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Something Is Moving Inside Brazil's Womb, It's the 'We Won't Take Corruption Anymore' Movement PDF Print E-mail
2011 - September 2011
Written by Reinaldo Azevedo   
Saturday, 10 September 2011 16:06

Youngsters wash up Brasília The day thousands of Brazilians took to the streets to protest against corruption, the UNE (National Students Union) did not leave home. That's because the UNE was counting money. The PT government has now passed on to these henchmen over 10 million reais (US$ 5.9 million).

And will give them another 40 million reais (US$ 23.8 million) so they can build their 13-story headquarters, which will be occupied by their void of ideas, their moral void, their ethical void.

The day thousands of Brazilians took to the streets to protest against corruption, the CUT (Unified Workers' Central) did not leave home, no! That's because the CUT was counting money.

The PT government has decided to pass on to the labor unions a part of the shameful tax levied even on non-union workers. Moreover, lots of managers in these unions hold important posts in the federal machine.

The day thousands of Brazilians took to the streets to protest against corruption, the MST (Landless Workers' Movement) did not leave home, oh no! That's because the MST was counting money.

The movement exists only because the government maintains it with public funds. They'd rather protest against the modernization of agriculture.

The day thousands of Brazilians took to the streets to protest against corruption, the so-called social movements didn't leave home at all!
That's because the social movements were counting money.

They'd rather insist on their odd protest in favor, called "The Shout of the Excluded." In fact, they are "included" in the PT (Workers' Party) world.

The thousands who took to the streets, with rare exceptions, have no party, do not belong to groups, do not recognize a leader, do not follow the herd, do not behave like a pack, do not wave red flags, do not worship corpses of fake martyrs or are lured by bungling prophets.

The thousands who took to the streets do study, work, pay taxes, have dreams, want a better country, are fed up with the thievery, hate  ignorance, dishonesty, fight for a better life and know that real achievement is that one that's the fruit of effort.

The thousands who took to the streets can't take collusion any more, they are disgusted with the crooks who have raided the country, they no longer believe the official propaganda, they reject politics as an exercise in lies, and they call impostors those who in the name of  fighting against poverty, plunder the country, work swindles, get involved in political machinations that are far from the public interest.

You saw that the thousands who took to the streets were accompanied only by their own peers, who, like them, also took to the streets. It was the true No Politician Movement. Not that politicians could not show up there. The PSOL (Socialism and Liberty Party) tried to lend their flag to the protests, but those present would not accept it. That was a movement from the streets, not from last-century utopians, who still have the gall to tell us, holy God, about "socialism with freedom."

If politicians had showed up to also protest - not to lead the people - they would have been well-received, but they did not show up because they haven't realized yet that something is brewing, that a movement is underway, that something is moving inside the Brazilian society's womb.

The week when thousands of Brazilians gave proof in social networks, blogs and news sites that they are fed up with the intrigue, government supporters and opposition were holding whispered small talks to try to fill the next vacancy in the Union's Audit Office. Choosing someone for the post has become part of the articulations for the 2014 presidential race...

Government supporters and opposition that get involved in this kind of articulation, the way it happens, are not realizing that a movement is being born, which already includes thousands of people who no longer accept this minuet of arrogant government people and dodgy oppositionists. These people, from one side and the other, have become hopelessly old at heart.

The painted faces, this time, could not count on the machine of opposition governments, as it happened with the Movement for Direct Elections Now and with Collor's impeachment. This time, and this will go on for a long time, people were by themselves. Yes, something is moving inside the society. And it 's useless to turn in for "steer" the movement.

Marina Silva was quite capable of noticing the wave, but she was wrong when she bet that others didn't notice her own wave. This movement, Dona Marina, is not born through media relations, image consulting, political consulting and strong financial support. Your non-partisanship, candidate, is fleeting; that of the Brazilians who took to the streets is a condition of freedom.

The thousands who took to the streets, treated with disdain on TV's evening news, made the biggest demonstration against the PT regime in the nine years they are in power. And something tells me that this will continue and the tendency is for it to grow.

We pay one of the world's highest taxes to have one of the world's worst public services. We pay for politicians who are among the most expensive in the world to have one of the worst political classes in the world. We have, believe me, one of the world's most expensive educations to have one of the world's worst schools. We have one of the world's strongest states to have one of the world's largest kleptocracies.

The No-Party Movement does not reject the parties' democracy - even because, without them, there is only the One Party dictatorship - but it wants to know if anyone is actually ready to break this cycle of convenience and connivance. The thousands who took to the streets defied the risk of being demonized by the henchmen of officialdom. They lost their fear.

