Brazzil

Indeed! Nothing else to say!

The voice of reason. Good read, and in MHO, ought to be read by those who blindly believe that the US is always right, and that the US could get away with a murder. More articles like this should help people see the ignorance and the outright disrespect for other nations by the U$.

1) if it is fair to seize the passports of the US pilots, it should be just as fair to seize the Brazilian ATC passports....as no one knows yet for sure who commited an error. And accusing one side, defending the other (guess what side) is INJUSTICE.
2) The reporter doesnt seem to be aware that the Brazilian investigators (not foreigners) have a different view than the reporters, if David Lerer, would read both the Brazilian and Foreign News.
3) It is quite funny that the reporter accuses the US as arrogant, when from day one, it was ALL the Brazilian press and ALL the Brazilians government who accused openly the US pilots.......before the end of the investigations. If that is NOT INJUSTICE what is it.
4) Below is an article excerpt from a Brazilian reporter (not foreigner) in Sao Paulo, showing that the Brazilians ATC and (IN)justice have rather a strange attitude. Of course the same excuse would have not been accepted if the US pilots did the same.Guess why !

"Oct. 30 -- Ten Brazilian air traffic controllers scheduled to testify this week about the crash of a Boeing 737 in the Sept. 29 Amazon crash that killed 154 people, said they were sick and would be unavailable to investigators.

The air controllers, all based in Brasilia, sent statements to the federal police saying they were ill and would be unable to testify, said a federal police spokesman in Sao Paulo."

Funny...isnt it ? Did they all get a diarrhea......at the same time ????????

Brazil is really nothing else than a Tropical mud and a Tropical mess !
To avoid problems, avoid the country of Brazil and Brazilians themselves ! And those illegally in the USA or the EU should all be sent back to their country ! By the way....why did they leave ? Because they all agreed that Brazil is a s**tty country !!!!!!!!

David,
As a former House representative in Brazil, how much did you cash in illegally through corruptions and in how many corruptions cases have you been involved officially and unofficially ? David how much is worth your undeclared condo in the USA ?
As you know it is due to people like you, the Brazilian politicians, that your country is such a mess and has so much poverty.
You stole everything for yourself and your peers, leaving the residues (not much) to the majority of the population.
You probably find quite normal to export US$ 50 billion annually of agricultural products, instead of feeding FIRST your tens of millions of under nourrished citizens and the millions in hunger ! Greaaaatttt........truly greaaat !

Shame to you David ! You should go to jail for having stolen so much money. And nooooooo doubt that as a doctor your clients were ONLY the minority elite of wealthy Brazilians and not the poors !

Reading this guy above should be prohibited by the the education ministery

Great article, David, real nice. straightforward and clarifying.

They went right running ask mommy Condi to help out...

It will be a greater tragedy if innocent people are sent to prison, while those reasponsible remain free. It's easy to pull on people's heart strings in order to get them to take your side, but do you think Brasil is the only country to have tragedy. If i remeber right 5 years ago 4 planes crashed on the same day in the United States and we couldn't bring the ones who did it to justice. But there was one guy who didn't have the stomach to pull it off, but was in all the planning. This man's trial went on for years just so the US could be comfortable with dealing out fair justice. My point is that the vast majority of Americans would agree that if these pilots were reasponsible for that crash they should be met by the entire wait of the Brasilian justice system. Yet, it is a possibility that it wasn't their error. This is why judgement should be held until a full investigation is completed. As far as how much money they are spending on there defense, well that's a fact of life that happens in every country, especially in the US. What we've noticed in the US is that most of the time it doesn't matter how much money you have, if you are guilty you go to jail. I'm sure that the pilots would probably try and buy there way out of this mess, anybody would. I'm also sure that the second thing there trying to buy is a fair trial, which is understandable. It wouldn't be the first time that a foriegner was railroaded by a kangaroo court. As far as being undressed at the airport he can be mad all he wants, but he's not the only one getting undressed. Every fifth person does because it's not legal in the US to only make young middle eastern men go through it, that would be racial profiling, so everyone goes through it. And the comment about Gautanamo Bay was ridiculous you Brasileiros watch way to much CNN international and there misrepresentations are starting to lay roost in your brains.

Red peppers in others people's asses, is refreshment for someone else!
I'm thinking that all House of representatives in any country are a bunch of ass.....!

"David Lerer is a doctor and a former House representative in Brazil"

He should stick to doctoring! I imagine being that he is a FORMER House representative in Brazil, must mean he is just a doctor. Doctor of what one
wonders??
It is wonderful he stated his opinion, but it had no substance at all?? What was the point of the article?
I could have easily been titled "Brazil's Worst Air Accident Ever Reveals How Arrogant some Brazilians can Be "

For you lovers of the Brazilian ATC system, just have a read in the news of the current Air Traffic problems in Brazil, take a trip to the Airport and stand in line.

This is just more of the rhetorical diatribe that losers use to justify their impotent, lack of self esteem, inferiority complex and to shift the blame from their own corruption to the attention of a mythical adversary.

The U.S. is not Brazil's enemy, Brazil is their own enemy.

A decent education Brazilian can stand face to face with an American or anyone of any nationality with pride and negotiate competent business or international affairs. As for the rest they are intimidated neurotic losers, like Chavez who wait in line in hopes of somehow belittling the BIG GOLIATH.

Sorry but Embraer produced 155 planes in 2004, 145 in 2005, and recently reduced their 2006 production estimates from 145 to 135 !!!!
That is not selling as cakes do....in my view !
Just check Embraer site, by yourself, to double check what I am saying !

Furthermore, sorry that reporters such as Lerer are so stupid and totally ignorants, because if they think for 1 minute only, the would find out that the vast majority of Gol planes are not Embraer, but Boeings plane !
I can only suppose that Gol management knows why they have chosen a foreign made and not a Brazilian plane !

Finally, you could be proud as you were that Embraer recently got a US$ 1 billion (plus the eventual options) order from Northwest Airlines. Your ego made that this news was on every single Brazilian and foreign newspapers ! But you have hidden the fact, on purpose of course, that Northwest Airlines is operating under Chapter 11 of the US BANKRUPTCY LAW and that by definition their financial status is more than quite precarious !!!!!

No doubt that Varig, your own airline is willing to to give such an order too ! Laugh !

Simple demonstration, that Brazilians reporters are either stupids, or ignorants or cheaters by hiding important facts in their articles ! In my view they are both !

What are your qualifications? Enjoyment of ranting? stop exploiting a tragedy so you can act superior. It is a tragedy for everyone. What we need is changes in air traffic control and other regulations and policies so this never happens again -- worldwide. Not arrogant ranting and blaming. There is plenty of blame to go around to Brazilians as well as Americans. So take a deep breath, pull the stick out that's implanted in your butt and get over it.

OH, let´s all weep. The olny reason this monkey cares about those on the flight is becasue Americans were involved in the accident. The only reason these apes cared about Jean Mendez was that he was killed by British Authorities.

But where are the crockodile tears FOR THESE PEOPLE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Brazil murder rate similar to war zone

1.00pm Tuesday September 26, 2006

BRASILIA, Brazil - More than 150 Brazilians were murdered each day last year on average, putting Brazil on a par with some war zones in terms of its homicide rate, the Justice Ministry said today.

Some 55,000 Brazilians died of homicide in 2005 - a few thousand more civilians than in three years of war in Iraq, according to leading estimates.

Brazil, a continent-sized nation of 185 million people starkly divided into rich and poor, has had notoriously high crime rates for years. Millions of poor live in urban slums and unpoliced rural areas where guns are easy to come by.

Though the murder rate is high, Marcelo Durante, co-ordinator of the Justice Ministry's report, said homicides have fallen slowly in recent years thanks in part to an initiative to collect guns from the streets.

Citizens have voluntarily turned in thousands of weapons in places like Rio de Janeiro, the famous beachside city whose urban slums have some of the highest crime rates in Brazil.

A referendum in 2005 to ban gun sales failed, in part because some voters had lost faith in police.

"It was the states that collected the most guns that saw crime rates fall most," said Durante, "but we have to remember it's not just about guns."

Other kinds of violent crime in Brazil are far more common than statistics show, Durante said, adding that urban surveys suggest only a quarter of all robberies and 15 per cent of all rapes are reported nationwide.

"At least with homicide, we can be a little more confident most of the crimes are getting reported," he said.

Murders also declined in Brazil's largest city of Sao Paulo in recent years, Durante said. Earlier this year, however, a gang known as First Command of the Capital launched a series of attacks on police, banks and buses in which about 200 police, gangsters and innocent civilians were killed.

- REUTERS

Wow prof, I´ve got a whole new respect for you...

hey ex pat

Why haven't you thrown your two cents in???

Hangover perhaps??

-- Why haven't you thrown your two cents in???

No need to, I think you summed up the article quite nicely. I´d only be echoing your sentiments.

-- Hangover perhaps??

Just old age.

No, the article is not the one that's clueless, THE CLUELESS PEOPLE IS THE HORDE OF DISINFORMED IDIOTS POSTING ABSURDITIES IN THIS FORUM.

"You probably find quite normal to export US$ 50 billion annually of agricultural products, instead of feeding FIRST your tens of millions of under nourrished citizens and the millions in hunger ! Greaaaatttt........truly greaaat !"

WTF!? The US have millions of poors too, so they should halt anything else they do in order to fix it!?

"For you lovers of the Brazilian ATC system, just have a read in the news of the current Air Traffic problems in Brazil, take a trip to the Airport and stand in line. "

Really? What does it have to do with the kind of lies the US journalist was spreading around.

"This is why judgement should be held until a full investigation is completed."

We have seen a lot of crap flying all over coming from the american press and you tell us that WE SHOULD WAIT THE DUE PROCEDURES!? Well, what about you start doing what you are saying? That would be a good start.

"No doubt that Varig, your own airline is willing to to give such an order too ! Laugh !"

Varig is not the only airline a*****e. I bet you can't point in a map where Brazil is at all.

"Brazil murder rate similar to war zone "

I guess that makes americans and british to commit murder and get away with it acceptable, doesn't it?

The facts:

The american pilots screwed up and justice must be made, you like it or not. If that reporter weren't so loud mouthed, spreading lies about Brazil to the four winds the population wouldn't even care about it, more people die in car accidents than in plane accidents. BUT NOW PEOPLE WANT BLOOD! The press won't leave this case until someone is crucified for it. THANKS, GRINGOS! YOU SCREWED UP ONCE AGAIN!

As we can read above, a stupid Brazilian wrote an stupid article and several American citizens reacted as stupid cowboys, revealing their prejudice against the entire Brazilian population.

