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Through Globo TV Lenses Brazil Is a White Dreamland PDF Print E-mail
Written by Mark Wells   
Thursday, 18 January 2007 23:32

A Brazilian Globo TV network soap opera For approximately a year now I have been a subscriber to Rede Globo Internacional channel that is available through Dish Network. As I wasn't able to visit Brazil in all of the year 2005, I thought it would be nice to be able to take a peek into a big slice of Brazilian culture on a daily basis.

While I had taken in a bit of Rede Globo's TV programming on my previous five trips to Brazil, while there, watching television is something that I only did in the first part of the morning or in the waning hours of the night.

After watching Rede Globo programming for over a year, I can say that I can understand why the television giant has the fourth largest television market behind the big three of the United States, I can also say I understand why so many Movimento Negro activists have claimed that watching TV in Brazil is like watching television in Sweden.

For a country that proclaims its pride in being a mixed race nation, one could never tell from watching its television programming. Where are all of the faces of five centuries of mestiçagem?

In his study of the history of race in Brazilian movies, NYU professor Robert Stam concluded that Brazilian cinema "projected a vision of Brazil as a tropical branch of European civilization." (1).

After a few months of research, I would have to say that this also applies to Brazil's television programs as well as its mainstream print media. To be fair, I can't say with any certainty that the majority of the faces that I've seen on Rede Globo aren't genetically of mixed race, but I can say that the overwhelming majority of those faces look more European than anything else. To put it more bluntly, it's almost a complete blackout.
 
This is not to say that I don't enjoy some of Rede Globo's programming. Most of the programs are quite professional looking, colorful, entertaining and features a charismatic line-up of personalities.

While I can't say that I am an avid watcher of some of Rede Globo's popular novelas (Bang Bang, America, etc.), I am a fairly regular viewer of variety shows such Domingão do Faustão, Programa do Jô, Altas Horas, and Caldeirão do Huck.

Novelas such as JK and America were important because they portrayed the live of one of Brazil's most important political figures (president Juscelino Kubitschek de Oliveira) as well as the struggle of the Brazilian immigrant trying to make it in the US.

But the role of television in the lives of people around the world is more than just that of entertainment. It informs, educates and gives a view of the news, people and events that affect our lives. Television can shape one's opinion and influence the way that one sees the world. The television can act as both a mirror and an eye.

The television can not only reflect how we believe the world to be, how it is, but also how we desire it to be. It is both fantasy and reality. Taken from this point of view, which is it that Brazilian television is attempting to show? Perhaps it is both. And for my analysis I will take a look at the fantasy as well as the reality.
 
As I have written and many of us already know, at the end of the slave era in Brazil, elites believed that in order for Brazil to be taken seriously as a progressive country, its people had to become whiter. This whiteness was to be achieved in two ways; the mass importation of Europeans from various countries and through the process of race mixing.

As African descent peoples outnumbered white Brazilians by a ratio of about three to two near the end of the 19th century, predictions were being made as to how long the whitening (embranqueamento) process would take for Brazil to be hailed as a white nation.

Looking at Brazil's population today, it doesn't appear that the predictions were quite right. If one were to believe census reports, whites make up 54% of the Brazilian population with the majority of the remaining 46% being a mixture of Brazil's original three people: the Indian, the African and the European. Again, that is if one were to believe census reports.
 
In reality, no one can say what the country's racial composition really is. There are those who believe that very few Brazilians actually match up to what North Americans or Europeans would accept as white. There are those who believe that the country is made up of a majority of African descent people of varying phenotypes.

Just to get an idea of how daunting a task of getting an accurate count of who is what, a recent study showed that 30% of the people in a survey who self-declared themselves to be pardos (mulato or mixed race) were identified as pretos (black) by the interviewer. In a similar twist, 30% of those who self-declared themselves to be brancos (white) were identified as pardos by the interviewer (2).

Back in 2004, I remember walking the streets with one of the daughters of my host family in Bahia. She was light-skinned, but considered herself to be black (negra). I asked her if she had ever dated a white guy before. She said no.

As we continued walking the streets, she gave the typically Brazilian kiss on each cheek to a guy I thought would be considered white by Brazilian standards (although not American). As we continued walking, she told me that the guy had been her boyfriend once upon a time.

I then reminded her that she said that she had never dated a white guy before. She confirmed that she hadn't. And "what about that guy", I asked. She then stopped walking as she turned to me to make her point. "Listen, I spent a whole year living in Germany, so I KNOW what real white people look like."

Thus, when one speaks of race with Brazilians, it is necessary to understand what their social constructions of whiteness and blackness are. Depending on the person's social conscious/construction, someone like singer Caetano Veloso could be considered white, mestiço or what some call "Brazilian white." (3)
 
It is this complex manner of classifying individuals by race that became a hot topic when the idea of quotas for Afro-Brazilians to get into Brazilian universities became a highly-debated question on forums and Internet sites. All over the web, people argued about to define who was black or white.

To be truthful, it was more intriguing to me to know who was considered preto/negro (black) and who was considered pardo/mulato (generally, a person of mixed African descent). After all, how mixed would a person have to be to be considered mixed? One drop of non-African ancestry? Can a person still be considered white if they had a considerable percentage of African or Indian ancestry?

Then we have to consider the idea that Brazilians supposedly define themselves more by appearance than by ancestry. (4) I won't linger on these often debated topics here but some of these questions and ideas will periodically appear throughout this essay. There is one specific idea that I've always found to be a contradiction in the Brazilian imagination: if everyone claims to be mixed, why do the majority of people declare themselves to be white on census forms?

If everyone is indeed mixed and are proud of this mixture, shouldn't ALL Brazilians declare themselves to be pardos or more accurately, mestiços? Looking at Brazilian television through the lens of Rede Globo led me to investigate the intricate details, contradictions and complexities of whiteness from the Brazilian perspective.
 
Over the past few years, many people have denounced what they consider to be an imperialist American idea of race-based Affirmative Action policies as well as a US-modeled bipolar scheme of racial classification.

While I agree that the history of racial mixing is deeper in Brazil than in the US, the bottom line is that the color of success and power in Brazil is white or something that is close to white.

In this line of reasoning, one is either white or they are not. This is not simply the idea of an American who is trying to impose his views on an entire country; it is the way Brazil chooses to see itself and the way it wants to be represented to the world. When one takes an honest look at the racial hierarchy that Brazil has set up for itself, this becomes unquestionably true.

Take Rede Globo for instance; anyone who has access to this channel should try this test. Imagine that you are watching this channel from outside of Brazil and the channel was said to be representative of Brazil's racial composition. Would you get the idea that Brazil was a mixed race country? Count for yourself how many non-white faces you saw on the network for that week.

Ask yourself, when you did see non-white faces on the channel, how were they portrayed? Were they musicians? Soccer players? How many non-white news anchors did you see? How many program hosts? Were the non-white actors in subservient positions? Maids, slaves, sex objects? Did they provide comic relief? These are some of the typical roles portrayed by non-white people when featured on the Rede Globo channel.
 
Preto/Pardo, Negro/Mulato: Is there really a significant difference?
 
These roles appear to be so deeply ingrained in the Brazilian conscious that they hardly strike people as being demeaning. Perhaps this is why so many voices from the Brazilian black women's movement have voiced objection to the portrayals of black women being beat up and raped in the miniseries JK. (5)

Regardless of attempts of Brazilian intellectuals to paint a picture of Brazil's slavery era being less violent than that of the US, the fact remains that the history of mestiçagem has in reality been the continued rape and sexual exploitation of black women.