Yes, in a not-so-recent past, in 2007, a group tried to organize a reaction to the corruption that was getting widespread. It did not get to grow like this one now, but it made itself noticed. They had a kind of keyword to identify the indignant: "I got tired!" The movement was mercilessly ridiculed.

I wrote about it at that time. The movement was treated as something for ladies of leisure, for dazzled people dissatisfied with what was said to be the "democratization" of Brazil. There were stupid people saying they were wealthy people who couldn't stand to see poor people getting to fly in airplanes - as if the aviation chaos would punish only the wealthy.

The smallest attempt to answer to the excesses of the so-called "progressive" was received with a stick. In the daily Folha de S. Paulo, Laura Capriglione went as far as to ridicule a rally of students at USP (University of São Paulo), held on the university campus, protesting against strikes. Those who wanted to study were treated like a bunch of reactionaries. Those who got indignant about corruption and deception have now lost their fear.

Attempts of disqualification will happen - in fact, they have already happened. Vehicles for hire, dedicated to the officialist subjournalism, fueled by public money, are already poking fun at the demonstrations. The television channels gave less air time to the protests than they would give a demonstration of discontent in, let me see, Bahrain! It seems that there are people who think that democracy is an important thing in Egypt, Libya and Syria, but not in Brazil.

It is useless! The thousands who took to the streets don't need the opposition, they don't need subjournalism, they don't need that journalism sympathetic to the protests in Yemen ... The dynamic today is something else.

May the no-party, no-groups, no-leader, no-pack, no-red-flags, no-martyrs, no-prophets folks persevere. The opposition, if they wish, may join them. Who knows, maybe the opposition will learn to be free and may learn to say without ambiguity: "No, you can not!"

Reinaldo Azevedo writes for Veja, the weekly news magazine with the largest circulation in Brazil.



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written by João da Silva, September 10, 2011

A splendid article by Reinaldo! Congrats to the editors of this magazine to have translated and published it here.

Though I do not agree with him all the time with many issues he writes in "Veja", he is 100% right on the topic of "Corruption". He is indeed a great journalist, unlike some "Bundões" we are accustomed to seeing on our "important & traditional"" TV networks.

smilies/wink.gifsmilies/cheesy.gifsmilies/grin.gif
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written by wiseman, September 11, 2011
These demos. may reach the same effective intensity as those that brought Collor's impeachment.

Our Presidenta should draw strength from this 'people's uprising' & continue in her good fight against corruption and waste.
as the usa is poised to push back the left so should brazil
written by usa superpower, September 11, 2011
A great article !!!! Bravo, Bravo!!..Yes! YES !! may these students fight on !!!!...End the corruption in brazil !!! end the pt party,s grip on the brazilian peoples progress !!! turn back the leftist tide of socialism/marxism/corruption gripping the south american continent ...
Reinaldo! Reinaldo! Reinaldo!
written by Simpleton, September 11, 2011
In the states, I think they've decided to call this type of quirky people (like so many of us) Tea Party sympathizers or activists. If it truely catches on, builds, becomes any kind of real influence, Brasil will find a name for them and they too will end up getting blamed for all the woes committed by the real culprits.
Simpleton
written by João da Silva, September 11, 2011

In the states, I think they've decided to call this type of quirky people (like so many of us) Tea Party sympathizers or activists.


I didn't know you were a Teabagger, Simpleton. You guys wear some kind of armbands to ID yourselves? smilies/wink.gifsmilies/cheesy.gifsmilies/grin.gif

On a serious note: Do you read Reinaldo´s blog in "Veja"? Once in a while, it is worth doing so. Though one has to pay a proverbial "fortune" to subscribe to that magazine, the access is free to his articles for those who have Internet connection. The link is:

http://veja.abril.com.br/blog/reinaldo/

Cheers
Yous forgoteds - eu Veja nada
written by Simpleton, September 12, 2011
Well Joao, with respect, if the decendents of those dirty rotten land stealing scoundrels that tiptoed off their ship onto some rock in what is now known as Plymouth Massachucetts ended up ditching things that were not their's into Boston's harbor as another way of expressing their discontent with the status quo insisted on by those that managed to be in control, then yes, I'd be a Teabagger through and through. (And no Eddie, not even the occasional glass of water imbibed over there in Iowa while visiting family would dilute my untainted spirit of Right Makes Might / Don't Tread On Me.)
Commenting on Yankee politics
written by Ederson, September 12, 2011
Simpleton, it's been a long day, so please excuse my adaption of Yankee grammar, but believe me when I write that I've never thought of you as a democrat or RINO. smilies/wink.gif I, too, at the risk of offending any Yankee friends, feel it is time for the Yanks to experience a dose of reality. The Tea Party may be a little late in arriving, but I hope for it the best.
Anti PT or Anti Corruption
written by adrianerik, September 12, 2011
So I read both articles, this one and the other that begins with the title "Corruption and Violence". Why does this article seem more like a rant against PT while the other seems to more objective and a protest against corruption. In this article the author proudly notes the "anti-PT" or anti "PT interests" while, in the other, the author is clear to record the the protestors were against all of the parties because they ALL were involved in corruption. You might not like the who the government chooses to support but, for example, is the money enriching individuals, or simply a movement that some of us might not like. There have been glaring examples of corruption in Brazil, most notably the superfaturation or overpricing of projects. Yet, this author focuses on three UNIONS! Will the money to build the headquarters of the UNE be stolen from the government or will it not actually be used to build the headquarters? That is corruption.

