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Only a Revolution Will Take Brazil Out of the 19th Century PDF Print E-mail
Written by Cristovam Buarque   
Monday, 02 April 2007 13:39

Brazilian kids at play The Brazilian people are oscillating between disappointment and gratitude: disappointment over how long it is taking to solve old problems and a strange sense of gratitude for the handouts that are left over from the public budget and are distributed to the poor.

We are divided between a rich minority - with schooling, health insurance and all the advantages of the modern world - and a multitude of the poor - without schooling, without health services and without access to the advantages of modernity.

We are living in a situation of social apartheid, separated by a wall of backwardness, as if we had one foot in the 19th century and the other in the 21st. And with this march in opposite directions we have stopped advancing.

Our present is marked by the shame of poor education. As we are moving little by little, we are remaining behind in the race for an outstanding place in history. In a time of knowledge-based economy, Brazil is in the rearguard of the scientific advance, which is based upon K-12 education.

We will overcome that distance separating us from the developed countries only if we succeed in accumulating knowledge and reducing inequalities. And the only road for this is a revolution in education.

President Lula announced a set of measures for the educational sector called "Plan for Development of Education" (PDE). We have seen the announcement, made with great fanfare, of a package that will increase to an additional 8 billion reais (US$ 3.9 billion) for education. We have even heard the President himself declare that, in terms of education, "we are among the worst in the world."

The Plan contains highly laudable proposals, such as the incentive to the thousand municipalities demonstrating the worst educational indicators and the demand that in turn the municipality do its part. There is also one great advance, which is the establishment of salary floor for teachers. But a central point deserves our reflection.

In terms of education, the necessary modifications cannot be achieved through simple evolution. Brazil does not need improvements made by some well-intentioned mayors. What it does need is a revolutionary leap on a national level.

That leap in education requires drastic, audacious, revolutionary decisions. This means more than the allocation of an additional 8 billion reais in a country that already applies 60 billion reais (US$ 29 billion) to education annually and still does not succeed in changing. It does not change because it spends unwisely, squandering resources, wasting good will.

This picture will change only if the federal government itself assumes the responsibility for K-12 education, just as it has already done with higher education.

If what I am calling "federalization" of K-12 education were to be implemented, using measures truly capable of transforming the sad picture of Brazilian education, Brazil might even successfully break down the walls that separate us from the developed countries and divide us domestically.

Making elementary education the responsibility of the municipalities and high-school education the responsibility of the states will impede quality and maintain the inequities in education since it will depend upon the wealth of the city and of the state and upon the determination of mayors and governors.

With the federalization of K-12 education, the federal government is transformed into the executor of the educational system and the President of the Republic, the leader of the mobilization for education.

To achieve this, a ministry must be dedicated exclusively to K-12 education, while higher education should be passed into the hands of the Ministry of Science and Technology. It is necessary to implant full-day sessions in all the public schools, along with educational, athletic, artistic and cultural activities.

Also needed is a definition of national standards for all the Brazilian schools in terms of buildings, equipment, student achievement, and teacher preparation.

Most important is legislation that guarantees the implementation of this federalization: a Law of Goals for Education defining the national long-term proposals for Brazilian education; and a Law of Educational Responsibility obliging the politicians to meet the educational goals defined by law.

These are only a few of the proposals that I am defending, proposing not a simple plan but rather a revolution in education.

These measures will help to create millions of jobs, allowing Brazil to change and make the only revolution possible and logical in today's world: instead of nationalizing financial or physical capital, disseminate the capital of knowledge; use pencils instead of rifles and teachers instead of guerrillas; and instead of trenches and barricades, use schools.

Cristovam Buarque has a Ph.D. in economics. He is a PDT senator for the Federal District and was Governor of the Federal District (1995-98) and Minister of Education (2003-04). He is the current president of the Senate Education Commission. Last year he was a presidential candidate. You can visit his homepage - www.cristovam.com.br - and write to him at This e-mail address is being protected from spambots. You need JavaScript enabled to view it

Translated from the Portuguese by Linda Jerome - This e-mail address is being protected from spambots. You need JavaScript enabled to view it .

Comments (208)Add Comment
LAUGH....LAUGH.....LAUGH !!!!!!
written by ch.c., April 02, 2007
Looks like than when I wrote many times :

Brazil is an archaïc and medieval country

I am not alone saying it.

Even a Brazilian, ex presidential candidate, ex governor, ex senator, ex education minister..........SAYS THE SAME....AND IN WRITING !!!!!!!!

Enjoy your Tropical Mud ! Quite smelly !

furthermore....when Lula says on Brazilian Education ""we are among the worst in the world."
written by ch.c., April 02, 2007
....is also what I have been saying time and time again !!!!!

Curiously few brazilians agreed with my comments !

Strange that even Lula acknowledges it......when he doesnt contradict himself....by saying the exact opposite !

Even in a test done by Jornal Hodje, owned by Globo TV, Brazilians students came LAST in the test involving students from 32 countries !!!!!!!!!!

Another Gold Medal for Brazil if as usual you cheat and inverse the rankings !!!!!!!!

Laugh....laugh....laugh !
and...use pencils instead....instead of sugarcane machete !!!!!
written by ch.c., April 02, 2007
and creating millions of jobs in charcoal industries, pig iron, sugarcane workers and cutters, coffee beans manual harvesters.....MANY BRAZILIANS POLITICIANS AND CITIZENS
WILL SAY.... BASIC EDUCATION IS NOT EVEN NEEDED FOR THESE WORKERS !!!!!!

Just compare Brazil and South Korea :
- 4 decades ago, South Korea was poorer than Brazil
- today they have 86,5 % of students with University degree, Brazil 10,5 %
- As per Mailson Da Nobrega, ex finance Minister :" South Korea, for example, spends one-third of what it spends on education on pensions. In Brazil, the situation is the opposite, with pensions representing two and a half times the amount spent on education."

Therefore it is quite easy to understand why you export sugar, ethanol, coffee, orange juice, iron ore, grains and South Korea export their own cars (not Brazil, there is nooooo Brazilian cars), semiconductors, chips, computers, mobile phones, LCD screens, IPods and all technological gadgets !!!!!!
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written by bo, April 02, 2007
We have even heard the President himself declare that, in terms of education, "we are among the worst in the world."