One of the progenitors of the famed Brazilian "racial democracy" myth, Gilberto Freyre himself tells us that "it was the bodies of the black girls, sometimes 10-year old girls...that freed white women from sexual assault." (6)

As a matter of fact, the virginity and chastity of white women during the colonization of Brazil was protected through the prostitution of the black female slave. This exploitation of the black female body is a legacy that has continued today in several ways.

Take for example the flyers and catalogs featuring brown-skinned Baianas that are given to European male tourists who come to Brazil in search of "ethnic" prostitution and sexual commerce (7). This representation of afrodescendente women proves that the words of French anthropologist/sociologist Roger Bastide still hold true today.

Having devoted a part of his career to the study of Afrocentricities in Brazil, Bastide, speaking on miscegenation, wrote that the extramarital affairs that were common in Brazil "effectively reduced an entire race to the level of prostitutes" (8).
 
As a matter a fact, in direct opposition to the idea that miscegenation proves the absence of racism, Bastide points out that the relationship between the dominant and the dominated actually makes prejudice more visible. (9) As the woman of color (i.e. negra or mulata) is considered a simple object of sexual desire and not a future mate (10), the underlying sexual valuation of the negra or mulata woman emphasizes another form of discrimination (11) because the negra or mulata is ultimately considered inferior to the white woman. (12)

Perhaps this is part of the reason one so rarely sees so many of Brazil's afrodescendente soccer stars married to women of color. This ideal of the Brazil's afrodescendente women having value only for work or sex permeates every realm of Brazilian society, including its literature.

Speaking of Brazil's world famous author Jorge Amado, Teófilo de Queiroz Júnior affirms that Amado exalts mulatas "physically, without conceding respectability to them or recognizing their value for matrimony." (13)

Lest we still have confusion as to what type of women we are speaking of when we say mulata, a verbal exchange between an American journalist and a Brazilian cab driver should clear this up. Charles Martin was riding in a cab in Rio de Janeiro when the cab driver (who was white) asked if he'd had the chance to know Brazil's mulatas. Martin tells the story this way:
 
"As I had been asked so many times by so many people about the country's mulatas, this time I answered differently. I told him that I did know some, but that I knew some in the U.S. as well. He said the two were different. I said that the essential distinction I saw was national culture, and that in either place, the women simply were black women. The driver insisted no. I asked: what is the mulata? She is not white. She is not dark black.

"Thus, she is like many black women in the U.S. (but here, they have not been seen as a particular sexual class since the old formal balls of New Orleans where quadroons and octoroons were gathered to become long- or short-term mistresses to white men of means).

"The driver, somewhat exasperated, insisted that there was a difference and that the Brazilian women were not black. I said that surely "mulata" meant something far more specific than "non-white." He wasn't talking about Japanese women, for example, was he? No, he was talking about women who were black.

"Disgusted, the driver conceded that, yes, black blood was the special ingredient that made the mulata. He went on to say that the difference between Americans and Brazilians is that Brazilians made use of a polite term, mulata, while Americans used gross ones, such as black." (14)

Note again the repugnance associated with the term black. Brazilian painter Emiliano Di Cavalcanti gained famed for his portrayals of the mulata. In an interview he once explained his fascination with this type of woman:
 
"I've always had an immense passion for the mulatas. Her plasticity, the sensuality inherent in the black race and that sad look enchanted me. (15)

Thus, as I have argued before, the term mulata is but a certain type of afrodescendente woman. She is usually not as dark as say, Sudanese model Alek Wek, but her complexion can span from the light-brown color of actress Camila Pitanga to the medium brown complexion of singer Paula Lima. The key here is that she is considered to be sensuous and very attractive.

Thus, as I wrote in a previous article, mulata carries a certain sexual connotation in its description of the negra-mestiça: she is considered more attractive than the preta woman but her status as an inferior has historically given white men the "license" to exploit, degrade and abandon her.
 
In some ways, the term mulata is similar to the term "brown sugar" that has been applied to African-American women. Millions of music fans are no doubt familiar with the infamous Rolling Stones song of the same name, an ode to slave era sexual relations. The term also recently caused a stir in Garry Trudeau's Doonesbury comic strip in which George W. Bush was made to call Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice brown sugar bringing to the fore "the painful stereotype of the black woman as a hot-blooded minx," (16)

For those who don't have the cultural background to understand the difference between a preta and a mulata, the difference can be sometimes subtle, sometimes more obvious. A good example could be found on the 1970s CBS sitcom Good Times, in which actress Ester Rolle played Florida Evans (preta) while Bern Nadette Stanis played daughter Thelma (mulata).
 
In short, there are millions of African-American women who regard themselves as black women who would be considered mulatas in Brazil. In 1970s Brazilian advertisements, American singers Donna Summer and Diana Ross were often referred to as mulatas. (17) To be more specific, a mulata is an attractive woman of African descent possessing some physical markers of miscegenation, either immediate or distant. A mulata can have light to medium brown skin with shoulder length or longer hair.
 
The concept of hair texture and length is an important attribute when defining whether a woman is negra or mulata. Anthropologist Nilma Lino Gomes has done extensive research on the significance of hair in the construction of black identity in Brazil. She notes how a negra can instantly become a mulata by simply changing her hairstyle. Hair weaves and extensions have become more and more popular amongst Afro-Brazilian women as the price becomes more affordable.

Gomes herself notes that when she wears her own hair in its natural state or in braids, white and black men refer to her as crioula, negra or negona. When she wears the weave, men call her morena, morena linda (pretty brown-skinned girl) or mulata. (18) As I reported on my first trip to Bahia in 2000, some black women feel that wearing a weave is the only way for a black woman to attract a man. (19)
 
I will also analyze this significance of hair through a nasty little fight that occurred on the fourth installment of the popular reality show Big Brother Brasil back in 2004. On one episode of Big Brother Brasil 4, two female participants, Solange and Marcela, got into an altercation that led an exchange of verbal insults.

As the argument ensued, Solange Couto (black girl), told Marcela Queiroz (white girl) that she had a "droopy butt (bunda caída)". Marcela, in turn, replied "at least I don't have that nappy hair!" (20)

Later, Queiroz was eliminated from the show, and in her opinion, it was because of her fight with Couto. Days later, she would proclaim herself "not a racist" because in the heat of the argument, she had attacked Couto's weak spot, knowing that it would bother her. In defending the idea that she was not racist, Queiroz mentioned that she didn't say anything about Couto in reference to her color. (21)
 
Apparently, Queiroz didn't know that, historically, in Brazil, as in the rest of the world, skin color, as well as hair texture, has been used as targets against the afrodescendente as a mark of his/her inferiority in comparison to the universally-accepted European beauty standard.

On the other hand, it appears that Queiroz had to know this for the simple fact that she used it as a means of insulting her opponent. In the verbal insult, a person will always attack a socially unacceptable attribute of the other person. Typical insults have to do with a person's physical appearance or ethnic origin.
 
While I am on the subject of Big Brother Brasil 4's Solange, I would also like to bring to the fore the virulent attacks she received from viewers of the show who proceeded to post their opinions online. During the run of the show's fourth installment on Rede Globo, there appeared an online blog called "Eu Odeio a Solange (I Hate Solange)".

On the infamous blog-page, next to a photo of a seemingly frustrated Solange, appeared a photo of a cartoon monkey standing on top of the letter "e" in Solange's name. To make matters worse, there was also a photo of the trademark character of Assolan (22), a nationally-recognized Brazilian brand of steel wool scouring pads used to scrub dirty dishes.

