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Bush Just Learned That Brazil Is No US Backyard Any Longer PDF Print E-mail
Written by Conor Foley   
Tuesday, 13 March 2007 22:32

Presidents Bush and Lula from the US and Brazil The most interesting thing about the recent visit by President Bush to Brazil is how uninteresting most Brazilians find it. Thousands of trade unionists, students and activists from Brazil's large landless movement have demonstrated against Bush, who is almost universally loathed in Brazil.

Dislike for him spans the domestic political spectrum. An opinion poll for the BBC showed that 60% of Brazilians had a negative opinion of him, which was one of the highest figures of any country in the world.

But it would be wrong to portray Bush's visit as a "Plot against Latin America", despite the paranoid precautions of his security services. As far as most are concerned, it is a good thing for Brazil's most important trading partner to be visiting their country. And as Brazil's President Lula made clear before the visit, the two governments have much to discuss.

What Brazil wants is very specific. It wants an end to trade-distorting US agricultural subsidies and is threatening to take a case against the US at the World Trade Organisation over US protectionism of its ethanol industry.

And it wants US support for its proposals to reform the UN security council, including a seat for a Latin American country. It also wants to discuss measures to avert the threat of global warming and protect the Amazon rain forest.

The issue that Lula has explicitly ruled off the agenda is Venezuela and its radical government, led by Hugo Chavez. "We respect the sovereignty of other countries", Lula said in an interview, "and there is only space on the agenda to discuss the problems facing our own countries."

This was, in effect, a preemptive strike against what everyone knows to be one of the main reasons for Bush's visit to Latin America.

His trip was the culmination of several months in which Chavez and Bush have been acting like rival suitors trying to woo the heart of Latin America's governments. Both have showered promises and presents during their quests.

Bush has doubled aid to Latin America since taking office, to US$ 1.6 billion a year, although the bulk of this goes to the rightwing government of Colombia and the self-evidently ludicrous "war on drugs". In a speech in advance of his visit he promised "millions more" to improve education, housing and healthcare across the region.

However, he is unlikely to be able to compete with Chavez's largesse in this department. Since the start of this year alone, Venezuela has given US$ 10 million to Bolivia, US$ 600 million to Nicaragua, and promised US$ 1.5 billion in investment to Ecuador and the same amount in debt relief to Argentina. In his first term, Chavez spent an estimated US$ 25 billion in foreign aid, most of it in Latin America.

Viewed in this light is not difficult to see why Chavez, who  conducted his own "rival" tour to coincide with Bush's visit, got a better reception.

It would be wrong, however, to reduce the options facing Latin America to a clash between these two forces. If anything Bush and Chavez are regarded as mirror images of each other: egotistical ideologues who see the world in simplistic black and white terms.

Many members of Lula's workers' party are former guerrillas who were imprisoned and tortured by the CIA-backed military dictatorship. Some won their freedom through kidnapping the US ambassador of the time. However, everyone knows that Brazil's most pressing social problems - crime, corruption, poverty and inequality - have home-grown sources and home-grown solutions.

Brazil already pursues an independent foreign policy, so the domestic political impact of the Iraq war is far less keenly felt here than in places like Britain. Lula has also been actively trying to diversify Brazil's trading partners, cultivating links in Africa and building the Brazil-Russia-India-China (BRIC) block into an emerging global force.

The current round of negotiations, which will set the global price for steel, for example, are being conducted by Brazil and China, who are now, respectively, the largest producers and consumers of iron ore in the world. Brazil has freed itself from debt to the IMF and weathered the recent shocks to the world's stock markets remarkably well.

It is this economic and political self-confidence, which allows Lula to face Bush on his own terms. The days in which the US could consider Latin America its backyard are gone. The US is going to have to get used to dealing with its southern neighbours on a new basis.

This article appeared originally in The Guardian - http://commentisfree.guardian.co.uk/conor_foley/2007/03/bush_to_brazil.html

Conor Foley is a humanitarian aid worker. He currently lives and works in Brazil, and is a research fellow at the Human Rights Law Centre at the University of Nottingham. Conor's books include Combating Torture: a Manual for Judges and Prosecutors (2003), which was published by the Human Rights Centre at the University of Essex and the UK Foreign and Commonwealth Office; and A Guide to Property Law in Afghanistan (2005), which was published by the Norwegian Refugee Council and UNHCR.

