Brazzil

...could you please clarify the law that says in order to obtain a permanent residence in Brazil, one has to justify a monthly income of US$ 2000.-

It is also strange that the amount is fixed in a foreign and not local currency.
Furthermore US$ 50'000.- is low, but not the US$ 2000.- monthly income, knowing that the average salary in the 6 metropolitans cities is Reais 1046.- and this amount also represents the average salary in SP.

Thus you accept foreigners only if they can justify a foreign income of 4 times the average salaries of your wealthiest cities !!!!

On a lighter note, on a reciprocal term, since you like reciprocity, Europe or the USA, should ask Brazilians wishing to reside there around 100 times their own average salaries (knowing that US$ 50'000 is 100 average Brazilian salaries) for investment capital and 4 times their average salaries !!!!!! Correct ? Amount that should be yet multiplied by 2,5 if on an equivalent comparison of the Purchasing Power Parity ! Correct too ?
Why do you suddenly.....disagree ? smile
Of course we have to accept the illegals with no qualifications and you accept only those whose savings generates income 4 times your own average salaries ! In my view....someone is cheating.....in the reciprocity definition ! Laugh laugh

and if I have to justify a minimum of US$ 2000.- income, such income would be also subject to income tax at your highest rate of 25 or 27,5 % which t reduce my real Net income.

Unless it changed recently, Argentina request only a minimum monthly foreign income of US$ 1000.- and this despite that Argentina has a similar cost of living than Brazil.
In Philippines you get a permananent residence visa, if you put US$ 50'000.- in a Philippine bank for 6 months, but still bearing interests. Then you can withdraw legally this amount, invest it in a condo or use it and spend itas it pleases you. No obligation to invest in a business or create a minimum number of jobs !
Better yet, all foreign income, whatever the amount is, is NOT taxed ! Thus someone with US$ 2000.- or more will have the life of a prince, Philippine living costs being much cheaper than Brazil !
In Thailand, you can remain as tourist for life, provided you leave the country every 90 days. You can re-enter the next day or in 2 days if you wish. By doing so you dont need an income justification and are not subject to any income tax, regardless if your income is higher or lower than US$ 2000.- or whatever ! There too you can buy a condo even as as tourist !!!

In my view, the above 3 countries, just to name a few are a better places, cheaper places, with far less violence, and their population welcoming much warmer the foreigners wishing to emigrate elsewhere than in Brazil !

Conclusion : Brazil is not competitive in many comparisons factors.

Quite unfortunate because you will miss the millions and millions of baby boomers that will chose to emigrate, starting mostly in 2008.

Even Morocco warmly welcomes foreigners. Not only their local goverenments helps you with all the administrative formalities, but you make special deals for your foreign income at a much reduced rate than the official tax rate. And the cost of living is probably half of what is is in Brazil !
Santo Domingo Republic too dont bother foreigners....with taxes on foreign incomes !!!

Therefore, unless there is a love romance with a Brasilian or a specific reason, why should someone chose
Brazil and not another country ?

Please explain the Brazilian advantages compared to other countries mentionned above !

My wife married me almost one decade. Then last year, we decided to move and I landed in Brazil. Even with all papers on her hand, my sweeth father needed to sponser her.
She lives here in this paradise 11 months and she has a labour card, a social insurance number and a strip paper which state that she is permanent resident and so far her ID is not ready. However, she knows that here is the land of the opportunity since brazilian are so stupid.

The problem is that it´s difficult to plan ahead because policies are subject to abrupt changes. A few years ago there was a favorable tax rate (low) on imported cars, and dealerships sprang up everywhere. Then all of a sudden the tax rate on foreign vehicle importation was raised exponentially. Lots of dealers lost their shirts. Without guarantees, let the buyer beware.

The bloody country is rotten to the bone marrow! Any law here is a joke because it all depends on interpretation. Bad a bad joke that is. Because the common man is always the loser. Bring your 50K over at your own peril!

Reading the authorship, now I realized this is an advertorial! The Fidelis Group do Brasil Consultoria, Ltda is just a despachante outfit. Those outfits charge you money to interprete the byzantine and cumbersome laws to you. The laws and regulations are made difficult be followed on purpose to give despachnates a way of living.

In Malaysia you send an email and you get the information in plain English. Brazil is competitive only for the guy who comes here with rose tinted glasses. Those naive will be fleeced big time.

