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Organized Crime Shows the World Who's the Boss in Brazil PDF Print E-mail
Written by Arthur Ituassu   
Wednesday, 17 May 2006 11:10

Frontpage of O Estado de S. Paulo on calm returning to São PauloAt the moment this article is being written, the city of São Paulo is waking up to a fifth day of extreme social tension. During these last four days, people have been shot in the streets, policemen have been attacked inside their apartments, buses were incinerated, and public buildings have been targeted with homemade bombs.

The latest statistics tell the story: 115 deaths (twenty-nine policemen, three metropolitan guards, eight prison officers, seventy-one bandits and four ... citizens); fifty-three people injured; eighty-seven buses burned; 253 police stations attacked, fifteen bank agencies damaged; 115 suspects arrested.

The attacks, orchestrated by a crime organization called Primeiro Comando da Capital (First Command of the Capital, PCC), have spread fear through Brazil's largest city and exposed the most serious weakness facing the country in this presidential election year: the lack of a legitimate authority that can guarantee and secure the social and political life of the country.

On the fifth day, the situation seems marginally better. The newspapers are talking about a possible deal. A three-hour meeting has been partially confirmed between two representatives of the government of the state of São Paulo, a lawyer (said to represent the families of 15,000 relatives of the state's prisoners), and eight PCC prisoners themselves (leaders of the crime organization that has brought fear to the Paulistas).

The PCC's campaign this week had included a simultaneous rebellion of prisoners in forty state penitentiaries; this came to a halt on 16 May almost immediately after the meeting.

It was also at this point that the state secretary responsible for prison issues, Nagashi Furukawa, announced that he is allowing the installation of sixty TVs in the prisons' common areas that will allow the inmates to watch the soccer world cup in Germany that starts on June 16.

A key issue relating to the prison system in Brazil being raised after the raid is the leadership capacity of the PCC inside the prisons. This owes much to one simple and very popular gadget: mobile-phones. Images of prisoners talking on mobile-phones inside prisons have been repeatedly broadcast by the country's large news networks for several years.

Neither politicians nor prison officials have been able to address the matter. State governments blame the federal government and the telephone companies; the federal government (as usual where public-security issues are concerned) and the telephone companies say that this is not their problem.

A major financial problem is that public security is a matter of state governments but the funds are not being distributed. As I have written before, the ministry of justice's official data shows that only 5.5% (25 million reais - US$ 11.5 million) of the money previously allocated for the national fund for public security was actually spent in 2005 (yet the government spent 270 million reais (US$ 124 million) in organizing the 2005 gun-law referendum and deducted 200 million reais (US$ 92 million) from the taxes to be paid by the TV networks for broadcasting the "yes" and "no" campaigns' advertisements).

A National Concern

This is at last becoming a big issue in Brazil. A research project undertaken in February 2006 by CNT/Sensus found 78% of people expressing the view that public security in the country is deteriorating. They also said that the issue should be a high priority of the politicians and that every level of authority shares responsibility for the problems in this area.

Since the start of these tragic days in São Paulo, Brazil's national congress has started to debate a law that would oblige a defined proportion of public funds to be allocated to public security (as happens in the health and education sectors).

However, experience in these areas suggests that a mere guarantee of funding without a designation of social targets or the detailed implementation of programmes only makes it easier to spend money badly.

In education, for example, a study recently published by São Paulo state's federation of commerce found that Brazil is spending today less than the international average at primary and secondary levels (though more than the international average at university level).

In health, the money being spent should (in comparative terms) have brought infant mortality in Brazil to half its current level, and extend the people's life expectancy by five years.

The only good news about what happened in São Paulo is that it will ensure that public security will become one of the main issues of the presidential and congressional elections in October 2006. São Paulo state, after all, is the former fiefdom of presidential candidate and principal adversary of Lula in the race, Geraldo Alckmin. It is not long since Alckmin was boasting that his policies had reduced homicides by 43% at state level and 52% at city level between 1999 and 2005.

Now, these days of rage and violence will inevitably provide an opportunity to Lula 's Partido dos Trabalhadores (Workers' Party / PT) to criticize two party rivals that support Alckmin: Fernando Henrique's Partido da Social Democracia Brasileira (PSDB) and its ally the Partido da Frente Liberal (PFL).

Geraldo Alckmin renounced his position as governor of São Paulo state in order to run for president, delivering the position to his vice-governor, Claudio Lembo from the PFL, who is at the forefront of the tragic events.

At the same time, the PSDB and PFL will also try to blame the federal government in Brasilia for the crisis, on the grounds that it is responsible for delays in the construction of new federal prisons, for the lack of resources the affected region can spend, and for the absence of a coordinated strategic plan uniting the Brazilian federation against violence.

Meanwhile, Brazilian citizens themselves expect practical solutions from their bickering politicians - otherwise, and in light of the series of corruption scandals that marked Lula's first term in office, the reputation of politics and politicians will be even more discredited than it is already.

It is unnecessary to emphasize how risky a collective disbelief in politics in a large and powerful country such as Brazil can be. If people become tired of a situation where public authorities at all levels refuse to build their legitimacy by working for the citizens' basic needs, the entire social and political system is corroded.

After all, the idea of a powerful central authority legitimating itself on the basis that it can counteract the tendency of perpetual conflict among its subjects was invented in the 17th century, by none other than Thomas Hobbes.

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Brazil: crime and social statistics

* Murder is the bigger cause of death of young people from 15-24 years old

* Rio de Janeiro and São Paulo witness 42% of murders

* From 1985-2005, the number of Brazilians murdered has grown by 237%

* Between 1991 and 2000, the number of young people between 15 and 24 years old grew 47.3%

* The chance of a Brazilian being murdered by a firearm is three-four times bigger than the global average

* 75% of Brazil's municipalities have no cultural or leisure facilities; 96% have no cinemas; 86% have no theatre; 25% have no library

* 15 million Brazilians are unable to write and read.
 
