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Patinho



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In keeping with the spirit of this new board (Parabens Lucas!) and trying to get the ball rolling, I decided to post this simple question.

When visiting the Nordeste, I noticed that most of my freinds did not smoke regularly. That is to say most of them only lit up when drinking or not at all.

However, most of my Brazilian freinds in America are from the south (SP, Rio, etc) and nearly all of them smoked.

Is it just my freinds or is this the trend in Brazil? How do women in general view smoking? My Carioca freind thinks it's sexy. But I am just asking for general opinions here. Who is it that smokes more often? Older people, young people, men, women, south, north....

(oh... and I mean cigarettes!!)

Total Posts: 67 | Joined Dec. 2002 | Posted on: 10:00 pm on Dec. 27, 2002 | IP
Lucas


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Thanks for the compliments, but I've only installed the board.

I don't think there's more people smoking on south than other regions of the country or if older people smokes more than younger. There isn't a "target-public" for cigarretes.

Personally, I really hate smoking. I would not have a girlfriend who smokes.

Ah.. Meu inglês é terrível.

Não acho que as pessoas do sul fumem mais do que as de outras regiões do país ou se pessoas com mais idade fumem mais que jovens. Os cigarros não atingem um público alvo específico, essa droga maldita penetra em todas as camadas da sociedade.

Pessoalmente, odeio cigarros, odeio o cheiro... Me dá ânsias no estômago (sério). Não teria uma namorada que fumasse.

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Lucas, um usuário convicto (mas não fanático) de Macintosh

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USCIT


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I think you do quite well in English, Lucas. Thank you for the times you use it.

As to the smoking, I won't comment on that not knowing Brazilian smoking habits. Not a good practice though in any country. Every day I say it at least once that I am going to quit.

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USCIT

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Joe Gahona


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I've never smoked a cigarette in my life..... yet I still disagree with Mayor Bloomberg's new law. Come April, no one will be able to smoke in any restaurants or bars in NYC. Preposterous.

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fernandobn


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Parabéns Lucas pelo novo Forum

I think that in Brazil like in other countries, one can only smoke in open air spaces. I think that nowadays people are more concerned with their health and this is a good thing.    

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Fernando B.

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Lucas


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Quote: from fernandobn on 7:23 am on Dec. 29, 2002

I think that in Brazil like in other countries, one can only smoke in open air spaces.

At least in São Paulo, this is a law of Maluf administration if I'm not mistaken.

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Lucas, um usuário convicto (mas não fanático) de Macintosh

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randy828


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I personally can't stand smoking!  And I don't think it is preposterous to not allow any smoking in a restaurant.  People aught to wait until they are outside to smoke.  But if they do that...then they end up just doing another disgusting thing...littering!  

As for smoking in Brasil, every woman I have met from there has either been a "social smoker" (smoking when they are out drinking and dancing) or they have quit smoking.   I am like Lucas, I could never be with a girl that smokes...man...that stuff gets in your clothes, your hair...awful!

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Joe Gahona


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Quote: from randy828 on 9:30 am on Dec. 30, 2002
I personally can't stand smoking!  And I don't think it is preposterous to not allow any smoking in a restaurant.


From a selfish point of view, I'm glad they're banning it in restaurants. But I can't justify it logically. If forbiding smoking were in a restaurant's best interests, wouldn't they do it on their own?

I think it's silly to ban it in bars.

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Jay


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nicotene is a drug...most powerful/toxic/lethal  per gram found in nature.

It addicts easily and kills over time...costs a lot of money in the US (over $5 US) and smells crappy...and is offensive for those who do not smoke...

Jay.

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Joe Gahona


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If it's so offensive, Jay, then why don't bars currently forbid it? I don't smoke, and I'm not offended by it in bars, so you can't just say that nonsmokers are all offended by it.

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randy828


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The answer to your question Joe is that smokers don't find it offensive and most smokers are the people that go to the bars to smoke and drink.   They are the ones who give the bars their business, so that is why bars don't forbid it.

I am curious though, you are a non-smoker and you don't find it offensive that when you come out of a bar where there are people smoking that your clothes and hair smell like that?  What if the next stop for you that night is somebody's house party and you walk in smelling like that?  I guess some people just don't mind.

I don't go to bars just because of all the smoking.  It is true that not all people find it offensive...but I do and I don't give those places my business.

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Joe Gahona


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Randy, I don't like how my clothes smell like cigarettes the next day. I also don't like breathing secondhand smoke. But I don't think that bars should be forced to forbid smoking, just because I don't like it.