I'm not understanding this article. Brazil, in my opinion, has a fantasy comptroller system which allows money to actually touch the hands of legislators without the three-tiered financial transparency system being in place. It allocates money directly to the mayors of thousands of small cities where the lack of education and jobs make any sense of financial accountability to the people a joke. These things are not socialist nor capitalist issues. They are the manifestations of a extremely flawed system. The undue influence of small parties in Brazil (many of whom have no real accountability to the people) represents another huge gap through which money is stolen.

Maybe I am interpreting something wrong. Someone help me to understand this article a bit better.
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written by Simpleton, September 12, 2011
adrianerik, as you are unable to wrap your head around it, just smile, skip the parts you don't think you are liking so much and consider that there may be a couple underlying tenets buried down in there - both for the governed and those that govern them:

"Let us have faith that right makes might, and in that faith, let us, to the end, dare to do our duty as we understand it." A. Lincoln

"Don't Tread On Me" (Christopher Gadsden's flag with South Carolina as the tail, motto on North Carolina's $20 colonial currency)

We are all undergoing a new revolution.
Ooppps
written by Simpleton, September 12, 2011
I forgot what a stickler you are, "Don't Tread On Me" is a motto not a tenet per se.
Stickler? Me?
written by adrianerik, September 12, 2011
Actually I'm not a stickler about anything...I responded to a particular poster who seemed to like to debase people and resort to ad hominems rather than deal facts and valid points raised, and I simply called him/her on it. At which, rather than responding to a listing of readily available historical facts, they resorted to personal attacks.

Wasn't that obvious?

Regarding this post...I understand the post very well. In understanding it, I see inconsistencies. I'm being coy. Folks here know what I'm doing. Anyone who knows the history of Veja and the political inclinations of Veja understand full well. This article is consistent with the "same-ole, same-ole" Veja...IN MY HUMBLE OPINION (to be politically correct).

I wait with 'bated breath for responses from those who see it otherwise.
Our Presidenta should draw strength from this 'people's uprising' & continue in her good fight against corruption and waste.
written by wiseman's twink boyfriend, September 12, 2011
You are so right sweetheart. Do me a favor and buy a new feather for our date nights...the one you have been using the last three weeks has become too abrasive and hurts a little too much. Kisses and licks.
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written by João da Silva, September 12, 2011

.I responded to a particular poster who seemed to like to debase people and resort to ad hominems rather than deal facts and valid points raised, and I simply called him/her on it.


I was not that "particular poster", Doc. Perhaps you are referring to Lord Ederson? Please clarify ASAP, unless you want me to drag "asp" into this discussion (which he would love to do so after he fixes his leaking roof). smilies/smiley.gifsmilies/wink.gifsmilies/cheesy.gif
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written by .., September 12, 2011

Do me a favor and buy a new feather for our date nights...


I didn't know you were a real Teabagger, Herr.Wisemann.smilies/wink.gif
It appears we may have to think twice before Eddy and I invite you over for tea and crumpets.smilies/wink.gifsmilies/cheesy.gifsmilies/grin.gif
Roof was fixed yesterday!
written by Simpleton, September 12, 2011
This is getting monotonous: Adrianerik lowering responses to redneck standards. (No it wasn't you Joao, I think it was usa_bullpucky that was being referred to due to some heated exchange on another thread.) Me actually going out and searching the web to find out what the heck a Teabagger is. (And yes, surprised the heck out of me. We need a Freedom From Disinformation Act passed right away! On the other hand, if there's any spare crumpets at the party I guess Eddie would say I might be adventurous enough to teabag her.)
To Adrianerik
written by Pedro Kadu, September 12, 2011
Why does this article seem more like a rant against PT while the other seems to more objective and a protest against corruption.


Because you need to understand what this huge event represents in the Brazilian context and history. The old PT party and its allied entities like UNE and CUT, were the only and the most vocal civilians protesting against corruption and in the pro of ethics in the politic. And now that they are in power, they bribe these entities and only people who is not in their pockets were protesting in that very important day. This event was a genuine event made by the people not orchestrated by parties and politicians, people are fed up with the all hypocrisy.

