Brazzil

It is odd that a Senator's singular mantra is "I'm tired". What have you done with this situation of societal malaise? What have you done to address the causes? What actions, what legislation have you sponsored and passed to remedy the causes of this plague of societal mononucleosis? Nothing? No action? No legislation? If you do nothing and have DONE nothing then what are YOU doing as Senatorbesides "speechifying"? The greatest evil is when people that can do something choose to do nothing. You are in a positon to legislate, but alas you are tired, too tired, so very tired, as you say. Why don't you resign and by example provide a solution to the rest of the legislative body? Domage.

Talk is cheap, doing nothing, when you know the problems is worse than making the problems. Get back to us when you have some achievements of your own.

I am tired of reading CB's crap every week...Do something idiot!

baita cansaso
ai meu fio
va trabaia
corta cana
eh o futuro

Tu das terra do Café Breda? E os ônibus amareladas? Outro lado do Pocrane?

never bothers to read the comments we write (unlike Ernesto Barteldes, for example, which actually comments back).
There's really no point in adressing anything to him.

He tried.
He was a candidate at the latest presidential election and got only a few votes !!!!!
1 %....or so.
In Brazil, only crooks, cheaters and liars......succeed !!!!!
Criminals too !

.....usually leave the country !
They are even ready to pay a large amount to be smuggled one way or the other...to another country !
For those Brazilians it is better to be illegal residents elsewhere than legal in Brazil.
This demonstrate the depth of the problems.

never bothers to read the comments we write (unlike Ernesto Barteldes, for example, which actually comments back).
There's really no point in adressing anything to him.

Dude,I wrote something similar to what you just said a few months back in this blog. He is not a bad guy.And an intelligent bloke too. He should muster up his courage and come and join us in this site to interact with his voters. The same thing applies to Geraldo Alkemin too.

btw, I am posting a link that you might enjoy reading;
http://www.clicrbs.com.br/clic...tícias


I happen to know some of the chess pieces in this story . The real old ancient proverb "Spare the Rod and spoil the child" doesnt seem to apply in this incident . How the hell do you expect the senator to handle "Education" as well as to react to this situation?

It is your turn.

Do you want to include the whole nation or just the politicians? I have a problem with that...do you want me to include my family as well, WHO ARE STILL IN BRAZIL WORKING their ass off?

CH are you saying he is not a crook? You have changed!

Such as Lula !
Ohhhh yesssss he just amalgamated several previous social programs and merged them into HIS Bolsa Familia !
And what a Bolsa Samba :
0,50 Reais per day...for 45 millions poor citizens. (Annual Budget 8 billion Reals for 45 millions citizens)
And Lula is proud as he said that with such an amount these poors can "NOW" have 3 decent meals per day !
He forgot to mention that such an amount is in fact nothing more than the equivalent of 1 kilo of....SOYAMEAL....AT TODAY HIGH PRICE.....IF BOUGHT BY LARGE AMOUNT.....not even retail prices !!!
Or less than a liter of.....BOTTLED WATER...per day !!!

Ohhhhh.....Brazilians applauded and continue to applaude him.

Now these poors can chose daily between :
1 kilo of subsidized soyameal
OR
less than half a liter of bottled water

........for their 3 decent meals.......PER DAY !!!!!

Viva Lula, the Emperor of Liars !

"do you want me to include my family as well"
Not you...it is your family !
But the family of corrupted politicians may have the same answer as yours....by definition "WORKING their ass off" by stealing as much as they can. Just talk to them....they are ALL innocents.....even recognized innocents by the Brazilian Supreme Court of Injustice !

Your question should be directed to people who know your family.....not to me. And to people that are not necessarily family friends, otherwise it is like asking to a PT politician if other PT (or whatever party) politicians are....corrupted !
And you got the answers from Bin Lula himself during the vote buying scandal : there was NOOOOOOOOO vote buying ! Right ? Smile !

And worse yet....these politicians were PARDONED....in a secret vote....by politicians as corrupted as the ones they pardoned !!!!
Pardoning......means they were GUILTY.......not innocents.....by definition.Right ? How could anyone give a pardon to an innocent ?

Therefore feel free to defend your family...as others do !

It remains that a Brazilian by the nature of the Brazilian Society in general, always try to cheat another Brazilian....one way or the other ! Police men do, Bureaucrats do, business people do, politicians do, criminals do, Brazilian judges do, politicals parties do, Government members do, tax auditors do, street vendors do !

And Brazilians are even more happy if they can cheat foreigners....TWICE ! SMILE !

Don’t be too dismissive of CB. He’s a cage-rattler, and this nation needs more of his ilk. And by the way the "I’m tired" stick is from a commercial campaign which, as good as it is, is being completely and totally ignored on youtube and by the press. Quem diria?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=onEa8xI7ukE

There is only so much one man can do, and if you think Buarque’s only means of confronting problems in Brazzzzzzzzil is with translated articles here on this site then you are all sadly misinformed. Still, his articles are a form of protest and he’s not to be blamed if an impotent society hellbent on “futchybolly” and “ e, ai velho que bunda gostozzzzzzzza, né” decides to ignore his screams of “fire” in this overly crowded and smelly theatre we call Brazzzzzzzzzzzzil.

Trying to say ANYTHING in this nation is dangerous enough as you will note with the newest investigation aimed at VEJA (so freaking typical), the assiniation of various journalists over the years, and what happened recently in Mato Grosso with two French Journalists.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q9esNX7bzHY

The inmates are in charge of the asylum (and there is a lot of them) and for the few one this board that have the mental faculties to do something, instead of cheering on CB and asking him what YOU can do to help, you all crucify HIM for not doing enough? I don´t get it.

I know folks in Brazil like others to do all their dirty work them (heaven forbid anyone actually has to do anything on their own), so maybe there’s a despechante we can hire to sort this county out for you folks?

The link you posted is gone.Maybe they nixed it?

I believe what happens here is the following: we, poor powerless schlubbs, can only speak out, protest, vote and practice day-to-day attitudes to show our disagreement with the present powers that be. The senator, however, is IN the system.We want to see him do what we cannot - actually throw a nice, big monkey wrench in the system's gears.
Therefore, when he protests by means of words, we think "hey, that's something "I "can do.That is frustrating.
Obviously we prefer him to those that not only keep silent, but also participate in the feeding frenzy.
But those guys are out of our reach.If we could only have them all in a locked room, with a few buckets of lighter fluid and matches, I assure you I wouldn't let anyone do the dirty work in my stead.
However, that is not possible, more's the pity.
So we want to see him slug it out for us.
Get it?

The link you posted is gone.Maybe they nixed it?

No,Dude, I just tried clicking on it and it appeared. If you want to try it on another window, try this:

http://www.clicrbs.com.br/clic...otícias

Or.................http://www.clicrbs.com.br/clicnoticias/jsp/default.jsp?newsID=a1603115.htm&template=2503.dwt§ion=Notícias

The inmates are in charge of the asylum (and there is a lot of them) and for the few one this board that have the mental faculties to do something, instead of cheering on CB and asking him what YOU can do to help, you all crucify HIM for not doing enough? I don´t get it.

No, Dr.Pinga, people like us do not want to crucify him as I know that he is one of the few lonely voices against the inmates who are controlling the Asylum. His intellectual ability and personal integrity are unquestionable. His biggest problems are 1) He latches on to one issue (education),though in this article, he has come out with several problems that are plaguing this country. That is a good start 2) Being more of a technocrat, he is too slow and gentlemanly in attacking his political rivals. For example, his comments when Roriz resigned as a Senator of DF(to save his ass), were mild and gentlemanly. 3) His lack of interest in Personal Marketing.

Specifically refering to point 3, his articles are published in this site and read by many who have the "mental faculty", including our good selves (!). This is a great opportunity for him to come once in a while (or ask a few of his bilingual aides) to debate with the members. Or ask the aides to collect all the suggestions (and constructive criticisms) given by all of us and "rattle the cage" further writing articles on the "Macro Problems" facing Brazil and not by restricting to "Education by Revolution".

I think he has a fantastic alternative media to put forth his ideas and do some personal marketing and he is missing the opportunity.

I still think that he or Geraldo would have made better Presidents.But the majority did not want to see an Economist or a M.D. as their President,in this country

I forgot thank you for the youtube link you posted. I did view it. I got to see many "Political entrepreneurs"! Hope our friend "Conceicao" views it too,as he will get first hand knowledge of such kind in Brazil!!

I still think that he or Geraldo would have made better Presidents.But the majority did not want to see an Economist or a M.D. as their President,in this country smilies/angry.gif

Well, I don't won't to get too far into a brazilian political debate, but damn, at least Alkimin(sp?) is an intelligent guy that would've been a leader that people could respect. My only question is, is he jewish?

I'm not anti-semitic, but in a country like brazil, with the highest interest rates on planet earth, and Banco Central that does not enforce the very laws of this country concerning financial policy, you would never want a Jew in the executive branch.

My only question is, is he jewish?

No, he´s openly with OPUS DEI -- a retarded Christian fascist group. And, you may not have wanted to come across overtly anti-semitic, but you failed in that mission.

In Brazil, it seems like all politicians talk, and do nothing, they are shocked with corruption, only because its nice to appear so....CB is another talker and do nothing. end of story

Carlos? The jews own this f**king country, whether you like it or not! The highest interest rates on planet earth BAR NONE!! After 10 f**king reductions of the prime lending rate STILL no other country comes close!! And it's not because Brazil is borrowing at a higher rate than others! Brazil also has the highest SPREAD of any country on planet earth!

Go ahead, elect a jewish president, they'll suck a lawless country that depends on foreign infusions of cash such as brazil bone f**king dry.

I'm not anti-semitic, but in a country like brazil, with the highest interest rates on planet earth, and Banco Central that does not enforce the very laws of this country concerning financial policy, you would never want a Jew in the executive branch.

What the f**k are you talking about?

Well, I don't won't to get too far into a brazilian political debate, but damn, at least Alkimin(sp?) is an intelligent guy that would've been a leader that people could respect. My only question is, is he jewish?

Bo, I dont know his religious affiliations, but I think he is a Christian of Armenian origin. Cant say much about his belonging to Opus Dei. But, I agree with you that he is a bright guy,like Buarque. Geraldo stuck to me as one of the few persons in PSDB who is independent in his thoughts and quite different from the "Party Elders" like FHC and Serra. I liked the debates among him, Helosia and Buarque (unfortunately Lula skipped it). In the debate between him and Lula,he did talk lots of sense. But there again, Lula played his famous trump card-"Coitadinho" and got reelcted.

As for your comments on the high interest rates, I agree with you and combined with artificial exchange rate, it is killing our industrial base. Alckemin warned about it though in his debate and I admire him for it. You may recall that even ch.c has been talking about high bank rates in whole of the planet.All of us are right and I wish the opposition members like Buarque,Alckemin,etc, would be bold enough to question the situation.

As for the religious affiliation of a person, I am not really competent to comment,as I believe that "Brain Power" does not know race,color,religion,sex,etc; I have too many friends among various religions. We like to join together and "build a deck" ,as Jõao Pinga said a few moths ago. Nothing like telling a group of folks "Boys and Girls, here is the objective and lets get the job done".

Hey, it is good that you are very smart as not to fall into the trap of these bankers. I dont fall either

Ben S. Bernanke head of the Federal Reserve and Alan Greenspan his predecessor are both noted Jewish bankers of the largest economy in the world. Brazil would do well to have such competence involved in its banking system. You are in your thinking an anti semite. This is not the first time that you have demonstrated such thinking. 'The jews own this f**king country' is a patently anti semetic generalization that is based on classic anti semetic myths. I am disappointed in this virulent demonstration of your nature. It is a pity.

Makes not, wants not - who do you serve? Your employer? Your banker? Your smearless leader?

We all know who owns Brazil and keeps this country in this eternal mode of ALMOST THERE. We, as my dad nicely put it, "pagamos juros a banqueiros". We cannot get out of this situation, is a vicious cycle, much like the lending frenzy by the banks in the US. Bo is right, we are owned by the Jews and this is nothing new. They have for thousands of years controlled the economy and trade everywhere, why do you think Spain expelled the Jews in 1492? It has a lot more to do with economics than religion. Now, we can't blame CB for all the problems in Brazil, the whole country should get together and demand transparency from elected officials.And don't call me anti-semitic because both of us in this house are Jewish descendants. I agree 100 % with Joao, people should be judged on their character, not their race, religion or sex orientation. I don't know much about Alkimin, but I will trust my father, he is there living "the everyday grudge" and will have to agree with him- based on a few interviews that I have seen one year ago, he seems to be a good candidate-Heloisa did put up a fight and touched on all the current issues in Brazil, but she came out as a neurotic woman and out of control on some occasions. I am sure she could do a fine job, anyone is better than AL MULA BIN LULA. But hey, we have this lovely tradition in Brazil, all candidates are honest, promise to change the country, and as soon as they are elected, we have a despotic ruler. There is a witch hunt going on in Brazil, journalists are living 64 all over again and nobody gives a s**t, as long as we have "praia, samba, carnaval, cachaca, futebol e mulher bonita", the rest we'll deal with it tomorrow...

CB writes on this board every week, therefore, he knows he will face criticism from us frustrated, and rightly so, Brazilians. Nobody asked him to post anything here, I am glad that he actually has the guts to come here, BUT I am assuming that he doesn't check the answers. Hence, it is my belief that CB is just like any other politician in Brazil, talk is cheap and these guys are experts in bulls**tting people around.

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anywhere in the world 7.62 is always served HOT.
I believe in good service.

allow me to buy you a round.

so many people too few rounds

I believe in good service.

FYI:
http://www.clicrbs.com.br/clic...=Notícias

This time your services were not required

"Viemos apelar ao bom senso dos estudantes e esclarecer que não há intenção de prender ninguém – garantia o procurador federal Eduardo Mello e Souza, minutos antes da desocupação."

Do you think CB or any politician have common sense? They are in need of "bom senso" e um pouco mas de vergonha na cara!

Do you think CB or any politician have common sense?

Shelly, I am a bit suspect, when I defend CB and Geraldo. These two have "vergonha na cara" and not the tradional politicians. I think firebrands like you should start sending e-mail to CB directly in Portuguese. Remember that there are Brazilians like your dad,mom,aunts,uncles,etc; who are honest people.I know we cant change the entire country,but can shake it a bit. As you said before, CB at least has the guts to come out and publish his articles and demonstrate his frustrations. Remember, CB is one of the lonely voices in the Senate.

"We are owned by the Jews and this is nothing new. They have for thousands of years controlled the economy and trade everywhere, why do you think Spain expelled the Jews in 1492? It has a lot more to do with economics than religion".

Spain expelled the Jews out of fear of their loyalty to the Moors as well as to confiscate their wealth. It was about theft, about mere profit. It was about power. Three months after the final unification of Spain the monarchy issued the Alhambra Decree;
1.To establish political and religious homogeneity. The Inquisition allowed the monarchy to intervene actively in religious affairs, without the interference of the Pope. At the same time, Ferdinand and Isabella's objective was the creation of an efficient state machinery; thus one of their priorities was to achieve religious unity to promote more centralized political authority.

2.To weaken local political opposition to the Catholic monarchs. Strengthening centralized political authority also entailed weakening local political opposition. Resistance to the installation of the Inquisition in the Kingdom of Aragon, for example, was often couched in terms of local legal privileges (fueros).

3.Out of fear. It remains a fact that the Jews, either directly or through their correligionists in Africa, encouraged the Mohammedans to conquer Spain. Whether real or imagined there was a great fear among 15th Century Spaniards that they had a Fifth column living among them.