Arthur Ituassu is professor of international relations at the Pontifícia Universidade Católica in Rio de Janeiro, Brazil. You can read more from him at his website: www.ituassu.com.br. This article appeared originally in Open Democracywww.opendemocracy.net.

Comments (42)Add Comment
Your future - embrace it!!!
written by Guest, May 17, 2006
Like I said in the previous thread - meet your new leaders: Narco-gangs!! This is your future Brazil. Embrace them as they are your only chance to kill the ruling class and the whorish politicians (at least the ones who haven't already struck deals with them that is LOL!!). Good luck!!
Re Your future - embrace it!!!
written by Guest, May 17, 2006
Get a grip opf yourself this is a very serious issue and we do not need kids aaround here.

I did not think that when the terrorists atacked the USA that was funny or good. I was as shocked as any American and I am a Brazilian.
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written by Guest, May 17, 2006
Do you think I was kidding?
Hey terrorists didn't attack the US - Bu$hco did!
Another statistic :
written by Guest, May 17, 2006

50 % of Brazilian deaths between the age of 15-24 are due to violent deaths !

And criminals who can get mobile phones while in jail and can also have short vacations....by law, can continue to manage Their "business" either from inside and/or outside the jail.

Soooooo simple !

And knowing that their risks is almost nil....why should they stop ?
Quite similar to the corruption of your politicians !
Brazilian deaths toll...
written by Guest, May 17, 2006


...has not shown the world who the bosses are.
Brazilian criminals have shown to BRAZILIAN society and your government/justice who the bosses are.

Quite different !

This is just unthinkable in a developed country, while it is not the first time it happens in Brazil by the same group ! What did you do then ????? NOTHING.... as usual!

WORSE : YOU ACCEPTED AND AGREED TO THEIR REQUESTS !
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written by Guest, May 17, 2006
tell me know-it-all it's an issue one's got to have great mind to not to be emotional but rather be fair with all parts involved. What would you do king? maybe death penaltyt?
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written by Guest, May 17, 2006
Why don't they just take the cell phones away from the prisoners? Is that so hard to do? You can't drive in Sampa while talking on your phone, but if your in jail the guards let you organize riots. What a country.
Re: Why don\'t they just take the cell p
written by Guest, May 17, 2006
Because in Brazil our most “illustrious” feeble-minded politicians are listening to some bogus human right groups (most are international groups) that are more concerned on how Brazil treats the criminals than on how the criminals treat the victims.

Those criminals should be in a very stiff security facility with no rights for sex, drugs, very limited and controlled visits, cell phone, etc. When you violate other person’s right, you forfeit yours.

Then, someone with a much "bigger" brain, decided to give some mother day’s time off to the criminals. And once the big shots in jail found out that they would not have the TV sets to watch, gasp, the world cup, they gave order to the real government of Sao Paulo to kill some members of the police force in retaliation. Our society does not care about the mothers, wives and children of the dead policemen and firefighters, the show must go on.

See, we do not execute the criminals because we think that is inhumane but if we do not give them what they want then they kill us. Do the mafia bosses listen to the human right groups?

Since nothing constructive is going to happen after now in the political arena about this, could someone “accidentally” lynch some of the big shots, please? Oh, screw the human right activists; they are not living in Brazil, why should they care?
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written by Guest, May 17, 2006
a country does not negotiate with terrorists, nor murders, and especially not with prisoners in jail!!! They shouldn't have ANY bargaining power!! Why do they?? That is the mistake, letting these people continue to hold power.

Death penalty?? f**kin' ay, start frying those bastards and broadcast it on globo, guarantee ya they'll think twice.
A Deal!!?????
written by Guest, May 17, 2006
Whatever you want to dump on Bush & Co. , and there is plenty, at least he didn't try to do a "deal" with Osama. How impotent is the Brazilian government ( an abuse of the word if there ever was one) is obvious for even the most dimwitted. These prisons should be in a state of indefinite lockdown, and the ringleaders publicly executed. Meet force with force. Brazil is f***ed beyond words.
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written by Guest, May 17, 2006
Quote:

"a country does not negotiate with terrorists, nor murders, and especially not with prisoners in jail!!! They shouldn't have ANY bargaining power!! Why do they?? That is the mistake, letting these people continue to hold power."


Reply:

A few years ago Larry Hoover, better known as "King Hoover" in my neck of the woods, single "First Chair" and Chief of all GD's (Gangster Disciples now known as "Growth & Development") through out the United States, a man to whom 12 year old children I would hear when I was that age, vowed their life and obedience to eloquently heard in the "spitting of literature" at that time: "If I die lay me to rest and tell King Hoover I did my best," was indicted on federal charges, while in prison, for running a $100 million dollar drug empire in Chicago alone from behind prison walls in Illinois. Larry Hoover at this time was infiltrating Chicago politics (while in prison. He had been in prison for a very long time - ever since I was a child).

Under the indictment, federal agents were to transfer him to another prison. Chicago law enforcement was already calling him the greatest criminal mind of 20th century United States. What's important here, in relation to this thread, is that prior to transfering Larry Hoover from out of the prison he was in, US federal agents *first notified* Larry Hoover and *requested* he would order calm and stability in the prison. They knew from an experience years prior that upon his order a prison riot would occur.

So Yes the United States Government does *negotiate* with top heavy's of criminal empires (plus Chicago crime leaders such as Larry Hoover and Jeff Fort are known to be "gentlemen" unlike LA tradition of top gang leaders. Perhaps it is due to the La Cosa Nostra cultural influence upon Chicago gangs). The Noriega and Iran-Contra affair made well known in US media should have already gave a glimpse of that.

