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How Arab Immigrants Got a Chance at the Brazilian Dream PDF Print E-mail
2008 - November 2008
Written by Marina Sarruf   
Monday, 17 November 2008 03:43

Rua 25 de Março in São Paulo, Brazil, the Arabs street Sociologist Oswaldo Truzzi from Brazil pointed out at the seminar "The Arab Contribution to Ibero-American Identities", in Rio de Janeiro, that the economic growth of Arab immigrants in Brazil allowed them to follow political careers. "Political careers were the result of the social and economic mobility they had in Brazil," said Truzzi, who wrote his doctoral thesis through the University of Campinas (Unicamp) based on the Arab immigration to Brazil.

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What “type” of Arab Immigrants? Serious Caution for South American Administrations
written by Augustus, November 17, 2008
Unfortunately I have a major limitation: my proclivity to equate “Arab” with “Islamic”. While such automatic analogy may be occasionally incorrect (since most Syrians and Lebanese in Brazil are mercifully not Muslims), and although Latin American societies (especially Brazil) tend to exert moderating influences upon its immigrants, whenever I read ANY editorial regarding the increased introduction of Middle Eastern immigrants into its “mostly peaceful” societies, I feel OBLIGATED to raise the RED FLAG in order to warn Brasilia, Santiago or any other regional capital of the potential cancer which ISLAM represents to western civilizations…

Considering that the majority of Latin Americans belong to disenfranchised lower classes – without opportunities and exposure to decent education – and considering the speed by which these elements are succumbing to the appalling teachings of evangelical groups, I consider it extremely dangerous to indirectly expose these poor ignorant sectors of society to the hateful, divisive, intolerant teachings of ISLAM.

Because a theoretical Islamic conversion of large numbers of Latin Americans is not only possible but almost inevitable IF large numbers of Middle Eastern elements continue being introduced, I URGE all local governments (especially Brasilia) to seriously reflect upon the potentially undesirable outcome of irresponsible immigration policies. While I would encourage liberal immigration policies (to attract talented individuals who might contribute to the advance of South American countries – as suggested by ch-c), there should be a FILTER in place in order to avoid the grave error committed in Europe during the 20th Century (as most Western European countries now have to deal with the spread of hate, intolerance, & hideous crime in light of the huge number of Muslims in their midst).

South America – as it’s presently constituted - already has a myriad of very serious issues which its governments must tackle and resolve (such as poverty, ignorance, social inequality, homelessness, extreme corruption – to mention just a few); therefore, these various Latin administrations should take every possible step to avoid the complete exacerbation of their problems by permitting the introduction and dissemination of repulsive and conflict-ridden principles of the most hateful, divisive, and potentially criminal of all religions!
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Augustus
written by João da Silva, November 17, 2008
Unfortunately I have a major limitation: my proclivity to equate “Arab” with “Islamic”.


I wholeheartedly agree with your "self confession" about your "major limitation". However, you have plenty of time to get rid of it, as one of your greatest virtues is "fast learning" and "analytical capacity". smilies/cheesy.gif
LUCIANA MORAD is a role model in career
written by John Major, November 17, 2008
''How Arab Immigrants Got a Chance at the Brazilian Dream?''


Ask Luciana Morad, Brazilian fashion model who sucked M. Jagger's penis and used his sperm to make her baby, yuck!
How Arab Immigrants Got a Chance at the Brazilian Dream !!!!!
written by ch.c., November 17, 2008
1) funny that now Brazil is APPARENTLY A DREAM COUNTRY ! If so why a)so much poverty, b)so much crimes, c)need to borrow in foreign currencies, d)the world highest interests rates, e)so many favelas, f)one of the world highest social inequality ?????????? I could continue for many more....if one wishes !

2) What about the White Skins BRAZILIANS idiots who are not Indians origins....by definition.....on this "Brazilian Dreams" ? I am talking about the article writer specifically, but why not about ALL non indians Brazilians, including All the Da Silva...for example - with smiles !
Are you sure BOTH ARE NOT also immigrants ss the Da Silva (Joao) and the Da Silva corrupted to the roots from one point in history ?

3) When is someone DECLARED BRAZILIAN ONCE AND FOR ALL ....using the brazilian PERMANENT filthy views AND ANALYSIS ?
As said earlier, is the Da Silva I hate, and the one I like not from a foreign origin at one point in history ??????

And what about ALL these brazilians such as IMMIGRANT Sociologist Oswaldo Truzzi NOT from Brazil....but about... the brazilian sociologist Oswaldo Truzzi...an immigrant HIMSELF by his father, grand father or whatever ! Not the same AT ALL !!!!
Just think about it.
It is worth !

I always laugh when White Brazilians IMMIGRANTS...write about HOW NICE THEY were to accept OTHER immigrants....europeans, arabs or japanese...when they were themselves IMMIGRANTS !!!!

Cheater remain cheaters, liars remain liars, manipulators remain manipulators...UNTIL PROVEN OTHERWISE !!!!!!

Let me state finally that the USA is certainly a much better DREAM COUNTRY that Brazil is !
Just ask to the millions of Brazilians origins residing in the USA, even if they are by now Americans.
But feel free to also ask yourself why are millions of brazilians ILLEGALLY in the USA and not in the DREAM COUNTRY THAT THEIR OWN COUNTRY IS.
AND ALSO FEEL FREE to ask the even more millions Brazilians actually in Brazil...if they would prefer to reside in Europe or the USA, instead of Brazil !

Amazing that people apparently living in a dreaming country are READY TO PAY US$ 10'000...TO BE SMUGGLED ILLEGALLY.....OUT OF PARADISE...TO ENTER HELL !!!!!!

Something doesnt add ! IT IS RATHER STINKY AND SMELLY...AS USUAL !!!!!

And to my knowledge, it is these Brazilians White Skins who are licking the ass of the arabs, in the hope of getting some infrastructure contracts...in their countries. Because of course, it is proven that building infrastructure IN BRAZIL....doesnt make SENSE
for these IDIOTS !
Same for grains exports : better to export than feed better their 50 millions of under nourrished citizens. Exports brings more profits...so why care about their own under priviledged citizens.

Lets face it, Brazil is A DREAM COUNTRY for corrupted people and criminals. Nothing ever happens to these bad behaviour in Brazil.
They even get elected...and re-elected ! IMPUNITY is the norm from them, guaranteed by the various Brazilians Courts of INJUSTICE !

And the corrupted emperors can even say : I WANT HER...as my successor !!!! (Lula...texto)

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Supplementing my previous entry vis-à-vis CH-C's entry
written by Augustus, November 17, 2008
In my rush to express my anti-Islamic views I overlooked mentioning the SELF-DELUSIONAL use of "dream country" by the author when referring to Brazil... Indeed, how can one utilize this terminology for a nation which unfortunately has extreme levels of corruption and inequality?

Perhaps the author was utilizing Dream Country for Brazil bearing in mind immigrants from Bangladesh, Mozambique and Haiti smilies/grin.gif
JOAO - the idealist
written by Augustus, November 17, 2008
Your idealism makes you appear more like a "Dreamer"...

If most western individuals continue refraining from understanding the potential threat posed by the Islamic Nemesis (refusing to acknowledge their true nature and remaining strictly politically correct), he/she may potentially endanger his/her nation or even the entire Western World!

Borrowing the historic “Domino Theory" regarding the Communist used in the 1970's & 1980's warning against the Soviet Union, I do not hesitate using the symbol a “failed conclusion” (which a critic may utilize against me), for in this case the threat is REAL, for it is based on the maniacal, unquestioned belief of millions of fanatics (who fight in the name of what they consider holy) as opposed to analogous communist threat which was based on pure Ideological Indoctrination...
EXEMPLE OF ISLAMIC MOSTRUOSITY
written by Augustus, November 17, 2008
On NOV 16, 2008, BBC Brasil provided an excellent editorial (which I copied for my records) which can be used as a token, an example of the type of “monstrous deeds" which Islamic Fundamentalists are capable of inflicting upon not only infidels but to fellow citizens who refuse to abide to their absurd views, whenever & wherever they find themselves in the majority...
Islamistas chicoteiam 32 na Somália por dança mista--Um porta-voz islamista na cidade de Balad, disse que o grupo- formado por 25 mulheres e sete homens- ignorou várias advertências de que dançar em conjunto é proibido pelo islamismo-

Could there be a more abhorant group?
Not unlike Christians in Europe during the 16th & 17th Centuries...