4.To do away with the powerful converso minority. Many members of influential families such as the Santa Fés, the Santangels, the Caballerias and the Sanchezes, were prosecuted in the Kingdom of Aragon. However the King of Aragon, Ferdinand, continued to employ many conversos in his administration.

5.Profit. The property of people found guilty by the Inquisition was confiscated. Pope Sixtus IV openly accused the monarchs of this sin.

AES, I was a Spanish major here at a local university, before, then I changed to a science degree. Try again. Anyway, back to the expulsion of the Jews. I will write an essay to you only, which will have pieces from a book Spain, 1469/1714 a book I was asked to read before and it was written by Henry Kamen (good book and in English). I will get back with an answer!

I will get back with an answer!

Just wait for me Mr.Higgins! (Probably Shelly was not even born, when the movie was made)

AES, you better have some decent and delicious falafels and plenty of Skol, to confront the lady

Joao, I am still writing a piece. It goes from the Celts all the all to the expulsion of the Jews, you are right on that front! Anyway, he is so dumb that he didn't even understand the point I was making. I said that the expulsion had more to do with economics than religion, which he has proven my point to begin with. However, I will use his argument, he has some valid points, but I will show him that I know a little bit more than he thinks...

Yo se mucho mas que mi propio idioma! Fui estudiante de espanol en la universidad de George Mason. Todavia tengo mi bachillerato en espanol, y puedo dar mi correo electronico a las personas interesadas. Obiviamente que este senorito (terminologia comun a los que piesan que son de la "clase alta culta") es incapaz de entender que un brasileno/brasilena pueda hablar mas de un idioma, pero soy trilingue tanto en la escrita como en la parte oral en los tres idiomas. He estudiado intensamente ese idioma y su historia. Soy una criatura que he estudiado toda mi vida y siempre fue una persona que miraba hacia a mi doctorado desde nina. No se porque, pero fue una joven que empleaba todas sus energias a un denominador comun, queria siempre probar que mi futuro tendria que ser mejor, para todos envuelta de mi. Ni mas ni menos.

I know you speak Spanish as well, if you wish Joao send me an email and I will gadly prove my point, in Spanish, in English or in Portuguese.

obviamente y no obivimente. I haven't written in a long time, you know our Portuguese ALWAYS gets in the way...

I am still writing..

Anyway, he is so dumb that he didn't even understand the point I was making. I said that the expulsion had more to do with economics than religion, which he has proven my point to begin with. However, I will use his argument, he has some valid points, but I will show him that I know a little bit more than he thinks...

Shelly, AES is far from dumb. A good friend of ours. He has a sharp brain.He is spoiling for a good arguement. Better prepare a good essay for the old coot .He is a pro Brasil person and I like his positive attitude.

Of course, I understand Spanish (like your dad,mom,aunts,etc). If you know one of the Romance languages, you can easily understand the others.(unless the Americans changed this ).I do have problem with Flemish,though. I bet you understand it?

Well, Joao, I will say to you, he had an opinion counterfit history your father infected you with.to me to have an opinion not knowing my educational background is stupid. I am sure he is a intelligent man, but the comment was dumb. I really don't care if he is pro Brazilian or anti Brazilian, people are entitled to have their opinions about different countries...

Jao 3 pages so far!!
written by Shelly, 2007-09-01 22:01:13

I am still writing..

You got your self into big trouble,AES. I would love to see how you are going to get out of this.

btw, why are these folks making noise about our Yiddish friends? Enlighten me please.

I am doing this to show him that I was not "brainwashed" by my father. More than anything else it gives me a sense of pride really. Anyway, all the points that he made are right, I will incorporate his points on my essay, as I said

They have for thousands of years controlled the economy and trade everywhere, why do you think Spain expelled the Jews in 1492? It has a lot more to do with economics than religion

We, as my dad nicely put it, "pagamos juros a banqueiros". We cannot get out of this situation, is a vicious cycle, much like the lending frenzy by the banks in the US. Bo is right, we are owned by the Jews and this is nothing new. They have for thousands of years controlled the economy and trade everywhere.

Yes Shelly we pay interest to bankers. It is axiomatic. If you do not wish to pay interest to bankers do not borrow money. Money costs money. Money has a value. It is a value established by the market place. Your contention that the economy of the world for thousands of years has been in the control of Jews is ludicrous. Two thousand years ago till Constantine, Rome ruled the economy of the Western world. They crucified Jews, ie. Christ and half the apostles. The Jews were thrown into the Diaspora by the Romans, their lives and professions were legislated at will by the monarchs in whose lands they inhabited. They were ministers of power, but never the power. After thousands of years of practice they became good at the societal niches that were afforded them by the powers they found themselves subject to.
Your knowledge of history is perfunctory. Your historical conclusions are academically childish, naive at best, specious at worst. The sine qua non of your diatribe is 'we are owned by the Jews and this is nothing new." It is the language of the Judenfrage, December 18, 1941.

Thousand of years is right since, 711 until now characterizes as thousands of years. Your math is ludicrous..

They have for thousands of years controlled the economy and trade everywhere.

Really? Controlled? The economy and trade everywhere? For thousands of years? That would be Japan, Thailand, Cambodia, India, Russia, Persia, Greece, Turkey, Syria, Egypt, Morocco, Tunisia, Algeria, all of Africa? Both ancient and modern? You are rediculous. You exagerate. Your commentary is hyperbole, it is not historical fact. All the economy and trade in the world? You do not know of what you speak. If this is an example of the scholasticism of which you are so proud George Mason has greatly failed you.

You are in despair. Now that I have shown that your math and your argument flawed.

I happen to be tired of whiny intellectuals who would rather be living in Europe.

When can we expect you to take a flight out, Chris:

http://users.mo-net.com/mlindste/alhambra.html

just read the link.
Those types would never even DESERVE services.
I tend to stay away from snot-nosed overpriveledged pothead commie wannabes.
They don't need lead, they need rubber.
And they also need to learn what it is like to work for a living.

The expulsion of the Jews: an economic, political, religious and cultural decision

Before I begin this essay, one must understand the history of the Spain from early ages. Before the territory was unified under Fernando and Isabel la Católica, we must look at other invasion and how other cultures shaped the course of the history.

As you many know, before the Arabs invaded Spain in 711, this territory had other invasion. Prior to the invasions, groups of ethnic people lived in Iberia, they were the Iberos, which lived in the peninsula since prehistoric times, and help establish Andalucia and lived near the Mediterranean ocean. The Celtas (celts), came from central Europe and established themselves near Gallicia, Cataluña, Asturias, Meseta Central (the great plains) and because they mixed/married with the ethnic group on the great plains, the Celtíberos flourished. However, this is important when understanding Spanish history, Iberians were more advanced economically and culturally, a phenomena seen in Spain today, the South-some argue the opposite; more developed and has a strong industry.

Around VIII and VI a.C. the Phoenicians invaded Spain and dominated the city of Cadiz, (in my Oceonography class, the phoenicias are the most successful explores, they have found evidence of strong naval and military organization, if in doubt just browse though any intro to oceanography book). Later the Greeks and Carthaginians from north of Africa invaded the territory, Amilcar and his son Anibal were responsible for the Punic War across the peninsula, fighting against the Romans, but in 205 a.C. they were expelled from the territory, and from the on the Romanization of Spain begins.

Just a piece of information, the invasion and colonization of Spain by the Romans wasn’t an easy one. Most “cities” put up a heavy fight, including Nemeses where all citizens committed suicide, they had a fighting spirit, better be free than dominated. With the settlement of the Romans, so came the religion. It happened more/less in the 1st century and some experts say, it came through the north of Africa, from the south and then it took over other parts of the territory. I think Christianity became strong when the apostle Santiago, visited the country (modern terminology), he is Spain’s patron Saint and for. I have been to Gallicia, to Santiago de Compostela and this is a beautiful gothic cathedral with the “remains” of the Saint. The legend has not been confirmed, but many believe it to be true. Why I am touching on this? Because Fernando and Isabella will evoke this later on and many will fight for the crown, on the belief that Spain has always been a catholic country.

To unify the territory the Romans, adopted Latin as the main language of the country, however local dialects were a predominant mode of communication between the people- this is still true to this day. However, all empires rise and decline, and Roman dominance in Spain had its final fate when the Visigoths invaded the area from the north. The Roman emperor Theodore, tried to establish normalcy in the area, but his alliance with the invaders, proved to be the winning ticket and the Visigoths occupied the country. One of the most beautiful architectural pieces left by the Visigoths was the architecture, the shoehorn can be seen on several of old buildings in Spain, I have been to Palencia and have seen a VII century church La Iglesia de San Juan de Baños, but even in Córdoba you can see the 3 faiths represented in La Mezquita de Córdoba. The Visigoths allowed people to continue with their own language and religion, they did not impose their language or their religion onto others, but the “Hispanorromanos” weren’t allowed to participate in elections or in the government. Also, in the beginning marriage was restricted to same ethnic/religion, but later on people interracial and interreligous marriage was common.

The Visigoths were conquered by the Arabs on 711. I am not going to much into how they stayed in Spain, but the 2 Visigoth factions were fighting after the death of their King Witiza, and because Roderick claimed the throne, Witiza’s familiy asked for the help from the Berbers of North Africa. They helped him off course, but on 711 Tariq ibn-Ziyad crossed the Straight of Gibraltar (now a British Territory) and invaded Spain. The rest is history!!! To be more precise, the Muslim conquest began after the death of Mohammed in 632, his followers continued to invade other territories on his behalf.

Spain remained under the dominance of the Arabs for 800 years. A small part up in north of the country, stayed under the Christian dominance, there was a sort of “no man’s land” between the line, and more often than not, there were wars in the area. Back to the Arabs, we all know that the 3 religions existed in Al-Ándalus, not always in 100% harmony, but Spain saw much progress in its economy, culture and language. I read Las Jarchas, which is a beautiful song, written in a dialect of Hebrew and Arabic, anyone interested in early Spanish literature should take a look at it. The Mozárabes (Christians under Arab dominance), Muladíes, converted Christians and hispanogodos, lived under the Arab dominance. The Converted Christians were “falso conversos”, they tried to avoid the taxation imposed by the Arabs, but were allowed to participate in the affairs of the Arab culture. The Mozárabes on the other hand were heavily taxed, they were not allowed to participate on Arab affairs, but could practice their religion. We have the Jews, living amongst everyone, THEY enjoyed more liberties. They were fully integrated into the Arab society and participated in the administration of the empire, something that the Christians were not allowed. MAIN REASON why the Catholic kings expelled the Jews from its territory. They always had more affinity with the Arabs than the Christians.

All trade, import and export were conducted by the Jewish. They traded with the Orient and were in control of the trade routes to and from North Africa, ASIA, EUROPE. They used to bring in: silk, drugs, spices, textiles, swords (in my opinion the swords from Toledo are more beautiful). Also, slaves were dispatched to other areas; the slave trade was controlled by them, from Al-Andalus to other parts of the empire. As you can see, Fernando and Isabella had more reasons to expel the Jews; they controlled “banks”, funds and the economy. I said on my comment that the expulsion had a lot more to do with economics than religion; I never said anything else…

Moving forward, I don’t want to write a book, but let’s go forward in time a bit. In 18th and 19th. In October 1469, Fernando and Isabella unite in matrimony. This is the unification of two kingdoms, Castilla-Leon with Aragon. This union has economic, political and religious reasons. Spain began the next chapter of the Reconquista. It is my belief that it really began when Pelayo, a noble Visigoth, took Covadonga from the Arabs. Pelayo in 718 and then Alfonso in 739, when he expelled the Arabs from Galicia e Leon, this began the next chapter in the Spanish history. Historians like to say that it began with the marriage of Isabella and Fernando, but it began before the matrimony of the kings.

While the ceremony was taking place, many other events were also shaping the area around Castilla y Aragon. There were factions for Juana, which some though that she deserved to ascend the throne and be acclaimed as the queen and anarchy returned to Castille. “Cardinal Pedro Gonzales de Mendonza and other great magnates had in 1473 moved to join Isabella, but in reaction to Mendonza’s rival Carrillo turned against her, and the powerful marquis of Villena put his strength behind Juana” (p2). Other conflicts were going on, for example, in Toro, Catalonia, 1462-72, Barcelona with the siege of the town in 1472. Wars cost money and certainly the Spain was suffering economically. The civil wars were not over, and the courts decided to move south, towards the Moorish territory. In 1480, the monarchs were more capable of making decisions in the matter of state and a full Cortes convened in January in Toledo, where all royal property was reclaimed for the crown and Corregidores were instituted. From 1481 onwards, the Isabella and Fernando, marched through Barcelona, Saragossa and Valencia in order to swear the laws and obtain oaths from its citizens.

In 1482, the Christian forces captured Alhama. Hostilities caused a ten year war that ended with the fall of Granada. If you know, Columbus (some say was the “other” in the relationship) was trying to get funding for his expeditions, it was Isabella that persuaded Fernando into financing him, not the other way around. In 1486, he was promised by the kings and officials of Aragon, Luis de Santangel, a Jew and a friend of the king approved the funds to Columbus. Where do you think the money to fund the expedition came from?

1492 is an interesting period. Not only it marks the end of the Arab conquest, but it is also the year in which the Jews were expelled from Spain. The final conquest of the Nazari kingdom in Granada ( in legal terms Granada was never conquered but agreed capitulations), puts an “end” to the war. A note, the Arabs were not expelled from Spain until later on. So to incorporate our friends AES’s answer, yes, they expelled the Jews, because they had controlled the finances, the economy and were heavily involved in the government.

Now let’s take a look at the main reasons for the expulsion of the Jews in 1492.

La Reconquista, left Spain in dire financial needs. Spain was relatively poor by the end of the war. The Jews were the smallest ethnic group in Spain, were sometimes prosecuted by Christians and Muslims. However, Spain was a tolerant society at the time, more so than today. King Fernando relied on the Jews, such as Alfonso de la Caballeria, Luis de Santangel and Gabriel Sanchez, as you may know AES, Isabella’s financiers were nonetheless the two most prominent man in Spain, Abraham Seneo and Isaac Abarbanel.. This peaceful living of the 3 cultures has been a point which different historians argue the most, I don’t believe it was all “rose and pose”, but the poorer Christians felt that they were being left out by the Catholic kings. As you know, 1391 Spain saw one of the biggest conflict, massacres were seen in Seville, Valencia, Barcelona, Toledo and other areas. Thousands of Jews were forced to accept Jesus as their savior. The new converted Jews, conversos, were largely insincere and were distrusted by all. You may know preachers and cardinals, especially Tomas de Torquemada, were counselors to the kings. They were stirring up hatred towards the Jews, mainly because the church wanted to gain control and Jewish property was a valuable asset to the state. The Spanish Inquisition, in the early stages was more concerned with enquiry than punishment. The inquisition in the beginning was not violent. They became aggressive latter on. The punishments were usually, hefty fines, and in this manner, the church/king accumulated wealth.

Spain was poor, with few significant resources. As you know, the climate in Spain varies, dry in the great plains, wet in Galicia, too hot and humid in the south. Bad land distribution—seen today, poor irrigation meant that agriculture was difficult and primitive methods of land management were used. The war and enterprises of Fernando and Isabella meant that Spain was in constant debt. In 1477, Spain had in its banks, 27 million maravedis. They were broke!!!

