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Subject: Move to Brasil?


Posted by Sick of America
On Thursday, February 07, 2002 at 05:49:45

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Hello, I'm an American living in Chicago. As my name indicates, I am sick of America. I would like to live in Brasil. I visited last year and I loved it. How does one gain citizenship? If it is difficult, is the Brasilian Immigration authority an aggressive entity as far as finding people living their on visa violations? Could I trade at the BMF in Sao Paulo? (Trading is what I do here in Chicago, so I know the business.) Help, please.
really, what's wrong with you?
Posted by what's wrong with you?
On Friday, February 08, 2002 at 05:54:40

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gee, what is it about America that you are so sick of, that you would prefer a country where millions live in abject poverty, and without any sort of saftey net, violence is way out of control, women and blacks are mistreated daily, (in some areas, you can still kill your wife and get away with it), the economy is always in the toilet, government graft is deeply entrenched, and the beaches are too poluted to swim at (in Rio anyway), and it's hot as blazes most of the time? Boy, America really sucks, don't it.

Wonder why there are so many Brazilians emigrating here? Go figure.
RE: Move to Brasil?
Posted by Sick of America
On Friday, February 08, 2002 at 08:13:08

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Odd....Brasil sounds strangely like America. If I lived in a big city it would be Sao Paulo. And I can deal with heat, try a winter in Chicago. Maybe I should be more clear, sick of Americans might be a better way of putting it....
RE: Move to Brasil?
Posted by get real
On Friday, February 08, 2002 at 08:29:44

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unless you are joking, you are a fool.

Sao Paulo is a big sprawling dirty filthy disorganized chaotic hectic and extremely violent and dangerous place. Good luck.

By the way, the poverty in Brazil is nothing like the poverty in america. I know there is a lot of misery in the US, but I don't believe we have literally millions and millions of people living in shacks on hillsides without plumbing, sanitation, etc.

And I have never been surrounded by young kids begging for change in the USA. Happens everywhere you go in Brazil, except maybe in the touristy areas of Rio. They keep them away from those areas, and don't ask how. You don't want to know.

I suggest you visit a favela in Sao Paulo, by yourself, one day. Let's see how you feel about Americans and Brazilians after that, if you manage to get out alive, that is.

RE: Move to Brasil?
Posted by Sick of America
On Friday, February 08, 2002 at 09:23:13

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You all have such a high opinion of Brasil it makes me wonder why you are even on here. I can offer you the same things in America, ever heard of Appalachia? How about the Robert Taylor Homes in Chicago? You have a better chance in favela than there. I have been to Sao Paulo and I am fully aware of what the place is like. It is like any big city on the planet, you have to know where to go and where not too. I can handle all of that. I like the culture better, it is that simple. Now, does anyone have any suggestions to my original queries?
RE: Move to Brasil?
Posted by braslvr
On Friday, February 08, 2002 at 14:54:52

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Well, while Sao Paulo is one of the last places on the planet that I'd want to live (and I did live there for almost 3 months), I also like the Brazilian culture, a lot. So much that I'm planning on moving there myself one day.

There are 4 ways to get Brazilian citizenship or permanent residence status.
1) Marry a Brazilian.
2) Invest $200,000.US into Brazil (lots of paperwork involved here).
3) Find a company with operations in Brazil that will not only hire you, but will go through the very difficult process of convincing the Brazilian labor minister that you are needed in Brazil.
4) After visitimg, learning Portuguese, and making friends, find the proper channel and bribe someone. I've heard about $10,000.US should do it.

#1 is the easiest of course. #2 would also not necessarily be too bad, but I would rather have my 200K in a US bank, with monthly wire transfers into my Brazilian bank account. #3 is the one I've been working very hard on for 5 years now.

As far as simply dissapearing into society, it can be done, but you would have to keep a VERY low profile. No real job, no real address, etc. The people I've met taught a little English and hawked stuff on the streets and beaches. Oh, and don't plan on going anywhere. Your ID is needed even for a short bus trip. Don't get sick either.