If Tom O'Halloran, owner of the Tipperary Pub, wants to forbid smoking in his bar that he built or he bought, then that's his business. It's up to him to decide what policy is best for his business. It's private property. If it's not good business sense to allow smoking, then those bars that do will go out of business.

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Eu sou americana e eu acho que o smoking e terrivel. Perdoem meu portugues.
Smoking is so bad for health. States across the US are passing laws that prohibit smoking in all buildings. Is there a smoking law in Brazil? If so, otimo!! If not, why not?

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Paulista



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In November the Brazilian senate passed a law forbidding Brazilians to smoke in their own cars while driving. This a federal law to be applied to the whole country.

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Down to Earth



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There are too many arguments about smoking, the first that just like alcohol the laws are very hypocritical, why ban weed or your usual drugs if smoking and alcohol kill so many people in a  year.

I hate smoking but I also hate when the State decides what people should do with their own bodies, eat, drink etc…Fair enough for smoking there is a point since apart from stinking and making breathing unbearable for non-smokers it actually harms them and there is nothing more claustrophobic to dance in a club full of smoke. But still, to suddenly ban something (like they are planning to do in New York) completely after so many years of legalisation will be playing with faire, just like it was in the days of alcohol prohibition.


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BRENT


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I actually agree with Down to Earth for once. Smoking should be legal everywhere, including hospitals and airplanes. I smoke (and not just cigs), and I don't want nazi whiners telling me what to do with MY lungs.

I mean, I don't like reading Down to Earth's drivel, but I think she has every right to voice her stupid opinions in this forum. Same with smoking.

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randy828


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Joe -  I agree with you 100%....if a bar owner wants to allow smoking in his bar that he owns...that is his choice.  I was just commenting on your statement why bars don't forbid it if it was so offensive.  

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randy828


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D2E - I disagree with you.  The states do have a right to step in and prevent smokers.   A persons right to smoke invades on another person's right to a healthy smoke free life.   If I am in a public place, I have the right to breathe clean air, and a smoker has a right to go find a place to smoke his cancer stick somewhere else.

It is like the right to free speech..but you can't yell "Fire" in a crowded place.  Your rights are there unless they invade the rights of others.

That is how I feel....and I am glad the government feels the same.

Brent, this is one of your more stupid posts.  Nazi whiners?  Please...we just want the right not to smell like shit...get second hand smoke in our system, and have the floors littered with your leftover butts.   Go smoke and do whatever with your lungs...just don't invade my right to not have that smoke around me!  Simple!

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Down to Earth



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I don’t agree with Brent’s stupid opinion actually, both you and randy828  don’t seem to have read my post properly.

“Reminder:

D2E: “Fair enough for smoking there is a point since apart from stinking and making breathing unbearable for non-smokers it actually harms them and there is nothing more claustrophobic to dance in a club full of smoke.”

What I’m talking about is draconian laws such as “banning” smoking all over New York like they are planning to do, or in LA where people can only smoke at X metres from a building. A little hypocrite with all the pollution caused by factories in the area. This is only asking for trouble.

As I said unlike taking most drugs, smoking is not only unhygienic but does actually HARM “passive smokers” and can be very dangerous if allowed in places such as Elevators, Hospitals, Planes. I mean, claustrophobic is not even the right description; it would actually be a nightmare and how selfish to smoke amongst the sick, children, asthmatics and pregnant women!

I mean I can’t care less if Brent wants to ruin his lungs and if a cigarette could be drunk or swallowed in a “pill” form I wouldn’t give a toss if he consumed 100 per hour and that is none of the government’s business.

But the trouble with smokers is that many do not understand how much it affects non-smokers they can’t even believe it should bother them. Many believe that it is some kind of discrimination, that people are picking on them for the sake of it. But this is only because many smokers cannot understand how horrible it is for a non-smoker to take a deep breath how much everything in a smoked filled room, how everything stinks and gets polluted by the tar and all the rubbish contained in the stuff. But the slefishest thing is when you go to a restaurant with smokers and most would not even think about ordering non-smoking table, they simply assume that non-smokers should put up with their nasty habbit regardless of how repulsive it is to have people smoking around food. But oh well it’s all about good manners and consideration, and that’s another story.


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Patinho



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Randy-

There is a flip side to your coin....  A smoker has the right to breath "polluted" air and a non-smoker can go find a place somewhere else to breathe his clean air.

Not saying I agree with that, but there are always 2 sides to an opinion....  What do you think?

Of course I do see your creative use of the word "public" place. However, for a privately owned bar/resturaunt/etc... I would have to side with Joe. The choice should be left up to the owner.


