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Brazil Wants to Ban Mulattos and Give Blacks an ID. They Call This Progress PDF Print E-mail
Written by Janer Cristaldo   
Thursday, 20 July 2006 20:36

Brazilian mulataA stupidity cloud seems to hover over the Brazilian national Congress these days. Not that it would be easy to find any intelligent cloud over the Congress. But now there's a high concentration of stupidity and the whole country is threatened with a stupidity rain. Two projects, that intend to send Brazil two centuries back are being discussed in Brasília.

One of them, by senator Paulo Paim, already approved in the Senate, wants to send Brazil back to the racist America of the America when Jim Crow laws were in force or perhaps to the Hitlerist Germany or even to the South Africa of apartheid.

To be honest, I have nothing new to say about the matter. Since talks about quotas started I have been denouncing  this tactic adopted by the black movements as something that will only serve to stimulate racism. The stupidity keeps moving on with ever increasing audacity.

While before all we talked about were quotas, senator Paim's project now intends to identify Brazilians by race, as it was done to Jews in Nazi Germany. Is the stupidity being repeated? This chronicler feels compelled to repeat himself.

I have already commented on the Statute of Racial Equality, when I denounced recently the extinction of the mulatto. With a stroke of a pen, the senator intends to extirpate from the country's history the most evident proof of the good racial conviviality. The expedient is elementary.

As blacks comprise a mere 5,4 % of the national population, the senator decides to call black the whole mulatto contingent, which represents 39.9% of the population. Give a little time and Brazil will be defined as being for the most part black. By the way, this is how the country is already seen by many Americans and Europeans.

The intention is to adopt the American model, which does not admit miscegenation. It's either black or white. Some intellectuals, able to escape the herd spirit that characterizes the species, presented to the Congress a document with 114 signatures, with arguments opposing the Statute and the reserves required by racial quotas.

Right away the document was satanized as the "White Elite's Manifesto," as if the mean white men were interested in maintaining the black population far away from their territory. 

The government, which since then had been insisting on maintaining the academic quotas, felt  compelled to back out. Now they are talking about social quotas. If on one hand it disengages the reserve of vacancies from the racial element, on the other  it maintains the absurd purpose of sending to the university people who do not fill the basic requisites to enter college, ruining once an for all the academic teaching, which is already extremely deficient.

Paulo Paim put a goat in the room. The government removes the goat but leaves the rest of the animals in the room. That goes without saying that such a project is flagrantly unconstitutional. "All are equal under the law, without distinction of any nature," says article 5th of our Magna Carta. If the new proposal is approved, some will be more equal than others.

Good part of the black population liked the idea of winning with bent rules and they can't even see the trap they are falling into: having entered university through the back door they will be naturally rejected in the labor market.

Anticipating that, the senator has already added to his project a guarantee that the law will assure at least 20% of the positions in show or advertising on TV to Afro-Brazilian actors. The logic next step will be to impose these same quotas to the private sector, ending once and for all any merit criterion left.

The project also includes a mandatory course in high school, General History of Africa and of the Black in Brazil, as if Africa's history and that of blacks were more important for Brazil than Greece's History and of the Greeks, or Portugal and the history of the Portuguese, or Italy and the Italians,  America and the Americans.

It would be interesting to imagine the way the new course will deal with the sale of slaves to the European whites by the black tribal chiefs of Africa. Or will it be a forbidden chapter of history, like the slaughter of Polish officers in Katyn forest by Stalin's troops, like the slaughter of 7,000 Spanish members of the clergy by the communist in Spain?

The senator's project still anticipates the creation of a special ID that will identify blacks racially. According to the statute, blacks will be required to carry their black ID card. It's funny to observe that in past decades the black movements had arrived at the conclusion that race doesn't exist.

Now it does exist and must appear in a document. Since whitening is quite generalized in Brazil, perhaps a better solution would be to create a tattoo or another very visible accessory, like Hitler created in Germany for Jews and homosexuals.

If such monstrosity is approved this country where miscegenation has always been the rule will start to officially discriminate by race. We are walking with large steps towards a black Nazism.

If such foolishness weren't enough, another project, this one from House Representative Pastor Amarildo intends to take the country even farther back in time, to Middle Age days, when the guilds controlled with an iron fist the exercise of professions.

Basically, the intention is to smother freedom of expression, regulating journalism, a profession that cannot be regulated.

If thanks to a decree-law passed by a military junta in 1969 only those with a journalism course can be journalists in Brazil, the new project, approved by the Congress in the quiet of the World Cup, intends to regulate even columnists and commentators.

Now, this dictatorial rule does not find a parallel in any democratic regime in the world. Journalist is he who gets his income from the exercise of the journalism profession and that's it.

The pastor's project is in reaction to the  rejection of a proposal by Fenaj (National Federation of Journalists) to create a Federal Board of Journalism. That proposal was sent in 2004 to Congress by the Federal Government. Due to the pressure by the journalists and the media owners, however,  the attempt to curtail even more freedom of expression in Brazil was withdrawn on that same year.

Again, the quotas. The white guild wants to protect the corporation. While the country was getting thrilled and distracted by the World Cup, the project was approved almost clandestinely in Congress. It now depends only on a veto or an approval by the Supreme Ignoramus, the president. It's amazing that such a rule would appear now in these Internet days, a time in which any citizen can start his blog and do journalism the way he pleases.

The Supreme Ignoramus, as it is known,  has no love lost for the press. He might very well adopt such juridical excrescence. Right now when the Web has liberated journalists from the costs of paper, printing and distribution. Blogs represent today high level journalism and they are nimbler than the journalism on paper. The Chinese communists have already realized this and are censoring the Internet.

If he adopts this scourge, the Supreme Ignoramus will be fighting in vain against tomorrow's dawn.

Janer Cristaldo - he holds a Ph.D. from University of Paris, Sorbonne - is an author, translator, lawyer, philosopher and journalist and lives in São Paulo. His e-mail address is This e-mail address is being protected from spambots. You need JavaScript enabled to view it .

Translated from the Portuguese by Arlindo Silva.

Comments (189)Add Comment
No punishment to journalists... is this a joke?
written by Augusto Falk, July 21, 2006
You said: "Basically, the intention is to smother freedom of expression, regulating journalism, a profession that cannot be regulated." Why not? Bad professionals have to be BANNED from the free channels of expression, as they are using a very sensitive and influential weapon to spread their sometimes IRRESPONSIBLE and UNFOUNDED comments about something they have no idea about. No freedom WITHOUT the corresponding RESPONSIBILITY should be tolerated from anybody. Why are "journalists" better than me? Are they some kind of untouchable Gods or Godesses? Give me a break... Next, please!
Why ban Mulattos?
written by Antonio Owens, July 21, 2006
Why ban Mulattos? As an African American having visited Sal paulo and Rio, I felt very unwanted and alienated when I was around light skinned Brazilians, but when I was around mulattos and darker skinned people they were very friendly and I had the time of my life! To me Brazil is very racist towards it's own mulattos and dark skinned people and very racist towards outside blacks from other countries. The problem is that Brazil is a unique situation but something has to be done to provide opportunities to darker skinned Brazilians. Here in America, as you know, is very racists even today 2006, However Blacks have ther own universities and colleges. We have our own television stations,newspapers,and magazines. I am very proud that Brazil now has it's first Black owned TV station and magazine called RACA.The government of Brazil is racist but They are at least acknowlegding that there is a race problem, in the past they did not, so now progress is coming!
Looks like we may have a racist here...
written by Maximus IV, July 21, 2006
I think Janer Cristaldo may be the racist here. What's wrong with lumping all persons of African descent together? Europeans do this everyday with the resultant benefits accrued as a result of walking around in "Whiteface." With 50% of the Brazilian population unified by their Afro-Brazilian heritage they in turn can walk about in "Blackface" with the resultant benefits accrued thereof.