Spain had to centralize its power. Where it was the financial capital of Spain in that era? This is no news, many people know this already, AES you tell me? I already know the answer, Valladolid. Anyway, by establishing the Catholic religion as the official religion of Spain, it created a sense of unity, much needed in a country known to have 3 religions. The different factions within the country were a problem. The kings learned this valuable lesson earlier on with the “For Juana” and others “For Isabella” fiasco; Spain has always been LAS DOS ESPANAS.

The marriage did not centralize the power, all agreements were made between both of them, Tanto monta monta tanto/ Isabel como Fernando means that, they both shared power and decisions. In the beginning there was no idea of a “united Spain” beyond their personal union, no attempt was ever made to disturb the autonomy of Castile and Aragon, or any other autonomy. What created a rift between autonomies were simply, trade regulations and taxation, this was a huge problem in terms of unification. For example, Castile had problems regarding feudalism; the Muslim invasion destroyed the great sense of baronage. In the Duero area closer to the river, Christian’s resettlement began by small settlers not dependant financially on any lord.

The Centralization of power comes when Tomas de Torquemada becomes the head of the Inquisition in 1483 and unites the Inquisitors, creating a single authority, more powerful than any other political affiliation. The papacy continued to have influence and claimed jurisdiction, BUT Fernando and the Inquisition blocked the interference and claimed royal powers over the inquisition affairs. The pope new they were taking property and money from the Jews and they could do a thing to stop them.

The Alhambra decree has many sides to it. It has economical, political and religious influences. Spain was poor and in need of money. By expelling the Jews, it therefore created control over trade routes with AFRICA, EUROPE AND ASIA. By expelling the Jews, the personal properties, titles, gold, currency, helped finance Spain and helped finance Columbus expedition. The expulsion of the Jews in 1492 was therefore a cultural, economical, political and religious decision.

You, have proven to be an idiot. They did control trade, bank routes and the economy of Europe, Asia and Africa...How far in Asia, now you tell me!!

Moving forward, I don’t want to write a book, but let’s go forward in time a bit. In 18th and 19th. In October 1469,

It is 15 century....

City is Numansia, not nemesis!!

Sitting with your beer or wine?

It was therefore a cultural, economical, political and religious decision.

It is always a cultural, economical, political decision. From the bombing of Pearl Harbor, to the bombing of Hiroshema and Nagasaki; from the genocide of the American Indian to the genocide of the Cambodians; from the crucifiction of the early Christians to the destruction of the Christian church in Constantinople. The movement of history is always a cultural, economical political and religious decision of the state; any state, all states.

"They have for thousands of years controlled the economy and trade everywhere." Your statement is nonsense.

Dear, learn history. If I were you, with some of the grammar mistakes you have made, you should not say that you are a professor of English literature, change professions....I don't want you teaching my kids! And you were NOT making an opinion not based on my English, BUT on the fact that my father "brainwashed" me. Try again, your argument is nonsense! Your last post doesn't prove anything...keep trying!

You cannot make an opinion my dear Shelly. You can form an opinion, have an opinion, endorse an opinion, but not make an opinion. Professing English was something I did 40 years ago at San Jose. Ultimately there is nothing to teach. Most people that are undergraduate students at American universities do not belong there. Most people do not have any inkling of what they think or why.

Brainwashed is your word. The expression I used was counterfit history your father infected you with.

As I have said, I have nothing against the Jewish people, I cannot go against my nature!Anyway, I truly believe that with the expulsion of the Jews, Spain scientifically and culturally became stagnant. Even with the "discovery of the Americas", Spain remained scientifically a poor country...I agree with AES that, people that borrow shouldn't be crying wolf. The Jews are hardworking people, obviously everyone will look after their own interest in business. However, I am against predatory business practice.

"The most fortunate of the expelled Jews succeeded in escaping to Turkey. Sultan Bajazet welcomed them warmly. "How can you call Ferdinand of Aragon a wise king," he was fond of asking, "the same Ferdinand who impoverished his own land and enriched ours?"

http://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/jsource/Judaism/expulsion.html

AES, By saying that my dad counterfeit history, I am inclined to believe that you think that my dad Brainwashed me. I think is rude of you to say something like that about my dad. Let's leave our folks off the discussion. I have a great respect, love and adoration towards my father, more so than my mother. He never counterfeited history, only now we discuss politics. I don't think I was intellectually prepared to have a conversation with him. This is a man that has traveled extensively and know more than I do. I never claim to know everything, not even in Spanish literature or history. But, I did have a Spaniard as a professor, he is a teacher at GMU, he is from Malaga and a genius in Literature and History.

Not a problem my dear, you have a good night and a good weekend. We get caught up in silly little discussions here. I agree with you, teaching these days is difficult and most kids aren't really bothered. I don't know much about American Literature, but I am taking a class in Religion and Politics and I am reading this book The civil society reader by Virginia Hodgkinson and Mark Foley. Just finished reading a James Madison piece, the Federalist n10. I really enjoyed it.

I have used this web site before. Also, there were important Jews that came to America, just check some of the names. I agree, Ferdinand set Spain on the wrong path, many nations that welcomed the Jews prospered economically.

. . .the counterfeit history your father infected you with.

Shelly counterfeit here is an adjective not a verb. Infected is not by intent but by consequence.

counterfeit
adjective

Fraudulently or deceptively imitative: bogus, fake, false, fraudulent, phony, sham, spurious, suppositious, supposititious. See true/false.

I was not casting any aspersions upon your father. I was commenting on the information he imparted; particularly its contaminative prejuditial nature.

Again, you are wrong. He cannot be prejudicial and he is a Jewish descendant himself. All of his family members are Jews, therefore for you to assume such thing is an absurd. I completely understood the meaning of your sentence, "counterfit history your father infected you with". You don't need to try to explain yourself by putting the blame on me. I have been in this country and lived in England long enough to understand the nuances of the language.

Also, you assumed too much. Pit you don't see that.

I meant pitty. Anyway AES, think whatever ;you want, it doesn't make a difference. I think I have proven my point, that the history I learned has nothing to do with him...

Ah, I can see what made you explain yourself. Look at my local time, 2:58 am!!!

By saying that my dad counterfeit history, I am inclined to believe that you think that my dad Brainwashed me.

Anyway, you accused him of teaching me bogus history. You have assumed too much.

written by AES, 2007-08-31 21:47:18
Ben S. Bernanke head of the Federal Reserve and Alan Greenspan his predecessor are both noted Jewish bankers of the largest economy in the world. Brazil would do well to have such competence involved in its banking system. You are in your thinking an anti semite. This is not the first time that you have demonstrated such thinking. 'The jews own this f**king country' is a patently anti semetic generalization that is based on classic anti semetic myths. I am disappointed in this virulent demonstration of your nature. It is a pity.

And the jews "mandar" the banking system in the U.S. They control banking GLOBALLY! The difference is AES, as I stated, "in a country where laws are NOT enforced"...such as Brazil! If you have money, and they certainly do, you ARE the law!! That is not so much the case in the U.S. The bankers in the U.S.well know they are NOT above the law, and the law does apply to them, as it does to all.

That is NOT the case in Brazil.

I have a lot of respect for Jewish people. They are extremely intelligent. They "stick" together. And excuse me if I have to be honest, brutally at times. And naturally, as in any generalization, there are exceptions.

couldn't have said it any better!

". . .therefore for you to assume such thing is an absurd." It should read: "therefore for you to assume such a thing is abusrd (or an absurdity)."

Shelly you do not understand the nuances of the language. You think you do. You also do not understand a passive verb from an active verb. One is by consequence the other by intent.

Reference 'The Self-Hating Jew' . . .it is endemic to the Diaspora.

...the internalization of the negative stereotypes about who you are--the identification with the reference group's image of you as 'the other' in society.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Self-hating_Jew

if I was a Brazilian president, I would forbid carnaval, soccer, soap operas and prostitution
and Brazil would become a nicer place in the world.

even India has given more to the world than brazil

Yes Shelly we pay interest to bankers. It is axiomatic. If you do not wish to pay interest to bankers do not borrow money. Money costs money. Money has a value. It is a value established by the market place. Your contention that the economy of the world for thousands of years has been in the control of Jews is ludicrous. Two thousand years ago till Constantine, Rome ruled the economy of the Western world. They crucified Jews, ie. Christ and half the apostles. The Jews were thrown into the Diaspora by the Romans, their lives and professions were legislated at will by the monarchs in whose lands they inhabited. They were ministers of power, but never the power. After thousands of years of practice they became good at the societal niches that were afforded them by the powers they found themselves subject to.

Well, you may find it more than a little ironic that everytime you see the "brazilian president of the olympic committee", the brazilian president of what the f**k ever"......if there's cash involved, it's a jew!

As I said, a country where laws are not enforced and depends upon finance from outside.....be f**kin' careful!

Bo you have become intellectually myopic. China, Russia, Saudia Arabia, India, these are all known for their Abramic bankers? You have suffered some business loses by these Elders of Zion? You have been outsmarted or outwitted in your business transactions and have formulated a reason for your failure and impotence, placed it at the straw dog of the banking cabal in the closet of your mind? Your perception of history is the transference of personal failures. Your perception of history has no merit. If you have data to support your Mein Kampfian historical theory please elaborate, or else recognize the platitudinal nature of your commentary.

I don't have to prove you anything, on the other hand...glad you gave up teaching.

Go and F yourself!

Your knowledge of the Spanish history is flawed, stick to English literature.

Self hating-Jew, f**k you...now you have to far, you are an a*****e!

For Shelly. Check yourself in and stay away from sharp objects until sedated.

Rick, I am entitled to say to him how I feel. Actually, he has proven to be an arrogant a*****e in need of Prozac. He finds failure on everyone else, but forgets to look deep into his psyche. Narcissism is a psychological condition, he has an accusatory tone on every single post. To call me a "Self hating Jew" is ridiculous, he certainly need to get check in immediately into a mental institution. He sees failure on everyone else, he is certainly delusional. I am angry, yes, I don't have to put up with s**t from him, especially related to my religion.

This is what he said to Bo: our perception of history is the transference of personal failures. Your perception of history has no merit.
To me: If this is an example of the scholasticism of which you are so proud George Mason has greatly failed you.

Professor AES, you use wiki for your research...even kids in high school are told not to avoid this flawed "research tool" ! And you call yourself professor of English literature, I would keep that a secret if I were you...

kids are, as well as university students to AVOID WIKIPEDIA at all costs...

It was a place for you to begin. Google has 20 pages of sites on the subject matter. My referencing it was to demonstrate that your contention of your fathers ethnic heritage precluded his being capable of being anti semetic or a witting or unwitting participant in such thinking was erroneous.

Your admonishment about Wikipedia is amusing as is your usage of English, but you are a product of George Mason and it is the proof of its failing as a university to its students. How do you give a degree to a university student that cannot but a thought together in written form without a litany of errors?

You make too many assumptions, stick to English literature, as I said it to you before, your written English is at best mediocre. And was your excuse again? You are a narcissist and pedantic person. Take Prozac dear, you will feel better. There are more reliable places to do a research, a place to start would be a librarian, better use books.

My referencing it was to demonstrate that your contention of your fathers ethnic heritage precluded his being capable of being anti semetic or a witting or unwitting participant in such thinking was erroneous.

Mr. know it all, you are wrong dear, he is not capable of being anti-semitic, others may feel ashamed of their religion, but we aren't. You thinking and assumptions about us are erroneous!

I have proven, with my little comment on the Jewish expulsion, to know a little be more about the Spanish history than you. Your self-deprecating behavior is pathetic.

"In theory, Wikipedia is a beautiful thing - it has to be a beautiful thing if the Web is leading us to a higher consciousness. In reality, though, Wikipedia isn't very good at all. Certainly, it's useful - I regularly consult it to get a quick gloss on a subject. But at a factual level it's unreliable, and the writing is often appalling. I wouldn't depend on it as a
source, and I certainly wouldn't recommend it to a student writing a research paper".

Here is one example:

Take, for instance, this section from Wikipedia's biography of Bill Gates, excerpted verbatim:

Gates married Melinda French on January 1, 1994. They have three children, Jennifer Katharine Gates (born April 26, 1996), Rory John Gates (born May 23, 1999) and Phoebe Adele Gates (born September 14, 2002).

In 1994, Gates acquired the Codex Leicester, a collection of writings by Leonardo da Vinci; as of 2003 it was on display at the Seattle Art Museum.

In 1997, Gates was the victim of a bizarre extortion plot by Chicago resident Adam Quinn Pletcher. Gates testified at the subsequent trial. Pletcher was convicted and sentenced in July 1998 to six years in prison. In February 1998 Gates was attacked by Noël Godin with a cream pie. In July 2005, he solicited the services of famed lawyer Hesham Foda.

According to Forbes, Gates contributed money to the 2004 presidential campaign of George W. Bush. According to the Center for Responsive Politics, Gates is cited as having contributed at least $33,335 to over 50 political campaigns during the 2004 election cycle.

Excuse me for stating the obvious, but this is garbage, an incoherent hodge-podge of dubious factoids (who the heck is "famed lawyer Hesham Foda"?) that adds up to something far less than the sum of its parts.
http://www.roughtype.com/archives/2005/10/the_amorality_o.php
http://media.www.michigandaily.com/media/storage/paper851/news/2006/10/04/State/Is.Wikipedia.Worthy.Of.Trust.At.Ballot.Box-2330344.shtml

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I would rather go with this sort of opinion, serious professors and students do not use Wikipedia, they will use Muse, Jstor and other scientific papers. People with mediocre knowledge are more inclined to use Wikipedia.

Adj. 1. self-deprecating - conscious of your own shortcomings
apologetic, excusatory - offering or expressing apology; "an apologetic note"; "an apologetic manner"

self-deprecating would be antithetical to narcissistic.

In July 2005, he solicited the services of famed lawyer Hesham Foda.

I dont know the credentials of this famed Lawyer Dr.Foda. I wouldnt even dream of hiringFoda,because I know I would be "fudido". I hope Bill Gates got good services from Dr.Foda. Is this Foda a member of OAB?

Self deprecating behavior: English was something I did 40 years ago at San Jose

Narcissism: our perception of history is the transference of personal failures. Your perception of history has no merit.
If this is an example of the scholasticism of which you are so proud George Mason has greatly failed you.

As you may know, a person suffering from a personality disorder, he/she may develop one or more psychological disorders at once. It is possible in mental health issues for a person to be, for example, bipolar and have an adjustment disorder. Be narcissist at times and have self-deprecating behavior at other times, it is all part of the disease, one minute being grandiose and then being excusatory. People suffering from Bipolar disorder behave in this manner, treat yourself...

The explanation you have given works only in English, but not in psychology. http://allpsych.com/disorders/mood/bipolar.html

http://allpsych.com/disorders/adjustment/index.html

Well, just think of this. Here where I live we have a Japanese restaurant called NOKU (not the same as Mr. Foda/foda, but it is funny that I have to see NOKU every time I cross the street). Every Friday I ask my husband - Can you take me NOKU today?

"A narcissist rarely engages in self-directed, self-deprecating humour. If he does, he expects to be contradicted, rebuked and rebuffed by his listeners ('Come on, you are actually quite handsome!'), or to be commended or admired for his courage or for his wit and intellectual acerbity ('I envy your ability to laugh at yourself!'). As everything else in a narcissist's life, his sense of humour is deployed in the interminable pursuit of Narcissistic Supply."