Yet, this author focuses on three UNIONS! Will the money to build the headquarters of the UNE be stolen from the government or will it not actually be used to build the headquarters? That is corruption.


I guess you still don't get it. That is not money legally transferred from the Brazilian Federal Government to these civilian entities. That is money TAKEN from our public reserves by a political party in power and given to those people as BRIBE. (to have their loyal support) That is what this article is all about. If that's not corruption, then there is no hope for you


To Adrianerik
written by Pedro Kadu, September 12, 2011
Regarding this post...I understand the post very well. In understanding it, I see inconsistencies. I'm being coy. Folks here know what I'm doing. Anyone who knows the history of Veja and the political inclinations of Veja understand full well. This article is consistent with the "same-ole, same-ole" Veja



Veja is the most popular, the most respected and acclaimed magazine in the history of Brazil. It is the only magazine of its class that is not affiliate with political entities nor parties, does not take money from state-owned companies and does not reveice any financial support from the gorvernment in charge. That speaks volumes about its jornalistic independency and transparency. No other magazine or popular media channel is like that in this country.

And if yoyu know anythnig about Reinaldo Avezedo, you would know he has been exposing our political corruption scandals since he was writing for newspapers a long time ago, or when he was the chief-editor of Primeira Leitura. Veja don't have anything to do with his articles. He is today, perhaps the most well-articulated and most knowleageable jornalist in all Brazil.

Your love for anything PT has put visors on you.
Just because I'm cute doesn't mean I'm stupid
written by adrianerik, September 13, 2011
If Unions are a constituency of the PT and have voted en masse for the PT, even when they had NO power, then it is just good governance to support your base. Who does NOT do that.

That aside, I believe that corruption is a part of the culture of Brazil. It's like if everyone else is tripping each other in the race, then you had better start tripping people too.

I've read many articles in VEJA and find this most "respected" journal to be very questionable in their inclinations. When the "research" done by Ali Kamel is in his book NAO SOMOS RACISTAS is considered legitimate because, MORE THAN 30 YEARS AGO, this journalist had some elementary degree in sociology is to relinquish your role as a journalist to investigate the weak research in his book that was criticized by REAL research sociologists and anthropologists.

I won't go into a list of VEJA and its sins.

BUT, does VEJA knows about these events:

OS ESCANDALOS DE VASP, INSS, ESTATAIS, MERENDA, BB, FUNDO DE PARTICIPACAO, EDMUNDO PINTO, NILO COELHO, TELEMIG, AERONAUTICA, BC, FGTS, CENTRAL DE MEDICAMENTOS, PAUBRASIL, CRUZ VERMELHA, COLAC, DE JAIME CAMPOS, ROBERT REQUIAO, CPI DE DETRAN, RONALDO CUNHA LIMA, ESTACOM, CPI DE PO', COMPRA DOS MANDATOS DE DEPUTADOS DE PSD, PASTA ROSA, CONAN, ENCOL, BANESPA, MAFIA DOS FISCAIS, MAPPIN, BANCO PODRE EM RIO, TRANSBRASIL,

and....well...you get the point.

I list goes on. It is massive. All of these took place...in the 90S!!!! BEFORE the administration of PT. The overwhelming majority involving actors other than PT.

Did the "respected" VEJA somehow miss this history of corruption in Brasil and does this article mislead in suggesting that it is a party problem rather than a problem systemic of Brasil?

Just as was posted in the other article on this site where the protesters did not want any banners against a specific party because as one of the leaders said, "we don't want to let the other parties off of the hook," couldn't the "respected" VEJA have just as high an integrity as the actual protesters they are writing about?

Just asking.
Joao
written by adrianerik, September 13, 2011
Senhor, you don't have it in you to debase people.

That's to your credit.

abracos

(oohhh, I see my post went to the administrators...am I now famous?)
Reply to Joao da Silva
written by Ricardo C. Amaral, September 13, 2011

Ricardo: Joao, I agree with you that "Veja" is a very good magazine.

By the way, my cousin Maria Antonia is married to Roberto Civita – CEO of Grupo Abril.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grupo_Abril

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Brazil needs to do something about the widespread corruption at all levels of government
written by Ricardo C. Amaral, September 13, 2011

Brazzil Magazine – April 13, 2010
"The Brazilian Formula for Success: Dictatorship"
Written by Ricardo C. Amaral
http://www.brazzil.com/compone...l#comments

Quoting from my article:

...It is time for a new General Humberto de Alencar Castelo Branco to rise to power in Brazil to put our house in order including the clean up of the massive crime wave in most cities, the criminal gangs and drug dealers who are completely out of control, and also fix the problem regarding the sem-terra, and sem-teto and stop the land invasion by these people against private property, and do something about the widespread corruption at all levels of government.