But alas, your concern is the potential political power that would be gained by a unified tagging system such as that in use in the United States! The results would surely be the same as Blacks in "Blackface" start electing Blacks to political offices once held by Whites in "Whiteface."

This would also break down the crony sytem of corruption so rife in Brazilian politics as newer Blacks would be looked on in suspicion and mistrust as outsiders who could upset the balance of GRAFT!
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written by Charles, July 21, 2006
I agree with both comments above. Brazillians claim there is no discrimination in their country, yet majority of the poor are black. I visited a medical school in Salvador in my last trip to Brazil, and majority of the students were Lighter skinned Brazillians, In fact the only Black student I saw was an African. I asked my Brazillian guide why this was the case, and he told me about an exam called the Vestibular, and how that exam is very difficult to pass. I inturn told him that having met many Black physicians in America and England, I see no reason why Blacks cannot pass what can be at best "a simple test" it is at that point he confided in me that this issue was caused by racism. The writer of this article is barking up the wrong tree. Give Blacks an opportunity to climb out of the Favelas, then Brazil will be able to benefit from a better skilled population.
Congratulations to the author
written by Bruno, July 21, 2006
I disagree with all comments here. The article is CORRECT. We don't need to transform this country in black version of the Nazi Germany. Mulattos like me are the PROOF of how race is seen, or better, not seen. Are there too much mulattos in US or Europe? I am not saying there isn't any racism, I am saying that it is FAR LESS than in US and in Europe and these kind of laws are backward step of a few hundred years.

About the "simple test", do you know why they don't pass? Because public school sucks. If you want to pass in it you must not only study all your life in private schools but attend a course known as "cursinho" made specially for this purpuse. Know what else? Since there aren't many public colleges the competition is very high. It's not only blacks, a lot of other people do NOT PASS that exam. That doesn't mean they aren't good enough, it means that they aren't well prepared for the exam and that's all.

The second laughable argument is "blacks = favelas", I have blacks in my family and they aren't in the favelas. Know why? Because they work. That's all the magic a person needs, to work and study. Is that difficult?

People that support it are no better than those young alienated white americans that become neo-nazis out of frustation and not fitting in a high competitive society, blaming blacks and immigrants even for the bad weather. You see, similar kind of people.
Help Support Positive Mulatto Identity Globally at http://www.mulatto.org
written by Dave, July 22, 2006
Janer Cristaldo,
Thanks for writing this informative article. If folks want to support positive mulatto identity as an option, not just in Brazil, but globally, please visit the community at http://www.mulatto.org
Blacks and African Centrics - Our Time is NOW.
written by AfroBrazilian, July 22, 2006
Dave's mulatto.org website is a racist website that despite aiming for a "positive mulatto identity" 95% of the time can only relate their "mulatto" "identity" through a Black context. Please visit http://www.afrolatino.org/forum/ where real 100% African Centric Afro Latinos discuss Black issues.

Having African descended people all united under one label "Black" is an excellent idea and I commend Senator Paulo Paim with all my heart .. and with all my soul. May God Bless him.
Please, don\'t make me laugh,,,,
written by Salsassin, July 22, 2006
smilies/grin.gif Afrolatino.org is mostly Afro American with a spattering of American raised Afro-Latinos. Each time an AfroLatino raised in Latin America posts they weigh the guy to see if he buys into their Afrocentricity, then they either welcome him or harass him.
The fact is both American mulatto oriented and black oriented extremists (not just regular identified people) tend to miss the picture. In Latin America it has a lot more to do with where you are raised and who you see as kin. Some people may identify one way, and others identical in look will identify differently. I have no problem whatsoever with mixed people identifying as Blacks in the the AfroBrazilian Black communities. On the same token, others are raised in the more mixed communities and identify as Mulato, Pardo, Mestizo, etc. So long as they aren't denying their Afrodescent, its fine. If fact many Brancois also are Afrodescent. Any inmposing of an identity is wrong. including any ODR or hypodescent. No matter who applies it.
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written by The Mestre, July 22, 2006
A racist site like Afrolatino.org calling someone else racist? Hahahaa That's a good one.

Anyways, I hope the Brazilians steer clear of applying the flawed American racial concepts to their society. They have enough problems to worry about.
May the Strongest Survive ...
written by AfroBrazilian, July 22, 2006
Salsassin,

Well, you're either African centric or not .. what don't you understand about that? Black people are descended from Africa and we will pay homage to our homeland and our ancestors. "Black" isn't a label that exists in and of itself. Are we African Centric? You betcha, no apologies whatsoever. Now on to your ""I have no problem whatsoever.." and your "people identify" and your "It's fine." You have no authority on the matter. I don't care what you accept and what you don't. I don't care how you "feel" or how you "think things should be." Are you even of African descent? The fact of the matter is that a society in which all Blacks are grouped together has more unity and progress than a society that has different layers of acceptance. LOL, many things are "wrong." What it really comes down to is who has more power to impose his or her will - Me or you?
Janer Cristaldo and the racist end of objectivity
written by Gustavo Brum, July 22, 2006
This is person is not a journalist!!!
Nothing can be worse in news person than not having objectivity!!! This article is so lopsided that is almost unreadable.
What's funny is, everybody in Brazil alaways talks about diminishing the cruel income gap between the rich and the poor, between the well-off whites and the starving blacks. However, if a law is proposed to help reduce the abysm between classes, then the so called intelectuals, "opinion-formers, all scream in unison and write biased articles like Janer Cristaldo's one.
They believe in the utopic concept that Brazil is a racial democracy yet their skin is always very, very light!!!
Brazil IS NOT America!
written by Prince Kusi, July 22, 2006
Black Americans are hilarious. It's very frustrating for me to see so many of them speaking out in favor of Brazil adopting a U.S.-style racial identification system with absolutely no regard for Brazil's unique culture and history. Not unlike the Coca-Cola corporation, or Nike, these most fortunate of the new world blacks seem intent on using their "first world" influence to make Brazil exactly like the USA. And I would be willing to wager that very few of them speak Portuguese, or would be able to define the terms "cafuzo" or "caboclo." Nor are most aware that, by upholding the American racial caste system, they pay homage to Richard Nixon, its creator.

More to the point, black Americans seem totally oblivious to their own contradictory attitudes about race. So imprecise is the English language that it allows them to say they are "pro-black" while upholding what are clearly white-supremecist values and notions of beauty. Quick, who's prettier, Vanessa Williams or Whoopi Goldberg? Here we can see how it would be beneficial (and a hell of a lot more honest) to employ the term "mulatta" to refer to Vanessa Willams, Alicia Keys, Mariah Carey, Halle Berry, etc. "Negros” (people with black skin – the color black, that is) are looked down upon in the States, as they are in Brazil. Nomenclature doesn't appear to matter.