Always did make me roll my eyes when I would hear a brazilian talk s**t on the american educational system. Not saying it's the best in the world, but it's certainly far from the worst.
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written by Não interessa, April 02, 2007
This ch s**t has serious freudian problems with Brasil... Education for the poor is s**t in Brasil... SO WHAT! Get a life, a girlfrind or some friends helps sometimes.
Cristovam
written by A brazilian, April 02, 2007
You are too sensationalistic. You make very broad claims and provide no data whatsoever to back it up, it seems more an attempt to downplay the current government and state of things in order to promote yourself as "the savior". You are a senator, please tell us what you and your party is doing to change anything, or just shut up! We are tired of hearing this crap, the same old crap, and no action is taken.

I am glad I didn't vote for you in the last election. You speak so much s**t that's hard to believe that you are really a PhD, the "19th century" part was simply ridiculous. But let's see why:

- That must be why I am typing in a PC, yes, we don't have internet because we are in the 19th century;
- That must be why two thirds of all brazilians (not exactly what you may call a "minority") have a cell phone too, you know, that technology is so 19th century!
- THAT MUST BE WHY 97% OF ALL HOUSEHOLDS HAVE AT LEAST ONE TV! THAT'S SO 19TH CENTURY!. You know, by that time, in the 19th century, everyone had TVs with all those colors and stereo sound;
- That's why a fifth of all brazilians have at least one PC at home (I am not counting PCs at work or access to the internet through school or lan houses);
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written by A brazilian, April 02, 2007
The part of 97% of households with TV is nice. So we can conclude that:

- Either "slave laborers" can afford to buy TVs, hahahahahahaha;
- Or things are not so bad some would like to believe;
The first revolution for Cristovam
written by A brazilian, April 02, 2007
The first revolution you need to make is to start thinking! The whole world will change for you after that.
Salary
written by Romo, April 02, 2007
I make $4000 Canadian per month as a first year teacher. My mother in law in Brazil makes $250 as a principal. A 'salary floor'! Sounds like a base that sits far below the surface. Add to that, she has not been paid for salary increases and awarded benefits for years.
Oh, and to the American. You're education does suck. Deep south education is not much better than NorthEast Brazilian education. 50% couldn't even name your first president.
And a hit reality show these days is, "Are you as smart as a 5th grader". Wow! What academic heights you reach! Pathetic!
Romo
written by A brazilian, April 02, 2007
Yes, let's not say what the economics of both places are, let's just convert the values by the exchange rate of the day and make a simple comparison. Is that intelligent? Wow, we can see "canadian education" in action by that.

A person making R$ 2000,00 in São Paulo is low middle class, in some places of the northeast is RICH! Guess why? And this is the same country.
Mr. Buarque
written by Ric, April 02, 2007
If you really believe that the handouts to the poor come from monies that are "left over from the public budget", and you have a PHD in Economics, I just don´t know what to say. How could you think that? If income is now exceeding outgo, why isn´t more being made of it?
hey ... "written by a Brazilian"
written by decy, April 03, 2007
There's always one person on the forum stil stuck in the ignorance of denial.
Owning a cellphone, a Tv? That sure is proof of an evolving culture, yup you got that right...
Is that really your counter argument for what was clearly a thoughtful reflection of the current state of education in Brazil.
I don't know whether Cristovam is actually a politician for the people or just another corrupt individual trying to bribe his way back into power but I do know that Brazil does indeed have a serious education deficiency (among other things) and everytime someone gets up the nerve to point it out or at least summon some form of awareness to the situation there always seems to be a equal amount of Idiots ready to defend the BS that is now such an integral part of Brazilian culture.

Poverty and violence isn't Brazils biggest ailement. Ignorance and denial is.
The country is as beautiful as it is backwards... and it's a really beautiful country.
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written by Canadese, April 03, 2007
I first visted Brasil in August of 2006, returned in January 2007 and hope to visit again later this year. It is a beautiful country with much natural resources and a diverse population. What suprised me the most was how my expections of visiting a "third world" country was quickly erased. From landing at Sao Paulo Guarulhos Airport to visiting Foz Do Igaucu. Every Brazilian I met had a cell phone. Every house I visited had more than one TV and they had computers, Playstations, DVD players, Satellite, etc. There was nothing third world of the Brasil I saw and the people I met were not wealthy or elite Brasillians.

But not everyone had an education! Most men and women I met had work that paid almost nothing to pay for education that had to be completed while working. I met teachers who's annual wages are disgustling low. Two of the teachers I met were going to University at night to change there careers to earn a better income. That's insane! Teachers are a critical resource, education is the only true way a people can create and sustain change.

PROPERLY Investing money in education should be the first priority of Brasil. With an educated population the People of Brasil would no longer tolerate the crap of the Federal, State and local governments.
Another perspective
written by Gus, April 03, 2007
Well I am an 18 year old Brazilian that is living in the U.S. and when people say that Brazilian education is s**tty i tell them they are f**ken idiots because they have never been there or studied in a normal Brazilian school that isn't on a s**tty part of the country where the U.S. media shows to everyone. From what I have heard and experienced Brazilian schools are way more difficult then American schools at least up to k-12 but thats not the problem. The problem is that in the U.S. no matter what when they finish college they come out of school with a job. In Brazil kids study study study but when they come out of school they have no where to work. Not enough jobs, its not that our schools are bad its just that they have no incentive what is the point of going to school if your not gonna have a future after? now I can't tell you how to solve that because if I knew it I'm sure someone else would of solved it by now I'm only a senior in an American High school about to go to college.
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written by bo, April 03, 2007
written by Romo, 2007-04-02 22:17:55

I make $4000 Canadian per month as a first year teacher. My mother in law in Brazil makes $250 as a principal. A 'salary floor'! Sounds like a base that sits far below the surface. Add to that, she has not been paid for salary increases and awarded benefits for years.
Oh, and to the American. You're education does suck. Deep south education is not much better than NorthEast Brazilian education.