Now... Can you just IMAGINE what type of tortures they would implement in the sexually permissive society of Brazil?
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Perhaps the author was utilizing Dream Country for Brazil bearing in mind immigrants from Bangladesh, Mozambique and Haiti
written by ch.c., November 17, 2008
Ohhh Noooo....Augustus !
Mostly...from Angola during the Brazilian Dream Days of.....SLAVERY !
Immigrants from Angola are much better. Why ?
They dont need Portuguese courses !
And they were not "invited" to come to Brazil, but forced !

Hmmmmmm....I dont smile !

This said I doubt than Angolans will ever decide to go to Brazil !
Why ?
Have you already looked at the real estate prices in Luanda ? One of the World Highest !
Cost of living...also one of the world highest.
In 2007 renting an acceptable 1 bedroom appartement...US dollars 5'000.- MINIMUM (Noooooooo typing mistake)

Why do you believe LULA went there ? And some Brazilians governments missions too ! And "suddenly" WANTS to help to develop their small and poors farmers ?
Why do you believe that Robin the Crook "apologized for the past" to Angolans ?
Why do you believe that Robin the Crook wants "suddenly" to be BROTHER TO ANGOLANS ?????

MY EYE !

Think about it ! The obvious remains obvious : cheaters always cheat, liars always lie, and hiders always hide !
Proven once more !


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Now... Can you just IMAGINE what type of tortures they would implement in the sexually permissive society of Brazil?
written by ch.c., November 17, 2008
Ohhh....yessss.... !
impale the infidels...until they are dried by the sun !

And with the ZEBI (male sex) skin : you can make a small purse for their women jewelries. And when they need to go to the supermarket...they caress the skin of their purse...to make it as large
as needed for their food and home purchases !!!!!

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furthermore...to the ZEBI
written by ch.c., November 17, 2008
this is what is called a...
Magical LEATHER ZEBI BAG !!!!! As big or small one wants depending of how they manipulates it.
Certainly very practical.
It doesnt take much place in a small pocket and can still be used as bags for food purchases in supermarkets !!!!

Certainly better than a latex condom !

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Augustus
written by João da Silva, November 17, 2008
JOAO - the idealist


I am in a way an idealist as I just refuse to get carried away by the hatred spewed by the media and the politicians against religions, races,etc; to fill up their own pockets by putting one human being against another. I believe in "Brain Power", regardless of the color, religion, nationality, etc; of an individual.

The biggest problem with our country is that we came out of our long sleep (Of Rip Van Winkle) and find ourselves exposed to Globalization. Unfortunately we do not know how to handle it, YET. We will learn it the hard way, SOON.

As you are well aware, the term "Islamo-Fascist" was coined by Bush to put the fear of Mohammedans into the minds of the Americans. Some Brazilians went for it and a majority gets amused and demands to know "Why would the Turcos do such horrible things". It is reality and a vast majority is unwilling to buy into this "Islamo-Fascist" business. May be you have forgotten that Brazil is a secular country that allows all the religions to be practiced (our constitution guarantees it).

So my question: Why does my tolerance of other religions make me an "idealist" or "dreamer"?

Augustus
written by João da Silva, November 17, 2008
Oh, Augustus, I forgot to tell you. I am seriously thinking of making a movie "João Ninguém da Arabia". smilies/grin.gif
Ch.C
written by João da Silva, November 18, 2008
Have you already looked at the real estate prices in Luanda ? One of the World Highest !
Cost of living...also one of the world highest.
In 2007 renting an acceptable 1 bedroom appartement...US dollars 5'000.- MINIMUM (Noooooooo typing mistake)


Are you saying that the rent for an one bed room apartment in Luanda is Five Thousand U.S. Dollars PER MONTH? If so, what sort of amenities does it have? Air Conditioned, centrally heated, furnished, etc;?

What is the profile of the tenants? If the real estate price in Luanda is so high, I am sure the rich from Angola can easily come to Brazil to buy properties!
Yessssssss...US$ 5000.- MINIMUM...PER MONTH !!!!!
written by ch.c., November 18, 2008
The profile of the tenants ?
Simple :
EXPATS....working for foreign companies such as....PETROBRAS...ETC ETC !!!!
Remember that the city was TOTALLY DESTROYED....by years and years of civil war !
And suddenly they found...OIL...and more...OIL !
But Noooooo decent housings for the foreign workers (engineers...etc etc)

Feel free to read by yourself just by typing LUANDA ANGOLA COST OF LIVING...at Google or Yahoo and you will read many articles and comments on the subject !

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This said, I heard that some expats managers IN FINANCES OR IT OR ENGINEERING, SOME got US$ 17'000.- per month ONLY for housing allowances..... in SINGAPORE !!!!!
READY FOR MORE ?
...and paid by the government when it was for local banks or local financial firms or industrial companies, not paid by the employers !

WELLL ALL THIS WAS FOR 2007 AND EARLY 2008 AND NOW....I HAVE NO IDEA !

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Extreme Liberalism leads to Extreme Loss & Destruction – ever heard of Arthur Neville Chamberlain? - the true EXTENT of my opposition!
written by Augustus, November 18, 2008
Sorrowfully I must strongly object my your position, Milord! If you refer to your World History Book you will find innumerable examples of atrocities caused by mankind based on ideals, greed and particularly due to religions obsession. Likewise recent Western History clearly demonstrates what may result from capitulation to monsters taking into account “humanistic considerations” (to which animalized former humans do not deserve).

I am in a way an idealist as I just refuse to get carried away by the hatred spewed by the media and the politicians against religions, races,etc; to fill up their own pockets by putting one human being against another


If there had not been so clear examples available to analysis, such as Chamberlain's legacy - which is marked by his appeasement policy (Munich Agreement in 193smilies/cool.gif which does not appear to be much unlike the underlying considerations you base your point of view… His highly objectionable “general policy of appeasement" whereby he attempts to deal with Nazi Germany in civilized terms through diplomacy (an idealist like Joao) – he actually conceded part of Czechoslovakia to Adolf Hitler – clearly demonstrate that Monsters of any type, race, nationality in any age should deal with accordingly: to strike them (rapidly) utilizing equivalent (if not redoubled) methods (and intensity) which the Monsters would certainly strike you (without a shiver of hesitation)!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

As you are well aware, the term "Islamo-Fascist" was coined by Bush to put the fear of Mohammedans into the minds of the Americans.


Excellent expression – quite frankly I never hear it before… I only wish I had coined it myself! Fear not for I was NOT influenced by the despicable George Bush! Way before any formal invasion of Afghanistan was announced, I was working in the background (as I used to have a hectic social life back them) strongly preaching immediate attack against Islam without any reservation or consideration thereby raising the spirits of my exceedingly liberal former acquaintances.
Some Brazilians went for it and a majority gets amused and demands to know "Why would the Turcos do such horrible things".

Brazilians would be far better off and BELIEVE ME that those monsters DO SUCH HORRIBLE things and THEN SOME. Had you been in my place at my office in September 11, 2001 and personally witness the second strike of the Islamic terrorist attack… Had you personally know individuals who sorrowed the loss of their relatives at your shoulders, while at the same time witness the destruction of amazing ancient temples with explosives, while beating their unfortunate submissive females, and executing communists and homosexuals in public square… PERHAPS… Just perhaps you might BEGIN to comprehend how I TRULY feel about the Islamic animals.

(Thinking about Islam makes ponder with “saudades” the talks of Neutron bomb which I used to read about when I was an adolescent… Whatever happened to those effective devices which, if my memory servers are capable of destroying only organic matter, while preserving the existing structures… One can always dream of a perfect world!