We need a general with high character, ethics, morality, an honest man with the highest level of integrity, but at the same time a very special leader who can get this job done - with a mandate to reinstate social order, and clean up the corruption in Brazil.

Today I don't know the name of the potential military candidates in Brazil that could play the role of a new Castelo Branco, but based on recent Brazilian history there’s only one name that comes to mind: General Augusto Heleno Ribeiro Pereira.

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Regarding NATO the criminal organization
written by Ricardo C. Amaral, September 13, 2011

Ricardo: The above article said: “It seems that there are people who think that democracy is an important thing in Egypt, Libya and Syria, but not in Brazil.”

All these revolutions that are exploding all over the place are not about democracy the enclosed video by Gerald Celente explain in detail what is really going on.

Gerald Celente On The Current Global Unrest – August 10, 2011
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E1W25DvbveE


*****


There is an exception to the above list of countries: “Libya”

The government of Libya under Gaddafi was providing the highest standard of living in Africa for the Libyan population, including free haelthcare and education – the Libyan government paid for all healthcare expenses including medicines and if a Libyan need an operation that was not available in Libya – the Libyan government would send that person to get the best healthcare in the world in any country at the Libyan government expenses.

The Libyan government also paid for the education of the Libyan people and if a Libyan wanted to continue its advanced degrees they could go to any university in the world with all expenses paid by the Libyan government.

Every Libyan received in the mail a check for US$ 1,000 every month for them to do anything they wanted with that money.

Every Libyan had the right to receive from the Libyan government a brand new apartment at no charge.

If a Libyan wanted to go into farming the Libyan government would provide the land and everything else that person needed to start farming.

During the 42 years that Gaddafi were in power in Libya the literacy rate went from only 20 percent to today about 90 percent.

According to NATO this is wrong you are not supposed to run a country like this. You are not supposed to spoil the population and share the wealth, give education for the people, healthcare, and so on....

NATO the criminal organization bombed a hell of Libya and made sure that they destroyed all its infrastructure and turned Libya from a 21st century country and they are turning the clock back in Libya to a country from the dark ages.

Now NATO the criminal organization is installing a puppet government with a bunch of nobody's who are going to help NATO pillage all the assets of Libya, not only its oil resources but also the Sovereignty Fund that Gaddafi built during all these years that are worth almost $ 200 billion dollars.

Only a criminal organization such as NATO would have bombed the water resources of people who live on a desert, as they did in Libya.

Conclusion:

NATO will pillage every Libyan asset in sight, and the Libyan people are going to live like most of the people who live in the other African countries without an education, healthcare, and support from the government, no job creation.

If the Libyan people are lucky – NATO will provide them with a camel and a little water and NATO will tell them see what you can do with that and go back to your Bedouin ways.

Today it is Libya that is being destroyed and pillaged by NATO, tomorrow it will be Brazil and South America.

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Anonymous vs. NATO
written by Ricardo C. Amaral, September 13, 2011

Ricardo: Very interesting, and NATO thought that they would get away with the looting and pillaging of the Libyan assets.


Anonymous - The Truth about the War on Libya – September 1, 2011
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ocZ426a4cSo&NR=1


*****


The real truth about Libya and Gaddafi:

The Unfair Demonization of Gaddafi by the Western Power - June 25, 2011
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HaR5lB5BKwQ&NR=1


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Anonymous is creating panic for the US government
written by Ricardo C. Amaral, September 13, 2011

Ricardo: I just found this new video. It looks like these guys are in panic because of Anonymous.

The idea sparked by a Hollywood movie is turning into reality, and it's spreading like wildfire and the US government is in panic.

It is nothing new for the US government to overreact about anything.

FBI Labels "ANONYMOUS" Potential Threat To National Security – September 12, 2011
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l5zT2o1Od9s


Just laughing about these guys and their track record:

1) the Russians are coming....

2) Fidel Castro and Che Guevara are coming....

3) The Chinese are coming....

4) Saddam Hussein is a threat for the USA....

5) The Taliban is coming....(90% of the Afghans never heard of New York city, and they have no idea why the USA is occupying their country)

6) Gaddafi is coming...

7) Iran is coming...

smilies/cool.gif Syria is coming...

9) North Korea is coming...

10) The bogeyman is coming to get you....

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que foi?
written by adrianerik, September 13, 2011
I guess my first post is not approved. Here's another. I'd better hurry before Ricky destroy ANOTHER thread. What do the below cases of corruption have in common. They were all committed in the 1990s and FEW involved the PT

Did the "respected" VEJA miss these.

