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Adam
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11/27/2002
13:06:53
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Sometime early next year, I will be going to Brasil for the
second time (the 1st was a short trip to rj + sp). I am
planning on visiting Recife, Salvador, Belo, Sp, Rj, and
Floripa. Any suggestions as to where to go in these cities or
where else to go in Brasil? Ive been studying the culture
and language for about 3 years...
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Patinho
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11/27/2002
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Jericoacoara, Ceara.... simply paradise.
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Zé
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11/27/2002
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I'd suggest the three chapadas if you like sightseeing, but they are quite a trip appart.
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Adam
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11/28/2002
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Thanks, I will check those out..
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BlackBaron
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11/29/2002
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I stongly recommend Morro do Alemão..saturday night..be careful with police only.
After that, if stil alive, go to Maceio city, Fernando de Noronha Island, Lençóis city (Chapada Dimantina) and Cataratas do Iguaçu.
Blackabron
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Lucas
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11/29/2002
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Brasília is fantastic!
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Jill
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11/30/2002
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In Recife...be careful of sharks in the water...many bitten. Also be sure to go over to their sister sister Olinda and see the beautiful churches and old city...way more awesome than Recife. Pick up some paintings sold by street vendors near some of the churches. An easy after noon in Olinda.
And if you are going all those places more incredible experience than some of those cities is flying into Manaus and taking a old chug chig Amazon River boat but on the sister river the Rio Negro and go upstream some hours to the Ariau Jungle Tower Lodge. When in rio or SP go to any travel agent and purchase at least the 3 day 2 night stay, includes everything all meals except beer...don't eat the local fish. This has been one of my best 17 trips to Brasil. All the excursions are included in the reasonable price; besides how often will you walk the Amazon, fish for pirana and hunt caymen/alligators and explore the igarotes or small streams labyrinth'ing the Amazon region.
Go to Paraty, stay at the Pousada Quiosque Internacional, say hello to Valmor the owner he is a fabulous person in a most beautiful place in Brasil. Paraty is the first Euro settlement in all of Brasil (is that right?). The streets of the town have no cars but are only cobblestone. Brasil's greatest movie (my opine), Gabriella, was filmed there. The ride from Rio to Paraty is beautiful...the bus is cool.
Be sure to buy your 5 ticket Varig Pass (?) in the US before going south...super cheap.
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Randy Paul
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11/30/2002
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>Paraty is the first Euro settlement in all of Brasil (is that right?).
No. Cabral arrived near what is now Porto Seguro in Bahia and the first settlement of Europeans is probably near there or Santa Cruz Cabralia.
This doesn't take away anything from Paraty.
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Patinho
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11/30/2002
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I thought it was spelled Parati, since there is no "Y" in the portuguese alphabet. I know it is used sometimes anyway, specifically for names. I am not trying to be a smart-ass...
I am just curious if we are talking about the same town I am familiar with... the old colonial town near Rio, famous for it's cachaca. Same one or no?
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Randy Paul
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11/30/2002
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Patinho:
It's the same one, spelled both ways.
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Zé
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12/01/2002
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...er Randy, in actual portuguese it is called Parati. It used to have a "y" in its name, but since the letter was abolished from our alfabet it is called so nowadays.
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Randy Paul
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12/01/2002
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Zé,
Well, when I was there I bought two tee shirts, spelling the name both ways. Kind of like my wife's cousin, who spells her name Yara or Iara depending on her mood.
Given the fact that it's a Tupi-Guarani word, what difference does it make?
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Mineiro
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12/01/2002
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That one is easy to solve.
And the answer is on Paraty.com, where else
http://www.paraty.com.br/com-y-ou-i.htm
It was Paratii, it became Paraty, then Parati, but officially now is PARATY
For the whole scoop:
Paraty com "y" ou "i"?