Please Romo, I spent 7 years in the southeast of the U.S., and I've been in the northeast of brazil for close to the last 10 years. Don't try and compare the united states to brazil, let alone the northeast! There are LARGE percentages of children all throughout brazil, and particularly in the northeast, that don't even attend school! They're out on the streets panhandling. At least in the U.S. they are in school, close to 100% attendance up to the age of 16, as if is a LAW in the U.S., parents get put in jail in the U.S. if they're children do not attend school until at least 16 years of age.

And please canuck, you folks up there just have the most wonderful universities, what do you guys do, sit around and watch water turn into ice? smilies/cheesy.gif
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written by bo, April 03, 2007
written by A brazilian, 2007-04-02 22:32:18

Yes, let's not say what the economics of both places are, let's just convert the values by the exchange rate of the day and make a simple comparison. Is that intelligent? Wow, we can see "canadian education" in action by that.

A person making R$ 2000,00 in São Paulo is low middle class, in some places of the northeast is RICH! Guess why? And this is the same country.



And that goes to show you how much you know about your very own country dickhead! I know the northeast well, obviously much better than you, and there is no place where 2.000 reais per month is considered "rich".

You, Abe Razillion, are "intellectually challenged and fatuous", like that one aes?? smilies/wink.gif
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written by bo, April 03, 2007
written by decy, 2007-04-03 02:05:31

Poverty and violence isn't Brazils biggest ailement. Ignorance and denial is.



Couldn't have said it better decy!! Problem is, how do you attempt to find a solution to a problem when the "affected" rejects the notion that a problem even exists?!
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written by bo, April 03, 2007
written by Canadese, 2007-04-03 02:22:22

. There was nothing third world of the Brasil I saw and the people I met were not wealthy or elite Brasillians.


Then unfortunately, you didn't see much. Tell me, were you able to drink the tap water where you were? Were you able to put dirty toilet paper in the toilet and flush afterwards? Exactly what percentages of the cities you were in had saneamento basico? Were the driving laws where you were enforced and respected?

You don't have to answer, I, as well as the others here who "know" brazil, already know the answers.
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written by bo, April 03, 2007
written by Gus, 2007-04-03 02:50:08

Well I am an 18 year old Brazilian that is living in the U.S. and when people say that Brazilian education is s**tty i tell them they are f**ken idiots because they have never been there or studied in a normal Brazilian school that isn't on a s**tty part of the country where the U.S. media shows to everyone. From what I have heard and experienced Brazilian schools are way more difficult then American schools at least up to k-12 but thats not the problem. The problem is that in the U.S. no matter what when they finish college they come out of school with a job. In Brazil kids study study study but when they come out of school they have no where to work. Not enough jobs, its not that our schools are bad its just that they have no incentive what is the point of going to school if your not gonna have a future after? now I can't tell you how to solve that because if I knew it I'm sure someone else would of solved it by now I'm only a senior in an American High school about to go to college.


You've got it ass backwards Gus, education creates jobs, jobs don't create education. And please, huge percentages of brazilians don't even attend school, and it's not because they have the feelling of "whats the use", it's because they other things that take priority, like surviving the day.
"Mac-Nightmare". long live Brazil
written by Luca , Rome, April 03, 2007
Kids coming out from US high schools are ignorant to a scary level. Sometimes it is even embarassing to discuss anything with young Americans as you wonder if they really are so dumb or they are acting. I do no think Brazilian situation is that bad even if *some* Brazilians are indeed shallow. Anyway Brazil is a much better country: Americans judge everything through the notion of material wealth (which is just responsible for 49% of happiness), in Europe and Latin America people have borader demans (also involving cultural interests and so on). The American dream today of a nation of happy obese families with shorts and baseball caps spending all of their free time in a mall buying ipods and eating mega-burgers is every European's nightmare.
LUca
written by sumomania, April 03, 2007
YOu and the rest of the Eurotrash can stay at home and away from America.
I'm sick of seeing you guys come here in Shorts, with black socks up to you knees and wearing sandals. You've no respect for cues and constantly bitch about everything. You are only happy when an American will bash their own country, but if we stand up for our country then we are idiots.
HMMMMM. take a look at Italian politicians, they are pretty much corrupt as are the French, and probably the Germans.
I don't spend my time talking to young Europeans, as their sense of entitlement totally disgusts me, thinking they deserve everything from the Government etc.
Europe is a sh*t hole, full of turds. I'll take Brasil, and the rest of South America over Europe any day.
Bo is so stupid
written by A brazilian, April 03, 2007
There are LARGE percentages of children all throughout brazil, and particularly in the northeast, that don't even attend school!


Well, 2,9% of children that don't go to school isn't exactly a "large percentage". It means that 97,1% of all children are attending the school.

http://www.estadao.com.br/educ...22/305.htm

Decy
written by A brazilian, April 03, 2007
Poverty and violence isn't Brazils biggest ailement. Ignorance and denial is.


If you haven't noticed all the "facts" about Brazil cited are simply false. More than 97% of children are in the school, can we call that a "vast majority"? This mindless Brazil bashing in this site is ridiculous, and still the same people feel entitled to talk about "what the problems of Brazil are".

You are so ignorant that you can't even recognize how ignorant you are.
Some truth... whilst they still cannot control the internet...
written by A proud Brazilian... ever!, April 03, 2007
"American democracy" vetoed book:
Lilly's book, Taken by Force, was first published in France in 2003, and then in Italy in 2004, but initially failed to find either an American or British publisher. As one American publisher explained to Lilly, professor of sociology at Northern Kentucky University - "I wouldn't touch that book with a 10-foot long pole", given that the subject matter was concerned with the estimated 14,000 rapes committed by American soldiers in England, France and Germany between 1942 and 1945.

In short, at a time when "French fries" and "French toast" were being renamed "Freedom fries" and "Freedom toast" because, unlike us, the French refused to join the Bush administration's war in Iraq, the American public did not want to be told that their fathers, uncles and brothers who had fought in the second world war - that "Band of Brothers" as the historian Stephen Ambrose christened them, and whose status as the "greatest generation" had been cemented by Steven Spielberg's Saving Private Ryan - had, in fact, been involved in some of the worst crimes on mainland Europe, including black-market trading, armed robbery, looting, rape and murder.