Without a doubt what has happened in Sao Paulo, Brazil would never happen in the United States - that is *how the United States is today.* But I have said many years ago - in fact I wrote a letter to a US Cardinal and couple Bishops forwarning that narco-gangs will become a future threat to the Governments and stability of Western Civilization. In that same lettter I warned that if the United States ever had an economic collapse of great magnitude, the gangs in the United States are already currently orginized, numbered, and armed enough to take over the metropolitans of almost every city in the United States. -- They are, as we might put it in US lingo, "A sleeping giant."
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written by Guest, May 17, 2006
Noriega?? Wasn't much negotiating going on there. He's in a U.S. prison, and will die there. Not to mention all the drug money that was being "hidden" in his country was confiscated by the U.S. gov't.

I'm sure the US Cardinal and bishops are indebted for your foresight(?).
the root
written by Guest, May 17, 2006
As long as Brasil has areas totally out of the control of the authorities, around (SP) or mixed in (RdJ) with its Major cities this problem cannot be cured.While Brasil's prisons need to be fixed the real problem is having so many favelas filled with and ruled by scum. It's very sad what happened last weekend and I don't feel safe about visiting Brasil this summer. Brasilians need to take back their country much the same way America did with the mafia in the 20's, 30's, and 80's. While we still have organized crime and the violence associated with it, the carnage I saw last weekend was on a scale I can't comprehend. Start at the root, the favelas. One can only put so many fillings in a tooth before it finally needs to be pulled.
Favelas
written by Guest, May 17, 2006
So what do you do with them, send in the bulldozers? The problem is, there aren't enough decent paying jobs to support an upward move to better housing. Instead of subsidizing the incompent,corrupt political infrastructure and all it's cronies, Brazil needs a massive public works program building affordable decent housing,interstates,etc, to put people to work at decent wages, and stimulate the economy.
Brazilians accept the status quo, and don't demand serious change, and therefore get what they deserve. Brazil has no order, and progress is one step forward, and two steps backward.
re\"favelas
written by Guest, May 17, 2006
I agree a lot of it has to do with having decent jobs, but I'm not sure if public works will help. Brazil has had huge public works projects in the past and all they brought were mountains of debt and little to show for it. I believe the only public works brazil needs is to educate ALL its citizens at the primary and secondary level. Other than that getting rid of the taxes and beaurocracy to open a business and hire and fire people would probably go a long way to stimulating the economy. On a side note, it would be nice if some of the very high taxes relative collected relative to gpd in brazil actually went to paying to paying cops and prison guards better. That way they could be more selective in the hiring proces top hopefully get rid of the corrupt cops. Unfortunately, most of the money goes to paying lazy politicians and beauraucrats who can collect a government pention after only a few years of work.
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written by Guest, May 17, 2006
Quote:

"Noriega?? Wasn't much negotiating going on there. He's in a U.S. prison, and will die there. Not to mention all the drug money that was being "hidden" in his country was confiscated by the U.S. gov't.

I'm sure the US Cardinal and bishops are indebted for your foresight(?)."


Reply:

Noriega wasn't always in prison, nor was he always on the US Governments bad side. You can say what you want but its already pretty well known - through the Freedom of Information Act - that the United States Government negotiated to allow drug cartels to move in cocaine to the US through California - to which it was destined to be distributed by the infamous Crips and Blood gangs of California.

You can also be sarcastic, but the Bishops attempt influence in elected officials as well as the minds and conscience of their own laity. Perhaps a month after I mailed those letters a Bishop in Bogata, Colombia was assassinated by a young man (dressed in typical Hip Hop fashion) of one of the drug gangs or cartels in Colombia, for repeatedly speaking out against the drug gangs. And as recent BBC and other news source report, a Priest or Bishop (I can't remember which) in Sao Paulo, Brazil was vocally condemning the Government for the state of Brazilian society and calling for measures to be taken to improve Brazilian prisons and poverty in Brazil. As he said Brazilians should not have to live in fear.

So the point of sarcasim is what, before plains hit the Twin Towers, in which Americans thought terrorism could never strike on US soil with such ferocity and precision? Spare me the false ego and machoism, I remember well the panic stricken, frightful Americans, in awe and shock.

Jeff Fort himself is in prison for plotting - for pay - to commit terrorist acts in the United States back in the 1980's. The El Ruqin (sp?) drug orginization had grenedes as well as assualt rifles.

Gangs such as the Vice Lords are heavily influenced by Islam, and many of their members tend towards Islam or are Muslim. I myself tend toward Islam. She is the fastest growing religion in the United States (or at least was a few years ago).

And like I said... what happened in Brazil would never happen in the United States. However if the US economy took a dramatic collapse it is very likely - I argue - major metroplitans in the US would degrade in to the total or near total control of the major narco-gangs in the United States. Brazil is the #2 consumer of cocaine in the world it is reported, right behind the United States. What I'm suggesting is Brazil can show the United States what it can or will become if it both ever has a collapsing economy and fails to *really* address the massive numbers, influence, wealth, and armament of US gangs.

Imagine if Colombian, Brazilian, or US narco gangs ever got their hands on a nuclear weapon?

Everything is always a joke and source of ridicule to people until one day they wake up - and like 9-11 - get slaped across the chops. Then all of a sudden they want to "get serious" and act prevenative.

As the people of Sao Paulo found out the hard way: You can't get *ready* when you're already up to your neck in alligators. Prudence calls you had gotten ready before hand.


Pace.
t the post of death penalty !!!
written by Guest, May 18, 2006


Then you prefer to have your criminals murdering policemen and citizens. You prefer to negotiate their actual privileges !

Great....this is what you did already in the recent past !What has changed ? It is even worse than before.

It is also quite known that if you are against death penalty, then why do you allow policemen to kill innocent citize
ns by the huindreds every year !!!!
Quite a contradiction there.

You are a medieval country with archaïc laws. A small minority of politicians and criminals are the bosses in your country !

And as long as you dont protest vehemently and demand accountability and commitments to your governments, NOTHING WILL EVER CHANGE, just as nothing ever changed in the last 100 years.