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ch-c - brief remarks
written by Augustus, November 18, 2008
Think about it ! The obvious remains obvious : cheaters always cheat, liars always lie, and hiders always hide !
Proven once more !

...and Fundamentalists will remain HATEFUL
...and Relgious Fanatics will remain ABONINABLE
...and ISLAM will remain INTOLERABLE and INADMISSIBLE! smilies/angry.gif smilies/angry.gif

While I learn to understand your abhorance for Brazil and Brazilians, hopefully you may consider retributing by comprehending my abhorance for ISLAM and Fundamentalist Muslins...

Ohhh....yessss.... !
impale the infidels...until they are dried by the sun !

Well ch-c, as much as I understand your hate of Brazilians... TRUST ME they would have Brazil for desert after the destroyed Western Europe and North America (following torture and rape, no doubt)
as for their impaling Brazilians... NOT BEFORE I get them first, should I have a chance... smilies/angry.gif smilies/angry.gif
"After-thought" for Joao
written by Augustus, November 18, 2008
Joao
Would you be acquainted with a classic (silly) American Movie from the 1940's about an "Angel" who is sent to Earth for good deeds? LOL

For some (absurd) reason, I just recalled a particular line from this production (which transpires when the “angel” explains the cause of “mysterious bells” to surprised girl immediately after she hears the sound - which emanates from nowhere). Well, I just had to log back into this site to convey to you that I had conveniently "adapted" such line from the Film vis-à-vis to the overall "tone" of our current ideological exchange...

Modifying the film's line "Every time I learn, hear or read about any successful conclusion of either a ‘productive’ interrogation in Guantanamo and/or allied “military procedure" in either Iraq or Afghanistan – it’s like hearing that bell and a little ‘angel’ gets his wings" LOL (at that point the movie provides the background jolly sound of a “bell")
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interesting line of thought, augustus
written by asp, November 18, 2008
i may not agree with everything you are saying , but, many things ring true..

many people may not have noted but there was more anti jewish sentiment in the usa before 9/11 than anti muslim. most people might have had a joke about a rich arab sheik or something, but, americans seemed to hardly give it much more thought...until after 9/11

based exactly on the description you gave, of 9/11, i have been fighting my prejudices ever since.for sure , since then, im tired of having so much newly gained knowledge of taliban, islamic fundimentalism, madrasas in pakistan, wazuri, shiite, sunni,hamas, hezbulah , wasami etc...i really never wanted it..i much prefer to understand the dynamic that is affecting sub sahara africa...the more people try to expose us to the cultural life of islam in the world, the more i try to be understanding and be tolerant , but, i keep coming to the conclusion that it definitly isnt for me or doesnt interest me ( i do try to maintain a fundimental respect for all cultures in the world).

i find your analasys interesting, i might not subscibe to it all the way, but,i do find it interesting , this surge in islamic culture in brazil, mainly by people who want to thumb their noses at bush america. for sure there would be serious clashes in culture, especialy the precious brazilan sensuality versus the uptight closed muslim role for women and how they are suposed to dress... i would hope brazilians would fight tooth and nail to the biter end to maintain their sensuality which is one of the true treasures in the world

where i find that a muslim cultural revolution in brazil maybe something hard for me to imagine, i certainly am paying attention to your statements and will remember them if it ever starts happening
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written by asp, November 18, 2008
...actualy,im really hoping that brazilian women will fight tooth and nail until the bitter end, the surge in american culture in brazil and stop enlarging their breasts....

it was incredibly refreshing to arrive in brazil and find a culture that has a national preferance for the female bootie , for sure was always my taste also, god did i feel right at home, and petite breasts. i never did really understand the american fascination with huge female breats that seemed like cow udders
To Joao and Augustus !
written by ch.c., November 18, 2008
Joao "(our constitution guarantees it).
It also guarantees NON SLAVERY...AND JUSTICE FOR ALL....TO MY KNOWLEDGE !
Tell us Joao how is your esteem for your laws and Constitution.

Augustus :
No doubt you took my joke on impalement and ZEBI at the wrong degree !
The ZEBI story is a HUMORISTIC joke told to me by Arabs....WOMEN !!!!!
Not against Brazilian males in particular but against males in general !

This said, feel free to kill as many Arabs MALES as you like.
I wont even criticize you.
But Women remain charming most of the time. And beautiful. And good moms. My ex wife is Arab from Tunisia.

Ch.C
written by João da Silva, November 18, 2008
Tell us Joao how is your esteem for your laws and Constitution.


If you are asking specifically about my personal "esteem" for our laws and Consitution, a brief answer in a few words:

1) I never head trouble with our 1969 constitution nor the laws and I feel that there was no need to bring in a fresh constitution in 1988. Could have been just modified with amendments to reflect the realities of "blossoming" democracy.

2) There are plenty of laws that protect the citizens, BUT...BUT...., they are not universally practiced nor applied, thus creating an (In) Justice system. Of course you can not expect much if the "Law Makers" turn into "Law Breakers". Under this system all pigs are equal, but some pigs are more equal than others.

3) As for your comment about "Slavery", there is a special Labor Justice Tribune which is supposed to inspect all the business enterprises. You know as well as I do that this Tribune is a big joke.

BTW, we have discussed these issues before under the articles written by Agusto Zimmermann. He is pretty hard on the (IN)justice system. I am inclined to agree with him.

But Women remain charming most of the time. And beautiful. And good moms. My ex wife is Arab from Tunisia.


Ah, your kids must have Arab blood. No wonder one of them is venturing into Hospitality Industry in Vietnam.How is that business going ?

ch-c - in agreement
written by Augustus, November 18, 2008
The ladies are unfortunately Islam greatest and main victims!
Although a couple of them have recently been manipulated into becoming suicide bombers in Bagdad and Tel Aviv, I do not blame them.
In addition, the Middle Eastern Ladies are among the most beautiful creatures… It would be hard to dislike them…
No wonder one of them is venturing into Hospitality Industry in Vietnam.How is that business going ?
written by ch.c., November 18, 2008
Hospitality ? Tourism yessssss....they built and manage an hotel !
Business ????? ahhh...ahhh, they should have better listened to an old idiot like me ! I smile, despite the daughter invested HER money that I
obviously gave HER !!!! but I smile less because I also gave her some money to invest in the stock market there. The agreement was she could invest in whatever stocks of her choice (good training) but was supposed to follow MY timing ! I told her to get out of everything last October ! SHE DID NOT AND she did not told me.

VERY SAD FOR HER because in my mind (but not said) that was also GIFT MONEY !!!!
And VERY SAD OR ME......having been lied and betrayed.

Since I discovered her cheating, WE NO LONGER COMMUNICATE !

BUT they dont lose money on the invested money for the hotel. They could not have the hotel sold at a specific time just as one can do with stocks anyway. Profits went obviouly under the floor...and they are struggling for the cash flow !
Rest assured...no longer with my support or advices ! Simple isnt it ?


Joao about your Constitution and laws :
- Was slavery not eliminated over 100 years ago ????
- Is it not Brazilians that say "anyway it will all end up in a Pizza" ??? Why ? Do you have guarantees it wont ?


Ohhhh....promises you get them daily !
In a way.....Promises similar to those made 30 years ago that BR 163 will be paved ! And promises repeated REGULARLY SINCE THEN !!!! RIGHT ?

About slavery in Brazil, enjoy the video, and pay attention to the words and statements including from Brazilians officials even more than the viewing :

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5i3UKmcZU_0

Then Augustus may eventually understand what I dont like in brazilians.
I dont hate Brazilians. I hate your governments officials because they do nothing to really change things, and those with bad behaviours of course KNOW IT !!!!

They always cheat, lie and hide.
And what irritates me to some extend is that then not only you caress your navels of how good you are, but worse yet.....Robin the Crook wants to tell and impose to others HOW AND WHAT TO TO !

FEEL FREE TO BE IN DISAGREEMENTS WITH ME...AND IN AGREEMENT WITH THEM !