Indeed, secret wartime files that were made public in this country only in April 2006 disclosed that GIs committed 26 murders, 31 manslaughters, 22 attempted murders and more than 400 sexual offences, including 126 rapes in England, during 1942-45.

Far from being the "greatest generation", Lilly exposes the ugly underbelly of the US army's behaviour in Europe, and it is that ugly underbelly that links his historical account of the murders and rapes committed by American soldiers between 1942-1945 with Merchant's film.

For the simple reality of both Marchant's film and Lilly's book is this: that young men - soldiers - who are given power over others, and have a structure surrounding them that closes ranks at the first sign of criticism, a structure which is, in turn, enclosed within a popular and political culture where members of the public want to invest in their father's or their brother's or their husband's decision to become a soldier and go to war with nobility and sacrifice are, in fact, the preconditions for abuse, torture and totalitarianism. As such, it is the duty of film-makers and historians and sociologists to expose that abuse - no matter how "noble" the individual soldier's sacrifice might seem.

Even so, Bob Lilly faced a torrent of abuse when his book started to be reviewed in France and then news of the book's contents surfaced in the United States. He shared one of the many abusive emails with me: "Update: I just checked, and this guy Robert Lilly isn't an historian at all. He's a f**king sociologist ... sociology is a methodologically unsound, innately political, airy, unfounded, slippery and BS-laden field that ... deserves to slide into history as a blot on the face of 'social science'."

For all our sakes, I hope that it does not, and that sociology continues to uncover unpopular truths and dares to venture into territory that many of us would prefer to ignore.

The Mark of Cain is to be shown on Channel 4 on April 5, and Taken by Force will be published by Palgrave Macmillan in August 2007.

Blind Justice
written by aes, April 03, 2007
Europe is in a state of decendency. Its demographics indicate more people are dying than being born. Its philosophical and economical social dream that the State will take care of them is crashing in to the wall that there are not enough people putting into the system as taking out. It is an enclave of delusion 5 Euros for a cup of coffee.
A countries intelligence can be measured by the cost of goods. A cup of coffee in the U.S. is R$ .50.
How bright the Europeans are a light on to themselves, (save the Dutch, the brightest souls Europe has produced). How dull the Swiss, boring isolated emotionally constipated. Bright, yes, to be bright and soulless is to have lost the world.

Now Brazil's only problem is money. With enough money all things are buyable. Education is a function of money, infrastructure a function of money, law enforcement a function of money. There is a deadly undercurrent here in Brazil that is a kind of a social HIV. Its solution is also money. What the hell are Favelas still doing in existence in the 21st century. They are an anachronism. They are not charming, they are a blight, kind like a skin cancer, a festering sore.
Its solution is also a function of money.
Things are changing economically. It is axiomatic that 'the boss is always stupid' in the opinion of others. But the truth is to play in Global Economics you need to be smart. It is odd how it is easy to denegrade Americans. 'How can a people so stupid be so wealthy?' Well maybe there not so stupid. Only in geography, they dont even know where Brazil is. Why the f**k do we need to know where Brazil is when my Mercedez works just fine without my knowing the language of Brazil or the capital of Hong Kong or anything else. Knowledge adds a dimension to the quality of one's life. There is wrote knowledge and there is the knowledge of doing. Americans detest school, it is a twelve year party, little is learned by most, but a few become 'lights onto the world'.
If we are so dumb why do the best and the brightest from all over the world come to study at our Universities, and there are so many of them, a veritable litany of Harvards and Princetons and MITs and Stanfords and Berkleys. It is only a matter of money and intellligent government that built the educcational institutions in the U.S. It is simplistically the 'Protestant work ethic'. While Brazil at its founding was based upon the consciousness of Portugal, the U.S. was based upon Pilgrims and the right of law and work. It was the German, the Dutch, the Italian, the Swede, the English, the Irish, that built the U.S. In winter you need a house of stone, in the Southern Hemisphere a house of grass will do.

Well Bovespa is up again today and what is good for Bovespa is good for Brazil. Takes money to change anything.

And Canada, oh speak to me of Canada and how the capitalist Western Provinces, the suppliers of all the wealth of Canada hate the Eastern Provinces, the Socialist that spend the money, and the French of Quebec, yeh speak to me of Canada a country of provincials. Vancouver and Montreal and McGill University the rest are manniquens for J.C.Penny fashion. You can always tell a Canadian eh?

Money buys law and law enables change.
To Aes and Bo
written by Ludwig Van Beethoven, April 03, 2007
Hey guys, check this out, Look at the part regarding Brazil.

Bush Administration Submits Annual Trade Report to Congress 04/02/2007

http://www.ustr.gov/Document_L... ress.html


Link to the report
written by Ludwig Van Beethoven, April 03, 2007
AES and his aryanism
written by A brazilian, April 03, 2007
Pathetic and repetitive, to say the least. If all those people made really a difference this country would be something else, we have plenty of germans, italians and japanese and there is no distinguishable difference. In fact, many of those immigrants came to replace slaves in the farms, very noble isn't it? You don't see any of those people being revolutionary politicians, building astonishing works, etc. Why is that?

In order to make money one doesn't need to be smart. All you need is to be a good merchant. There are plenty of stories of people that never went to college and start some business, then it becomes successful. You are right that americans don't need to be intelligent, your country is mainly composed by rude and brute merchants that would be unable to appreciate anything more subtle, like art, an idea or a thought.

There's a saying in Brazil that if you study too much then you don't have time to make money. It's actually true, the US is evidence of that.

Universities is a different matter than K-12. The rest of the world make your universities intelligent, that's the explanation.
Abr: 'Aryanism'? It is about the psychology of the Northern Hemisphere and the Southern Hemisphere
written by aes, April 03, 2007
We have a saying that you are too busy working to make any money. Making money is about working smart not working hard.

Have you been to Idaho, Montana, Wisconsin, Oregon, Wyoming, Colorado, it is not about being a 'good merchant' the Portuguese were the greatest of merchants in the 15th century, what happened?