You are BORNED LOOSERS simply because no one cares, except with a few words but nothing factual !
That is why Brazil is the world most violent country, S.P is the world most violent city. There are more kidnapings in SP than anywhere else, and more killings.
This explains why you have the most armored private cars in the world, the highest number of helicopters in SP for the wealthy who can then go to work safely !

And you are proud of that ???????? And you do nothing, except talking with promises but negotiating with criminals ?
Do you have to negotiate with criminals ? Then you are NOT ruled by laws !

Come on ! Lets be serious....just for once !
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written by Guest, May 18, 2006
"You can say what you want but its already pretty well known - through the Freedom of Information Act - that the United States Government negotiated to allow drug cartels to move in cocaine to the US through California - to which it was destined to be distributed by the infamous Crips and Blood gangs of California."

Well if this information is so readiliy available via the freedom of information act, why haven't I heard this on the news on any news station, american or otherwise. Please, show us this information that proves the U.S. gov't. was allowing drugs to enter the country.

And as far as 9-11 is concerned, the Pentagon, CIA and other agencies certainly thought it possible, as the Pentagon held simulations in the years previous to 2001 simulating the very activities that happened, planes crashing into the trade centers and pentagon!!

Please, do you not think the CIA, NSA, pentagon, etc., hasn't had YOUR same thoughts and moreso???

Who has the false egoism here??? As if you're some kind of visionary that even the CIA and Pentagon don't consider the same possibilities as you??
We have answers with no questions
written by Guest, May 18, 2006
The government still imports a majority of all narcotics into the US via the military, as has been done since the early seventies. On a smaller scale since the mid sixties. A major source of income for the North, Central and South American governments come from drug sales. The west is not alone in this game, but I’ll keep it simple for now. They have their hand in it all. Cocaine, heroin, cannabis… Whether you use, sell or choose not to let it into your life it still affects you in a big way. It does not care about the color of your skin, your religious beliefs, your political views. It’s just pot, it doesn’t hurt any one. Spark it up! You are now doing exactly what they expect of you. They now have you completely under control.

With the help of drug gangs the governments are controlling your life. The final solution, Controlled Demolition.

Regards, an American/Brazilian/Porto Rican
Religion you say . . .
written by Guest, May 18, 2006
"Gangs such as the Vice Lords are heavily influenced by Islam, and many of their members tend towards Islam or are Muslim. I myself tend toward Islam. She is the fastest growing religion in the United States (or at least was a few years ago)."

Religion - opiate of the masses tool of the wealthy to manipulate and oppress the poor and feeble-minded . . . Allahu Akbar, Amen and Shalom!
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written by Guest, May 18, 2006
"It’s just pot, it doesn’t hurt any one. Spark it up! You are now doing exactly what they expect of you. They now have you completely under control."

I'm confused - why then do the vast majority of governments refuse to legalize the use of drugs if it falls into their grand scheme of controlling us. One would think they would do everything to make it easier to access and more affordable . . .
Re: You are a medieval country with arch
written by Guest, May 18, 2006
Let's assume here that not ALL Brazilians think the same.

Let's assume here that not ALL Brazilians are dishonest, criminal or corrupt.

Let’s assume here that not ALL Americans are bad, there a lot of good people in the USA and from the USA.

Let’s assume here that not ALL foreigners are bad no matter where they are from.

Let’s assume here a more mature attitude.

I am not a layer. However, we inherit some of our laws from the Portuguese and there is a lot of influence from the Latin-Judea- Greco law system. And I believe, and I hope a Brazilian lawyer would correct me here, a lot of influence from the United States of America in our legal system and even constitution.

What is happening in Brazil is not that we have archaic laws but inefficiency on how the laws are enforced and interpreted by our system.

Many people in the intellectual world community would rather consider death penalty an archaic and medieval law. You should be more careful when you write. Consider the fact that you have plenty of time to think more carefully before you publish your comments.
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written by Guest, May 18, 2006
You are correct. One would think making it easier to access and more affordable would be the easier way for control. Though it’s not. Ask a business man what he fears most. Being homeless, having no money, and the drug heads on the street. Not that some business men aren’t heroin or coke users themselves. Ask a crack head what he fears. No money for a fix and the man (anyone in a suit). Crude assessment, yes I’ll admit.

Cannabis is a first fix for many hard addicts. Not all, but for many yes. And as one comedian said. Let’s legalize it, we have petitions. Where are the petitions? Oh man I forgot where I put them. Let me get another hit and I’ll remember.

But I digress. If one thinks their doing something illegal and their doing it pretty much freely, they think their pulling one over on the man. Their not, their doing exactly what mister suit expects of them.

And drugs are way easy to get. Especially after the first time. Affordable? Well that business man has to keep thinking that crack head he passes on the way to work will get clean and take his job.

Regards, an American/Brazilian/Porto Rican
re: opiate of the masses
written by Guest, May 18, 2006
Oh, your so right. If that was your comment earlier. Religion is the greatest distraction of the poor and simple of mind. Fortunately/Unfortunately (take your pick) many of the wealthy are also consumed by this disease. A lack of accountability and faith in themselves.

Regards,
Religion
written by Guest, May 18, 2006
As the person who wrote that familiar phrase I can tell you that the rich are indeed contaminated with the dogma of religion too but due to their position on the socio-economic ladder they are less likely to truly "rely" on a beneficent god like the poor are inclined to do. They are more disingenuous about their beliefs. The rich man may attend church but he does so mostly to give the appearance of propriety and assimilation into the predominant culture thereby gaining access to the upper echelons of the gate keepers of power.

Dumya's administration is a good example. Idiotic, schizophrenics who have obviously had a psychotic break with reality still professing their faith in god while perpetrating a war on a sovereign country. The primary difference is that wealthy religious men try and force their belief system on the poor because they have the resources, time and motivation to see them [the poorer in life] virtually enslaved by those dogmatic beliefs.