Reality is: (1) the accident was caused by a sequence of small mistakes, part of them incurred by Brazilian air traffic controls, part of them by the American pilots. (2) The American pilots are not in jail. They are free to go everywhere, doing everything they want. They are not allowed to leave the country because they are the only survivors who can help clarify the causes of such accident. This is the same procedure the American Justice apply to any possible offender before his/her guilt is proved (or not) (3) The Brazilian press was clearly partial in this case, judging the Americans based on weak evidences and preliminary conclusions. Today the press has been forced by facts to accept that the air traffic controllers had an important role in this tragedy (4) Embraer is a major player in the aircraft manufacturing industry and it´s growing. Production is not smaller today than in the past. Embraer is shifting from small size plane manufacturer to large size plane manufacturer. And takes longer to craft a 100 seat airplane than a 29 seat one. (5) Corruption is widespread among politicians. It is a cancer in our society. (6) "Statistics" broadcasted worldwide about poverty in Brazil are largely false and not supported by serious demographic research. Those who have no income from jobs get a cash from the government to buy food. People die from diseases, urban violence, car crashes but not from lack of food.(7) American imperialism is an old fashion leftist expression that the current leftist government love to apply to everything ( Brazilian companies by airplanes from Boeing. American companies buy airplanes from Embraer. We all live in the same world

Just to show that the arrogants are the Brazilians, because they of course would not have accepted the same excuse from the US pilots, than the excuse of the Brazilians ATC provided.
Funny that all have the same "illness"....at the same time...and no one can testify until the same date of November 13 ?

Here it is :
"RIO DE JANEIRO, Brazil (AP) -- Ten flight controllers have said they are under psychiatric treatment and declined to be questioned by federal police about a September 29 midair collision that killed 154 people in Brazil's worst air disaster, the government news service reported Tuesday.

A Boeing 737-800 of Gol Linhas Aereas Inteligentes SA, Brazil's No. 2 airline, collided with a Brazilian-made Legacy 600 executive jet over the Amazon jungle of Mato Grosso state. All 154 people aboard the Boeing were killed, while the Legacy landed safely at a nearby air force base.

Federal police inspector Renato Sayao had planned to question the flight controllers, who were assigned to airports in Manaus, in the western Amazon jungle, and Brasilia, the central capital, but the Brazilian Air Force said they were flight controllers were under psychiatric treatment until November 13, Agencia Brasil reported.

The flight data recorders of both planes were analyzed in Canada but the cause of the collision has not yet been announced."

No doubt that this is a cover up excuse and manipulation to hide the truth !
And again if this is not a Brazilian manipulation.....what is it ?????? Please answer.....!!!!!

Brazilians are really crazy to believe than anyone will trust the ATC more than strange excuse !

What a joke......what a joke...these Brazilians !

and to Bryan....sorry the basher one more time was the Brazilian reporter called David Lerer... ! I just responded to his sarcastic accusations !

Because as you can see, NO ONE YET KNOWS, WHO commted an error ......CONTRARY TO ALL BRAZILIANS ACCUSATIONS AND CONCLUSIONS !
But what everyone can realize that the "apparent" illness EXCUSE of the Brazilians ATC, would have obviously not been accepted if the US pilots WOULD HAVE GOTTEN THE SAME ILLNESS !!!!
Strange...isnt it ?


And to A Brazilian....sorry for you but NO U.S. citizen is under nourrished or in hunger. And NO U.S. family of 4 or 6 earns US$ 100.- or less per month contrary to the 11 millions of Brazilians families getting the Bolsa Familia !!!!!!
Why dont you ask to these 11 millions families where they would prefer to reside...in Brazil or the USA ?????
Why do you have 2 or 3 millions illegal residents in the USA alone and not 2 or 3 millions of illegal U.S. citizens in Brazil ?????
Same question for Europe !
Even a "poor" American or European has 1 or 2 cars, but that is not the case in Brazil !

Why dont you put Bill Gates in a Brazilian stadium with 45'000 football fans ? Statistically they are all millionaires in US$....on average, but effectively there is only 1 !!!!!!!!!!!!! No difference in Brazilian society !!!!!
That is why that despite your relatively high GDP per capita for a developing country, Brazil as an entity is classified as low middle class society, but also that Brazil has the World Highest Poverty Rate.....when compared to their GDP per capita.

Yesssss a real human tragedy !

Hey "A Brazilian" you and David Lerer have a lot in common are you one and the same or lovers?

Really you are the one who makes no sense!

Does America intimidate you? Do Americans intimidate you? I live in São Paulo myself so I can at least say something about Brazilians, have you been scorned by the BIG USofA? Did they strip search you at the Airport?
What is that is so bad that that they could have done to you? I really do not think you know s**t from Shinola!

Prove me wrong that you are not an idiot, tell me who abused you?

there is no hunger and even starvation in Brazil ????
Why dont you read the article that appeared a few days ago.....on this same site....when a when a Brazilian mother of 4 children committed suicide ?
Here is excerpt of the article :
"Suicide and malnutrition are common amongst many Guarani communities, where hundreds of people are squeezed on to tiny plots of land and are no longer able to feed themselves by hunting, fishing and growing crops.

In the last two decades over 300 Guarani Indians, approximately 1% of the Guarani population in Brazil, have killed themselves. In 2005 dozens of Guarani children died of starvation."

AND WHY DONT YOU READ THE MAY 18 ARTICLE ON THIS SITE, SAYING :

" This assessment was made Thursday, May 18, by the president of the Brazilian National Council on Food and Nutritional Security (CONSEA), Chico Menezes, in comments on an unprecedented study of this topic by the Brazilian Institute of Geography and Statistics (IBGE).

According to the IBGE study, which was released yesterday, May 17, approximately 14 million people experience hunger in Brazil. 40% of the population or 72 million Brazilians have not enough food to eat."



YESSSSSS YOUR ACT LIKE CRIMINALS BY EXPORTING US$ 50 billions in agriculture annually, instead of feeding your tens of millions citizens under nourrished or in hunger !
Please name, if you know one, another major agricultural exporter, doing the same as Brazil does !!!!

A true shame your answer of mixing poverty between the USA and Brazil !
I could answer you that even the 20 % lowest income citizens in MONACO are statisically poor...by definition.
It remains that none of them are poors in the true sense of the word ....but they are ALL VERY wealthy when compared even with the Brazilian Middle Class !
The average price of an appartment there is "only" US$ 50'000.- (Reais 110'000.-) PER SQUARE METER !!!!!
You read well...hopefully, there is no typing error !

"And to A Brazilian....sorry for you but NO U.S. citizen is under nourrished or in hunger"

I think you should check your facts again. There are poor people in the US, even if they have no voice and they aren't shown in the movies.

"Why dont you ask to these 11 millions families where they would prefer to reside...in Brazil or the USA ????? "

They would reside wherever they will have food.

Ask the millions of people that migrated there, DO YOU LIKE CLEANING TOILETS? Hahaha. Yes, because that's an immigrant job, the luxurious toilet cleaner, house maid or fast food careers.

"Why do you have 2 or 3 millions illegal residents in the USA alone and not 2 or 3 millions of illegal U.S. citizens in Brazil ????? "

Because there's a network of human trafficking that's convenientely ignored by the US authorities because quasi-slaves are good for the american businesses. The same for Europe. JUST ASK YOURSELF, "WHO BENEFITS FROM IT?" AND YOU WILL HAVE THE ANSWER.

THINK FOR A SECOND!! DO YOU REALLY THINK A STARVING PERSON FROM WHEREVER REALLY HAS $10,000 TO PAY FOR SUCH AN ADVENTURE?

They offer a paid trip to somewhere, saying something like a "job as waitress" and the person will pay them back when she gets the money working. Then she is forced into prostution, enslaved or killed. Sometimes forced to work under inhuman conditions, that the BEAUTIFUL IMMIGRANT REALITY.

In the best of the cases the person just ends up cleaning toilets while sending the money back to their families in wherever they came from, wow, they made America! Hahahahha Those immigrants don't even learn English, that's to show how they care if it's the US or not.

"Even a "poor" American or European has 1 or 2 cars, but that is not the case in Brazil "

Even a poor can have a car in here, it just depends of what you call a car. A 40 year old piece of junk is not expensive at all.

"Yesssss a real human tragedy ! "

The only real tragedy is how dumb asses like yourself get those numbers and publicize them to support a flawed point. So you googled for it, right? Wow, she knows how to use the computer!

WTF, what the number of millionaires have to do with anything!?

Now, take your head from your ass, that will make everything clearer for you.

"In the painful September air tragedy, the only one with some chance of success is the Legacy, manufactured in São José dos Campos, in the interior of São Paulo. It is going to sell like crazy.

After all, if a little plane like that can bring down a Boeing while only damaging its wing's tip and a small section of its tail, it's because it's very good."

This a*****e is a doctor? Please. Must have lost his license to practice because he really sounds like a completely sick a*****e. Nice PR move to praise the Legacy jet you sick piece of s**t. You have a nice vacation to some tropical waiting for you no doubt. Your message sucked but just so you know - YOU ARE ONE SORRY f**kING WRITER regardless of the message. Please go back to killing patients and taking bribes and spare the readers . .

I thought I was the only one who read and understood what he said!
Congratulations, I think the DOC is as you said, a sick peice of s**t!

More Brazilian mentality..

Everyone should slow down a little on this very sad accident.
The facts will come out, it may take a long time, but they will come out as the Brazilian newspapers are very good.
Just today in Brazil all air traffic has been brought to an almost stand still...
Why? the air traffice controllers have started a "strike" to demonstrate their overload - and maybe to prepare the country for their mistake due to their overload....
It is very strange that all ten controllers due to testify called in sick...also that they have not made public their voice recordings with both flights.
Over a month ago this accident happened and these radio recordings have not been made public yet.
I hope that these radio recordings do not become lost or deleted........

The dictionary defines “arrogance” as the feeling of superiority manifested in an overbearing manner or presumptuous claims.

The very adjective “American” as defined by US citizens relates to the U.S.A and its territories, they simply took ownership of that word as if Central and South America didn’t exist.

Will The Real Americans Please Stand Up? No presumptuous “Americans” Please!

Peace

America is the only nation in history which has miraculously gone directly from barbarism to degeneration without the usual interval of civilization.

your arrogance maybe long but your blood is limited

America, the perfect example of why the rest of the world laughs at you (just copy this into your browser):

http://www.transbuddha.com/mediaHolder.php?id=940

hehehe, the land of Bush!

Nicely said Fabio,

Funnily enough, what annoyed me most about the original article was the bit about depressurisation and lack of oxygen. Not really sure that that would have happened, as with the aircraft's descent the oxygen levels would have been steadily rising after a possible inital fall (if the fuselage was ruptured at all).

Anyway - does this have to get so personal? I'm not sure why there are comments about the Brits here, they've got nothing to do with it. I don't think the US pilots should be allowed to leave until the case is cleared up. I don''t think their detention in Brazil is any worse than the Patriot Act is it? I also live in São Paulo and am aware of the many problems in Brazil, (Professor - if you're a Yankee living in SP and have so much to complain about - why not go home?) but I have also lived in the US and it has certainly got plenty that the rest of the world can complain about. A tendency for going to war unilaterally; a disregard for the global effects of its enormous emissions (do they really believe there's no evidence for global warming?) - just look how much everyone complains when fuel prices go up, even though they're still so much less than elsewhere; a population that is generally ignorant about the outside world (you're lucky to get news from beyond your state, let alone another country, and even then it's only in the cases in which the US has a vested interest; hey - they elected Bush for a second term, and this time he won democratically. That's a crime in itself and reflets a worrying neo-conservatism post 9/11. I think Chavez is an idiot, but it's good that someone stands up the to US - I had a chuckle to myself when he sold oil to the US last year. Maybe Brazil will be doing that sometime given that they are self sufficient in oil and are pushing alcohol and natural-gas-based vehicles, wheras the US for some reason doesn't seem to be.

OK that's my 2p worth.