On the blog, Solange's name was fused with that of the scrubbing pad to create the word Assolange. So what does the Assolan product have to do with Solange from the reality show? Another widely used insult against the Brazilian afrodescendente is the idea that they have "cabelo de bombril" or steel-wire hair.
 
Insults such "cabelo de bombril" or "nega do cabelo duro (23) (black woman with the hard hair)" are insults so common that one can readily reference them online with a simple Google search. The point here is, terms such "cabelo de bombril" or perhaps even more common, "cabelo ruim (bad hair)" are so deeply ingrained, recognized and accepted in Brazilian society that it doesn't always appear to be an insult.

From the non-racist argument, how could it be racist if everyone accepts it to be true? Whites, as well blacks themselves will use the term from time to time. Thus, in the eyes of the country, Queiroz can legitimately stake a claim when she lamented that she "was not racist in any moment" and that now "everybody with bad hair ("cabelo ruim") will file a lawsuit." (24) 

In recent years, racist ideas and opinions that have been posted online on Brazilian websites have been more closely monitored and the blog-page entitled "Eu Odeio a Solange" was shut down soon after it was discovered.
 
(Returning to the previous discussion....)
 
While the use of the term mulata may denote a certain type of afrodescendente woman in the eyes of some, it can also inhibit the development of a specifically black identity. As the actual meaning of mulata denotes a woman of mixed African/European ancestry, it also represents a step closer to the white ideal and, just as important, a step away from blackness.

By referring to all attractive afrodescendente women as mulatas (or morenas), Brazilian society erases the possibility of the terms negra/negro being synonymous with beauty. As a result, many would-be negras in fact reject the term negra. Referring back to the cab driver incident, who would want to be called something "gross" like "negra"?
 
The terms mulata and negra have not only sexual connotations, but also represent a certain "place" in Brazilian society. For instance, traditionally, middle-upper class white Brazilian families have often "adopted" young negras or mulatas from lower class backgrounds and trained them to take care of the household, cook the meals, and help in raising the children.

As these girls grew older, they were also to serve as sexual initiation of the young boys in the household. This type of arrangement caused a controversy in 2003 when Rede Globo aired its soap opera Mulheres Apaixonadas.

In protest against an episode in which the character Carlinhos (Daniel Zettel) attempted to lose his virginity to the (black) domestic servant Zilda (Roberta Rodrigues), the Sindicato dos Trabalhadores Domésticos (Syndicate of Domestic Workers) went to court to try to prohibit the episode from airing because they felt that the episode's content would put the wrong idea about domestic workers into the minds of adolescents watching the program. (25)

Still today, in many middle-upper class homes, one will find young, primarily afrodescendente girls working while the children of these families attend school. (26)
 
So what does the rape of black (and Indian) women have to do with the programming on Rede Globo? Brazilian television, like American or French television, is a vision of how the nation envisions itself.

What is problematic about the Brazilian situation is that, while the US and France both have significant minority populations, non-whites in Brazil could arguably make up the majority of the population.

While mestiçagem is promoted as the Brazilian answer to racial conflict, the overwhelming whiteness of Brazilian television represents the Brazilian ideal. In other words, mestiçagem is a necessary transition into whiteness.

In the predictions of intellectuals in the early 20th century, it was the complete disappearance of the Indian, negro AND the mestiço that signified the triumph of whiteness; if not genetically, at least phenotypically. This obsessive march to whiteness has had dire effects on the psyches of those who do not fit this ideal.

Thus, while many continue to point the finger at the US for its shameful race relations or for supposedly imposing its racial classifications on the Brazilian, they ignore the psychological healing that millions of non-whites, as well as near whites, may need.

This psychological damage starts early in adolescence when a child somehow realizes that they are not deemed to be valuable because of their skin color or some other physical attribute.
 
Footnotes

1. Stam, Robert. Tropical Multiculturalism: A Comparative History of Race in Brazilian Cinema and Culture. Duke, 1997.

2. Ramos, Alberto and Marina Oliveira. "Sem medo de revelar a cor". Correio Braziliense. May 9, 2002.

3. Some people with whom I discussed race spoke of this idea of "Brazilian white" in reference to a person that they knew would most likely not be considered white on a global scale or even in Brazil's most southern states but could be considered white in some social circles or regions of the country.

4. For a more thorough look at this idea, see my previous essay entitled "How Is Brazil Racist? Let Me Count the Ways". Brazzil. April 2003. Available online July 13, 2006. http://www.brazzil.com/content/view/3542/29/

5. Rufino, Alzira. "Resultados da reunião sobre o caso de violência contra a mulher em JK". Etnia na TV. http://www.eticanatv.org.br/pagina_new.php?id_new=152&idioma=0

6. Westphalen, Cecília Maria. "A Mulher no Universo de Casa-Grande & Senzala".
http://nmnt.fgf.org.br/artigos/a_mulher.html

7. Dias Filho, Antonio Jonas. "As Mulatas que não estão no Mapa." Cadernos Pagu (6/7), Núcleo de Estudos de Gênero - Pagu/Unicamp, 1996

8. Bastide, Roger. "Dusky Venus, Black Apollo", Race (1961) as quoted in Carl Degler's Neither Black nor White: Slavery and Race Relations in Brazil and the United States. University of Wisconsin Press, 1971.

9. Bastide, Roger and Fernandes, Florestan. Negros e Brancos em São Paulo. Companhia Editora Nacional, 1959

10. Ibid

11. Cardoso, Fernando Henrique and Ianni, Octávio. Côr e Mobilidade Social em Florianópolis: Aspectos das Relações entre negros e brancos numa comunidade do Brasil Meridional. Companhia Editora Nacional, São Paulo. 1960.

12. Ibid

13. Queiroz Júnior, Teófilo de. Preconceito de Cor e a Mulata na Literature Brasileira. Editora Ática, São Paulo.

14. Martin, Charles. "Brazil: Such Nightmares, Such Dreams". Black Renaissance. December 31, 1998. Vol. 2, Issue 1

15. City News de São Paulo from November 7, 1971, as quoted in Queiroz Júnior, Teófilo de. Preconceito de Cor e a Mulata na Literature Brasileira. Editora Ática, São Paulo. 1982

16. Bernard, Michelle D. "Brown Sugar - Its not so sweet". Independent Women's Forum. April 30, 2004. [Available online June 2, 2006].

17. Daniel, G. Reginald. Race and Multiraciality in Brazil and the United States: Converging Paths? 2006 Penn State University Press.

18. Gomes, Nilma Lino. Sem perder a raiz: Corpo e cabelo como símbolos da identidade negra. Autêntica Editora, 2006.

19. Wells, Mark. "Down in Black Bahia". June 2002. Available online July 23, 2006. http://www.brazzil.com/content/view/6704/39/ . For an in-depth discussion on the politics of hair amongst black women in Brazil see Nilma Lino Gomes's Sem perder a raiz: Corpo e cabelo como símbolos da identidade negra (Autêntica Editora, 2006). Her description of the maintenance and importance of hair weaves reminded me much of what I saw in observing my friends, the sisters Danielle and Fátima, in my "Down in Black Bahia" essay.

20. WEBTAL. "Juliana e Marcela estão no "Paredão" desta Terça-Feira." March 22, 2004. Available online. January 26, 2006. http://www.webtal.com.br/noticia.php?cd=735

21. Terra. "Não sou racista", diz Marcela. March 24, 2004. Available online. January 26, 2006. http://exclusivo.terra.com.br/bbb4/interna/0,,OI283352-EI2533,00.html

22. www.assolan.com.br/

23. The term "Nega do Cabelo Duro" was also a popular Carnaval song from the 1940s written by the team of David Nasser e Rubens Soares. The song has been recorded countless times over the years including a version by the Rock/Rap group Planet Hemp.

