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Subject: How do you feel about ......


Posted by Patinho
On Sunday, September 08, 2002 at 19:34:02

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ok... here's my second survey question. OPEN to Brazilian's only.

I am curious to know how do Brazilians feel about Americans wanting to immigrate to Brazil. Not for a visit, but to live permanently. Illegally or legally. What's your opinion Brazil?
RE: How do you feel about ......
Posted by Just me...
On Sunday, September 08, 2002 at 20:08:56

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I hope I'm not imposing but Patinho I am curious to know how do you feel about it. I am not Brazilian nor American, but I am interested in moving to Brazil.

Thanks.....
RE: How do you feel about ......
Posted by Patinho
On Sunday, September 08, 2002 at 23:07:10

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Just Me,

I am an American, and I would have to say that I have mixed feelings about it. My dream is to someday live in Brazil, so a big part of me is for it. Yet, if I was to get and hold a job in Brazil, (knowing the unemployment rate) I could not help feeling guilty that I am taking a job that could be held by a Brazilian. So I do not want to be putting the countrymen that I am so fond of, out of work.
Also, I have many Brazilian freinds here in America and many that want to come here because of the jobs, low cost of goods, etc, etc... I think it would almost be a slap in the face to them who have worked so hard to get here, and now here I am, more than willing to give up all these privelages. Perhaps when I am old enough to retire and live there on my own money, I would not feel so bad. However... I wish to go within the next few years while I am still "young and carefree", for lack of a better expression. Anyway... that's my opinion. Thanks for the reply.
RE: How do you feel about ......
Posted by Just me...again
On Monday, September 09, 2002 at 09:54:29

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I am in the same shoes as you. I would love to go to Brasil and live. But one day I read a post about a scenario where an American would take a job from a Brazilian. It made me think for a moment. I don't want to take any opportunities from any one either.

This may sound far fetched but do you think it is possible to create opportunities for the
unemployed over there? I have a degree in Computer Science and am currently working on a certification program. I can go a lot of different directions with a CIS degree. I am also aware that the entire world needs to be computer literate to compete nowadays, so that presents an opportunity for me and them if you can see where I'm coming from.

I realize how considerate that is for you to think of those issues.
RE: How do you feel about ......
Posted by Big Mike
On Tuesday, September 10, 2002 at 12:18:31

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I agree for the most part, but on the other hand...

What if you got a job in Brasil teaching English or being a go-between for American and Brazilian companies? Those are things that are valuable for Brasil and who better to teach English than an English speaker? I would say the same for Brazilians coming to America to work.

I think if you were to find a job that would help Brasil in some way, then it's all good. I'm wanting to live out there for a year or so someday just to check everything out. If I was to get a job there, I'd want it to do something useful with my particular abilities and not just be a clerk in an office or something like that which could be done by a Brazilian.

Besides, I just want to get the hell out of the U.S. before I need a barcode on my forehead to prove I'm not a subversive!
RE: How do you feel about ......
Posted by Big Mike
On Tuesday, September 10, 2002 at 12:18:35

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I agree for the most part, but on the other hand...

What if you got a job in Brasil teaching English or being a go-between for American and Brazilian companies? Those are things that are valuable for Brasil and who better to teach English than an English speaker? I would say the same for Brazilians coming to America to work.

I think if you were to find a job that would help Brasil in some way, then it's all good. I'm wanting to live out there for a year or so someday just to check everything out. If I was to get a job there, I'd want it to do something useful with my particular abilities and not just be a clerk in an office or something like that which could be done by a Brazilian.

Besides, I just want to get the hell out of the U.S. before I need a barcode on my forehead to prove I'm not a subversive!
RE: How do you feel about ......
Posted by Patinho
On Tuesday, September 10, 2002 at 13:24:16

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yea... but remember when it comes to employment.... "beggers can not be choosers".... so if that "clerk" job is the only thing you can find.... I bet you'll take it. (Just food for thought)
RE: How do you feel about ......
Posted by ME AGAIN...
On Wednesday, September 11, 2002 at 06:19:40

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Big Mike,

Good point. Any job where both will benefit can't hurt any body.
RE: How do you feel about ......
Posted by Pork_Chop_1
On Wednesday, September 11, 2002 at 16:19:03

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Are you guys all fuckin NUTS!!!

