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The Smartest Thing China Could Do Right Now: Invest US$ 200 Billion in Brazil - Part 2 PDF Print E-mail
Written by Ricardo C. Amaral   
Thursday, 04 October 2007 21:39

Brazil train in Raiz da Serra, São Paulo The Brazilian and Chinese governments should sign a long-term agreement (35 to 50 years) regarding these long-term Chinese investments in Brazil including schedule of interest payments and so forth. Brazil would create a new Brazilian government agency to be in charge and to be accountable for the flow of Chinese money of these various investments into Brazil.

The new agency would operate with complete transparency to avoid scandals and misappropriations of funds, on both sides of the deal; on the Chinese and on the Brazilian side, related to all aspects of this new type of financing of very large projects.

The investments would be done taking into consideration both the Brazilian and Chinese long-term strategic needs, and here are the main areas for China to invest in Brazil. I would suggest that China invest at least US$ 170 billion in five major areas in Brazil plus another US$ 30 billion in a mutually beneficial space program as follows:

1) Nuclear power plants - US$ 60 billion

2) Strategic infrastructure - US$ 40 billion

3) High-speed broadband infrastructure - US$ 20 billion

4) High-speed rail networks - Bullet Trains - US$ 30 billion

5) Mortgage market - US$ 20 billion

6) Space development and exploration - US$ 30 billion

Major investment areas in Brazil regarding this plan

1) Nuclear power plants - US$ 60 billion

I would suggest first, that Brazil borrow US$ 60 billion from China, and use the money to add at least 20 new 1,000-megawatt (MW) nuclear power plants over a 10-year period in strategic areas of Brazil (these nuclear reactors cost less than US$ 2 billion each), and also use part of the money to do some upgrading of its current uranium enrichment facilities. Today, Brazil has one plant, located at Resende, less than fifty miles from Rio de Janeiro, and this plant was designed to initially enrich only 60 percent of the material needed to supply their original two reactor plants. Ultimately, Brazil aims for complete nuclear energy self-sufficiency.

Brazil is home to the world's sixth-largest uranium reserves, and developing its uranium enrichment facilities makes economic sense since the global nuclear power plant business is making a comeback in many countries, and it is growing with potentially large commercial global markets as more countries build new nuclear power plants.

Besides the 20 new nuclear power plants, Brazil should invest part of the money in a state-of-the-art nuclear waste reprocessing plant instead of having to find a place to store the spent nuclear fuel.

Used nuclear fuel (often called spent nuclear fuel) is nuclear fuel that has been irradiated in a nuclear reactor (usually at a nuclear power plant) to the point that it is no longer useful in sustaining a nuclear reaction. If not reprocessed to retrieve the remaining usable uranium and plutonium, it is a form of radioactive waste.

Nuclear reprocessing separates any usable elements (e.g., uranium and plutonium) from fission products and other materials in spent nuclear reactor fuels. Usually the goal is to recycle the reprocessed uranium. It is the process that partially closes the loop in the nuclear fuel cycle.

Use of breeder reactors combined with reprocessing could extend the usefulness of mined uranium by more than 60 times.

The technology for making reprocessed uranium fuel is well established, and there is no technical reason limiting its adoption. And nuclear reprocessing is a much better choice than the one the United States decided to adopt where used nuclear fuel is currently planned for disposal in deep geological formations, such as Yucca Mountain, where it has to be shielded and packaged to prevent its migration to mankind's immediate environment for thousands if not millions of years.
 
2) Strategic infrastructure - US$ 40 billion

Developing the proper infrastructure is an important part of an economic development plan and serves as a foundation for any developing country to be able to achieve its goals regarding industrialization, urban development, and speeding up the movement of goods not only for the domestic market but also for international trade.

One advantage of being an emerging country is that you can benefit from leapfrogging in all areas of your economic development when you try to implement the best models that were available around the world at the time - you learn from other people's successes and mistakes.

Today certain types of infrastructure development are a requirement for a country that is trying to achieve economic growth and also is trying to survive in a very competitive global economic environment.

There are various definitions of what constitutes infrastructure, but generally infrastructure refers to the large-scale public systems, services, and facilities of a country or region that are necessary for economic activity to become reality.

The economic infrastructure includes such systems as the transportation networks with its highways, bridges, tunnels, airports, and ports, the water and sewerage facilities, the various types of energy distribution (electric and gas), and the various telecommunication networks distributed via cable or satellite.

These entire economic infrastructures play an important supporting role when a country is trying to secure its place in the global supply chain. It is important for the movement of goods inside the country - local goods or imported goods - as well as for the goods and commodities produced for distribution via international trade.

Let me give you just one example - today Brazil has 47 ports in the country - but the government needs to upgrade at least ten of them to international standards of technology and productivity - this modernization would be imperative to keep pace with Brazil's export explosion in the coming decades.

But the government probably will need to build a few more new ports in the future to accommodate the economic expansion that is under way and help to lower shipping costs for Brazilian exporters.

Construction costs for most of the infrastructure systems such as the energy, water and sewage, and transportation sectors is enormous and the construction period is also very long. Prediction of demand pattern and investment allocation, which are some of the key factors of infrastructure development planning, must be based on a long term economic development trend and land use planning, which also predict the country's future demographics and possible economic structure.
 
3) High-speed broadband infrastructure - US$ 20 billion

The federal government in Brazil, in partnership with state and local governments, needs to create and promote the universal availability of high-speed broadband infrastructure throughout the country, connecting the major communities in Brazil with the rest of the world.

Today, universal access to broadband is in the interest of the majority of the population in Brazil, and it is becoming almost a requirement for a country to be connected with a state-of-the-art high-speed broadband infrastructure to be competitive in the new global economy.

The investment in high-speed broadband infrastructure should be viewed in the same way governments view federal investments in basic infrastructures in a country, such as the highway system, water system, airport system, bridges and tunnels and so on...

Brazil should adopt the leading edge in technology available at the time of its investment regarding high-speed broadband infrastructure, and the government should keep in mind the infrastructure such as the systems in operation in South Korea, Japan and China.

An article published on the San Francisco Chronicle said: "If you live in South Korea, it is an everyday reality to have always-on super fast Internet - broadband - both in your cell phone and in your home.

South Korea is the most wired country on the planet. Some South Koreans can get up to 20 megabits of data per second - breakneck speed by today's standards. Americans are lucky if they get 4 Mbps.

While South Korea leads in the rollout of broadband, the United States - supposedly the world's technology leader - comes in no better than No. 13, according to experts. About 76% of households have broadband in South Korea. The figure is 30% in the United States.

Broadband widens the digital data pipeline to allow complicated files, including pictures, graphics and video, to be downloaded at near-instant speed. Experts consider the development of broadband networks to be the single most important step for expanding digital technology and bringing cutting-edge computer applications directly into people's lives.

"There is no point in Korea where you can stand without receiving a signal," said Joy King, director of industry marketing at Hewlett-Packard. "In the U.S., we are still at the 'can-you-hear-me-now' level. When Europe and Asia are moving to multimedia text messaging, the U.S. has just started text messages. The U.S. is a Third World country in this aspect."
 