The poor man on the other hand is in such dire straits that he will pray for god to look out for him, thanking god profusely when it appears he has. The poor man is so concerned with the day to day condition of his precarious life that he doesn't feel secure enough to spend such precious amounts of time, energy and rosources proselytizing others. The poor are truly the most adversely affected by this opiate of the masses.
re: Religion
written by Guest, May 18, 2006
Nicely written
It’s the thought that people even believe religious teachings. That’s what boggles me.

Regards,
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written by Guest, May 18, 2006
Couldn't agree more!
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written by Guest, May 18, 2006
Quote:

"Religion - opiate of the masses tool of the wealthy to manipulate and oppress the poor and feeble-minded . . . Allahu Akbar, Amen and Shalom!"


Reply:

Yawn.

Islam looks at the world as a collective whole, it finds the concept of *nationalism* deficient in and of itself, to be tolerated as only an expression of mans physical needs on earth, but never to be above and beyond the *umma* nor that common human nature man shares.

I'm not Muslim, but this is one of the things I understand of her theology or "philosophy" you might say. There are multitudes of reasons one might turn wholey or partially to religion. It may have escaped your notice, but all G-8 nations are *secular* nations - in them the secular wealthy still control, manipulate, and oppress the poor (rather ironic secular secondary level public schools are reknowned in the US for on average being far worse academically than say... Catholic schools. So one would have to aske the critical question: exactly how "free" and enlightened does secularism in the US want people to be coming out of high school?)

It was in college that I learned to distinguish between *logical arguments* and *persuasive arguments*. For instance the argument you just gave in reply to me was a *persuasive argument.* I hazard to guess that most people graduating from your average public school in the US can not distinguish between a logical argument and a persuasive argument by a politician (or a corporations public relations department for that matter).

Then there is a matter of developing a habit of what one might call "a life of reading."

My point is this, religion has nothing to do with lack of intelligence or being "feeble-minded." Just as being secular has nothing to do with being enlightened or strong willed (check the obesity rates in the US).

Some might suggest Islam or religion in general offers *an alternative* to evangelical secularism. And understand I like many things of secularism, especialy of what I know of Brazilian secularism, but I can identify its ideological crusades be it in Iraq currently or in US entance into Vietnam a number of decades ago.

In the end the Walmart corporation is the 20th laregest economy on earth and yet hunger and strife still mark realities of secularized nations. The PCC that attacked in Brazil no doubt, was not doing so in the name of Jesus, some how I also doubt the Bank of Brazil sends out Eucharistic ministers on Sunday's.

For me Islam offers a way to approach the world in a fraternal manner. It offers a *community* a cross the tribalness of international lines. I have not yet embraced Islam, but it holds these potentials to me. If nothing else it offers *an alternative* to the *individualism, "f**k everybodyism", of secularism.*
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written by Guest, May 18, 2006
Quote:

"I am not a layer. However, we inherit some of our laws from the Portuguese and there is a lot of influence from the Latin-Judea- Greco law system. And I believe, and I hope a Brazilian lawyer would correct me here, a lot of influence from the United States of America in our legal system and even constitution.

What is happening in Brazil is not that we have archaic laws but inefficiency on how the laws are enforced and interpreted by our system.

Many people in the intellectual world community would rather consider death penalty an archaic and medieval law. You should be more careful when you write. Consider the fact that you have plenty of time to think more carefully before you publish your comments."


Reply:

I'm not a lawyer either, and a lawyer on this site can correct both of us if and where we are wrong, but as I understand it the "Western Civilization" inherited their logical sytle of systematic philosophy from the ancient Greeks and its law from the ancient Romans. It was Catholic cannon law as I understand it, that really inherited Roman law and consequently spread it through Northern Europe and many parts of the "New World."

The English system on "common law" was in many ways, something that evolved out of Catholic cannon law, or at least influenced by it. Hence this is why British colonies and Spanish colonies as well as Portugese colonies all had law codes against *sodomy* at one time.


A book I've read by Thomas H Becker on doing business in Latin America, stated that in essence a major difference between nations that based their laws off of English common law from that of the law systems inherited by the Spanish or Portugese is that, the common law rooted law structure begins from an assumption that man is free and it is laws that need to establish his boundaries and clarify that. Laws rooted from the Spanish or Portugese on the other hand, the book would argue, began from an assumption that man was not free and need laws to establish what he could do and clarifying the extent and manner.

I don't know how true this is but that's what I read from Thomas Becker.

John Paul II argued that while the death penalty was the right of a legitamate authority (such as a nation state) to use in protection of its citizens, that under modern technological times, our technologies render the death penalty morally unecessary.

However I would suggest it is arguable Brazil - or at least the state of Sao Paulo - does not possess the ability, technological or otherwise, to adequately protect its citizenry without the determent of the death penalty. - Just my thoughts.
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written by Guest, May 18, 2006
No correction - Your brand of Islam offers all the things you describe as you experience your religion differently than others. As a black man living in the US you cannot even begin to compare your situation with that of Palestinians, Iranians, Afghanis, etc. There are many subtle and not so subtle doctrinal differences and sects. Do you lean towards Sunni, Shiite, Sufi, Wahhabi, Hashshashin, Bahaist, Druze, etc? How well do you understand those sects and what they promote? Do you understand the Hashshashin sect well enough to say you lean towards their way of thinking?

“It may have escaped your notice, but all G-8 nations are *secular* nations - in them the secular wealthy still control, manipulate, and oppress the poor (rather ironic secular secondary level public schools are renowned in the US for on average being far worse academically than say... Catholic schools. So one would have to aske the critical question: exactly how "free" and enlightened does secularism in the US want people to be coming out of high school?)"