24. Terra. "BBs "lavam roupa suja" e Cris leva prêmio extra." April 12, 2004. Available online. January 26, 2006. http://exclusivo.terra.com.br/bbb4/interna/0,,OI292209-EI2533,00.html

25. Mattos, Laura. "Domésticas entram na Justiça contra novela". Folha de S. Paulo. September 22, 2003. [Available online June 1, 2006] http://observatorio.ultimosegundo.ig.com.br/artigos/asp23092003993.htm

26. see France Winddance Twine's Racism in a Racial Democracy: The Maintenance of White Supremacy in Brazil. Rutgers University Press, 1998.
 
This is part five of a multi-piece article.

Mark Wells holds a bachelor's degree in Anthropology from the University of Michigan-Dearborn and is currently working on a Master's Degree in Social Justice at Marygrove College in Detroit, Michigan. He can be reached at quilombhoje72@yahoo.

© 2007 Mark Wells

Comments (279)Add Comment
BRAZIL ...a paradise run by devils
written by Luca, Rome, January 19, 2007
1)It is very true that watching the ubiquitous Rede globo you think "where are they hiding them?"It is also true that
it is not *only* racism, it is also the laws of capitalism, you get what market demands and rich Brazilians are mainly white,
no denying that and TV channels ae about money not inner beauty. Still nowadays since tv does shape and mould people's psyche to such a large extent, tv should definitly make an effort to portray non-white Brazilains not just as maids, football players and muscicians, let alone "bandidos", but in a more positive way.This would be a major step forward or a beginning of change in one of the states with the world's highest "gini index" (=inequality rate) and where this gini index is (by coincidence?) 100% color-based..

I'd add that the comparison with Sweden was totally wrong as it is actually quite the opposite, as interestingly Swedish tv has
lots of non-swedish looking people featured in tv programs as an effort to represent the new genetations.But that's Nordic
democracy, not colonial Portuguese culture (read below)...

2) Quotas...in principle they are not nice, but in practice it is unquestioanble that quotas have helped Black people in the
US go up the social ladder very much unlike non-white people in Brazil (and in case they forgot, non-white brazilians are
kindly reminded of that by Rede globo everyday which either "hides" them or shows them as gun-holding "bandidos" (the
worst of all being those horrible and demagogic "police" reality shows, an equivalent of those feed-them-to-the-lions shows staged in the Colosseum by Roman emperors). I have always wondered, how those working people in the favelas must feel about seeing Brazilian media portraying always and only the 5% scum of the favelas and implicilty selling that as favela dwellers ?

3) it also true that *some* Black americans, like the author of the article, are "obsessed" with skin color 365 days a year
be it KKK Alabama or Greenland's ice desert and become incredibly annoyed everytime, for example, a lighter-than-him skinned Brazilian guy affirm to be pardo instead of preto like him. Skin pigmentation shoudl never matter and It is horrible to be reminded to be discriminated as black by stupid white racist people, I agree, but why freaking out on color categorization (you're no less black than me just because you're lighter) by other non-white people of all shades?

4) non-white brazilians are the least racist people in the world (unlike *some* Black americans not including the color
obsessed author of this article (whom I nevertheless appreciate for its stimulating contributions) and....unlike very racist white brazilians.....to say the least... and I love non-white Brazilians for that and hope they'll never change regardless of how
white Brazilians treat them and how some Black americans try to import **some** (bad) ideas from the US (more hideous
Farrakhan than the great Martin Luther King).

5) As for the white Brazilian "Elite", as one contributor rightly said in one of his post on this site, their mindest is
still 100% "colonial portuguese" seeing society very much still like "casa grande e senzala" (which evolved in today's
dichotomy of "Morro" and "Asfalto") and not seeing any further than their wallet and the barbed-wire fences of their
patrolled golden condos! It is also true that Brazil unlike Europe has not gone though European modernizing historical processes like Illuminism and French Revolution...if not just as a postcard from Europe. Brazil has evolved economically 100 times more than socially.... and (their) money is all that counts to rich white Brazilians showing on the way Brazilian elite tackle society's problems (not caring about the link between crime and poverty...that would mean shelling out money on social programs for pardos & pretos,> ).
Big Brother Brasil
written by Luca, Rome, January 19, 2007
http://bbb.globo.com/BBB7/Internas/0,,7531,00.html

16 contestants, 15 white and 1 black!
...
written by bo, January 19, 2007
to illustrate what the author has said even more, go to this url which shows the start of a new novela on globo called "paginas da vida"

http://paginasdavida.globo.com...56,00.html

Now there are 13 actors shown on that page....look at them!!! Someone would think that was in Europe!! I don't even think that people with knowledge of the U.S .would think it's there, as they would think, where is a latino? where is a black? where is someone of asian descent?

To illustrate even more, on that very same page, at the bottom, you will find a drop-down menu. These are ALL the characters from that novela. There are a total of 84 characters, there is ONE, possibly TWO, that would be characterized as "negra" or black, here in brazil. And believe it or not, one is actually a doctor. But out of all 84 characters, there are less than 10 that would NOT be classified as WHITE, here in brazil OR in the United States!! And of these less than 10, ALL of them with the exception of the black doctor is a maid or someone in a subservient position.

I've been living in northeast brazil for 10 years and just took a look at this page showing the characters of the novelas, I don't watch them, but my wife does, who is a black brazilian. I told her about the topic of this article while I was reading it and she directed me to the above url. She agreed wholeheartedly with the author as I translated it for her. I can unequivocably say, this is certainly NOT representative of the brazil I'm familiar with. It most certainly does look like a VERY white country somewhere in the world.....not sure it exists!
Here we go again...
written by A brazilian, January 19, 2007
It's quite sad to see the lot of effort some poor souls put in defaming Brazil. I am just here to show to some random user of this website that this is not a serious text.

He writes a very long text just for reaffirming his convictions, based mostly in anecdotal evidence (a friend knows a friend that said this) and his impressions of Rede Globo. Plus some ridiculous citations of Big Brother (arrrgh). What to make of all of this? Maybe the text could much smaller, since he repeats himself and stitches some "little stories" along the way, but maybe he expects to impress people only by the size of it.

The fact is that there are several incorrect or simply unprovable affirmations like:

"As African descent peoples outnumbered white Brazilians by a ratio of about three to two near the end of the 19th century"

Others are very clear in his anglo-saxon judgement of the brazilian society:

"In reality, no one can say what the country's racial composition really is. There are those who believe that very few Brazilians actually match up to what North Americans or Europeans would accept as white."

I think this says it all. The problem here is not racism, but brazilians not adopting anglo-saxon standards for race and segregating the society based on it.

Besides, he completely ignores the many marriages that happened in the past century up to now between people of many races, out of free will of course, and just want to show the "rape of black women by the evil white men" as if it were how the brazilian society were built. He should really stop using the 19th and 18th centuries to make his points, maybe the text would look more "believable" then.

The many shades of colors, and the fact that nobody is force to assume this or that shade, only shows how the concept of race is ignored because it's non-important. You won't see brazilians worried if some other guy or girl is a 100% pure blood Aryan.

Nobody is forced to be a "sexual object" here. They could use more clothes and study, but the truth is that for many women sex and kids is better than a carreer and books. I am not saying all women are stupid, I am just saying that they do what they want to, and some women want to have sex more than others. That's not bad, but nobody is forced to do it.