Read this, it will help you:

http://samvak.tripod.com/thebook.html

Everything is possible in the defense of your world, Shelly. It is easy to mistake self-hating with self-depricating. . .as you have evinced.
Self-hating is not the same as self-depricating. Narcissism may be a a response to self-hating, but self deprication is more often referenced as a comedic device ie. Woody Allen. Your efforts at pseudo psychiatric analysis are predictible. Your familiarity with Prozac is suspect. Your grasp of intelligence is tenuous. Your titilation with NOKU is juvenile. Your argumentation is fatuous.

Every Friday I ask my husband - Can you take me NOKU today?

Why only on Fridays?

btw, be careful with our friend AES, he can be very nasty , coming out with some buzz words which commoners like me wouldnt understand



AES, I think you continue to be in serious trouble. You are at a disadvantage,because she is Yiddish, Brazilian and bilingual!

You have plagiarized, you knowledge of the expulsion of the Jews, your opinion comes directly from Wikipedia....shame on you professor of English literature. Here we go...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spanish_Inquisition

JUST LOOK at the end of the page, you have copied and pasted somebody else's idea and tried to formulate as your own...You use Wikepedia to "argue" your case, you are therefore, parroting the counterfit history Wikipedia has infected you with.

We are owned by the Jews and this is nothing new. They have for thousands of years controlled the economy and trade everywhere, why do you think Spain expelled the Jews in 1492? It has a lot more to do with economics than religion".

Spain expelled the Jews out of fear of their loyalty to the Moors as well as to confiscate their wealth. It was about theft, about mere profit. It was about power. Three months after the final unification of Spain the monarchy issued the Alhambra Decree;
1.To establish political and religious homogeneity. The Inquisition allowed the monarchy to intervene actively in religious affairs, without the interference of the Pope. At the same time, Ferdinand and Isabella's objective was the creation of an efficient state machinery; thus one of their priorities was to achieve religious unity to promote more centralized political authority.




2.To weaken local political opposition to the Catholic monarchs. Strengthening centralized political authority also entailed weakening local political opposition. Resistance to the installation of the Inquisition in the Kingdom of Aragon, for example, was often couched in terms of local legal privileges (fueros).

3.Out of fear. It remains a fact that the Jews, either directly or through their correligionists in Africa, encouraged the Mohammedans to conquer Spain. Whether real or imagined there was a great fear among 15th Century Spaniards that they had a Fifth column living among them.

4.To do away with the powerful converso minority. Many members of influential families such as the Santa Fés, the Santangels, the Caballerias and the Sanchezes, were prosecuted in the Kingdom of Aragon. However the King of Aragon, Ferdinand, continued to employ many conversos in his administration.

5.Profit. The property of people found guilty by the Inquisition was confiscated. Pope Sixtus IV openly accused the monarchs of this sin.

Your world knowledge is juvenile and based on Wikepedia, and you have proven to be a cheater and a liar...keep going professor of English literature...

I think I try to be a fair person. What I cannot accept is plagiarism, especially from a English literature professor. I am very serious about this, and we should keep the discussion fair and give credit when needed. There are several types of plagiarism, global, partial, full, etc. Once you put something up, you should give a link and give the authors credit for their work. I don't see this different from, let's say, the copyright laws. I formulated a good response based on my knowledge, on my studies of Spanish history and literature, not on Wikepedia. I have also given the name of the book used and quoted a page number. He has on the other hand cheated.

I copied and pasted "his ideas" and did a search, funny enough it came first on the list, From where? On Wikepedia. Therefore, I can formulate an opinion based on his behavior, he is juvenile and clearly doesn't understand history and formulates opinions on a flawed encyclopedia. I expected more from him, I am disappointed...

AES, Take a lit. course in "The Age Of Reason." A Modest Suggestion. You do not know what you do not understand. and please, if you do, use Jstor and Muse, not Wikepedia.

btw, be careful with our friend AES, he can be very nasty , coming out with some buzz words which commoners like me wouldnt understand.

Yes, he is pretentious and pedantic. I don't care about words, talk is cheap...give me more substance!

Chelsea game is on, so I will leave this for a couple of hours....

Why would you assume that the reasons for the Alhambra Decree were my analysis? They are merely reasons. The only thing that should concern you is if they are true or not. It was a response to your. . ."We are owned by the Jews and this is nothing new. They have for thousands of years controlled the economy and trade everywhere, why do you think Spain expelled the Jews in 1492?" Spain expelled the Jews out of fear of their loyalty to the Moors as well as to confiscate their wealth. It was about theft, about mere profit. It was about power. This I penned, the rest was supportive commentary. What does it matter the origins of the evidence to rebut the absurdity of your contention?

A Modest Suggestion should have read A Modest Proposal a satyrical treatise by J. Swift on the suggestions that the poor children of London be used as food, providing a variety of recipes for the serving of them. . .Thus since you had not read the satyre. . .You would not know what you do not understand, in this case that A Modest Proposal was a satyrical essay.

Things have multiple meanings of which you think you understand, but in reality do not. This is the provence of the study of English Literature. It is multi-dimensional and deals with thinking and perception as well as syntax, grammar, etymology and a host of other esotericisms. It is considered to be one of the most difficult majors at university.

You are a cheater. Nothing else to say...

Your rethoric is juvenile...

The only thing that should concern you is if they are true or not.

little boy, you are a "cultural elite" impersonator...

And I gave you a proper lecture, if you quote me, I am asking you to give me credit. Did you learn anything?

Let me tell you about my Sunday. We were invited for lunch by some friends. The lady is of Jewish origin and her husband is of Syrian descent, but converted to catholicism.My wife side family is from the land of Bo´s ancestors. There was this 86 year old Anglo from London(England).There were several others whose religious affliations I did not bother to ask.The least qualification of the participants was a Master´s degree. The conversation was intelligent and did not involve in religious matters. What I want to say is that ,like minded folks do not think about their religions,but how they can accomplish the objectives.You know as well as I do, that in Brazil, we call all the Brazilians of Arab origin "Turcos" or "Judeos",because many do not understand the difference.Judaism is as ancient as Hinduism and if I recall the history of civilizations, the folks from that part of the world knew arts,science,trade,etc; They did contribute to the development of the "Western World", with their "Brain Power".

Shelly, I dont mind a person belonging to another relgion.But I do mind the stupidity of religious fanatics and their followers,who want to impose their will on people like us. I think that the Commies have started their own religion and who knows ,when Castro is dead, he would be revered as Jesus II and the new religion would be called Communism (or by any other fashionable Latin Name).

As for me, I love all the religions and the people fight in their names are nothing but pawns,like in a chess game.

btw, I did see your comment that you hated predatory busines practices. The biggest predatory business is being practised by OUR government.Suck the money out of honest citizens.Just think and I am sure your dad would agree with me.Nothing to do with the Jewish people, but good greedy Christians!

And I suppose you think Spanish language is easy, be my guest dear...you have proven to be an idiot, a cheater and a liar. I am glad you are out of the American Universities.

Lowth's Introduction to English Grammar appeared in 1762.

Spanish Grammar: 1492 by Antonio de Nebrija.


Your knowledge of English language is pretentious, full of allegorias (figura retorica), but empty in its substance.

Early Grammarians (18th Century)

"A proposal for an Academy of the English Language was first brought forth by Jonathan Swift in 1712, but the Parliament voted against it. Nevertheless, several grammarians wrote dictionaries and grammar books in a prescriptive manner - telling people what to do or not to do with the language. Samuel Johnson's A Dictionary of the English Language was published in 1755 and Robert Lowth's Introduction to English Grammar appeared in 1762. Early grammarians felt that language should be logical, therefore, the double negative was considered incorrect (two negatives equal one positive) and should not be used. They also didn't like shortened or redundant words, borrowing words from other languages (except Latin and Greek), split infinitives, or prepositions at the end of the sentence/"
http://www.ielanguages.com/enghist.html

Both languages are rich and difficult to learn, let me see your Spanish or your Portuguese

Shelly, what do you think about the plan to bomb Iran sometime in the next two years? Do you think a blockade would be effective instead? We know that you try to be a fair person.

I agree with you. I can't say I love all religions, there are so many out there, it is difficult to keep track of them. But I believe we are all in search of peace, and my God is the same God in Islam, Christianity and Judaism. I am Jewish, I love my religion and would never impose it on anyone else. I won't negate my religion, my family will never negate its origin. We see it as a sense of pride, we as a culture, have been on this planet for a long time. Within a couple of weeks we'll be celebrating Rosh Hashanah...I very important date on Jewish calendar. It is a day to renew your spirit and to wish friends and family Shanah Tovah. . We in this household are secular Jews, we are not Orthodox Jews, we are very open and respectful towards other religions. To call me self-hating is just horrible, and my family--as I told you before, my dad every Saturday goes to a favela in Rio, does a lot to help others, probably more than everyone of us here. We love Brazil and we love Israel. Brazil has been a country of refuge to our family, a country that has embraced and allowed us to grow. I see myself blessed to have Brazil as my mother country, and Israel as my grandmother.

Shalom

what do you think about the plan to bomb Iran sometime in the next two years?

You are as blood thirsty as the "Brazilian Dude".Submit your plans for our approval.

We are talking about thought, about rationation. It does not matter the language that carry the exercises of mind. A fact is a fact is a fact and circum locution is circum locution. A fallacy of logic is the same in any language. Disease is the same disease regardless of what you call it. Ayn chadesh tachat ha shemish. . .there is nothing knew under the sun my dear Shelly. Love is love is love and vulgarity is vulgarity no matter what you call it. s**t stinks and a women is either pregnant or she is not. A fact exists extant from the opinion of anyone, regardless of the language. Your thinking is childish, your academics mere pap(worthless or oversimplified ideas), poorly written, ill thought out and sophomoric. You have no original thoughts, you are a dilettante.
Your treatise on the Alhambra Decree was a poor example of scholarship. We will give you an A for enthusiasm and a C- for scholarship.

I am not an expert on foreign affairs. I am against the war in Iraq and I don't want anymore more death. I believe Israel has a right to exist, so does Palestine. I am against violence, we need to have more diplomacy, violence and hate are our nemesis. In regards to Iran, we should be very careful. Ric being fair is a difficult thing to achieve. I said -I try to be fair, sometimes this is utopic, it is impossible at times to serve both interests . Do you think they should be allowed to enrich uranium for energy purposes? Yes. For the atomic bomb? No. I think we should allow the UN to step in, alongside other countries. We need to learn from the mistakes made in Iraq, let the UN deal with it. If they are using for energy purposes, I don't see a problem, but if they want to create an atomic bomb, than we should take all the necessary measures to stop it. Are the Iranian government going to lie about it? I don't know, but the US and the UK lied about WMDs; and I don't want to see our kids die in vain. The US doesn't have international credibility and even if good policies are drawn, people will be skeptical.

The Brits are withdrawing from Basra today...I guess more Americans will be sent over there. More coffins will come home...this is too sad.

Ric, what sort of blockade are you talking about? Please, clarify me on this...

THEN, we should take all the necessary measures to stop it.

Your treatise on the Alhambra Decree was a poor example of scholarship. We will give you an A for enthusiasm and a C- for scholarship.

It was better than "yours", cheater. I give you an F, you failed!

"Disease is the same disease regardless of what you call it. Ayn chadesh tachat ha shemish. . .there is nothing knew under the sun my dear Shelly. Love is love is love and vulgarity is vulgarity no matter what you call it. s**t stinks and a women is either pregnant or she is not... " How long did it take for you to figure that one out?

I can't say I love all religions, there are so many out there, it is difficult to keep track of them. But I believe we are all in search of peace

Believe me when I say that I know a bit of religions.All the religions preach peace and harmony.I like to filter and take the good things of the relgions and discard the bad things.

If I recall the word Shalom, it is equivalent to Salam in Arabic. It means Greetings and Peace be upon you. I love both the words.

As for your not being orthodox Jews,no problem. None of our Yiddish friends are. Except Henry Sobel whom AES highly dispproves. I bet you know who good ole Henry is.Probably your dad would like to strangle him!

Shalom and dont forget to have some falafel in our honor during the Rosh Hashanah...I wonder if AES knows what it is

A fact is a fact is a fact and circum locution is circum locution. As far as I know circumlocution should be written as a single word....

http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/circumlocution.

Ayn chadesh tachat ha shemish.

It should be hashemesh, not ha shemish
.

It can also mean goodbye. Buy it is like "peace be upon you".

You may know this already, http://www1.folha.uol.com.br/f...3501.shtml

gram·mar (grmr)
n.
1.
a. The study of how words and their component parts combine to form sentences.
b. The study of structural relationships in language or in a language, sometimes including pronunciation, meaning, and linguistic history.
2.
a. The system of inflections, syntax, and word formation of a language.
b. The system of rules implicit in a language, viewed as a mechanism for generating all sentences possible in that language.
3.
a. A normative or prescriptive set of rules setting forth the current standard of usage for pedagogical or reference purposes.
b. Writing or speech judged with regard to such a set of rules.
4. A book containing the morphologic, syntactic, and semantic rules for a specific language.
5.
a. The basic principles of an area of knowledge: the grammar of music.
b. A book dealing with such principles.

spell·ing (splng)
n.
1.
a. The forming of words with letters in an accepted order; orthography.
b. The art or study of orthography.
2. The way in which a word is spelled.

chag sameach gam ken

China, Russia, Saudia Arabia, India, these are all known for their Abramic bankers? GRAMMAR, anyone?

A fact is a fact is a fact and circum locution is circum locution? GRAMMAR AND SPELLING, anyone

My usage of the English language is sophomoric, yours...for an English professor, worse than a freshman! Cheater, you have myopic knowledge of world affairs, history, literature and language. Your attempt to write in Hebrew shows how much of narcissist person you are! Hashemesh means sunsset

Ayn chadesh tachat ha shemish.

It should be hashemesh, not ha shemish.

Goodnight AES, don't forget your Prozac before bedtime. You should take it more often...

Plagiarism:

How Can Students (and professor alike) Avoid Plagiarism?

http://www.indiana.edu/~wts/pamphlets/plagiarism.shtml

To avoid plagiarism, you must give credit whenever you use

* another person’s idea, opinion, or theory;
* any facts, statistics, graphs, drawings—any pieces of information—that are not common knowledge;
* quotations of another person’s actual spoken or written words; or
* paraphrase of another person’s spoken or written words.


plagiarism [play‐jă‐rizm], the theft of ideas (such as the plots of narrative or dramatic works) or of written passages or works, where these are passed off as one's own work without acknowledgement of their true origin; or a piece of writing thus stolen. Plagiarism is not always easily separable from imitation, adaptation, or pastiche, but is usually distinguished by its dishonest intention. A person practising this form of literary theft is a plagiarist. The older term plagiary was applied both

to plagiarisms and to plagiarists.


http://www.answers.com/topic/plagiarism?cat=biz-fin

Verb: plagiarize.

BLOODTHIRSTY??? ME???
Seriously, now: having been in the real thing more times than I care to remember, I truly believe it is always the LAST resort.
But unfortunately, it is the only way to deal with some people.
So, if you have to do it, do it right.No half-measures.
Think all you have to, hesitate all you have to BEFORE you act.
But if you act, do so with finality.
Otherwise you are dead meat.
I saw too many would-be pacifists and negotiators kick the bucket due to misguided efforts.
But no, I do not approve of violence.
Neither do I deny its occasional necessity.
By the way, there has never been a single engagement in which I was not scared s**tless. This "shaken, not stirred" s**t is ridiculous.

Joao, did you know that Henry Sobel was caught stealing?