Comments (300)Add Comment
LOATHING easier than Law and Order
written by aes, March 14, 2007
'Universally loathed'. . .what presumption. How can you loath what you do not know or understand? What do you know of his life, the responsibility for United States. . .why dont you loathe the people that for twenty years have done nothing to bring Law and Order to the lives of Brazil. . .why dont you loathe your corruption and sloth your passivity why dont you loath your Favela's, crime, murder, corruption, graft, inefficiency. . .before you LOATHE someone that has nothing to do with you or the quality of your lives. . .its chic, it distracts from what you NEED to be doing and BTY Brazil is doing great the value of its money has increased by 67% in the past three years, it has expanded its technology and agronomy to the world. . .LOATH what prevents your potential to greatness. The United States is interested in doing business,it is interested in a Brazil that is affluent and economically powerful. It is not threatened by your success it is threatened by poverty. Peace through prosperity. . .look at China. . .twenty years ago a Marxian militaristic threat today an economic superpower that has no interest in war, it now has too much to lose. And that is the single thing people are most interested is what is theres and China will become one of the richest nations on Earth. . .and so will Brazil if it stops LOATHING and starts doing. Your article is falacious and pretentious and its reasoning specious.
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written by conor foley, March 14, 2007
'Presumptious, pretentious, fallacious and specious'. You have an impressive grasp of long words. Now if you could learn to tell the difference between the author of an article and the country and people that he is writing about, I am sure you would have a great future as a writer. This article was originally written for a British newspaper. It describes popular opinion towards Bush, which is borne out by public opion polls in Brazil, and then goes on to describe how Brazilian economic development is changing its relationship towards the United States. It explicitly states that most Brazilians, while dislking Bush as a person, think it is a good thing for the heads of the two governments to meet to discuss issues of mutual importance such as trade. So your point is?
Loathing
written by aes, March 14, 2007
The objection is to 'universal loathing'. . .The point is that the manifestation of 'loathing' is a transference of the feelings of impotency of the inability of the Brazilian citizenry to change after twenty years the quality and equinimity of daily life, of graft, greed, crime, corruption, poverty, economic inequality. . .this angst is targeted to the 'straw man' it dissipates self hatred for their own feelings of impotency to change their lives, and the inequality of it. Sao Paulo had 10,000 demonstrators out of a population of 10,333,200 that hardly constitutes reason for your comment that Bush is 'almost universally loathed in Brazil.' As the author you have a journalistic responsibility to accuracy. The reader concludes that 'Brazil universally' loathes Bush, that was your intent. It was my intent to examin the source of this 'loathing' since you cannot 'loath' what you have no empirical knowledge of. That is, 'a priori', the source of racism and biggotry, you reinforce this with 'Bush is 'almost universally loathed in Brazil.' It is progagandistic not objective journalism.

Then there is the 'former CIA backed military dictatorship' imprisoned and tortured comment, as that were axiomatic. . .for what journalistic pupose was that thrown in, but to fomment what. . .balanced journaliism. . .or a kind of fashionable 'anti Americanism' engendering yourself to the reader?
engendering credibility to the reader
written by aes, March 14, 2007
engendering credibility to the reader. . .dele yourself
Re: Declassified documents coup CIA
written by aes, March 14, 2007
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written by Ric, March 14, 2007
Why were the precautions paranoid if the loathing is as deep and widespread as indicated?
more propoganda from the losers of the left !!!!
written by all american, March 14, 2007
Your ranks are pathetic...your message designed for the ignorant,naive and blind...your agenda is impotent....
Ric
written by aes, March 14, 2007
Why was the turn out so miniscule if the 'loathing' is so deep?

And more importantly why dont you demonstrate against the 'corruption' and inefficiency of your legal and judicial institutions? For you must certainly 'loath' the 'statis quo'.
All american
written by A brazilian, March 14, 2007
You can't write... you can't think...you don't make any sense...
Gee, Amercia what a great place!
written by Nob Jockey, March 14, 2007
What crap this AES guy writes, the weak grasp of geo-polictics displayed here is disturbing; it must stem from a steady diet of Fox News or such like.
"How can you loath what you do not know or understand?" get your head out of your ass, the world understands Bush et al very clearly and we know very well what "responsibility for United States" implies. Sorry but the great American veener has become tarnished beyond repair. The rot has never been more visible and it is only going to get worse. Anti Amercanism has little to do with seeming fashionable but it has eveything to do with expressing a distaste for ignorance, hypocrisy and greed.
Paranoid?
written by Professor, March 14, 2007
Most Brazilians are cautiously paranoid, why would not a high profile visitor be any different?

What Brazil wants is very specific. It wants an end to trade-distorting US agricultural subsidies


And most of us in Brazil would like to buy Electronic products etc. from the U.S. without paying 60-100% import tax to the Brazilian Gov.


This was, in effect, a preemptive strike againstwhat everyone knows to be one of the main reasons for Bush's visit to Latin America.


Exclude me from the "everyone knows". However, one would assume perhaps.

Bush has doubled aid to Latin America since taking office, to US$ 1.6 billion a year-However, he is unlikely to be able to compete with Chavez's largesse in this department.


Does this mean that Latin America goes to the highest bidder? Or that L.A. is so corrupt it can only be bought? or Latin Americans are so dumb they can only be won over by a "Brinde"?


An opinion poll for the BBC showed that 60% of Brazilians had a negative opinion of him


The BBC should poll American citizens in the U.S. as well.

Viewed in this light is not difficult to see why Chavez, who conducted his own "rival" tour to coincide with Bush's visit, got a better reception.


Idiots who give their countries money away are far more entertaining in proportion to how much they give away. Real idiots are also more entertaining than
those perceived to be idiots.


it is a good thing for Brazil's most important trading partner to be visiting their country


Did I hear "Brazil's most important trading partner" tell that one to the common Brazilian.


Bush has doubled aid to Latin America since taking office, to US$ 1.6 billion a year, although the bulk of this goes to the rightwing government of Colombia and the self-evidently ludicrous "war on drugs".


If it is Ludicrous would the alternative Left wing Government exporting massive amounts of drugs be more logical?