Hope this helps.
RE: Move to Brasil?
Posted by ck
On Friday, February 08, 2002 at 18:36:23

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All this talk of which is better, Brazil or the states...its irrelevant really. It's all one world. Some have the opportunity to live in places where they don't see extreme poverty (ie the U.S.) but this does not make the U.S. a better place, it simply means people are protected from seeing what the world is really like. People who speak poorly of a place because of the poverty need to have their heads examined. A place that is free of poverty, or wealthy, is only that way because someone somewhere is suffering. Ignorance is bliss, and we have many wealthy blissful people here in the U.S.

ck
RE: Move to Brasil?
Posted by ck
On Friday, February 08, 2002 at 18:36:33

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All this talk of which is better, Brazil or the states...its irrelevant really. It's all one world. Some have the opportunity to live in places where they don't see extreme poverty (ie the U.S.) but this does not make the U.S. a better place, it simply means people are protected from seeing what the world is really like. People who speak poorly of a place because of the poverty need to have their heads examined. A place that is free of poverty, or wealthy, is only that way because someone somewhere is suffering. Ignorance is bliss, and we have many wealthy blissful people here in the U.S.

ck
RE: Move to Brasil?
Posted by ck
On Friday, February 08, 2002 at 18:37:02

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All this talk of which is better, Brazil or the states...its irrelevant really. It's all one world. Some have the opportunity to live in places where they don't see extreme poverty (ie the U.S.) but this does not make the U.S. a better place, it simply means people are protected from seeing what the world is really like. People who speak poorly of a place because of the poverty need to have their heads examined. A place that is free of poverty, or wealthy, is only that way because someone somewhere is suffering. Ignorance is bliss, and we have many wealthy blissful people here in the U.S.

ck
RE: Move to Brasil?
Posted by Sick of America
On Saturday, February 09, 2002 at 00:10:36

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Braslvr, thank you for this information it is truly helpful. It is good to see someone who views Brasil much in the same light as I do. As for ck, you were doing so well until the end. Your statment, "A place that is free of poverty, or wealthy, is only that way because someone somewhere is suffering." can only be described as uneducated, simple minded, overused cliched propaganda. You have no fundamental understanding of economics or history. The old saying, a little bit of education is a dangerous thing, truly applies here. But, thanks for participating.
RE: Move to Brasil?
Posted by come on now
On Saturday, February 09, 2002 at 15:05:26

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ok, what exactly is it about Brazilian "culture" versus American "culture" that you like so much better? Like someone up there said, Brazilian culture has produced what? Poverty, misery, bad treatment for women and minorities, and let's see, what else? novelas? The music is good, and the beer is great, the food is pretty good, and people are friendlier, on the surface anyhow, but is that enough reason to renounce your own country?
RE: Move to Brasil?
Posted by braslvr
On Saturday, February 09, 2002 at 16:27:26

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Perhaps culture is not the right word at least from my perspective. And let me say again Sao Paulo is a pit, and I've never seen Rio. My impressions come from the Northeast, where I don't see poor treatment of people based on skin color. Income level maybe. I also don't see women being treated poorly. Different than the US maybe, but not poorly. I agree about the music and the beer, and I'd say the food is outstanding. The people aren't just friendlier, they're indescribably different in many ways. They're more passionate, unselfish, and uninhibited to name a few. As far as reasons to want to live there.... How about the most perfect weather almost anywhere in the world. The ability to have a very high standard of living on a relatively modest fixed income in US dollars. The ability to to live on or very near to beautiful beaches with that modest income. The ability to smoke or drink virtually anywhere, anytime, and many other small freedoms now lacking in the good ol USA. I would never renounce my American citizenship, but I sure as hell want permanent residence status in Brazil. Let's see...Music, beer, food, people, weather, beaches, small personal freedoms, cheap.
RE: Move to Brasil?
Posted by Sick of America
On Saturday, February 09, 2002 at 22:05:03

