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Posted by LS
On Tuesday, July 23, 2002 at 17:49:17

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Help me out folks. Put yourself in this situation. You've visited Brazil before and loved the atmosphere. As a matter of fact you have intentions on moving there for a few years once you get situated. But the one and only thing holding you back is the reported increase in crimes in Rio or Sao Paulo (which is where you want to live). Even after hearing of the recent murder of Tim Lopes, you're having second thoughts. WOULD YOU MOVE THERE ANYWAY? Keep in mind that you don't stand out when you go out in public (you know expensive items and things). You also mind your own business and stay out of others and you have no intention on doing things out of the ordinary. As a foreigner, would you feel more vulnerable to attacks from common criminals? What else would you do to keep a low profile? Would you believe everything the media says and how they describe it?

The bad apart about it is, you love that place and people so much that despite everything bad you hear about Brazil, your heart says go on with it but your mind disagrees. Remember that you only want to be there for a few years. Visiting twice a year isn't enough for you.

WHAT WOULD YOU DO????
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Posted by Brazil
On Tuesday, July 23, 2002 at 20:26:42

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I would move there anyways. But you better know how to speak Portuguese, not Spanish. I hope you are not just going there for the women. Some are transvestites and the normal ones will rob you blind while they play with your head.
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Posted by braslvr
On Tuesday, July 23, 2002 at 21:12:29

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I would change my mind about living in SP or Rio, and choose one of the myriad of smaller places and then not have to worry about crime while still having all the good things that Brasil has to offer.
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Posted by BigMike
On Tuesday, July 23, 2002 at 23:43:35

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Well, I'm kind of in your shoes as far as wanting to live in Brazil someday. I was actually in Bahia when Tim Lopes became missing and was in Rio when they found his body. After that and after knowing as much as I do about the crime and the whole socio-economic situation there, I would have to say that I still want to move there for a little to soak it all in.

Ironically, I think the constant threat of crime in Rio actually adds to people's laidback and joyful attitudes. On my way back to the airport, I was talking with the taxi driver about the difference between Brazil and the U.S. and one of the things he said was "I just try to live a good, full life because I know that I could die as easily as the next guy." Now I know that this guy isn't necessarily an example of what the majority of Brazilians think and feel, but I have to say I got a similar impression from just about every Brazilian I've met.

Also, one thing you have to take into consideration is that Tim Lopes was pretty much looking for trouble. It's not like he was just hanging out at a friend's house and some drug guys grabbed him. He was out investigating drug traffickers which can easily get you killed. I doubt such a thing would happen to you the average human walking on the street (unless it was a bad street and/or at night)...and if it did, that's life!

If your safety is such a concern to you, you might want to take "braslvr"'s advice and look into going to smaller cities in Brazil...and Portuguese is even more of a necessity the farther from large cities you get so be prepared.

As for me, I'm going to go out there a few more times to visit different areas to get a better idea of what is there before I decide to try to move there.

Good luck!
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Posted by BigMike
On Tuesday, July 23, 2002 at 23:43:39

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Well, I'm kind of in your shoes as far as wanting to live in Brazil someday. I was actually in Bahia when Tim Lopes became missing and was in Rio when they found his body. After that and after knowing as much as I do about the crime and the whole socio-economic situation there, I would have to say that I still want to move there for a little to soak it all in.

Ironically, I think the constant threat of crime in Rio actually adds to people's laidback and joyful attitudes. On my way back to the airport, I was talking with the taxi driver about the difference between Brazil and the U.S. and one of the things he said was "I just try to live a good, full life because I know that I could die as easily as the next guy." Now I know that this guy isn't necessarily an example of what the majority of Brazilians think and feel, but I have to say I got a similar impression from just about every Brazilian I've met.

Also, one thing you have to take into consideration is that Tim Lopes was pretty much looking for trouble. It's not like he was just hanging out at a friend's house and some drug guys grabbed him. He was out investigating drug traffickers which can easily get you killed. I doubt such a thing would happen to you the average human walking on the street (unless it was a bad street and/or at night)...and if it did, that's life!

If your safety is such a concern to you, you might want to take "braslvr"'s advice and look into going to smaller cities in Brazil...and Portuguese is even more of a necessity the farther from large cities you get so be prepared.

As for me, I'm going to go out there a few more times to visit different areas to get a better idea of what is there before I decide to try to move there.

Good luck!
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Posted by egads
On Wednesday, July 24, 2002 at 05:51:58

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go ahead and move there...

I don't think the criminals target americans (assuming that's what you are) particularly, but they do target money. So don't drive around in your fancy imported Mercedes, hide your big gold chain, dress like a local, stay out of the favelas, stay away from drugs, and you'll probably be fine. Probably. Following those guidelines and using common sense, I would guess your chances of running into serious trouble are only slightly higher than they are in any big american city.

I am one of the most obvious gringos in the world (people just walk up to me in Rio and start speaking English) and when I was in Rio and Sao Paulo recently for a few months, I never had a hint of trouble. Ok, some kids started mocking me once when I was taking pictures in the middle of the road, but I was kind of asking for it by doing that. I even went to an all night party at Mangueira and didn't have any problems.
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Posted by Boris
On Wednesday, July 24, 2002 at 06:08:56

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LS,

While I am not what you would call a dare devil (anymore at least), I find living in Brazil a lot safer and far more rewarding then in any other place.