Of course, we all know this. AES is one of the first ones to condemn ole Henry for his naughty behavior

In fact, we have been trying to persuade AES to take over command of the Jewish congression in SP,but he refuses. He is quite happy to be in Rio!

The breaking news is that Henry will assume his responsibilties by the end of this month. I hope he creates a new program called "Gravata familiar"

I hope he creates a new program called "Gravata familiar", hahahahahahahhahaha , This is was so funny, you are a good sport Joao-. I didn't know he was in Rio... I certainly miss the Garota do Ipanema bar, I used to go there a lot when my family lived in Ipanema. Now they are in Barra da Tijuca, kind of far to go. But, Barra has a great Rodizio de Pizza and an Irish bar.

Humm, pao de queijo, guarana, cafe melita, churraco, cachaca....

if they want to create an atomic bomb, than we should take all the necessary measures to stop it. Yes very good idea Shelly. When do you suppose you will know this? When they tell you? When their is a dull glow from Tel Aviv or Haifa? There is no doubt that this is the intent of Iran, ask the Mossad. Or do you think that the Mossad has another adjenda besides the preservation of Israel. The question is not if but when. You remind me of the Jews in Germany that did not flee because it was so unimaginable that such a thing could exist. Certainly if we spoke with them, engaged in diplomacy that would do the trick. . .ask Neville Chamberlain, 'peace in our time'. Iran is at war with the U.S., the Kobar towers, U.S.S. Cole, embassy bombings, Hezbollah. Iran is the greatest sponsor of state terrorism in the world. . .Iran is interested in establishing a Caliphate, global hegemony, one world under Islam with its center Tehran.

Kol Tuv, my friend! See you around...

Dear AES,
I think we should be careful, that is all I am saying. Brazilian Dude made a good point, if we act, it must be final. No half measures. However, I have Iranian friends here in the US and they have families over there. We are dealing with innocent people...I have kids and when I see them every morning, I feel blessed because I am able to cherish their lives, some Iraqi mums aren't able to enjoy their children today. I am sure Iran is up to no good, but let the UN at least do their job for once. We failed in Iraq, do you really think the US has the financial stability to declare war on Iran, think again? As I said, the British are pulling out (beginning) of Basra today, what do you think it will happen to US troops?

Essa era so que me faltava, Bush dara palestras depois da Presidencia. To PRE-K kids!!!

Bush diz que ganhará dinheiro com palestras depois da Presidência

Plantão | Publicada em 02/09/2007 às 17h04m
EFE

WASHINGTON - O presidente dos Estados Unidos, George W. Bush, espera ganhar dinheiro com a realização de palestras após o fim do seu mandato presidencial em janeiro de 2009, indicou na edição deste domingo no jornal "The New York Times".

Bush conversou com Robert Draper, cujo livro sobre o quadragésimo terceiro presidente dos Estados Unidos será posto à venda na terça-feira.

O título do livro de Draper é "Dead Certain" ("Morte Certa", em tradução livre), em referência a uma frase dita várias vezes por ele em sua vida pública: "There's no doubt in my mind" (Não tenho a menor dúvida).

Segundo o "Times", Bush disse a Draper que imagina que desfrutará muito da vida quando voltar a ter tempo para si, livre das obrigações na Casa Branca.

- Vou dar algumas palestras para conseguir um dinheiro em caixa - disse Bush.

O jornal lembrou que o presidente tem ativos em seu nome calculados em cerca de US$ 21 milhões.

- Não sei quanto meu pai ganha com suas palestras - disse Bush em relação ao ex-presidente George H. W. Bush.

- Acho que gira em torno de algo entre US$ 50 mil e US$ 70 mil por discurso e (o ex-presidente Bill) Clinton ganha montes de dinheiro (com os seus).

Além disso, "teremos um lugar muito lindo em Dallas (Texas)" onde estará à frente de um "fantástico Instituto da Liberdade" que promoverá a democracia no mundo todo, acrescentou o presidente.

No decorrer de alguma das reuniões, que começaram em dezembro, Draper comentou ao presidente que este, aparentemente "não tinha um ombro sobre o qual chorar".

- Certamente que tenho - respondeu Bush, de acordo com o "Times". - Tenho o ombro de Deus para me jogar e chorar, e choro muito - afirmou o presidente

Tenho o ombro de Deus para me jogar e chorar, e choro muito - afirmou o presidente

Him and Mula Bin Lula have a lot to cry for....

http://www.nytimes.com/2007/09...ref=slogin

The five comments above were purloined from The Rubaiat of François Sagan.

Bo you have become intellectually myopic. China, Russia, Saudia Arabia, India, these are all known for their Abramic bankers? You have suffered some business loses by these Elders of Zion? You have been outsmarted or outwitted in your business transactions and have formulated a reason for your failure and impotence, placed it at the straw dog of the banking cabal in the closet of your mind? Your perception of history is the transference of personal failures. Your perception of history has no merit. If you have data to support your Mein Kampfian historical theory please elaborate, or else recognize the platitudinal nature of your commentary.

AES, your assumptions are assinine. Or, let me make it clearer for you since you're an ex-english professor and all.... Your assumptions are fatuous, hairbrained, idiotic, imbecile, inane, laughable, and absurd!

By the way, you did say that you've worked in the "jewelry" business n'eh??

Well, there it is.

What's your real name? Jaime?

See you later down at the YMHA.

If there is no truth to it Bo then why does it evoke any response at all from you? If you are interested in clarifying my misperception of your continual cholar at 'f**king Jews' this and 'f**king cabalic bankerJews this' then why dont you do that? And by the way imbecile is a noun, imbecilic is an adjective.

I wouldn' say that I 'worked' in the jewelry business, but rather I was involved in the jewelry industry as a wholesale manufacturer, and as an owner of one of the largest jewelry stores in Waikiki for ten years. These mudane, perfunctory entrepenurial enterprises took me to three continents over thirty years and produced millions of dollars in revenue. If this is what you meant by "you've worked in the "jewelry" business n'eh??" then yes, I "worked" in the jewelry business, n'eh??

See you later down at the YMHA.

Seriously thinking of starting YMBA in Brasil,after reading all the comments.Would you be interested in being the Vice President of Marketing? I am sure that the Brazilian Dude would love to be the Vice President of Security.

Do you think there are enough Buddhists in Brazil to support such an organization?

If there is no truth to it Bo then why does it evoke any response at all from you? If you are interested in clarifying my misperception of your continual cholar at 'f**king Jews' this and 'f**king cabalic bankerJews this' then why dont you do that? And by the way imbecile is a noun, imbecilic is an adjective.

Now get it right moron...I said, "the f**king jews run this country!"

What the f**k would you call a place that charges 12% interest a MONTH on a line of credit in your checking account yet the very f**king constitution in said country has a MAXIMUM amount of monthly interest of 1% per month??

Jeudeu?? My ass!! Eles não deu nada para niguem!! É jeutomar!!!

Do you think there are enough Buddhists in Brazil to support such an organization?

Of course, AES. I am sure that you were aware of Dalai Lama´s visit to Brazil, last year and the interest it created among the young Brazilians. btw, somehow, I knew you were going to respond to my comment! After all you have been to Sri.Lanka!!

These mudane, perfunctory entrepenurial enterprises took me to three continents over thirty years and produced millions of dollars in revenue. If this is what you meant by "you've worked in the "jewelry" business n'eh??" then yes, I "worked" in the jewelry business, n'eh??

I don't give a rats ass if it produced billions of dollars in revenue. You worked in the jewelry business. Just because my grandfather made 20 million in the coal industry in the 50's and 60's doesn't mean he wasn't a coal miner!

As my buddy from Pittsburgh always says, "if you're a pirate, say you're a pirate!"

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written by AES, 2007-09-03 14:19:55
If there is no truth to it Bo then why does it evoke any response at all from you? If you are interested in clarifying my misperception of your continual cholar at 'f**king Jews' this and 'f**king cabalic bankerJews this' then why dont you do that? And by the way imbecile is a noun, imbecilic is an adjective.

It doesn't evoke response from me in the U.S. Jaime, but it does here in lawless brazil. Because they Jews here charge you tax to breathe and they get away with it. They castrated Banco Central, yet didn't circumsize. Brazil....Jurors amen? Jurors alem!

Safra is a Jewish bank but it is a very small investment bank in Sau Paulo. It is the only such bank. You have your head up your ass. If you dont like the banking system here then get a line of credit from the U.S. There are no Jews in the government in Brazil. The interest rates were established by Fernando Henrique. 'They castrated Banco Central' doesn't make any sense. You make no sense. The economic corruption that is endemic here is sponsored by a different church. The problems you suffer in your inability to get economic justice are of your making, you arrive in media res, expecting immediate change, things are changing. . .Look at Bovespa, exports, decreasing interest rates, reduced inflation, balance of payments, the billions of dollars in reserves. Charge more money if you are concerned about your margin of profit, but dont blame the 'f**king Jews of the world' for your f**king problems.

What the f**k would you call a place that charges 12% interest a MONTH when the country has a MAXIMUM amount of monthly interest of 1% per month??
A Brazilian bank.

Charge more money if you are concerned about your margin of profit, but dont blame the 'f**king Jews of the world' for your f**king problems.

I don't have problems Jaime. The jews here in brazil create problems. Just because there aren't jews in the brazilian gov't., which by the way there are (who the f**k do you think was the brazilian president of Pan Am games two months ago?), doesn't mean they don't control this country! They control it financially. Worlds highest interest rate....world's highest spread! Who do you think is controlling it?? Get a clue! Jews in Brazil aren't named Friedman, Cohen, or Levy. They're Lopes, Gomma and Rodrigues!!

'They castrated Banco Central' doesn't make any sense.

It doesn't?? Think about it man! The federal government branch that ensures federal fiscal policy is adhered to and they not only allow, but are hand-in-hand with federal banks that are breaking federal law?

If that isn't castrated I don't know wtf is!

They control it financially. Worlds highest interest rate....world's highest spread something foisted from Ch.c. The interest rate was established by whom? Certainly not the Jews certainly not the president of the Pan Am Games (that's not really the government is it?). It was the government, the legislature. If your theory is to believed the Jews are in control of the majority of the Brazilian legislature. It was my understanding that the land barons of Brazil the 5% of the people that own 90% of its wealth controlled the legislature and by consequence the legislation. Give some statistics, facts to support this conspiracy theory of yours that the Jews control Brazil. Dont just say everybody knows the Jews control the world. s**t anybody can say anyting, the Earth is in the center of the universe everybody knows it. The world is flat, everybody knows it. What do the Jews have to do with the Federal Bank of Brazil. Please present some facts. Without facts, verifiable data you give the appearance of ranting.

and the jews don't control world banking, nor 90% of the american media!


Prove it!

. JEWISH PROMINENCE AND SUCCESS IN THE LANDS OF THE DIASPORA

No one can deny that Jews in the United States and in many other nations recently have achieved surprising levels of prosperity and influence but any talk of Jewish “dominance” or “control” in those societies remains the province of neo-Nazi propagandists. There is no significant industry or arena of endeavor – no, not one--in any nation in the world (outside of Israel) in which Jews outnumber or rule over non-Jews. Even the famous Jewish command of Hollywood is an ignorant myth concerning an increasingly international industry in which the prominence of influential Jews has actually decreased in the last seventy years. Most of the pioneering movie studios founded and owned by immigrant Jewish families have either gone out of the movie production business altogether (M-G-M) or else sold out to strikingly non-Jewish corporations (Columbia to the Japanese Sony Corporation, and 20th Century Fox to an Australian descendant of Presbyterian clergy, Rupert Murdoch). The two largest entertainment conglomerates in the world boast board chairmen who are African-American (Richard Parsons at Time Warner) and Arab American (George Mitchell at Disney) neither of whom are remotely Jewish. The yearly lists of Hollywood’s most influential power players, as identified by Premiere Magazine and other sources, regularly show that close to one-fourth of the movers-and-shakers are Jews—a disproportionate showing, to be sure, but hardly an indication of Jewish dominance. Similarly, the Fortune 500 list of the nation’s largest corporations features a top ten ranking that includes three oil companies with strong Arab ties and no affection whatever for Israel, as well as a car company (Ford) founded by one of history’s most outspoken anti-Semites, and a retailer run by conservative Christians from Arkansas (Wal-Mart)—but not a single corporation that was founded, run, or owned by Jews. Among the top 100, at most six (including Home Depot, Goldman Sachs and Lehman Brothers) could classify in any way as “Jewish companies.” With these incontrovertible facts easy to verify for anyone with access to the internet or a library, it becomes even more difficult to explain the persistent, pernicious and utterly false belief that Jews “own” or “control” most of the world’s banks, newspapers, media companies and other important instiutions. Part of the confusion involves appalling lies and misinformation: many callers to my radio show somehow believe that the Rockefellers are Jewish (they were actually German Christians who arrived in Philadelphia in 1723) or that the Rothschild family—a favorite target of anti-Semites for more than 200 years-- still dominates world banking (the family’s power actually peaked in the Napoleonic era and their influence on the global economy today is either invisible or non-existent).

There is also a tendency on the part of paranoid anti-Semites to search out a few Jewish names even in areas in which Jews play minor roles in order to triumphantly affirm the myth of “Jewish control.” Consider the case of the Bush administration and the frequent, laughably absurd charge that it’s somehow dominated by Jewish “neo-conservatives” who forced the President to make war on Iraq for the sake of Israel. In truth, Jews remained conspicuously absent from positions of authority during the first Bush term: for the first time in more than 65 years (since the Presidency of FDR!) the President’s Cabinet (15 department heads in all) included not a single Jew. The true believers in a Neo-Con cabal invariably cite just two names who held sub-cabinet posts (Paul Wolfowitz, Deputy Secretary of Defense and Douglas Feith, Under Secretary of Defense for Policy) and a single civilian advisor to the Defense Department (Richard Perle, of the Defense Policy Board) who doesn’t even count as an administration employee. The anti-Semites focus on these names not because of their importance (anyone who believes that Wolfowitz and Feith secretly controlled their imperious, tough-as-nails boss, Don Rumsfeld, knows nothing about Rummy) but because they happen to be Jewish. Similarly, conspiracists like to blame Jews in the Senate for pushing us into war with Iraq, while ignoring the fact that a bare majority of the eleven Jewish Senators at the time (including such fierce anti-war advocates as Russ Feingold and Barbara Boxer) actually voted against the resolution authorizing war –at a time when nearly 80% of their gentile colleagues lined up on the other side to support the President in deposing Saddam Hussein

"At least three quarters of Brazil's Jews live in São Paulo and Rio de Janeiro; most others live in cities, as well. But things were not always that way. Brazil's Jews began outside of the sort of urban centers were tend to associate with Jews. The settlers were hardy and adventurous and willing to take risks and overcome dangers. And fortunately for us, we can see evidence of their communities today."


"There are no indications that the state has either supported or actively fostered antisemitism since then, and Jews have been present in the social, political, economic and military life of Brazil. When Vargas was re-elected president in 1950, he chose Horacio Lafer, a prominent member of the Jewish community, as his finance minister. Lafer was instrumental in arranging the immigration of about 10,000 Sephardi and oriental Jews from Egypt, Turkey and Lebanon after the Suez crisis of 1956." http://www.axt.org.uk/antisem/.../index.htm

Your comment shows how little you know about Brazil: There are no Jews in the government in Brazil. REALLY???