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"Quem quer viver faz magica"
--Guimaraes Rosa

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randy828


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Patinho - if you read my post above, I said that I agree 100% with Joe that the owner of a bar has every right to say who can and can't go in his bar and what they can or can not do there.

As for a smoker having the right to breathe his polluted air...that argument does not make much sense...he is creating the polluted air...I can't create clean air in a restaurant if a smoker has used his right to polluted air.  That is the problem...his right is invading my right.  If I exercise my right to breathe clean air...I am not invading his right.  The smoker is the one changing the environment..pushing his right and preventing mine. More than rights it is just a common courtesy.  Say I like to exercise my right to spit.  Say I am in a bus loaded with people...is it ok to spit?   Of course not.   Say I am in a bus loaded with people and I want to exercise my right to smoke....is it ok?  

I know the smokers will say "yes"...but that is the courtesy call...respecting other humans.  

I don't smoke around others, I don't spit around others, ...it is out of courtesy to other human beings.


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BRENT


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Smoking should be legal everywhere, people. Hospitals, buses, libraries, subways, maternity wards, public bathrooms, elevators... you name it! There is simply no good argument against it. Everyone knows you build up an immunity to it when you smoke enough. The problem is the casual smokers -- they actually need to smoke more.

Seriously though, I'm with the camp that says it's a private property issue. It's too late to start banning it now. Now, the topic of this thread is smoking in Brazil, so I refuse to contribute to going off topic any more. You guys can't smoke in your own cars now? That's messed up! What kind of penalty is there if you're caught smoking in your own vehicle?

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Lucas


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You can't do anything in the car that distracts you from the traffic like talking in cell phone, smoking, etc...

You must stay with both hands on the wheel.


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Lucas, um usuário convicto (mas não fanático) de Macintosh

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Patinho



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I know way too much about Brazilian driving to think that a law such as this would have any chance of creating some small amount of sanity to the chaos that is Brazilian driving.

A Brazilian freind once told me that STOP signs are merely suggestions and painted lines on the roads are considered to be a challenge to a Brazilian's creativity.

Brazilian drivers... I love ya... even though you scare the hell out of me. Keep smokin and talkin on those phones!! lol

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"Quem quer viver faz magica"
--Guimaraes Rosa

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Down to Earth



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"Smoking should be legal everywhere, people. Hospitals, buses, libraries, subways, maternity wards, public bathrooms, elevators... you name it! There is simply no good argument against it. Everyone knows you build up an immunity to it when you smoke enough. The problem is the casual smokers -- they actually need to smoke more.  "


I was definitely right on you being self-centred then… Or is this part of your new year’s resolution on being all–tough and rebellious?


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Patinho



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Brent & Down to Earth...

Can't we all just get along? You 2 really seem to have it out for each other. I think one of you should start your own thread where you can just insult and argue to your heart's content.
I must be honest, at first it was amusing to see the bickering back and forth, but now, when I open a post I see you 2 on EVERY SINGLE post. Half the time with nothing to say, just trying to get at each other's throat somehow. Isn't it getting old yet?

I know, I know.... maybe I should butt out and mind my own business. But I am a patient person... so if I am finding it annoying and useless, there must be others. So... don't get started on me now for making a simple suggestion...

Either way.... good luck.

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"Quem quer viver faz magica"
--Guimaraes Rosa

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BRENT


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Point taken, Patinho. I ignored DTE on my last post, and I've been staying on topic by posting about smoking. She just seems hellbent on flaming. (Kinda reminds me of the girls who hated me because they liked me in elementary school.) Besides, as evinced by her last post, she couldn't even tell that I was being sarcastic by saying that smoking should be allowed in hospitals, etc. I agree with you though. It's old now. I'm done. So go ahead and get your "last word" in, DTE.

I have a hard time believing that the no-smoking-in-cars rule is for safer driving. Is that really the reason for it? As for the law in NYC, I think it is being passed under the guise of keeping the employees free from smoke. I guess we'd have to poll employees to see what they think.

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Patinho



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Brent-

You truly are the "better man". I must admit that I was half awake when I wrote that post and in a bad mood... so I was worried I would come off as a jerk. Glad you understood what I meant.

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"Quem quer viver faz magica"
--Guimaraes Rosa

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randy828


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Come on Patinho...everyone already knows you are a jerk!!!  Risos!!!  Brincaderia!  Nao verdade!

You usually always have good posts Patinho!

Wow Brent..someone posted something positive about you!  You gotta be feeling it man!