Brasileiros, falemos somente o português e deixemos esses gringos se virarem com tradutores pela rede mundial, se assim quiserem. Assim podemos conversar livremente e comentar as asnices aqui escritas por eles. Esse site não pode ser sério ao permitir coisas como bem exemplificados nesses comentários. Isso não é apenas ofensivo de uma forma inocente, mas sim proposital. O intuito desse site é denegrir a imagem do Brasil e de seu povo, portanto gastar tempo e saliva argumentando é inútil.

Escrevamos somente o português para que outros brasileiros não se iludam ao visitar o site, e deixemo-los na escuridão de sua própria ignorância.

Good lord willing we will arrive in 5 or 6 years. For now, time is against us due to other commitments and the fact that the rules may change for the worse. We would gladly put plunk down 50K (if you believe the representation of option 1) as well as some hard work toward creating a self-sustaining enterprise for 6 to 8 families located in the suburbs (where the jobs and lift up in life is needed). This is enough? Not likely. Probably would have to sell off the beach house (purchased with other funds) in order to pay off a few folks and pad the employee roster to get the visa renewal. If it can not be achieved honestly we simply can not do it.

Roberto Carlos - don't know where your really at. ID card in 8 to 12 months is normal.

ch. c. - check again, I think the 2K per month you are talking about is for certified pension income / minimum guaranteed bank transfer into the country for retirees changing permanant residence. That visa does not require renewal under ill defined terms after 5 years. If you manage to get investador status instead and work in your own business it's probably better it you pay yourself nothing and arrange to wire yourself what you need to live on each month.

By the way, marriage in Brazil is not all that easy. In particular, if you are a foreigner who is divorced, your foreign divorce must be "homologado" by one of the Supremo Tribunals in Brasília. That is a pain in the neck and takes some time. Furthermore, the documents you must bring to the cartorio differ depending on the country you are from.

And if you have education abroad the revalidation is another big story. I have 3 pos secondary education abroad and I can not use here in Brazil. I am lucky that I got a undergraduated and a graduated education at PhD level in Brazil. Other wise, I will in a big trouble. My wife did vestibular with not know portuguese and she was approved. However, she could not be accepted since her high school diploma abroad was not stamped by Brazilian consulate. She only stamped her 2 undergraduated programs and degrees. Undergraduated degree abroad is not document that proves that a person can be accepted in a university in brazil, you must have a high school.

FOR A LOT LESS YOU CAN GET INTO CUBA

it is going to be much more easy when Castro dies , dont know what chaves and lula will do then with out the master

any way go to mexico get a pass to cuba , no passport , you can buy land build a business , live well on 500 a mounth US

island of youth is very nice , any where along the south coast is very nice also the north weastern coast is very good and a short boat trip to mexico

Yesss you are right ! It remains that they expect foreigners to bring to the country 4 times their average monthly income !!!!!!!
In my view this is what the USA and EU should ask to brazilians too : 4 times the USA or EU monthly income.
That is reciprocity that Brazilians expect. Right ? Then we could send back the 2 millions illegal Brazilians in the USA and apparently the 600'000 in the EU back home......packed in containers !!!!! laugh
Furthermore the 50K/10 jobs is a joke anyway ! Simply because you cant have an enterprise/shop/restaurant that would cost 50 K and be large enough for 10 employees.

As I said...it is so much better elsewhere with so much less problems ! From the various posts, it looks like I am not so wrong !!!!!

Concerning Cuba...are you so sure ?
I was told that foreigners cannot buy land/real estate that easily ! I was told too that some condos could be bought but for a relatively high price and in some areas only.
Thank you for your infos.

Yes you can buy but then again it is sort of like brasil if they see gringo .
well add more , there are several people from canada there that do the land deal .

but you will be better off using euros as castro has band dollars for use in cuba
but black market still does .

i know of one man who moved a hole cuban family to the US so he could get there land
poor them he took them to porto rico

they do have zones but different paper work

if castro dies his brother raul will be more helpfull in the needs of his country and relax the laws
and if the US will drop its rules

cuba is 850 miles of very nice island .
and food if you like things cooked in lard

The Fidelis Group is a legal consultancy offering legal advice and consulting services through lawyers and consultants qualified in their jurisdiction of practice including the U.S. and Brazil. We work with multinational companies, international executives and individual investors interested in doing business and/or investing in Brazil or the U.S. This article was prepared to provide clarify in an area of the law in Brazil where there is much confusion and noise. Unlike many things in Brazil, obtaining a “permanent” visa by investing in Brazil is fairly straight forward, despite the confusion that nonetheless abounds on the internet about the process. Like many things in Brazil the process of obtaining such a visa involves several steps and various registrations, which can be bewildering and at times frustrating. As part of our legal and consultancy services, The Fidelis Group does assist individual investors as an ancillary service with processing the visa application and steps related thereto, allowing such investors to focus on their business, rather than the with navigating the red tape of the Brazilian legal system.