About the "Swedish TV" that 's lame. You will find all kinds of people on TV. Using the same logic you could argue that TV doesn't show as many japanese people in positions of power, and SINCE Brazil is largest japanese colony outside Japan this is wrong, right? I haven't seen a single japanese actor in those soap operas that were one of the main characters. In the rare cases you find japanese actors they have a very stereotypical attitude, with the typical silly accent and idiot looking behavior. Maybe the japanese aren't busy looking for signs of racism, or maybe they just have work to do. smilies/smiley.gif

I think it's a mistake to divide the society in "elites" and "oppressed". We should look for ways to provide education and means for the less privileged to improve themselves, while not giving anything for free.

I know that there are social problems, and usually favelados are discriminated, because they look awful, or dirty, or can't speak portuguese properly, or just have a gigantic inferiority complex because of his life of poverty. But calling this "racism" is not correct.

One of the problems of Brazil, in my opinion, is that everyone believes to be "entitled to everything", free education, free healthcare, free housing, free everything, without making any efforts. This to point of attacking doctors in clinics, if they feel their "rights" aren't met. This culture of poverty is the one that must end.
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written by bo, January 19, 2007
It's quite sad to see the lot of effort some poor souls put in defaming Brazil.



Nobody is defaming brazil here, with the possible exception of Globo!! That is who you should have your gripe with A Brazilian. Tell me, do you think these shows on globo are anywhere close to a stereotypical racial apresentation of the reality of brazil.
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written by A brazilian, January 19, 2007
Globo, and TV in general, sucks. This is no different than any other country. TV shows (with some exceptions) often go to the lowest common denominator and seem more to fuel stupidity than actually serve to any good purpose.

I am not defending Globo, I am just disagreeing with the interpretations the author made.
Hmmmm
written by The American Historian, January 19, 2007
Uh-oh, I wasn't sure if Wells was going to go here. All I know is, many people in the world are stunned when they discover Brazil has the second-highest number of what I will call people with some visible African ancestry the world. Most people probably think the United States has more, but we are not even close. Yep, that's Brazil, black people all over the place except on T.V.
voce fala besteira rapaz
written by Mr. Iveheard Enough, January 19, 2007
Dear Mr. Wells,

Your credentials are weak and your articles are weaker. Perhaps you should devote more time to that Master's Degree you are working on at Marygrove College and less time trying to inject the cancer of North American race obsession into a country and culture you clearly do not understand. Surely there is plenty of homegrown social injustice you can be working on in Detroit instead of trying to make a niche for yourself in the Brasilain social justice theatre. Do you really think that after taking a few trips to Brasil and by watching Rede Globo for a year that you are qualified to write volumes about race in Brasil? And are you that egotistical to think that Brasilians care what you think about race in Brasil? Why do North Americans always feel the need to do a who is better and who is worse comparison of other cultures to their own. Don't tell Brasilians that racism in Brasil is worse than in the US.

You have been littering the pages of this site for a couple of weeks now and it is a lot of nothing with nothing. Just a lot of flimsy data and your redundant piont of view on race. You have said enough....haven't you? If you have not gotten your point across by now then I am afraid five more articles won't do it either. And if you must feel compelled to write articles in the future please do not write five pages to say what you could in a few paragraphs.
So in closing sir, please leave the analysis of Brasil to those that truly understand the country and culture. But don't worry, Brasilians know there is racism in their country, they just don't obsess over it and the color of peoples skin like people do in the US, sorry to dissapoint you Mark. Brasilian racism is as unique as everything else in Brasil, a country that requires a lot more than a few trips to carnival and a few novellas to fully understand.
Mr. Iveheard Enough
written by The American Historian, January 19, 2007
Dear Sir:

I will repeat to you the challenge I have made to A Brazilian for days now: where are the facts, studies or articles that refute what Mr. Wells is saying? Amazingly, Mr. Wells has restated some of my same points with similar examples. I am a lawyer and one has no value in my profession until you prove your assertions. If you or any Brazilian can point me to ANY study accepted and relied upon by this world's experts concluding that Brazil's racial system is just dandy then I will read it, but I seriously doubt you can. And I do mean studies conducted within the past twenty years--I would not always trust any studies conducted before this time (i.e., before your military dictatorship ended).

This has nothing to do with America importing racial "divisiveness" into your society.
Bo has stated that he has run into more objections with his black wife in Brazil than he has in the United States. He is not the only person I have heard say this. Blacks in the United States are much more prominent in the media here than they are in Brazil--even in European countries like England--which is ridiculous, since blacks are only 13% of the U.S. population and an even smaller share among the British. If race relations in the U.S. are so much more awful than in Brazil, why is that the case?

You really need to read more in depth studies about the history of race relations in the U.S., including the U.S. South, and you will see many more similarities to Brazil than differences. White American men in the U.S. South had sex relations with black women (like Thomas Jefferson); so did white men in Brazil. White Southerners said race relations prior to the Civil Rights Movement were just fine and only a few black Americans were causing trouble; so do many of you Brazilians say the same thing TODAY. The American South for centuries has been ill-served by an originally land owning elite that thinks in feudal-like premodern ways, so does Brazil and most of Latin America.

Now what saved most black Americans so that they are today better off than their Brazilian counterparts: they could migrate to other parts of the United States like the Northeast, Midwest and Western U.S. that were not dominated by feudal-like elites. Parts of the U.S. that had better public school systems, higher paying jobs, better healthcare systems, more cosmopolitan populations and so forth. Sadly, too much of Brazil is still dominated by Premodern elites so too many of your people are trapped.
These folks believe in strict class and racial heirarchies and when you deny the extent of Brazil's racial heirarchy, you are simply contributing to the problem and doing their bidding (if you are not in fact one of them).

So please, pointing out some of America's racial problems is the easy thing to do. I feel you and other Brazilians must do so--and you blow such problems way out of proportion--so you will not have to face your own problems. America's black population is relatively small and will probably disappear over the next few centuries; yours is larger and must be brought into the mainstream of your economic and political life or you will continue to experience all sorts of problems. And presenting yourselves as a Southern European society in South America is just as Wells states: a fantasy. You can keep dreaming about it, but that does not mean it will ever become true.

A Public Service
written by The American Historian, January 19, 2007
Keep up the good work Mark Wells.
How Should We Settle This?
written by The American Historian, January 19, 2007
I sense here that the Latin American male believes his sense of honor is being challenged at this debate. If that is the case, maybe we can settle this question with pistols at dawn...
Either that Or...
written by The American Historian, January 19, 2007
If dueling is not the answer, then maybe some of these guys just need to get laid tonight. Come on and step forward Brazilian women and get these guys to lighten up.
Go out and take one for the team ladies.
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written by Pete, January 19, 2007
what about the Jews?? Don't the "marranos" "Segredos" "conversos" control the media in Brasil? or everywhere except Iran?? Jews have been pitting whites and Blacks against each other for year!! to the point whites are becoming minorities!!
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written by Bienchido, January 19, 2007
"A Brazilian" simply refuses to see what is in front of his face: that the vast majority of people on Brazilian TV are white, that the vast majority of Brazilian politicians are white, and the vast majority of people working in banks, shopping malls and other middle and upper-class establishments are white in a country--Brazil--where about 50% of the population is of African descent.

