give an intelligent response when you've stepped below my level. Let's see what's your problem, you called me "dumbass" and several other things. Now if I were to step to the low level you've gone to I'd be considered even worse, because Americans ya know we are horrible to pick on the lowly. Anyways you display such primitive ways. Can't come with it so attack the very thing you say you like about this forum. First you say your done with me, then at the end of your post, you tell me you await my response. Which is it? I suggest you pick-up a book on debating, because clearly you don't know how to.

I'm entitled to my opinion. This is a free forum. I am allowed to counter, disagree with, or agree with anything posted, hence the "public" part of this forum. I read the rules before posting--there were none. Just that "Brazzil.com, doesn't take any responsibility". I choose to be under "guest" for my own reason. I could choose a name, but to be honest I rarely do read the forum, I actually do subscribe to the magazine. Besides it's MY choice. Remeber that, a name doesn't add more validity to your statement. Anyways classic behavior of a person who has no legs to stand on. Find any reason to attack, and I'm sorry if you feel I make the "other guest" look bad, that's life. Because right now you make Brasilians look kinda well, nevermind.

Liz is an adult (I hope), I would think she could speak for herself. Please don't decipher her for me, I can read and I did read your responses and hers several times before responding. I hope that makes you feel better.

Now, I won't doubt that SOME Blacks don't mind being called "colored" and I know they use the "N" word (see us White Americans are usually politically correct) amongs themselves. I find it silly, because I come from the "old school" and was big in civil rights, anyways I know it does exsist. BUT let me explain something to you, get a spot on national American TV and call  ALL Blacks "colored" and see what happens. On that I rest my case. I'm a white man defending his fellow brothers and sisters. A Black person in Nashville is very different than a Black person in New York City or even Florida.

You live in a small town. 2 million is nothing compared to the 8 million where I live, or the 15 million my mother lives in. Man travel around America and get a feel for things.

The thing is I want to learn, but I've only read insults after insults. If a Black person came on here and found Liz's comments about their contribution to History and the word "colored" would you attack them too? I doubt you or your friend Liz have read a book about the history of this country you now reside in. I believe you go strictly on what you hear. Prove me otherwise.

Oh and there is no need for me to add to anything. I stand behind my previous posts as "guest". I could lay an assault of verbal attacks on you P buddy, but why? I will be the bigger person here and try and learn something.

Now I await your intelligent response.

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Tais


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Hmm

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Adrianerik


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Two quick points

1) @MARQUESEAZY - I have many poor white friends in Brazil.  Some live in favelas.  They are NOT "poor white trash".  They are some of the most admirable people I have ever met.

You should not use the same language as the bigots, the racists and the elitists.  It makes you no different from them.

2) I will try to e-mail my black friends in Brazil to give their input.  The problem is that...though some have e-mail addresses not many speak english nor read english and this site might be beyond them.  There are a few in Washington D.C. and I'll e-mail them.

There are two types of African-Americans who go to Brazil.  A mostly male group who are just as much part of the sexual tourism as any other group of people (we are not all noble people).

And there is a large culturally conscious group.  First of all Americans tend to receive a degree of respect from Brazilians in general.  These African-Americans receive much respect from Afro-Brazilians.  My friends from New York had rented a house in Boca Do Rio (Salvador) where I now live.  The maid who worked for them was shocked because they called her "irmá" (sister) when they referred to her.  My friends were nervous about hiring a maid (they felt that they were exploiting them) but other Brazilians made it clear that these women needed the work and would welcome the chance to work for someone who actually respected them.  To them she is just another sister friend.

Among our group we always use the term "irmão" (brother) when addressing other Brazilians.

But I also think that we African-Americans have to realize that the hard divide that used to exist between white and black Americans does not always exist between the various colors in Brazil.  I've had some bad experiences with white Brazilians and I've had many good ones.  My white friends have bent over backward and have doubled up in one bedroom just to give me a room to myself.


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Tais


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What I would like to know is how can someone you've never met make you sick?

There are excellent points from several people here. I did find some offensive but for the most part everyone made sense.

My parents are both Black and from Brasil. I wasn't raised in Brazil so I am afraid I can't comment.