Perhaps it escaped your attention but those so-called secular nations are ruled by religious leaders ranging from the psychotically detached like Bush and Condeleeza all the way to the only non-religious leader among the G-8: Koizumi (I think - he may be religious too). All other leaders qualify themselves as devout or very devout. Moreover, In a recent survey over 50% of Fortune 500 CEO's said "religion was very important to them and dictated many of their actions" and you and I both know that religion factors into many decisions made at the top don't we?? I would also like to see some raw data regarding the fabled Catholic school performance. Could it be that they are private and their wealthy, religious parents can afford to send them there while other kids have to fend for themselves? You're argument is not persuasive.

I almost fell out of my seat when you stated that Islam is not nationalistic. I won’t even address that.

Not only is religion patently stupid and socially pathological, it also is very coercive and undemocratic. Consider that we taxpayers are obliged to subsidize the church mafia with our tax dollars. Religious groups get huge tax write-offs, and that's adding insult to the injury they do to all of us.

The foolish laws and policies passed as a result of religious coercion -- such as bans on certain medications, early abortions and even the sale of sex toys in some states (!!!) -- do enormous harm to our society. For generations children have been warped and psychologically damaged by these weird beliefs.

Let's demand that tax codes be rewritten to ensure religious groups pay taxes like anyone else. And, no, those tax breaks are not in the Constitution. They were inserted into our laws by courts that caved to pressure from the church mafia.

Many federal policies -- especially on birth control and family planning in the U.S. and abroad -- are based on conservative religious views. And they are just getting started.

That's why it's imperative that Americans stop viewing organized religion as a sweet, benign spiritual activity and see it for what it is: A dangerous, illogical world view that opens the door to all sorts of abuse and tyranny. The frequent news reports about abuse of children and women in church cults are just a small part of that picture.
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written by Guest, May 18, 2006
Gracas a Deus!, Thank God!, Gracias a Dios!
Thank You, thank You.
Finally, some comments worth reading and not one cachorro showing up.
Hope it stays that way.This website is a good thing.Please, no graffiti on the walls.
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written by Guest, May 18, 2006
Quote:

"No correction - Your brand of Islam offers all the things you describe as you experience your religion differently than others. As a black man living in the US you cannot even begin to compare your situation with that of Palestinians, Iranians, Afghanis, etc. There are many subtle and not so subtle doctrinal differences and sects. Do you lean towards Sunni, Shiite, Sufi, Wahhabi, Hashshashin, Bahaist, Druze, etc? How well do you understand those sects and what they promote? Do you understand the Hashshashin sect well enough to say you lean towards their way of thinking?"


Reply: First of all I'm mixed - more specifically mulatto - not "Black." Secondly, I'm not Mulsim so your statement "Your brand of Islam" does necessarily fit me. Thirdly, I'm aware there are various sects within Islam, Sufi as of now tends to grab more of my attraction.

It should also be noted that you are the one attempting to *proselytize* me. I never tried to induce you or anyone else into Islam or any other religion. Your very first response to me injecting the term "feeble minded," which by choice of words was meant to be offensive and cause negative tension. In other words your secularism, or at least how it is in your heart, wishes confrontation and its own form of evanglical crusade. Not content with others thinking different than you. So secularism as you demonstrate is no harbinger of peace.

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"Perhaps it escaped your attention but those so-called secular nations are ruled by religious leaders ranging from the psychotically detached like Bush and Condeleeza all the way to the only non-religious leader among the G-8: Koizumi (I think - he may be religious too). All other leaders qualify themselves as devout or very devout. Moreover, In a recent survey over 50% of Fortune 500 CEO's said "religion was very important to them and dictated many of their actions" and you and I both know that religion factors into many decisions made at the top don't we??"


Reply: I don't share President Bush's religious views, but his religious views is neither here nor there as to *Democracy* being the secular ideology being pushed into Iraq. It's not President Bush's Evangelical Christianity establishing a Christian therocracy. The United States is a secular country which allows freedom of religion. But when she goes to war she goes generally to crusade for the secular cause of Democracy. Over a million Vietnamese the United States killed, along with dropping over 200 somthing tons of bombs in the Southeast Asia region between Laos and Vietnam, loosing over 50,000 US troops often at the tender age of 19, for the spread of secular Democracy against secular Communism. So your reaching for something that isn't there, it can be demonstrated that the Bush administration has saught to establish a Democratic government in Iraq. It can not be demonstrated that the Bush administration has saught to establish a Protestant therocracy in Iraq.

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"I would also like to see some raw data regarding the fabled Catholic school performance. Could it be that they are private and their wealthy, religious parents can afford to send them there while other kids have to fend for themselves? You're argument is not persuasive."


Reply: Dude, wake up into the 21st century. Many Catholic schools have always serviced poor people. In fact some of the wages Catholic school teachers (the one that weren't nuns) were recieving in the 1980's were ridiculously low. Another thing is, many Catholic kids from poor families would work in the schools afterwards to lower the cost of their tuitions. Catholic schools have had a long history of requiring tests in such subjects as history be done in essay answers, in compare and contrast form. That is quite different than a large percent of public schools who have a history of "fill in the blank" answers for history questions. Hence many public school graduates are renknowned to have trouble when they enter college. In fact it is so bad that many 3.0 public high school graduates struggle very hard through their first year of college (if they make it through the first semester). - That's not to say all public schools are bad, some are actually very excellent and even better than most Catholic schools. But those are few.

It should also be noted that unlike the secular world, religious groups such as the Jesuits open schools and teach across international lines. A US public school does not open schools in Brazil, India, Canada, Britan and et cetera. But the Catholic Church with a faaaaaaaar less pool of money to draw from opens schools all over the world and educate children. So she provides a service other than just dogmas. One the $10 trillion economy of the United States is not providing nor that of the corporate and virtual NGO: Walmart.

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"I almost fell out of my seat when you stated that Islam is not nationalistic. I won’t even address that."