Either "A Brazilian" lives on a little farm somewhere on the Brazilian-Uruguayan border where there are no Black Brazilians within a 50 mile vicinity, or it is too painful for him to recognize racism in Brazil.
Thanks
written by Kwame, January 19, 2007
Excellent article. As an African-American man from the U.S., I appreciated greatly the insightful and honest portrayal of the racial dynamics taking place in Brazil. I notice Brazilians love to try to sweep these issues under the rug and hope they will just go away.

Despite Brazil's attempts to portray itself into a racial utopia, I think in many ways the U.S. may have done a better job in terms of race relations than Brazil. That is shocking and disappointing to say, given America's awful history. I just think the separation of people of African descent based on shades of lightness and hair texture is not positive. Brazil, with their use of "mulatto" and the subtle sense of superiority given to this group over those considered black just creates additional racial division. It is no different than South Africa and their "colored" category. In the U.S., the black community has its problems, but we are not divided by such terms. Halle Berry, Barack Obama, Derek Jeter, and others all accept and acknowledge their blackness, despite their mixed heritage. Obama is written about as potentially the first black president.

Thank you Mark Wells.
In Conclusion: Mark Wells Is A First Rate Idiot
written by Costinha, January 19, 2007
Claims are abound but facts are few. Where are the sources of your warped inferences and statistical data about Brasil? In fact, given your outrageous claims I am starting to doubt your personal claim of being a graduate student unless of course, you use plagiarism. Clearly, Brasil is not your “forte.” In fact, Brasil is a subject that you know nothing about but other than what you read on internet blogs, further dispersing misinformation for the unsuspecting. In essence, your writings are not worth the paper they are written on.

For example, you wrote “This is not to say that I don't enjoy some of Rede Globo's programming. Most of the programs are quite professional looking, colorful, entertaining and features a charismatic line-up of personalities.”

Now Then, That Is One Condescending Statement You Made! I suppose in your narrow view, perhaps ABC, NBC and all the rest of your “state controlled” media is far superior, right? I bet deep inside you consider the “black race” inferior to the whites, right? That’s very typical from 99% of the american public, race obsession.

You are biased in your so-called research (Mickey Mouse papers). You are one “crack-head” with lots of time in your hand deceiving the general ignorant american people.

Mr. Wells, you are one inconsequential american, in fact, the“Ugly American” stereotype fits you perfectly. Your deceit and absurd assumptions about others is what makes the entire world despise you, the american people, and the United States.

Idiot # 2 - The American Historian

You make about as much sense as a set of chattering buckteeth vibrating on a glass coffee table, Stupid.

You mentioned: “I will repeat to you the challenge I have made to A Brazilian for days now: where are the facts, studies or articles that refute what Mr. Wells is saying?”

When in actuality the converse is true. Let’s see how many white actors you have in Hollywood versus black actors. Of those, how many black actors have received at least an Oscar nomination versus white ones? Not a real brainer, right?

I think you suffer from incomprehensible stupidity rather than plain dumb ignorance!

Good day…

Costinha
Same old, same old
written by GWB, January 19, 2007
Boooring!

Costinha - why don't you find some new metaphors for a change? - the current ones are getting really, really stale. Now, go get some new material and come back later, mmmk? Oh and please spare us the intellectualism next time, will ya? You're just the comic/idiot relief around here - haven't you figured that out yet? No one respects you, reads your posts or honestly believes that you have any worth as a human being, other than possible canon fodder in the coming favela wars. Don't try growing a brain now little fella. Now go torture a small animal or cut yourself or whatever sadistic losers do in their spare time.
Ciao
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written by Ric, January 19, 2007
I´d like to know what the panel thinks about Hillary trashing Obama. Politics, racism, Islamophobia, anti-tobacco lobby, all of above, none of above?
Hurling Invective From a Troubled Costinha
written by The American Historian, January 19, 2007
In fact, black Americans are doing much better in a variety of fields--including the acting business. A black man--Stanley O'Neal heads America's largest Wall Street brokerage firm. A black man--Richard Parsons--heads Time Warner, the largest media company in the world. There are others who head large financial and corporate institutions. A black woman heads MTV and a few others head American cable channels.

Blacks have been doing better in Hollywood over the past few years. A black man, Forrest Whitaker, is expected to win the Academy Award for Best Actor this year--just two years after Jamie Foxx, another black actor won it. Eddie Murphy and Jennifer Hudson could win as Best Supporting Actors this year and will almost certainly get nominated. And Dreamgirls--with a predominantly black cast will probably get nominated for Best Picture this year. And of course, Denzel Washington and Halle Berry won Best Actor Awards in 2002. Murphy, Hudson and Dreamgirls all just won Golden Globe awards. This past weekend in the U.S., a film with a predominantly black cast was the number one film in the U.S.; and Will Smith's latest film has grossed close to 100 million dollars and has been in the top three for weeks. Things could always be better in Hollywood, but the record is improving.

A black man--Barack Obama--is one of the leading candidates for the U.S. Presidency. His book has been a top best seller for months. Oprah remains the Queen of television here.

Now remember guys, all of these conspicuous achievements occur in a society only 13% black. With the size of Brazil's black and brown population, the achievments of Brazil's nonwhite population should be even higher.

I could go on citing African American achievements in the U.S., but I don't want to embarass you too much. The U.S. does not seem anywhere near as ashamed of showing it's black population to the world as is Brazil. As a black man I say this is sad, sad, sad....... And look at me, I could state my case without hurling insults or attacking anybody's character. Peace, my brothers, and more power to Mark Wells.
Correction
written by The American Historian, January 19, 2007
Respell "achievement."
Ric
written by The American Historian, January 19, 2007
I did not know Hillary trashed Obama Ric. What did she say?

I could vote for either one because each has a secret plan to conquer Brazil. The plan is to start the conquest by having Americans post articles and responses that tell lies, lies and more lies again and again about Brazil. I won't reveal the rest of the plan, but so far it is working. All Brazilians will be speaking english by 2020, and they will enjoy it or else.....
Your gonna hate me for this, but it's just a question
written by Adrianaa, January 19, 2007
After this I'll be gone, my college semester just started, and I don't wanna get addicted in coming here.
I'm not a psychologist yet ( although I studied psychology in Brazil for two years, and did psychoanalysis for five, to get to know myself, and I really recomend that for everyone) but I'll be, I was admitted to the Psychology program, I'll start this fall. I'm also in a clairvoyant training, so I'm very perceptive......but if I'm wrong, please don't take it as insult, is just a curiosity of mine......

Anyway, here is the question: COSTINHA, BY ANY CHANCE, ARE YOU A BRAZILIAN????..........A BRAZILIAN, BY ANY CHANCE, ARE YOU COSTINHA???
Just say yes or no, and I'll believe you. Well, if you want to answer, of course.
The American Historian... Hehehehe
written by Costinha, January 19, 2007
America is a racial utopia, right? Riiiiiight..... In that case I will believe in Santa Clause too!

There you have it... that's how these nesty americans are... They truly believe that if they repeat over and over again that the night sky is yellow, eventually everybody in the world will believe it too. NUTS!

american historian - America is the only nation in HISTORY which has miraculously gone directly from barbarism to degeneration without the usual interval of civilization. Tip: Your head is getting too big for your toupee!

gwb - Please close your mouth so I can see who you are. Thanks!

Adrianaa - VOLTE PRO ZOOLOGICO, MACACA!