One begins to wonder who is more paranoid or delusional? As Radical Islam is threatening to destroy the society we current abhor, the press focuses more and more on Bush and the U.S. and its failings. As far as ignorance goes lets not point to just Brazil, because there is a more pervasive growing ignorance in the first world.
Especially beginning with the press. Radical Islam knows that its their time now, because we let them know it is. Best one can do is become Gay and wait for a holy war or convert to Islam! Meanwhile lets continue to bash Bush because he stood up to the challenge. Everyone loved the smooth talking Adulterous Clinton, because he best represented our current morals.
Che Guevarra Is Dead !!!...
written by all american, March 14, 2007
LATAM leftists, socialists, communists... find they are a " day late and a dollar short"....
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written by bo, March 14, 2007
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written by Ric, 2007-03-14 13:52:00

Why were the precautions paranoid if the loathing is as deep and widespread as indicated?


written by aes, 2007-03-14 14:27:30

Why was the turn out so miniscule if the 'loathing' is so deep?


Exactly. This clown is just another "anti-american" of the moment. Just wait for another 5 years, when it's "hip" to be "american" again, you'll see these clowns change their tune.


hUGO First
written by all american, March 14, 2007
the left blindly marches to their grave...
More bollox
written by Nob Jockey, March 14, 2007
Radical Islam? "It's time is now" what myth. An American invention, you obviously have the facts on this all screwed up, it's American foreign policy since WW1 that has lead to this situation, and it is America's buddies in Saudi who are funding the spread of a radical form of Islam (Wahhabism) - so the oil you consume supports the expansion of Islam. You must be another Fox News aficionado. So what about the radical Judaeo Christian fanatics influencing American policy? There is such focus on the US because of its influence on events across the globe, or don't you get this? Why is America so interested in the rest of the world? because of it's need for ever expanding corporate colonialism, or don't you get this either? I suppose you are in denial about global warming also? Therefore in denial about the role that American industry played in spending millions creating spurious anti-global warming studies. Cheney as recently as two weeks was still towing the oil industry line. It seems you want to simplify everything so that is conforms to this mindless "them or us" scenario. Your country is in serious trouble. It's such a shame so many Americans are oblivious to this fact.
Professor
written by Ludwig Van Beethoven, March 14, 2007
One begins to wonder who is more paranoid or delusional? As Radical Islam is threatening to destroy the society we current abhor, the press focuses more and more on Bush and the U.S. and its failings. As far as ignorance goes lets not point to just Brazil, because there is a more pervasive growing ignorance in the first world.
Especially beginning with the press. Radical Islam knows that its their time now, because we let them know it is. Best one can do is become Gay and wait for a holy war or convert to Islam! Meanwhile lets continue to bash Bush because he stood up to the challenge. Everyone loved the smooth talking Adulterous Clinton, because he best represented our current morals.


I agree, good job, could not have said it better. I will return to my reading of Oriana Fallaci's book now. The rage and the pride. Oriana has a lot of courage, wow...
Nob Jockey?
written by aes, March 14, 2007
Did you know that the original plan for the invasion of Iraq was 275,000 men? Did you know the invasion of Iraq was planned Oct 2001? What do you know and where do you get your information?

And why in your infinite wisdom after twenty years are you unable to change the quality of life in greater Brazil?

Take your energy and direct it to your own house, speak with such crassness of your own representatives in government. . .you are obsessed with George W Bush, but you do nothing but 'froth' and rant you 'loath' the state of affairs in Brazil, but do nothing about it. Your eternal carping is meaningless. Try accessing CSPAN.com and interpret without the filter of others the truths that are to be directly witnessed without 'Fox News' , listen to the daily press briefings from the White House and form your opinion there. . .listen inside Congress without censorship. . .apply your analytic skills at the source. Then form an opinion. America in truth does not concern you, you do not live there, you are missing half the wit you profess. . .you are tiring your ignorance boring, your conclsions fatuous. Our problems are our problems, your criticism irrelevant, your opinion useless. . .Stop obsessing on the United States. . .we have our own problems we are at war. . .you cant even stop crime and graft and murder. . .what do you know of global realities. . .we are not conducting foreign policy to be liked. . .your opinion is irrelevent.
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written by A brazilian, March 14, 2007
Excessive use of "..." and, AES, the same stupidity as always. I wonder, though, why americans are so touchy when people criticize them. Aren't you the ones that say that "are used to it"? It doesn't look like you are.
Nobber nobs nobs
written by Professor, March 14, 2007
Nob Jockey, better for you to have less nob and more jockeying...
I get the feeling I inadvertently offended your "Life Partner"

Radical Islam? "It's time is now" what myth


I quoted what the Rad.Islamist are saying and "doing". Probably you are one who believes the holocaust did not happen, or 9/11 was orchestrated by the American Gov.?


it's American foreign policy since WW1 that has lead to this situation


Good to quote this when you do not have a clue.


So what about the radical Judaeo Christian fanatics influencing American policy


And who are they, exactly? If if they are a mighty force with bombs strapped to their ass where do we find them?

There is such focus on the US because of its influence on events across the globe, or don't you get this?


This is called a superpower. A superpower who does not like to be attacked.

Why is America so interested in the rest of the world?


We wondered the same thing before we entered World War 2. Also we are the world leading economic superpower which means the world must be stable to support a stable economy.

I suppose you are in denial about global warming also?


Sure seems to be getting warmer to me, then again sometimes it gets cold too.
I will leave that one to the climatologist. Let them make that call.

It seems you want to simplify everything so that is conforms to this mindless "them or us" scenario


If a radical group repeteadly killed members of your family and friends would it
not be you against them? or would it be them against you. If they threatened to blow your country off the face of the map? Would you give them a nob? or make them give you a nob? Nob.
"America in truth does not concern you, you do not live there"
written by Nob Jockey, March 14, 2007
with that statement you have proven that your comprehension of this post-industrial 21st century of ours is very limited. Even George Bush would appreciate the stupidity of that remark.