This article is poorly written, but inadvertantly points out one of the main issues being discussed in the English language professional airline pilots´blogs: how did a commuter airplane´s winglet bring down a 737? No one can explain it. Some have suggested that more emphasis should be placed on training pilots in unusual attitudes, i.e., an intro to aerobatics and more emphasis on spin recovery. This accident is a conundrum.

As a part of the Brazilian aviation community, with pilot and mechanic certificates both in the US and Brazil, and thousands of hours, let me add that aviation professionals themselves do not usually get drawn into country versus country discussions, but tend to view the aviation community as a unit, as contrasted with the non-flying public. In Egypt it was the government that continued to deny that an airliner copilot purposely brought down a flight in order to commit sucide. An Egyptian aviation expert told the truth and has not been heard from since. The truth did not fit in to their concept of national honor.But aviation professionals want the truth so they can learn from the mistakes of others.

So much baloney has been published regarding transponders. Radar has been around since the 1940´s. Radar can identify the location of an aircraft (or a weather balloon) whether the object has a transponder or not. In the past few years another function was added to radar stations, which added the basic transponder, allowing the controller to assign a four digit code to the aircraft for futher ID purposes. Now they can see you AND know who you are. Mode C adds another function, an altitude readout. But the radar station can still see (paint) a plane with no transponder. And yet you have people writing for major media who evidently have the idea that if a plane has no transponder turned on, the controllers can´t see him . Wrong. But so sure of themselves.

Professor - if you're a Yankee living in SP and have so much to complain about - why not go home?

This is my home GRM.

Why you here GRM, you f**kin BLOKES run out of Brazilians to assassinate?
You go back home ya pompus wankin twat!

Sorry GRM here is the U I left out of the word pompous..

One more thing..

I also live in São Paulo and am aware of the many problems in Brazil

You are aware?? Are ya fucin sure lad??
You are brilliant!
LOL

TO WHOEVER THE HELL REALITY IS...

U CAN TALK ABOUT THE COUNTRY AS MUCH AS YOU WANT TO. IM SURE YOU'VE TRIED TO GO TO BRAZIL AND GOT DENIED. OR YOU WENT AND GOT ROBBED. I MEAN, YEAH BRAZIL HAS ITS PROBLEMS. BUT SO DOES THE USA... OR EUA AS US BRAZILIANS CALL IT. BRAZILIANS HAVE TII MUCH RESPECT FOR THE U.S. A LOT OF BRAZILIANS DO. AND THIS COUNTRY WAS MADE OF THIEVES AND f**k-UPS LOOK AT BUSH. LOOK AT HIS DAD. LOOK BACK IN HISTORY. SO IM NOT SUPRISED THAT ONE OF YOUR COMPANIES IS TRYING TO f**k OVER A FEW BRAZILIANS. YOU KNOW. AND ALSO, WHEN YOU'RE DOWN IN LOS ANGELES AND YOU WANT TO TAKE THIS OUT FACE TO FACE. WE CAN DO THIS THE BRAZILIAN WAY OR THE AMERICAN WAY WHICH BOTH INVOLVE A FIGHT. I RESPECT AMERICANS FOR WHAT THEY'VE MADE OF THE COUNTRY BUT s**t. YOU GUYS ARE SUPER CORRUPT. JUST LIKE BRAZIL. SO f**k YOU AND YOUR AIRLINE.

indeed, this article is poorly written. Lerer is sounding off on the same nationalistic bulls**t that got the U.S. into Iraq. Let's hope Brazil doesn't invade Paraguay... oops, I forgot. They're friends going back to the Operation Condor days (Alfredo Stroessner? hello?)... not even Lula can clean up that mess. Back to the story at hand, there was a plane crash here. And every day that passes is another day that the families of the victims will not know what happened. And like every other plane crash that occurs, if officials, pilots and the airlines don't learn why the accidents happen, they can't prevent the same mistakes from happening again. If Brazilian officials are holding the air traffic controllers for 'psychiatric evaluation' then something is very very wrong with the oversight of the Brazilian airline industry. All parties involved need to get to the bottom of this mess, no matter what country they may be from.

i was quite taken back by your article criticizing the usa after the plane crash and then in your stern manner detailing how in america if two brazilian pilots were flying the smaller aircraft they would be taken to guantanamo and imprisoned and then how your brazilian friend in america was strip searched from head to toe...my oh my what a beautiful accurate and sincere expose you just wrote of america....please tell me, what is wrong with your mentality and intelligence and common sense and decency? to begin with any air crash takes much detailed time and expert evidence of all pertinent facts before it can be determined who or what was at fault, and in this case we just don't know and may not know for a very long time exactly what took place and to lay blame on any party whether it be the gol pilots, the people at the airport control towers or the pilots from america on the smaller jet or a malfunction of one of the vital instruments is just impossible....and to berate america, let me just state to you i have traveled all over the world, lived in many different countries, and the most giving, most compassionate people i ever met were from america......just think for a moment, what if some f**king nut like chavez or morales had the nuclear capacity and deliverability of america, and remember those two a*****es are in your part of the world in s. america.....do you think for one moment either one of these jackasses would even hesitate to use these weapons on brazil? if you do then you're in dreamland....believe me when morales sent his federal troops to seize petrrobras immense two billion dollar facilities in bolivia he was in essence telling everyone in brazil, amigos, you're very lucky we don't have nuclear weapons, cause if we did you wouldn't see tomorrow amigos.....america used nuclear weapons to end the war against japan and in case you don't know sufficient history, even though these two blasts killed many thousands it ended the war and actually saved the loss of tens of millions of men women and children because japan would have fought with every child and woman in case america had to invade their mainland, and like the sick crazed islamac muslims these japanese were just as insane, they were kamikazies, giving their lives gladly to be taken to the heavens to be honored everyday by their emperor....so the next time you hear about big bad america killing and hurting so many people try to visualize a world controlled by hitler and the japs and the islamic fundamentalists..... i don't think the people of brazil would be too thrilled with that kind of world, do you? americans have given of themselves to help others more than all of the other countries put together....shame shame on you, for your disgusting and terribly biased article against the united states of america......

This accident was a real tradgedy, but why is everyone assuming that the GOL pilots were completely blameless? As has been stated above, it's amazing that the the Legacy managed to bring down the 737 considering the relatively minor damage to the Legacy. We still don't know what the GOL pilots were doing when the accident occurred.

Why doesn't everyone back off the heated rhetoric, and wait for the results of the investigation? I just hope that all of the truth comes out, and let the blame fall where it may.

Iran, North Korea and France in the Australian Continent (Oceania)??? Lots of time to find them on the map...wrongly...ugh! lol

Thank you so much PJ, that was so funny!! Now I understand why you call bush voters ignorants.Geopolitics basic knowledge then forget about it.

About the "discussion" the article talks about the American insensible sentiment and attitude. People can ignore that as much as they want, that won't change the article and what people think about it.

I am an citizen of the United States of America and I'm proud of it and I would expect any Brasiliero to be proud of their citizenship as well. This crash was a disaster for all humanity and contrary to what some apparently believe, no one in the U.S. or Brasil wanted this to happen. This is not about "American Imperialism" or "Brazilian incompetence". Mistakes were made on both sides and the only proper course of action to follow now is to find out the truth and take corrective action.

Shame on all of you who have written such hateful comments...Americans or Brazilians. None of your comments do anything to comfort the families who have lost dear loved ones. Instead of wasting your time writing hateful comments, we should all be trying to discover ways we can learn from each other instead of insulting each other.

I'm hosting a young foreign exchange student from Brasil in my home right now and I thank God she doesn't have to read some of the garbage both sides of this issue have put out on these pages.

I will pray for all of the families who have lost loved ones in this tragedy and that my friends is far more constructive than most of your comments here......Good Bye.

P.S. I would dearly love to visit Brasil someday, but I really can't say I'd feel welcomed there after some of your comments. If your thinking of visiting the U.S. please recognize that the VAST MAJORITY of U.S. Citizens are not the Brasil haters you hear from here.....I'll be looking for another site to learn about Brasil.

Dear Doctor,
You failed to put in context the responses of the US officials and company representatives, who are responding to a media linching of the two pilots.
It is worth noticing that under ICAO rules judiciary should have waited until the end of the investigation. Instead, responding to the media storm, judges and prosecutors got their 15 minutes of fame by taking the passports of the pilots away.

Furthermore, in your charges that the US is blaming Embraer by pointing to a possible failure of the transponder, you are underscoring your own ignorance about the situation: the transponder is made by a US company.
In summary, if people like you would be quiet and let the technical investigators find the CAUSES of this tragic disaster, things would be better for all.

This is not a political incident, and idiots like you are trying desperately to make it into one. This is an ACCIDENT, and if there are entities or people that are found negligent, the rules are clear on how to proceed.

BM

Whoever the writer is, this David Lerer person, he should try to avoid fomenting and inciting emotions on all issues, when this entire accident is still in the investigation process. USA and Brazil have an excellent relationship, and for him to accuse the USA of imperialism just exposes his ignorance of the relationship between the two countries.

According to the dictionary, the defintion of imperialism is, "the policy of extending the rule or authority of an empire or nation over foreign countries, or of acquiring and holding colonies and dependencies." HOW THE HELL IS DOES THIS APPLY TO THE ACCIDENT, OR EVEN TO THE REAL LIFE RELATIONSHIP BETWEEN BRAZIL AND THE USA????????

The writer uses EMOTIONALISM that is not based on anything but a self serving need to make an impact. And the impact made only exposes himself an unrealiable, uninformed and ignorant reporter; I suggest the writer look are another form of livelihood.....he is absolutely unqualified to analyze or write investigatory reports based on FACT and REALITY.

The difference between Brazil and EU/USA: There is corruption and dirty things happening in all these countries...the difference is that brazilian people don't accept it and do whatever they can to show it on newspapers. By the other side, americans hide every kind of corruption/scandal. American politicians steal lots of dollars from public organizations but american people are too polite to say something. They prefer to hide its dirty not to show to the world who they really are. A bunch of s**t.

Athina, American politicians steal? Our governmental system is structured so that stealing is IMPOSSIBLE (unlike in Brazil and other bannana republics). SO ARE YOU ON DRUGS, or have never lived in the USA? We are the LEAST CORRUPT nation on earth. There's no other nation as OPEN and HONEST than the USA. In the USA you face the law no matter who you are (example President Nixon). We are a land of immigrants who were FED UP of corruption and tyranny in their home countries and came to USA to help create and maintain a government that is BETTER than where they came from.

"the difference is that brazilian people don't accept it"

Ya, and that´s where the expression "Rouba, mais fez" comes into play right Athina?

Concordo,corrupção não é uma invenção do Brasil, mais ....


...a impunidade é bem Brasileiro.

"There's no other nation as OPEN and HONEST than the USA"

That's stretching things ....

If you open "The Miami Herald" Newspaper you are going to read it there. You also can read it online. It is full of cases of corruption in USA involving american politicians there.

Was that sentence you mentioned in spanish or portuguese? Sorry, I couldn't understand it.

Sorry, you are blind and deaf.

"the difference is that brazilian people don't accept it"

I agree with "Athina Onassis " For GOD sake don't let her breed anymore!!

For example: Paulo Maluf he cant be corrupt can he? Considering his popularity
in the last election!