I still think there is a correlation between sub equatorial societies and the Northern Hemispheres, it's to hard, life is easy. In the Northern Hemisphere if you do not prepare for Winter death will follow. It creates a different ethos.

Why does the equipment and laboratories and funding exist at American universities, a cabalistic conspiracy to rob the minds of the greatest thinkers on the planet. Maybe, but that would be pretty smart. But Silicon Valley and all of that is a product of Stanford and Berkley, it is home grown. There is no limit in the U.S. to upward intellectual mobility. We, the government has the sense to give scholarships to the most brilliant, promising among us. Maybe it is just 'Common Sense' (have you read Thomas Payne?) Harvard was established before 1650. Your thesis my dear ABr. is only modestly flawed.

One of the keys to economic success is perserverence. In spite of how you feel, you do what needs to be done. This is a Northern Hemisphere notion. The Southern Hemisphere is very much about how you feel. The people are not driven, they are about feelings.

The point of 'all those people, as you say' is that in the U.S. this multitude of North Europeans were the 'Founding Fathers'. There were two principals, self reliance, and the freedom of the individual.

Portuguese founded Brazil as a Monarchial slave. There was no Declaration of Independence, no rights of man, no enlightenment. The Age of Enlightenment is just begining to come to Brazil. You are nearly two hundred years behind the U.S. in intellectual evolution.

But you are moving, entropy is being transcended and Brazil has left the Earth for space. Even your airports recognize the necessity for change, it is merely pragmatism. Reason.

You were a Monarchy in an age of Democracy. The Monarch was interested in obedience not the 'rights of the individual', the Monarch was God on Earth and everything that was Portugal was his. Now Brazil is faced with the problem of economic equitable distribution through Capitalism, and it better 'depeche toi' before it is burned down, as the U.S. was in the 60's with the Watts, Chicago, New York, Detroit, Washington conflagrations.

'Float a couple of bonds invest in infrastructure' I wrote this a couple of weeks ago, odd n'est pas?
written by aes, April 03, 2007
Brazil to Sell Dollar-Denominated Bonds Due in 2017 (Update1)

By Katia Cortes

April 3 (Bloomberg) -- Brazil plans to sell dollar- denominated bonds due in 2017 in international markets, the Treasury said in a statement.

The Treasury said it will sell the bonds in U.S., European and Asian markets. Brazil will seek to sell as much as $500 million worth of the bonds, with the possibility to increase the size by $25 million for buyers in Asia, said investors who were approached with the terms of the sale.

``When they have these types of deals, they usually have a good idea of what the interest is ahead of time, so there is probably good demand for the bonds,'' said Ricardo Simone, executive director at Sao Paulo-based Banco Sofisa SA.

During November's sale, Brazil sold $1.5 billion of the 6 percent bonds maturing in 2017 to yield 6.25 percent. The Treasury sold the bonds to yield 159 basis points, or 1.59 percentage points, over U.S. Treasuries of similar maturity.

``The fundamentals here are strong, especially when you look at flows into Brazil, interest rates and the currency,'' Simone said.

Brazil's central bank, led by Henrique Meirelles, has cut the benchmark lending rate at 14 consecutive meetings to bolster growth in Latin America's largest economy. The rate last month dropped to a record low of 12.75 percent from as high as 19.75

The Treasury didn't specify in its statement how much it plans to sell or the banks that would manage the sale.

``Brazil is taking advantage of the positive economic outlook and less risk aversion to issue at cheaper borrowing costs,'' said Sergio Meniconi, head of foreign exchange at Uniao de Bancos Brasileiros SA. in an interview in Sao Paulo. ``It's also marking out prices for corporate issuances as the government doesn't really need to issue bonds with reserves so strong.''

AES
written by A brazilian, April 03, 2007
You have wrote a lot, but just repeated the same nonsense. The "development" of the northern hemisphere is product of a succession of a historical facts all around the world, just that. There's no greater meaning, it's in fact very mundane, very human and sometimes very brutal and violent reality.

Remember, the greatest civilizations of antiquity appeared along the mediterranean, southern europe and norther africa, or Asia. Why?
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written by bo, April 03, 2007
Blind Justice
written by aes, 2007-04-03 11:24:51

Europe is in a state of decendency. Its demographics indicate more people are dying than being born. Its philosophical and economical social dream that the State will take care of them is crashing in to the wall that there are not enough people putting into the system as taking out. It is an enclave of delusion 5 Euros for a cup of coffee.
A countries intelligence can be measured by the cost of goods. A cup of coffee in the U.S. is R$ .50.
How bright the Europeans are a light on to themselves, (save the Dutch, the brightest souls Europe has produced). How dull the Swiss, boring isolated emotionally constipated. Bright, yes, to be bright and soulless is to have lost the world.

Now Brazil's only problem is money. With enough money all things are buyable. Education is a function of money, infrastructure a function of money, law enforcement a function of money. There is a deadly undercurrent here in Brazil that is a kind of a social HIV. Its solution is also money. What the hell are Favelas still doing in existence in the 21st century. They are an anachronism. They are not charming, they are a blight, kind like a skin cancer, a festering sore.
Its solution is also a function of money.
Things are changing economically. It is axiomatic that 'the boss is always stupid' in the opinion of others. But the truth is to play in Global Economics you need to be smart. It is odd how it is easy to denegrade Americans. 'How can a people so stupid be so wealthy?' Well maybe there not so stupid. Only in geography, they dont even know where Brazil is. Why the f**k do we need to know where Brazil is when my Mercedez works just fine without my knowing the language of Brazil or the capital of Hong Kong or anything else. Knowledge adds a dimension to the quality of one's life. There is wrote knowledge and there is the knowledge of doing. Americans detest school, it is a twelve year party, little is learned by most, but a few become 'lights onto the world'.
If we are so dumb why do the best and the brightest from all over the world come to study at our Universities, and there are so many of them, a veritable litany of Harvards and Princetons and MITs and Stanfords and Berkleys. It is only a matter of money and intellligent government that built the educcational institutions in the U.S. It is simplistically the 'Protestant work ethic'. While Brazil at its founding was based upon the consciousness of Portugal, the U.S. was based upon Pilgrims and the right of law and work. It was the German, the Dutch, the Italian, the Swede, the English, the Irish, that built the U.S. In winter you need a house of stone, in the Southern Hemisphere a house of grass will do.