Hehehehe. american farts!
Oh please don't make me laugh!
written by Adrianaa, January 20, 2007
It was just a question, if your not A Costinha,....Ooops!....A Brazilian...Ooops!....well, whoever you are. That's ok!
But I think now you are the A Costinha we're accostumed to, not the A Costinha who posted on the eighth post above this one, that post was clearly the writing style of a Brazilian, but maybe I'm wrong, if I am, I apologize.
And the, "VOLTE PRO ZOOLOGICO, MACACA!"
You in this post, in this thread, in this forum, you just proved how Some or many Brazilians are RACISTS.
If you want to talk about our common ancerstor, at least say it right, Humans didn't evolved from the "Macaca" Monkey, is from the Apes, six million years ago...
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written by Simpleton, January 20, 2007
5 years psychoanalysis, hummm ... It's good for you? What's this multiple personallity disorder thing all about? You can act one way within your own childhood neighborhood, in your home, in the company of close and dear friends but then when the subject is explicitly raised (or questions are asked by the judge) it's always deny deny deny and give the perfect but tellingly lilted Nao to appear to not have a clue, not reelly know what the other person is inquiring about what you said or did. I find it enthralling, even cute this uniquely Brazillian dance.
Ball Scratcher
written by Jorgao, January 20, 2007
Wow what a great forum.....I think that Costinha should be writing the articles...it would be so much more beneficial and almost as humorus. I think that Mark Wells intentions are great and like most people who have visited Brazil eventually find themselves wanting to be someway included in the Brazilians culture/society. Possibly Mark felt alienated, because the people probably found it boring to listen to race obsession! The bottom line is we need to except that racism exists in both cultures (US and Brazil) and that both both cases are unique. I am not going to sit here and compete on who knows the most about Brazil, I just want to say, stop the us and them type of thinking and realize that any form of intolerance (reverse racism) causes harm whether black, white, a sheep, Indian etc.... Realmente os americanos acham que sabem de tudo......deixa o Brasil em pais por favor e se consentra nos seus problemas!! Valeu!!
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written by Ana Paula Hubert, January 20, 2007
What a bunch of crap!!!! I am Brazilian and I am very proud of being mix, my grandmother is black, her mother was a white portuguese woman and her father a black slave. My dad turn out to be curly hair green/hazel eyes, yellow/reddish skin. My mom is "morena-jambo", her father was black/ameridian and mom portuguese/black. She has mocha colored skin, dark coarse hair and big dark eyes. She is not dark enough to be considered black so she would fit in the "morena" category. My sibblings happens to be all different shades ranging from pardo to black. I am considered branca or morena-clara, I have "cabelo ruim", very frizzy and I chemically relaxed after moving to the USA. Here is me: www.myspace.com/raicaray.
I live in the USA for 4 years and have suffered many forms of racism towards me ranging from weird looks such "Are you going to stole my purse" lol to comments such "monkey", "the girl from the banana republic", etc. To top it off I am married to American born of French heritage and have a baby with him that turn out very light skin with light brown curly frizz hair.
I embrace all parts of my ethnicity and refuse to check a box on goverment forms, I am a "OTHER" but it seems that people here always try to label me as something because they cannot accept that I am all of those things not just one.
Also hate the term Latino that Americans insists on forcing upon me or even Hispanic which I am not. Also, most of Americans think everyone from Latin American is Mexican, speak spanish, drinks tequila and wears a sombrero lol. For your information there's is countries is South American that have Dutch, English and French as their official language.
Someone else mentioned Halle Berry being an African American, she is not she is biracial, her mother is white, her father black. That just shows how americans want to classify anyone that is not white as being black. Why can't you be both? Or several ethnicities?
In Brazil we choose to not classify a person as one thing just because she has african ancestry, also we take in count your looks and nobody needs to choose one race or another, you can just be Brazilian. But no matter how long I live in the US, I will never be just American because people here won't accept me as such...
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written by Simpleton, January 20, 2007
Eu Carioca do Coracao. Knowing that I grew up in the 60's and 70's in a rural town where the ice and snow lasted 6 months of the year I think you can understand that there were few people of color around with whom to associate with. One set of twins who were French-African and one other family with children slightly older whose appearance would be considered black. The twins were extraordinarilly nice, talented, etc. and their folks let me hunt on thier land. My folks seemed to know the family, interacted with them for extra curricular things as everyone was active in the school musicals, marching band, etc.. I didn't understand how sometimes people would be so mean towards them or say nasty things. At one point I had even contemplated trying to date one of the twins. When talking with my folks about others in town who seemed so biased against these members of our community I guess all I came away with was that given the way things were in our area and to a larger extent elsewhere that choosing miscegenation would produce difficulties and hardships on your children and that these things were not something that were going to go away or get a whole lot better any time soon. I see now, after these many many years that it has gotten better but certainly has not gone away. I much prefer the situation in Brazil but It is clearly not perfect. If my German-African-Japonese-? friend feels driven to stay out of the sun and use whitening creams to try to get a decent job (any job above minimums), I am saddened but I cannot tell them that what they are doing is, at it's core, very wrong and against what those who say we are all Brazillians would have the world believe. They have to do what they feel they have to do for economics sake. It's the same with the high end hotels, media, etc., etc., and as I learned way back when, it's not going to go away or get whole lot better there anytime soon.
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written by bo, January 20, 2007
You really need to read more in depth studies about the history of race relations in the U.S., including the U.S. South, and you will see many more similarities to Brazil than differences. White American men in the U.S. South had sex relations with black women (like Thomas Jefferson); so did white men in Brazil. White Southerners said race relations prior to the Civil Rights Movement were just fine and only a few black Americans were causing trouble; so do many of you Brazilians say the same thing TODAY. The American South for centuries has been ill-served by an originally land owning elite that thinks in feudal-like premodern ways, so does Brazil and most of Latin America.



You're "spot on" Historian, couldn't have said it better. Matter of fact, you're on the mark in all the posts you've made, and that's coming from someone who spent 30 years in the U.S. and now 10 years in brazil and married to a black brazilian.

by Costinha

Now Then, That Is One Condescending Statement You Made! I suppose in your narrow view, perhaps ABC, NBC and all the rest of your “state controlled” media is far superior, right? I bet deep inside you consider the “black race” inferior to the whites, right? That’s very typical from 99% of the american public, race obsession.


Once again, your types make ASSUMPTIONS, whereas many others on this board continue to cite studies and factual occurrences to support our statements. I've already gotten into the "press freedoms" here in brazil, and the U.S., and my dear, there is no comparison. State controlled media?? Costinha, you're full of s**t! Unless you're talking about the consistant judicial intervention here in brazil in respect to running stories on the daily corruption involving the judges themselves and their cronies.
I don't feel welcome anywhere in the United States
written by Concerned African American, January 20, 2007
Racial discrimination is an ongoing reality in the lives of African Americans (and Hispanics) in Metro Boston including myself (an African American born and raised in metro Boston). Although the region has experienced significant growth in racial and ethnic diversity over the past several decades, racial minority groups continue to struggle for full acceptance and equal opportunity.

African Americans and Hispanics report persistent discrimination in the workplace, in seeking housing, and in their day-to-day encounters with other metro area residents. Large shares of African Americans and Hispanics say they feel unwelcome in marketplaces and residential communities throughout the region. Racial discrimination in Metro Boston continues to be a serious problem.

Growing diversity and the passage of time may have led to a sense among some area residents that the city of Boston’s racial divisiveness is a relic of the past, and that the area’s wells of racial intolerance have subsided. Not true! Segregation has had the effect of isolating many racial minorities in neighborhoods of concentrated poverty and severe social and economic distress.

The American public must understand and discuss the broader social contexts that contribute to these inequalities, here and elsewhere in America. As the United States continues to grow more racially and ethnically diverse, and as the white population continues to shrink, the future social, economic, and civic health of the country will depend on the ability of all the people in the US to live and work alongside each other with interracial understanding and trust. Ignorance of persistent minority disadvantage across the nation combined with passive acceptance of its multiple social causes may only heighten racial polarization. I say: Long live the teachings of Dr. Martin Luther King.