Reply: The concept of the *umma* the theology of Islam is not nationalistic. It's a simple fact. It's one of the major reasons Islam can draw mujahadeen from all over the world. It's the carving up of the Islamic world by former Western colonial powers into "nation states" that has been one component to alot of tension in Islam trying to understand itself under this identity. Has there been nationalistic fights in Islamic world? Yes. But I never argued people lived out Islam perfectly or that the *umma* was cherished perfectly. Similar to Haitian Democracy, or Russian Democracy after the collapse of the Soviet Empire. It's questionable how perfectly either of those Democracies are lived out. I can tell you I would rather live in communist Cuba than Democratic Haiti.


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"Not only is religion patently stupid and socially pathological, it also is very coercive and undemocratic. Consider that we taxpayers are obliged to subsidize the church mafia with our tax dollars. Religious groups get huge tax write-offs, and that's adding insult to the injury they do to all of us."


Reply: It's your opinion that religion is "patently stupid and socially pathological" and it's your opinion not an objective fact. And it's fine if you believe that. I don't care.

As for it being "undemocratic," if by that you mean the United States can not function as a Democracy so long as it tolerates religion and consequently peoples freedom of choice in which moral philosopies they feel more compeled to along with which fashion of devotion to the creator they feel more at harmony practicing? If that's what you mean then I would suggest you have a less than accurate comprehension of what a Democracy is.

The religious groups in the United States do not have to pay taxes - *so long as they do not endorse politicians.* If they do so then they risk losing their tax free exemption. I will cede you this, a number of Protestant denomination break the law all the time in this sphere - both Republicans and Democrats. But it does not occur within US Catholicism, as the law is applied much more harshly to her. You have never heard a US Bishop endorse a canidate running for election, nor do you find Politicians campagianing within Mass at Catholic churches in the US.

However given that many Christian Churches - both Catholic and Protestant - public services to the most needy of society, they should be given tax right offs. I mean outside of New York City, I know of no other city in the US where the actually city government and tax payers operate and finance homeless shelters. Having once stayed in a homeless shelter I appreciate them being there. It is mainly religious orginizations that operate homeless shelters. And the "Mission" and "Salvation Army" save alot of lives in the US during the freezing winter months. If not for them thousands just in my city alone, would freeze to death every winter in their homeless condition.


Quote:

"The foolish laws and policies passed as a result of religious coercion -- such as bans on certain medications, early abortions and even the sale of sex toys in some states (!!!) -- do enormous harm to our society. For generations children have been warped and psychologically damaged by these weird beliefs."


Reply: As stated before, you will not find US Catholic Bishops endorsing a politician. The US Catholic Bishops teach that catholics must vote against abortion, against the death penalty, must vote *for* gun control, must vote *for* orginized labor. And the Bishops teach catholics must vote with their conscience. Hence given that how do you figure catholics are coerced to vote for one party over another? Either way a US Catholic votes he ultimately betrays one of the things he or she is suppose to support or be against. Consequently it is left to the persons conscience as to what they believe causes less harm.

Last I recall liberals were pro gun control, they were pro orginized labor, and they were against the death penalty. Yet I don't hear people who support those things condemning religion when it supports it. Which leads me to believe you, as others, just have a problem with people or religion when the beliefs and or convictions runs counter towards yours. Hence you prefer a tool of coercion yourself to help indoctrinate people with your own beliefs.

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"Let's demand that tax codes be rewritten to ensure religious groups pay taxes like anyone else. And, no, those tax breaks are not in the Constitution. They were inserted into our laws by courts that caved to pressure from the church mafia"


Reply: If the Churches are taxed then by law they can edndorse political canidates and even put money into their coffers. You would just be creating a bigger problem then the one your complaing about.

Quote:

"Many federal policies -- especially on birth control and family planning in the U.S. and abroad -- are based on conservative religious views. And they are just getting started."


Reply: So? You do believe in Democracy right? You believe in the right of people in a state (e.g. Wisconsin, Florida, et cetera) to vote and determine by popular vote which way they wish to live? Or is your problem with Democracy? I mean its pretty inherent in a Democracy that rules you don't like might get voted in. No one ever said Democracy meant everything will go they way you want it and all life will bend and conform to your perception of the way the world should be. You evidently fail maturely comprehend what "Democracy" implies.

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"That's why it's imperative that Americans stop viewing organized religion as a sweet, benign spiritual activity and see it for what it is: A dangerous, illogical world view that opens the door to all sorts of abuse and tyranny. The frequent news reports about abuse of children and women in church cults are just a small part of that picture."


Reply: Well I tell you what. The German Catholic Church has alot of influence in Latin America (the German Catholic Church is heavily left politically) because the German nation gives money to the Catholic Church there, consequently the German Church is quite rich, which allows it lavishly spend money on Latin America. The German Catholic Church spends more money on Latin America alone, than the United States Government spends on all world development combined.

So if the United States Government and the US tax payers want to pick up all the charitable undertakings the Catholic Church provides in the United States as well as abroad (remember the US is in a war a terrorism globally, not to good PR to start saying f**k you to everyone you want help from after you've crushed one of their major sources medical, food, shelter, and education).

Oh... in case I forgot to mention, many Catholic parishes in the US have a sister parish in Latin America in which they help finacially support. So f**king with the US Catholic Church money means f**king with some Latin Americans money.
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written by Guest, May 19, 2006
Go to church on Sunday. Your mother looks at you with love, such a good son. The priest thanks you for your generous offering last week. Could you spare a little more for the congregation this week. Your wife squeezes your hand tighter and you give more.

Monday night your back on the corner. Business has been great all day. Your pockets are full. Thinking of that degree you got from community collage last year, what a waist of time. Four years of studying and you go back to your old job. Easy cash and respect is all you really want. One of your girlfriends walks up to the corner. No my wife doesn’t expect me home till much later. Sure you have time for a quickie.

