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Imontherun


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Does anyone know if the federal police visit your residence, to check up on, you during the naturalization process?
I have a friend who is a bit worried.

Total Posts: 7 | Joined Feb. 2003 | Posted on: 8:50 pm on Feb. 11, 2003 | IP
Patinho



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I just called my freind to ask about this. She went through the process a couple of years ago. Federal Police... no. INS inspectors.... yes. Hope you have your closets intergrated....

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Total Posts: 67 | Joined Dec. 2002 | Posted on: 9:51 pm on Feb. 11, 2003 | IP
Macunaima


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Er... There is no INS in Brazil. The folks who come to your house, IIRC, are federal marshals under the direction of the Ministério de Justiça's Divisão de Estrangeiros.

Yes, they do come. They will talk to your neighbors, your porteiro (if you have one) and anyone else they can corral to see if you are actually living together.

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Total Posts: 147 | Joined Jan. 2003 | Posted on: 2:12 am on Feb. 12, 2003 | IP
Imontherun


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Thanks for the replies guys. So you get visits from the inspectors while you're waiting for residency and again when you apply for citizenship?

Total Posts: 7 | Joined Feb. 2003 | Posted on: 6:25 am on Feb. 12, 2003 | IP
Macunaima


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Residency and citizenship aren't the same thing.

You get visits while waiting for residency if you're trying to achieve residency through marriage.

Citizenship will only come 5 to 10 years after residency, and only if you choose to naturalize. In this case, they don't need to check up on your marital status as that will have nothing at all to do with your naturalization request.

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Total Posts: 147 | Joined Jan. 2003 | Posted on: 5:56 pm on Feb. 12, 2003 | IP
Imontherun


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I have residency. I had visits from the marshals while waiting for it. My wife and i have now moved apart  but technically remain married. However if i get divorced i will lose my residency visa ( clearly stated on my diario official ). I don't know why this is, i seem to be the only person i know that this has happened to. I now have to naturalize in order to divorce and stay in the country.
Have you been through the naturalization process yourself Macunaima? How come you know so much about these processes? Do you think it is safe for me to claim that i'm still living with my wife while i'm applying for citizenship?
Thanks for your help.

Total Posts: 7 | Joined Feb. 2003 | Posted on: 7:35 pm on Feb. 12, 2003 | IP
krista



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ouch.
good luck with that one.

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Total Posts: 97 | Joined Jan. 2003 | Posted on: 8:15 pm on Feb. 12, 2003 | IP
Macunaima


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"However if i get divorced i will lose my residency visa ( clearly stated on my diario official )."

I would pay 100 reais and talk to an immigration lawyer about this. It seems to me that you're getting a raw deal. It could be that it has to do with the ammount of time you've been married. IIRC, there's something like a two year waiting period for your permanent visa to "take" - meaning after that you can divorce w/o problems.

I have not had any visits to my house during naturalization. It seems highly unlikely that this would occur. However, don't take my word for it: SP and Rio are full of immigration lawyers. Talk to one of them and properly inform yourself.

My knowledge on this topic is pretty broad because I've gone through it and studied it for my dissertation. But, even so, Brazilian immigration law is constantly changing.

See a lawyer, 'cause this Diário Official thing doesn't sound right to me. I'm not even sure what you mean: the only thing that SHOULD come out in the Diário Official is a warning for you to appear at the MJ and, later, notification of permanancy. Where does it say this stuff about divorce and what does it say, exactly?

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Total Posts: 147 | Joined Jan. 2003 | Posted on: 4:21 am on Feb. 13, 2003 | IP
Imontherun


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I found out about the my dodgy residency visa when i went to the Policia Federal to enquire about naturalization. The guy looked at my diario official and read a few clauses above my name - ''Defiro o presente processo de permanencia nos termos solicitado, salientando que o ato persistirá enquanto for (a) da condicão que lhe deu origem.'' which apparently means i will keep my visa as long as i stay married.
I think your right about getting an immigration lawyer.
I've been asking around for about a month now and everyone is telling me different things. Time to clean up this mess.
Does anyone out there know where i can get a competant immigration lawyer in Rio, who won't try to rip me off????

Total Posts: 7 | Joined Feb. 2003 | Posted on: 1:49 pm on Feb. 13, 2003 | IP
Macunaima


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Sigh. No, unfortunately not. Check out the folks at the Pastoral do Imigrante. I'll try to get their n umber for you on Monday, 'kay? They should know.

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Total Posts: 147 | Joined Jan. 2003 | Posted on: 2:48 pm on Feb. 13, 2003 | IP
Imontherun


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Just a few more questions macunaima -
I like the sound of the visa taking 2 years to ''take'' I hope that's the answer to my problem. What does IIRC stand for?
You said you are presently trying to naturalize. How long does the whole process take? And why are you naturalizing?

Total Posts: 7 | Joined Feb. 2003 | Posted on: 6:52 pm on Feb. 14, 2003 | IP
 

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