If he is corrupt why would so many vote for him??? Thus corruption is not really corruption is it, because the difference is that brazilian people don't accept it!

And look at the U.S.A. Disney Land for example, yes! Look at the corruption there folks!! Goofy is not Goofy, cause Mickey f**ked Mini, so Mini is f**king Goofy right???

In my opinion Athina is f**king Goofy!

..........I am not blind and deaf, sorry to dissapoint you. You quote the Miami Herald, but that is very convenient.....words are cheap. So just for my curiosity please give me the link to any such article(s), to back up your claims. Otherwise I feel very sorry for you, and will contribute to your mental health care.

I'm really impressed with your intelligence....so, you know who Paulo Maluf is.....That's awesome!!! You are brilliant!!! Congrats!!!!

"Was that sentence you mentioned in spanish or portuguese? Sorry, I couldn't understand it."

So what you’re saying is that either 1., you don’t read Portuguese, or 2., you’re just a freaking idiot?

Então mocinha, qual é?

Na verdade eu acho que vc é um TROLL memso, e nada mais.

Aha "Athina"

You are British or were raped by one, cause only the GAY BLOKES say
Brilliant!

SEARCH and type the word CORRUPTION. It is gonna show many cases of corruption in USA.

I told you were brilliant!!! How did you realize I'm gay? Athina is the name I use to f**k people like you!!!

Athina!

I never thought about searching for the word CORRUPTION before?
Geeez, should I use Google?

To make things more challenging try searching for: CORRUPTION+BRAZIL
feel free to use any search engine!

I got 6,940,000 reference for CORRUPTION+BRAZIL
I got 14,700,000 references for CORRUPTION+USA

I guess this alone kinda proves what you said is bulls**t Americans hide every kind of corruption/scandal

Very nicely written and presented article.
As usual, the bastard americans are reacting like monkeys, and look like a frog, of whom nobody cares, unable to digest the truth, and unable to see others developing and themself being hated to the hilt.
Regarding poverty, Americans are most poor by heart, brain, manners, global civic sense and so on. Poor chaps. Its become normal to see majority of people making jokes and laughing of US and Arrogant americans, across the globe, including their so called friends of america. As usual these monkeys will pounce and start tearing of pieces of what I have just written. Others laugh at the scene. Its just unbelievable, that without somebody being a big big fool, so many illegal immigrants go in and live and work in u.s.a. hehehe hehehe...he he huh

"Professor" is that childish logic, simplistic reasoning, or sheer ignorance? Anyone with average IQ understands you cannot simply google "corruption+usa" and "corruption+brazil" to guage the corruption index of the two countries. If you still don't get it, try this: USA gets a lot more press coverage than Brazil, USA being the only SUPERPOWER the world. There are lots of other factors, but then that would be beyond your mental comprehension.

Some of the morons posting online is just hilarious......no wonder our world (and their country) is in such poor shape.

I think you missed the whole point of the prof's exercise.

Yes, I was being childish, because that is what the whole topic has been!
"Athina"

Here is a link to the worlds most corrupt countries perceptions survey:

http://ww1.transparency.org/cpi/2005/cpi2005.sources.en.html

#1 Iceland (the least)
#11 United Kingdom (Gay people are less Corrupt)
#17 USA
#62 Brazil (LOL) Imagine that!
#158 Chad (the most)

Some of the americans posting here are so full of s**t that no wonder, usa is the country with largest enemies, and most insecure feeling. no wonder they all are falling down, and see the face of bushy bush these days on tv, and condo condi is hilarious. time is close when several countries will put mass boycot on usa for their rotten behaviour. super power???? this is called day dreaming? why doesnt usa abandon its nuclear bombs, and sale of weapons? why doesnt it focus on growing food and exporting it? why does it focus on creating fights? betweenother countries??? the answer is simple, you dirty american dogs also know it. now the whole word knows it. as usual, u s**tty americans, start barking...as i am posting this truth

Why does U.S have to be called arrogant?
I think its a matter of hate toward the U.S. position in the world.

Are nutts. Listen to yourselves. Don't hate me just because I am an American. I love Brazil. And I love Brazilian people and culture. Problems and all! I am not too crazy about my government. But that has nothing to do with this disaster. The Air Traffic Controllers cleared that Legacy jet to be at 37,000 ft. Period. Sorry folks. The recorders proved it. Stop spinning and do somthing about it or your country is just as bad as the big ole boogey man to the north called the USA!

Why is your air traffic snarled now? Because your own air traffic controllers know the truth and are not taking on more workload than is safe. Brazilians are compassionate loyal people who know the difference between right and wrong. Stop blaming America for everythibng and go solve the problem. Its a big one.

“There's no other nation as OPEN and HONEST than the USA”… That’s a FIRST rate joke!

In the old days, crooks like Al Capone would buy a judge. Capone had to buy judges because he wasn't part of the establishment. But that's tough, paying off one judge at a time. So the now crooks just buy the government and get new laws. Actually it's worse than that. The crooks are the government!

As to the “professor” writing comments here, he is an authority after all he holds a PhD… Pimping Hoes Degree!

F*** Bush, the draft dodger.

You are the type of American that is killing your own country through ignorance. Do watch Fox (Republican Party) News for your information?

American corruption is just much more sophisticated. The whole war in Iraq is an example of American on a scale grander than a country like Brazil could imagine. It was an invasion for control of oil and for contracts for Dick Cheney's former company.

Intelligent, well-informed Americans know this as well as just about everybody else in the world...wake the f**k up!

And being a poster boy for the stereotypical arrogant American, of course you assume your country has the least corruption in the world. We're number one! What a joke. Get out and read something other than getting your news from Fox or CNN.

David Lerer, you are an arrogant opportunist and a poor writer.

It's hypocritical that such an arrogant man could possibly accuse anyone else, let alone an entire country of arrogance.

It seems by the responses to this article that some Brazilians are just as arrogant as David Lerer and are so enveloped in narcissism that they have no clue how ridiculous they sound. I hope that most Brazilians are not like the xenophobic anti-American activists who wrote and responded positively to this trashy article.

Why do people in most nations hate the american posters on the expat site worldover? Dont throw a stupid rant, saying that people cant stand the number 1 position of usa. u r not number one, when nobody wants to talk good about you arrogant americans, typicaly the ones posting here. normal mentality americans, we pity on you for your own country men are spoiling the rep**ation of usa. americans these days have to bully other countries to express support, and friendship.....shame shame...shame...
Go eat s**t.

The anti-americanism is spread through international selective "news" reporting originating from marxist sources like the New York SLIMES, the Washington comPOST, and Al-Reuters.

you hollerin' Redneck afflicted with Tourette's syndrome.

Oh look... Just 249621841 more days until I start caring what you think. GET LOST PECKERWOOD!

1. USA remains the No. 1 immigrant destination in the world........hmmmmmm.....I wonder why this is so, if the whole world hates us.
2. When you attack the USA, you attack the world. USA is comprised of all races, all nationalities and creeds.
2. Suppose, all your hatred for us comes true and Islamo-fascism or China becomes the dominant world power, let's see if you would be able to spew your hatred and freedom to speak against them, especially with a global Islamic conversion their goal. Oh, by the way, they love you femino-phobic flamers so much, they actually execute sodomites. bwahahahahaha!!!

..........and try not to masquerade behind different names on this blog.........we all know you are the same losers

So radical Islamic Muslim terrorist attack and destroy a few buildings, kill a few thousand in those buildings crash 4 plane loads of passengers. Lets see why should this cause the U.S. to invade Iraq and Afghanistan?? hummm

A Brazilian plane piloted by Americans crashes into a American plane full of Brazilians! hmmmm

The world has some strange going ons!

Countries that used to support the U.S. are not supporting the U.S. any more.
Muslim Radicals are slowly tearing apart these countries internally, France just naming one.

One would assume we have a Muslim terrorist problem?

The U.S. begins to fingerprint selected citizens entering the U.S. from different countries.

Brazil begins to finger print Americans entering Brazil.

Iran, Syria, Hamas, P.A. Hamas, Egypt etc. want to wipe Israel off the map and the U.S. for supporting Israel.

History has shown in uncertain times, that the JEWS are targeted as the troublemakers, such as it is again, now the U.S. too.

If for some reason the U.S. failed for any reason, the Economic impact would hit Brazil extremely hard. Those who choose to hate the U.S. deny that the U.S. has anything to do with Brazil. Their consciousness
has been burned from their own hatred, which affords them this denial.

Select Brazilians with hatred, invent conspiracy theories about the U.S. where in reality these people have never had a real connection
or experience that gives them right. Many others from different countries or even within the U.S. (Americans) have the same hatred.

Hating Jews or even now hating Americans does not really need an excuse, because it is just hate manifested. We can misplace our hate any way and on anyone without good cause.

Brazil's retaliating over the finger printing situation was more or less a retaliation for what reason? Somehow Brazilians think the U.S. Government is picking on them? why? In the U.S. they were focused
on the Terrorist threat, but In Brazil the Brazilians were fighting the Americans. Why?

Brazil and other S. American countries are directly and or indirectly supporting terrorism. Needed monies to support these activities come
from the black-market in Latin America. Brazil maintains an open border with Ciudad del este, Uruguay why is that? Venezuela has been reported to be aiding Terrorist organizations, especially with training on how to enter the U.S.

Some Brazilians find it amusing with the current situation with the midair crash in the Amazons, important factor 'Americans" were flying one of the planes.

Of course the loss of 4 planes, two buildings full of people etc. is not
as important right? Not even important enough to justify fighting terrorist on their own soil.

Americans are arrogant! Brazilians are arrogant too, and we could add allot of other countries to the list.

I think Brazilians preferred the lying, smooth talking, adulterous Bill Clinton, than the hard-ass right wing George Bush. Good old bill
represents the same attributes you can find in Latin American politicians, whereas Bush is the opposite.
In my opinion I do not like either of the two.

Bush is the face of America, another reason Americans seem so arrogant. The U.S. needs a President more like Lula right?
Then Brazilians would like the U.S.
Brazilians would love the U.S. if the U.S. dropped the visa requirement to enter the U.S.
Brazilians would like the U.S. if the U.S. became a 3rd world country too. Then we would not be so arrogant, we would be ignorant.

Funny thing how in Iraq they were fighting the Americans, then decided it was more important to fight each other. Perhaps if Brazilians did not have the U.S. to hate they could spend more time
fighting crime or poverty.

My Dear USANationOfImmigrants:

You said...

1.USA remains the No. 1 immigrant destination in the world........hmmmmmm.....I wonder why this is so, if the whole world hates us.

Easy to explain… It’s called $MULA$, a far cry from LOVE.


2.When you attack the USA, you attack the world. USA is comprised of all races, all nationalities and creeds.

Agreed. The 2nd statement makes part of the american character better known as arrogance.


3.Suppose, all your hatred for us comes true and Islamo-fascism or China becomes the dominant world power, let's see if you would be able to spew your hatred and freedom to speak against them, especially with a global Islamic conversion their goal. Oh, by the way, they love you femino-phobic flamers so much, they actually execute sodomites. bwahahahahaha!!!

Can’t wait for the day when all people of the earth realizes what SHINOLAS americans really are


..........and try not to masquerade behind different names on this blog.........we all know you are the same losers

I speak for myself…Now then, do us all a BIG favor and go float in your nearest sanitary vase!