This goes on every night. But Sunday is the Lord’s Day. If you don’t go to church and feast with your family on Sunday, all hope will be lost.

Nice family values. The religion and days of worship might change. On a corner or in an office, they do it just the same. I see this scenario all too often in the states and Brazil.

Regards,
LOL
written by Guest, May 19, 2006
NO DEALS
KILL GANG MEMBERS
SHOW SOME GUTS AND CLEAN UP CRIME
\"Thank You God...\"
written by Guest, May 19, 2006
Yes, so far these posts have been very well written and insightful; however, we know it will not last much longer when these people stop taking their medication. I'm inspired! Some of these comments have me going to the library for books on Greek Philosophy, World Religion, and the biography of John Paul II.

To the skeptics who wrote:
written by Guest, May 19, 2006
"You can say what you want but its already pretty well known - through the Freedom of Information Act - that the United States Government negotiated to allow drug cartels to move in cocaine to the US through California - to which it was destined to be distributed by the infamous Crips and Blood gangs of California."

Well if this information is so readiliy available via the freedom of information act, why haven't I heard this on the news on any news station, american or otherwise. Please, show us this information that proves the U.S. gov't. was allowing drugs to enter the country.



"I'm confused - why then do the vast majority of governments refuse to legalize the use of drugs if it falls into their grand scheme of controlling us. One would think they would do everything to make it easier to access and more affordable . ". .
Continuing
written by Guest, May 19, 2006
The answer: They want the CONTROl that keeping all drugs illagal brings, and they want the wealth. Yes, means top figures in the U.S. administration--Vice President George Bush, Governor Bill and Hillary Clinton, etc. If you want to make any country safer, put the drug dealers out of business. That is, repeal the laws that keep the gangsters in business. :References: "Powderburns", Celerino Castillo III, 2000

"Inside the Octopus", Preston Peet, High Times magazine circa 1999

"Prevailing Winds" magazine

http://www.csun.edu/CommunicationStudies/ben/news/cia/

http://www.geocities.com/~virtualtruth/crack.htm

Tatum Files

http://www.druggingamerica.com/list_of_tatum_files.html

http://www.deepblacklies.co.uk/the_pegasus_file-part2.htm

http://www.stewwebb.com/Blackmail%20Congress%20&%20Senate%20Control%20Files-Boulder%20Properties%20by%20Stew%20Webb.html

http://www.nexusmagazine.com/articles/pegfile1.html
Accessed May 19, 2006. Excerpt:
"On 26 February 1985, Tatum and his crew were instructed to fly two individuals to one of the larger Contra camps on the Honduran border. His flight log lists the names of the two individuals as Bill Cooper and Buzz Sawyer, both of whom worked for Corporate Air Services. Following a meeting between the CIA agents and Contra leaders, Tatum was given a sealed cooler, marked "Vaccine", weighing approximately 200 pounds, and instructed to deliver it to a USAF C-130 transport plane at La Mesa Airport, Honduras. Two crew members offloading the cooler accidentally dropped it, breaking the seal. Inside were over 100 bags of cocaine. Tatum resealed the cooler and later watched as it was transferred aboard the C-130, outward bound for Panama.
On his return to Palmerola Air Base, Honduras, Tatum phoned Col. North to advise him of his discovery. North replied that it was "a trophy of war" and that the "Sandinistas are manufacturing cocaine and selling it to fund the military". North closed the conversation by saying that "the cocaine was bound for the world courts as evidence" against the Sandinistas.
The whole incident struck Tatum as odd and reminded him strongly of earlier missions dating back to 1983-84 when he was stationed at Fort Campbell, Kentucky, as a Special Operations pilot. Regularly he would trans-ship white coolers, marked as "Medical Supplies", to Little Rock Air Force Base, Arkansas. On two occasions he carried similar coolers to Mena Airport, Arkansas. Deliveries of medical coolers to Little Rock AFB were picked up by Dr Dan Lasater - a close confidant of the then Arkansas Governor Bill Clinton."

http://www.nexusmagazine.com/articles/pegfile2.html

They don\'t deserve this...
written by Guest, May 19, 2006
All I know is that Brazilians don't deserve this. Brazilians are good hearted people and don't deserve this type of crime/violence that's been gripping their country.
RE: \"They don\'t deserve this...\"
written by Guest, May 19, 2006
Thank you, we do appreciate your words.

By the other hand:

We think that American people does not deserve Bush.

We think that the Europeans do not deserve our soccer players but they pay them well.

We think that Africa should have a better future.

We think that Asia is overrated.

We also think that Australians speak the most humorous English. Well, the dialect I would say.
Failed \"SOLUTIONS\"
written by Guest, May 27, 2006
Arthur Ituassu, along with the Marxist dominated Church in Brasil, lobbied for the gun ban for the people. He liked that the people would be HELPLESS before criminals and rogue government.
The Gangsters in question used machine guns and hand grenades and other weaponry that were never sold in the gun stores of Brasil to the people.

This demonstrates how stupido the gun control schemers were and they are dishonest as well.

The PEOPLE must have the MEANS of self-defense.
Victim disarmers, like this guy and the rest of VIVO RIO are the enemies of the people.
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written by Guest, May 30, 2006
I'm a lawyer And I'm Brasilian.The Christianity was accepted by the Roman empire only in 300 AFTER Christ, and the roman already had their law system on about 600 years. They took the philosophical ideas from the greeks, but they were the first one to put these ideas on a system. And romans influenced in an indirect way the "Common Law" of the anglo-saxons, an on a direct way the latin countryes. But not only the latin, the germans, the swiss, Holland, only Great-Britain and their derivative countryes, like US and Australia uses the common law. I don't know about scandinavia and the east europe before and after teh comunism.
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written by Guest, May 30, 2006
I wrote bad, sorry for my poor english. The germans, the dutsch and the swiss, as the latin european countries like france, spain, portugal and of course italy uses the latin sytem of law

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