First of all, if you are going to Brazil without a work permit - in other words, working illegally - then you are already breaking the law! So why all the guilty consciences about taking a job from a Brazilian? Seems to me like duplicitous morality.

And if you do have a work permit, then the authorities have also said in effect, 'OK, get a job.' So why all the brow-beating?

You dorks all sound like a bunch of duplicitous liberal motherfuckers. Sickening.
RE: How do you feel about ......
Posted by To Pork_Chop_1...
On Wednesday, September 11, 2002 at 19:25:18

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Hahaha. What's wrong with people debating how their actions are going to affect the country they want to live in? I never thought I was "liberal" but if that means thinking about what you do and your actions' ramificatins before you do it, then I guess I am! Maybe more Americans could stand to be in this defenition of "liberal"!

Also, I think it is assumed that everyone would be working in Brazil legally. The only way working illegally in a country would be at all excusable is if the country you worked in was a lot better of than your home country and you were trying to pay for your family. Obviously no one going from the U.S. to work in any other country has this situation.

So when you cut all the bullshit out of your post, you make a good point. The government would be giving you permission to work so they would have to feel that you couldn't do any harm!
RE: How do you feel about ......
Posted by ME ONCE MORE
On Wednesday, September 11, 2002 at 19:56:25

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- This goes to Pork_Chop_1 who posted his comment at 4:19 pm on 9/11 (That is if there are 2 different Pork_Chop_1s)

Hey Pork_Chop_1, it's motherfuckas like you I wish I could meet in person and slap the SHIT out of you (You aren't even worth punching because you are a BITCH). Can't we talk about something without assholes like you buttin in. Shit, we're expressing our views and concerns that's all. And dammit, who the hell said something about working illegally dummy?

-MIND YOUR FUCKING BUSINESS HOE!
RE: How do you feel about ......
Posted by Patinho
On Wednesday, September 11, 2002 at 21:37:50

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gee... I don't think I've gotten one reply from a Brazilian yet....
RE: How do you feel about ......
Posted by FernandoBN
On Thursday, September 12, 2002 at 14:00:04

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Hey Patinho,

I am Brazilian and I've been living in US for almost five years. I do not have any problem about american working in Brazil. I've met lots of americans working for american companies there. If you have the expertise and if you are good in what you are doing why not! I am considering to move back because here in US with lots of .com's and eron's and worldcom's breaking down is almost impossible for an alien to find a job and a sponsorship to work. Nobody is hiring H-1B visas anymore! If you are lucky enough to stay in a contract with the same company who is sponsoring you for 2 years or more you might be able to get a greencard. Maybe if I go back I have the chance to find something there. I am graduated in Electrical Engineering and Computer Science, I have 20 years of experience in IT area. I have lots of americans friends who are unemployed too since september last year. This problem of unemployment is global, I think! It is everywhere. Whould be nice to find an american employer in Brazil, work in Brazil with an american salary!! There is another problem if you are an experienced IT worker over 40's you will be replaced by a younger worker with less experience less expensive, This is true in US, Brazil and I think everywhere!
RE: How do you feel about ......
Posted by Brazilian
On Thursday, September 12, 2002 at 20:48:28

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Fernando wrote:

..."There is another problem if you are an experienced IT worker over 40's you will be replaced by a younger worker with less experience less expensive, This is true in US, Brazil and I think everywhere!"...

Fernando, and mainly in Brazil! When you have 28 years old you already are discriminated and loose the job in almost all areas.

If Patinho wants to move to Brazil, then he will be welcome mainly if he wants to open a business and he will bring U$ to Brazil. In case contrary, the competition in Brazil is already so wild either the own Brazilians and one alien only will get a job legalized if he is a hiper specialist in some area and there is an employer wanting to hire the alien for a temporary work until to find another person that is less expensive and accept any offer of job and work 10 hours per day without to receive additional salaries in reais and in the Standard of Brazilian salaries.