Listen, Brazil IS NOT the United States, people! Yes, there is extreme inequality within her borders. Yes, blacks (in the Brazilian sense of the word) are horribly discriminated against and underrepresented in popular media, but Americanization is not the solution. The fact is that the vast majority of Brazil's population is poor, undereducated, malnourished, underrepresented in popular media, exploited, subject to police brutality, etc. Though they seem to mean well, Brazilian politicians are taking the easy way out by trying to replicate the American model. Do negros deserve more rights than morenos, mulattos, cafuzos, caboclos, arabes and japas? I think not. Rather than "transforming" mulattos into blacks on paper to ameliorate this systemic problem, funding better primary and secondary schools, literacy programs and libraries would be a good start. Forcing people into asinine racial categories won't end discrimination or lead to empowerment. Valeu!
full of ignorance this Cristaldo !!!!!!!!
written by ch.c., July 22, 2006
Since when has Brazil 5,6 % of Blacks ??????
Are you referring only to your securitized community in SP where domestics, nurses are blacks ??????

Shameful your desire to minimize the simple truth as to the race mix of Brazilian society !!!!!!!

Was your father or grand father a German Nazi who escaped to Brazil to avoid jail for the attrocities commited during W.W.II ???????
Re: No punishment to journalists... is this a joke?
written by a guest, July 23, 2006
Actually, it's the author who is defending that journalists be no gods. What the law project aims to is to regulate blogs and other types of media so that only the people with a journalist diploma, obtained from a 4 or 5-year long university course, can do that. If such a law passes, even your commentary is likely to be regulated and you would be forbidden to express yourself. Got it?
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written by Lord Invader, July 23, 2006
It always amuses me how white Brazilians try to pretend that their country doesn't have a racial problem. I have heard this line thrown at me on a couple occasions, first by a black Brazilian, then a white one(on different occasions). And yet in the upper-middle-class and upper-class sections of Rio, all you see are white faces. During my stay in Brazil I recalled seeing no black doctors, or even mulatto doctors, for that matter. I saw almost no black bank tellers, maybe three or four at the most; few, if any, black waiters in the resturants in Copacabana. On the other hand, I saw plenty of black beggars, minstrels(on the beach), prostitutes, neer-do-wells, etc. But of course, it's always these white Brazilians pushing this fantasy of a "cosmic race" where North American style racial discrimination doesn't exist. They will never tell you the truth--that all these various little racial subdivisions are meant to divide and control the black population. And that, of course, white Brazilians don't give a s**t about black Brazilians whether they are pure black or pardo or confuso/cafuzo, or whatever...however, a white Brazilian will lie to your face about what he really feels about you.
I agree with you, Lord Invader
written by Salsassin, July 23, 2006
White Brazilians are hypocritical. It's usually the light skinded members of the Brazilian upper class who like to fantasize about a "Brazilian racial utopia."
Mulatto.org is not \"racist\" but, yes, we have racists on our website
written by Dave, July 23, 2006
I strongly disagree with "Afrobrazilian." Yes, mulatto.org has its fair share of racist members, but that doesn't mean everyone at our forum is racist. There is space for everyone at our site. We try to see all view points. If you have a positive black identity, then we'd like to hear from you. Yes even racists, be they mulatto racists, are welcome at our site. Everyone is racist. I could be "considered" racist against blacks (or whites) but hey, my current girlfriend is full black. So, it really matters what perspective you see things through. Visit mulatto.org - Everyone is welcome. smilies/smiley.gif
May Brazil Stay Multiracial & Unique
written by e harmony, July 24, 2006
Even with the U.S. massive economy after the fall of the Soviet Union, apparently the Black middle class in the U.S. has been shrinking since the 1970's into the 1990's. Where exactly it stands right now in 2006 I'm not sure. But pbs.org "Frontline" did a report on it. If you consider middle class in the U.S. begining at $15,000 a year then Black America in the 1990's had about 13 million in the middle class. If you consider middle class in the U.S. beginning at $25,000 a year then Black America in the 1990's had about 9 million in the middle class. http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/...lysis.html

The U.S. econonmy is the largest on planet earth. If all Mulattos being classified as Black would automaticlly transform Black society in a mecca of social and financial prosperity, then there would be few single Black mothers, few Black males in prison, and an upper class of Blacks bursting through the seems, there would be no Crips or Bloods gang, no GD's or Vice Lords gang, few black men would get shot in gun violence. Because behold! The "Black" label would have created awe, mystery, and bliss.

The "Black" label does not create awe, mystery, and bliss in the Nigerian economy. It has not done it in the Black American economy or "quality of life" social sphere. Why would it magically create awe, mystery, and bliss in Brazil?

Furthermore, I'm a member at mulatto.org. And the site itself, per its purpose, is not intended for racism.

Another person on a another forum, I read, stated something quite interesting. In an era in which we keep espousing "people should be allowed to be themselves," be that in sexual orientation or gender identification, or even in so called "equal rights," some how the United States (and some other peoples) deems it proper that Mulattos are denied right of self identification - or "being themselves."
Re: May Brazil Stay Multiracial & Unique
written by a guest, July 24, 2006
Interesting. And the decrease on the black middle class coincides with the beginning of affirmative actions.
Re Prince Kusi
written by Maximus IV, July 24, 2006
Who's prettier Kate Beckinsale or Rosie O'Donnell? Whites are the ones who started this looks madness so don't be surprised if Black finish it.
Re: Black Middle Class
written by Maximus IV, July 24, 2006
The shrinking Black middle class comes as a result of more White social mischief. More Black Women in the workforce more Black Women choosing careers over child rearing Pro Choice Abortions on demand= Shrunken Black Middle Class. Any more questions?
Black Americans Out of Brazil
written by sammy artista, July 27, 2006
Please do not put your black american racist views in with the brazilian way of life.We dont need your music,your culture,and your opnions.I live in america and white.And never found a black american that new was not a racist.We brazilians dont wanna your kind there.Also ID is only one,the national ID,and it shopuld not have any race on it.A brazilian dont have race,either we are Brazilians or not.If you born in brasil,your color should not be in a ID,be it your japanese or arab or native brazilan,or injun.heheh Those things are the work of americans ,black american and their racist influences.I had musician from bahia over here,and as soon he got involved with the hip hop cloud he started talking about race just like a american,and how blacks been slaves etc...A nivce guy just turned racist becuase of rap crap...and the media is patronizing this rap crap,and more....pretty soon they will have tv station where they will play rap 24 hous in Brazil,and lots of stupid kis are going to eat it like bananas,and someone will get rich,for sure.so....
Racist White Brazilians Out of America
written by Lord Invader, July 27, 2006
Please do not put your black american racist views in with the brazilian way of life.We dont need your music,your culture,and your opnions.I live in america and white.And never found a black american that new was not a racist.We brazilians dont wanna your kind there.Also ID is only one,the national ID,and it shopuld not have any race on it.A brazilian dont have race,either we are Brazilians or not.If you born in brasil,your color should not be in a ID,be it your japanese or arab or native brazilan,or injun.heheh Those things are the work of americans ,black american and their racist influences.I had musician from bahia over here,and as soon he got involved with the hip hop cloud he started talking about race just like a american,and how blacks been slaves etc...A nivce guy just turned racist becuase of rap crap...and the media is patronizing this rap crap,and more....pretty soon they will have tv station where they will play rap 24 hous in Brazil,and lots of stupid kis are going to eat it like bananas,and someone will get rich,for sure.so....