Well Bovespa is up again today and what is good for Bovespa is good for Brazil. Takes money to change anything.

And Canada, oh speak to me of Canada and how the capitalist Western Provinces, the suppliers of all the wealth of Canada hate the Eastern Provinces, the Socialist that spend the money, and the French of Quebec, yeh speak to me of Canada a country of provincials. Vancouver and Montreal and McGill University the rest are manniquens for J.C.Penny fashion. You can always tell a Canadian eh?

Money buys law and law enables change.



Well, brazil now has the 10th largest economy, how much money does it need?? Think maybe "most" of that money, in particular "public money", isn't being used for what it should be??? Don't know for certain, just brainstorming here.
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written by bo, April 03, 2007
Link to the report
written by Ludwig Van Beethoven, 2007-04-03 12:08:30

http://www.ustr.gov/Document_Library/Reports_Publications/2007/2007_NTE_Report/Section_Index.html



Thanks LVB, anyone who reads that report will see what an extremely protectionist country brazil is. If you want others to remove barriers to trade, you must certainly reciprocate. But that's never been big on the agenda in brazil....fairness.
A.Br Geography 101 and the countries of the Northern Hemisphere
written by aes, April 03, 2007
The Northern Hemisphere includes North Africa (Egypt) as well as China, Russia, India, Greece and Rome.

The Norther Europeans settled New England. It was there that industrialized America had its origins. It was a continuation of North European civilization, particular the ethos of work, religon, and an obedience to law.

It was the South that became the agronomized U.S. built on the backs of Slavery.

This was the cause of the Civil War and the Emancipation Declaration. 150 years ago and it is still evening itself out. Then there was the great Western Expansion, with its infinite natural wealth, built on the backs of the Chinese, but in the course of the past 150 years this too has sought equilibrium.

rote learning (rt)
n.
Learning or memorization by repetition, often without an understanding of the reasoning or relationships involved in the material that is learned.

ABr. you are intransigent. Your mind is made up, you have reached your learned conclusions, regardless of their inherent historical fallaciousness.
AES
written by A brazilian, April 03, 2007
The Northern Hemisphere includes North Africa (Egypt) as well as China, Russia, India, Greece and Rome.


Your geography is too flawed. Sometimes you don't consider Portugal to be "western" on the grounds that's too close to "Africa", and later tell that even Egypt is part of the "North". Hahahaha

Yes, Egypt is very cold you know, that's why they need houses of stone, right? Give me a break. It's funny you included China in the "protestant ethics" of yours! Were the portuguese and spanish "protestants"? You know, they were the greatest navigators of their time.

Not very historically accurate. There's absolutely no connection whatsoever with this notion of "north is rich", and you seem to have changed your mind along the way. Until recently you stated that "Portugal" was not part of the "West", and now even includes Egypt and China in the "us".
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written by e harmony, April 03, 2007
written by decy, 2007-04-03 02:05:31

There's always one person on the forum stil stuck in the ignorance of denial.
Owning a cellphone, a Tv? That sure is proof of an evolving culture, yup you got that right...
Is that really your counter argument for what was clearly a thoughtful reflection of the current state of education in Brazil.
I don't know whether Cristovam is actually a politician for the people or just another corrupt individual trying to bribe his way back into power but I do know that Brazil does indeed have a serious education deficiency (among other things) and everytime someone gets up the nerve to point it out or at least summon some form of awareness to the situation there always seems to be a equal amount of Idiots ready to defend the BS that is now such an integral part of Brazilian culture.

Poverty and violence isn't Brazils biggest ailement. Ignorance and denial is.
The country is as beautiful as it is backwards... and it's a really beautiful country.


A brazilian is correct, wireless phones and televisions (especially color) are not 19th century technologies. Both came by or after mid 20th century. My mother (baby boomer generation) can still remember when as a child her family got their first tv. My mother can also remember watching "milk men" deliver milk to households by ways of horse drawn carts. And this was in an industrial midwestern city of the United States and not in a small rural town.

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written by e harmony, April 03, 2007
written by bo, 2007-04-03 04:48:00


written by Romo, 2007-04-02 22:17:55

I make $4000 Canadian per month as a first year teacher. My mother in law in Brazil makes $250 as a principal. A 'salary floor'! Sounds like a base that sits far below the surface. Add to that, she has not been paid for salary increases and awarded benefits for years.
Oh, and to the American. You're education does suck. Deep south education is not much better than NorthEast Brazilian education.


Please Romo, I spent 7 years in the southeast of the U.S., and I've been in the northeast of brazil for close to the last 10 years. Don't try and compare the united states to brazil, let alone the northeast!


The Canadian was correct that there are small pockets within certain areas of the U.S. South that are circa 1920's at best in infrastructure (that's including schooling) and lifestyle. Namely certain rural parts of MIssissippi. I saw a show on public television about this approximately a year or two ago.
ABr. It does snow in Egypt but that is so rare and when it happens, it happens in limited places like Sinai peninsula, North coast and Cairo
written by aes, April 03, 2007
Have you been to Egypt? They were master stone masons, do you know how cold it gets in winter there? Does it ever snow?

I was talking about the foundation of the U.S. the early Pilgrim foundation, The Dutch founding of New York, The Germans in Pennsylvania. The Chinese, build in stone, ie the Great Wall of China, as well as India, or Cambodia.

Portugual were great global explorers and traders in the 1400 and 1500's they were great entrepeneurs. But nothing Portugal built equalled the architecture of England, the inventions of England, the literature of England (who is the Portuguese equivalent of Shakespeare?), where are the equivalent thinkers of Austria, Germany, Holland, but these are all asides.

The Spanish and Portuguese were great explorers, as were the English, the Dutch and the French. But what is the nature of the civilizations that they created in the wake of their exploration and exploitation?