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In regards to Brazil, I think alot has changed over the past 12 years.....I first visited São Paulo Brazil in 1990, and it seemed like EVERYONE smoked at that time! I couldn't believe it. There were no warning labels on cigarette cartons or any sort of public service warnings or anything. It was just the thing to do, and I admit, I also joined in on the fun. However, later on in the 1990's on later visits, things changed quite a bit, and now, you can find a rather large anti-smoking movement in Brazil. Things are still quite lax compared to the USA though....go to any bar or music club, at least in São Paulo, and I can almost guarantee that at the end of the evening your clothes and hair will smell of tobacco even if you don't smoke! That just don't happen in L.A. or NYC anymore.  

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Adam


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Brent- Try sitting on a 10 hr flight from New Delhi where the whole plane is filled with smoke and the only place you can go is the bathroom, then tell me your opinion. Yes you may be all for smoking, but Im sure you wouldnt like it if you couldnt breathe anything else for a long period. Please think before you reply to a post. Smoking in hospitals? Im thinking you are not close to your family and have no friends, otherwise you would know what its like to sit by someones hospital bed as they suffered and you would not say stupid things.

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Tchau

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Patinho



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ok this is a bit off topic, but since I started it, what the hell....

Has anyone noticed a big difference in cigarette packs in the US and Brazil? I am refering to those "Warning Pictures".

I know that they are warnings about health problems, but please don't anyone get offended by the fact that I found them fairly amusing. (Perhaps only because they were very different to me and I kept wondering where they got the models for these pictures.)

I mean there are these pictures of a guy smoking and a kid taking a cigarette out of his pack, the caption above says (In portuguese) "Kids Start Smoking because adults smoke"

Another has a picture of a pregnant woman, another is in a hospital talking about heart problems, one for bad breath, and the one that I found hilarious had a man and a woman in bed, both looked very distant and uummm.... "unsatisfied"... the caption above it said "Smoking causes sexual impotence." For a country that seems to be guilt free about most vices this seemed odd. I saved a few empty packages to show my freinds back home. They shared my same view.

has anyone else seen these? Any comments?

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"Quem quer viver faz magica"
--Guimaraes Rosa

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Ze


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Once you get accostumed to them, they become only ilustrations. A friend of mine even made a card game based on them.

Out of curiosity, how are the USA warning pictures?

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USCIT


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Zé, It probably varies according to brand, but the one I know of does not have a picture, just the simple statement on the narrow side panel;

"SURGEON GENERAL'S WARNING: Smoking by Pregnant Women May Result in Fetal Injury, Premature Birth, And Low Birth Weight."

The capitol letters are theirs.

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USCIT

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Patinho



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In response to USCIT, the brand doesn't really matter as far as I know. If it is made in Brazil, it has the pictures. For instance, I have seen hundreds of packs of Marlboro Reds here in the US with no pics, but the one's made in Brazil (same brand) have the pictures. At least this was my observation.

Ze, I have never seen pictures on American cigarettes. Warning Pictures I mean.

The other warnings you might see written on the side of the pack reads : "Smoking Causes Lung Cancer, Emphysema, and may complicate pregancy."
ANOTHER: "Cigarette smoke contains carbon monoxide."
MY FAVORITE: "Quitting smoking now greatly reduces serious risks to your health."

But again.... no pictures.

I'd like to hear a few details about your freinds card game if possible.

(Edited by Patinho at 1:19 am on Jan. 14, 2003)

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"Quem quer viver faz magica"
--Guimaraes Rosa

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Ze


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It is basically what we call "Jogo da memória", but I really do not remember the translation.

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Patinho



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oh ok.... "Memory Game".... we have something similiar here that we play when we are children....

i think this might be the same thing. You have a bunch of cards face down and you turn them up one at a time and try to match 2 of them.... If the 2 cards you turn up do not match.. then you turn both face down again and try another card..

is this it?

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"Quem quer viver faz magica"
--Guimaraes Rosa

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Ze


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Yes, it is it. Very amusing when you play with an image of a premature baby, or other of the more agressive pictures.

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BRENT


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Quote: from Adam on 1:52 am on Jan. 13, 2003
Im thinking you are not close to your family and have no friends, otherwise you would know what its like to sit by someones hospital bed as they suffered and you would not say stupid things.



ADAM, I've already made it clear that I was kidding with those comments, so either you're very stupid or just trying to start an argument. Knock it off or I will indulge you in the latter.


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Adam


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I didnt know you were kidding, but I am kind of looking for an argument, lol. It makes for good reading, verdade?

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Tchau

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Joe Gahona


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I am not. It does not make for good reading for the rest of us. If you want to waste your time arguing, please take it to e-mail.  

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Adam


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Ok, Ill leave it alone....hey, are you arguing with me?

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Tchau

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