You say you live in the States? Get the f**k out of the U.S.A., then. The US has enough nazi wannabe types running around with their tiny dicks and shaved heads, we don't need your latent passive-aggressive Brazilian-type racist bulls**t. FYI, if the black Brazilians weren't feeling hip-hop, they would have ignored it. Hip-hop caught on in Brazil because black Brazilians were tired of motherf**kers like you lying to them. Face it, Alfredo, the jig is up--your cosmic highfalutin nonsense about "no racism" has been disproven, and now your neguinhos are facing reality for the first time in centuries. Can you dig it, baby? smilies/grin.gif
Re: Racist White Brazilians Out of America
written by Heitor, July 28, 2006
The level of ignorance from the Nazi blacks is appaling. I have met some americans and got prepared to see "racism" (that is what the propaganda says, right?) but I was very well treated by the white americans I met (after showing I was above average of course) and the only racist people I happened to find were black. Quite strange isn't it?

Take this racist crap out of my country, we don't need "black supremacy" around here, no one's supremacy as a matter of fact. If all those blacks you talk that live in the favelas could stop staring at women's butts and could stop making those horrible noise they call music and start WORKING AND STUDYING, they would be better. Less beer, more work.

People speak of "african culture" but there's nothing pretty about that culture. I would like to see black people that were like Beethoven, Mozart, etc, but I all see are rappers! Rappers that can't even speak a language properly. Please produce beautiful things so all the world can applaud!
Big Mouth Dirty Dagos Won\'t Shut Up
written by Lord Invader, July 28, 2006
The level of ignorance from the Nazi blacks is appaling. I have met some americans and got prepared to see "racism" (that is what the propaganda says, right?) but I was very well treated by the white americans I met (after showing I was above average of course) and the only racist people I happened to find were black. Quite strange isn't it?

Take this racist crap out of my country, we don't need "black supremacy" around here, no one's supremacy as a matter of fact. If all those blacks you talk that live in the favelas could stop staring at women's butts and could stop making those horrible noise they call music and start WORKING AND STUDYING, they would be better. Less beer, more work.

People speak of "african culture" but there's nothing pretty about that culture. I would like to see black people that were like Beethoven, Mozart, etc, but I all see are rappers! Rappers that can't even speak a language properly. Please produce beautiful things so all the world can applaud!


Isn't that funny? A Nazi calling us Nazis. The next thing they'll do is accuse us of trying to exterminate them.

Look, dago dumbass--it's no wonder you were treated wonderfully by whites(providing you are telling the truth; I seriously doubt it). You ARE white. Naturally, they are going to relate to you better. And judging from the bulls**t you speak, it's no wonder the "blacks" hated you so much.

What kind of dumbf**k thinks that the only thing about black culture is rapping? I guess you've never heard of Duke Ellington--a hell of a lot better than your schmaltzy-ass Villa-Lobos, or that watery bossa-nova crap! Or Thelonious Monk, Benny Carter, Charlie Parker, John Coltrane, William Grant Still, Louis Armstrong, Sidney Bechet, SUn Ra, Coleman Hawkins, etc., etc., etc.

When was the last time you monkeys produced anything--except the world's biggest brothel(ie., O Brasil????)

FYI, if you guineas actually GAVE blacks and mulattoes opportunities to be successful, they would be successful. But that's not what you people want, is it?
http://www.afrolatino.org
written by http://www.afrolatino.org, July 28, 2006
AMEN!! smilies/cheesy.gif
Re:Big Mouth Dirty Dagos Won\'t Shut Up
written by Heitor, July 28, 2006
Hahahahahah. No genius, I am not white, nor black and I am not that "dago". But I related well with some american whites simply because I didn't have the monstruous inferiority complex you have, and dealt with them as an equal, sometimes showing I could do things better than anyone else. That's how I gained respect, it wasn't by whining. Whiners like yourself deserve nothing but despise.

Another thing genius, the "rapper" was just an example. Living in Brazil I had more of what I would wish of this "African culture" than you will ever have in your lifetime. All kinds of things, being flushed through the media 24x7. Music, every february or so that samba crap, all kinds of rythms coming from Bahia, all kinds of "baianos" beating their bongoes, foods. And those black cults, those primive cults I had the opportunity to see with my own eyes.

Imagine someone sacrifice a cow in the name of Zeus, or contacting the Oracle to know what to do of their lives. No this is not ancient Greece, this is the everyday life of many blacks in Bahia. As if those bunch of christians weren't enough with their fairy tales we have things even worse. That beating, that singing, those black images in their rituals.None of that is pretty.

Eventually we find dead chickens with some food from those black cults, and I am talking about Sao Paulo. Imagine that in Bahia. How is this pretty? The beggars must love the free lunch though.

If you want to be respected you should work on beautiful things, so everyone could appreciate you. Being a Nazi and spreading hate all over the globe won't help.

So, this mulato here asks you:

- How's it like to live in hell? This constant inferiority burden you carry with you wherever you go?

What a loser. What irritates me the most is that this kind of black american loser will come to Brasil, not study at all, just assume their crappy society somehow is a model for all others, and tell the lazy black relatives I have "are oppressed by the evil whites". They live in s**t because they drink too much beer, can't take their eyes off women, and don't like working!!!

Not all are like that, but that's the generalization american idiots are trying to sell. The message of hate.

About the brothel thing, that coming from the country with the biggest pornographic industry can only be a joke. Any men on earth can see american girls (the black ones too) with someone else's sperm on the face just by going to the closest video store.

Have a nice day in hell.
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written by Lord Invader, July 28, 2006
Hahahahahah. No genius, I am not white, nor black and I am not that "dago". But I related well with some american whites simply because I didn't have the monstruous inferiority complex you have, and dealt with them as an equal, sometimes showing I could do things better than anyone else. That's how I gained respect, it wasn't by whining. Whiners like yourself deserve nothing but despise.

No, it's because you think you are white....and, most likely, you ARE just a white boy troll, pretending to be Brazilian.

Another thing genius, the "rapper" was just an example. Living in Brazil I had more of what I would wish of this "African culture" than you will ever have in your lifetime. All kinds of things, being flushed through the media 24x7. Music, every february or so that samba crap, all kinds of rythms coming from Bahia, all kinds of "baianos" beating their bongoes, foods. And those black cults, those primive cults I had the opportunity to see with my own eyes.

Oh, I get it. So you're not really a Brazilian, you're just some sad-ass hillbilly faggot clown posing as one....I bet you went to Brazil with your flabby low-rent ass, trying to get some pussy from the mulatas--but even the scaggiest, most toothless trannies on Avenida Atlantica turned you down. Figures.

Eventually we find dead chickens with some food from those black cults, and I am talking about Sao Paulo. Imagine that in Bahia. How is this pretty? The beggars must love the free lunch though.