FROM OUR EMBASSADOR DANILOVICH: http://brasilia.usembassy.gov/...temmenu=10


There are prominent Jewish politicians, intellectuals, architects, physicians, scientists, lawyers, journalists, artists and businesspeople in the country. Jews are well integrated and highly respected. They are vocal and visible, playing an important role in the social, cultural and economic life of Brazil. Shortly after I arrived in Brasilia in July to take up my duties as the U.S. Ambassador, my wife and I traveled to Recife to visit the recently refurbishes synagogue, and I learned about a group of community leaders from Recife in Pernambuco State who had traveled to New York for the festivities surrounding the 350th anniversary of the journey of those 23 Jewish wanderers who went north to build a better life for themselves.

Sometimes, we just don't know who is in the driver seat..we may pass through a period without electing a Jewish politician, but I am sure they are behind the scenes advising senators and the like. Lobbying happens not only in America, but also in Brazil...

"Local branches of Israeli political parties, once the basis of Jewish politics, now constitute a declining presence in community activities. A trend can be seen to depoliticize public and social affairs and transform them into "technical" problems. Local politics is a central function of the Jewish Federation, which aims to represent and coordinate the Jews of Sao Paulo and the organizations affiliated with it. Countrywide Jewish politics is considered the main function of the National Confederation (CONIB), whose headquarters are also located in Sao Paulo. B'nai B'rith and the Zionist Organization also have traditional roles in this sector. There are a few Jewish politicians active in the city, state and federal arenas. While they do not represent the same parties, they do work together on Jewish issues. There is room and need for more such representatives. There are also some non-Jewish politicians who have a tradition of friendly relations with the community."



http://www.jcpa.org/jl/jl124.htm

Just one that comes off my mind : Fernando Collor de Mello...

The govenor of Bahia is a Jew, but please tell who else in high government position currently is? No I do not profess to know a great deal about Brazil. This site provides me with an understanding of some of the infinitude of what I dont know about Brazil.

I did not say we currently have a Jew in high government position right now, we may have, but I just will check with my dad in Brazil... as I said, "sometimes , we just don't know who is in the driver seat..we may pass through a period without electing a Jewish politician, but I am sure they are behind the scenes advising senators and the like. Lobbying happens not only in America, but also in Brazil..."


you said this" There are no Jews in the government in Brazil . Sounds like you were exaggerating just bit...

Let's just focus on the community work done by all religions. We all have a chance to help others and the Jewish community has done A LOT for the poor in Brazil.

Just one that comes off my mind : Fernando Collor de Mello...

You are wise beyond your tender age! I dont think taht either Bo or AES knows about this fella. Um verdadeiro Caçador dos Marajas. Remember this piss ant?

The name of Brazil´s newly elected Luís Inácio Lula da Silva has been enough to produce itches in the vast majority of local Jewish community during the last 20 years, mainly for the traditional links between Lula´s leftist Workers Party (WP) and the PLO. But a screen on his Cabinet, named last December, shows two Jews – Jacques Wagner (Labour) and Italian born Guido Mantega (Planning), apart of President spokesman, André Singer. Much more important, there are clear signs of mutual simpathy between the community and its leadership, and the new government.
“There was an important meeting between Lula and 60 Jewish leaders shortly before November elections, when the now President expressed his admiration to Israel and to our community in Brazil”, says Jayme Blay, President of São Paulo Jewish Federation (Fisesp), the most important in the country.
In spite of a long tradition of Jewish leftism in Brazil (see box) that drove many activists to the WP – or PT, for Partido dos Trabalhadores, in Portuguese –, the overwhelming
majority of Brazilian 120.000/150.000 strong community had identified itself with former President Fernando Henrique Cardoso and his centrist Social Democratic Party (PSDB). During his eight years of government, Cardoso had several Jewish aides, including Foreign Affairs minister Celso Lafer. Cardoso (who has Jewish family ties) and his PSDB also kept strong links with Jewish business circles.

As a natural consequence, Cardoso´s candidate against Lula, José Serra, was supported by most of Brazilian Jews, including community leadership and rabbi Henry Sobel who is a very popular character for his commitment to human rights.
But Lula´s skills to sew a broad political alliance and set up a new productive economic cycle, reducing Brazilian dependence toward international finance had seduced a good bunch of Jewish businessmen and professionals. Leading industrialists Ivo Rosset (textiles) and Eugenio Staub (electroelectronics) had openly left José Serra´s campaing for Lula, who also received a more discret support of steel magnate Benjamin Steinbruch. “Yes, I voted for Lula, since the last government drove our economy to a stalemate”, explains oil tycoon German Efromovich, owner of the Maritima Petroleum group. “We hope that the new government could promote changes for the best; otherwise, we´re sure that any change will be done inside democratic frames”, agrees Gerson Keila, chairman of the powerful Brazilian Franchising Association (ABF), who represents US$ 8 billions/year in business.

Even the traditional links between the PT and the PLO don´t seem to haunt Jewish leadership in Brazil. “Lula has clearly stressed his commitment both to a Palestinian State and to the safety of Israel”, grants Fisesp´s Jayme Blay. “There´re no expectations of a major change in Brazil´s international policy”, adds Claudio Camargo, Foreign Affairs analyst at IstoÉ weekly magazine. “The new government will try to increase dramatically the country´s exports, what could lead to new initiatives toward Arab markets. Lula should also oppose an international military operation against Irak. But his major efforts, in the international arena, will be consumed by complicate negociations to revigorate the Mercosul (the common market linking Brazil, Argentina, Paraguay and Uruguay) and to reduce US influence in a future Free Trade Area for the Americas (FTAA)”, finishes Camargo.A long track

The honeymoon that Lula da Silva and the Jewish community are now enjoying has been prepared by a long flirt, since the very birth of the WP in 1979, melting new rank-and-file tradeunionists, former extreme left organizations and the catholic gauche. The party´s central slogan during its first electoral campaign, in 1982 (when Lula runned – and was defeated – for the São Paulo State government), was a reddish “workers shall vote for workers”, challenging the reformism of the old Communist Party.
Some leaders of the Palestinian community, openly identified with the PLO, had then runned under the Partido dos Trabalhadores banner. But several jews were among the first representatives elected by the party, including now minister Jacques Wagner (a petrochemical tradeunionist), Carlos Minc (former guerrilla fighter converted to environmentalism) and Clara Ant, a trotskyite leader.

Yes, there were some frictions between the WP and Jewish community along the last two decades. Ms. Luiza Erundina, then mayor of São Paulo, has caused tensions in the kehilá in 1989, when she named a square after State of Palestine. Incidentally, Yasser Arafat hadn´t already formally declared the independence of his State. When she saw the gaffe, Erundina called Jewish aides asking for names of Zionist leaders, to baptyze other areas of the city. One of the founders of the Workers Party, former representative Ayrton Soares, acted as a lawyer for Lamia Maruf Hassan, a Brazilian girl that was enjailed in Israel for taking part in the killing of a soldier. Soares had then splitted with the WP, but Lula and his entourage defended Lamia´s liberation also criticizing terrorism.
While gaining force in every election and reaching new government responsabilites in local and State governments, Lula da Silva and the majority factions of the WP have been approaching to social democrat international giants – like the socialists in France and the German SDP – then enlarging the gap toward revolutionary organizations. Representatives of Israeli Labour and Meretz started to pop up in party congresses, dividing space with PLO old friends. The own Lula da Silva has visited Israel, following an invitation by Labour leaders. Former labour prime minister Shimon Peres was one of the forefront international politicians in Lula´s possession ceremony.
A group of selected matchmakers has played a very important role for this long engagement between Lula/PT and Brazilian Jewish community. Among them were former trotskyite leader Clara Ant, nowadays one of Lula´s closest informal aides; Israeli born businessman Oded Grajew, who is very active in social initiatives and works as a major WP´s fundraiser; and Argentinian born Felipe Warmus. Known by his “war name”, Luís Favre, this shadowy former trotskyite leader, who has close connections with French socialists, spreads jealousy over WP´s leaders for the influence he gained after marrying one of the party´s top stars: the mayor of São Paulo, Martha Suplicy.

If Jewish community is in growingly good terms with President Lula da Silva and his majoritary faction in the Partido dos Trabalhadores, the same cannot be said of the fringe far left groups inside the party. The WP is one of the stars of the Porto Alegre Forum, a broad coalition of antiglobalization groups, set up to counterbalance the Davos Forum high finance yearly meeting. The Porto Alegre Forum was named after a WP stronghold in Southern Brazil, that shall host over 100.000 leftist militants next January for its yearly meeting. Terms like Israel and Zionism are some of the favourite blanks for those rank and file militants. “Extremist factions, I imagine, will not play a decisive role in the new government” evaluates economic analist André Friedheim. “Radical voices have been put apart of the decision inside of the party, which is showing an enormous common sense”, adds Fisesp´s president Jayme Blay.
Wishfull thinking or not, the fact is that monthly magazine Caros Amigos, that usually voices the Forum de Porto Alegre visions, has recently published an article written by a pro-Palestinian activist, melting criticism to Israeli government with open racial offenses. The article says, for instance, that Israel was created by the Nazis and that Zionists were close collaborators to Hitler. The magazine has refused to publish the rainfall of critics received nor apologized to its readers, what motivated Human Rights organizations to take legal actions. Many of those protests against Caros Amigos came from non-Jewish and Jewish activists of the Lula da Silva´s Workers Party. Pure zeitgeist, spirit of the times.


Die roitn: a tradition
Simpathy towards Communism and the Soviet Union was majoritary among Ashkenazim Jews in Brazil until the 1950s. The Jewish Section of the pro-USSR Communist Party was even larger than the Workers Section in São Paulo and Rio de Janeiro, the country´s largest cities during the 30s. There were two Jews in the CP 8 strong São Paulo City Councilmen elected in 1946, including Elisa Kauffmann, one of the first women elected for this post in the country.
The birth of Israel and the anti-semite campaigns led by Soviet strongman Josef Stalin had splitted the Jewish community – even institutions, like schools and clubs – between roitn (reds) and sionistn (zionists). Although the economic progress of the vast majority of Brazilian Jews had pulled them to the center-right, leftist parties had always had many Jewich activists. Last CP general secretary, for instance, was Salomão Malina, a veteran of the Brazilian forces which fought Nazis in Italy, during the 2nd World War.
Several Jews had died fighting the military dictatorship (1964-1984), including Maurício Grabois, one of the commanders of the Maoist guerrilla warfare in the Araguaia (Northern Brazil), in the 70s, and Yara Yavelberg, wife of Carlos Lamarca, leader of urban guerrilla forces. Chael Charles Schreier, then a Medical student in his early twenties and a guerrilla sympathiser, died during brutal torture.
The upsurge of a new wave of students and trade union protests, in the end of the 70s, with Lula as the big star, also produced a new layer of Jewish activists, mainly of Trotskyite origin. Those roitn kinder and Jewish survivors of the antidictatorship fight – like historian and former guerrilla ideologue Jacob Gorender – were among the founders of the Workers Party.

http://www.clubemundo.com.br/revistapangea/show_news.asp?n=177&ed=2

The govenor of Bahia is a Jew, but please tell who else in high government position currently is?

Unger

There again, AES, these people are not secular like you and me

I am being honest on my comment, I hope this helps you and everyone interested on this issue

FYI, the article is from 2003, BUT it does prove a point: "sometimes , we just don't know who is in the driver seat..we may pass through a period without electing a Jewish politician, but I am sure they are behind the scenes advising senators and the like. Lobbying happens not only in America, but also in Brazil..."

and rabbi Henry Sobel who is a very popular character for his commitment to human rights.

He is very popular indeed,when he is stealing Ties in Florida and distributing them freely among the Favelados in SP.In his heart, ole Henry believes that all the humans have the rights to wear stolen ties

Joao, Is Guido Mantega our finance minister?

Joao, Is Guido Mantega our finance minister?

Of course, dear. Remember, he replaced Palocci (?). Guido Butter is an Italian,but natuaralized Brazilian citizen.Just like Ibrahim Eris (remember him?)

Guido Butter, you are hilarious!!! He is very popular indeed,when he is stealing Ties in Florida and distributing them freely among the Favelados in SP.In his heart, ole Henry believes that all the humans have the rights to wear stolen ties smilies/grin.gif

Maybe the next headline in Brazil will be: "Stolen tie, ties the rich and the poor in increasing public display of affection"

There is much to digest in what you have posted. Thank you. Shelly perhaps you could tell me how Bo arrived at the conclusion that the banking system of Brazil is owned and operated by the Jews or the 'f**king Jews' as he is fond of saying? How is it/was it that Jews arrived, ostensibly, to such pre-eminent power? Now no doubt there are some that are deeply involved in the banking industry in Brazil, but Bo postulates that they run, control and dictate the policies of the Federal Bank of Brazil and indeed all economic and financial policy in Brazil, including interest rates and banking corruption. Reason dictates that this is not true. Now Bo is obviously intelligent, so, upon what factual evidence could he base this upon?

but Bo postulates that they run, control and dictate the policies of the Federal Bank of Brazil

No, they don't control and dictate policy. They simply don't adhere to it. And they've castrated Banco Central into an limp, impotent entity that would never dare "cumprir" the law against the almight banks, here in Brazil, which are controlled by whom globally?

Sobel has simply mistaken ties with tithes. It is a small faut pas. While in Florida he was asking for tithes and because of his basicly unintelligable speech, infused with the rhythms of his second language Portuguese, he was mistakenly directed to the ties. Thinking that they wanted him to take a few, he did.

“There was an important meeting between Lula and 60 Jewish leaders shortly before November elections, when the now President expressed his admiration to Israel and to our community in Brazil”

AES, I bet you he doesn't even know where Israel is...capital and personal interest dictates how business is done in Brazil (all over the world), but here corruption has metastasized and spread to every single level of government branch in Brazil.

Reason dictates that this is not true.

It is a hard fact to swallow. When talking about Brazilian politics (politicians), REASON is something totally left out of the equation. If REASON was taken seriously in Brazil, we would not be a developing country. The age of Enlightenment has yet to arrive in Terra brasilis. Do I have hope that I would see transparency from Brazilian politicians? Nay.

Word definition from Merriam-Webster
politician
One entry found for politician.
Main Entry: pol·i·ti·cian
Pronunciation: "pä-l&-'ti-sh&n
Function: noun
1 : a person experienced in the art or science of government; especially : one actively engaged in conducting the business of a government
2 a : a person engaged in party politics as a profession b : a person primarily interested in political office for selfish or other narrow usually short-sighted reasons

In Brazil the former is an endangered specie, the latter an invasive specie.

Jaime asked for facts...and I would say you gave him much more than he bargained for! For someone to state that in a country like Brazil, dependant on foreign infusions of cash, economic legislation that is simply not enforced, the worlds highest interest rates, and also the highest spreads, bar no country on the planet, no one even comes close actually, that they aren't having GREAT influence over policy, is simply being obtuse.

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written by AES, 2007-09-03 18:23:35
They control it financially. Worlds highest interest rate....world's highest spread something foisted from Ch.c. The interest rate was established by whom? Certainly not the Jews certainly not the president of the Pan Am Games (that's not really the government is it?). It was the government, the legislature. If your theory is to believed the Jews are in control of the majority of the Brazilian legislature. It was my understanding that the land barons of Brazil the 5% of the people that own 90% of its wealth controlled the legislature and by consequence the legislation. Give some statistics, facts to support this conspiracy theory of yours that the Jews control Brazil. Dont just say everybody knows the Jews control the world. s**t anybody can say anyting, the Earth is in the center of the universe everybody knows it. The world is flat, everybody knows it. What do the Jews have to do with the Federal Bank of Brazil. Please present some facts. Without facts, verifiable data you give the appearance of ranting.