News does not boil down to two sources as you seem to suggest. I survey a wide selection of sources from global news feeds available through various web-bot based services. No filters, just raw news from a broad cross section of sources. My views are based largely on fact, unlike yours, which seems to be derived from some patriotic instinct i.e. your gut; as opposed to your brain. The truth is out there, you just have to take off those stupid all American shades you are wearing, or maybe you like being f**ked in the ass by your own president.

I don't actually come from Brazil, no idea why you should automatically assume that, are you a xenophobe or something?

My opinion is a valid as yours, then again, the all Amercian hegemony now invalidates the opinions of those outside it's borders; it knows best.
Ellipsis. . .A.Brazilian. . .Um Brasileiro
written by aes, March 14, 2007
Ellipsis Έλλειψις (plural: ellipses ελλείψεις, Greek for "omission") in linguistics refers to any omitted part of speech that is understood; i.e. the omission is intentional. . .as to 'stupidity' the usage of the word itself manifests a level of intellect that the word describes.

I'm not the one that says 'are used to it'. . .I'm the one that says it is irrelevent.
Job Nockey
written by Professor, March 14, 2007

I survey a wide selection of sources from global news feeds available through various web-bot based services. No filters, just raw news from a broad cross section of sources.

You are more full of a s**t than a Christmas Goose

More bollox

Brit are ya aye? Are you getting your information from one of these sources?
"King and King", about a gay prince, or "And Tango Makes Three", about gay penguins.


http://today.reuters.co.uk/news/articlenews.aspx?

type=topNews&storyID=2007-03-14T064523Z_01_L13634838_RTRUKOC_0_UK-BRITAIN-GAY-
CHILDREN.xml&pageNumber=0&imageid=&cap=&sz=13&WTModLoc=NewsArt-C1-ArticlePage2


Aes...can't write...without it
written by A brazilian, March 14, 2007
Was it...really...intentional...?
Nob Jockey. . .where are you from?
written by aes, March 14, 2007
Well your jargon and syntax, style of writing especially of the denegrative, the use of the word 'stupidity' led me to deduce dear Watson that you are the 'A Brazilian'.

If you are not from Brazil why the mystery?

I have two sons in the Navy so I have a vested interest in the rapid and successful prosecution of this war.
It is an economic hegemony.

Your use of the word xenophobic is inappropriately used.

A person unduly fearful or contemptuous of that which is foreign, especially of strangers or foreign peoples
xeno·phobi·a n xeno·phobic adj

I have lived in Paris on the island of Cite next to Notre Dame and I have lived in Amsterdam, the Dutch being my favourite enlightened peoples of Europe and Paris the greatest city on Earth.

And you are linguistically malapropian, and fatuously contentious.
Um Brazileiro
written by aes, March 14, 2007
Your use of the ellipses is incorrect.
"Good to quote this when you do not have a clue".
written by Nob Jockey, March 14, 2007
Really here's a brief overview

"Given the historical significance of the Ottoman Empire’s demise in 1918, and the ongoing importance of Middle Eastern oil reserves to Western economies, a close study of this conflict provides two important lessons:

1. The Treaty of Versailles, agreed to by the Western Powers in 1919, paved the way for military and political chaos in the Middle East, which continues to this very day.

2. Oil reserves in the Middle East became an important strategic concern for Western Powers, helping to justify their economic, diplomatic and military interference in the region.

After the end of World War I, most of the Ottoman Empire was carved up into “spheres of influence”, controlled mostly by the British and French. The remaining territories became the modern state of Turkey in 1923 – after a five-year struggle by Turkish nationalists against Western domination.

With little regard for cultural, historical, religious and demographic considerations, the West sponsored the creation of several new nations: Iraq, Syria, Lebanon, Palestine, Jordan and Saudi Arabia. Thus, a “tinderbox” was built from Western greed, igniting a multitude of wars, revolts, coups and military occupations that truly have made the defeat of the Ottoman Empire little more than a hollow victory."

There are innumerable sources to support the thesis that the notion of a global Islamist terrorist network existed prior to 9/11 was a myth. The Americans created the term 'Al Qaeda'. Before 9/11, Osama bin Laden’s group was small and fractious. Washington inadvertently helped to build it into a global threat. Another myth, just like Saddams yellow cake purchase and his non-existent weapons of mass destruction. Fact, not conspiracy.


In relation to Judaeo/Christian influence. Here's a Harvard paper called 'THE ISRAEL LOBBY AND U.S. FOREIGN POLICY' http://ksgnotes1.harvard.edu/R...1_walt.pdf
should make things a little clearer for you.

And here for your amusement is a well documented site from Cornell University dedicated to 'The Rise of the Religious Right in the Republican Party' http://www.theocracywatch.org/introduction2.htm

Suicide bombs? Cluster bombs? DU weaponry? no difference, people are dying because of religion and greed, picking hairs about methods is meaningless. What difference is there between shelling civilians and strapping a bomb to yourself? none, people end-up dead in both instances.