If you want to be respected you should work on beautiful things, so everyone could appreciate you. Being a Nazi and spreading hate all over the globe won't help.


I agree--get the f**k off the message board and grow your hair back, and get rid of all those "SIEG HEIL" tattoos, you pussy wanker.

So, this mulato here asks you:

- How's it like to live in hell? This constant inferiority burden you carry with you wherever you go?


What's it like? It's full of greasers, especially dumbf**k Brazilians--like you. And it looks exactly like Sao Paulo!! smilies/grin.gif

What a loser. What irritates me the most is that this kind of black american loser will come to Brasil, not study at all, just assume their crappy society somehow is a model for all others, and tell the lazy black relatives I have "are oppressed by the evil whites". They live in s**t because they drink too much beer, can't take their eyes off women, and don't like working!!!

Brilliant job, mulatto muthaf**ka. If we didn't work, we could not afford a $1600 round-trip ticket, now, could we? You just keep shooting yourself in the foot....

About the brothel thing, that coming from the country with the biggest pornographic industry can only be a joke. Any men on earth can see american girls (the black ones too) with someone else's sperm on the face just by going to the closest video store.

Yeah, sure, pal. Most of the really cruddy porn we see nowadays--especially the faggoty/shemale stuff--comes out of Brazil. Which means that those American girls are probably your sisters--nay, your brothers after going under the scalpel!! smilies/grin.gif

Have a nice day in hell.

Sorry, I don't live in Latin Amerikka!!
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written by Charles, July 29, 2006
To Heitor, you say you live in the states but it is obvious from your diatribe that you are extremely ignorant. I suggest you use some time in the states to take some community classes on the history of the United States, it will do you some good. You say you are a mullatto who is accepted by whites. Guess what, I do not know what state you are in America, but in many parts of the United States, if people know that you are a Brazillian, you will be equated with being a mexican, and even though they will accept you to your face, they will sell you out when La Migra (Immigration) comes calling. As for you Prince Kusi, I hope you are not Black, if you are, I truly feel sorry for you. Your example of beauty was to compare Whoopi Goldberg to Vanessa Williams. Let me point out some truly beautiful Black women to you. Angela Bassett, Sanaa Lathan, Aunjanue Ellis and Kimberly Elise. If you are Black, please understand that your comments suggest that you hate yourself. There is nothing worse than a self loathing Black man.
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written by guest, July 29, 2006
Janer you are the BIGGEST a*****e on this website. No Brazil is not 5.6% black dumbass. It's 45% black. It has THE LARGEST BLACK POPULATION OUTSIDE OF NIGERIA. Don't believe me? Then take it up with the UN, UNESCO, Brazilian DEPARTMENT OF LABOR, Brazilian BLACK MOVEMENT, Brazilian 1980 CENSUS. Everyone in the world knows that Brazil is black and mixed, and filled with shame and self-hate. That the white elites have been committing GENOCIDE by trying to WHITEN the populaton. That 20 million black Brazilian women were STERILIZED. That immigrant was CONTROLLED so that Africans could not enter, only Europeans. That the use of blonds in the media and in schoolbooks has made Brazilians ashamed of black looks. Is that the wonderful magical history you celebrate as uniquely Brazilian? Then I just pity you.

Yes mulattos need to unite with blacks, it is for their own good. It's like bisexual people going under LGBT so they can have help from gays. Or Agnostics being with Atheists under the label Secular. IIt's common sense to unite as have-nots against the haves.
To Charles
written by Prince Kusi, July 29, 2006
Hi Charles. Thanks for your comments. Note that I posed a question regarding who was prettier in my earlier posting, I did not answer it. You answered it, and responded accordingly. The fact that you were somewhat disoriented by not knowing my race ("is this a brother or the other?") really speaks to my point. Most Americans are accustomed to "shading" their reactions based on the color of the person they are reacting to rather than focusing on the persons ideas, which amounts to racism in my view. From your list of "beautiful Black women," at least two of them would not be called "negras" in Brazil; again you have bolstered my argument. Also, I noticed that neither India.Arie, nor Alek Wek, and not even Naomi Cambell made your cut. Interesting.
Racism in Brasil? Nooo
written by bronx dialect, July 30, 2006
Well after reading all of these comments, i have to explain why American Blacks will never agree with Brasil on issues of race or vice versa. America had a lot less racial mixing that in Brazil. Besides the prevalent rape that plagued female slaves, the Blacks and the whites did not mingle that much. That is how we graduated into a Jim Crow society. it was inevitable. Now Brasil and Dominican Republic mixed purposely. Some utopic intellectual named vasconcelos called it the cosmic race where we get the best of the three racess: the intelligence of the white man, the strength of the Black man (to haul and push like a mule of course) and I don't remember what the indigenous contribution was. But places like Brasil and DR prescribed to the race whitening theory which is disguised as a ploy to get rid of racism by eliminating race, but is really a racist concept to eliminate Black. So whoever is giving "biggups" to miscegenation is a rapist and an imperialist.

Someone said that America has MORE racism than Brasil. You cannot quantify racism. There is no such thing as more racism. Racism is not counted by the number of events that make it in the news or the number of political leaders that have mad it in out history. It is a deep rooted system that continues to regenerate itself with each generation. It can manifest itself in different ways and sometimes has clandestine forms. It's like saying that my church has less sinners than yours.

OK, let's talk about the rap music comments. So, Heitor has taken a Humanities class and is familiar with high art and low art in American culture. Great!! The problem is that this beauty that you discuss is subjective. Distinguishing between high art (which usually refers to white society and kindly includes jazz- thank you, I guess) and low art (something that people of color create) can be racist because it is going to result in these racial distinctions.

I wiuld also like to say that talking about the ills of slavery is not being a Black supremist. It is what it is. In Brasil, a mulatto gets better treatment, so they don't have many complaints, but in good old Dixie we SEE and are cognizant of our racism. Americans know what they have against them and i don't know if it is fair to say that Brazilians live in ignorant bliss because they don't even know that they are being racist. Racism is ingrained inthe racist and in the victim to the point where the two of them don't even recognize it any more. it is like a sickness. But ignorance is Bliss, so I hope that you are happy since you think that we live in hell here. I wish I could be blind and ignorant too.

Oh yeah and who in the hell started a mulatto site? That is sick. No straddling the fence!
Get Real
written by Seeing Reality, July 30, 2006
Reality check ... when blacks in the past sat back and did nothing, no organization, no representation, no economic clout, white racism zoomed out of control. I'm sure millions of people of color can tell the story similiar to the experiences I've had with those who see themselves as white feeling it is their god given right to be racist and conduct themselves accordingly from puberty till old age. Attacking you for dare trying to improve yourself and not being white. I've spent a great deal of my life trying to get along with people regardless of race or color, but people are tired of racists and their schemes and feel it NECESSARY to single them out. I do not hate white skin. I dispise SPECIFICALLY whites who talk crazy to you because you're not white.

Reality check ... it's a trust issue. Black people (after 500 years of this) instinctively distrust those with white skin who talk to blacks crazy.