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Tais


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Adrianerik: You have made some excellent points. I like some of the points made by others but you seem to have stay focused to the original question. I will see if my parents will come to the board and answer or I can answer for them.

My parents were raised in Salvador and moved when they had my brothers and I to London. My father actually got a job with a company there. Later he was transferred to Los Angeles California, where they still live and where I was raised. I live in Miami now. I have only been to Brasil on visits. I feel because I lack long periods there I personally can not answer some of the questions asked. My parents however may be able to give some insight. Now the conversation seems to be going upward. I would like to learn myself.

I will say my parents have always taught me that I was a Black woman with parents from Brasil. I will have to ask them why this was this way and if it had anything to do with race in Brasil. This is going to be informative on my end because I have never had this talk with my parents.

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Loco


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  Marquez...you are crazy!!!!!!!!!!!!

  Brazil received more africans than all American Continent together, we have a big black population.

 I live in Porto Alegre and I can say that there is 300000 black people living here.

 Go to Bahia, you will find millions...

 

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SEI LÁ

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MARQUESEAZY


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PEOPLE FROM BAHIA ARENT BLACK THEY ARE MESTICOS AND THEY ARE WHITES THATS A BIG DIFFERENCE I HAVE SEEN MANY BAIANOS IN NEW YORK AND NON OF THEM ARE BLACK EXPLAIN THAT HUH YOUR AVERAGE EVERYDAY BRAZILIAN HAS SNOW WHITE SKIN AND BLONDE HAIR BRAZILIANS REFLECT MORE EUROPEANS AND DEFININTLTY NOT AFRICANS IF YOU DO SEE ANOTHER BLACK PERSON IN BRAZIL HE IS PROBABLY AN AFRICAN AMERICAN TOURIST WHO'S DOWN THERE ON VACATION LIKE I SAID THE LARGEST NONBLACK GROUP IN BRAZIL ARE THE JAPANESE THERE ARE 10 TIMES MORE JAPANESE PEOPLE IN BRAZIL THEN THERE ARE BLACK PEOPLE AND THERE ARE 100 TIMES MORE WHITE PEOPLE IN BRAZIL THEN ARE BLACK PEOPLE SO IT SHOULD BE BRAZIL HAS THE SECOND LARGEST WHITE POPULATION IN THE WORLD BECAUSE YOU CAN EASILY SAY THAT THERE ARE OVER 100 MILLION WHITE PEOPLE OUT OF 175 MILLION WHICH THEIR TOTAL NATIONWIDE POPULATION IN BRAZIL

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Patinho



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To Guest-

Good post. I apologize for being so insulting and calling you "dumbass", etc....  You truly are the "bigger man". I guess I was just in a really bad mood.

Now... just a few points.
#1 The "finished with you" line meant that I would not throw anymore insults in future posts.
#2 I happen to think I am an excellent debator.
#3 I was refering to Liz's original post that I responded to. Not the posts that followed.
#4 The reason I said read my posts again is because you said I was saying all of America is like this. Yet, I said quite the contrary and you argued a point that I never even made.
#5 I do have a feel for America. New York City 1 year, Houston 3 years, San Diego 1 year, Huntsville 4 years and Memphis has been on and off through the years. I visit Miami, New York City, Buffalo, Little Rock, and Lexington on a regular basis. Some for business, some for pleasure. The point is, I get around plenty.
#6 As far as using the "N" word... I stay away from that completely. You do know there is a large distinction between "N" and "Nigga", right?
#7 Your statement "see us White Americans are usually politically correct" can easily be taken the wrong way. Get me?
#8 two million is big enough for me. Hell, we even have our own pro-basketball team.... shouldn't that count for something?
#9 I have never met Liz, we met on the forum just as you and I.
#10 I am in college studying to become a history teacher. I have a great respect for history. So, yes, I have read several books on American and Brazilian history, as well as other parts of the world.
# 11 You do know that I am also a Caucasion American male, right?
#12 I really wish you would log in a name, it's simple and quick, and it would be much easier responding to you in the future. I usually remember someone's past posts and it often makes it easier to talk to a person that you know a little about. Besides, I think you would be a welcome member to the forum.

ok.. so that's it. I sincerely apologize again for being so rude. That is not an example of my normal behavior.

I look forward to your response.....