For me you are NATURAL LOSERS ! AND THE ONLY STRIVING BRAZILIAN INDUSTRIES ARE....BUREAUCRAZY AND CORRUPTION !

Just have a look at the latest ranking of DOING BUSINESS and some time on details outside your overall ranking of 125 out of 176 I believe.

yesssss look at how much a medium size company spends annual hours to pay TAXES !
2600 HOURS !
Switzerland 63 !
Average your region : around 400 I believe.
Brazil is the WORLD WORST BY FAR FAR FAR ! The World Second Worst spend around 1400 hours or so !
Nothing to do with tax rates....YET....just the time necessary to be in accordance with the various TAXES !!!!

Just scary !!!!!

http://www.doingbusiness.org/ExploreTopics/PayingTaxes/


info for CH-C from BBC
written by Augustus, November 18, 2008
CH-C
According to BBC BRASIL, the following is the list (in order) for LEVEL of SATISFACTION with LIFE (average % growth in PIB
2001-2006) - The survey included ONLY latin american & Caribbean countries - EVEN WITH this competition, Brazil is far from the top and shares position with 7th place with Jamaica & Colombia (even more interesting is Argentina's position - no.11) I suppose they are not happy with their bimbo president
1.Costa Rica 7,4 (2,smilies/cool.gif
2.Panamá 6,8 (3,0)
3.México 6,6 (1,2)
4.Venezuela 6,5 (2,0)
5.Belize 6,4 (2,4)
6.Guatemala 6,3 (0,3)
7.Colômbia 6,2 (2,4)
8.Jamaica 6,2 (1,3)
9.Brasil 6,2 (1,5)
10.Guiana 6,0 (1,2)
11.Argentina 6,0 (2,0)
12.Trinidad e Tobago 5,8 (8,smilies/cool.gif
13.Chile 5,8 (3,1)
14.Uruguai 5,7 (1,smilies/cool.gif
15.Bolívia 5,4 (1,3)
16.Peru 5,3 (3,5)
17.El Salvador 5,3 (1,1)
18.Paraguai 5,2 (0,smilies/cool.gif
19.Honduras 5,1 (2,0)
20.Equador 4,9 (3,9)
21.Nicarágua 4,9 (1,9)
22.República Dominicana 4,9 (3,0)
23.Haiti 3,8 (-1,7)
Ch.C
written by João da Silva, November 18, 2008
No wonder one of them is venturing into Hospitality Industry in Vietnam.How is that business going ?


Thanks for your detailed reply. Interesting comments. I guess the world is the same regardless of nationalities, cultures, color, race, etc; The kids think that the parents are idiots. Probably you thought so when you were a kid, like I did. The best thing to do is to ignore them for the time being ,sit tight and watch the drama unfolding. Two English proverbs I like are a)The devil gave us relatives,thank GOD we have friends b)The dog is a Man´s best friend.IMHO, these proverbs make lots of sense.

Having said this, I got to peruse the sites you mentioned about the slavery, tax rates, etc; in Brazil. It is not a big news to me for I know the reality. BUT....BUT...., it is interesting to throw the stats at the "Government Officials (selected and elected)" and watch their reaction. And piss on them, if they do not respond correctly. Of course, it does not make me popular. But there again, I ain't standing for a popularity contest.

I think that the next few months are going to be interesting and stay tuned.
Augustus
written by ch.c., November 19, 2008
And it all depends where and how the questionning took place !
Where was it in Brazil (same question for elsewhere) ?

In Sao Paulo business district only or it includes also the SP favelas, Sergipe, Roraima, Acre, Ceara,
Paraïba.... cities and rural areas ????????

You see this is typically a ranking I dont pay attention to, regardless of the Brazilian ranking....high or low !

You can see I try to be more objective despite my "apparent" (smiles)
Anti-Brazzerisme !!!!!

You better look at the LATEST DOING BUSINESS RANKING and try as said to look in some comparative details published !!!!

Real scary !

My conclusion could then not change a centavo for years and years to come on the secular currencies trend :
- FUNDAMENTALLY...THERE IS NO BRAZILIAN MIRACLE ONLY A BRAZILIAN MIRAGE ! The apparent miracle is full of cheating, lies and hidings !
- LONG TERM, THE BRAZILIAN ECONOMIC AND POLITICAL MODEL...CANNOT WORK. Meaning the brazilian currency will make new historical low against the US$ but I cant tell you WHEN ! But it will !

And...and...and...it is neither any better for the other 22 nations you stated above, nor for 90 % of the other emerging nations on earth !

Most emerging nations, especially in South America will remain BOOMS AND BUSTS ECONOMIES....fondamentally.
Same for Asian, Middle East emerging countries, but for a FEW Asian countries the fundamentals get better and better over the swings cycles when compared to South American countries. Example China, South
Korea, Taiwan (somewhat Chinese but not totally), Malaysia.

On a secular basis they will do far more better than South America, including Brazil. In fact they already do for many years not only in their infrastructure development and growth, but also in their Technological AND Industrial products where South America....TOTALLY LAGS !

INDIA : despite their messy fundamentals, they also produce their own cars,have some drugsmakers and software companies listed on their stock exchanges.
What is the name, market value, annual sales, profits, what exchanges, of similar companies in South America...including in Brazil ??????

Brazilians and other South Americans can continue to caress their navel for quite a while before being able to provide me my very simple list of names requested !

so it was, so it is and so it will remain...for decades to come !
Until proven otherwise no one can say I am wrong !

Hey hey
The kids think that the parents are idiots. Probably you thought so when you were a kid, like I did.
written by ch.c., November 19, 2008
The difference is that my parents had no money and that I did not cheated them of anything in particular.
Hopefully you realize that SHE is in a very bad situation :
a) partner in an hotel that is losing money
b) she has a capital...but in an hotel
c) also the capital I gave her was a gift, morally it was a loan. Thus
she morally owes me money
d) a detailed that I mentionned a while ago, not this time, was that they got a government subsidized loan of Us$ 2 million at 2 % interests rate...that was due in mid 2008 ! Hmmmmm !!!!!

e) What are they (and SHE) going to do ? not SHE with me, but them and the Us$ 2 million owed to the government ? Was it, or will it be renewed ? at what new rate ? Will their hotel not be seized if not already done or in the process of being done ? Hmmmmm...not an envious situation !

f) she could had hand with her partners, if she sold the stock portfolio when I told her so ! she could had increased her share at a lower price by buying out may be 1 partner ! Or something like that.
I could have also increased my gift (even if it was mentally and verbally a loan)

g) all this aside, do you think that when I will die, she will get
the jackpot in inheritance ?????
Legally here we cant "DIS-inherit" our children.
but...but...but....I am not so idiot, I know what a Trust is !!!!!!!
Especially Foreign Trusts...not subject to my country laws...by definition !

Just think about the end results ! S M I I I I I L E S

This said I am not criticing her for her "venture capital" problems which was not avoidable anyway. This could happen to anyone in good faith. Nothing wrong at the base !
But what about the capital invested in equities that was in her name (but was in fact my money and not a gift or a loan, although it was but she did not know of course)and that she was supposed to sell when I told her so and when she said she sold but...did not sold ?????

Conclusion : she has 3 money problems (2 knowns, and 1 unknown that is her inheritance) plus a guilt problem she is not going to solve that easily with me !

Life is life !
The kids think that the parents are idiots. Probably you thought so when you were a kid, like I did.
written by ch.c., November 19, 2008
The difference is that my parents had no money and that I did not cheated them of anything in particular.
Hopefully you realize that SHE is in a very bad situation :
a) partner in an hotel that is losing money
b) she has a capital...but in an hotel
c) also the capital I gave her was a gift, morally it was a loan. Thus
she morally owes me money
d) a detailed that I mentionned a while ago, not this time, was that they got a government subsidized loan of Us$ 2 million at 2 % interests rate...that was due in mid 2008 ! Hmmmmm !!!!!

e) What are they (and SHE) going to do ? not SHE with me, but them and the Us$ 2 million owed to the government ? Was it, or will it be renewed ? at what new rate ? Will their hotel not be seized if not already done or in the process of being done ? Hmmmmm...not an envious situation !

f) she could had hand with her partners, if she sold the stock portfolio when I told her so ! she could had increased her share at a lower price by buying out may be 1 partner ! Or something like that.
I could have also increased my gift (even if it was mentally and verbally a loan)

g) all this aside, do you think that when I will die, she will get
the jackpot in inheritance ?????
Legally here we cant "DIS-inherit" our children.
but...but...but....I am not so idiot, I know what a Trust is !!!!!!!
Especially Foreign Trusts...not subject to my country laws...by definition !