Artigo de Diuner Mello para a Tribuna de Paraty
Com a intenção de esclarecer a controvérsia à respeito da grafia do nome do Município e cidade de Paraty, se com Y ou I, já que as duas formas são normalmente usadas, à seguir explicaremos o que acontece.
Paraty, que na língua tupi, significa "peixe de rio" ou "viveiro de peixes", era o nome que os índios guaianás davam ao local onde hoje se situa a cidade.
Aqui, naquele tempo e ainda hoje, os paratis (peixe de família das tainhas - Mugil Brasiliensis) vem durante o inverno desovar e procriar nos rios que desembocam na baía de Paraty e depois voltam ao mar.
Os colonizadores, por sua vez, mantiveram o antigo nome indígena.
Originalmente, o nome era grafado com dois "i": Paratii, posteriormente, já no século XVIII, aparece a grafia Paraty, com "y", que foi mantida até 1943, quando a Convenção Ortográfica Brasil-Portugal suprimiu o Y do alfabeto português.
A nova grafia não foi aceita pela comunidade paratiense, que, aferrada às suas caras tradições continuava a escrever Paraty.
Esta situação ambígua perdurou até 1972, quando o Senador Vasconcelos Torres, atendendo às solicitaçãoes feitas pelas autoridades locais, apresentou ao Senado Federal o Projeto de Lei no. 25, determinando que a grafia das cidades e monimentos históricos "tivessem os seus nomes expressos na forma ortográfica em que eram escritos antes de 18 de janeiro de 1944". A Comissão de Educação e Cultura, através de seu Relator, o Senador Milton Trindade, quanto ao mérito do projeto de lei, sugere: "...a nossa impressão vai mais longe: nenhuma medida oficial, amparada ou não em lei, conseguirá impedir a grafia de determinado nome continue sendo escrita de determinado modo, se, na verdade, O SEU REGISTRO É O QUE VEM DA TRADIÇÃO HISTÓRICA, IRREMOVÍVEL, SE CONSAGRADA PELO CONSENSO GENERALIZADO DE UMA COMUNIDADE..." ( o grifo é nosso).
O referido projeto de lei foi rejeitado porque os parlamentares acordaram que não se deveria impor às outras cidades históricas a grafia antiga, que poderia não lhes agradar.
Mas acatando a sugestão do Relator Milton Trindade, no Parecer no. 261, transcrito, a comunidade paratiense, através de seus Órgãos Públicos e entidades locais, passou a utilizar papéis timbrados com a grafia PARATY e vem insistindo para que todos passem a utilizar a antiga forma ortográfica.
À semelhança, porém, do que ocorre com o topônimo Bahia (cidade e estado) que é grafado com "h" e a palavra baiano n´~ao é, assim Paraty (cidade município) se escreve com "y", mas paratiense se escrev com "i". isto para se aplicar a Ortografia Brasileira vigente.
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Artigo de autoria de Diuner José Mello para o jornal a Tribuna de Paraty, no dia 07/08/1992.
Material gentilmente cedido pelo Departamento de Comunicação e Marketing da Secretaria de Turismo e Cultura de Paraty.
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Gil
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12/01/2002
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...and the rooms at the Ariau Jungle Tower Lodge are all up in the trees at 3 levels with cat walks between the rooms...monkey and macaws all about...it is really something else and recent pics show they have made tremendous nice improvements. I cannot wait to go again. Inexpensive too.
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Zé
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12/01/2002
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Damned be the paratienses.
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Mattininho
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12/01/2002
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Does anyone know the cheapest airfare I can get to Brazil for the months of May- July? I really want to go to see this lovely Brazilian woman and I need help and tips on how I can get these as inexpensive as possible. She could very well been the one I have been looking for all my life! Anyone's help would be much appreciated!
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Dempsey
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12/01/2002
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Try all the obvious ones -- Travelocity.com, Priceline.com, and the rest. I've yet to find airfare that beats Priceline, if you're willing to put up with the restrictions and/or changes.
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