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krista



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ahh, more politics - pure pleasure.
so this is my next teaser to the general public:

-During and after the Brasilian presidential campaign and election I've been discussin the parties and politics with several of my Brasilian friends, and surprisingly heard quite a few of them saying that the two parties should really be one; that their ideas and history are close enough, and that their symbiosis would be the best combination for the country.
I don't want to start a discussion on what would be best for Brasil or which party is everyone's favorite. However, I do want to know if any of you think that these two could/should happily co-exist/collaborate/become one? Or are my friends just stupid and the parties have in reality very little in common?
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my personal piece of start is perhaps something like that: Wasn't FHC the guy who promoted the dependency-theory quite a bit before getting elected? At a closer look, one can see that the dependency theory flirts quite closely with Marxism... After Cardoso got the office, he quickly quit these ideas (i guess he just realized that reality wasn't quite as simple) and continued a pretty expected path; however... i'm just wondering...

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(and just to help those not very familiar with dependency theory - there's a lot of info out there on the clash between the Dependency theory and the Development theory. just type in into the google-machine)

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Macunaima


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FHC supposedly said "Forget everything I ever wrote" when he took office.

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Brazil is the country of the future and always will be!

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krista



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oh yes, he could have said that...
but it was also Cardoso's government that gave start to the Bolsa-Escola and Bolsa-Alimentação programs. I don't know about the second one, but bolsa-escola was an invention of PT people (namely, I believe the current minister of  education, Cristovam Buarque was the main engine of bolsa-escola idea).
I have this feeling that PT will pretty much end up doing exactly the same thing as PSDB... so what's the difference? juss wondering - is there any?
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and if any of the brasilians reads this who knows something about the Bolsa-Alimentação program... It has been described as a fairly successful one. Is it true? I haven't heard anything specific about it; just that it was started and now it's there... (The current zero fome is definitely a bit raw and a big mess...)


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erjbcdt


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Alright well I think there is a difference among the PSDB and the PT.  Well at the same time there are some small similarities.  Most of the PSDB is formed by people who believe in the reforms completed by Cardoso.  These reforms involve stimulating private secotor of Brazil, and limiting the state interfrence in the economy.  Well the PT believe that the state should have more hands on approach to the economic situation.  The PT. is also a party which is now currently divided between the "radicals" and the "reformers"  and the only reason Lula won was because he shifted from the radical approach, to a reformer mentality.  So there is an ideological difference between the PT party itself and also the PSDB party. Aecio Neves and the Tasso Jeressaiti are more on the left of the scale than the Paulistanos, like Jose Anibal, and Jose Serra.  THe only difference is that within the PSDB the party is more united and the all like Cardoso and agree with his reforms.  THe radical PT hate what Lula is doing and is now making noises.  The PSDB party is the political party most similar to the PT, but since many in the PT hated the reforms Cardoso it would political suicide for Lula to associate himself with the Tucanos!

I hope that in the future both parties unite to form a united block, I can see progress if that occurs.  Lula is brilliant in trying to attract the PMDB, who is a larger party in the congress and is more to the left than the PSDB and much more left than the PFL.    

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fernandobn


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I do not believe in Political parties in Brazil, just the persons. They change sides as many times as one change underwear.  

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Fernando B.

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krista



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changing political parties happens everywhere...too bad, but you can't really expect a political system to not have stupid people in it. However, it seems to me that in Brasil, the political parties tend to be more meaningful than in many other places...

for instance, what they have here in US looks more like a one-party system. And in Estonia, my home country, we have a lot of parties...perhaps even too many... but they don't even pretend to have an ideology or some certain plan; they are more like social clubs where everyone runs with as generic slogan as possible and gets only their neighbors' votes...

I think on local level you are right - when voting for your city council, it is probably better to go by looking at each candidate individually. However, on the national level, a single candidate is powerless...they can only run with a party behind them, and later on they will depend on the support of their own party and the coalition parties... Thus, you'd still want to know all the main parties and make up your preferences on that level too; after all, you may like the main candidate, but completely dislike most of his other party members...and when he gets elected, he will always be influenced by his partners.


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fernandobn


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Krista, I agree with you, seems that Estonia and Brazil have a lot in commom.

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Fernando B.

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krista



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haha..sure they do..  

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