...Silicon Valley used to be hailed as the world's high-tech capital. Now many consider South Korea the king.... U.S. technology leaders are sounding the alarm that the nation is falling dangerously behind in broad areas of digital innovation, including broadband.

...In South Korea the government spent billions of dollars building a fiber grid, reaching schools and government buildings, and offered another billion in financial incentives to phone companies that strung broadband links to homes. Tough competition drove prices down, demand surged and the country was on a roll.

...HP's King cites several reasons for slow broadband development. "North America is lagging because first of all it didn't have one underlying standard," she said. "Secondly (it's lagging) because the government has not really invested directly in infrastructure. "

The US is a generation behind Japan and Korea in high-speed broadband, according to Technology Futures, Inc. While the U.S. languishes at 1 to 6MB/s, Japan and Korea are already rolling out next generation 20MB per second speeds.

On September 7, 2006 Questex Media published an article saying: "Some 62 million Americans are still using their telephone lines to dial into the Internet, according to recent figures from the Pew Internet and American Life Project. Other figures from research firms like Forrester show that only about 40% of Americans have high-speed connections at home, 30% rely on dial-up and 25% don't have any Internet connections at all!

This at a time when China is poised to overtake the US to become the world's largest broadband market. New figures from Ovum show China will have 79 million broadband subscribers by next year. And overall penetration is just above 3% in China, which means there's plenty of room to grow. Ovum predicts 139 million subscribers by 2010, and a subscription growth rate of 75% annually."

On June 26, 2007 DSL News published an article "US broadband speed lags behind" and the article said: "The availability of high-speed broadband in the US is significantly lower than in many other countries around the globe, according to a new report from Communications Workers of America (CWA).

According to the report, the median download speed in the US is 1.9 Mbps, compared to 61 Mbps in Japan and 45 Mbps in South Korea. France outstripped the US on broadband speeds as well, reporting an average 17 Mbps.

CWA President Larry Cohen said: "Speed defines what is possible on the Internet. Speed determines whether we will have the 21st century networks and communications necessary to grow our economy and jobs."
 
Other nations around the world, especially "economic competitors", have concretely decided to stress high-speed networks and by delaying, America is doing no less than "(putting its) economic growth at risk".

The investment by the Brazilian government in a state-of-the-art high-speed broadband infrastructure around the country will play an important part in helping in the economic development of Brazil in the coming decades.

Private companies and local governments should connect to such infrastructure and supply services to the local populations, but competition between these service providers should help lower the cost of using the system to most customers as is the case in various countries where they have that type of set up.

That type of infrastructure set up is helping these countries not only to keep their high-speed broadband infrastructure at the leading edge of technological development, but at the same time they are able to provide all kinds of state-of-the-art services to customers at the lowest market price possible. Real competition at this level helps to lower the price to the end users.

4) High-speed rail networks - Bullet Trains - US$ 30 billion

One of the major infrastructure projects that should be developed in Brazil as part of this Brazil/China partnership is the construction of a high-speed rail network in Brazil connecting vital areas of Brazil with a network of high-speed railway lines using the latest in technology regarding high speed bullet trains.

They can start with the construction of a 1,000-mile rail network system that should cost about US$ 30 billion and connect an important area between Sao Paulo, Rio de Janeiro and immediate areas.

Brazil should build a high-speed railway system similar to the one that they have in Japan. The Shinkansen is a network of high-speed railway lines in Japan operated by Japan Railways. These trains can be up to sixteen cars long. With each car measuring 25 m (82 ft) in length, the longest trains are 400 m (1/4 mile) from front to back. Stations are similarly long to accommodate these trains.

Before 1964 conventional trains had to spend more than 6 hours traveling between Tokyo and Osaka (322 miles (515 km)). With the introduction of Tokaido Shinkansen, the traveling time has been reduced to 3 hours and 10 minutes. Now the fastest Shinkansen connects Tokyo to Osaka in just 2 hours and 30 minutes.
 
Even though the fare is much cheaper for a highway bus between Tokyo and Osaka, few passengers choose it, due to more than 8 hours of travel.
 
Due to the high-speed railway system in Japan, the trains run speeds have been 443 km/h (275 mph) for conventional rail, and up to 580 km/h (360 mph) for maglev trainsets.

I am not suggesting that Brazil should develop a maglev train system, because of radiation concerns. I am suggesting the construction of the fastest conventional bullet train system available today.

This new bullet train system would help move not only the Brazilian people around, but also would play an important role as Brazil develops further its international tourism industry.

5) Mortgage market - US$ 20 billion

The Federal Bank of Atlanta published a report in August 2006 - "A Revolution in Consumer Banking - Developments in consumer banking in Latin America" - and the report said:

"In Brazil, Mortgage lending took off in 2002 after 20 years of virtually no growth and despite high average interest rates. The boom was ignited by the central bank's gradual reduction of deposit requirements in other sectors of the economy while pressuring banks to increase their participation in home financing.

"Accordingly, mortgage lending rose by 60% to US$ 2.1 billion in 2005 supported by improved price and employment stability, and the establishment of a new mortgage guaranty. The government has earmarked approximately US$ 1 billion from the 2006 budget to finance and guarantee housing loans for low-income families, with some of the funds coming from a worker's severance pay fund called FAT. The government has also reduced taxes on building material to encourage the housing construction business.

Financial liberalization and stabilization of inflation and exchange rates have brought significant changes to the region's housing finance systems. For example, mortgage denominated in indexed units linked to the general price index or workers' salaries in Brazil have helped reduce the risk of default."

On July 5, 2007 The New York Times published an article "Loan Changes in Brazil Motivate New Buyers and Home Building" and the article said: "Talk about an untapped market. Brazil's newfound economic stability and changes in lending laws are for the first time making it possible for the country's working poor to buy their own homes. And using money that has been pouring in from foreigners who sense a lucrative investment - US$ 4.8 billion since September 2005 - the country's construction and real estate companies are building as fast as they can.

"...But since Luiz Inácio Lula da Silva became president in 2003, interest rates have tumbled to 12% from 25% and appear set to continue falling. Inflation was 3.1% last year and is well under control. And both the minimum wage and workers' salaries are rising at rates exceeding the cost of living, according to government figures, meaning workers have more disposable income. Buying a small home is finally a real possibility for many Brazilians.

"...The country's biggest mortgage financier, the government-run Caixa Econômica Federal, estimates that Brazil needs 7.9 million new homes.

"...Now, though, banks and other lenders are loaning up to 80% of the property's value, allowing borrowers up to 30 years to pay them back and offering fixed interest rates for the first time.

"...Banks are lending more thanks in large part to a 2004 law that makes it easier for them to seize property from borrowers who fail to repay their loans. Previously, repossessing homes took banks six to eight years. Now it can take less than a year....That law means Brazil now has one of the most modern mortgage systems in the world..."

The Chinese government can take advantage of this real estate boom that is under way in Brazil, and they can invest at least US$ 20 billion in this unique long-term opportunity. By getting in early on the real estate boom in Brazil they can tap the borrowers who are the lowest risk.

The major real estate companies in Brazil are all getting prepared to build millions of new homes to meet this new demand.

This article is part 2 of a four-part series.