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I can't agree with braslvr more. I definitely couldn't have said it better. And I would just like to say, I never said I planned to live in Sao Paulo, I said "if" I were to live in a big city. Simply because the BMF is there and that is what I do here. My next trip will be to the Northeast for sure probably Salvador. The Paulistas distaste for the region tells me I might like it. And based on what other Americans tell me of the Northeast I know I will like it.
RE: Move to Brasil?
Posted by Stan
On Tuesday, February 12, 2002 at 09:32:14

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By the way you don't want to live in Sao Paulo.
Try the northeast ! Recife, Fortaleza, Natal for example those are great cities less expensive and far, far less crime.

atelogo
RE: Move to Brasil?
Posted by Randy Paul
On Tuesday, February 12, 2002 at 15:00:18

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I love Brazil, too and plan on retiring there. I'm married to a Brazilian and travel there regularly, having visited the states of and state capitals of São Paulo, Minas Gerais, Rio de Janeiro, Bahia, Pernambuco, Goias, Espírito Santo, Paraná and Paraíba.

I do have to comment on the following statement, however:

"How about the Robert Taylor Homes in Chicago? You have a better chance in favela than there."

One thing that all Brazilians in every region have agreed with me about and all Brazilians living here in New York have also agreed with me about is that while there is poverty here in the US, it is much more endemic in Brazil and it is much easier to rise out of the poverty here than it is there.

If you live in the Robert Taylor Homes, Cabrini Green or any of the Chicago Housing Authority communities, you can get on the El or a bus and go to the public library. You can increase your knowledge, possibly get a scholarship and eventually get into a university, either public or private.

In Brazil, the only city I have been to that has an extensive public library system is Curitiba with its Faróis de Saber (lighthouses of knowledge). As far as getting into a university from a favela, unless your scores are good enough to get into a Public University (which is extraordinarily competitive), your only alternative is an expensive private school. Scholarships are very hard to come by, from what my wife has told me.

Moreover, one of the true growth industries in Brazil are schools that specialize in what is known as Pré-vestibular courses to study for college entrance exams, much like the Kaplan courses here, only on a much larger scale. Very few (if any) favela residents can afford these courses.

To their credit a number of the favelas have done an excellent job of working to improve the lives of their residents. Rocinha, in particular, in Rio de Janeiro is a model for community involvement. But to comment that you have a better chance in a favela - a usually illegal community that receives no assistance from the government - than in the Robert Taylor Homes is simply not borne out by the facts and the history of both places.

By the way, does anyone want to make a guess as to the origin of the term favela?

RE: Move to Brasil?
Posted by Sick of America
On Wednesday, February 13, 2002 at 10:16:34

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Randy Paul, I agree completely with what you are saying. Your points are well taken. I understand the differences between poverty in America and poverty elsewhere in the world. People from the Robert Taylor Homes DO have a better chance. But that was not the point I was making. The point was about safety and what I would think of Brasilians after visiting a favela (assuming I survived). And my point was a comparison between favelas and the Robert Taylor Homes as far as being non-black and entering the area. I am sure the two are equally dangerous, and I was just pointing out the fact that the States can be just as dangerous as Brasil, if you wander into the wrong areas.
RE: Move to Brasil?
Posted by Fernandobn
On Wednesday, February 13, 2002 at 18:05:15

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Hi, I am a Brazilian living in Beaverton Oregon, Brazil as any country in development have a lot of problems, you can’t compare US to Brazil, but if you intend to leave there for a while you need to go with an open mind. Hey, we have injustice corruption and other things but you need to know a little bit of our history to understand a lot of what is going on now. In US in the 50’s and 60’s you could see injustice! In Los Angeles you can find gangs and violent neighborhood too. Each person experience is unique, I know people who used to cry longing to return to Brazil and people who love US so much, who married Americans and have a nice life here. I lived in Rio my hometown for 42 years and I never had any trouble at all. Anyway, here are few sites that you can go to find more information about Brazil
http://www.vivabrazil.com, http://ipanema.com/ and http://darkwing.uoregon.edu/~sergiok/brasil/rio.html#sgovernment
Feel free to contact me for more information

God bless all!