Escândalo do INSS (ou Escândalo da Previdência Social)
Escândalo do BCCI (ou caso Sérgio Corrêa da Costa)
Escândalo da Ceme (Central de Medicamentos)
Escândalo da LBA
Caso Jorgina de Freitas
Esquema PP
Esquema PC (Caso Collor)
Escândalo da Eletronorte
Escândalo do FGTS
Escândalo da Ação Social
Escândalo do BC
Escândalo da Merenda
Escândalo das Estatais
Escândalo das Comunicações
Escândalo da Vasp
Escândalo da Aeronáutica
Escândalo do Fundo de Participação
Escândalo do BB
Centro Federal de Inteligência (Criação da CFI, primeira Medida Provisória do governo Itamar Franco para combater corrupção em todas as esferas do governo federal) (1992)
Caso Edmundo Pinto (1992)
Escândalo do DNOCS (Departamento Nacional de Obras contra a Seca) (ou caso Inocêncio Oliveira)
Escândalo da IBF (Indústria Brasileira de Formulários)
Escândalo do INAMPS (Instituto Nacional de Assistência Previdência Social)
Caso Nilo Coelho
Caso Eliseu Resende
Caso Queiroz Galvão (em Pernambuco)
Escândalo da Telemig (Minas Gerais)
Jogo do Bicho (ou Caso Castor de Andrade) (no Rio de Janeiro)
Caso Ney Maranhão
Escândalo do Paubrasil (Paubrasil Engenharia e Montagens)
Escândalo da Administração de Roberto Requião
Escândalo da Cruz Vermelha Brasileira
Caso José Carlos da Rocha Lima
Escândalo da Colac (no Rio Grande do Sul)
Escândalo da Fundação Padre Francisco de Assis Castro Monteiro (em Ibicuitinga, Ceará)
Escândalo da Administração de Antônio Carlos Magalhães (Bahia)
Escândalo da Administração de Jaime Campos (Mato Grosso)
Escândalo da Administração de Roberto Requião (Paraná)
Escândalo da Administração de Ottomar Pinto (em Roraima)
Escândalo da Sudene de Pernambuco
Escândalo da Prefeitura de Natal (no Rio Grande do Norte)
CPI do Detran (em Santa Catarina)
Caso Restaurante Gulliver (tentativa do governador Ronaldo Cunha Lima matar o governador antecessor Tarcísio Burity, por causa das denúncias de Irregularidades na Sudene de Paraíba)
CPI do Pó (em Paraíba)
Escândalo da Estacom (em Tocantins)
Escândalo do Orçamento da União (ou Escândalo dos Anões do Orçamento ou CPI do Orçamento)
Compra e Venda dos Mandatos dos Deputados do PSD
CPI da TV Jovem Pan (investigações sobre a compra da emissora que deve ao governo federal) (também conhecido como Caso TV Jovem Pan)
Caso Rubens Ricupero (também conhecido como "Escândalo das Parabólicas").
Escândalo do Banco Econômico (ou Segundo Caso Econômico)
adrianerik
written by João da Silva, September 13, 2011

Senhor, you don't have it in you to debase people.

That's to your credit.


Thanks, Doc. I knew right from the beginning that your comment was not aimed at me, as I have been following the exchange of "farpas" between you and your compatriot over Haiti.smilies/smiley.gif I just wanted to start a healthy debate over this article on "corruption".smilies/cheesy.gif BTW, your narration of the U.S. interference in Haiti was quite educative, I must admit. It is very similar to what our vanished fellow blogger and ASP´s Guru Dr.Lloyd Cata used to write in his rich prose! Not many in this blog knew he was an American just like they don't know you are one too. It does indeed takes lots of guts to criticize the policy of the governments of one´s country without being branded "unpatriotic". Your comment in someway justifies Brasil pulling out our troops from Haiti (Many of us were against sending them right from the start).

Back to corruption:

You said in your first post:

Maybe I am interpreting something wrong. Someone help me to understand this article a bit better.


I think "Pedro Kadu" partly clarified your doubts, along with Rickey (though he seems to imply that his cousin is responsible for the "neutral policy" of Veja!!!!!!!). Veja might have committed blunders in the past & charge a very high subscription rate for their magazine. But they do (like "Estadão") have independent and free thinking journalists like Reinaldo. As I said, I don't agree with him all the time, like I don't with Rickey. But that´s democracy, right?

As for your next post (which was not removed by Rod Mello!!!!!), we will come back and discuss about it later. I am sure Rickey´s "dirty fingers" were not involved.

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Cheers
Ricardo Amaral
written by João da Silva, September 13, 2011

We need a general with high character, ethics, morality, an honest man with the highest level of integrity, but at the same time a very special leader who can get this job done - with a mandate to reinstate social order, and clean up the corruption in Brazil.