Ricardo C. Amaral is a writer and economist. He can be reached at
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Comments (112)Add Comment
Chinese pt of view
written by smoothn00dle, October 05, 2007
I am Chinese and I want China focus on finance, resource, space and IT sector. In particular helping small to medium size companies. Big companies like IBM and M$ are overprice and political.
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written by EU, October 05, 2007
Reply to EU
written by Ricardo Amaral, 2007-10-05 03:15:38
No, I am not talking about a currency peg – that was a disaster for Argentina when they pegged the Argentinean peso to the US dollar in the 1990’s.

Among other things that strategy helped destroy the Argentinean economy and put them out of business.

Probably the $ 200 billion dollar purchase of reais over a period of time would make the US dollar decline versus the real and might be enough to bring to the 1 : 1 ratio between the two currencies.

From that point on the real would lock in based on a certain relationship between the currencies of China, South Korea and Japan the main countries that will adopt the new Asian currency.

And Brazil would follow the rules and regulations that these currencies should be following before they drop their currencies and adopt the new Asian currency. It is a system very similar to what happened to the countries of Europe during the process when they adopted the euro as their new currency.

I am not going into a further detail regarding the procedure that they have to follow, but I wrote many articles over the years about Brazil and the euro and the procedure and guidelines will be very similar to what happened when the European countries adopted the euro - and you can find the information on my blog at:

http://brazzilnews.blogspot.com/


The one point that most people forget is that as the US dollar start declining against the real - as it has been the case since Lula became president of Brazil in Jan 2003 – the real went from $ 4 reais per US$ 1 to $ 2 reais per US$ 1. And in another 2 years the ratio can be $ 1 real per US$ 1.

As the US dollar decline versus the real – all the assets in Brazil become more valuable in term of US dollars.


Continuing from part I.
First of all, you cannot tell me you can predict where the Real will be relative to whatever currency. Second, the same monetary policy problems that you can have with a peg occur with a currency adoption that you suggest, like the Euro. Fact is, the adoption of the Euro has not been this kingdom of heaven you make it out to be.


Reply to EU
written by Ricardo Amaral, October 06, 2007
If the Chinese decide to follow the plan that I described on this 4-part series then you bet I can predict what is going to happen between the US dollar and the Brazilian real.

The real would appreciate versus the US dollar as the Chinese starts using their extra US dollars to buy the real to invest in Brazil.

The Chinese also could decide to invest in Brazil the actual US dollars that they are receiving from current cashflows, and keep their loans to Brazil in a declining currency – if they decide to do that it would be good for Brazil, but that option would not help the Chinese on their efforts of diversifying their foreign currency reserves from US dollars.

As a whole the euro has been very good to Euroland when you start analyzing each individual part in detail then you are going to find that some areas did better than another.

You want a perfect system, but I can tell you that there is no such a thing on the real world.

The truth is for the US dollar. The Federal Reserve policy can help some states and at the same time can be bad to some other areas of the country since California has a different economic make up than the economy of Oklahoma or Texas – and the economy of Iowa is different than the economy of New Jersey.

The case that you are trying to make against the euro can also be made against the US dollar.

If you had grasped that the world has been changing at the speed of light and everything is changing very fast including the area of international foreign exchange reserves.

If you expect that the world will be stuck on the past then you are out of luck.

In the coming years the global economy will adjust to the new realities of the current world for example:

We will have 4 or 5 major world currencies instead of the 2 that we have today – US dollar and the euro.

In another ten years we will have the US dollar, the euro, the new Asian currency, the gulf states new currency, and even some other options that are not in the radar today such as a new Russian and new satellites currency, and so on….

The days of US dollar global monopoly is coming to an end. You can bet on that.

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Here is an interesting Fact from Brazil’s Perspective.
written by Ricardo Amaral, October 06, 2007
United States - Gross domestic product (GDP)

Year 2002 = US$ 10.5 trillion

Year 2003 = US$ 11.0 trillion

Year 2004 = US$ 11.7 trillion

Year 2005 = US$ 12.4 trillion

Year 2006 = US$ 13.2 trillion


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Now we look at the same information from a Brazilian perspective - since President Lula became president of Brazil in January of 2003.

In December of 2002 the United States GDP in terms of the Brazilian currency it was:
$ 42 trillion reais.

In December of 2006 the United States GDP in terms of the Brazilian currency it was:
$ 26.4 trillion reais.

From the Brazilian point of view the US economy has been shrinking in the last 4 years.


Note: The foreign exchange rate between the real versus the US dollar was:

At the end of 2002 = US$ 1.00 equal R$ 4.00

At the end of 2006 = US$ 1.00 equal R$ 2.00

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written by aes, October 06, 2007
The use of 2007 dollars to pay for 2002 debt makes the debt easier to pay by at least 3%. Or if the debt was repaid in Reals it would be reduced by nearly 50%.
Roger, and
written by Ric, October 06, 2007
Not long ago the city of Tokyo was worth more than the whole USA. That situation didn´t last long.

Conservatives have been saying the dollar is doomed for at least thirty years. What´s new? So, many have invested in commodities and real estate and equities, not dollar denominated investments.

The dollar is low because the USA feels that that is in their best interest for now.
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written by João da Silva, October 06, 2007
Conservatives have been saying the dollar is doomed for at least thirty years. What´s new? So, many have invested in commodities and real estate and equities, not dollar denominated investments.

The dollar is low because the USA feels that that is in their best interest for now.


De acordo,Senhor Ric
richardo amaral
written by forrest allen brown, October 06, 2007
things too ponder

the chinese do not forgive when screw by a business partner.

if they find out that you are taking them for a ride than you will end up on the bottom of the pile

they do not care if it is in your culture to rob from them all they see is a thief ,

and look at there laws on that in there country

too go into a deal with them is dancing with the devil

if you dishoner your contract they will get you .

and guess what the USA will not help brasil out of that mess
with a million man army and the navy they have brasil would last less than 48 hours

and then you would have to learn chinese
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written by aes, October 06, 2007
haha haha you are right Forest. The Chinese have long memories. The Chinese are better at cheating than the Brazilians for they have thousands of years more experience. If you cheat do it well, have the intelligence not to get caught. Above all the Chinese respect intelligence. Read the contract before you give your word, it more than likelly involves your first born son. The Chinese have an expression in business. . .'first your f**k me, then I f**k you." They will make it so the first transaction is highly profitable so that you will come back for the second. The second will be of less advantage than the first and so on until the advantage is increasingly Chinese.
Forrest
written by João da Silva, October 06, 2007
if you dishoner your contract they will get you .

and guess what the USA will not help brasil out of that mess
with a million man army and the navy they have brasil would last less than 48 hours


A good comment, Admiral smilies/grin.gif
Chinese in Brazil?
written by Yowser, October 06, 2007
Watch out for all the eat-all-you-can Chinese buffets competing with the Brasilian churrascarias.
Reply to Forrest Allen Brown
written by Ricardo Amaral, October 06, 2007
You said: “the Chinese do not forgive when screw by a business partner”

Are you trying to say that the United States is an exception to this rule?

You are saying that Americans should start learning Chinese?