After 500 years I think black folk around the world just want a break from white schemes and lies and seek to organize and build economic institutions of their own to be cushioned at least from those white people who are evil and insane. I KNOW THERE ARE BAD BLACK PEOPLE BUT WHITES GENERALIZE BLACK AS BAD INHERITLY AND GENETICALLY WHICH IS PART OF ** THEIR ** EVIL. I WILL NEVER SAY THAT ** ALL ** WHITE PEOPLE ARE BAD, BUT ANYONE WHO DON'T THINK SOMETHING HAS TO BE DONE ABOUT WHITE EVIL ARE THEMSELF INSANE AND SOMETHING IS WRONG WITH THEM. PERIOD. The white racist mindset is clear to all but two types of people. The white racists and those who are sick in the head who think "white people can do no wrong".

The issue reaching the highest levels of Government in Brazil clearly shows a willingness to stop pretending all is good among darker Brazilians. As with the United States, if whites were really interested in color blindness then why do THEY make everything about SKIN COLOR. Bending over backward to maintain WHITENESS EXCLUSIVELY.
This post was made by an impostor
written by Salsassin, July 30, 2006
written by Salsassin on July 23, 2006, 6:17 pm

White Brazilians are hypocritical. It's usually the light skinded members of the Brazilian upper class who like to fantasize about a "Brazilian racial utopia."
I find it entertaining how white racists and black racists argue with each other
written by Salsassin, July 30, 2006
you both sound mighty stupid.
Sorry but brazil is not just a White and Black problem.
My post on AfroLatino
written by Salsassin, July 30, 2006
in Brazil discrimination is more on a sliding scale than on some segregated color line. It is gradual and those with predominant indigenous and African features are on the low end while those with European and also some other ethnicities are usually on top. Creating a OD color line in Brazil will not aleviate this problem, nor would it address the problem of colorism, as intra Afrodescent discrimination (wether you cal them Black or not) will still exist. Furthermore, because of the variety of appearances, in one family you will have people who may look more Black or White. So where do you draw this segregatory line if there has never been a policy of segregation? When `Whites` in Brazil have a much higher level of admixture than in the USA. Where do you draw the line for people who choose to Claim Blackness to get the benefits of Affirmative Action type policies? What if the guy looks European but has 20% of his ancestry that is African?

Brazil is not the same as the USA that hasd a history of segregation and antimiscegenation laws well before any Jim Crow and ODR rules were enacted.
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written by Charles, July 31, 2006
My list was not meant to be all encompassing. Of course, I also consider India Irie and Alek Wek beautiful. I personally do not like Naomi Campbell, so I will pass on her. As for the fact that some of these women would not be considered Negras in Brazil, what exactly is your point. Who gives a damn how Brazillians consider Blacks.
Re: Brazil is not the same as the USA
written by Maximus IV, July 31, 2006
It's 100 times worse--Black Brazilians think they're white "so confuuused" only to treated like Brazilian Nigras by the Whites who hold all the power. Elect some Black politicians and get real power over the resources of your country. Short of that--expect to be at the back of the line for future generations!
The imposter above me.
written by Salsassin, August 01, 2006
I agree. Many Brazilians are white-washed. I think that when Brazilians embrace their blackness instead of running away from it they will progress. I would rather call them Black than the dubious term "muleatto." I disagree with Janer. I fully support Paulo Paim, however.
Janer Cristaldo must be kiddin\'
written by J. Berkowitz, August 02, 2006
"With a stroke of a pen, the senator intends to extirpate from the country's history the most evident proof of the good racial conviviality."

Good racial conviviality? I tend to agree with Diogo Mainardi who wrote: "... nossa mestiçagem é resultado de uma limpeza étnica, de um estupro colectivo praticado por senhores de engenho brancos contra escravas negras. Nada do que se orgulhar, portanto." ("...our mestization is the result of an ethnic cleansing, of a collective rape of black female slaves practised by clever white slave-holders. Therefore, it's nothing to be proud of."
5.4 black, lol yeah right
written by John, August 02, 2006
'The project also includes a mandatory course in high school, General History of Africa and of the Black in Brazil, as if Africa's history and that of blacks were more important for Brazil than Greece's History and of the Greeks, or Portugal and the history of the Portuguese, or Italy and the Italians, America and the Americans."


Um Africans history and the History of Black in Brazil is way more important to Brazilians than the History of Greece or their Portuguese oppressers. That quote sounded real racist, it sounded like the writer didn't want anyone to know about Africas lush history. Also Brazil is way more than 5.4 percent Black, it's majority Black and Mulatto
What is racism
written by Aprelle, August 02, 2006
These denial-having white elites will never let the blacks in Brazil have power. They will keep using that 5.4% figure as long as they live, even though the whole world knows this to be untrue, with or without the one-drop rule.

But I have to ask, what is racism, because people here have been throwing the word around loosely.
Black racists go home
written by Heitor, August 05, 2006
Too many responses. To those that really doubt that I actually made contact with a white american and wasn't discriminated, I feel sorry for you. You live in an island of "blackitude", your mind is your ghetto. And the comment about "denouncing to la migra" was really funny. Unfortunately there are many unworthy brazilians giving Brazil a bad name around the world, like living illegally in other countries. In my case it was everything under the law, I went, stayed the time I needed and came back, but I have enough sense of humor to smile with such generalizations though.

The problem here is that black americans assume too much about other countries and cultures, or want people to think so. There are many differences from Brazil to US relating to race, and your mindset just doesn't cut it in here. But even so you seem to want to force a kind of "revolution", which lead me to think that:

- either you are completely clueless;
- or you have agenda to meet behind the nice words of "better life for the opressed people";

The first option is very unlikely, the leaders of such movements are leaders because they are intelligent and know how to use the masses to achieve their goals. It seems more a form of gaining political power by maneuvering alienated young people like pawns, but what for? To protect blacks wherever they are? Oh right, and I believe in Santa Claus too. It seems to be all about power, and a national threat I might say. Foreigners inciting violence and dictating how things must be run, as if the security problems we have just weren't enough.

Your kind of "racial segregated" thinking is exactly what I mean by RACISM. Any non racist person would consider people by what they are and not by what they look like, but you seem to make a big deal of "mixing" as if it were something bad. In the other hand, I believe mixing is the step in the right direction for stopping people from blowing each other up, and that's why we, brazilians, are hundreds of years ahead of you on that matter and achieved more than you ever will in the US.

The thing about "blacks and mulattos unite" is just laughable. I won't share my conquests with a bunch of losers. A club that accepts everyone is not a club good enough to me. There are many unworthy blacks and mulattos around and don't want to be shoulder to shoulder with them! The same way there are many unworthy whites and I don't want to be with them either.

I have seen all kinds of people, dumb whites, dumb blacks, smart of all types, people with questionable ethics standards, and none of those qualities is related to their color.

So, to the histerical one that claims "ethnic cleansing", you should seek professional help, like a shrink. I have seen many white women married to black men, and black women married to white men and all other kinds of mixtures out of free will in here to know you are completely retarded.

And to finalize, the Nazi-like comment about "Africa is more important than Greece". This is the finest example of STUPIDITY, of NARROW MINDEDNESS, OF NAZISM, OF RACISM, OF THE WORST IN HUMANITY I am referring to. It's sad that people reach this state of ignorance not because it was born unprivileged, but because of pure lazyness. Tha makes me want to vomit.

So, african geniuses, the people that developed the study of medicine, philosophy and mathematics is NOT IMPORTANT?????