Piece & Luv Muther!

David Lerer is a historic political and intellectual figure in Brazil. He was an active member of the left wing party, more exactly an icon of the democracy cause, during the dictarorship ( he exilated himself not to be killed...) and rest his case after redemocratization.

Decent people are again in the Braz congress despite the terrible ones. I personally like Arthur Virgilio, (responsible and intelligent guy), and Fernando Gabeira, Luisa Helena etc...

But, hey, here's a hug it's the seventh video at this address. Fernanda Abreu's video there too (Rio 40 graus)

http://coisasebobagens.blogspot.com/

Once again this thread had degenerated into desperate name calling.

I can identify one difference between Brazil and the U.S. (among many differences, some good, some bad):

In the U.S., if you get caught in a corrupt act, you go to jail.
In Brazil if, you get caught in a corrupt act, you get re-elected.

Now please tell me what corruption has to do with the topic of this article...

What was the topic of the article?? Oh ya! It was about a little plane that brought down a big plane while the ATC watched it happen live on Radar and never told the big plane that a small plane was coming. no no no it was about:

According to David Lerer's article: After all, if a little plane like that can bring down a Boeing while only damaging its wing's tip and a small section of its tail, it's because it's very good

Its so funny to read the americans post here. They really are nuts. They have started thinking several seperate guys here, are one and the same, and what not........hahaha typical american...whatever happens in the world...they think something or somebody is gonna hurt them..and one thing for sure..now they know how much the world hates them.....they cant beat the whole world...so they are targeting selected few weak targets...to grumble around...hehehe so funny....and so stupid.....hahaha....let a bigger enemy emerge..americans and muslims will act as long lost friends...tudo...f d p

Sad, sad, sad... To all of you defending the U$ by saying that every other country sucks, let me break it to you: The U$ is NOT the best country in the whole entire Universe. The term "American" DOES NOT mean the citizen of the U$, but the citizen of any country in the Americas. :-

ANGLO-American imperialism ? Anglo ??? how did the UK /English get involved in this??
:-

Bushy bush and Tiny Tony exchange wifes when they visit each others country. Thats how UK/English get involved. Now please dont ask me proof. Billy Bum could not do it, so he did it with someone else. Why do you think Condi is there, because she is safe from the hands of Bushy, due to her personal beauty.

North Americans, ..... start barking...sorry to interrupt your dog fight.

Both Brazil and the United States are great countries.
This aviation accident was a terrible tragedy.
As a US citizen, I believe the pilots of the US plane should have the passports held until a full investigation is completed. This would be considered normal and acceptable to both parties.
Should it be found that the American pilots were at fault, they should be tried in a court of law.
I wasn’t there, so I do not know the facts. What I do know is that this was a really sad event and I wish it had never happened. My heart goes out to the families who lost loved ones. My prayers go out to them as well. I am so sorry for their loss.
Whatever the US can do morally and financially to ease this situation should be done.
The United States and Brazil should remain good friends and work to assure that this type of accident risk is reduced in the future.
Again, God bless all of the people who have been affected by this tragedy.

--"As a US citizen, I believe the pilots of the US plane should have the passports held until a full investigation is completed. This would be considered normal and acceptable to both parties."

I don't understand why it is not considered normal to some American citizens to prevent the pilots from leaving the country? Is there two justices, some people are more like the same than others I wonder..

--"Again, God bless all of the people who have been affected by this tragedy."

nice

thank you in their name!!

a hug!

Well...appears Folha neswpaper got the jump on the idiot Brazo authorities.They have the news that will soon be released officially: Braz ATC was responsible for the crash by instructing pilots to the altitude where the crash occurred.
Awwww, s**t! No roast American churrasco. Como deseja a carne? Que legumes tem?

Now the monkeys continuing to post their diatribe here can go back to their mental/physical squalor and wallow in their socialist self-pity.
Cheers, you just got Lula for another 4,5,6...40 years(?) and together with Chavez, Lula can do the samba while your economy goes a la merda.

To David Lerer and his quasi manifesto: arrogant self-serving, hysterical, pseudo-journalistic sensationalist buffoon. You're a tool of your bloodthirsty masters.You're about 90 years late to the party.

I can think on many latin and African countries with much more class than what Brazil has shown during this whole lamentable episode.
Release the pilots, fix your own f**king problems and let us all get on with life.

U cant pretend by posting some odd thoughts, and pretend that you are not dogs, but you are donkeys !

Re: U cant pretend by posting some odd thoughts, and pretend that you are not dogs, but you are donkeys !

Only the Democrats are donkeys We Republicans are elephants

Todays KINDERGARTEN lesson of politics is now complete. I hope it wasn't over your head!

David Lerer,

Have you read all of the news articles today? Are you eating Crow yet? Anglo American Imperialism? I guess not this time.

I have read attack after emotional unsound attack in these threads from pseudo nationalists that think all truth comes down to the arrogance of America. And while it may be true in many instances, truly today we can see clearly who the arrogant ones really are.
In the future before jumping to your slanted, hateful conclusions, realize that the people that were involved in this tragedy were all human beings not just Brazilians. Instead of trying to turn thier deaths into a platform for your bulls**t anti-American rhertoric, you should have kept your minds on the tradegy of those affected families.
Of course your failure to do so just demonstrates not only your level of pettiness, but the same arrogance that you so quickly accuse Americans of.
Next time you are looking for someone to blame...take a long look in the mirror first my Brazilian amigos.

forget it who cares what they think?

OK... you ol farts, I got some toilet paper for a crap game, ready?

Americans are proof that evolution does go in reverse... hehehe!

Oh you crazy Brazilians!
Right on KC!

u american dogs !
written by Righto, 2006-11-02 14:15:10

U cant pretend by posting some odd thoughts, and pretend that you are not dogs, but you are donkeys !
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OK, somebody help me with this one here....wow what the hell did he say...not sure if it needs translation, or just start over again.
Does Brazil have a problem with methamphetamine too?

I persoanally want to know the truth and now it seems some is now coming out and there were people starting the "blame game" before they knew what was going on. I just had a trip to Brazil and I personally want the skies safe, no matter who is the fault. Accidents happen everywhere and this is not about who is at fault.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,227045,00.html?sPage=fnc.world/americas

Wait until the official word from the Brasilian Air Force (the jurisdiction agency) as to the findings before drawing new conclusions.

Peace

Waint until the official report from the Brasilian Air Force, the agency with jurisdiction, before drawing more speculative conclusions.

Peace

All the rude comments written back and forth are disappointing and sad.Favio was one person who wrote like he had some sense without useless name calling and boorish classless insults.Thank you for writting your well thought out comments.The one thing most people in Brazil and the U.S. have in common is a desire to improve our societies.The people I met in Brazil were not only intellegent but delightful people who loved music and good times.Like people from the U.S. they would like to see better political conditions.Many anti-U.S. Brazilians report false things about the U.S. which many believe;even Brazilians who have lived in the U.S. for years and there are many;most have no accent or little so we don't have any idea they are from Brazil.That anyone would use an airplane crash for propaganda is simply sick.It is beneath the dignity of Brazil and the U.S. and the people!Meiner meinung nach!

Americans in Brazil should PROSECUTE discriminatory comments based on their national origin. If Brazil insists on having a hate speech law, Americans visiting Brazil should utilize it and demand justice when hate speech is directed at them. I hope this begins with the US pilots. If authorities won't enforce the law, go to any media that will listen and publicize Brazil's selective law enforcement!

"Ordem e Progresso" should be replaced with "Erro Meu, mas Problema Seu"
Below is about what the reaction will be:

Brazilians don't eat crow! Given American's pattern of arrogance it doesn't matter that a wierd fluke happened just this once. It was still reasonable to assume an American cover up was in the works.

It looks like most of us who were blaming the Legacy pilots just commited a stupid mistake what demands thus that we apologize.
The Legacy pilots did nothing wrong, they were just following the instructions. First of all, we are so full of pride and we've been told lies about the greatness of our nation that we end up acting just like the "arrogant americans" we criticize, when after all, the fact that the US leads the world economy cannot be discussed ( we tend to make critics to people in US who are proud of being American but we are proud of bein Brazilian, aren't we?) and they mantain a mature and solid society.

God, I am not sure why I was so stupid to trust the flow and had the stupid reaction to blame the American pilots. Why did I repeat stupid? Because, I can admit I was stupid and must apologize. You guys and girls should follow me for the sake of the honor of the two pilots.

Continue reading the newspapers "Daniel".If youre really a brazilian (haha) you would know that you are not "told" about the greatness of your nation. Stop behaving like a colonizado, will you "brazilian"?

O Brazil é um lugar legal miradora, só estou dizendo que a gente exagera no ufanismo. E também de que foi besteira culpar os pilotos. E fiz isso por burrice, por que fiquei pensando nas crianças sem pai e nas que faleceram.

An Inevitable Crisis at the Nation's Airports
Posted Tuesday, October 24, 2006 ; 03:37 PM

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That's what one local air traffic controller says is happening. The cause, the FAA.

Story by Kimberly Beary Email | Bio

CHARLESTON- Yeager Airport's air traffic controllers say delays are inevitable for the upcoming holiday travel season, regardless of any weather problems.

Air traffic controllers say the delay is a safety issue that is directly caused by the Federal Aviation Administration.

"You're dealing with the lives of many people," said Jim Ennis, a local representative with the National Air Traffic Controllers Association.

Whatever goes up and comes down is in the hands of 22 air traffic controllers at Yeager Airport, including David Large's life.

"Once you're in the sky you're hoping okay, everything is good," said Large prior to his Tuesday-morning flight to Nashville," You don't want someone falling asleep at air traffic control."

In January, there may be controllers working overtime as the staffing level will fall to 19.

While millions of dollars beefed up passenger screening, Ennis contends that the FAA has been cutting back on safety once plans are in the air.

Across the country, the number of air controllers has declined.

"You have good men and women who work here at Charleston airport and nationwide," Ennis said. "When we start seeing safety compromised what you'll see is, we'll start curtailing services which you then you have delays."

The 'do more with less' mentality not only applies only to manpower, but to technology as well. The radar in use was developed in World War II. The upgrade that was supposed to take place at Yeager in 2007, but has that probably won’t happen, said airport director Rick Atkinson.

"Its not benign neglect in my opinion," said Atkinson. "Its negligent neglect of the system. If that continues there will be a real problem."

A spokesperson for the FAA says Yeager can be safely staffed with 20 controllers. Large says he has faith in the system, while Ennis says this is a crisis.

Air traffic controllers must go through two years of on-the-job training prior to working on their own.

Ennis says the FAA has not hired an adequate number of controllers to replace those who are becoming eligible for retirement.

Copyright 2006 West Virginia Media. All rights reserved. This material may not be published, broadcast, rewritten, or redistributed.

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TheBostonChannel.com
Report: Runways Lack Safety Zone
Runways 'Out Of Shape,' Senator Says

POSTED: 7:06 am EST November 3, 2006
UPDATED: 12:01 pm EST November 3, 2006
WASHINGTON -- More than half of U.S. commercial airports don't have a 1,000-foot margin at the end of a runway, an overrun area the federal government says is needed as a safety zone, according to a new report.