For a turist or traveler in Brazil, anything is nice and great... But, to live and to work in Brazil is not a sea of roses how many of this forum think to be.

People in this board should ask to Boris how is working legally in Rio de Janeiro City. He has a H-1B of temporary work or he has a small business where he has invested money in Brazil? Americans interested to move to Brazil should ask to Boris about this situation and how is the real life in Brazil for any body who earn a salary in reais.

RE: How do you feel about ......
Posted by Brazilian
On Thursday, September 12, 2002 at 20:48:49

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Fernando wrote:

..."There is another problem if you are an experienced IT worker over 40's you will be replaced by a younger worker with less experience less expensive, This is true in US, Brazil and I think everywhere!"...

Fernando, and mainly in Brazil! When you have 28 years old you already are discriminated and loose the job in almost all areas.

If Patinho wants to move to Brazil, then he will be welcome mainly if he wants to open a business and he will bring U$ to Brazil. In case contrary, the competition in Brazil is already so wild either the own Brazilians and one alien only will get a job legalized if he is a hiper specialist in some area and there is an employer wanting to hire the alien for a temporary work until to find another person that is less expensive and accept any offer of job and work 10 hours per day without to receive additional salaries in reais and in the Standard of Brazilian salaries.

For a turist or traveler in Brazil, anything is nice and great... But, to live and to work in Brazil is not a sea of roses how many of this forum think to be.

People in this board should ask to Boris how is working legally in Rio de Janeiro City. He has a H-1B of temporary work or he has a small business where he has invested money in Brazil? Americans interested to move to Brazil should ask to Boris about this situation and how is the real life in Brazil for any body who earn a salary in reais.

RE: How do you feel about ......
Posted by Brazilian
On Thursday, September 12, 2002 at 20:50:04

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Fernando wrote:

..."There is another problem if you are an experienced IT worker over 40's you will be replaced by a younger worker with less experience less expensive, This is true in US, Brazil and I think everywhere!"...

Fernando, and mainly in Brazil! When you have 28 years old you already are discriminated and loose the job in almost all areas.

If Patinho wants to move to Brazil, then he will be welcome mainly if he wants to open a business and he will bring U$ to Brazil. In case contrary, the competition in Brazil is already so wild either the own Brazilians and one alien only will get a job legalized if he is a hiper specialist in some area and there is an employer wanting to hire the alien for a temporary work until to find another person that is less expensive and accept any offer of job and work 10 hours per day without to receive additional salaries in reais and in the Standard of Brazilian salaries.

For a turist or traveler in Brazil, anything is nice and great... But, to live and to work in Brazil is not a sea of roses how many of this forum think to be.

People in this board should ask to Boris how is working legally in Rio de Janeiro City. He has a H-1B of temporary work or he has a small business where he has invested money in Brazil? Americans interested to move to Brazil should ask to Boris about this situation and how is the real life in Brazil for any body who earn a salary in reais.


RE: How do you feel about ......
Posted by Brazilian
On Thursday, September 12, 2002 at 20:50:41

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Fernando wrote:

..."There is another problem if you are an experienced IT worker over 40's you will be replaced by a younger worker with less experience less expensive, This is true in US, Brazil and I think everywhere!"...

Fernando, and mainly in Brazil! When you have 28 years old you already are discriminated and loose the job in almost all areas.

If Patinho wants to move to Brazil, then he will be welcome mainly if he wants to open a business and he will bring U$ to Brazil. In case contrary, the competition in Brazil is already so wild either the own Brazilians and one alien only will get a job legalized if he is a hiper specialist in some area and there is an employer wanting to hire the alien for a temporary work until to find another person that is less expensive and accept any offer of job and work 10 hours per day without to receive additional salaries in reais and in the Standard of Brazilian salaries.

For a turist or traveler in Brazil, anything is nice and great... But, to live and to work in Brazil is not a sea of roses how many of this forum think to be.

People in this board should ask to Boris how is working legally in Rio de Janeiro City. He has a H-1B of temporary work or he has a small business where he has invested money in Brazil? Americans interested to move to Brazil should ask to Boris about this situation and how is the real life in Brazil for any body who earn a salary in reais.



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