RE: Move to Brasil?
Posted by Fernandobn
On Wednesday, February 13, 2002 at 18:11:22

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Hi, I am a Brazilian living in Beaverton Oregon, Brazil as any country in development have a lot of problems, you can’t compare US to Brazil, but if you intend to leave there for a while you need to go with an open mind. Hey, we have injustice corruption and other things but you need to know a little bit of our history to understand a lot of what is going on now. In US in the 50’s and 60’s you could see injustice! In Los Angeles you can find gangs and violent neighborhood too. Each person experience is unique, I know people who used to cry longing to return to Brazil and people who love US so much, who married Americans and have a nice life here. I lived in Rio my hometown for 42 years and I never had any trouble at all. Anyway, here are few sites that you can go to find more information about Brazil
http://www.vivabrazil.com, http://ipanema.com/ and http://darkwing.uoregon.edu/~sergiok/brasil/rio.html#sgovernment
Feel free to contact me for more information

God bless all!

RE: Move to Brasil?
Posted by bob
On Thursday, February 14, 2002 at 07:08:27

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About 'sick of America' who visited Brazil last year, loved it, and now wants to move there. What's the reality of poverty and social conditions have to do with what this individual has in mind? He probably got laid in Brazil, something he most likely can't do in Chicago.
RE: Move to Brasil?
Posted by bob
On Thursday, February 14, 2002 at 07:08:41

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About 'sick of America' who visited Brazil last year, loved it, and now wants to move there. What's the reality of poverty and social conditions have to do with what this individual has in mind? He probably got laid in Brazil, something he most likely can't do in Chicago.
RE: Move to Brasil?
Posted by zingadoon
On Thursday, February 14, 2002 at 07:09:05

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About 'sick of America' who visited Brazil last year, loved it, and now wants to move there. What's the reality of poverty and social conditions have to do with what this individual has in mind? He probably got laid in Brazil, something he most likely can't do in Chicago.
RE: Move to Brasil?
Posted by Randy Paul
On Thursday, February 14, 2002 at 08:09:59

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Now there's a mature response.
RE: Move to Brasil?
Posted by Sick of America
On Friday, February 15, 2002 at 16:29:59

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I guess Bob or zingadoon or whoever the hell it is views Brasilian women as easy and the only place an American loser can get laid. Just simply another one of those twits on here who sit around and rip on Brasil as if it were some sort of hell hole. God forbid someone actually like the place beyond pruient interests. Anyone can get laid anywhere with a little effort. A concept I am sure that is beyond the grasp of zingabob.
RE: Move to Brasil?
Posted by Pork_Chop_1
On Friday, February 15, 2002 at 17:25:27

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This is an interesting thread.

The posts by 'get real', 'what's wrong with you', and 'brigadoon' show the appaling chauvinism sadly typical of a large number of Americans towards other countries and cultures.

God forbid if someone should actually prefer living permanently in some other cultures other than the good 'ol USA. I'm sure it would be perfectly understandable for these people that EVERYONE would want to be residing in the US; after all this is the land of opportunity, of freedom, blah, blah, blah. I mean everything is so much better here than anywhere else, right?

What these morons don't understand is that the USA is not all that. There are cultures that are freindlier, more passionate, and just SUPERIOR from a human point of view. And some people actually don't mind trading a little bit (or a lot) of the much vaunted American standard of living for some REAL living. A chance to more fully practice and experience all the other aspects of being human that in the end make life more enjoyable.
RE: Move to Brasil?
Posted by braslvr
On Saturday, February 16, 2002 at 01:09:46

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Very well said Pork_Chop_1.
RE: Move to Brasil?
Posted by braslvr
On Saturday, February 16, 2002 at 01:15:58

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And another thing.