The United States has been borrowing at a rate of US$ 300 billion dollars per year from China – the outstanding bill right now is around $ 1.2 trillion dollars.

Do you believe the United States will have the cash flow to be able to repay all of this debt in future years?

Only idiots believe on that.

I am exaggerating a little right now – the Chinese might get repaid but in a currency that has depreciated so much that you will need a wheel barrel full of US dollars to get $1 of a major currency of the future.

To make even simpler for people to understand the Chinese will be repaid US$ 0.01 for each $ 100 dollars that the US had borrowed in the past. The Chinese will be repaid in a currency almost worthless in value when compared with the value of the currency when the original loans were made. Inflation will take care of that.

For example: what goods and services US$ 1.00 bought in 1946 in December 2006 you needed US$ 10.34 to buy the same stuff.

That is what you were thinking when you said the Chinese hate to be taken for a ride?

By the way, here is something that I had posted on another forum yesterday.


October 5, 2007

The Japanese foreign exchange reserves in US dollars are also approaching the $ 1 trillion dollar level.

Today, between China and Japan they are holding over $ 2 trillion dollars in US dollar foreign exchange reserves.

At the current rate China will have $ 2 trillion dollars in US dollar foreign exchange reserves by the end of 2010.

By the end of 2015 the Chinese will have enough foreign exchange reserves in US dollars to be able to wallpaper every home and apartment in Asia with US$100 dollar bills.


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Japan foreign reserves $ 945.6 bln at end Sept.
Reuters - October 4, 2007

TOKYO, Oct 5 (Reuters) - Japan's foreign reserves, the world's second largest, rose to a record $945.601 billion at the end of September, the Ministry of Finance said on Friday.

The government does not disclose the currency breakdown of the external reserves. But historical data on Japan's currency intervention, which has mostly taken the form of dollar buying, suggests most of Tokyo's hefty reserves are in dollars.

Japan has been reluctant to diversify its forex reserves and to seek higher returns by making active investments, unlike many other countries which have been recently investing a portion of its reserves in stocks and other high-risk high-return assets.

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Reply to Ric
written by Ricardo Amaral, October 07, 2007
You said: “The dollar is low because the USA feels that that is in their best interest for now.”

The value of the US dollar is declining because the United States is borrowing from the rest of the world like there is no tomorrow. In the last 6 years the United States has been borrowing almost 90 percent of global savings year after year.

The United States is fighting multiple wars in Iraq and in Afghanistan that basically are financed by foreign borrowers.

The emerging countries including Brazil, China, India – are investing in the future in new infrastructure and so on…. On the meantime the US is investing its resources in wars that they have already lost and is costing them a fortune – not only now but also in the future.

It’s just a matter of time but eventually very high inflation will return to the US economy as a result of all this defense spending.

The high inflation of the late 1970’s was a direct result from the defense spending related to the Vietnam War. It does not matter how the government try to spin it but there’s only one result at the end of the day – and it is called INFLATION.

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Reply to aes
written by Ricardo Amaral, October 07, 2007
Today Brazil is in a better financial position than any other time that I can recall.

Brazil might be in the best financial position at least in the last 100 years.

Brazil paid all its IMF debt, plus all the debt to the Club of Paris. Not only that but today Brazil have enough foreign currency reserves – about $ 163 billion dollars – to be able to pay for any outstanding debt in foreign currency.

When you look at the balance sheet of Brazil as a country today they deserve AAA rating.

To answer your question a lot of the Brazilian debt was in US dollar and as the US dollar started depreciating against the real in the last 4 years became cheaper and cheaper to repay the outstanding loans in US dollars.

During this period Brazil had a major inflow of US dollars money earned from selling its natural resources to China.

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written by aes, October 07, 2007
It seems China has a 2 trillion Dollar vested interest in supporting U.S. economic and foreign policy. It would be economically foolish for China to jeopardize its investment. The U.S. dollar ultimately is backed by armament. Secondarily it is backed by natural resources. And thirdly it is backed by technology, ie space, communication and aeronautical technologies.

The lesson of Viet Nam was do not lose the war. I do not think It is the U.S.'s intent to lose. There were 3 in the Axis of Evil. . . Iraq, Iran and N.Korea. Iran is Act III.
richardo
written by forrest allen brown, October 07, 2007
you said brazil wasinvesting in
infrastructure where ?????

for the rich , not for the poor , not in schools ,not in sewer and water compaines .
and your banks 123 ways too make the coustomers pay .
cell phone compaines some of the higest in the world
internet when you can place it in your home you pay double the price as any country .

your only aircraft company only puts the parts tougeather .

you have the higest paid goverment in the world ,
and brasil has more goverment emploeyse than they have in the privats sector

and not the least you are selling off your natural resorces of brasil as you said
leaving your poor in a worse state than the poor in china

who would you rather work for chinese or yourself
Reply to AES
written by Ricardo Amaral, October 07, 2007
The last two superpowers also were backed by military power and look what happened to them. They did not lose their status as a superpower because another country defeated them in a war. Defense spending put the last two superpowers in the poor house.

In the last 6 years the United States has been following in the footsteps of these two ex-superpowers - the English Empire and the Soviet Empire.

The US has been depleting its natural resources for over 100 years, as I mentioned before the US is falling behind the Asian countries in many of the technologies of tomorrow. In space the US has been stuck in 1980 - the Shuttle program has accomplished so far the goals that they were supposed to achieve by 1980.

This Shuttle program started when Richard Nixon was the President of the US in 1972
By the year 2007 the Shuttle were supposed to have accomplished more than 10,000
trips. Besides the big achievement in the Shuttle program is to see if the Shuttle is not going to Blow up on the way up, or at re-entry. And in the last few missions the astronauts spent most of their time in space trying to fix the Shuttle to be able to return to earth.

Basically the US space program has been stuck in the year 1980 for a long time.

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The illusion of prosperity
written by Ricardo Amaral, October 07, 2007
United States - Gross domestic product (GDP)

Year 2002 = US$ 10.5 trillion

Year 2003 = US$ 11.0 trillion

Year 2004 = US$ 11.7 trillion

Year 2005 = US$ 12.4 trillion

Year 2006 = US$ 13.2 trillion


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Now we look at the same information from an European Union perspective –
From December 31, 2002 to December 31, 2006.

The United States GDP in terms of euros it was:

In December of 2002 = $ 10.0 trillion euros.
In December of 2006 = $ 10.0 trillion euros.

Conclusion: From the European Union’s point of view the US economy has gone nowhere in the last 4 years in term of euros.


Note: The foreign exchange rate between the US dollar versus the euro was:

At the end of 2002 = US$ 1.00 equal $ 1.04830 euros

At the end of 2006 = US$ 1.00 equal $ 1.32030 euros

And things are getting even worse since in September of 2007 the US dollar traded at one point at: US$ 1.00 equal $ 1.43 euros - and the euro can reach the level of $ 1.45 by the end of 2007.