Some of the busiest airports in the country - including Boston's Logan International Airport, Los Angeles International Airport, Chicago's O'Hare International Airport and Hartsfield-Jackson Atlanta International Airport - have more than one runway that doesn't meet safety standards, according to statistics supplied by the Federal Aviation Administration.

"Our runways are out of shape, and the Bush administration has failed to move to correct the problem," Sen. Frank Lautenberg, a New Jersey Democrat, said Thursday. "If we don't get serious about runway problems, the result could be disastrous."

The FAA says it is diligently upgrading the runways. The agency expects that all of them will meet the standard by 2015, when they are legally required to do so, according to FAA spokeswoman Laura Brown.

"Today, 70 percent of commercial service runways have a runway safety area within 90 percent of the standard," Brown said. She said 236 runways were improved as of Sept. 22.

At 325 airports - more than half of the 573 commercial airports in the United States - at least one runway lacks the 1,000-foot safety zone, according to the FAA's own figures. Almost half of all commercial runways - 507 of 1,017 - don't meet the safety standard.

Logan has five runways, on which planes land in both directions, meaning there are 10 "runway ends." Half of those do not meet the 1,000-foot safety zone, according to the FAA and Logan officials. Logan has built "arresting systems" and safety ramps at the other five runway ends, said Richard Walsh, spokesman for Massport, the agency that operates Logan.

"All major runway ends at Boston Logan are in conformance with FAA regulations," Walsh said.

Logan is the nation's 17th busiest airport and is located on a mostly man-made peninsula jutting into Boston Harbor, with five intersecting runways. A sixth runway now under construction will not cross the other runways, Walsh said.

Deadly airplane crashes can happen on runways because they're too short, improperly lit, poorly designed or lack safety equipment. A minor procedural error by a pilot or an air traffic controller can turn tragic if a vehicle or another airplane happens to be in the way.

Federal safety investigators are looking into three runway mishaps this week alone: An Alaska Airlines jet landed on the wrong runway at Seattle-Tacoma International Airport; two airliners clipped wings while taxiing at Newark Liberty International Airport; and another jet landed on a taxiway at Newark.

Within the past year, two fatal commercial airline crashes involved runways.

In August, 49 people were killed when a Comair regional jet took off on the wrong runway at Lexington Blue Grass Airport in Kentucky.

And in December, a 6-year-old boy in a car was killed when a Southwest Airlines 737 overran a runway at Chicago's Midway Airport and plowed into the street.

Part of the problem is that airports were built in congested urban areas and have no room to lengthen their runways.

One solution is to install soft concrete beds at the end of a runway. Called Engineered Material Arresting Systems, or EMAS, they slow an airplane that rolls off the end of a runway.

Last month, a private jet carrying Yankees third baseman Alex Rodriguez overran a runway at Bob Hope Airport in Burbank, Calif., and was brought to a halt by an EMAS bed.

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NTSB says pilot errror, inadequate monitoring, caused fatal crash

BURLINGTON, Vt. -- A private plane crash that killed the pilot last year as he approached the Burlington International Airport was most likely caused by pilot error and inattentive air traffic control, said a report by the National Transportation Safety Board.

The report said pilot Donald Roberge, 49, of Ellington, Conn., did not stay within the defined instrument landing approach path into the airport on Nov. 22 last year.

And air traffic control officials at the airport didn't see or hear a low-flight alarm in time to warn Roberge that he needed to gain elevation before he crashed into a wooded and hilly section of Williston, the report said.

No problems were found with the plane, the report said.

Roberge, who had flown from the Hartford-Brainard Airport, was alone in the twin-engine Piper Aztec as he approached the Burlington airport and told controllers he would land using his instruments. The plane crashed about four minutes after it was cleared to land, the report said.

"The local controller's first instruction to the pilot to 'climb' was five seconds after the last target was observed on the radar," the report said.

The report said an unnamed air traffic controller failed to see or hear a low-altitude warning.

Union representative Steve Walsh said two controllers did not recall hearing the alarm, but investigators who reviewed the radar said they saw a low-altitude alert for the plane.

But Walsh, an air traffic controller and local union representative for the National Air Traffic Controllers Association, said monitoring the radar screen was not the primary duty of the controller singled out in the report.

"The tower controller is not duty-bound to watch the radar scope. His job is to scan the airport surface and airport environment using the control tower windows. Had there been an alarm, there was a supervisor there," said Walsh. "The audio alarm is the part that would then warrant the controller to look at the display. He didn't get an alarm."

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Information from: The Burlington Free Press, http://www.burlingtonfreepress.com

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FAA Controller Accused Of Snoozing On The Job

Fri, 27 Oct '06
NATCA Not Surprised

The Federal Aviation Administration is investigating why an air traffic controller responsible for directing planes in the Charleston, SC area fell asleep on the job early one morning last month.

FAA spokeswoman Kathleen Bergen says the unidentified employee was found asleep in the control tower of Charleston International Airport about 6:00am on September 13, by a co-worker arriving for the next shift.

"He allegedly dozed off for a few minutes," Bergen told The Associated Press. "We're looking into the circumstances surrounding the allegations that someone was sleeping on duty."

According to media reports, no flights were affected by the dozing controller... although five commercial flights were set to take off in the next half-hour. The controller in question was also responsible for handling all traffic within the Class C airspace surrounding the airport... and planes flying in and out of four other airports in the area.

Doctors have since cleared the employee to return to work. Bergen would not comment on whether the person was penalized.

A spokesman for the National Air Traffic Controllers Association -- union for the approximately 14,200 air traffic controllers nationwide -- said he's not necessarily surprised that a controller was found napping -- as most airport towers are understaffed, and controllers have to work six day work weeks to fill in the gaps.

"This is a tired work force, no doubt about it," said Doug Church. "There are fewer controllers handling more traffic than ever before."

Funny, it came out today that there WAS an air traffic controller error. Imagin that Mr david? American arrogance? Your a JOKE no you ignorant snide populistic nitwit. Using tragedy for you own stupidity should be illegal. I hope this will be an example to place blame on people before the facts are in. Read todays papar in SP! AIR TRAFFIC CONTROL ERROR!

Only a fool beleive in the Brazilian midia

Brazilian made came to confuse and not to inform


Let wait until the official word

Now who is being unreasonable. It was reasonable to assume that there was a coverup just because they were American? So where is the coverup coming from now? Brazil my friend. But I didn't assume it until I herd the facts. Its not a wierd Fluke. Its Anti-American retoric that should not be directed at Americans in general. Would this have happened if those pilots were from Argentina? (ok bad example.) Most of us (Americans) know our government is arrogant and has screwed up in the world. You think I like that? I hate it. This is stereotyping of Americans. And I personally don't stereotype Brazilians (or any other culture) because I know Brazil as a country and culture and appreciate it. Even if their government is corrupt as well. You all assumed those pilots were at fault because they were "American." Yep they should have had thier passports taken away until the investigation is complete. But don't judge them because they are Americans. Thats wrong and thats exactly what David Lerer did in his article and its excatly what alot of the Brazilians on this forum and others did. Thats like me as an American saying you Brazilians can't get your s**t together. How would that make the average Brazilian feel? Insulted? You bet. I would be judging them because thay are Brazilian. Its really bad human nature.
It is your error this time. And the USA is a Problem in the world and that IS our problem that I as an American have to live with. But don't judge Americans in general for that. Power corrupts absolutely. In Brazil and in the USA. And Eating Crow here is approrpriate. If Mr Lerer speaks English, he gets it.

I think I misread your posting. You were speaking in the third party. I'm not a sappy eternal optimist but I would like to think that that would not be the average response.

But at this moment I am disapointed with the leak of transparence from the brazilian aircontrol.

LEGACY X FLIGHT 1907 GOL AIRLINES

The comments of Mr. Joe Sharkey about this tragic accident made me think about the mentality witch founds a disrespectful and unequal relationship between rich and poor countries.

In multiple incidents everywhere the way how people think is crucial to determine if one incident will escalade to peace or to war. And I believe it is about time to review some concepts, concerning the last dangerous global events that all good citizens are facing around the world.

I was quiet and sad following the news over this tragedy into I saw Sharkey’s interview. And as a reaction (it’s always how it begins…) I have to say:

Americans live in a very controlled pseudo-democracy. One of your favorite slogans is: “Let’s make war abroad to keep freedom in America”. But what kind of freedom do you have at the present days?

For example, when you go party, if you drink one beer, just one beer, the chance that you go to jail in your way back home facing a DWI is huge. If you are a smoker and want to enjoy a cigarette in a pub, you have to abandon your beer alone inside and go out to have a smoke alone. What’s the fun in that? If you say something nice to a girl, she may suit you for sexual harassment. And if you are over 50 years old and single, your chance to get nice sex for free is almost zero. One exception is if you are a college teacher.

Well.

When you cross borders to any place down Texas you behave yourselves as Pirates, disrespecting all possible laws that you obey in the USA.

I do remember a terrible car accident occurred few years ago at Copacabana Beach involving some Navy Americans. Five young Brazilian girls where killed. The result of the Investigation was that the Navy boys where all drunk and crashed at a speed over 110 miles. Somehow the American embassy got involved and, once again, the killers didn’t face charges.

Besides that, daily incidents happen in Rio and around Brazil involving Americans with pathetic behaviors, mostly related to drugs abuse and basic rules of education, eventually pedophilia and prostitution.

Considering this, it wouldn’t be a very surrealistic picture for Brazilian citizens to imagine that the occupants of the Legacy where, as usual, repeating this "Pirate-behavior-mentality" during their flight:

The pilots may turned off the transponder and say: “Let’s see what this Brazilian babe (airplane from Embraer) can handle!” and started to do some crazy maneuvers. At the same time - pushing just a little bit to complete the stereotype - back in the cabin a party was taking place with some nice young Brazilian girls (or boys), cowboy whiskey, caipirinha and God knows what else…

If there were no traffic at the Brazilian air space, the Legacy would land at Mato Grosso as planed for a scale, the girls (or boys) would step out the plane and his passengers would normally flight back to the USA. By the time they flight over the Tex-Mex border everybody would be recovered from the party and ready to reassume their respectful social selves.

And when they arrive home, they would probably give a big hug in their kids, walk the dog, kiss their wife, and say: “Honey, I miss you so much!”

But not every story has a happy end. In this one 154 people died and two pilots may probably face serious charges. Anyway, if they have to spend some time in jail here, you don’t need to worry that much, because we give better treatments to our prisoners in Brazil than you do at Guantanamo Bay.

Even more desolating is a journalist writing tendentiously, increasing the gap between America and the rest of the world.

Brazilians and Americans are good people, but as you see, it’s so easy to loose it in stupid stereotypes. At the end I sincerely believe that we are al humans trying to be happy in a complicate planet, in a complicate time.

But as I said, I was quiet at home just watching the news and no, I don’t have a big mustache neither a green lenses Ray Ban.

Stay Beautiful,

Mark.

Facts
americains are arrogants towards other countries,
brazilian military authorities have a historical way to conduct investigations without transparency due to the "ditadura" era (sponsored by the CIA by the way).

1. USA remains the No. 1 immigrant destination in the world........hmmmmmm.....I wonder why this is so, if the whole world hates us.
2. When you attack the USA, you attack the world. USA is comprised of all races, all nationalities and creeds.
2. Suppose, all your hatred for us comes true and Islamo-fascism or China becomes the dominant world power, let's see if you would be able to spew your hatred and freedom to speak against them, especially with a global Islamic conversion their goal. Oh, by the way, they love you femino-phobic flamers so much, they actually execute sodomites. bwahahahahaha!!!