Just think about the end results ! S M I I I I I L E S

This said I am not criticing her for her "venture capital" problems which was not avoidable anyway. This could happen to anyone in good faith. Nothing wrong at the base !
But what about the capital invested in equities that was in her name (but was in fact my money and not a gift or a loan, although it was but she did not know of course)and that she was supposed to sell when I told her so and when she said she sold but...did not sold ?????

Conclusion : she has 3 money problems (2 knowns, and 1 unknown that is her inheritance) plus a guilt problem she is not going to solve that easily with me !

Life is life !
Augustus
written by João da Silva, November 19, 2008
Here is an interesting link for you to read.I anticipated it. smilies/cheesy.gif

http://www.estadao.com.br/econ...0035,0.htm

Soon, soon, we are going to hear more and more about banks and large corporations which got into trouble with bad loans and currency speculation being bailed out with tax payers money.
Ch.C
written by João da Silva, November 19, 2008
The difference is that my parents had no money and that I did not cheated them of anything in particular.


You are no different from many self made people. The ones born in such situation grab every single opportunity to be better off than their parents in by giving value to the money. But their children take everything for granted.

From your comments, I understand that you are hurt with your daughter´s behavior and it is natural. I really hope that she realizes soon that her daddy was right and comes back to reconcile with you. If that happens and I do hope it does, the best thing for you to do would be to magnanimous and forgive her. Also help her to get out of her financial crunch with your wise advice, instead of penalizing her by some vengeful actions.

BTW, has it ever occurred to you that she is punishing you for having divorced her mom ?
You're kidding me right?
written by Robert Alvarez, November 21, 2008
You say Islam is the most criminal of religions? Well seems to me Christianity is really the criminal of all religions smilies/wink.gif
Brazil/Arab Racism
written by Charles Scott, November 21, 2008
I have often wondered where a lot of Brazillians got their hatred for Black Males from. After reading this article it has become very clear to me. As one who has been all over the world, I have not visited any society more racist or hateful of Black men than Arab societies.They are even worse than Apartheid South Africa, They do not mind Black women as a sexual tool, but they rabidly abhor Black Men, you see it in their eyes when they look at you. The writer of the article spoke about the Arabs achieving the Brazillian dream. What is amazing is that majority of the Blacks have been prevented from accessing the same dream that was made available to people of Arab descent. The bottom line is that until the vestiges of Slavery that are used to bind the Blacks in Brazil is removed or destroyed. Brazil will never truly rise.
Charles Scott
written by .., November 21, 2008
Brazil/Arab Racism


Charlie, you are full of horse s**t. For example, you wrote "a lot of Brazillians got their hatred for Black Males from.". This idiotic statement of yours is unacceptable to me and my "Negão" buddies. They would hate your interference in our domestic affairs.

BTW, our "Negos" (and Neginhas) do not require any support from you. We are quite united against those who want to divide and rule. Comprehende?
Dredful Comment, Scott
written by Ric, November 22, 2008
Brazil got its fascination with the blacks, not hatred, from the Moors, not from immigrants from central and southern Africa.
Answer to Augustus
written by Samarkand, November 22, 2008
Augustus,I think poverty,aids,crimes,corruption,sexual exploitation of Brazilian women,low birth rate represents bigger threats to Brazilian society than Arab invasion.

Islam will never have a strong implant in a 200 million strong Brazilian population.After one or two generation, the most sturdy Muslim would fall to samba sins and debauchery.

Look at the example mentioned of Luciana Morad who debase her self by helping Mick Jacker releasing himself in her mouth while on stage.This is an example of how Arabo-muslim women will became after just 3 generations in an Brazilian permissive society.

Brazil also have a huge problem of natality and immigration of wealthy or professional talents from the middle-east could be helpful in short term.

Brazil need foreign investment and presently Arabs are the one that own the cash because of the huge boon accumulated with the high oil price.Wealthy investors from China, the middle-east could invest some of their cash in the north part of Brazil where the poorest Brazilian live.
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written by .., November 23, 2008
Dredful Comment, Scott


Not only dreadful,but also repugnant,horrendous and awful.
Reply to Samarkand & Robert Alvarez,
written by Augustus, November 24, 2008
Robert Alvarez,
My statement indicated that ISLAM is the MOST criminal of ALL (repeat ALL) RELIGIONS -- ALL RELIGIONS ARE CRIMINAL (with the possible exception of Bhudism - but I lack sufficient info to fully back this possible caveat). Had I written my comments before the mid 18th century, Christianity would have taken that MOST CRIMINAL role... Before the end of the Seventeenth Century, Christianity committed horrors which EQUAL ISLAM TODAY

Samarkand
NOTHING (and I repeat NOTHING) is worse than ISLAM in my opinion. Death is FAR PREFERABLE than to live like the VERMIN to subject to such absurd set of heinous beliefs WHICH are an EMBARRASEMENT to humanity in the Universe (as an intelligent species).
Although I have been strongly ANTI communist all my life, I WOULD FULLY EMBRACE TOTALITARIAN MARXISM-LENINISM if that were the only avenue to avoid ISLAM (or any religion) - I would even join the Agency for ANTI-RELIGIOUS activivities in either Beijing or Moscow (if the USSR came back) so that I could HELP with the persecution of religious beliefs (WITH A SPECIAL REQUEST TO GO AFTER the VERMIN MUSLIM)
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Additional, more SPECIFIC REPLY to SAMARKAND
written by Augustus, November 24, 2008
Immediately after overcoming my STANDARD initial reaction to any statement regarding Religion in general or Islam in particular -- which never fail to prove very strong emotional reactions in light of my adamant opposition to primitive, ritualistic, mythological practices – especially regarding groups to proselytize and worse yet impose (or attempt to impose) such views on others – I decided to return to the site an address your comments in greater detail…

Augustus,I think poverty,aids,crimes,corruption,sexual exploitation of Brazilian women,low birth rate represents bigger threats to Brazilian society than Arab invasion.

Firstly, I would like to bring to your attention that I do not oppose “Arabs” in general, as I have NO intention whatsoever to convey any type of “racial” discrimination – simply because this is NOT the case! My opposition to “Arabs” was made with the premise that I automatically associate “Arab” to “Islamic”, since the overwhelming majority of Arabs, across this planet have unfortunately succumbed to the HORRIFIC, primitive and utterly Barbaric (anti-female) views of Islam, and for their implicit intolerance of any other views.
Secondly, I must remind you the poverty, crime and corruption are even more prevalent in Islamic countries than in Brazil (I have no question about that). Because Brazil is now a “mostly” free and “mostly” democratic society, where censorship of information has been infinitely reduced, there appears to be much more of it than under the repugnant, totalitarian GRIP of Imams (or whatever the name is given to the criminal clerics of that horrible creed) exert behind the scenes to control what is published or broadcast. As for the “sexual exploitation”, I highly doubt (without proof) that the same does not occur (behind the scenes in Islamic countries – where such acts would be much worse, because they would also represent HYPOCRISY). As for AIDS, this dramatic, lamentable, and horrible infection is simply the horrific CONSEQUENCE of individual freedom to pursue his / her sexual whims and/or proclivities... As with any ACT, based on individual freedom (of any sort) the victim simply has to take RESPONSIBILITY for his/her acts, unless such individual was also a victim or rape, in which case the SECULAR (severe) justice should be brought upon the inflicting rapist and assistance extended to the victim…


Islam will never have a strong implant in a 200 million strong Brazilian population. After one or two generation, the most sturdy Muslim would fall to samba sins and debauchery.