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"Quem quer viver faz magica"
--Guimaraes Rosa

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MARQUESEAZY


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BRAZIL MAY NOT HAVE THE KU KLUX KLAN BUT THEY GOT WHITE SKINHEADS SO THAT DOSENT MAKE IT ANY BETTER NOW THERE'S MORE PROOF THAT BRAZIL  ISNT NO RACIAL DEMOCRACY

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Loco


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  I dont know what to say....this guy is too  crazy.

  I live in Brazil!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I know that here we millions of blacks.

  And Brazil do not have the second white population.

 1.USA, 2.Russia, 3.Germany

 

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SEI LÁ

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ELEGANTGENT



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MARQUESEAZY WHERE ARE YOU FROM? JUST WONDERING.

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MARQUESEAZY


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I AM FROM THE DOMINICAN REPUBLIC BUT I AM CURRENTLY LIVING IN WASHINGTON HEIGHTS IN NEW YORK WHY

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Alex Furtado


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I would like to express my point of view, but my english is a nightmare. so, i you write in Portuguese, i pray i have time, someday, to traduce it, very hard to me and my  poor english skills.

Bem,

A pergunta inicial desta discussão foi quanto é penoso ser negro no Brasil. Contudo, lendo as mensagens percebo uma poralização: o racismo é pior no Brasil ou nos Estado Unidos?

Quando um indíviduo chega a conclusões sobre as habilidades racionais, morais e físicas de outra pessoa baseando-se exclusivamente na observação da cor de seus cabelos, pele e nas feiçoes do seu rosto, todos concordamos, está sendo racista. Este comportamento é comum em todas as culturas, sem exceção. Ele é transmitido das gerações mais velhas para as mais novas. E serve como ideologia de justificação da superioridade daqueles que detém o poder. Ora, os portugueses e ingleses colonizadores do continente americano seriam naturalmente superiores aos seus escravos negros... Isto estaria na claro na cor da pele. Creio se fossem os negros os conquistadores, a cor da sua pele seria valorizada, e os brancos seriam discriminados como inferiores por serem brancos. Pensar diferente é pensar que os negros são gente melhor que a gente branca, o que é racismo puro.

Mas afinal, onde o racismo é mais leve, onde ele é mais exarcerbado? É interessante notar que os brasileiros ivariavelmente não negam que há racismo no Brasil mais que o racismo cá é menos violento que nos EUA. Os americanos, por seu lado, procuram desmistificar a idéia de que o Brasil é uma democracia racial, citando vários exemplos de racismo no Brasil, alguns pertinentes, outros um absurdo fruto do desconhecimento do país.

Contudo os americanos, em nenhum momento, afirmam que o racismo nos Estados Unidos é menos violento que no Brasil. Isto ocorre porque eles sabem que a verdade é justamente o inverso. Não vou citar exemplo. Basta consultar livros de história.

Para não dizer que não lancei mão de nenhum argumento, basta dizer que a população brasileira é  a mais miscigenada do mundo. Não há paralelo em nenhum lugar do planeta. Será que nesta história de mistura de corpos e cultura não há espaço para o amor puro e simples, interracial? Não se pode reduzir tudo a vontade dos negros de ter filhos clarinhos ou a vontade do português de conquistar pela prenhez de índias e negras.

O Brasil é um lugar de muitos problemas. Mas não é um lugar de intolerância racial, de choques raciais sangrentos. E do nosso jeitinho, sem conflitos e com muita acomodação de opostos, estamos, aos poucos dando voz ativa a negros e mulheres. Vide o ministério do presidente Lula.

Viva o Brasil.

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Alex Furtado

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fernandobn


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Marqueseasy

By IBGE an Institution in charge of the Census in Brazil, the 2000 Census says that from the population (169,872,856), (91,296,042) 53.7% are white, (10,554,336) 6% are Black, (65,318,092) 38% are Pardo (mixed). Black Baianos cannot afford a ticket to visit New York, that's why you never find any. Say that Brazilians are rednecks of South America is too hard. You do not see the issues in Brazil that black folks in US have or any other place in the world. Skinheads are a bunch of idiots that you rarely hear about in Brazil.  People in Brazil are more interested in their survival day in day out and they don't hesitate to celebrate life whenever it is possible.

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Fernando B.

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