LOL....who's ranting here?


As Shelly has also stated, I'm certainly not an anti-semite. Much to the contrary, I have a lot of respect for Jewish people. They're extremely intelligent. Just because I said, "f**king" and then then the word "jew" doesn't mean anything. I say f**king irish, german, methodist, catholic, atheist, etc, all the time. I understand it may appear very crude to you, being the english literist and all, but that's just the way it is. After all this time reading my posts here, I would think you would've been accustomed to it. But obviously, "f**king jew" hit a nerve.

The $64 question is, I wonder if you're jewish?






"Not that there's anything wrong with that."

Some of your best friends are Jews. You are a stupid f**k Bo. Really a f**king ignorant closet racist. Now I dont give a f**k because I dont have to live your miserable life. But you really are a dumb mother f**ker. You do not know the relationship between what comes out of your mouth and its effect. Your failed personal life for example. Perhaps you inadvertantly called your ex wife a f**king cunt one day while you were merely being your self. You are a f**king Philistine. Dont mind me I'm in the Jewelry business and this is just how we talk about the stupid f**king self aggrandizing a*****es in the world that think they know f**king anything. Its only language Bo you f**king racist shagitz. But seriously Bo some of my best friends are gentiles. Not that there's anything wrong with that. After all it is only language , merely sounds. But that is how the holocaust began. First came the words then the camps. But you would be the first to dismiss it, to deny it. Its your nature. You always do it. You have always done it.

That was great AES. Made you feel better didn't it?? Now try doing that with your finger in your cú!


And yes, not only was it guys like me that started the holocaust, but it actually was ME!!


Gotta love it. Some Jews always scream holocaust, which I'm not diminishing it nor the fact that it happened, but its just like the blacks that always cry racism. Get the f**k over it!

And, if you read your last statement carefully, wow, what assumptions....lol. Failed personal life?? My personal life is fantastic buddy. The most gorgeous 24 year old Baiana with the most incredible body you've ever seen. Five year old daughter that is one of the most beautiful and kind-hearted humans I've ever had the pleasure of knowing, and not just saying that because she's mine. Just moved into a beachfront mansion straight across the street from one of the best beach bars in all of Brazil. Will be travelling to the U.S. this Sunday, first class, will see at least 3 Mountaineer games all across the eastern seaboard with family and friends, everyone drinking, eating, and having a good time. My life is good my brother. At the moment, I wouldn't change a mutherf**king thing.....not one! But thanks for your concern.

Common guys! What the hell! Listen, I just dropped my two little ones for the first time in school (man, I was heartbroken). While waiting for them to go in, I had the privilege to observe children from all races and religious background, interact with each other in a respectful and loving manner. In a child's mind, everything is so simple, they see the world, people from all walks of life and don't develop an opinion about their character, everyone is a friend.
I am not perfect, but AES you called me self-hating Jew, just because I think they do control the finances in a lot of countries, and have done so for thousands of years. Brazil has elected more Jewish presidents and descendants than any other country in South America. That is a fact, just google it and you will see. I gave you one example, Fernando Collor de Melo, a little research on what he and others did with the finance in Brazil, should set the record straight. Fernando Henrique Cardoso, also from a Jewish background. Jucelino Kubitscheck...and the list goes on. Lula right before election day got together with 60 Jewish representatives. 60 people doesn't seem much to you, but they have a strong foothold on Brazilian economics and politics and may decide how the game goes for EVERYONE. It is 60 representing owners of petrochemical companies, food, news broadcast etc.. Bo has touched on something that you have failed to understand, in Brazil we have laws, tough ones, but they aren't followed. Our "jeitinho" IS our nemesis, actually coming to think of it we have more. Take a look at what happened from 1990 until 1992, how would you feel if you were left with $50 dollars in your bank account, ALL OF A SUDDEN? Maybe you will understand...

Now, back to my kids. I hope they can learn how to be tolerant towards others, and not make the mistakes I have made in life. Mistakes are a fundamental necessity to human evolution, adaptation and growth. BUT, mistakes against race, culture, religion and sex aren't necessary. Wars have been fought, consequentially people have died. Everyday the numbers keep going up, let's not forget that...

You all have a good day.

I know you have a daughter and your devotion to her. Have a safe trip.

Ben S. Bernanke head of the Federal Reserve and Alan Greenspan his predecessor are both noted Jewish bankers of the largest economy in the world.

And there ya go, point taken and proven! Out of 300,000,000 people in the U.S., where the jewish population is less than 2.5%, does it seem more than coincidental that the last two heads of the U.S. Federal Reserve are jewish? Once again, don't get me wrong, they are/were there because they're competent, extremely so! You have to hand it to the americans on one thing. They recognize talent, and utilize it to the fullest. The $64 question is, quem mandar quem?

Dam, I will use word from now on... Anyway, Bo your house sounds lovely, I love acaraje, moqueca de peixe, quindao, sarapatel...hummm yummy!

Creio que não se pode negar a ingerência judaica sobre a economia do mundo. Tal fato tem sua justificativa no fato de que sim, a maior economia do mundo sofre forte influência - e goza do benefício - das fortunas judaicas. Observe-se a tradição de nomear um judeu após o outro para o Fed, banco central americano que sim, manda no nosso bolso. Mas no Brasil? Conheço gerações de judeus no Brasil, mas da ascendência judaica de tantos presidentes e politicos proeminentes, sinceramente, NUNCA ouvi falar. Nenhum dos grandes bancos brasileiros, com exceção do pequeno Safra, dedicado a investimentos, é gerido por judeus. Collor de Melo judeu? Fernando Henrique? Nunca ouvi falar. Podem ser, quem sabe, descendentes de décima, vigésima geração, ou ainda mais distantes, de marranos fugidos da inquisição, como todos os pereiras e carvalhos alegam ser quando assim lhes convêm. Juscelino Kubistchek, apesar do sobrenome estrangeiro e da esposa Sara? Nunca ouvi falar, nem mesmo em Minas, onde Dona Sara costumava se vestir na loja de meu avô sob o olhar de sua xará, Dona Sara, minha avó, esta sim, judia de todas as gerações. Quem sabe se as finanças do Brasil fossem gerenciadas pelos judeus estaríamos em melhor situação, afinal são especialistas no assunto, não? E não vejo motivos para nos envergonharmos disso. Não sinto particularmente no Brasil preconceito contra judeus ou algum tipo especial de intolerância, graças a Deus. Mas um tipo de comentário como o seu, chegado a segundas intenções, não tem realmente cabimento nenhum. Aproveito para convocar todos os importantes ex-presidentes judeus do Brasil e suas famílias para purgar seus pecados com um belo jejum público no próximo Yom Kipur. Serão honrados, e como todo bom judeu, perdoados de suas iniquidades.

Jeudeu?? My ass!! Eles não deu nada para niguem!! É jeutomar!!!

Hey João, what other place could you hear an american telling a joke in portuguese "torto"?
That's why I keep on coming! Impagável!!!!! Thanks Bo!!

About the names of the jews in Brasil, at least here in the south (Bairro Bomfim, Porto Alegre),
they have german and polish jew names, like Goldstein, Teitelbaum, Rovinski, etc (the german ones ends with "stein" or "baum")
Of course there were the Sefaradi (don't know how to spell) from Portugal, The "New Christians",
that received tree names in Portugal, when they "became" Christians. Names like Oliveira, Pereira, Figueira, Nogueira,etc.

And by the way, I didn't know that Collor was of jewish descendant. I thought his grandfather
was Lindolfo Collor, a half german, half "pelo duro"gaúcho from the beggining
of the german colonization in RS, about 150 years ago. Enlighten me on this, please.

Ben S. Bernanke head of the Federal Reserve and Alan Greenspan his predecessor are both noted Jewish bankers of the largest economy in the world.

It is meant to be sardonic.

http://gowheresp.terra.com.br/...rtunas.htm

http://pt.wikipedia.org/wiki/Edmond_Safra

this two links might bring some light on the discussion of who "owns" the money in Brasil.

http://pt.wikipedia.org/wiki/C..._do_Brasil

this one is even better

and sorry about wiki. just had lunch and I'm "jiboiando" .

And by the way, I didn't know that Collor was of jewish descendant. I thought his grandfather
was Lindolfo Collor, a half german, half "pelo duro"gaúcho from the beggining
of the german colonization in RS, about 150 years ago. Enlighten me on this, please.

Hi Magnus, according to what I read about him during his campaign for the office of the President, the original LAST name of Lindolfo Collar was "Kohler" which is supposed to be a popular Jewish German last name.This was modified to "Collor" in Portuguese.Of course Lindolfo had roots in RS,but the family went all over Brasil including to Alagoas. Though Fernando is a Carioca by birth, he made his political carrier in Alagoas.

We have to remember that in Brasil did receive lots of immigrants from the Middle east also,including Syrians and Lebanese with financial and academic skill. Many converted into catholicism and several changed their last names.

I would like to make it very clear that my comment regarding Collor was nothing to do with the religious origin of his ancestors. I appreciate all the religions. When Shelly mentioned about him, I couldnt help remembering that his bloody "Plano" a) Destroyed the credibility the Brasilians had in "Caderneta de Poupança b) Bankrupted many old people who had put their meager savings in this savings account. My late father-in-law was one of them!

Thanks for the link about the Brazilian Billionaires. One of them is Antonio Ermirio who became a billionaire by building an INDUSTRIAL empire. I dont know if you were old enough, when he a)made a remark in the Eighties that Brasilian economy is like a Casino b) stood for the elections for the Governor of SP and LOST. He is a smart guy, but the Brasilians would never ever elect him for any post.That was the reason, why he gave up politics!

Anyway, it was good to hear from you.

Yes, he is a Carioca by birth, his dad's name: Aron... anyway---- here is some interesting facts about the De Melo family name...

My dad was lucky enough to "smell a rat" and took all of his savings and cash from his bank accounts...some people commited suicide.

www.dispatchesfromthevanishingworld.com/dispatch34/d34_2.html

just use google or metasearch...it works wonders...

Serão honrados, e como todo bom judeu, perdoados de suas iniquidades.

Espero que O Henry Sobel vai conduzir a missa no próximo Yom Kippur

Yes, he is a Carioca by birth, his dad's name: Aron...

A correction: His father was ARNON.

some people commited suicide.

You are right and I did not want to bring out this macabre detail. It is quite amazing how we forget the history so easily. Fernando was kept in the ice for 10 years and then was elected as a Senator from one party and a few weeks after the election, changed the party. He is now a ally of Lula. His Minister of Economy, Zelia who lived in NYC for all these years is back to "build" the nation. I am sure that with all these geniuses, the nation is going to be elevated to the category of First World,before 2010

"Plano" a) Destroyed the credibility the Brasilians had in "Caderneta de Poupança b) Bankrupted many old people who had put their meager savings in this savings account. My late father-in-law was one of them!

And c) Destroyed his family name and ashamed gaúchos. There are schools, streets and squares here called Lindolfo Collor!
He's a crook and still a crook. Did you see that he stepped away so he didn't have to vote against Renan Calheiros?

He's a crook and still a crook. Did you see that he stepped away so he didn't have to vote against Renan Calheiros?

Lad, you have a good memory too. That SOB took 3 months of "Licença" from the senate. I forgot to mention about it and thanks for reminding me.Another thing, his first father-in-law had 15% of the shares in Volkswagen? He married Roseanne, divorced and nobody knows whom he is married to now. I think he marries only moneyed women

Thanks, my friend. Anyway, I was still young, but what he did to Brazil has left deep scars on my memory. I will never trust Brazilian presidents or Brazilian banks with my money. I just remember my dad wondering and asking us what he should do. I just said "go with your guts", so he proceeded to take money out and keep it in the house...I remember her, is she still in jail?

I just returned from the Amazon, Manus..and trust me. There is no chance of Brazil making it to the "First World" by 2010.

I remember her, is she still in jail?

Zelia? Never went to jail. She got together with Chico Anysio ,made a couple of kids.Lived in NYC and got a job with an Indian Investment Bank. I read somewhere that this firm wants to invest in building Sea Ports in Brazil.

As for your dad,pulling his money out, he made the wise decision. Fortunately, he was not a victim of bulls**tters!

Deu nos jornais de Alagoas: a ex-primeira-dama Rosanne Collor, que hoje assina o sobrenome de solteira, Malta, e se tornou evangélica desde que se separou do ex-presidente Fernando Collor, vai mesmo se candidatar nas eleições de 2008 pelo PRB. Só não sabe ainda se irá disp**ar a prefeitura de Maceió ou de Canapi, sua terra natal.

Do you mind telling me if you were able to check on the deforestation issues?

http://giselefaganellolahoz.co...ina=social 07Agosto16

I just returned from the Amazon, Manus..and trust me. There is no chance of Brazil making it to the "First World" by 2010.

Hi, I thought you were supposed to stay for a week in the Amazon.Just 4 days? What happened? Share with us your experience there. It has been a long time since I went there,if you recall my telling you. I suppose you didnt even visit your sogra in Rio.

Look forward to your complete report!

I also agree, there is no way on earth, on our solar system, on our galaxy that Brazil will be a first world country by 2010.

Creio que não se pode negar a ingerência judaica sobre a economia do mundo. Tal fato tem sua justificativa no fato de que sim, a maior economia do mundo sofre forte influência - e goza do benefício - das fortunas judaicas. Observe-se a tradição de nomear um judeu após o outro para o Fed, banco central americano que sim, manda no nosso bolso. Mas no Brasil? Conheço gerações de judeus no Brasil, mas da ascendência judaica de tantos presidentes e politicos proeminentes, sinceramente, NUNCA ouvi falar.
Nenhum dos grandes bancos brasileiros, com exceção do pequeno Safra, dedicado a investimentos, é gerido por judeus. Collor de Melo judeu? Fernando Henrique? Nunca ouvi falar. Podem ser, quem sabe, descendentes de décima, vigésima geração, ou ainda mais distantes, de marranos fugidos da inquisição, como todos os pereiras e carvalhos alegam ser quando assim lhes convêm. Juscelino Kubistchek, apesar do sobrenome estrangeiro e da esposa Sara? Nunca ouvi falar, nem mesmo em Minas, onde Dona Sara costumava se vestir na loja de meu avô sob o olhar de sua xará, Dona Sara, minha avó, esta sim, judia de todas as gerações. Quem sabe se as finanças do Brasil fossem gerenciadas pelos judeus estaríamos em melhor situação, afinal são especialistas no assunto, não? E não vejo motivos para nos envergonharmos disso. Não sinto particularmente no Brasil preconceito contra judeus ou algum tipo especial de intolerância, graças a Deus. Mas um tipo de comentário como o seu, chegado a segundas intenções, não tem realmente cabimento nenhum. Aproveito para convocar todos os importantes ex-presidentes judeus do Brasil e suas famílias para purgar seus pecados com um belo jejum público no próximo Yom Kipur. Serão honrados, e como todo bom judeu, perdoados de suas iniquidades.


Sara or SARAH, my dear friend was Abraham's wife...Names don't mean anything, I could be called Juselinamarina and still be Jewish.

"You are at a disadvantage,because ___ is Yiddish, Brazilian and bilingual!". I thought highly of those I've met - also thought they'd be much better to cozy up to should one be seeking business success v the pobre and to have somewhat of a venetion effect illusion of avoiding same as well as anyone muito rico until the pobre elect you should politics be your hankering. Spose' anyone knows who plays this game the best? What about the character set for the next round of elections here and yonder?