You just give a small view .

dont say a thing about price per hour .

no cure no pay

and the law in brasil is up to the money no you .

Obrigado Mssr brown - "the law in brasil is up to the money" but maybe not entirely. If you have much patience and time and come back next day, next week, next month, go one other place and start the process all over again, et cetera, it can probably be done otherwise. Nothing is free. These people might make things a little bit smoother / quicker for not too much more. "no cure no pay" in realestate purchase is up to the buyer to be sure to require from the registered agent and seller in very certain and explicit detail. Your own lawyer, just like everywhere on the planet, still gets "price per hour" or other pre-negociated fee paid even if things do not work out.

I have been in court for 3 1/2 years in brasil spent $7.500 dollars for the last so called laywer 1 case 16 hours of billed time and then he quits .

and al the others $350 dollars an hour not reals but dallors .

for what i have spent seaking justic in brasil i could have had them all killed and still been able to but a house on the beach

and no you can get laywers in the U.S . for a 40 % and no money up frount .only pay when the money comes in .

and as far as time goes 3 years for a simple burgley case with witness saying they bought my equpiment from them and not just 1 but 8 and then the laywer for the poor brasilians makes me prove with recits it was mine in the first place , but if the poor brasilian did not have to show proof he was the owner of what he was selling .
and then the judge let them off as the jails were full .

then on the case that the goverment is involved i get too late on time , need all things written in pourtgues , and have to pay for every single form and still get told no .

and when i do a dive job or build a boat if i do not finish the job to your written satifaction i will expect no pay . can you say that in your work !!!!!

AS YOU MAY HAVE GUSSED BY KNOW I HAVE NO RESPECT OF THE POLICE , GOVERMENT OR LAYWERS IN BRASIL , THE COUNTRY WOULD BE MUCH BETTER OFF IF THEY WOULD ALL JUST BE KILLED OFF

Obrigado mais um tempo Mssr brown. I had a feeling you had much more to let people see.

Four years / five years to finish with the judge (simple court matters) - seems this may be normale.

If there is no money on one side, some thing can not be shown certo on one side, there is no admission of anything on one side (better for you say nothing in front of the judge but it's not like pleading the 5th) ... better not count on recovery. If there is more money on the other side, sometimes it is the same.

As to times, forms, official translation to PT, etc. - impossible to escape. If your time frame is short either to start or to finish maybe it's better to forget it. If you get caught, something goes wrong, someone tells someone else to make a problem for you, bad luck in getting burlarized or robbed, etc., it will not matter that you did good honest work and paid all the bills and taxes.

Yes, the lawyers is a problem everywhere, just different depending where you are. The solution is the same everywhere - very famous saying - First ... all the lawyers. Government beauracracy, less than helpful and efficient civil servants, ... - don't worry, be happy, it's only time and money for what you no have.

YES TIME IS RUNNING OUT

for the brasilians that did this to me as i am going the way the brasilians go
eye for eye and i dont care if they are police or goverment officals

all i am told it is a civil matter so i am going to get civil on them
let see if they like having all there property stolen and there home taken awat from then and loose there jobs

is much cheeper then going back to court
and will look good reading the news papers

the rest of the natation should do the same thing to all the congress men and senadors
$26,000 reals a month for pay . $18.000 a month retirment for goverment empoleys ,.
while the rest of the country only makes $350 a month to $600 a month and to retire CPF money is $78 reals

I would not blame any brasilian for trying to leave brasil to go to work in any other country to get out of that place

The whore is sour… The bitch is ovulating… Nothing that a good old tampon won’t shut her a$$ up!

Mooooo

so you are saying that brasil is a cow .
and we should shove what up its govermental

bunda

"Brasileiros, falemos somente o português e deixemos esses gringos se virarem com tradutores pela rede mundial"

How's that working out for you Brazilian Woman? How does it feel to be utterly and completely ignorned? LMAO!! You're a sad little idiot but you keep trying, ok?

For those of you complaining about $50k in Brazil, in the US one can get a similar type of visa if they invest US one million dollars into a business. Just check immigration law.