..........and try not to masquerade behind different names on this blog.........we all know you are the same losers

The United States is the worlds most multicultural country (at least said to be). Understanding multicultural to mean distinct virtual ethnic tribal neighborhoods living within one nation state - understanding a nation state being an entity that requires clearly defined boarders. Accepting the term multiculturalism in this way however does not negate the diversity of another nation state say in example Brazil. Brazil could arguably be less multicultural (using the term in the sense I gave) than the United States but more diverse and accomplished in assimilating various peoples into one Brazilian culture. Both cultural phenomenons can have their strengths and weaknesses. It would be overboard though to proclaim the United States "the world." What is real is real in its consequences - assuming this so - then considering the share of the world collective GDP that the United States owns the United States is anything but the world.

I will distill Marks comments down to this: The pilots actions were irrelevant. They should be arrested, imprisoned for many years and found guilty just because they are American.

f**k USA , f**k BUSH, f**k CONDA RICE

Redneck, you seem to see everything as so black and white. I see how it would be easy for another country to see us that way. Abu Gahrib for instance. Oy that was so bad!
Joe Sharkey did fan the flames. He had nothing whatsoever nice to say about Brazil. Except once I think he said if it wasn't for all of this I might like the place" (Oh lucky Brazil!). He is angry, and He assumes Brazil should operate exactly like the US. thats clueless ( are you hearing this president Bush?). He also seemed to love "the step away from the Tree there will be no lynching today""comment on this posting. Kind of shows the ...go for the jugular writing style he prefers in this situation. How do you feel about what you saw in the Brazilian media? About the same way as Brazilians felt when they read Joe Sharkey's blog.
But Mark your story is not what happened on the Embrare and we all know that. I think you were making a hypothetical situation there right? How would you feel if you were in the US and were accused of somthing that absolutely did not happen but speculation had the entire country wanting your blood. It would be a scary life altering experience. These poor guys are a victim of the United States rep**ation and they have the US government to thank in a round about way. I hope that when they come back, they speak about what the USA's rep**ation did to them (someone has to) and hope they have enough sense to stay away from disparaging Brazil. Joe Sharky didn't, and he made the situation worse. Hindsight is 20/20...
Most of my Brazilian friends in the US that I have asked about this situation are getting their information from their relatives in Brazil. They are thinking at this point that it is ATC, AND the Pilots at the wrong altitude with not following thier flight plan. But no one knows what the standard operating procedure is when you lose communication. What the tower tells you to do trumps your flight plan. and its up to ATC to move other aircraft out of the path of the plane without communication. So Brazil can cling to "the pilots should have followed their flight plan, but in the end, the standard operating procedure that is adheared to all over the globe by pilots is going to stand on its own and be a huge lesson to Brazils ATC. I think that has already happened. But on a last note, I am still interested in hearing why the transponder wasn't working. That still seems to be an outstanding question. I assume it is the same problem as communication loss, but we all see what can happen when we assume...
Joe Sharkey, if you are reading this, it might be at least a little good do some apologizing. Go through your blog and apologize for some of the things you could have said better or not at all. I am from the North East coast of the US. I know how verbally aggressive people from this part of the US can be (NY, PHILA), but in a situation like this, its wholly inappropriate. Your speaking to another culture where 154 people died. And you almost did too. Tact my friend. Brazilians are passionate. Anger is going to get you nowhere. Hence your hate mail. You walked right into that fire.
And Redneck, Mark also said that Americans and Brazilians are good people and its easy to lose in these stupid stereotypes. Hes right. I hope you read that part too.

"Both Anglo-American pilots had their passports seized by the Brazilian Air Force. In reality they are detained for inquiries, which is perfectly fair. "

According to brazzil.com it is perfectly fair that the two pilots have been held for well over a month now whilst enquiries are being carried out. How is this perfectly fair? Two normal respectable Americans are being held away from their families. Surely they should be allowed to return home until proper substantial evidence is gathered, then they can be brought back to Brazil.

The investigation of the accident is being also conducted in Canada.

So here is the scenario.

Two planes collide in Brasil, 154 passengers die, two pilots are held pending investigation, being ruthlessly demonized by officials and the media while the investigation is continually botched and delayed without much explanation...with reports of air traffic controllers being the real culprits for the disaster. Pilots are still stuck in Brasil and under suspicion for nefarious activities theorized by government officials, the brazilian media and its excitable lynchmob-like readers and listeners.

Meanwhile, various brazilians (among others) employ their best use of politized English go on an internet campaign, in an endless tirade of pissing and moaning their lot on life, through the use of defamatory language - accusations, half-truths and stereotypes tainted with paranoia and at best
completely irrelevant to the situation, to convince the world and humanity that the U.S. and its people are somehow connected to all the ills of their own self-evident narrow-minded world. I've read it all and still haven't seen the end of it, it seems.

And the march goes on....


"There was a time when I used to get angry - now I'm just amused..."

Yes Brazil has made alot of mistakes in this investigation and situation in general. I don't think that should be excused. The lunacy of thier accusations is obvious. But we can't sit back as Americans and say we never make mistakes and we can't sit back and say were perfect! We have a bad rep**ation in the world. Can we face that for a minute here? Maybe try to understand the hate coming at us? And these pilots? Americans are known for visiting other countries and not behaving themselves as they should. And some of us are clueless enough to think the whole world should operate just like us. It iS arrogant. Maybe we should try to understand the anger a little bit more instead of pooh poohing it off as baseless. This situation is a manifestation of a bigger problem. Our rep**ation! And these pilots are paying the price for it. Man talk about being stuck in the middle!

Nice coments...

"hate" it's a strong word for me. I personaly like the US and have ben there few times for vacation.

my point here is just that Sharkey's declarations where irresponsable as well the midia histeria in Brazil.

we should all wait into the investigation is concluded.

kind regards

hey. Im fourteen and im reading this article for my world history class. Personally, I'm shocked. How can people be so heartless? We're talking about the lives of 154 innocent people and here we are fighting about how arrogant the United states is. I know that it's not the greatest country in the world, but is Brazil? I'm thankful for what I have. I'm not starving or living in the streets, but I'm not livin' it up in a Malibu beach house. Our country may be fabricated into "the heartless americans who just care about themselves", but theres still people here who care. I'm writing this in the memory of those who lost their lives, and for their familys. I'm very sorry. No matter who's fault it was, nothing can bring those people back. Show some heart people. It's not about who is the selfish arrogant country. Stop the name calling and be mature. This is horrible seeing how this is coming from a 14 year old who gets in fights with her girls for being immature. But hey, im 14. Whats your excuse? Anyways, this is for the families. I'm sorry for your loss. May God bless you.

-- ashley.

I Like the US too. Just "strongly dislike" who we are in the world now. [removed]void(0);
I have been to and love Brazil as well and have many Brazilian friends. [removed]void(0);
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That the Americans were told to come to an altitude by ATC that had them flying against the normal flow of traffic. How arrogant is it for them to follow instructions when in someone else's sovereign airspace? How quickly politicians are make pronouncements which support their position before they have all the facts.

I'm a Anglo-USA man whose family goes back to the 1600's in the South USA. Not a Yankee. A real red-blooded North American. Every North American I talk with hates the any type of Insurance Company, and all the thieving scams. Well at least almost all except the very stupid North American's who loved to be scammed. I've had money in the past to times with almost nothing. I don't think those pilots would actually bring down another plane on purpose. But please don't call the USA those companies. They've murdered us into the thousands also on their technical charts, and estimates. Our Press are traitors to our country. Up here the Press have not stated who the 154 people are on the Boeing flight. Are they all Brazilian, people from other countries, or a mix from both? The press keeps us in the dark up here, and we hate their guts also. I guess you didn't know that there are many North American's like me into the millions in the South USA. I notice the main article said: ("insurance of ExcelAire, the American air-taxi company that owns the Legacy and is the employer of the pilots involved in the accident, doesn't cover human error."). Insurance of any kind is illegal, but the Lawyer's up here are pretending it's legal. They have all the money now. I really hate that those people died like that and the thousands here also. I didn't like what people said above about Brazil. They said Tropic Trash? Well then let's talk about the USA then. School shootings, drug users killing children into numbers that can't be counted, and the rich getting richer, and the poor becoming poorer.

From a Southern USA Man
written by Gearheart, 2006-11-08 23:54:01

"I'm a Anglo-USA man whose family goes back to the 1600's in the South USA. Not a Yankee. A real red-blooded North American....."

A southern man, aintcha?
He's "not a yankee, but from the SOUTH USA, a red-blooded NORTH(!!!) American(?)" [LOL]
Nice try moron...

I was writing to most Brazilians who can read English. Not to anybody in the USA, and the southern stuff was just for reference. So I wrote to fast in the forum. Someone from Brazil wrote something bad about Yankees in their message about us in the USA. My reference was to that. There are real red-blooded Americans all over the USA. of course, but not who I was talking about in my message. You must be an insurance agent, or maybe your daddy little boy.

Why say things to demean your own country? Wouldn't it be better to do something, to improve your perception of what is wrong with the USA, instead of bad mouthing your own country? You paint a picture of the USA that's misleading.

let Gearheart say whatever he feels about his country. There is no harm to put in discussion the weakness of some aspects of the USA.

Or did you think that the USA is a perfect country?

Have you traveled around?

Have you seen other countries to be able to compare?

Maybe you are a midia victim from your own countrie?

And yes, insurance companies sucks not only in the US but also in Brazil.

There where no americans in the plane that crashes, only one guy from France.

"Up here the Press have not stated who the 154 people are on the Boeing flight. Are they all Brazilian, people from other countries, or a mix from both?"

It seems there was a gringo there, I think an American and the rest 153 were brazilians.

Are you conda rice after all doing her blog anonynous participation? Why do you insist using a horse eyes protection while things happen in front of your nose? Is it too unberable for the dadys little boy to face some realities of life? Now, start saying Brazil this Brazil that. You cannot be frustrated can you? What do you do when you feel frustrated? Start insulting others?

Guest, possibly a.k.a "GEARHART, the Southern USA Man".

Now that I have deciphered some of your incoherent babbling, I'm not going to insult Brasil in general, but I will call out reactionary morons like you, David Lerer, and those incompetent corrupted officials in Brazil's government who are still holding the two pilots against their will and without just cause.

If you want to talk about Condi Rice, horses eyes, King Selassie, nacho chips, etc.etc. then perhaps you should post an article for fellow lunatics to comment on.

Now can you possibly discuss WHEN the investigation will conclude and the pilots released?
THAT is the topic of discussion.


USANationOfImmigrants, what makes you think Gearheart is from USA?
"I'm not a yankee but a full red-blooded NORTH American"? LOL!

There was 1 American on the Gol flight. He was from Missouri and living in Brazil. Gearheart, I am a Yankee (Gringa now living in California) making a comment about Yankees (people can be verbally aggressive in the North East coast of the US). I am not from Brazil, I grew up in Philadelphia (my family is old Philadelphia, Pennsylvania Quakers), and I also lived in Florida for a time (Southern US). And it wasn't ment to be a bad comment, just accurate, trying to depict a picture of how I see Joe Sharkey. His tone is better in his postings as of late. As you can see in some of my previous postings, I haven't lost that verbal agressiveness yet either, and I can pick up on it in someone else faster than a "Southern Man" (are we channeling Neil Young here?) or Brazilian (whichever you are).
Guest, Ch.c is the same person as Rightto playing both sides of the fence to get a response. Pay him no mind. He's irrelevant.

friends, let's face it - the whole accident, as you call it, was set up.