Making Brazil your homebase involves a lots of adjustments both in your behaviour and attitude. Things are done differently down here; and people, for sure, do not appreciate foreigners telling them how this or that is done in other places. When in Rome... is a solid piece of advice. One of the first thing I would recommend you to do is to learn the ropes as much as possible, get as much insider information as possible, and test it yourself. Slow down your expectation, take for granted that anything you expect to be done today will be done next week or next month; and then be surprised in how much more efficient and professional some of the things work in Brazil. I am referring to medical care and low-level government officials. Brazil is a wonderful country and is well worth all the real and imaginery risks it contains.
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Posted by Jay
On Wednesday, July 24, 2002 at 16:13:00

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Rio is so awesome one just has to keep low and enjoy. Going off of Avenida Atlantica in Copacabna at night is a risk, though finding a safe older taxi driver can allow you to go most places for entertainment. Get some Brasilian friends and take them with you...they are sure to provide knowledge of any local area.

I had a blast at Escola de Samba Salgeurio with my Bras friends...a pile of erotic girls, and can't wait to go again.

I lived in Copa for 2 years and have gone to Brasil 15 times since 1992. New Years and Carnaval are more than can be described...vai vai pra o Brasil e o Rio.
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Posted by LS
On Wednesday, July 24, 2002 at 19:48:54

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Hey everyone, I appreciate your comments.

For the one who thought I was moving there for the girls, you got me all wrong. I love females to death, but there's no way in hell I'll move to another continent because of the girls. But I'm not mad at you though... some of the most beautiful girls live over there.

The reason I want to go there is because I have overseas living experience and I want to experience it again.

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Posted by Rene Hass
On Wednesday, July 24, 2002 at 21:25:49

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LS:

I agree with everything that other people said in their replies to your message.

Let me ask you something: why do you want to live in Rio or So Paulo? Have you considered living somewhere else in Brazil?

Rio and So Paulo are the worst Brazilian cities you could live in. No, I don't want to trigger any angry response by Rio or SP residents who read this. It is just that it is a fact that Rio and Sao Paulo are violent and chaotic cities. I am sure you feel safer anywhere else in our country. Take into consideration cities in the northeast and in the south. You will find violence in them too, but not as dramatic as in Rio and SP.

Rene
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Posted by braslvr
On Wednesday, July 24, 2002 at 22:30:04

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Well said Rene!!

LS, did you know that that usually it costs no more to fly to almost any other city in Brasil than to only fly to Rio or SP? (from the US)
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Posted by Boris
On Thursday, July 25, 2002 at 01:08:16

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Well put, Rene. Many people overlook superior quality of life, lower prices, and 'nicer' environment in many a 'small town Brazil'. Near Rio de Janeiro, I can recommend Petropolis (Especially Itaipava), and Nova Friburgo... In Rio Grande do Sul I really liked Flores da Cunha and Caxias do Sul. The only downside to places above is that they are not as culturally rich or diverse as Rio or SP.
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Posted by thas
On Saturday, August 03, 2002 at 18:24:38

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i think u should come, 2. you will learn how to act to b safe from violence by living here. u will know what places u just shouldn't go, that kinda stuff. just know some brazilian ppl because it's not that hard 2 live here, although things r worse now, with the whole word knowing about tim lopes n stuff:-|
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Posted by thas
On Saturday, August 03, 2002 at 18:24:53

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i think u should come, 2. you will learn how to act to b safe from violence by living here. u will know what places u just shouldn't go, that kinda stuff. just know some brazilian ppl because it's not that hard 2 live here, although things r worse now, with the whole word knowing about tim lopes n stuff:-|
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Posted by thas
On Saturday, August 03, 2002 at 18:25:00

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i think u should come, 2. you will learn how to act to b safe from violence by living here. u will know what places u just shouldn't go, that kinda stuff. just know some brazilian ppl because it's not that hard 2 live here, although things r worse now, with the whole word knowing about tim lopes n stuff:-|
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Posted by Brasilian Guy
On Monday, August 05, 2002 at 21:07:41

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Hey guy, im a brasilian and i have 24 years old, ive never been robbed and i live in a big house near the slum. Ive meet some of the people who live there and i found out that they just wanna live their lives...

Its just a matter of luck, with whom you walk and talk, just pick the right ones and anything goes really fine.

We are basically a people that admire other culture, we love to meet foreigns and we always treat then really nice, cause the most of us sees other people, no matter the language or fysical type, as our selfs, dont forget theres exceptions, and really bad ones, so come on man, pack it up and join the club, come to Brazil! You and any body else are the most welcome!!
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Posted by Don
On Wednesday, August 07, 2002 at 02:32:24

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LS,

NEWS REPORT:
Millions of people in Brazil SURVIVED another day! One of them could have been you.

All you hear on the news is BAD news, there's some GOOD news for ya! Hey.. go for it! Good Luck!
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Posted by thiago
On Tuesday, September 10, 2002 at 09:01:11

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hey man, what are you saying!!!!! of course you have to move if you want. it's not so dangerous as the midia says. I assure you. I live here in Rio, I'm carioca and can assure that if you are in doubt about So Paulo or Rio, come here. SP is very much dangerous. an here we have prettier, much prettier, gilrs.
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Posted by Suzanne
On Saturday, October 12, 2002 at 19:14:37

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1)Never live from fear---very limiting/constricting, reflects mistrust in self and universe. A giganic ball of frozen urine falling 36,000 from a overhead jet could crash through your roof in safe suburbia and snuf ya as you sleep.
2) Be smart, savvy, well-informed, life is to be lived richly. You already know not to stand out or put self in dangerous situation. Know the language and culture--be street smart, aware. Maybe take a martial art or street fighting---just makes you feel more secure in self.
3). Read "Hide Your assets and Disappear" good advice about blending in and being safe.
"To Life!" N o one with any balls ever said "To Safety!"
Suzanne

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