If you may recall, our Transport Ministry "belonged" to and was the birthright of the PMDB. Mdme Rousseff did some "ethnic cleansing" in that entity and appointed an Engineer/ General as the headman of DNIT. Here is a link for you to read:

http://www.bahiatodahora.com.b...into-fraxe

To be honest, to clean the house in Brasil, you don't need a General or a Col. We need technocrats with sense of ethics to head the important ministries, regardless of their "political affinity". Doesn't matter whether they are civilians or from the Armed forces.

Unfortunately, both PSDB and PT encouraged cronyism in all levels of the government despising & disregarding "Meritocracy". Collar was a big fraud too (what was his party? PRN?) and "centralized" corruption (Do you remember P.C. Farias?)

Finally our "Dickless Middle class" (Hope Adrian doesn't send me a bill for borrowing his favorite expression!) seems to be waking up from its long slumber. Hope this non-partisan movement against corruption grows and our elected and selected "officials" come down their high pedestals and start respecting law abiding "João Ninguém" who just wants to live and die in peace.smilies/angry.gif
Middle Class used-to-be
written by Simpleton, September 13, 2011
I know this just cobbles up the thread but I really wanted some folks to concentrate on portions in the middle of Rei-nada-do's article so I've used the non-edit buttons to repost it here:

"The thousands who took to the streets do study, work, pay taxes, have dreams, want a better country, are fed up with the thievery, hate ignorance, dishonesty, fight for a better life and know that real achievement is that one that's the fruit of effort.
The thousands who took to the streets can't take collusion any more, they are disgusted with the crooks who have raided the country, they no longer believe the official propaganda, they reject politics as an exercise in lies, and they call impostors those who in the name of fighting against poverty, plunder the country, work swindles, get involved in political machinations that are far from the public interest.
You saw that the thousands who took to the streets were accompanied only by their own peers, who, like them, also took to the streets. It was the true No Politician Movement."

If one can manage ignoring the off-beat tag-alongs using other decent folk's public displays and the minimal media coverage it garners to project their own way-off-the-wall agendas (thus making any name the original group got hung on them a dirty household name which thence gets used, as they deem fit, by higher ups to redirect sentiment), you have, at it's heart, the same-o same-o "Tea Party" movement taking root - it's everywhere. If "João Ninguém"s unite and get any kind of attention, somehow or someway they'll get branded by those that want to put them down / keep them down. Their efforts at public display will attract non-desired elements (whether deviously planted to tarnish their image or not), the misguided actions of a few will get the hot press, or, in other parts of the world, they'll get forcefully subdued and scattered. When they are aided or backed by external elements, the motives will always be questioned and painted by some as devious. The almighty buck (or any other currency or commodity or treasure real or imagined to be gained in some future scenario that one cares to name or identify) will always somehow be used to negate the "João Ninguém"s real and true desire as Joao hits on it, to "just wants to live and die in peace"

House cleaning is a global effort, it isn't easy but it's slowly but surely going to happen.
Simpleton
written by João da Silva, September 13, 2011

Middle Class used-to-be


House cleaning is a global effort, it isn't easy but it's slowly but surely going to happen.


A great post Simpleton. You are a man "Sans Frontières".
Reply to Joao da Silva
written by Ricardo C. Amaral, September 13, 2011

Ricardo: Joao, what do you mean by: "I am sure Rickey´s "dirty fingers" were not involved."?

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Reply to Adrianerik
written by Ricardo C. Amaral, September 13, 2011

Adrianerik: "I'd better hurry before Ricky destroy ANOTHER thread."


*****


Ricardo: Why do you think I am destroying the thread?

I am raising the "red flag" about what is happening on the Middle East, because that is a preview of things to come in South America.

Besides all these scandals are just "Nickels and Dimes" when compared with the future looting from NATO of South American assets.

They are not building seven military bases in Colombia just for the hell of it in an area that is supposed to not be at war, at least at this moment.

After NATO is done pillaging and looting the assets of Libya they are going to send their show on the road to South America - and please don't be surprised if Venezuela is the first country on their list for pillaging and looting. Then Ecuador, Bolivia, Brazil and so on....

When South American countries realize what is happening, it will be too late since the pillaging and looting would be already underway.

The only thing that can stop a NATO pillaging and looting is a country strong military armed with nuclear weapons.

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Ricardo Amaral
written by João da Silva, September 13, 2011

Ricardo: Joao, what do you mean by: "I am sure Rickey´s "dirty fingers" were not involved."?


"Adrianerik" was involved in a "bate boca" with your good friend "U.S. Superpowerless" and some of his posts were removed from this blog. For some unknown reasons, he thought you were the "manda chuva" who did it by making the following remark:

I'd better hurry before Ricky destroy ANOTHER thread.