KNOWLEDGE HAS NO COLOR YOU IDIOT! And you like it or not they influenced greatly all western countries, directly or indirectly.

American blacks, no mulattos feel compelled to join you in your hell. There aren't a "white elite" oppressing anyone, people should call the responsibility of their lives to themselves and do something about it. The thing that rules here is the same as in the US,i.e., money. If you have it then you are fine.

Have a nice day in hell, black americans. And keep that nazism out of my country.
The imposter above me.
written by Heitor, August 05, 2006
"I agree. Many Brazilians are white-washed. I think that when Brazilians embrace their blackness instead of running away from it they will progress. I would rather call them Black than the dubious term "muleatto." I disagree with Janer. I fully support Paulo Paim, however."

You are such a loser. You must hate yourself and want make everyone else to feel like you do. BTW, I am happy not to be black.
Mulatto Racists Shut the f**k Up
written by Lord Invader, August 05, 2006
Your kind of "racial segregated" thinking is exactly what I mean by RACISM. Any non racist person would consider people by what they are and not by what they look like, but you seem to make a big deal of "mixing" as if it were something bad. In the other hand, I believe mixing is the step in the right direction for stopping people from blowing each other up, and that's why we, brazilians, are hundreds of years ahead of you on that matter and achieved more than you ever will in the US.

The thing about "blacks and mulattos unite" is just laughable. I won't share my conquests with a bunch of losers. A club that accepts everyone is not a club good enough to me. There are many unworthy blacks and mulattos around and don't want to be shoulder to shoulder with them! The same way there are many unworthy whites and I don't want to be with them either.


The fact that you would write these lines--and accuse blacks of being racist--really shows what an amazing f**kwad you really are. Truly amazing.

I would be even more amazed if you were a real Brazilian, rather than a dumbf**k white hillbilly troll who posts crap on this board because no parda slut in Rio will suck his dick.
Mulatto Racists Shut the f**k up, part two
written by Lord Invader, August 05, 2006
American blacks, no mulattos feel compelled to join you in your hell. There aren't a "white elite" oppressing anyone, people should call the responsibility of their lives to themselves and do something about it. The thing that rules here is the same as in the US,i.e., money. If you have it then you are fine.

Our hell can't hold a candle to yours. Look at how your happy mulattos live in Brazil. The white elite--which you pretend doesn't exist, and which you are probably one of--doesn't give a f**k about them. You don't understand that the average black American who comes to Brazil can buy your greasy olive-skinned butt several times over. Or maybe you do, and it just pisses you off. AWWWW, poor baby.

Have a nice day in hell, black americans. And keep that nazism out of my country.

Our hell is heaven compared to that s**t down there you live in. What's Harlem--compared to a BRAZILIAN FAVELA!?!?!?!!!?!?!?!??!!!?!?!??!?!?!?!?!!?!???????????????
Long debate about race in Brazil
written by Brazuca, August 05, 2006
Hey, guys, check out this long and extensive debate undertaken on this site's forum in 2003 where yours truly argued that darker-skinned Brazilians were generally poorer than lighter-skinned ones not due to discrimination but due to cultural reasons. I'm the guy who posted as Brazuca:

http://www.brazzilbrief.com/viewtopic.php?t=22&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=0&sid=477a21a58ff140be0a565a653951be51
Heitor is an white brazilian supremist!!
written by Dr.T, August 05, 2006
Liston here Mr kkk if you love your country so damn much than "Why" are you living here in the usa? :smilies/smiley.gif Yes there is racism in Brazil I know this because my friend have visited Brazil A few times before and talk to some of the Brazilian Blacks down there as well as articles I read posted by black Brazilians. You seem to "hate" Blacks in amerika why? keep in mind mr.kkk man about the contributions Black Amerikans made in this country-music,entertainment,education,military,inventions in science,medicine and engineering and so forth.Just google this info on the web and you will "See"!! smilies/cool.gif Reading your post mr.kkk man you sound like an damn "nazi" yourself!! smilies/angry.gif
Qui bom Brazu
written by Abriu, August 05, 2006
I'm black and I completely agree with you Brazuca. There is no doubt in my mind that blacks via Afro-Diasporan culture, not race, and Hispanics are more Dionysian and whites and Asians more Apollonian. That culture is the reason the world is the way it is, and everything else is just a bunch of excuses. We're supposed to believe that an upper middle class kid in ritzy Shaker Heights does poorly on the SATs because of the prison system? The level of excuse-making in black America today is beyond absurd. Americans are expected to believe that upper middle class Ivy League black kids have the lowest GPA of any other group because they're oppressed? They couldn't be more priveleged! Besides, then it would follow that Asians and Jews are not oppressed groups.
How pathetic that an impostor needs to state claims using my screename
written by Salsassin, August 06, 2006
Heitor. The guy who pretends to be me is a pathetic fool. I am mixed and not a one dropist like this fool. Nor do I support Paulo Paim and his foolish one droppism.
http://backintyme.com/ODR/