One of the very first things I noticed about Brasil was that even the poorest people there were happier and more content and satisfied with their lives than almost all Americans, even rich ones.
RE: Move to Brasil?
Posted by Sick of America
On Saturday, February 16, 2002 at 13:30:29

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As one of my Brasilian friends told me, "We are a happy people." And that they are. How refreshing is that to an American? Enough to make one want to move there, that is for sure.
RE: Move to Brasil?
Posted by get real
On Sunday, February 17, 2002 at 09:22:14

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well, speaking for myself, I was at first just expressing my gut-level shock at someone saying that they were "sick of america." Visions of Taliban John popped into my head, stirring some sort of post 9/11 anger at someone who seemed willing to renounce his own country and all the benefits that come from being an American. But his further posts revealed that this guy didn't really want to renounce America, he just wanted to live some sort of imaginary good life down in the land of tanginhas, caipirinhas, brahma, beaches, and babes. If he can find a way to do that, I say good luck, and I have to add that I am a bit jealous!
Brazil is a marvelous magical place, but of course, just like the USA, it's no paradise, and it has it's share of problems, and some aspects of life down there are not pretty. They do have appalling levels of poverty, and a shocking lack of concern over it, terrible crime problems, never-ending economic woes, and other serious problems that are without argument worse than we have in the USA. But, hey, if you find a way to get a groove on down there and live a satisfying life, well, good for you.
RE: really, why man?
Posted by Cris
On Thursday, February 21, 2002 at 19:50:17

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First of all, I'd like to say I'm so sorry for your ignorance. Brazil can be a poor country, we Do have violance and so many other social problems.

But besides all that, I've never in my life have seen such happy and cult people.

Go to Brazil and ask any question about the world for any poor miserable person, and I bet you they'll know better than you and your stupid close mind.

And about "people living without any sort of saftey net, violence is way out of control, women and blacks are mistreated daily", where did you get these information, man? You must be nuts!

You Kill your wife?? maybe that's what you're about to do with all your agressivity.

And for your information, our economy is now the 8th of the world, and not always in the toilet,as you said.

And our beaches are not poluted, at least, not as much as your mind.

And do you really wanna know why there are so many brazilians living in the States? Just to learn a little more about the world, and take advantage of what THE WORLD has to offer!


RE: Move to Brasil?
Posted by get real, really
On Friday, February 22, 2002 at 11:32:49

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you have your head buried in the sand, my man. All I can say is that I hope it's not the sand on the beaches in Rio - there is some very nasty stuff in there!

And once I did ask a question of a poor miserable person in Santos recently. A bunch of kids were begging outside a bar/restaraunt where I was eating/drinking with some friends. I decided to ask one of the kids how old he was - he looked about 8 or 9. To my dismay, the poor kid didn't even know. That tells you something very sad, doesn't it?


RE: Move to Brasil?
Posted by Cris
On Friday, February 22, 2002 at 16:58:04

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Maybe it was your accent....
RE: Move to Brasil?
Posted by really
On Saturday, February 23, 2002 at 10:23:17

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nao era meu soltaque, nao, po! quando falo sua lingua bonita, quasi ninguem percebe que sou gringo!

your response is a typical one though, revealing the brazilian blind eye to the pobreza all around them. I guess that's how you have to deal with it - pretend it's not there.

as Herbert Vianna put it "d'um lado esse carnaval, d'outro, fome total..."
RE: Move to Brasil?
Posted by George
On Friday, March 01, 2002 at 12:07:07

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Hey, if you really want to move to Brazil, then go ahead. Sure, every country has its problems, some more than others. But dont let people's opinions prevent you from doing something you really want to do. I say that you go ahead and go. Hey you never know, you may turn out to be a great help to some people in Brazil. Good luck!


RE: Move to Brasil?
Posted by George
On Friday, March 01, 2002 at 12:07:13

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Hey, if you really want to move to Brazil, then go ahead. Sure, every country has its problems, some more than others. But dont let people's opinions prevent you from doing something you really want to do. I say that you go ahead and go. Hey you never know, you may turn out to be a great help to some people in Brazil. Good luck!