Anyway on this site we have gay bashers, xenophobes, pedantic nobs who picks hairs about word usage so they can appear more clever than they really are (when they probably generate sentences using a Java based profundity generator), and another person who doesn't no what a web-bot based news service is, it's probably all the same person anyway; that only way he can make his (I’m presuming you are male because a woman would have more sense) office job exciting is by pretending to be lot's of different people and go about posting pro-American garbage on obscure left wing news boards. Hey, good job, you are really working hard for your country. Gee, America, what a great place.
Loads of US agents here!!!
written by Portugal, March 14, 2007
Please learn the real news:

It's the Dollar, Stupid!

Why do gold and silver usually decline along with the stock market these days when it should work the other way around?

Write down the following on a sheet of paper in big block letters with a felt-tip marker and pin it on the wall above your desk where you can see it every day: It's the dollar, stupid!

The dollar is the key. Watch it. Currently, they move heaven and earth to keep it above 84.0. That keeps gas cheap, the stock market inflated and people thinking that it is just another day. It went under 84.0 a bit yesterday. It sank further today.

They push the dollar up by manipulating precious metals (PM) and stock index futures markets.

They couldn't wait to shore up the dollar until Friday this week because momentum was building from yesterday. Friday is their favored day because (1) so many traders take 3-day weekends, (2) there is no overseas market until Sunday (because it already is tomorrow in Japan, due to the International Date Line) and (3) the lesson of a drop in the price of gold and silver is best imprinted on the minds of an off-work, Internet-surfing, hand-wringing public that must live with their PM losses until the markets open again on Monday.

Right now, in the overseas markets, gold and silver are being hammered down - it is easier to do in that much smaller, thinner market. Already, the indicator for the dollar has gone positive, as a result. Expect more tomorrow. Expect lots more on Friday if tomorrow doesn't do the trick and past patterns hold up. When the dollar gets back above 84.0, they let up. Just watch and see if the dollar doesn't move back above 84.0 on Friday if it doesn't manage to get there tomorrow.

If we are lucky, by Friday silver might well be bashed down near $12.00, which is a good next buy point. Other buy points might well exist for every 50 cents they knock silver down below 12, if we are lucky enough for that to happen. When the prices of gold and silver come back, it will happen too fast to get on board the train, so put that thought out of your mind. Yes, you are that obvious.

Eventually, the dollar's floor-at-any-cost will have to drop to 83.0, then 82.0 and so on. Gold and silver will plateau upward in lockstep with the dollar's stair-step controlled descent. How far can it go? How deep is the ocean? Can you say Z-E-R-O, boys and girls?

To keep the dollar Ponzi scheme afloat, they keep increasing the money supply, which originates in debt. If for no other reason, this fact alone guarantees our invading Iran and setting off WWIII. The debt must be blamed on something other than the perps running the system.

It is a juggling act where the juggler keeps throwing another ball into the air to add to the in-progress performance, else the audience begins to lose interest. Logic demands that, eventually, he will start dropping balls - probably all of them because he will try to save the first one he misses, then the second, then....

Now that the housing market no longer is sopping up all those excess dollars that must be created, over and above those we give China for toaster ovens and those we expend in the Middle East, they have to go somewhere. The stock market will not decline - they are holding it level to keep middle America complacent (pensions and IRAs, donchaknow) and have been doing so for so long that it now has set a record for sideways stability. Nor will they allow the market to pump up again like they did a few years ago before it laid an egg (the money leaving it went into real estate and commodities). Where will those dollars now leaving real estate go, do you suppose? Been to the grocery store lately?

Just yesterday, the dean of Wall Street, Richard Russell, said: "The best measure of the dollar is that number of dollars it requires to purchase a measure of pure wealth -- an ounce of gold. Gold is both the unit and the messenger. The government and the central bank fear the messenger. The reason why they fear the messenger is obvious - they are frightened of the message."

The message? The dollar is doomed and hyperinflation can be seen just over the horizon. Yet another reason for war, upon which they will blame it all.

It's the dollar, stupid.

Yes, it is just that simple.
Nob Jockey
written by Professor, March 14, 2007
Thank you for all the informative information. But It does not quite make up
for your prior senseless posts. Firstly you did not back up any of your comments with sense. I can not quite imagine that if anyone was to read all the information
that you posted that it would yet back up any of your ideas.
I think you are now trying to appear more cleaver than you are!
Stating that Radical Islam is an American invention surely shows your biased grasp on reality. I am sure Muhammad's followers would laugh in your face. Also it appears that you are biased towards Israel and their relation with the United States.
It would be best that you convert to Islam, to fight the Great Satin! Where ever you live on this planet you are forced to eventually choose sides, because when it comes down to it no one likes cowardly fence riders.
Yes It Is
written by Ric, March 14, 2007
I am afraid you are right. Why do the Brazilian authorities make buy gold here so difficult? Not that it matters, if the dollar goes so do all South American currencies.
Trade Unions, students and activists protesting? BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
written by US_Kicks_Evil_Butts, March 14, 2007
Trade Unions have no grasp of national economies, are self serving destructive parasitic leeches in the countries that harbor them. Trade Unions are like a cancer—they fare less well in healthy economies than in weaker ones, and given time or everything they want, will destroy national economies. Students are devoid of wisdom and life experiences....all they have is raw energy and have traditionally been used as puppets by their political/military puppetmasters. Activists are typicall commie, leftwing and/or liberal losers who've historically not contributed an iota to modern scientific progress or strenghtening economies.