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What a joke these Brazilians !!!!!!
written by ch.c., October 07, 2007
1) Why the idiot making his calculation on Brazilian/USA GDP comparisons make the same comparisons in a 10, 20 or 50 years period ??????
You forgot, on purpose, to mention that a 4 Reals to the US$ rate, was after a 75 % Reals DEVALUATION.
It is like saying a stock price went from Us$ 1 to 0,25 and then went up to 0,50 US$.
You applaude the doubling in price but forget the original 75 % price decline. Traditional way of Brazilian stats : look and measure only the rosier time frame ....and forget the darker time frame
Only idiots can do that.Only brazilians have such a vision. But that is the only way Brazilians could see how good they truly NOT are.

But now do the same calculations for the last 70 years. And you will find out that you would need MUCH MUCH MORE THAN A TRILLION OF YOUR THEN CURRENCY ...to have ONLY 1 (Yess...ONE) US$ !

Instead of comparing numbers when they please you by comparing a bottom to a top, but forgetting the tops to bottoms doesnt make you more wealthy....over time ! sorry for you !

Reality being that in the last 10 years, your currency is still DOWN 40 % against the weak US$ !

Nothing to be proud of......in my view !

And contrary to you I dont take a time frame that pleases my stats.
Reality being the further back we look at, the worse it is !

2) China investments !
- Chineses are not dumb enough to invest in Brazil, when they can have a higher return...in AFRICA or elsewhere.
- Why should they invest in Brazilian Broadband, when they dont have enough....locally ?????
- Why should they invest in Brazilian mortgage, when they dont have enough real estate for themselves....locally ?
- Why should they invest in nuclear power plants in Brazil, when they dont have enough plants....locally ????


More idiot than the ideas of Ricardo, there is not ! But I suppose HE is expecting others to do what Brazil is UNABLE AND UNWILLING TO DO !

Ohhhh Ricardo, stupid question :
Would Brazil agree and accept a US$ 200-400 billion investments from China, by letting them acquire both
Petrobras and Cia Vale ????????? Laugh....laaugh....laugh !!!!!
As you should know this where they wish to invest....not in Brazilian Broadband or Brazilian mortgage !
They dont care for the developments of others, they are still very poor in per capita basis.
They only expect to secure more basic commodities long term, mostly energy, ferrous and non ferrous metals, for themselves, not for others well being !
In agriculture, they need to import for now, due to their very high economic growth. But no doubt that they will be nearly self sufficient in 2 or 3 decades at most.
And to my knowledge, in agriculture, you will have to face competition from other exporting countries, mostly more developed than Brazil, such as USA, Argentina and Australia. And dont under estimate Russia.

Russia is a BIG EXPORTER exporter of wheat....while Brazil is one of the world largest....IMPORTER !!!!!!
Furthermore on sugar, if Russia is buying ONE THIRD of Brazil total exports..for the time being, Russia is investing tons of money to produce more sugar by themselves. If you read the latest report from F.O. Licht, Russia is going to import less and less sugar.

Russia is also by far your largest meat importer. Not for long !
They have far more foreign currency reserves than Brazil and better yet.....they are the world second in oil production, with very large reserves in both oil AND natural gas !

Ricardo, sorry but you are a typical Brazilian junkie...with no common sense, and no knowledge of what others expect....for their money !

Ohhh I forgot to mention that Russia is a large producer in most metals, including gold, platinum.

In my view, China will be better off by investing (your) US$ 200 billion in Russia than in Brazil.
And to the junkie AES....
written by ch.c., October 07, 2007
"The use of 2007 dollars to pay for 2002 debt makes the debt easier to pay by at least 3%."

How did you come to 3 % ?
Brazilian maths or AES maths ?????
It also happens that most of your long term borrowings were made when the exchange rate was still ONE TO ONE !!!!!! and today your currency is still DOWN 40 %...making you you pay MORE....NOT LESS....even with today exchange rate-

AES....you are manipulating constantly simple maths....by using a bottom to top approach....forgetting the previous tops to bottoms far worse than bottom to top !
Can you catch and understand this ?


Ohhhh......and why have you repaid most of your debts....earlier than 2007 ...if you are/were so smart ??????
Brazilian vision ??????

Ohhh.....and why has Brazil invested most of their foreign currency reserves....in the US$ ?
Brazilians ENJOY putting their savings in what is depreciating....month after month ?????

Not so great, when you do a simple and fair analysis !

Ohhhh....AND ALL THE WORLD CURRENCIES (except the Venezuelian and Argentina currencies, 2 members of the Mercorsur....curiously) have been very strong against the US$.....not only the BRL !!!!

Why doesnt Brazilians produce a long term chart against a BASKET of currencies ?
TOO SHAMEFUL...is the answer.
Therefore...OUTRAGEOUS.....since Brazilians dont like the truth and enjoy manipulating stats and numbers !
Reply to Ch.c.
written by Ricardo Amaral, October 07, 2007
You call me a joke, but did you at least take the time to read what you posted?

What happened 20, 30, 50, 100 years ago it does not matter it is water under the bridge.

What matters is what has happened recently and in the future.

The last 4 years is just the beginning what and see what is going to happen to Brazil in the coming years.

Brazil has a younger population than the US.

Brazil has a cleaner balance sheet.

Brazil is leapfrogging into the future and you don’t have a clue about what is really going on in Brazil.

You said: “Chineses are not dumb enough to invest in Brazil, when they can have a higher return...in AFRICA”

Then they should put all their money in Ethiopia, Sudan, Somalia, Congo, and so on – and let all these countries supply the food necessary to feed the Chinese population. By the way, don’t forget Zimbabwe since that African country would be one of the most reliable sources of food to help feed the Chinese population in the coming years.

Petrobras and Cia Vale do Rio Doce are both traded on the stock market – and anybody can buy there shares.

You did not read my entire article otherwise you would not be making all your silly comments about agriculture.


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China’s foreign exchange reserves:


Dec 31, 2004 = $ 610 billion in total foreign exchange reserves which included about $ 500 billion in US dollars.


Dec 31, 2005 = $ 819 billion dollars in total foreign exchange reserves which included about $ 700 billion in US dollars.


Dec 31, 2006 = $ 1.06 trillion dollars in total foreign exchange reserves which included about $ 850 billion in US dollars.


Sept 2007 = $ 1.4 trillion dollars in total foreign exchange reserves which includes about $ 1.1 trillion in US dollars.


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Let’s see how well China’s US dollar investment has been doing in terms of euros.

Let’s take the US dollars that China was holding as of the end of 2005.

That US$ 700 billion dollars was worth $ 591 billion euros as of Dec 31, 2005.

That US$ 700 billion dollars was worth $ 530 billion euros as of Dec 31, 2006.

That US$ 700 billion dollars was worth $ 490 billion euros as of Sept of 2007.

In euro terms China lost $ 101 billion euros on the amount of US dollars that they were holding as foreign exchange reserves from Dec 2005 to Sept 2007. This is the amount they lost only on that particular piece – never mind the rest of US dollars that they are holding.


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In Dec of 2006 China was holding $ 850 billion dollars in foreign exchange reserve.

That US$ 850 billion dollars was worth $ 644 billion euros as of Dec 31, 2006.

That US$ 850 billion dollars was worth $ 594 billion euros as of Sept of 2007.