Permenant residency in Brazil

You are able to buy a property in Brazil as a tourist without any problems but if you wish to stay here for a lengthy period the immigration laws are an obstacle.You can enter the country on a tourist visa and get 180days(6 months)within the given year,after which you must leave or remain illegally.As a tourist you are not permited to find work or earn an income so economic opportunities are very limited.It is also virtually impossible(unlike other countries)to get an employment visa here,unless you are sponsored by an overseas company.You are able to gain permenant residency by marrying a brazilian citizen or having a child in Brazil.Both options are a little drastic for people merely wanting to live in the country.Alas there is a way!I know because I did it
If you decide to invest in property here you can send a minimum amount of $50,000(money to buy the house) to the central bank of Brazil and secure an investors visa lasting for 5 years.
The basic steps are….)register a Brazilian business
)set up a Brazilian bank account
)transfer $50,000to your account
)travel abroad to pick up your visa
You will need to submit documents and pay various government taxes,fees but this is the basic procedure.Information is hard to come by but I found a few websites and lawyers here who offer to perform this service for $4-5000.I thought that was far too expensive a price just to live in Brazil so I searched high and low for another way.If you want to invest live, and operate a business or find employment, I can find you a cheaper,reliable and trustworthy agency In Natal that can get you the 5 year visa for only $1500.This price includes my step by step guidance of what you need to do. Ill be available to hold your hand and answer any of your queries with speed and certainty because I have first hand experience of this process as a foreigner.If you need more information or have any other questions regarding this Brazilian investors visa,do not heasitate to contact me.

The information brought as it is, is not quite true; in other words, "Fallacy based on erroneous assumptions"!!!
I am an attorney in international private law (such as Immigration and marriages with foreigners since 1987) and can assure whoever reads that should know that apparent “easiness” has always to obey to rules, regulations and laws made for that purpose.

Este site definitivamente um lixo!!!!

Fodam-se esses gringos de merda ! Cambada de barrigudo viado

Brazilians - the above is true. FACE it. But to be honest it is out of your control. That is what the real problem in brazil is
Americans - the world hates you anyway. Good on the brazilians in keeping you out. Stay in the US and get fat. And by the way you IDIOTS learn to spell!!!

A Brit

I think first anyone willing to invest just for a visa in Brazil needs to understand why they want a permanent visa in Brazil in the first place. Brazil is a good country but not the best place in the world. It is subject to capital flight, like we just witness in thailand. If you are a true investor looking to increase your capital than this law is not for you. If you love brazil and have no other means of living there than $50,000 is the best option.

Some-one is right. The rest of the world hates the U.S. Even some Britons, it seems. And what is frustrating is that the Americans don´t care. Except for the liberal elite. They care. But their numbers are few. As in maybe dozens.

But isn´t there a way that this hatred toward the U.S. could be turned into a money-making opportunity? They hate us anyway, making more money isn´t going to change anything. But surely there´s a silver lining here somewhere. Garbage is everywhere, it´s ubiquitous, and people make money on recycling it. What can be done to turn xenophobic hatred into dollars?

... and you should learn proper punctuation.

The first question is: with so many countries in the world, why would you want a permanent investor visa in brazil? For $50,000 you can move to the Guianas, Europe and other countries. If you really want to reside and South America, then settle for CHILE. Chile rules. It's modern, doesn't have all the crap you find in Brazil and you won't get screwed. Chile is a great country.

The rest of the world doesn't hate the U.S.A. What a bunch of bull. Without the U.S.A. most countries export would perish. Nonsense.

I don't think ALL Brasileiros hate Americans..I myself have met some pretty wonderful Brazilians that have been great to me.
And if so many Brazilians hate Americans or the USA, then why do so many want to live here whether legally or illegally?
There are many that have lived here legally for many, many years and would prefer not to ever go back to Brasil to live.
So why bash Americans who want to live there? I have visited the country twice and loved the time there with those that I knew and those that I had just met while there.
I even thought it would be great to live there someday. But then you read all of these comments here and how much Americans are hated, etc. And it makes you wonder...

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I am married to a wonderful Brasilian woman. Brasil is a beautiful country, but when I visited there for 6 months, each month I had to renew my "6 month" visa. The bureaucracy does not want Americans, only their money. We will live in the USA. Unfortunately, we are finding that US Immigration is just as bad as the Brasilian bureaucracy.

Mariene, how can one get in touch with you? I am possibility looking for some legal advice.