MERCIFULLY you may be correct! Let’s at least hope so… (for now)

Look at the example mentioned of Luciana Morad who debase her self by helping Mick Jacker releasing himself in her mouth while on stage.This is an example of how Arabo-muslim women will became after just 3 generations in an Brazilian permissive society.

While I’m not familiar with the episode, which appears (to me) to be relatively disgusting (but based on individual’s opinion), such act (or ANY OTHER you may quote) is not (and COULD NOT) be MORE REPUGNANT than having young teenage girls, in tears, to be forced to be “circumcised” thereby being NOT ONLY physically violated, but also condemned to NEVER experience sexual pleasure and become the eternal sexual object (if not slave) of the Male Islamic masters… The more I think about Muslin practices (particularly Muslin males the more disgusted I feel)

Brazil also have a huge problem of natality and immigration of wealthy or professional talents from the middle-east could be helpful in short term.

AS LONG AS they are NOT Muslims… by all means, let them go to Brazil or anywhere in the West…

Brazil need foreign investment and presently Arabs are the one that own the cash because of the huge boon accumulated with the high oil price. Wealthy investors from China, the middle-east could invest some of their cash in the north part of Brazil where the poorest Brazilian live.

Brazil should welcome any type of investment, immigration, ANYTHING to help it combat poverty (EVEN THOUGH IT MUST ADDRESS CORRUPTION FIRST), but NOT with the price of building repugnant mosques, and permitting the monstrous Imams to go there and attempt to influence one of the few good aspects of Brazil: Its happy colorful and (YES) permissive society!
NOTHING should justify admitting Islam or its animalistic agents into Brazilian territory.
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Augustus
written by João da Silva, November 24, 2008
Brazil should welcome any type of investment, immigration, ANYTHING to help it combat poverty (EVEN THOUGH IT MUST ADDRESS CORRUPTION FIRST),


You are talking like a truly visionary Brazilian. I wholeheartedly agree with you and I endorse your views 100%. Get rid of the cancer called "Corruption", make it easy to do business,reform the outdated labor laws and encourage immigration of "Brain Power" and investors with money. You could see some positive results within a decade.
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written by Bola Preta, November 25, 2008
We should kick islamic arabs and white gringos out of Brazil. They are a pest!
BOLA PRETA - a brief (well meant) advice
written by Augustus, November 26, 2008
While I appreciate your sentiments, I would like to bring to your attention that my objections towards the Arabs have NO racial undertone, and is strictly based upon CULTURAL (and more specifically religions) considerations.
My advice, if you permit, would be to consider avoiding succumbing to the natural human proclivity towards racism or even "revanchist" actions (for past, historically racist transgressions made by other groups – which you call “whites”) and thereby refraining from posting entries - using strong language - just against any other outside groups indiscriminately, without solid considerations...
As such, in the event any of my messages may have inspired any such sentiments upon your views, I suggest you revisit my comments, and note that my STRONG (and YES - extreme) objections is against the potential CRIMINAL influence of a HORRIFICT SECT called ISLAM as well as against members (of any race/color and social class) who may call themselves Muslins....
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OUR FRIENDS IN MUMBAI (India) under MASSIVE ATTACKE BY ISLAMIC ANIMALS
written by Augustus, November 26, 2008
THIS REPUGNANT ACT JUST PROVIDE ADDITIONAL PROOF OF THE BARBARIC NATURE OF THE ISLAMIC PIGS. ACTUALLY PIGS SHOULD NOT BE INSULTED BY BEING DIMINISHED DOWN TO THE ISLAMIC LEVEL - NOTHING DOES!!!! EVEN AMEBAS ARE HIGHER BEINGS COMPARED TO ISLAMIC FUNDAMENTALISTS

DETAILS: ISLAMIC INSECTS HAVE JUST PERFORMED A MASSIVE COORDINATED ATTACK IN MUMBAY INDIA. THEY ARE STRIKING TARGETING MOSTLY WESTERNERS, PARTICULARLY AMERICAN CITIZENS AND BRITISH SUBJECTS!
THE MONSTROUS ATTACKS INCLUSDE SEVERAL LUXURIOUS HOTELS, THE RAILROAD STATION AS WELL AS FINANCIAL INSTITUTIONS (BEARING IN MIND THAT MUMBAI (FORMERLY KNOWN AS BOMBAY) IS THE SITE OF THE INDIAN STOCK EXCHANGE.

I COULD NOT POSSIBLE EMPHASIZE ENOUGH THE EXTENT OF MY DISMAY FOR THIS ADDITIONAL REPUGNANT ATTACK WHICH FURTHER ANGERS ME AGAINS PASSIFICIST LIBERALS WHO RESUSE TO ACKNOWLEDGE THE EXTENT OF THE BARBARITY WHICH THE ISLAMIC INSECTS ARE CABLE OF COMMITING AGAINST CIVILIZED PEOPLE IN INDIA AS WELL AS IN THE WESTERN WORLD!!!

HOPEFULLY THE LIBERAL CRITICS WILL REPTENT AND ACKENOWLEGE THE EXTENT OF THEIR ERROR IN JUDGEMENT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

THE ENTIRE ISLAMIC WORLD SHOULD BE EXTERMINATED!!! MUSLINS ARE WORSE THEN VERMIN!!!

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A bad day for mankind - BAD NEWS ALSO FROM SOUTHERN BRAZIL - HORRIBLE FLOODS
written by Augustus, November 27, 2008
As if the events in India were not horrific enough, now I found that Southern Brazil is suffering overwhelming floods, causing horrific mud-slides which has killed about 84 people so far...

Hopefully Joao, his friends and family are all well! smilies/sad.gif

I hope every reader (especially Brazilians) consider a moment of thought towards our compatriots in the Southern Brazilian states, which are undergoing a dramatic calamity... smilies/cry.gif smilies/cry.gif
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written by Bola Preta, November 27, 2008
Augustus,

My comments have no racial overtones either. I just don't like you racist white people! I think you are menace to the world.
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written by Lilian, November 27, 2008
Augustus, The more you spoke, the more s**t spewed out. You are a worthless bigot!
Lilian,- YOUR ACCUSATION / MY RESPONSE
written by Augustus, November 29, 2008
IF BIGOT MEANS = opposition to a hateful religious fanatical of Muslins (with NO RATIAL undertone, as such fantical can be a member of ANY RACE - Particularly because many recent members of this group are WHITE ELEMENTS FROM EUROPE) who pose a MAJOR threat to Western & Indian civilizations (as well as any other non- islamic culter) - YES! Falling the above description, you may call me by this term!!!

IF THE PRICE TO PAY FOR ALERTING AND REACHING a few individuals in the West & India in order to clarify the global threat represented by the nefarius "EVIL" groups of Islamic inclinatio... Well, I'm willing to victimized by the lable of BIGOT... smilies/cry.gif

MORE THAN LIKELY YOU, LILIAN, BELONG TO ONE OF THE FOLLOWING CATEGORIES:
1) A Western individual who is an Ultra Liberal who refuse to understand the global threat posed by Islam and conditinue accepting the EVIL, BARBARIAN, and ANIMALISTIC nature of Islamic Fundamentalist (and therefore would find yourself one day surprivsed when you or a loved one becomes a victim of an Islmaic hateful attack)
OR OR OR OR
2) You are one of the few Moderate Muslins (probably resident in the West) who cannot accept the EVIL, HATEFUL nature of the overall religious gropu to which you belong....
WARNING AGAINST THE ISLAMIC THREAT /// ALERTA ANTI-MULCUMANO /// AVERTISSEMENT CONTRE LE RISQUE MUSULMAN
written by Augustus, November 29, 2008
WARNING AGAINST THE ISLAMIC THREAT
I could not sufficiently underline the extension of the horror, the anxiety and the concern which the new appalling Islamic attack (in India) which represents more one example of the danger which the Islamic World represents to the Civilized World (Europe, North & South America, Australia/NZ and Japan). Furthermore I am frustrated with the role played by the pacifist liberals who refuse to recognize the extension of cruelty the Islamic extremists are capable to cause against all the civilized people!