My posts speak for themselves.
Thomas Sowell
written by Brazuca, August 06, 2006
Thanks, Abriu. Hey, a guy you may enjoy reading immensely is Thomas Sowell. In that forum, I post an exerpt of his on the fourth page -- interesting reading.
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written by Abriu, August 06, 2006
Yeah I do enjoy Thomas Sowell thoroughly.
So...Brazucass Returns
written by adrianerik, August 06, 2006
Hey Brazucass...still spreading your Neo-Conservataive version of the Brazilian Chronicles (and African-American Chronicles) despite the gross contradictions thrown in your face then...and, if necessary, now.
But not to drag others into your nonsense...back to Cristaldo. He follows the American conservative mold with the careless tossing of labels (Nazi, apartheid) without any sense of the systems that these words represent. He is quite laughable, for a supposed intellectual. Particularly of the Sorbonne. I would be ashamed to write such a rambling article such as this and then link my educational credentials to the Sorbonne.First of all, he and Brazilians should take a good look to the "Aryan Supremacy' movement by the Nazis in the 20's and its resemblance to the 'white supremacy' existing in Brazil at the present time. White Supremacy and its attendant bastard children (Moreno supremacy, pardo supremacy, not-too-black supremacy, et al). One should carefully look at how the Nazis, through their clever propaganda, propagated the images of Aryan Supremacy, blonde hair and blue eyes throughout the German society and the effect of this supremacy on those non 'aryans' as they appropriated these images into their communities and turned on each other. When the raids began on nightclubs and stores it was often done with the tacit approval of the 'accepted' members of the excluded communities who wanted to rid themselves of those 'animals' of their communities who were acting so 'un-German'.
In Brazil, one should ask themselves what is meant by a 'policy' of miscegenation. People repeat it all of the time, but what does it mean. Really, isn't all that is necessary for a society to push interaction among it people is to accept the humanity of every member of society. This is not the same as setting standards of White Supremacy in a society and, like the Australians, determining, FROM THE BASIS OF WHITE SUPREMACY, who is most human (ie...closer to the standards of whiteness). And what of those who are not close to those 'beloved standards'? Hopefully, a quiet fading away by any means necessary.
One does not need the presence of whites to have white supremacy predominate in a society (the oppression of the darker black people by the lighter black people in the Caribbean is proof to this, particularly in the French Caribbean, documented in the book Black Skin, White Masks).
In essentially all of these posts I have seen what I generally hear from many Brazilians here...opposition to ANY solution, a general apathy towards the presentation of solutions, and, in some cases, the DENIAL of a problem. This was set forth in a research done in Folha do São Paulo several years ago, where only ten percent of Braziians considered themselves racist but when polled about their beliefs about their fellow Brazilians of other hues, almost 80 to 90 percent held strongly racist beliefs. This was not an American or African-American research but a Brazilian research. In another study published in the O Globo, about 4 years ago, it showed that Black AND PARDO Brazilians having the same qualifications and education earned far less than white Brazilians and the supposed 'colorless' rise through the corporate world stopped at the point of having Black AND PARDO Brazilians in managerial positions. I have a reference for the research for anyone interested.
Whether quotas are the (or 'a') solution in Brazil is polemical, but there is a deeper issue affecting Brazilian society besides quotas.
What is Racism?
written by adrianerik, August 06, 2006
This was a very good question because, from my experience, there has been a a revionist movement to separate racism from its oppressive elements and, in so doing, label everyone who uses color in any sense, a racist. W.E.B. DuBois, years ago, separated the terms RACIALism and RACEism. The first is what many scientists and academics now call racism...the belief that behaviour in human beings is due to race. Dubois calls this RACIALism. Taking this belief AND believing that you race is superior to and constructing systems of society (economics, religion, history, politics, etc) is what DuBois calls RACISM. Throughout the liberation movements where countries freed themselves from European colonialism and throughout the African-American civil rights and black consciousness movement, this has been the operative definition of racism.
Using race preferences to remedy a racist caused situation was not racist because there was no intent to impose a society that was better than another person. The purpose of quotas is not because blacks feel that they are superior to whites...which has ALWAYS been the operative norm and defintion or racism. Current attempts by Cristaldo, the negro conservatives and others purposefully (or ignorantly) try to cloud the terms and thus link correctives systems of race to oppressive systems of race. They are two completley different animals.
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written by Abriu (Aprelle), August 06, 2006
I was the one who asked what racism is. I'm glad that a voice of reason clarified, because black people embarass me continually by not having a grasp on the definition of the term. I had one say it was "stereotyping people". I had another say "when the media has stereotypical images of blacks". As usual I was disgusted. Liberals, especially black ones change the definition of racism to whatever they want so it can be a crutch for every failure. Typically, black Americans seriously expect people to believe that they live with racism everyday. In the year 2006. I'm black and I have only been subjected to racism only three or four times in my life, none of which had any effect on me. Well either these blacks all live in the wrong side of the country or they need a reality check. Racism isn't someone not liking you, nor is it SYSTEMATIC FAILURE. Now they're trying to get black Brazilians into the business of excusemaking, so they can make demands for quotas because ultimately they are completely helpless without white mercy. Saying it's all racism is just a way of making themselves feel better about this sad fact of life.

I don't know if Brazu is a neo-con or not but I know, as an urban black person would say "dat nigga ain't NEVA LIED." (I'm black by the way). Obviously it's the culture. Many black people in America has fortunately woken up to this fact. Black culture is the same everywhere and it's Dionysian. White culture is the same everywhere and it's Apollonian. Not all blacks are Dionysian or whites Apollonian, just their CULTURES. That is not even REMOTELY racist. Black Americans incidentally are more Apollonian than are white Brazilians. But they're not as Apollonian as white Americans. Black culture's specialty is music. Anyone with any grip on reality can see this. Brazilian culture is a black production. In fact worldwide American culture is defined by the small black American minority. Blacks dominate in music because that's what the culture values. But economic and technological advancement is a white production. Racism is just a coincidence and has nothing to do with success or failure. If black culture succeeded in other areas besides the arts, sports, and religion, you or if they just said "who gives a f**k" and were proud of being Dionysian, whether the white world sees that as failure or not, then you wouldn't hear anything about racism.
Good Character
written by Brazuca, August 07, 2006
Bloody well said, Abriu! I can testify to this Dionysian-Apollonian dichotomy with reference to my people back in Africa.

Because my particular people, the Banyarwanda (specifically Tutsi) are more Apollonian than the other Africans around them, they are generally more successful. My mother's family and relatives arrived in Uganda from Rwanda destitute as refugees in 1959, and in short order had risen to the highest and most prestigious positions in Ugandan public life to a disproportionate degree. Most of these people have now returned to Rwanda.

And guess what? Rwanda is essentially set to become the first African success story. By the year 2020, its ambitious goal to become a middle-income country is sure to be realised as a result of the cultural capital of the population. For example, there is little crime and corruption in Uganda, in contrast to the surrounding countries. The Rwandan Army, to offer another example, is nowadays recognised as being one of the most capable in Africa, earning its redoubtable rep**ation largely as a result of its discipline and efficiency -- again, in direct contrast to many African armies. (The Rwandan Army was largely responsible for toppling Zairien dictator Mobutu Sese Seko's regime in a matter of months, rapidly advancing through a country the size of Western Europe that simply dwarfed tiny Rwanda.)

Such achievements and capabilities are the result of our culture. Rwandans (particularly the Tutsi) look down on the gregarious, spontaneous behavioural characteristics of many Africans, preferring instead to place a premium on dignity, self-control, pride, character, reserve, etc. And the results are there for the world to see; and will only become more pronounced with time for those who have not yet seen.

God bless Good Character.
Re Abriu
written by Maximus IV, August 07, 2006
Your Appolonian and Dionysian characterizations sound very educated indeed. However 6,000 years of recorded history shreds your theory into dust. The main reason why the world is the way it is today is because people from one village made weapons and raided the village of their neighbors. Why? Why not! Because they could! Maybe they were bored. Maybe they they were voyeristic, sent spies to peer on their neighbors, and decided that "since their neighbors couldn't possibly be better than them, we must gather our weapons go in and annhilate them! Take these things that were produced by these savages and convert them to our use. Yes! This is the way to true enlightenment! Taking from others!

So you see--White or Asian--Black or Brown, respect or disrespect for the boundaries of others are responsible for all of the conflicts in the 6,000 recorded years of Mans history.
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written by Abriu (Aprelle), August 07, 2006
Are you black? Also are you conservative? Just wondering.

The liberal explanation for Tutsi success in Rwanda is that when Europeans went in to Rwanda, they measured Hutu and Tutsi noses, proclaimed Tutsi to be noble blooded because they looked more Caucasian, and gave them all the resources, also putting a disproportionate amount of them in the army. But this doesn't explain their success when they migrated to Uganda, so you're right.

Like you I also happen to like both Apollonian and Dionysian. They both have their strengths. Dionysian is fun but disorganized. Apollonian is organized but dull. That's why I agree that Brazil is O Melhor Pais No Mundo tambem because they have been able to bring whites into the Dionysian culture, which is very exciting. The only problem now is that blacks haven't stepped into the Apollonian world enough. I believe with you that they have little racism there, although there are some cases, but not enough to explain the disparities.

Meanwhile I wonder why, if racism is as bad as black Americans make it out to be, they would insist on staying somewhere where A) they have been unable to become part of the American fabric, as three waves of immigrants coming in 200 years later have been able to B) where they feel that eve