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Exchange rate US dollar versus euro

As of 12/31/2005 = 1.18440

As of 12/31/2006 = 1.32030

As of Sept 2007 = 1.43


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By the end of 2007 China should be holding at least $ 1.2 trillion dollars in US dollar foreign exchange reserve. I hate to think about China’s foreign exchange losses in term of euros when the euro reaches the US$ 1.00 = $ 1.5 euros level some time in 2008.

Since you think that this is a smart way of doing business then I love to do some business with you some time.

You must be a very smart business person if you think that taking this beating on your foreign exchange reserves is a good business and investing in Ethiopia, Sudan, Somalia, Congo, and Zimbabwe is a better bet than investing in Brazil.

I rest my case.

The only joke here is Ch.c.

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Reply to Forrest Allen Brown
written by Ricardo Amaral, October 07, 2007
I guess you did not read my entire article as yet - you can read it on my blog since I posted all 4-parts of this series of articles as a single report.

After you read the entire report you will see that my plan will help fix a lot of the problems that we have today in Brazil and the plan would help create the infrastructure and needed for the 21st century at an affordable price for the Brazilian population.

I can’t fix the past – my plan is for the future.

Yes, Lula announced a few months ago about a major investment that the government is going to make in Brazil in the coming years.

You said: “your only aircraft company only puts the parts together.”

I don’t know if you know that – but today Boeing is not doing even the design of its airplanes anymore in the United States – they are also just assembling the parts in Seattle.


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In the meantime you be able to read the entire article on my blog at:
The Smartest Thing China Could Do Right Now: Invest US$ 200 Billion in Brazil.

China direct investment in Brazil

http://chinadirectinvestmentinbrazil.blogspot.com/

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Ch.c.
written by aes, October 07, 2007
Yoda: Let us compare countries by PPP regardless of the vagaries of currency exchange rates the Dollar has suffered the value of the Dollar within the economy of the U.S. self evidently provides greater value than anywhere else in the world.

The only concern the Dollar would have is an inflationary concern; and that is being controlled by the Feds.

Dollar denominated goods in the U.S. are a good buy in foreign currencies, encouraging exports and investment. The Stock Market is a bargain measured in Euro's and other currencies and for that reason as well as security and stability foreign funds have driven the Market to records.

Buy while you can because the Dollar is never static.




GDP as Purchasing Power Paritry CIA Data

1 World $59,590,000,000,000
2 United States $12,410,000,000,000
3 European Union $12,180,000,000,000
4 China $8,182,000,000,000
5 Japan $3,914,000,000,000
6 India $3,699,000,000,000
7 Germany $2,454,000,000,000
8 United Kingdom $1,869,000,000,000
9 France $1,822,000,000,000
10 Italy $1,651,000,000,000
11 Brazil $1,568,000,000,000

Ricardo:
The comparison to the fall of Russia and England to the U.S. is specious. The U.S. is at war. It has been attacked and will be attacked with all the force that Islamic Jihad is capable of projecting. It is not a matter of choice, but of necessity. And regardless of the economic costs it will be prosecuted.
England had comparatively little natural resources.
Russia had become a nation of un-enthused vodka drinking workers. There was no incentive to produce.
And ???
written by Simpleton, October 07, 2007
"Russia had become a nation of un-enthused vodka drinking workers. There was no incentive to produce." And AMBEV has and will continue to master the art of producing fine products at favorable prices to keep the un-enthused beer drinking Brasillian non-workers right where Bin Lula et. al. want them unincentivised to be except for the roving pillaging hordes already amassing. Why do you think they are continueing to try to aqcuire military hardware, missles, ect., ect.. (There's a war going on!!)
Ch.C (a.k.a YODA)
written by João da Silva, October 07, 2007
I liked the new nick name AES gave you smilies/grin.gif

BTW, did you read the entire article of Ricardo Amaral (like I did) or just the two parts?
Reply to Ch.c
written by Ricardo Amaral, October 07, 2007
GDP as Purchasing Power Parity CIA Data

1 World $59,590,000,000,000
2 United States $12,410,000,000,000
3 European Union $12,180,000,000,000
4 China $8,182,000,000,000
5 Japan $3,914,000,000,000


Do you believe that the US Purchasing Power Parity would be that high without the trillions of borrowings from foreign countries?

By the way, the Gulf oil producing countries of the Middle East also have an over supply of US dollars – in May of 2007 their US dollar foreign exchange reserves were more than $ 1.6 trillion dollars.

China came from nowhere and in a matter of a few years they already have a Purchasing Power Parity of $ 8 trillion dollars. And if they were not financing the US Purchasing Power Parity then China would be almost as great as the US by now.

Remember the US government is $ 9 trillion dollars in debt and the states have another $ 2 trillion dollars in outstanding debt. And the US economy has another $ 70 trillion dollars in debt that is coming due in relation to all the benefits that they will have to pay to the Baby boom generation.

For all practical purposes even if the US were not pissing all its borrowed money fighting wars in Iraq and Afghanistan – the US government still would be insolvent.

You said: “The comparison to the fall of Russia and England to the U.S. is specious. The U.S. is at war.”

These empires died a slow death – a death by taxation since at the end of the day someone has to pay for all the money that they pissed away in defense spending and adventures around the world.

The reality is the US was attacked by 19 terrorists armed with box cutters and a very clever plan.

And the United States reaction to an attack by a hand full of people armed with box cutters has been = US defense spending of $ 4 trillion dollars.

If that is not the definition of Pathetic then I don’t know what the word Pathetic means.

Here is some actual figures that I posted on another forum on February 20, 2007:

United States government actual budget

United States Government Annual Budget during the Bush administration.
Each year, on the first Monday in February, the President of the United States submits his budget request to Congress for the following fiscal year:

United States federal budget, 2008 - $2.9 trillion (submitted February 2007 by President Bush)
United States federal budget, 2007 - $2.8 trillion (submitted February 2006 by President Bush)
United States federal budget, 2006 - $2.6 trillion (submitted February 2005 by President Bush)
United States federal budget, 2005 - $2.4 trillion (submitted 2004 by President Bush)
United States federal budget, 2004 - $2.2 trillion (submitted 2003 by President Bush)
United States federal budget, 2003 - $2.1 trillion (submitted 2002 by President Bush)
United States federal budget, 2002 - $2.0 trillion (submitted 2001 by President Bush)
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Total US government Budget for period year 2001 to year 2007 = US$ 17 trillion.

We can estimate that the US government budget for the last year of the Bush administration it will be at least US$ 3 trillion dollars – a figure that will bring the total US government budget for the 8-year period of the Bush administration to US$ 20 trillion dollars.


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Here is Bushes’ military spending - this does not include ANY costs related to Afghanistan or Iraq as they are all in supplemental spending bills:

For Fiscal Year 2007 it is $470.0 billion
For Fiscal Year 2006 it was $441.6 billion
For Fiscal Year 2005 it was $420.7 billion
For Fiscal Year 2004 it was $399.1 billion
For Fiscal Year 2003 it was $396.1 billion.
For Fiscal Year 2002 it was $343.2 billion.
For Fiscal Year 2001 it was $ 296.0 billion

Iraq and Afghanistan supplementary spending including 2007 = over $ 500 billion.