ALERTA ANTI-MULCUMANO
Eu não poderia enfatizar suficientemente a extensão do horror, da ansiedade e preocupação sobre este novo ataque repugnante o qual representa mais um exemplo do perigo que o Mundo Islamico proporciona ao Mundo Civilizado (Europa, Americas do Norte E Sul, Australia/NZ e Japão). Tambem estou extramente frustrado com o papel proporcionado pelos liberais pacifistas que se recusam a reconhecer a extensão do barbaridade que os extremistas Islamicos podem de cometer contra todos aos povos civilizados!

AVERTISSEMENT CONTRE LE RISQUE MUSULMAN
Je ne pourrais souligner suffisamment l'extension de l'horreur, de l'anxiété et de la préoccupation sur cette nouvelle attaque islamiste dégoûtante (a l’Inde) qui représente plus un exemple du danger que le Monde Islamique fournisse au Monde Civilisé (Europe, Amériques du Nord Et du Sud, Australie/NZ et Japon). Aussi supplémentairement je suis frustré avec le rôle proportionné par les libéraux pacifistes qui refusent de reconnaître l'extension de la monstruosité que les extrémistes Islamiques peuvent commettre contre tous aux peuples civilisés!
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written by me, November 30, 2008
As a Palestinian-Brazilian (I'm actually gaúcho but people insist into bringing that former label up), I was born to Muslim parents, not really practicing ones but I've never had a problem finding my own information from alternative media and as a human being I and kept my mind open to filter the manipulative bulk and naturally know right from wrong.

I've been living in a Muslim country after Brazil and to be honest with you I didn't like many of the aspects of the lifestyle and I'm going back before the end of the year. However, Augustus you should really try to form an opinion of your own, not just copying and pasting here what you read on a website such as BBC, although BBC Brasil is still one of my favorite news sites, living in the Middle East enables me to see what's true and what's not on the news they post and believe it or not, some of them are plain nonsense. Also when I read your comments they feel like wooden speech, so tedious to read all the boring comments between brackets... ugh

Brazil has always been a good place for me, I've never had discrimination while I lived there and I call it my home. I'm not too glad of reading your racist comments about the extermination of the Arab race in general, although sometimes I feel they should be thrown into oblivion like many others but that's just unrealistic, as long as they live in their countries and leave the rest of us alone to live our lives as we wish I'm more than happy to cooperate with them etc.

The Arabs I've met in this country are indeed subhuman, they lie like it's a narcotic addiction and they disrespect God and their own religion more than anyone else, but when you dare open your mouth to contradict some point of their teachings they're likely to verbally attack you and menace, make death threats and so on so I'm fed up with their hypocrisy and am going to leave it all behind for good.

chc I'm positive you're a Brazilian living in Switzerland, you seem to try to deny this fact but it's clear as the light of day so just accept it, we're a nation of people from everywhere, we're no longer immigrants and apart from the criminals and the ignorant people the rest of us are trying to make a living and we're too busy to be concerned about having racism as a daily choir in our lives and please try to keep the criticism more constructive, you talk nonsense and just try to bash and offend us in any way you can think of, but you're just showing how little respect you have for your own self.

Well I'll visit later on to see if anyone has anything they wanna know or something like that, if I can contribute in a serious and friendly discussion I'm up for it.
me, the palestinian Brazilian
written by Augustus, November 30, 2008
"Me", you refuse to be WILLING to see that my comments are NOT racist, but TOTALLY AGAINST THE HORRID religion of the Middle East. Of course, you were bound to feel in the Middle-East, after all - you ARE a muslin man and ONLY Muslins are bound to be "relatively" safe in the Middle East. I'm an atheist liberal, who believes in EQUALITY for women, Freedom of choice, freedom to be whatever one intends to be (even NEFARIOUS activities who might lead to one's demise). If I were to go Teheran, Jeddah, Kabul, or even Islamabad, and announced my atheism, I would probably to tortured (in Teheran I would be executed). Muslins DO NOT tolerate other lifestyles and kill, murder, destroy anything anti-muslin. As such THEY should be eliminated. NO intolerant religion or ideology (which requires, expects and DEMANDS compliance) should be permitted to continue existing.

I do not fall prey to propaganda, as I'm a very educated, permissive and open minded individual who tolerates ANY LIFE STYLE - provided of course that such life-style is NOT inflexible and/or abusive towards OTHERS like that the culture and particularly the religion of your parent’s country of origin.

I've lived in several western countries after Brazil, and although one can always find some levels of intolerance among some individuals in the West, NO Western country (ever since the demise of NAZI Germany – which was just as hateful and inflexible as Islamic Fundamentalist countries – such as Iran, Saudi Arabia and former Afghanistan) engages in the persecution of other groups). If you feel better (and your conscience brings you peace) by accepting the ILLUSION that ISLAMIC COUNTRIES are idyllic places with an ideal culture/philosophy (despite the appalling treatment of females, atheists, communists, liberals, homosexuals, and/or any group your culture considers “unacceptable” – and therefore are places with restriction & abuse to be found everywhere), you may as well stick you head in a hole and refuse to acknowledge REALITY.

I STAND TO WHAT I HAVE WRITTEN AND SHALL CONTINUE SPREADING MY STRONG ANTI-MUSLIN VIEWS TO AS MANY OTHER WESTERN INDIVIDUALS I CAN FOR AS LONG AS I LIVE, AND SHALL NOT BE SATISFIED UNITL I SEE THE WORLD RID OF THE HORRIFIC VIRMIN CALLED - ISLAM (and NOT the racial element of those who have the misfortune to have falling to its abuse views, rules, and principles and are – therefore - by default - likely to be turned into murderers, suicide bombers or the very least abusers of females - sooner rather than later).
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Another note for Mr. Palestinian-Brazilian - A SITE FOR YOU TO VISIT
written by Augustus, November 30, 2008
I have found a web site for you to amuse yourself: smilies/grin.gif smilies/tongue.gif

Visit => http://www.thereligionofpeace....n-Hate.htm
Is the Qur'an Hate Propaganda?
What the Holiest Book of Islam Really says about Non-Muslims
Why the Violence? Why the Indifference?
The holiest book of Islam (61% of which is about non-Muslims) draws the sharpest of distinctions between Muslims and non-believers, lavishing praise on the former while condemning the latter. Far from teaching universal love, the Qur'an incessantly preaches the inferiority of non-Muslims, even comparing them to vile animals and gloating over Allah's hatred of them and his dark plans for their eternal torture. Naturally, the harsh treatment of non-believers by Muslims is encouraged as well.
Beneath the rosy assurances from Muslim apologists that Islam is about peace and tolerance lies a much darker reality that better explains the violence and deeply-rooted indifference. Quite simply, the Qur'an teaches hate.

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written by me, November 30, 2008
It's "Muslims", not Muslins.

I agree to the fact they're rather intolerant to other people's belief systems, but I can see many movements working towards Women Rights and fighting violence in households and such, although there's also resistance to that, as I've seen "Imams" claiming women in the Arab world are too concerned about modernizing themselves and forgetting the suffering of their brothers in Palestine/Iraq etc.

Christianity is also a Middle Eastern religion for your information. I don't think it's much better than their Islamic counterparts, you've written about their cruel deeds in the past, based on their own religion in a previous post. People don't tolerate each other here, that's the reason I didn't write my name here as I might need at one point to tell you I'm an agnostic and that could actually get me killed.

I've previously seen this website and their claims are false. In Islam they're taught to respect every individual and not hate them, they don't tell you to still love them if they're bombing your house. Many of the teachings seem okayish, it's simply not practiced. The Muslims abroad, born of Christian, or just Western culture in general seem to be really friendly and tolerant people with whom you can discuss freely and feel like they're taking you seriously and not waiting for you to stop talking to tell you how lost you are and how doomed your soul will be in the deepest pits of hell for all eternity while he's watching you from a magic gate in heaven and telling you "I warned you". wow, why don't you just ascend into some kind of crazy godhood like Bin Laden or Jesus Christ then and convince me you're not just another manipulative power hungry beast, much like politicians actually.