RE: Move to Brasil?
Posted by George
On Friday, March 01, 2002 at 12:07:25

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Hey, if you really want to move to Brazil, then go ahead. Sure, every country has its problems, some more than others. But dont let people's opinions prevent you from doing something you really want to do. I say that you go ahead and go. Hey you never know, you may turn out to be a great help to some people in Brazil. Good luck!


RE: Move to Brasil?
Posted by Brasileiro
On Saturday, March 02, 2002 at 20:34:20

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"One of the very first things I noticed about Brasil was that even the poorest people there were happier and more content and satisfied with their lives (-> Yeah, they had a meal after 3 days of hunger) than almost all Americans, even rich ones. (-> Stupid people that don't know how lucky they are)"

RE: Move to Brasil?
Posted by braslvr
On Sunday, March 03, 2002 at 05:30:48

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Ah. So the secret to happy contented lives is money. Money may well keep you well fed, or too often, fat, but it certainly does not guarantee happiness. I'd be real surprised if you were in fact a Brasileiro. I'm thinking "troll".
RE: Move to Brasil?
Posted by Brazileiro
On Friday, March 08, 2002 at 21:18:36

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Only a stupid person would think that money brings happiness. Where do u live at? Brasil? US? Where?
RE: Move to Brasil?
Posted by braslvr
On Saturday, March 09, 2002 at 07:46:14

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Make up your mind. I said that most all the poor people I've met in the Northeast of Brasil were more happy and contented with their lives than most all Americans even rich ones. And it's true. You are are saying that Americans are stupid because they are not as contented and happy with their lives as Brasileiros are. Americans are conditioned from birth that the more money they have, the better their lives will be. It causes many of them to forget the true pleasures in life in the pursuit of money, money, money. This does not make them stupid, any more than Brasileiros taking a 2 or 3 or 4 hour lunch(standard procedure) when they could be working and earning more money. Not that it matters, but I am an American who has family in Brasil, and I spend at least 6 weeks per year in the Nordeste.
RE: Move to Brasil?
Posted by Iyainha
On Wednesday, March 13, 2002 at 16:38:52

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I say yes to moving to Brazil! There are still lots of people from other countries moving there. It must be something there in the air that's attracting people. I myself am moving to Bahia in two years and believe me I have a few in family who thinks I'm crazy, but they living the American (lie) dream and still not happy. I'm in a Brazil dance company and pratice Capoeira, so everything I've been doing for the last 10 years has been Brazilian. You really have to check out Bahia, it is the place to be. I've been there three times and each time I just fall in love with it. I have many friends there and they are all locals. So move and enjoy your life!
RE: Move to Brasil?
Posted by Kieran
On Thursday, March 14, 2002 at 12:56:59

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If you are moving to Sao Paulo check out the site www.gringoes.com


RE: Ok, Enough Already
Posted by Pork_Chop_1
On Thursday, March 14, 2002 at 16:05:59

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Ok, this is turning into a really dumb thread.
I don't think that people are going to convince anyone which is the better place to live: Brazil or USA. It's a lot like asking, "which is the better fruit: apple or orange."

Each country has its attractions and repulsions. It's all a matter of which you prefer, despite its faults.

I would just like to address the topic of crime and poverty in Brasil, which seems to be the universally accepted major faults with this country (ok, maybe corruption and graft also).

A lot of violence is very much related to poverty and lack of opportunity, so I'll just focus on poverty. If you were to look at the yearly GNP growth for Brasil since about 1945 to present day, you would see that it has been quite respectable; it has not been stagnent by any means. Now, from 1945 to present, the US population has grown from about 180 million to 280 million: a 56% growth. Brasil, on the other hand went from about 60 million to 175 million: amost a 200% growth. That is, the population nearly tripled! You can see that it would require an enormous rate of yearly GNP growth to just keep pace with the level of PER CAPITA increase in wealth creation as that of the US. Never mind with bridging the gap between the two countries. So you can see the kinds of problems Brasil has been faced.