So it says a lot when these idiot LOSERS demonstrate agains Bush.
NOB JOCKEY Close. . . Sykes-Picot England, France and Russia the cause 'celebre'
written by aes, March 14, 2007

Partitioning of the Ottoman Empire
During World War I, the British and French divided the Middle East in the Sykes-Picot Agreement. The Treaty of Sèvres which was ratified by Treaty of Lausanne led to the creation of the modern Middle East and Republic of Turkey. The League of Nations granted France mandates over the Syria and the Lebanon and granted the United Kingdom mandates over the Iraq and the Palestine (which was comprised of two autonomous regions: Palestine and Transjordan). Parts of the Ottoman Empire on the Arabian Peninsula became parts of what are today Saudi Arabia and Yemen.
In summer of 1941 Britain and the USSR invaded Iran to prevent Iran from allying with the Axis powers. The Allies occupied Iran, securing a supply line to Russia, Iran's petroleum infrastructure, and forced the Shah to abdicate in favor of his son, Mohammad Reza Pahlavi. In 1951, a nationalist politician, Dr. Mohammed Mossadegh rose to prominence in Iran and was elected Prime Minister. As Prime Minister, Mossadegh became enormously popular in Iran by nationalizing the Anglo-Iranian Oil Company (later British Petroleum, BP) which controlled the country's oil reserves. In response, Britain embargoed Iranian oil and began plotting to depose Mossadegh. Members of the British Intelligence Service invited the United States to join them, convincing U.S. President Eisenhower that Mossadegh was reliant on the Tudeh (Communist) Party to stay in power. In 1953, President Eisenhower authorized Operation Ajax, and the CIA took the lead in overthrowing Mossadegh and supporting a US-friendly monarch.
It was the realization that the future of warfare was mechanization and as a consequence oil was going to be manifestly of vital cosequence. History is a thousand years in becoming the NOW.

God bless the English and the French and Russia for the state of the world is of their making.
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written by Ludwig Van Beethoven, March 14, 2007
Really here's a brief overview

"Given the historical significance of the Ottoman Empire’s demise in 1918, and the ongoing importance of Middle Eastern oil reserves to Western economies, a close study of this conflict provides two important lessons:

1. The Treaty of Versailles, agreed to by the Western Powers in 1919, paved the way for military and political chaos in the Middle East, which continues to this very day.

2. Oil reserves in the Middle East became an important strategic concern for Western Powers, helping to justify their economic, diplomatic and military interference in the region.

After the end of World War I, most of the Ottoman Empire was carved up into “spheres of influence”, controlled mostly by the British and French. The remaining territories became the modern state of Turkey in 1923 – after a five-year struggle by Turkish nationalists against Western domination.

With little regard for cultural, historical, religious and demographic considerations, the West sponsored the creation of several new nations: Iraq, Syria, Lebanon, Palestine, Jordan and Saudi Arabia. Thus, a “tinderbox” was built from Western greed, igniting a multitude of wars, revolts, coups and military occupations that truly have made the defeat of the Ottoman Empire little more than a hollow victory."

There are innumerable sources to support the thesis that the notion of a global Islamist terrorist network existed prior to 9/11 was a myth. The Americans created the term 'Al Qaeda'. Before 9/11, Osama bin Laden’s group was small and fractious. Washington inadvertently helped to build it into a global threat. Another myth, just like Saddams yellow cake purchase and his non-existent weapons of mass destruction. Fact, not conspiracy.


Wrong Mr.Nob Jockey. I see that you know very little of Ottoman History, the claim is just stupid to tell you the truth. The part "a global Islamist terrorist network existed prior to 9/11 was a myth." is criminal.
To a brazilian !
written by ch.c., March 14, 2007
Quite laughable your statement : You can't write... you can't think...you don't make any sense... !!!!!!

If brazilians are so smart, so educated, so cultured, SOOOOO skilled......WHY IT DOESNT APPEAR IN ANY WORLD COMPARISON RANKINGS `??????

Do you want me to show you once more, how UNEDUCATED BRAZILIANS ARE, AS PER JORNAL HODJE, OWNED BY GLOBO TELEVISION AND PROVING THAT IN ONE OF THEIR OWN TEST INVOLVING STUDENTS FROM 32 COUNTRIES.......BRAZIL SHINED AGAIN......BY BEING RANKED-----L A S T !!!!!!!
Yesssssss....WORSE THAN BRAZILIANS THERE IS NONE !!!!!!

And dont worry you will remain the backyard not only of the USA, but also the EU and Japan.
What you dont know yet, is that in a decade or so you will even be the backyard of.......CHINA and SOUTH KOREA .
Simply because 95 % of your exports are BASIC COMMODITES......WITH VERY LOW BRAZILIAN TECHNOLOGY AND WITH VERY LITTLE ADDED VALUE !!!!!!

Brazilians are born losers !
Mr.Nob Jockey
written by Ludwig Van Beethoven, March 14, 2007
Now, please explain this and how it can support your argument:

And here for your amusement is a well documented site from Cornell University dedicated to 'The Rise of the Religious Right in the Republican Party' http://www.theocracywatch.org/introduction2.htm
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written by Ludwig Van Beethoven, March 14, 2007
Anyway on this site we have gay bashers, xenophobes, pedantic nobs who picks hairs about word usage so they can appear more clever than they really are (when they probably generate sentences using a Java based profundity generator), and another person who doesn't no what a web-bot based news service is, it's probably all the same person anyway; that only way he can make his (I’m presuming you are male because a woman would have more sense) office job exciting is by pretending to be lot's of different people and go about posting pro-American garbage on obscure left wing news boards. Hey, good job, you are really working hard for your country. Gee, America, what a great place


Now, this one is very funny... Are you serious?
Now, please explain this and how it can support your argument:
written by Nob Jockey, March 14, 2007
Follow the thread nitwit, there's a reason why it's all there.
The Brazzil.com Commandos
written by Costinha, March 14, 2007
Lindo Viado Brasileiro – Rickie (the viado americano) – Processor (dumb a*****e) – aes (Absolutely Egotistical Sucker) – 100% All American (Moron) – and others….