'Just because I'm wrong doesn't make you right'

BTY it does snow in Egypt in winter, though the snow does not remain on the ground for long, particularly Cairo and the Sinai. And I think the Pyramids were made of stone, and the Parthenon, and the Pantheon, and Babylon and on and on.
To Aes
written by Ludwig Van Beethoven, April 03, 2007
I disagree; I believe that Luis de Camoes is in the same level of Shakespeare. And Shakespeare was influenced a lot by the Latin way of Italy and France. Portugal's problem was that they stayed connected to old feudal ideas for to long. Eca de Queiros, another great Portuguese writer, used to criticize the provincial head of the Portuguese and Brazilians. Latter Monteiro Lobato did the same for Brazil. The Portuguese Empire had great thinkers, Jose Bonifacio de Andrada e Silva, Padre Antonio Vieira, Diogo Feijo and many others. The difference is that the Portuguese were comfortable with all the power they acquired. Brazil was very rich (before 1750’s) and had more wealth than North America. The Gold and Diamond period of Minas Gerais, the largest plantations in the world in the Northeast of Brazil and latter the rich coffee plantations and Industrial tycoons of Sao Paulo. The United States was built by simple man that fought for everything they have, Brazil was built using the old aristocratic system (Feudal). I believe that the Portuguese were the most efficient agricultural civilization in history, the USA and England got strong with the Industrial Revolution and they demonstrated to be the best in the Industrial period. Portugal and Brazil were stuck in a mindset of old feudal Europe, and some people still are.
Ludwig: Well writ.
written by aes, April 03, 2007
Obrigado.
FUNNY......ALL THE ABOVE JUNKIES ON BRAZILIAN EDUCATION !!!!!!!
written by ch.c., April 03, 2007
....IF Brazilian education is so superior to the U.S. or even the EU education, why do you have only 10,5 % of students with University degree, against 50 % in the USA ?????
....IF Brazilian education is so superior to the U.S. or even the EU education, why are Brazilians going in the USA and the EU when they desire a better higher education but no
EU or U.S. student go to Brazil ???????
....IF Brazilian education is so superior to the U.S. or even the EU education, why has Jornal Hodge, owned by Globo TV, in their test, ranked Brazil LAST out of 32 countries ?????? In the 32 countries.... obviously many were developing countries TOO !!!!!!
....IF Brazilian education is so superior to the U.S. or even the EU education, why has Brazil SO FEW PATENTS ????????
....IF Brazilian education is so superior to the U.S. or even the EU education, why your exports are comprised mostly of basic commodities and LOW value added products....and not of Brazilian High Technolgy ?????

Funny that with such a good education, you have no Brazilian cars or trucks manufacturers, no semiconductor industry, no real international drugs companies, no Brazilian HDTV standard, no local telecom products except those under foreign licences, no real mobile phone, or PC manufacturer, or engine manufacturer except assembly lines,
No precision machinery industry, etc etc etc

Strange, yessssss really strange !!!!!!!! hmmmmm !

In the USA, the biggest workers shortage are qualified nurses. Strange that they provide working visas mostly to Asian Nurses......not Brazilians !!!!

Laugh....laugh....laugh !!!!!!
AES
written by A brazilian, April 03, 2007
Don't be ridiculous. I think LVB helped a little and it showed how hopelessly ignorant you are.

What mason crap is that? Egyptians, 5000 years ago, were mason? Hahahahahahahaha. Let me do like ch.c, LAUGH... LAUGH... LAUGH... These people believe in fairy tales! Incredible!

Portugal was a major world potence in its time of glory, I suggest you to study a little about history. Do you want a history course in this forum for you? A hint, Wikipedia is not a valid source for anything. Nowadays any clown reads wikipedia and think it is a f**king doctor.

In Brazil it snows too, by the way. Not that it makes any difference.
CH.C A 'Junkie' junkie
written by aes, April 03, 2007
You are a 'junkie' junkie. Your use of the word is a seemingly obsessive compulsive disorder. BTY Brazil makes some great cars. It would do well to export them. Why dont you focus on what Brazil does have ie some of the most innovative agronomy in the world, instead of constantly harping on what is wrong. Your hatred is an obsessive addiction. The C.J. Jung Institue in Zurich could be of help.

You are a kind of 'junkie' a junkie of vitriol. Thorazine could be of help or Prozac.

Thesaurus words for "junkie":
LSD user, acidhead, addict, alcoholic, chain smoker,
cocaine sniffer, cokie, cubehead, dipsomaniac, dope fiend, doper,
drug abuser, drug addict, drug user, drunkard, fiend, freak,
glue sniffer, habitual, head, heavy smoker, hophead, hype,
marijuana smoker, methhead, narcotics addict, pillhead, pothead,
snowbird, speed freak, tripper, user
A.Br The ancient stone masons of the ancient world, you are an intellectual troglodyte
written by aes, April 03, 2007
'Hopelessly ignorant' how dramatic. Each of the million blocks of stone that comprise the pyramids was cut by stone masons. Have you been to Egypt and seen the ruins? They are all comprised of blocks of stones, they were as were the Greeks, Romans, Babylonians, Cambodians, Indians, Chinese all master stone masons, cutters of stone.

Hopelessly ignorant of Portugal but in the hierchy of studies it was not on the cirriculum, though www.madredeus.com/
Is so elegantly beautiful. And Cervantes and the Bullfights in Barcelona, along with flamenco and classical guitar was the last of my studies of Spain. Have you driven through the Pyrennes in winter? No? I thought not.
Aes
written by Ludwig Van Beethoven, April 03, 2007
Thank you Aes. I admire you because you have something that I barely have today: hope in Brazil. Brazilians should thank you. As you stated here before, you are investing in the Bovespa and Brazilian companies. You constantly show an interest to learn about Brazil and you are always a gentleman. I am also a constant student and I admire people like you. Obrigado.
AES
written by A brazilian, April 03, 2007
I certainly don't know a lot of "truths" you do. What else do you have to add:

- Hitler didn't die, but escaped in a Nazi ufo?
- The Earth is hollow and inside of it the hyperboreans (?) live?
- Gnomes do exist?
- Aryans came from another planet?