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Total Bush administration actual defense spending for 7-year period 2001 to 2007 = US$ 3,266.7 billion


For Fiscal year 2008 we can very conservatively estimate that Defense Spending will be at least another US$ 500 billion.

Including this estimate for defense spending for 2008 that would bring the total defense spending for the 8-year period of the Bush administration to the amount of US$ 3,766.7 billion. Plus the supplementary amounts that the government it is going to request the total adjusted amount for defense spending for the 8-years of the Bush administration it can reach the US$ 4 trillion dollar level.

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Forrest/Ricardo Amaral
written by João da Silva, October 07, 2007
You said: “your only aircraft company only puts the parts together.”

I don’t know if you know that – but today Boeing is not doing even the design of its airplanes anymore in the United States – they are also just assembling the parts in Seattle.


Forrest, the original EMBRAER planes were designed by our ITA engineers,along with engineers from other countries. I am proud of it. Now, after the company was privatized, they started outsourcing the manufacturing of the components to other countries.However, it does not mean the founders of EMBRAER do not deserve credit.

Ricardo, Boeing planes are designed by the American engineers and the manufacturing is outsourced to other countries, just like the privatized EMBRAER does. FHC´s government decided to privatize two organizations run by competent Brasilian professionals:EMBRAER and TELEBRAS. Those professionals are already forgotten and forsaken.

Ricardo Amaral
written by João da Silva, October 07, 2007
As a matter of interest to you, directing you to a link of "Estadão".

http://www.estadao.com.br/esta...1464,0.php

Do you really think that the Trade Attachés of varios countries based in their respective Embassies in Brasilia dont read the Brasilian News Papers?
Simpleton
written by João da Silva, October 07, 2007
Why do you think they are continueing to try to aqcuire military hardware, missles, ect., ect.. (There's a war going on!!)



Do you mean to say that there is a big war going on between Smirnoff & AMBEV ? smilies/wink.gif
No, Ambev and Schincariol
written by Ric, October 07, 2007
My dad was an engineer at Douglas and way back in the 1950´s he was in touch with people at ITA or IPD and they sent him several components to analize. I think the main guy was of Russian descent. But when I visited SJC in about 1971 there were also French dudes working on the first Bandeirante.

But aviation is international, always has been, but the bottom line is putting concepts together into a saleable product and Embraer has been very successful in that.

Our relatives working at Boeing in Seattle and Renton would dispute the idea that the 787 was designed elsewhere. I saw the first 787 computer generated concept video in Washington State back in about 2003, and the initial engineering was all done in-house in the states.

Ric
written by João da Silva, October 07, 2007
But aviation is international, always has been, but the bottom line is putting concepts together into a saleable product and Embraer has been very successful in that.

Our relatives working at Boeing in Seattle and Renton would dispute the idea that the 787 was designed elsewhere. I saw the first 787 computer generated concept video in Washington State back in about 2003, and the initial engineering was all done in-house in the states.


You are right Ric, the aviation is international indeed and I am glad that your dad also contributed to the Brasilian Aviation.I have flown in Bandeirantes and found them to be reliable and since they were turbo prop and flying in low altitude, you could see lots of country side.Especially on the days of "Céu de brigadeiro".

BTW, I do believe that your relatives dispute the fact that B 787 was designed elsewhere.It is very similar to designing any product ,defining the specs and outsourcing to manufacture,be in your own country or elsewhere to cut down the cost of production.
A400 misc electronics and not EMB wings
written by Simpleton, October 08, 2007
Emb had problems with their outsourcing and ulitmately had to bring folks (from far away places) in-house and do it themselves. Good for them and for getting the job done. So goes a majority of endeavors even in places that have a majority of the population in this world. I don't like the Boeing solution to things though - just keep throwing bodies at it until it's no longer the long pole. Very inefficient and it both demeans and hobbles the smart crafty folk (who were supposed to be carrying the ball but obviously weren't running fast enough in any direction much less the right one).
the world is out sorceing , if they are going to survie
written by forrest allen brown, October 08, 2007
look at china , most all things made there have been recalled by the US and the EU
but brasil still brings in there stuff and sells it to the people

dont buy there condoms with over a billion people i dont think they work well .

and a muslum brasil no drinking , no sex , women would have to cover from head to toe .

and 5 times a day praying to meca

cant see that

we need to do the idea that came up in the 90 with a single monatary note
for all the north and south amercia

save on printing , counterfiting , and with nafta and the other free trade zones coming up work out beter for all parties
Reply to Forrest Allen Brown
written by Ricardo Amaral, October 08, 2007
You said: “we need to do the idea that came up in the 90 with a single monetary note
for all the north and south America”

I assume you are suggesting that all the countries in the Americas adopt the US dollar.

That’s a terrible idea.

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Reply to Joao da Silva
written by Ricardo Amaral, October 08, 2007
I saw in the news about 7 or 10 days ago, I believe it was on CNN - Lou Dobbs – as part of the news they were describing how Boeing’s new Dreamliner was a plane designed around the world and the plane became a better plane because all the manufacturers of most parts helped in the design of everything on this new airplane – and many parts were improved because of the input into the design of this airplane from all this people from around the world.

The point that they were trying to make is that Boeing was sharing too much proprietary information (companies secrets) with all these companies around the world giving these companies the opportunity to leapfrog and improve on all this technology and some day become competitors to Boeing.

In one of the books that I just finished reading it - Wikinomics How Mass Collaboration Changes Everything By Don Tapscott – in chapter 8 of that book “The Global Plant Floor” they describe in detail Boeing’s new way of designing and assembling the new generation of aircrafts.

The chapter is too long for me to summarize in a few sentences – but let me quote only the following: “Leading-edge aerospace and defense companies are responding with global, flexible, agile operational structures that enable continuous innovation, greater efficiency, and lower costs.”

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Ricardo Amaral
written by Shelly, October 08, 2007
I agree 100&#xwi;th you. America runs on borrowed money, period. My brother-in-law is a co-owner of an actuary firm in London, Asia, Europe and Latin America, and I have seen him loose investment in the US, but everywhere else his is making money. He has an office here in D.C. and one in San Diego and is advising foreign investors to look at other countries. The dollar is weak in Europe and compared to the British Pound is like a piss in a bucket. Reality will sink with Americans, eventually they will learn that you if you borrow, you will have to repay. At the current rate of spending, we and the next generation will have to work until we give our last breath.

And here is a good smear campaign that works in this country:
"look at china , most all things made there have been recalled by the US and the EU
but brasil still brings in there stuff and sells it to the people"

Please, would you kindly look at the volume of Chinese exports and the recall number? Talk about exaggerating facts.
On Chinese imports
written by Shelly, October 08, 2007
I think this whole issue should make people think twice before go to Wal-Mart's to buy CHEAP goods, you can't have your cake and eat it too! http://worldblog.msnbc.msn.com...42516.aspx
"Browne pointed out that market forces – often from the U.S. – are a lot of what drives the cost-cutting that leads to dangerous products. "The relentless pressure on Chinese factories to bring down costs, to shave pennies off of each product that they sell... that in part is driven by American-end users, by the Wal-Mart’s of this world who keep pushing the cost of the price down to factories in China, but also driven by the higher costs of industrial inputs into the factories."
Reply to Shelly
written by Ricardo Amaral, October 08, 2007
Someone in one of the postings regarding this article did imply that government officials in Brazil are the most expensive bunch in the world regarding their salaries.