You're all so dumb… you all should be watered at least twice a week!
Portugal: 'all that glitters is not gold' some of it is platinum, palladium, rhodium.
written by aes, March 14, 2007
The dollar is backed by armament and technology. The deficit spending necessary to prosecute the war is what drove the price of gold from $275 to $740 with every success in the war the price of gold will fall. The value of gold is what it costs to mine it ($200 an oz plus or minus).
When Newt Gingrich put an end to deficit spending gold dropped from $820 to $280. . .gold has been cheap for a decade because Russia has been selling literally tons of it. Gold at $300 is worth buying at $600 or $800 it is 'a fools errand'. Gold is only worth what you can sell it for, as is the value of anything. . .the U.S. is also the largest producer of food on the planet, though I like the Canadian dollar, it is undervalued, gold is not.
Thank you for all the informative information. But It does not quite make up
written by Nob Jockey, March 14, 2007
listen I don't have the time or interest to point to documentation for everything I spout, there are commentators I would normally point to but not when dealing with conservatives who are too brain washed by US propanganda (originally pioneered by Bernays to sell you all cigarettes) to see the wood from the trees, at the mention of certain names they switch off, it would be like telling me Bill O Riley said so, so it must be true, if you had a clue you would know where the truth lies, and yes the use of the term 'Al Qaeda' in reference to a global terrorist network was fabricated by US intelligence, fact. Bin Laden adopted the tag after it was introduced by the Americans.
Partitioning of the Ottoman Empire
written by Nob Jockey, March 14, 2007
America proiftted just like all the other Western nations involved in carving the Middle East up, and moreso after WW2, but since you are going to nit pick again, for the record the US has been tied economically - to a lesser extent than in the last 50 - to that region for over 200 years The Middle East and the Making of the United States, 1776 to 1815 http://www.columbia.edu/cu/new...lOren.html
is what drove the price of gold from $275 to $740 ?????
written by ch.c., March 14, 2007
Quite stupid for a statement !!!!

AES DOESNT SEEM TO KNOW THAT THERE WAS AND STILL IS A WORLD ECONOMIC RECOVERY.....SINCE 2003.
And it is not du to the war that Gold, oil, coffee, iron ore, copper, zinc, aluminum, world real estate for which prices jumped....but due to the world ECONOMIC RECOVERY !

World recovery launched by the USA when they put their interest rates near zero and at the lowest level in about 50 years and also accepted to have a HUGE TRADE DEFICIT !!!!!!

SIMPLE EQUATION OF SUPPLY AND DEMAND !!!

ALTHOUGH BRAZIL BENEFITTED FROM THE INCREASED DEMAND IN OTHER COUNTRIES WHICH INCREASED THEIR EXPORTS, THEY TOTALLY FAILED IN THEIR OWN INTERNAL DEMAND.

This explain why Brazil had, has and will continue to have the lowest economic growth rate of ALL developing nations.
Brazil should be fired from the BRIC, since you have only BARELY 30 % of the others econonomic growth rate !
Dear "ch.c."
written by Costinha, March 14, 2007
This one is for you... (.....o.....) PPPPPPPPPPrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr!

Got my drift?
The part "a global Islamist terrorist network existed prior to 9/11 was a myth." is criminal
written by "we don't do body counts", March 14, 2007
No, what's criminal is the Neo-cons sending over 3000 troops to there deaths based on fabricated intelligence (not to mention the tens of thousands or Iraqi civillians), andhey lets open this one up even further, 9/11? they knew it was going to happen, and they did nothing, deal with it. They let those people in that building die, deal with it, you have a country run by criminals, deal with it, evil bastards who sacrifice lives for profit, deal with it, evil bastards who have been selling your country out and will continue doing so, deal with it, just as long as their bank balances look good when the retire, f**king scum. You think 9/11 was the wake up call? Think again, becasue the s**t has not even begun hitiing the fan. End days! Rejoice! Dies Irae
To Costinha !!!
written by ch.c., March 14, 2007
Ohhhh we all knew you are a brazilian cow ! Your drift has the same smell !
Looks like too you got the same brains and education than brazilians cows.

Enjoy your 12 daily dungs, because this is what cattles produce !!!!
"we don't do body counts"
written by Ludwig Van Beethoven, March 14, 2007
How can I answer to such ignorance. I recommend you do something, the hate you demonstrated is not constructive. If you are implying that I American, you are wrong.
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written by Ludwig Van Beethoven, March 14, 2007
If you are implying that I am American,you are wrong.
Conor's books include Combating Torture: a Manual for Judges and Prosecutors (2003)
written by ch.c., March 14, 2007
In my view Conor should continue to write on the same subjects as his book......ESPECIALLY WHEN TALKING ABOUT BRAZIL !!!!!!

His manual is in dire need in Brazil, where Torture is the daily life in Brazilian jails, from brazilian polices, and same daily life for their (IN)Justice dept made of corrupted and inept judges.