Thank you
nyyght@yahoo.com

it is a paradox isn,t it, the majority of braziians in the us are illegal aliens...actually second to illegal mexicans followed by smaller numbers of other foreign nationals from the world... document fraud, identity theft , and a host of law breaking activities goes with the territory of being not authorized to be in the us...traffickers based in their countries of origin and their fellow alien facilitators in the us provide documents, and guide the illegals through ways to skirt laws , receive free social service ... avoid tax laws, commit fraud etc... essentially create a underground economy... of course americans are aware of this ... and as the majority of americans oppose any amnesty what so ever of the illegal alien issue...america is not keen on importing criminal foreign nationals, border crossers, fraudelent document holders,anti-american foreigners with no regard for our laws,...under these realitys the majority of americans do not want this to continue and want enforcement...

What may not be known to many is that there are Brazilians both in Brazil and in the states who went to the US illegally, and with the help of crooked doctors were able, after getting into the Social Security system, to successfully file false claims of disablity. Now they draw monthly checks from the American government, but are in good health. The American system was designed with the assumption that most people are honest and they can´t keep up with the fraud.

i love brazil. in fact, i've decided to go there for the birth of my child... so that our family may have the freedom to live in brazil... work.... study... own property.... there is ugliness and beauty in all the world. but, i have chosen brasil as the exceptional place of my own dreams.

eu amo brasil. na verdade, eu tenho decidido ir pra la pra o nacimento do meu bebe... pra que nossa familia possa ter a liberdade de viver no brasil... trabalhar... estudar... ter casa... ha coisas feias e coisas belas por todo o mundo. mas, eu tenho escolhido brasil como o lugar dos meus sonhos.

How many of these investment Visa's are actually available and granted each year? I am looking to invest in Rural property to run an organic farm near Rio De Janeiro.

Beautifully said Elizabeth, that's exactly right. I believe that there is no such thing as cultures, different countries when you look at a human being for who they are. We are all brothers and sisters and our differences are only what we make them, we all have the same blood pumping in our veins
Deus abencoe

Esse cara que diz la em cima " my wife" deve ser um misogeno gringo ele que va plantar amedoin no EUA :

"What can be done to turn xenophobic hatred into dollars?"

Firstly, you'd want to teach your children physics in high-school so that they understand the law of least resistance of falling objects. Also, you'd want to teach them a little thermodynamics, like how pot-belly stoves don't melt from their fire and how likewise the once tallest towers in the world don't melt from open-combustion fires.

You'd also like to teach them logic - how fro example, that fact that the towers and WTC7 were brought down with explosives infers that 9/11 was a false-flag operation. You guys also might want to teach them basic statistical inference - For example, 2% of Americans are Jews and yet 70% of billionaires in the US are jewish. Speaks for itself.

I have grown up in england and now look to move to northeast Brazil to escape a country whose policies I entirely condemn, and embrace a country that I believe has everything going for it.
We will all agree that western governments' actions are tarnishing the rep**ation of the very people who make up those nations and causing a huge exodus to far off shores.

This residence scheme is fantastic for foreigners because we can come and live in Brazil without worrying about visa constraints. I also understand that after 4 years one can apply for a Brazilian passport, something which I am very keen for.

It does come with a price tag but that is only the price of the beach house or farm. Some of us really want to become Brazilian.

Eu, pessoalmente, aprendi portugues cuando morava no Rio, e agora estou namorado per o pais, o povo o ambeinte, o modo de pensar, o sol, a festa.

Claro que tem capitalistas que fazem ruim, mas voces brasileiros tem que imaginar o bem dessa imigracao, e compreender por que alguns ingleses queramos estar mais longe de nosso pais de origem que posivel. falado!

viva brasil e seu povo!

We need only glance through this forum to understand why.

Brasil, as elsewhere in the world, has every right to determine its immigration procedures and foreign investment policies. That is, for the benefit of the Brasilian people, not for the benefit of any potential investors. This bien pensant is deemed to be both rightful and reasonable by free thinking citizens around the globe, with one notable exception; in the good ol' US of A, it seems the culturally defunct and terminally ignorant Yanks continue to labour under the misapprehension that one wave of a grubby green wedge should be sufficient to entitle their rights over and above everything else.

Mercifully, the Brasilian authorities appear not to be yielding to this particular brand of fiscal facism, and rightly so. If one chooses to make an investment in Brasil one does so in full knowledge of the culture and the laws of the land; and with due deference to them. If one is not prepared to make such a commitment then one chooses not to invest. It really is as simple as that.

Hopefully, given time, the Yanks might eventually grasp the concept. But I'm not holding my breath...