From an African American citizen: America, you must change your old ways before criticizing others.

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written by bo, January 20, 2007
by Adrianaa

Anyway, here is the question: COSTINHA, BY ANY CHANCE, ARE YOU A BRAZILIAN????..........A BRAZILIAN, BY ANY CHANCE, ARE YOU COSTINHA???
Just say yes or no, and I'll believe you. Well, if you want to answer, of course.


Adrianaa, you are perceptive! I've been saying that for a while, but not only that. One has to believe when seeing the writing styles change for some of these posters, and also how some of them twist and tort written words on a page to mean something entirely different, then show no kind of proof whatsoever to substantiate their statements yet always blame others for doing this very thing, when the contrary is true. One has to consider the possibility of them being associated with this site to keep the conversations "lively".

Either that, or they're complete idiots, lol.
America, love it or leave it
written by Proud Wite American, January 20, 2007
America was founded on Christian values and we the best country in the world. All them whining Negroes, Jews, Spikis, Chinese and all the rest of the garbage go back to where you come from. We dont like you, we dont need you, we don’t want you!
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written by Simpleton, January 20, 2007
More on here then and there now of the non-institutionalized / non-legislated variety:

After getting out of college and onto my feet we upscaled to renting a house. The deal we found went quickly and the low offer we made was accepted instantly by gentlemen’s agreement (i.e. the contract was signed and money paid well after we'd already been given keys and moved in). As it turned out the owner who had raise her family in that house would have been murdered by her old neighbors if she had leased the place to the black family that had inquired of the property a little before we came along. The house next door was occupied by the daughter of the original owner and her husband. There was always some confusion as to whether they were renting the place or making payments to buy it from the mother. Several times there were competitions between the two old birds as to who had the best illegal Mexican yard worker / landscaper. I found it odd that the gal next door was virulently biased against Mexicans although she clearly had phonemes of Hispanic origin of her own. One hot Saturday after cutting down trees and limbs for them to make a sunny area for a pool (and a case of beer apiece - that's 24 latas folks) my jaw dropped clear to the ground with an earth shaking thud. The husband said something that showed that he was deeply racist at his core. How could this be that after five years living next door that we had never heard nor seen any sign of this from his corner before? (I actually know why but that I will save for another story.)

Another Carioca friend of mine who looks to be Congolese turns sour and says nasty things whenever the elderly and pasty looking Portuguese woman in the neighborhood walks by. Yes of course the old woman is very rich and you have nothing. I am very white, you are very black, we are kindred spirits so clearly this issue is not a matter of color (unless there's been issues / words between you from long before that you have not revealed to me). The very nice mostly Portuguese looking temporada that takes care of anything and everything for my stay does one thing I'm not so comfortable with. The dark skinned worker she brings on cleaning days is chided / put in her "proper" classically conditioned place with a quick syllable or glance. For me she does not have to stop instantly, slouch demurely and turn her face to the wall as I walk by to go out for a bit and let her do her work. After all, I spoke directly to her not you. Even though you know no english and I very little Portuguese you clearly understood I expected you to pass on the couple real tip I tried to give to this poor sole. Sorry, but I can not and will never act my caste.
Duh
written by GTY, January 20, 2007
Another irrelevant article that points out the control the white elite have on Brazilian media, business and government...duh? Did the author really think they would enlighten us? And now the biggest explotation of the Brazilian poor is just around the corner, the tens of millions of dollars that Carnival generates go directly to the pockets of city officals, beer companies, telecom and all other corporate sponsors, while the poor who Carnival claims to help are thrown a few bones. Instead of Carnival, how about taking the Chavez lead and use money to help the poor and deliver services, including petro dollars. YES, Brazil is an extremley racist society, no doubt. How many whites are in the street of Rio our Sao Paulo begging, juggling tennis balls or committing crimes? How about some articles that propose solutions rather than continue to point out the problems. While racial strains exist in the US, comparing opportunities for people of color in Brazil to the US is just plain silly. I wonder how many blacks graduate from the Federal universites there are in Brazil. When I was on the campuses of Rio and Sao Paulo I saw a sea of smiling white faces. Go to any US University or college and see the diversity we have created that has migrated to the work place and society. Brazil IS like an ice cube melting in the hot sun. Once the leader of South America, it now must take a back seat to other, much more progressive countries. Electing a president who is a complete idiot didn't help either (in Brazil that is, we have our own idiot in the US).
Simpleton
written by A brazilian, January 20, 2007
If my German-African-Japonese-? friend feels driven to stay out of the sun and use whitening creams to try to get a decent job (any job above minimums), I am saddened but I cannot tell them that what they are doing is, at it's core, very wrong and against what those who say we are all Brazillians would have the world believe.


Seriuosly, such thing doesn't exist. The only time black people used powder (not cream) to look more white were Football players in the beginning of the 20th century in order to play in a very few famous football clubs that didn't allow blacks. 100 years have passed already, stop saying that.
Studies? Oh really?
written by A brazilian, January 20, 2007
Once again, your types make ASSUMPTIONS, whereas many others on this board continue to cite studies and factual occurrences to support our statements....


I guess blacl activists stories and biased international "studies" of those willing to implement American racial mindset count as "factual occurrences". The fact is that any brazilian can say that most of what you say is completely nonsense. The little that's not nonsense, it's so misinterpreted that we can only think of bad faith.
Para Ana Paula
written by A brazilian, January 20, 2007
Olá. Yes, I had the same impression about the US when I went there. They are very divisive and just can't accept people are different from each other without labeling them some generic name, and the generic name of course will be just to make clear that the person is not white. Being "white" in the US is something regarded as above all others. I think the mentality of "every non-white is black" in black americans is a reaction to that. They can't be "whites", so they want to call everyone else black, as much as they can, in order to have their own little racial club.

Now we see Ignorance versus ignorance. Who will win? smilies/smiley.gif

That's why you see so much outrage from americans when they find out that in Brazil race is something much more relaxed, that people don't like talking about it. People are free to be what they are, and being also from a family with all kinds of people I understand what you mean.

The only thing we can do is to keep showing the lies from these activists, and their attempt to transform Brazil in some sort of Nazi playground, where kids will be researching about their ancestors to know if they are 100% pure Aryans or not.

I have lived all my life in Brazil, and never suffered any racism, even not being 100% white. I know other people that as mestizo as me or black that successful. I know it's futile saying it, because they will say pardos and negros live all under the bridge and it's all a conspiracy from white men to keep them that way, BUT the truth must be said, even if people is not willing to listen.

The biggest display of racism I have ever seen in my life is happening right here, in this forum, from (some) black-americans and a few whites.

I live in the USA for 4 years and have suffered many forms of racism towards me ranging from weird looks such "Are you going to stole my purse" lol to comments such "monkey", "the girl from the banana republic", etc. To top it off I am married to American born of French heritage and have a baby with him that turn out very light skin with light brown curly frizz hair.


Thanks for sharing your experiences.

Also hate the term Latino that Americans insists on forcing upon me or even Hispanic which I am not.


I also hate it. I think any brazilian hates it. This is such an ignorant statement, they have abolutely no clue of what they are talking about. This is exactly the example of "race relations" in the US that they are trying to sell.
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written by Simpleton, January 20, 2007
Yes GTY, comparison of oppotunities for persons of color in Brazil vs the US, parti