I doubt that the above information is correct considering the size of the total Brazilian government budget when compared with the government budget of other countries.

In my opinion a lot of things does not make sense – for example:

Because the real appreciated a lot in recent years when you translate figures from the real into US dollars it seems like the numbers are increasing a lot in Brazil even when the figures in local currency stays the same.

The total budget of the Brazilian government has increased in term of US dollars to about $ 220 billion dollars for the year 2007.

Compare that with two figures from the US economy:

The United States needs to borrow from foreigners a lot more than that amount per year for the US economy to continue to be afloat.

Year after year the US government budget includes the payment of interest on the US government cumulative outstanding debt – and year after year the US government has to pay in interest alone over $ 300 billion dollars.

Keep in mind the US government can’t cut the budget in that area during a recession or at any time since this is interest on the money that they borrowed in the past.

Not long ago this interest figure alone used to be twice of the entire budget of the Brazilian government.

The US defense budget plus the supplementary money to keep the Iraq and Afghanistan wars going are over 3 times the amount of the Brazilian government budget – even after we take in consideration the massive devaluation of the US dollar versus the real.

When you put some of the information in the spotlight how anyone can argue that the United States it is a better investment for China than Brazil.

Remember the Chinese government will be holding over $ 1.2 trillion dollars by the end of 2007.

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written by aes, October 08, 2007
In 2006 China had a positive trade balance with the U.S. of nearly 233 billion dollars. When you have a customer of that magnitude as a seller you do everything in your power to help the customer. You carry his paper and do nothing to jeopardize the business that is going on. The $1.2 trillion the Chinese is holding is the price of doing business. The value of the dollar is a perceived value. There is no real value as it is not backed by gold. If, however, you were add up all the capital assets in the United States, businesses, real estate, mining, farms, timber, manufacturing, and all other capital assets the value of such assets make this $1.2 trillion a pittance. The U.S. remains asset rich and credit worthy as its equity as a nation, far exceeds all its debts. In addition the business capacity remains at some $12 trillion a year. The U.S. by all accounts is a good investment. If it were not, the world would not make the U.S. the largest capital market in the world. The capital of the world seeks the safety and stability of the U.S. because it is backed by the force of law subject to public transparency and scrutiny.
aes
written by Shelly, October 08, 2007
I agree that the US has a lot of equity, it also has a lot of debt. This debt will be payed by people like me and my kids, how do you think the government will get a positive balance again? More taxes, less investment in education-last year Loudoun County and Fairfax County announced a new budget: cut, cut , cut. This will have consequences down the road, you mess around with education, you mess around with the future of a country. I have to disagree with you on the US being the financial capital of the world. I think London continues to excel on that front, just take a look at how much that city has in terms of value. Pretty much all hedge funds corporation are located in London. I take my brother in law as an example, a graduate from Cambridge University, has worked all his life in London, will never move to the US. He has an office here, but headquarters remains in London. The city is the financial heart of Europe, and possibly the world. As I said, he has lost money in this country and made loads more in Russia, India and Middle East. After the house market crisis, European banks are very skeptical about the US economy. I travel to London frequently, went to Montreal last week, the conversations are about the same-Will the fall of the US economy be a hard fall or a soft one? I for once wish the exactly the opposite. I have invested in land in Florida and lost money. We are buying property in Spain, much better return of your money and rent is guaranteed as it remains a top destination for Britons and other Europeans.

This is a good article, recent and it talks about why London is the financial capital of the world. I have lived there and I know the city is full of life and absolutely posh and a beautiful place to work. The British way of doing business is thoughtful, they think of long term instead of "fast cash, get rich quick". The mentality in Europe seems to work better with the world and they have incredible tax laws that help foreign investors, much different from the US.

http://money.cnn.com/magazines/fortune/fortune_archive/2007/08/06/100141310/
AES
written by João da Silva, October 08, 2007
When you have a customer of that magnitude as a seller you do everything in your power to help the customer.


Quote of the week and thanks. I read about an ancient saying in Chinese:"In these troubled times, old friends help each other". May be I am misquoting the proverb,but the essence of it remains the same. Please do correct me if I am wrong.
US balance of trade deficit $ 5 trillion dollars
written by Ricardo Amaral, October 09, 2007
Today, Pat Buchanan was a guest on Hardball with Chris Matthews a television show on MSNBC – and one of the facts that Pat Buchanan mentioned during the conversation it’s that the cumulative balance of trade deficits of the United States for the last 15 years has reached $ 5 trillion dollars.

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Reply to AES
written by Ricardo Amaral, October 09, 2007
You said: “The capital of the world seeks the safety and stability of the U.S. because it is backed by the force of law subject to public transparency and scrutiny.”

Do you mean the type of public transparency and scrutiny as in the current sub-prime scandal or in the Enron, WorldCom, and many other similar cases that caused losses of trillions of dollars to investors?

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Reply to Shelly
written by Ricardo Amaral, October 09, 2007
You mentioned that you are: “buying property in Spain, much better return of your money and rent is guaranteed as it remains a top destination for Britons and other Europeans.

I am finishing a proposal right now to present to a group of Arab friends in the Gulf counties of the Middle East for them to invest in Brazilian real estate.

By the way, I know someone who sold an ethanol refinery in Brazil not long ago to invest instead in real estate.

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Ricardo
written by Shelly, October 09, 2007
I would love to buy a property in Brazil. I have an uncle, he works for Petrobras, and has a fantastic house in Buzios. 6/6bath bedroom, swimming pool, casa p/ caseiro in Ferradura Beach. I went there last year with my kids and my husband and I would love to get a house there. Problem is to get to Buzios you pass through some pretty rough places. Last year a tour bus was stop by thieves and they stolen everything from the passengers. They were British tourists heading towards Buzios. Rio has become a lawless town, my parents are lucky they live in Barra da Tijuca and are quite "safe" there. I cannot put my kids through this, 2 of them were born in the U.K. and the others here, when I see that the government put top priority on security of its citizens, then I will change my mind.In Spain, you don't have to worry, it is very safe and I have friends that live in Malaga and they have already offered to help out. My sister-in-law has finished her home in Florence, you can't compare buying property in Europe with Brazil. Unfortunately, we still have a long way to go.We bought a piece of land in Florida, near the beach and we have lost money. I won't sell it because I know that in a few years--according to my brother-in-law late 2009 the market should begin to correct itself and hopefully some normalcy will return. For next year the forecast seems grim and painful.
Ricardo
written by Shelly, October 09, 2007
One more question? I don't know if you have seen my posts, but I am a scientist Oceanographer. Mainly what I studied is ocean and marine estuarine science. How do you think that we can build state of the art":Besides the 20 new nuclear power plants, Brazil should invest part of the money in a state-of-the-art nuclear waste reprocessing plant instead of having to find a place to store the spent nuclear fuel."

To decommission a nuclear power plant is very expensive, and two the reactor needs to be properly sealed and disposed. Any suggestions? I have a problem