How did this accident become a referendum on the US? Planes crash all the time. Only a 1/2 Wit could conclude that 300 Million people in the US are responsible for this one plane crashing into the Amazon!

CONDI = What is she? n****r, Spick? Whatever it is, I consider her one of the frog people.

You americans on here really have a lot of free time, to jack off and bitch and complain..

Thats amusing. Isn't that a run on sentance? and...and...and... in addition, your racism makes you sound foolish.

Dear folks, needless to say, Brazil even with its bad issues is a great country, that's why americans have always tried to thwart our plans to get bigger, in the aerospace industry, in the nuclear field and so on. I lived in UK and France as a businessman, what I could realize from their Press is that they are as arrogant as the american people, teaching their societies lies and stereotyping brazilians and Brazil all the time in newspapers, web sites etc... Rare are the times they recognize something outstanding coming from Brazil, and when they do, there is always something within the written article showing the dark or flawing side of it. It's time for all of us brazilians to put and end to this. A new generation of brazilians has risen and that will change Brazil and the world, it will redefine how country marketing is done around the globe.

Hey, United States teen

The world is a complex place.
Most of us know that Brazil and the United States are both great countries.
Opinions vary. And that's what you will read in blogs.

written by wizard, 2006-11-15 16:21:01

"Dear folks, needless to say, Brazil even with its bad issues is a great country, that's why americans have always tried to thwart our plans to get bigger, in the aerospace industry, in the nuclear field and so on. I lived in UK and France as a businessman, what I could realize from their Press is that they are as arrogant as the american people,......"

WIZARD, GET OFF YOUR CROSS ALREADY, WE NEED THE DAMNED WOOD.

Ex President Clinton cited Brazil as a leader in alternative energy sources when he was campagining to pass a ballot iniative in California that would have imposed a tax on oil companies to support exploration of alternative sources of energy. I believe what he said was "if Brazil can do it, so can we". Brazil is the stand out leader with respect to alternative energy. The ballot iniative was defeated because the Oil companies spent huge amounts of money to squash it... thats what is wrong with our democracy, the lobbyists with deep pockets... and they succeeded.

It's articles like this that confirm not only many brazilians hatred and jealousy of the U.S. but also the ignorance that exists in Brazil. I think it's fair to say that this was an ACCIDENT. I don't know of any pilot that would purposefully want to crash into another plane and kill themselves and everyone involved, unless you are a terrorist, which plainly all pilots involved were not.

It is discouraging although after this accident when you see brazilians interviewed on tv and they make statements such as "if it was a brazilian he would be labeled a terrorist, blah, blah, blah".

Now that the reports have been concluded, by BRAZILIANS, and concluded there was no ERROR by anyone, what now?? An apology from those that jumped to conclusions before even doing an investigation?? YEAH, RIGHT!!! It's as easy getting an apology and admission of a mistake by a Brazilian as it is finding a home that's not surrounded by 15 foot walls and electrical fences with glass sticking out of the top in Brazil.

Kinda like the Jean Paul ordeal in London, brazilians came out of the woodwork to protest and scream "They killed a brazilian because he was a brazilian", lol, f**king idiots. What about the brazilian police (death squads) that go on rampages killing anyone and everyone? Where is your prideful indignation for them?? Oh so quickly forgotten!!!

And for an ex-con, uh-hum, sorry, meant ex-politician to write an article such as this, lol, don't throw stones in a glass house!

Well, while yankees may be accused of being arrogant, Brazilians can be 10 times more arrogant than them....
As a Brazilian woman living in the U.S. for the past 7 years, I have indeed to say that I prefer to live here in the US because I'm more respected here than in my own country.... I think Brazilians should focus more on making Brazil a better place to live than to spend their time criticizing the United States. Imagine if the so called arrogant yankees and the World War II allies hadn't won the big war..... Hello Brazilians! Remember Hitler's plans regarding South AMerica???????? Indeed........

And we are also harder on ourselves than our politicians would ever lead you to believe. We are taught in the US that the controler has the next to last say on where to fly. The pilot has final authority. That is how the two Yanks landed without direction. I don't for a minute think they are guilty of any crime, or of violating flight rules. Now if the controler said fly at 36000 and the pilots flew at 37000, the pilots would be wrong. Everything I've read to date says the us pilots acted properly. "Dark"territory exists in many parts of the world, the rules are the same for all of those areas: do what the controller told you to do, he has a bigger picture available than any one pilot. In closing, do take care of the place, a few of us still regard you as good nieghbors we'd like to visit.
George

I would just like to say that it truly makes me sick to see brazilians and americans arguing and being so petty. I am an american and have a brazilian wife. We have a house and farm in Kentucky and another house and farm in Rio Grande do Sul. Therefore, as anyone can see, I have deep ties to both countries. Therefore, I am not biased.

Some people have been going on about the air tragedy and trying to turn it into an american "imperialist" conspiracy, just as they try and do with many other issues. Well, we all know what these people are. They are just Petist, MST loving, lazy-ass quasi-socialist bums that want something for nothing. The reason I know this is because I know Brasil and all of the various regional mentalities throughout the country. I bet you that the "doctor" is a PT-loving Nordestino that is attached to Lula's bum.

Granted that many americans are somewhat arrogant, we are still moral people with good values. We work hard for everything that we receive. On the other hand, you have people like the "doctor", who used to be a respectable dep**ado (hehehehe- it doesn't exist) that want to bash us simply because of the fact that we have historically been more fortunate than certain other people throughout the world. We can't help it, it just happened because we worked hard.

Now, you take a look at Lula, his PT cronies and those Nordestino MST bums. What the hell have they ever worked for? Hell, Lula never worked in a real job for more than 6 months. When I visit the north and northeast of Brasil, I can truly see why many brazilians hate americans so much. With the exception of some educated, hard-working, respectable people, the place is full of lazy bums that don't even care to work to support their family and simply rely on Mulla's Bolsa Familia to bring food to the table. On the other hand, when I am in the southern states of Sao Paulo, Parana, Santa Catarina and Rio Grande do Sul, I see a lot of prosperity. That is due to the fact that PEOPLE IN THE SOUTH OF BRAZIL ACTUALLY WORK AND DON'T BLAME THEIR OWN SHORTCOMINGS AND GOVERNMENT SCREW-UPS ON THE "IMPERIALIST AMERICANS!" Those people are hard working, honest people who understand how the world works and are not brainwashed by Brasilia.

Hell, my wife always gets sick when she reads or hears about some of the stupid crap that these left-wing wanna bees try and say. She says that brazilians just do not really want to get involved in ttheir country and make things better. She says that brazilians do not know how to handle a deomcracy- that people screamedfor it after the military rule and now that they have it, they don't want to take the time to participate in a meaningful way. They just want something for nothing, so they vote Mulla back into office. Not that Bush is any better, but how in the hell could a country vote an uneducated burro like Lula back into office for a second term. Hell, he can't even speak proper portuguese. People accuse the "elites" and tucanos of having a preconcept of Lula because he comes from the northeast and is uneducated. Well, can you blame them. Any sane person would not want a freakshow like that running their country. But still, some pitiful people (Petistas and MST cronies) speak of him as if he is Jesus Christ and then vote him and the other bloodsuckers back into office. Maybe things in Brasil would run better with Medici back in office. I bet that people would not have to deal with the MST is he was back in the driver's seat.

I would just like to say that you people who are critical of the US should first try to resolve your problems at home before pointing your fingers up north. I love Brasil and the US equally, but I know where the problems lie. So, until you catch George Bush in the act of trying to sabotage Brasilia, quit blaming all you problems on us. Also, quit using all of this stupid quasi-socialist rhetoric. If you Petistas want to be like Castro or Chavez so much, then move to Cuba or Venezuela and let Brasil prosper and grow in peace.

Now that the facts are in, the title of this article should be changed to, " Brazil's worst air accident confirms what many of us already knew, It's NEVER a brazilians fault, blame anyone, everyone, and anything, as long as you are not held responsible and have to take responsibility for your own mistakes, it's all good!! And the Brazilian national motto, "Não foi eu" continues to thrive!!

To KYRS
Agree with you in full. Congratulations

Time for an apology to the US, and to the families and friends of the GOL victims from Mr. Lerer.

How arrogant to assume you are wise. Good job you did in showing how third world your country is. The evidence is in: Brazil's ATC screwed up with poor equipment, poor training and poor supervision. If I lived in Brazil, I'd have a constant eye to the sky so as to be ready to dodge the next plane the ATC crashes into the ground.

What about those poor souls and their surviving families and friends. No, just concern for the "poor" ATC people who brought down the plane. And what about the flippant comment about how well built the Brazilian Embraer is to bring down a Yankee Boeing? By way of analogy, If I slice your throat with a Brazilian knife (a knife is what the winglet effectively was for the 737), how much hope would your carotid arteries have??? Yes, what a good little Brazilian knife! How absurd!

Stupid and arrogant.

Ok, enough mud slinging. There are good thing and bad things to say about any society or nation. I'll try to explain this from a "neutral" point of view.
1) Irrigarless of what nationality of plain or passengers the fact is that two airplanes collided in mid air.
2) Even though most peole see the sky as an open ocean of air it's not. There are air traffic corridors just like a freeway in the sky. Commercial airplanes fly along these routes.
3) It's the pilots responsability to say on course as their assigned altitudes.
4) It's the pilots responsability for maintain a visual watch for other aircraft even if they are flying IFR.
5) The altitude an airplane must maintain is dictated in flight regulations and determined by the direction the airplane is flying.
6) Airplanes flying IFR tracking 000º to 179º must maintain flight in odd thousands of feet (25000, 27000, 29000, etc) note they are seperated by 2000ft intervals.
7 Airplanes flying IFR tracking 180º to 359º must maintain flight in even thousands of feet (25000, 28000, 30000, etc) note again the 2000ft intervals.

That means the Boeing 737-800, traveling from Manaus to Brasilia was on an easterly course between 000º and 179º and should have been flying in odd thousands of feet.(35000, 37000, 39000)
It also means the Legacy was traveling on a westerly course between 180º and 359º should have been flying in even thousands of feet (34000, 36000, 38000)
If they both were on course and maintaining the correct altitudes the collision would never have happened.

The collision happened at 37000ft which was correct for the Boeing.

If the Legacy had clearance to fly at 37000 feet it would be an error on the controllers part and should have been questioned by one or both of the Legacy pilots and never been flown.

Both planes were equiped with collision warning systems yet neither had them activated. Why?

Neither plane had contact with a control tower. Why?

Neither plane made visual contact. Why?

Any way you look at it the american pilots were at fault, even if the controller was at fault for clearing them to fly at that altitude and should be prosecuted. (yes, the controller should be prosecuted also)

Am I an American? Yes
Am I living in Brazil? Yes
Have I piloted a plane? Yes

In America Corruption has another name it's called political campaign contributions to Politicians..
We like to keep it sounding clean here in America