Oh boy. That connection with "masons" from egypt was the most laughable piece of crap ever written.
CH.C THIS ONE FOR YOU!
written by A brazilian, April 03, 2007
http://noticias.uol.com.br/eco...89845.jhtm

11 from the 20 most lucrative companies, including the number 1, in latin america are brazilians. What were you saying again?

NOW I LAUGH... I LAUGH... I LAUGH!
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written by A brazilian, April 03, 2007
But nothing Portugal built equalled the architecture of England, the inventions of England, the literature of England (who is the Portuguese equivalent of Shakespeare?), where are the equivalent thinkers of Austria, Germany, Holland, but these are all asides.


You constantly show an interest to learn about Brazil and you are always a gentleman


Humm, really? He is working in a thesis of "snow" means richness, and that was because ancient Egypt was great, because it had snow.
The List of Eleven of the Twenty Most Lucrative Firms
written by Ric, April 03, 2007
Doesn´t really redound to Brazil´s favor. First of all, they are lucrative in absolute terms, not as a profit percentage of assets or transactions. Some of them are just huge because for many years those areas were government monopolies and they were the only players in their fields.

Second, the biggies are in finance and raw materials or commodities, with the exception of Gerdau, which processes raw materials into rebar etc. But basically no finished manufacturing, no R&D, nothing complicated.

It´s very revealing but not in a positive way. Wish it were. As it´s half the land mass of South America, one could hardly expect Brazil to rank any lower than it does.
Ric
written by A brazilian, April 03, 2007
1 - It's much more than anything said about Brazil in this forum;
2- Brazilian talent is everywhere, not only in brazilian companies. Many multinationals profit from it, Bosch and the flex-fuel engine is a perfect example of that;
3- This reveals that no other country is leaving Brazil behind as many said in here many times over;
4- In order to extract many minerals and other natural resources, which is the case of the number 1, Petrobras, it's necessary a high level of skill and technology. Petrobras beat records in deep sea exploration;

This is just a sample. Many other big brazilian companies, techonological companies, were left behind. But it serves as a reminder to the bigots that come here of what the reality is. Brazil is number 1 and the 10th economy of the world.
Shut up
written by A brazilian, April 03, 2007
The last two days were very productive in here. The bigots were speechless, all false claims were showed promptly otherwise. The best moment is when Bo said that "large percentages" don't even go to school, and ...BANG... he was caught in a lie!

Shut up now. Hahaha
A.Br and the thesis of snow, wealth and higher intellectual processes.
written by aes, April 04, 2007
It's snowing up your nose. You do not differentiate between Western Civilization and the Northern Hemisphere. You are tedious
You can be from China and be in the Northern Hemisphere and be non Western. And you can be from Portugal and be more Moorish, Easterm, than Western and still be in the Northern Hemisphere.

But you cannot be from Tahiti, or Hawaii, or Brazill and be from the Northern Hemisphere. Machu Pichu is built in snow of stone.

Your thinking is built of stone. Dense. Did you ever visit Notre Dame Cathedral in Paris. Now there is stone work, the Gothic, built in snow, transcending Earth to the God. 800 years old, twice the age of the country of Brazil.
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written by bo, April 04, 2007
written by A brazilian, 2007-04-03 22:05:08

The last two days were very productive in here. The bigots were speechless, all false claims were showed promptly otherwise. The best moment is when Bo said that "large percentages" don't even go to school, and ...BANG... he was caught in a lie!



Once again, for the ten-thousandth time, you're shown to be a liar and deniar. And this time, you even provided the link!! Now, for children 7 until 14 years of age ONLY 2.9% of children do not attend, that equals 809,000 students, certainly nothing to be proud of, but I can understand how some people are, fore just 12 years ago this particular age group had 11.4% that did not attend school, so this particular age group in education attendance has improved dramatically over the last decade.

Now, when we enlarge this age group to include brazilians that are less than 18 years old, which naturally is the age in which one graduates high school, the increase is dramatic. This category contains 60.1 million adolescents in which 15.8 million, or 26.3 % do not attend school. Seven million do not attend because of a lack of educational institutions, the lack of proper documentation, or sickness. Five million three hundred thousand don't attend from this group simply because they don't want to, and the rest, which equals nearly 4 million brazilian children don't attend because they have to work.

Abe, brazil is much bigger than your little reality there in Sao Paulo. Hate to tell you, but massive states exist in brazil, their names are Amazonas, Tocatins, Mato Grosso, Piaui, Permanbuco, Bahia, Alagoas, Sergipe, etc, etc, etc. They exist, they are poor, there are millions of school aged brazilian children, to the tune of 25%, that don't attend school. An unfortunate and tragic reality, yet another, and possibly the saddest and disheartening of all, in brazil.

Thanks for the link.
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written by bo, April 04, 2007
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written by e harmony, 2007-04-03 16:26:08

written by bo, 2007-04-03 04:48:00


written by Romo, 2007-04-02 22:17:55

I make $4000 Canadian per month as a first year teacher. My mother in law in Brazil makes $250 as a principal. A 'salary floor'! Sounds like a base that sits far below the surface. Add to that, she has not been paid for salary increases and awarded benefits for years.
Oh, and to the American. You're education does suck. Deep south education is not much better than NorthEast Brazilian education.


Please Romo, I spent 7 years in the southeast of the U.S., and I've been in the northeast of brazil for close to the last 10 years. Don't try and compare the united states to brazil, let alone the northeast!



The Canadian was correct that there are small pockets within certain areas of the U.S. South that are circa 1920's at best in infrastructure (that's including schooling) and lifestyle. Namely certain rural parts of MIssissippi. I saw a show on public television about this approximately a year or two ago.



No, the Canadian wasn't correct, he's comparing the northeast of brazil to the southeast of the U.S., in their entirety, now you start talking about "pockets" in bumf**k mississippi. We're not blind E-Sodomy, we see what you attempt to "prove" and exactly how you do it, laughable at best.

I guess I could go to this favella that is 15 minutes away from where I live, they don't have running water and live in huts made from sticks and banana leaves with dirt floors and say that IS northeast brazil??
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written by bo, April 04, 2007
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written by e harmony, 2007-04-03 16:19:55
My mother can al