They are so great that they did condemned a young girl, 19 years old, to 4 years in jail......because she has stolen a.....tube of butter !!!!!!
On the other hand they dont put most criminals in jail, they acquit them or delay their trials....FOR YEARS AND YEARS !!!!!
And they acquit the criminals if they have been arrested wihtout too much investigations, otherwise they dont even bother to arrest them.

Brazil is simply a BANANA REPUBLIC !!!!!.
Mr. Nob Jockey
written by Ludwig Van Beethoven, March 14, 2007
Partitioning of the Ottoman Empire
written by Nob Jockey, 2007-03-14 19:25:19

America proiftted just like all the other Western nations involved in carving the Middle East up, and moreso after WW2, but since you are going to nit pick again, for the record the US has been tied economically - to a lesser extent than in the last 50 - to that region for over 200 years The Middle East and the Making of the United States, 1776 to 1815 http://www.columbia.edu/cu/new...lOren.html


I read the link, interesting. I recommend. But still I do not see how it proves your point, quite the opposite. Your argument is kind of like 2 2=7. If I am wrong please explain. America was robbed by North African pirates, well, it happened to every nation that traded at this period. Mr. Michael Oren is correct, Tripoli was important in terms of military threat to the US, Now, ask the Portuguese the same. The suggestion that the USA was formed because of what happened in Algiers seems very simplistic.
TO COWSTAIN A
written by all american, March 14, 2007
Your documents are suspect !...You drive without a license... You have overstayed your visit...your frothing monkee mouth implies you are impotent, a loser, a hater, a pathetic inept insignificant...
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written by e harmony, March 14, 2007
Conor Foley,

Your article is one of the best I have read on this site thus far. Outstanding opinion piece, concise, balanced and not cumbersomely written.

I know some disagree with your article, and I have just quickly scrolled through some of the responses and have not read much of them, but in my opinion it was a good article.
TO: VAN Beethoven
written by VON Beethoven, March 14, 2007
What do you think about the following e-mail that I received?

Em 31 de Março de 1964, militares e civis, atendendo clamor da população
ordeira do Brasil, que se manifestaram em praças públicas do Rio de
Janeiro, São Paulo, Belo Horizonte e outras capitais, na época alcançando
números de manifestantes acima dos 3 milhões de brasileiros com espírito
cívico, contra o caos vigente, greves políticas, insubordinação nas
Forças Armadas, desabastecimento dos Supermercados e inflação galopante
deteriorando o salário dos trabalhadores, as Forças Armadas atenderam o
clamor popular e deu um basta, um ponto final, aos simpatizantes da
ideologia comunista, em sua segunda tentativa de tornar o Brasil mais um
satélite, da Extinta União das Repúblicas Soviéticas -URSS, tipo um
Sputinik, um satélite tipo Cuba ou um Vietnã, como afirmam estes
comunistas em seus livros bibliográficos confessando suas reais intenções
e tentando serem vistos como mártires ou heróis pelos seus seguidores
após sucessivas lavagens cerebrais Marxistas e da cartilha de Mao Tse
Tung, mas esses militares incompetentes livraram o Brasil do jugo
comunista.

VAN Beethoven
written by VON Beethoven, March 14, 2007
Continues:

Continuaram esses militares incompetentes em suas tentativas mal
planejadas e desenvolvidas em acelerar o defasamento desenvolvimentista
brasileiro e o que fizeram, não estatizaram as telecomunicações e sim
respeitando os contratos anteriormente pactuados compraram as empresas de
telefonia e criaram a Telebrás e conseguiram desta forma, o que não se
conseguia antes que no Rio de Janeiro telefones das Empresas TCB e Cetel,
que dentro do Estado o assinante só se comunicasse via telefonistas,
conseguissem fazer suas ligações diretamente sem o auxílio da telefonista
e pior criaram a Embratel e estações de Satélite em Itaboraí no Rio de
Janeiro, além de redes de Telecomunicações de Microondas, desta forma
facilitando as comunicações via satélite não só para o seu emprego na
telefonia, mas como facilitou o surgimento das Redes de Televisão de
alcance Nacional, a idéia de se desenvolver o Pólo Industrial nas
Telcomunicações era idéia de jerico, tanto que isto tudo foi vendido a
preço de banana caribenha, quando só se podia ter acabado com o
monopólio, mas Telecomunicações não é assunto de Segurança Nacional,
tanto que por isso os EUA não deixam empresas estrangeiras assumirem o
controle das suas, o desenvolvimento das Telecomunicações feita no Brasil
na década de 60/70 é muita incompetência desses militares.

VAN Beethoven
written by VON Beethoven, March 14, 2007
Part 3

Para piorar, esses incompetentes acreditando na falácia de que o Petróleo
é nosso, o que fizeram: aceleraram as pesquisas para a prospecção de
petróleo e acreditaram na viabilidade do projeto considerando a relação
custos x benefícios e incrementaram a prospecção em plataformas
submarinas na Bacia de Campos, daí surgindo o maior pólo petroquímico do
País no Estado do Rio de Janeiro.
Mas não, esses militares incompetentes, sem planejamento nenhum e com a
crise do petróleo o que fizeram, incentivaram pesquisas de biocombustível,
e daí surgiu um tal de Álcool Combustível o tal do Ethanol, pra quê isto,
cana de açúcar, só serve para rapadura e cachaça, pinga, manguassa, mas
que piada, são mesmo u