I could be called Juselinamarina

I think it is a very cute name,though your English hubby would have difficulty in pronouncing it,unless you have taught him to speak Portuguese with upper class Carioca accent

most people learn from there mistakes so far the brasilians have not done that

and wars are fought by men to afrade not to to fight

kids are expensive pets , they grow up learning more in the first 6 years than a school can teach them in the next 5 years
so shelly spend more time with them and not on the computer ,
or they will pick another mentor not you

and by the way cuba is nice this time of the year
we have more food on the boat than most stores have on the shelves
aftert here will go see people in mexico , belize and honduras if it is still there

Dear I use my PC when they are in school or right now--in bed! Thanks for worrying about my kids, I have raised them to be better than most kids and adults.

In a minute Forrest will say to me: "VA LAVA ROPA MI FIA"

written by Shelly, 2007-09-04 23:04:03
I also agree, there is no way on earth, on our solar system, on our galaxy that Brazil will be a first world country by 2010.

Nor by 2110....unfortunately.

written by GTY, 2007-09-04 22:46:32
I just returned from the Amazon, Manus..and trust me. There is no chance of Brazil making it to the "First World" by 2010.

I'll be in Manaus on Saturday. Flying directly over the Amazon on my way to Miami....ohh the comfort of "safe brazilian skies!"

All Brazilians in Maiceio, cuidado! SHE IS HEADING YOUR WAY...
written by Shelly, 2007-09-04 23:00:04
Deu nos jornais de Alagoas: a ex-primeira-dama Rosanne Collor, que hoje assina o sobrenome de solteira, Malta, e se tornou evangélica desde que se separou do ex-presidente Fernando Collor, vai mesmo se candidatar nas eleições de 2008 pelo PRB. Só não sabe ainda se irá disp**ar a prefeitura de Maceió ou de Canapi, sua terra natal.

Jesus...poor alagoanos, first Collar, now Renan, now Collar's ex. For the love of god, give them a rest. My neighbors are amongst the poorest of the poor here in Brazil, and you need to be careful where and how you tread in "terra deles". They are amongst the quickest in all of Brazil to pull a pistol and use it.

Cheater
written by Shelly, 2007-09-02 21:11:54
Your world knowledge is juvenile and based on Wikepedia, and you have proven to be a cheater and a liar...keep going professor of English literature...

Something's rotten in Denmark Shelley, no doubt about that. Ghost writers, ghost posters. Those with several personalities.

written by "Magnus Brasil", 2007-09-04 11:58:27

Jeudeu?? My ass!! Eles não deu nada para niguem!! É jeutomar!!!



Hey João, what other place could you hear an american telling a joke in portuguese "torto"?

No problem Magnus, glad I could be of service.

hey bo, since we are being politically incorrect, may I tell some jokes about blacks I heard from a black guy? It's in portuguese
and I bet you'll understand, and they are impossible to translate, especially with my s**t english skills.

and by the way cuba is nice this time of the year

Did ya pay a courtesy call on our Fearless Leader Fidel? How is his health?

I'll be in Manaus on Saturday. Flying directly over the Amazon on my way to Miami....

Just curious. Is there a direct flight from Aracaju to Manaus ?

Just curious. Is there a direct flight from Aracaju to Manaus ?

Nope.


Aracaju-Brasilia-Manaus-Miami-Charlotte-Pittsburgh


Long day huh?

..
written by "Magnus Brasil", 2007-09-05 10:03:18
hey bo, since we are being politically incorrect, may I tell some jokes about blacks I heard from a black guy? It's in portuguese
and I bet you'll understand, and they are impossible to translate, especially with my s**t english skills.

LMAO!!

Aracaju-Brasilia-Manaus-Miami-Charlotte-Pittsburgh


Long day huh?

Right. I guess you are taking a Domestic flight till Manaus where you will be boarding an International Carrier to MIA. A long day,indeed. Have a safe trip.

TAM until Miami.

What is LMAO?

LMAO=Laughing My Arse Off. I deliberately used the prim and proper English spelling "Arse". I believe the savage Americans spell it "Ass"

If any American friend of ours is reading my comment,dont come out with any argument about my spelling skill !

THANKS God, I know how to spell American,British and CHINESE English and I am proud of it

circumlocution - literally "talking" (locution) "arounnd" (circum)

If you google the following forms you will find them. Circum is a Latin preposition the use of which may be for stylistic emphasis, establishing classical authority;
as in discussions of logic. Locution is speech.

circum locution

circum-locution

From Meriam Webster

circumlocution

One entry found for circumlocution.
Main Entry: cir·cum·lo·cu·tion
Pronunciation: "s&r-k&m-lO-'kyü-sh&n
Function: noun
Etymology: Middle English circumlocucyon, from Latin circumlocution-, circumlocutio, from circum- locutio speech,
1 : the use of an unnecessarily large number of words to express an idea
2 : evasion in speech
- cir·cum·loc·u·to·ry /-'lä-ky&-"tor-E/ adjective

Circumlocotion is a compound word, derived from Latin CIRCUMLOCUTION. Circum= around, loqui= verb to speak, locotion is the action, talking. When in doubt about use this diccionary from Duke University.

http://www.nd.edu/~archives/latin.htm

circumlocution
cir-cum-lo-cu'-tion L. “talking around”
circumlocutio, circumitio
periphrasis (perifrasis)
the figure of ambage

As the name implies, "talking around" something, usually by supplying a descriptive phrase in place of a name (=periphrasis).
Circumlocutions are rhetorically useful as euphemisms, as a method of amplification, or to hint at something without stating it.
Examples
Laertes, urging Ophelia to keep clear of Hamlet, refers to her virginity metaphorically through a circumlocation:
...Or lose your heart, or your chaste treasure open
To his unmast'red importunity. —Shakespeare, Hamlet 1.3.31-32

http://humanities.byu.edu/rhetoric/Figures/C/circumlocution.htm

Circumlocution is "beating around the bush"...

You are right, ARSE is used in England...anyway, my husband likes to jokes about this when talking about football, he hates ARSEnal and supports Chelsea.

It is self evident that circumlocution is a compound word. Circum and locution are both words extant from your insistence that they must be conjoined. Having studied Latin for 4 years as the admission language to U.C.L.A. it is my prerogative as the writer to use them as a matter of texture and rhythm as I choose. I am not concerned with your approval of their usage.

By definition: circum locution is to speak in a circle. Where circumlocution means the use of unnecessarily wordy and indirect language or evasion in speech or writing.
or roundabout expression circum locution means to make speech that does not make the point that it sets out to, but rather arrives at the point from which it began.

I will go with Duke University and Meriam Webster, thanks !

forrest has passed through a nus of old muddy miss and will soon get off to sea men a far
eir a fore or aft whether tempest she blos
stocked well is he but for harvest what crops will stand in trade?

Have you taken your meds today? Stay away from sharp objects...

Why dont you try the OED.

http://www.etymonline.com/inde...umlocution

I am aware. I am not interested in the word circumlocution.

Gee! I came back to this site to check an article posted last year. And I saw this thread, and I saw your posts.
Like we say in Brazil, " Voce soltou a franga ne."
You made hasty generalization conclusion regarding the jewish people. But that's ok, this is internet, we write things that we wouldn't normally say in another circunstances or we would be more careful saying it. And based on the posts we exchanged in the past, I still think you are a nice person. Maybe you are just straightforward. Too straightforward, I should say.

Have a good one sir.

written by Adriana A, 2007-09-06 01:44:24
Gee! I came back to this site to check an article posted last year. And I saw this thread, and I saw your posts.
Like we say in Brazil, " Voce soltou a franga ne."
You made hasty generalization conclusion regarding the jewish people. But that's ok, this is internet, we write things that we wouldn't normally say in another circunstances or we would be more careful saying it. And based on the posts we exchanged in the past, I still think you are a nice person. Maybe you are just straightforward. Too straightforward, I should say.

Have a good one sir.

It is the internet isn't it?



Good to see you Adriana.....now go f**k yourself!

You know you're from Pittsburgh if...

"Hey Yunz Guyz" is your traditional greeting.

You know the time and location of every Wing Night in a 10 mile radius.

You know the location of the following towns, know someone from them and have spent time there: Monongahela, Altoona, Bethlehem, Ligonier, Harmony, and Wilmerding.

You've memorized lines from the movie "Flashdance".

If you're a guy, your biggest fear is seeing your best friend drive into the "fruit loop". You're second biggest fear is seeing him drive out with Kordel Stewart.

If you're a girl, you're biggest fear is getting hit on by a hairy-chested man, heavily weighted in gold chains, who refers to his friends as "junior" at Chauncey's.

Your latest cultural experience: On your way to partying at Slippery Rock University, having to stop your car to let the Amish buggy cross the street.

As your out-of-town friends brag about their latest trips to Europe, you think to yourself, "Polish Hill will suffice."

You eat out at least once a week at a mafia-owned Italian pizza parlor.

Your father has worked for the same company for over 20 years.

You don't see what all the hype is about Disney World when Kennywood is just around the corner.

You're having a hard time on where to take your Date out for dinner and a night on the town: - "meat on a stick" in the south side and the guzzling IC Light at Jack's - splitting an order of "O fries" and guzzling IC Light at Peter's Pub.

" N at' " is eloquently added to the end of every sentence.

You've taken deliberate field trips to the Andy Warhol museum.

You water ski on the Youghiogheny River Lake.

You feel the only good bands out there are Donny Iris, Joe Grushecky, The Blue Oyster Cult, and of course.... Rusted Root.

You're more worried about Jerome Bettis's health than your own.

You own more than one original Terrible Towel.

Your most bitter regret is that Dan Marino plays for the Dolphins...

You don't understand what all the hype is about for Rolling Rock beer, You've been drinking it for years, although Penn Pilsner is better.

You consider a great vacation a trip to Conneaut Lake or Lake Erie ... For something a little more exotic, a trip to the Jersey shore.

You're 35 years old, have never been outside of Allegheny County, and don't see the need to leave.

You only own four spices: salt, pepper, Heinz ketchup, and the bottle of Trappey's Red Devil you swiped from Primanti's.

You design your Halloween costume to fit over a snowsuit.

For the life of you, you can't understand why your all your out-of-town friends don't get the "fries and cole slaw" thing...

You have 101 favorite recipes for kolbasi and sauerkraut.

Driving is better in the winter because the potholes are filled with snow.

You find 20F "a little" chilly.

You know the four seasons: Winter, Still Winter, Almost Winter, and Construction.

You remember fondly time off from school known as "Snow Days".

Words like: hoagie; chipped ham; pop; and gumband actually mean something to you.

You can use the phrase "Firehall Wedding" and not even bat an eye.

You actually get these jokes and forward them to all your Pittsburgh friends.

I'm already f**ked!
With 13 units at SFSU, plus one more unit I'm planing to take next weekend by watching a WW II documentary that is 15 hours long, which leads me to 14 units; I'm sure I'm f**ked.
I wasn't sure if I was gonna post a comment as it is time consuming. We have to be coming back to check the responses. But I couldn't resist when I saw your post. And I'm sure you don't give a danm to what I think about you. Believe me, I think you had the courage to write what you wrote, this misconception is in many people's mind, and because of that a discussion happened, in a topic that some consider to be tabu or sensintive one.

I know him from discussions that happened last year.
Well I don't have friends from Pittsburgh, but I'll keep those jokes in mind. In my Anthro class "Endangered Cultures" there are many guys from East Coast, South, and Mid.
And here another misconception about the people on these regions of The U.S.: they are all white and either they have Anthropology as their major or are like me that need this class for the minor major in "Human Rights and Global Peace." So if "all" of them were rednecks or racists; what the hack they would be sitting their a*** in those chairs? And concerned about "Endangered Cultures"?
That is why I think we should be careful with generalizations.
Me, a Mexican-American girl and a Colombian guy are the only non-whites in the class.

Good Day AES.

Nobody is white, they just think they are. Being white is a state of mind. S.F. is a great city to be in. Endangered cultures sounds like a great sweeping undertaking. One could do a course on the endangered cultures of the indigenous peoples of the Amazon, let alone the whole world. Never say never. Not all generalities are invalid merely because they are generalities. The relativism of validity, at some point you become the authority. You really have to go somewhere in northern Florida or Georgia to encounter dyed in the wool rednecks, moving north through N. Carolina, Kentucky, S. Carolina, parts of Ohio and W. Virginia you get your hillbilly's. . .then you get into basically white trash. . .moving West you get into oakies. . .and the list goes on for all the myriad others, the not us. . .the list goes on. . .it is more a study of character disorders or the projections of character disorders. And then there are those who no longer live attached to the cultures of man; who have left the city for the sanity of nature. . .self determining, the culture of no culture.

written by Adriana A, 2007-09-06 14:18:11
I'm already f**ked!
With 13 units at SFSU, plus one more unit I'm planing to take next weekend by watching a WW II documentary that is 15 hours long, which leads me to 14 units; I'm sure I'm f**ked.
I wasn't sure if I was gonna post a comment as it is time consuming. We have to be coming back to check the responses. But I couldn't resist when I saw your post. And I'm sure you don't give a danm to what I think about you. Believe me, I think you had the courage to write what you wrote, this misconception is in many people's mind, and because of that a discussion happened, in a topic that some consider to be tabu or sensintive one.

Adriana...I was just joking. I hope you know. And yes, I do remember you, and think you're a very insightful young lady and the type of immigrant that made the U.S.A the greatest country on planet earth. Keep on keepin' on!!

You wrote:
" Endangered cultures sounds like a great sweeping undertaking. One could do a course on the endangered cultures of the indigenous peoples of the Amazon, let alone the whole world."
AES my major is Child Development, and I want to become a teacher, but my real passion is Anthropology. I felt in love with Anthro when I was studying Psychology in a university in Brazil. I will never forget my professor. As soon as I finish Child Development and get my teaching license, I will pursue my major in Anthropology. there is no way to escape. We have a call in life, and if we don't answer it; it keeps on coming back.
We are gonna study the endagered cultures of the indigenous peoples of the Amazon ( the professor and the class don't know yet that I'm from Brazil, though The Amazon River and Rain Forest are not located only in Brazil) Then, The Mayas, and the Endangered Cultures of the Middle East.

"Not all generalities are invalid merely because they are generalities. The relativism of validity, at some point you become the authority."

Relativism is the motto of Anthropology. But sometimes it is hard to determine what is the validity and invalidity of the generalities, and being fair at the same time. That is because we are dealing with human beings and their cultures.

"And then there are those who no longer live attached to the cultures of man; who have left the city for the sanity of nature. . .self determining, the culture of no culture."

AES, that was a pretty statement, that's exactly the impression I had of them (my classmates.) I had the feeling that they are searching for something, like we all do.

Aloha!

I think I had mentioned to you before that I have been working with children for many years.
Now I have this habit of trying to figure out how the people around me were like when they were children. The children I work with usually refer to them as "The mama people" "the daddy people" "the big people" "the grown ups people".... and the list goes on...
Now I wonder how were you like when you were a child...

Ok, you take care!

"And then there are those who no longer live attached to the cultures of man; who have left the city for the sanity of nature. . .self determining, the culture of no culture."

Never liked cities. Never had personal volition / external prompting / self serving concious choice of what course to follow to what end. Observant, accepting, caring for even for those that "are not seen" in some cultures and disdained or avoided in others. JDS - are you positutly certo that I (along with many other fine people we encounter here) am not E.U. Malucco?

http://www.natall.com/who-rules-america/