Anyway, I don't feel safe here nor am I happy with the lifestyle, I wouldn't exchange a day in Brazil to a day anywhere in the dry desert areas of the Middle East and if I had known better I wouldn't have ever been here but I've been, and I've seen what they're about.
Who told you I live in Brazil? Who told you I'm believe in ANY DIVINITY
written by Augustus, November 30, 2008
IF I MISPELLED THE NAME OF YOUR HORRIFIC DISGUSTING MYTHOLOGICAL CREED, I'M GLAD I'VE IN A MINOR WAY CONTRIBUTED AN ADDITIONAL INSULT TO THE BUNCH OF PIGS WHO ANSWER BY THE NAME OF "M-U-S-L-I-M-S" (Did I spell correctly now, milord?)
I’m a RADICAL ATHEIST!!! In essence, I personally (STRONGLY) oppose all primitive religious beliefs – in fact I call them all “Modern Mythological Creeds”.

I simply TOLERATE non-Muslim creeds because they do not NOWADAYS propagate MURDER, ATROCITY, SUICIDE, MUTILATION (as Christians did during the Middle Ages up until the end of the 17th century) & Nor do they promote, once again HUMILIATION OF FEMALES!!!

Clearly you “appear to be” one of the few moderates of the Muslin kind, Milord, and it pains me to be compelled to utilize such strong language against the group of your origins... Yet, I’m not attacking you personally, but the overall group to which you appear to belong!

Please understand I'm not against ALL Arabs or against ALL Middle Easterners - I'm simply against Islam - particularly the radical followers of such RADICAL CREED!
I HAVE MADE IT MY PERSONAL MISSION TO FIGHT ANY AND ALL RADICAL MUSLINS, but must attack the entire group to be effective - for which I personally apologize to you...

I SIMPLY REGRET MY NOBLE EUROEPEAN ANCESTORS DID NOT ANIHILATE ISLAM DURING THE CRUZADES!!!
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Augustus
written by João da Silva, November 30, 2008
I SIMPLY REGRET MY NOBLE EUROEPEAN ANCESTORS DID NOT ANIHILATE ISLAM DURING THE CRUZADES!!!


You are a horrible fellow, my dear chap. You may not live in Brazil like the rest of us. But the latest fight you have picked up with our Gaucho Palestine compatriot is extremely unacceptable and goes beyond my comprehension. I have said a hundred times that Brazil is a secular country and still you scream and yell at "Me". I have a feeling that you are not really that radical as to the extent of suggesting that we eliminate around 1.5 Billions of the world Population that practices Islam. Your problem, old boy, is that you have never traveled to the East (like I have done) and mingled with the "Natives" of all religions. Most of these "Natives" are peace loving.

As for your statement:

If I were to go Teheran, Jeddah, Kabul, or even Islamabad, and announced my atheism, I would probably to tortured (in Teheran I would be executed).


For Jupiter´s sake, why should you go there and announce that you are an "Atheist", unless you want to promote Atheism. Probably, most of the "Natives" will ignore you. As for visiting Islamabad (or Lahore) both of which are very cosmopolitan cities, I suggest you do it ASAP. They have great restaurants that serve spicy food like the ones served in Bombay or Bangalore (Your preferred city). I don't think that the waiters would bother to know if you are an "Atheist" or a "Muslim" or of any religion.

Our Gaucho colleague has certain points to make about the religion of his parents and lets listen to him.
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written by Bola Preta, November 30, 2008
"I have said a hundred times that Brazil is a secular country and still you scream and yell at "Me"."

Haha ahhaha hahah haha hahah! Brazil a secular country? Hah ahah ahahha. On paper only!!!
no a country of injustice
written by forrest allen brown, November 30, 2008
November 28, 2008

Dear Friends and Supporters of David Goldman,


We are writing to give you an update on the Sean Goldman case and to also make you aware that David will be appearing on the Dr. Phil Show - Monday, December 1st. The show will be on at 3:00pm on WCBS Channel 2, in the Metropolitan New York area. Please check the Dr Phil Show Local Listings for the station and time in your locale. http://www.drphil.com/shows/listing/

In addition, we were just informed that David may be a live guest on the Fox News Channel sometime next week on Greta van Susteren’s On the Record. Obviously this would be great exposure for the case so we are excited about that development. We hope to update you next week on the date for that appearance. On the Record airs on the Fox news channel at 10:00 EST. Please check our website (www.BringSeanHome.org) for details as they become available. NBC is also moving ahead with a full one-hour investigative piece that should air within the next month or two, we will let you know about that as soon as we have a date.

As for an update on the case, we would like to refer you to a recent article that was published in the Asbury Park Press this week by Bill Handleman, which can be found on the Media page of our web site (http://bringseanhome.org/media.html). In addition to this article, the articles in Piaui Magazine and Consultor Juridico are excellent and demonstrate that several media outlets in Brazil are finally starting to cover the case despite the media ban in place in Brazil .

We would also like to steer you to the updated How to Help page on our website (http://bringseanhome.org/help.html) which has some new contact information available and a list of priorities for spreading awareness of the case. Please take the time to visit the site as now is the perfect time for all of us to get angry again and make another push with the people who can help make a difference in this case and bring Sean home. Additionally, a UK-based children’s group called Forever Searching helped set up a Facebook page which all of you should visit when you have a few minutes (http://www.facebook.com/home.p...5278616563) to help spread the story around the web.

We are also planning a rally in front of the Brazilian Consulate in New York City in the coming weeks with a tentative date of Friday December 12. For any of you who live in the tri-state area, we could really use your support. If you are available to help, please email us at bringseanhome@yahoo.com and let us know. You can put “NEW YORK PROTEST” in the subject line. We are planning to have T-shirts made up for the occasion and hope that many of you can bring homemade banners and signs expressing your outrage over this case. We will post details for the event on the web site next week.

And thank you again from all of us for your support. We have made good progress in raising awareness of the case but more work still needs to be done.

Thank you,

Friends of David Goldman
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written by me, November 30, 2008
I belong to the Brazilian group, identifying with our precious Latin American culture.

About the Crusades... I feel sorry about them not annihilating each other too, since nations were pretty brutal at that time anyway, it'd have saved us a lot of suffering in the long run.
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written by me, November 30, 2008
I kinda feel sorry for writing that thing about the Crusades now, I don't really support any wars regardless of reason. João I'll gladly share anything if you'd like to know about being in this confusing situation since birth. smilies/tongue.gif
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written by João da Silva, November 30, 2008
João I'll gladly share anything if you'd like to know about being in this confusing situation since birth.


I don't think that you are in a confusing situation, "Me". Just say you are a Brazilian and do not discuss religion nor politics with the "Natives" of the country where you are living. They are all touchy folks in that part of the world. smilies/cheesy.gif smilies/grin.gif

In any case, by the end of the year you should be back home in RS. Better grin and bear with the situation until then.
Apologies for the good BRAZILIAN gentleman called "ME"
written by Augustus, December 01, 2008
After going over the entire exchange, reflecting upon my compulsive anti-Islamic stance, particularly your last entry, I feel that I owe you sincere apologies from one gentleman to another.
Perhaps if I had not personally witness the second plane strike in the world trade center and had not been held captive, laying on the floor to get oxygen on the 21st floor of a neighboring building - along with other victims, and then rescued several hours later by heroic NYC FIRE FIGHTERS, my anti-Islamic position would not have turned so radical.
ME - YOU REALLY APPEAR TO BE A DECENT PERSON, and did not deserve receiving the brunt of my uncivil behavior... My ancestors are probably ashamed in their graves...

Espero que possas desculpar minha insolencia - de carioca para gaucho! smilies/sad.gif smilies/sad.gif smilies/sad.gif smilies/sad.gif

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