Brasil's rate of population growth nowadays, however, is much, much lower. Hence, I think that from now on there will be much more resources available to spend of taking care of young people and educating them, and giving them skills, which will eventually translate into less illiterate street kinds roaming the streets asking for a handout, and less unskilled workers and labourers eking out a living on subsistance wages.

Well, that's my thought for the day, you do the dishes.
RE: Move to Brasil?
Posted by Nadelstich
On Thursday, March 14, 2002 at 21:38:43

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USA population in 1945 was 140 million. It reached 180 million in 1960.

RE: Move to Brasil?
Posted by Nadelstich
On Thursday, March 14, 2002 at 22:33:18

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Brasilian population in 1945 was a little over 46 million. It reached 60 million in 1955.

RE: I stand correctd
Posted by Pork_Chop_1
On Friday, March 15, 2002 at 17:29:51

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I stand correctd. Thank you Nadelstich. I was being quite rough with my statistics, but the point I was trying to make is, I believe, still valid (maybe even more so).

So, using your numbers, then:

USA increase: 100
Bazil increase: 280
RE: Move to Brasil?
Posted by Suzanne
On Saturday, October 12, 2002 at 18:57:25

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Life is short...follow your dreams...don't explain them...wasted energy...state in positive terms. What started the fervor was 'sick' of America. Better to express as longing/calling for new adventure. Latin culture is very rich, and enriching. Check out "www.escapeartist.com" for pragmatic advice of expat living. And 'Hide Your Assets and Disappear" bestseller simply for pratical expat banking advice. My son moved to France and became citizen. Where there's a will, etc. Everyone is better for fuller life experience. Good for you for having a dream....follow it con gusto...and spend energy finding info, not defending self. Best of luck---truly. Suzanne, San Francisco
Jose Lorenzo (Batucaje)?? Master Br. Musician
Posted by Cecil Washington, Jr.
On Saturday, November 16, 2002 at 11:38:27

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To: www.brazzil.com



Dear Friends,

Please forward this message to Jose Lorenzo
(founder of Batucaje) or to persons who may
know him or know how to contact him.

If possible, please post this message any
forums that pertain to Brazil.

After moving to NYC, I lost contact with Jose. He then
lived adn worked in the Bay Area (San Francisco, Oakland,
Berkeley...etc). That was a long, long time ago.

If you have any ideas where or how I might contact
Jose, please let me know.

THANKS!

Cecil

Home: 310-631-1322
Toll-free: 1-877-877-4878 Xt 5579 (msgs)

E-mail: cecil.washington@juno.com,
cecil@yahoogroups.com


====================================


Dear Brother Jose !!

It's been a LONG, LONG time !!

I ran across mention of your name in the
rec.music.brazilian group and elsewhere on the
Web...and took this as some sort of divine urging...
I felt I should try to touch base with you.

I hope by some miracle this reaches you.

I will keep this short, until we talk.

Please fill me in on our old friends Victor & Jeannette
Heady (African Art resarchers/promoters of Nigerian Oshogbo
art), Art Monroe (Black painter/artist), Sister Ife,
Sister Riua, et. al. The list is long. Would love to know
how some of our mutual friends are doing.

I was able to do a lot of travel in Africa in 6 trips (including
to 20 countries) that I made since I last saw you.

This was my dream come true!

I will tell you about my visit with Abdul M'Rabet in
Morocco -- I hope you have managed to stay in touch
with him. When you stayed with us on 60th St. in Oakland
(back in the mid 70's), Abdul had hoped someday you and your
entourage would come to Casablanca to do a concert, or
to hold a workshop.

PEACE, my Brother!

Talk to you soon.

Cecil

................

Cecil Washington ("Omowale")
Alum - UC Berkeley

3697 Platt Ave.
Lynwood, CA 90262
(living in the L.A./Downey/Long Beach
area, but I'm in and out of town a lot)

Home: 310-631-1322
Toll-free: 1-877-877-4878 Xt 5579 (msgs)

E-mail: cecil.washington@juno.com,
cecil@yahoogroups.com






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