I just assured him that we both believe in "controlled democracy but without any censorship". Any objections to it, Rickey?

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Ricardo: Joao, what do you mean by: "I am sure Rickey´s "dirty fingers" were not involved."?
written by wiseman, September 14, 2011
He implied that you were with my boyfriend and me inserting your fingers in filthy little places.

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written by .., September 14, 2011

He implied that you were with my boyfriend and me inserting your fingers in filthy little places.


Herr Wiseman, you are taking the "Sans Frontières" concept a little farther than our distinguished bloggers and myself feel comfortable with.smilies/cheesy.gif

Perhaps you should join the ranks of Dr. Lloyd Cata , ASP and vanish until you can find the strength to contain your foibles and conduct yourself with dignity.smilies/smiley.gifsmilies/wink.gifsmilies/cheesy.gifsmilies/grin.gif
simple explanations
written by Simpleton, September 14, 2011
Joao, why are you answering Ricky's question to Adrienerik - can't she speak for herself? I loved the way you got to the point in my prior post, I was sure everyone would miss it. You sir are one sharp cookie! Now let me take a whack at addressing Adrienerik's dilema:

The site was boggy, some posts didn't actually go in although they had at first appeared to do so but coming back to look again later they were gone (as if deleted). Others went in but only after a significant delay again not appearing until a return visit some time later. Pretty sure Adrianerik had had such type of things happening to her posts but she just jumped to the conclusion someone was f'ing with her entries / the administrators had taken an unnatural interest in her. (Maybe that was just what she needed.)

Ricardo does go on and on and on sometimes and a lot of his posts are just a series of links pointing to his sources with no added Rickyvalue. Those, from time to time tend to drone on and with seemingly nearly identical content being posted in multiple threads. It appeared Ricky was in the process of being Ricky again. Adrianerik, who has a diction problem when po'd about something / anything, didn't just spit it out. Since Adrianerik's own post was rather long and listy-like, she just wanted her own turn to fill the space but with something of her own and not get her say swallowed up in a void. (But again, maybe that's what she really needed even if she didn't want it that way.)

hermafroditas profecias cumpridas!
Reply to Joao da Silva
written by Ricardo C. Amaral, September 14, 2011

Ricardo: Joao, what do you mean by: "I am sure Rickey´s "dirty fingers" were not involved."?

I thought you were implying that I was a hacker, and that I was deleting other peoples posting.

By the way, some of my postings also were not posted immediately and a notice said that my posting was going to be reviewed before it apeared here in the comments section of the articles.

I have no idea about what is happening here on Brazzil magazine, and I also have no idea who is reviewing the postings before they are posted here on Brazzil magazine.

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Ricardo Amaral
written by João da Silva, September 14, 2011

Ricardo: Joao, what do you mean by: "I am sure Rickey´s "dirty fingers" were not involved."?

I thought you were implying that I was a hacker, and that I was deleting other peoples posting.


No, I wasn't implying that you were a hacker. Just re-read what I wrote:

"I am sure Rickey´s "dirty fingers" were not involved."

I think you missed the "NOT"! But never mind. I don't think you are the kind of guy who would censor posts that oppose your views.

and I also have no idea who is reviewing the postings before they are posted here on Brazzil magazine.






Actually......
written by adrianerik, September 14, 2011
I'm a HE (with too much testosterone actually) and I wanted to talk about corruption and ways to deal with it. And it's so easy to be a topic killer around here.

I've no issue with the length of anyone's pieces especially when they are informing.

But when an author takes the time to research, write and submit his piece to brazzil.com, it seems only respectful that it gets its proper vetting, whether negative or positive.

I was only joking about there being some dire hand behind the delayed posting of my post. In the years that I've come here I know that is not the case.

Calma!
adrianerik
written by João da Silva, September 14, 2011

Everyone knows you are a "He" and probably Simpleton was pulling your leg"

I wanted to talk about corruption and ways to deal with it. And it's so easy to be a topic killer around here.


In order not to kill the topic of corruption, our Minister of Tourism ( I am clueless why this Ministry even exists) obliged us all by asking for resignation.smilies/cheesy.gif. Here is the link.

http://www.estadao.com.br/noti...2611,0.htm

He is from PMDB and a great friend of Mr.Sarney. I wonder what Rickey has to say about this.smilies/wink.gif
Strong men!?
written by adrianerik, September 14, 2011
Brasil tires me out! Really.

This is where I understand Senhor Amaral's desire for a dictator. When all three levels of a country's government is corrupt, where does the vanguard come from.

The people? It could...and should? But an anti-corruption movement must be more than a day at the beach with specially printed t-shirts that says "I was there". A movement has to challenge each corrupt level for control of their country.

Senhor Amaral clearly detests the MST, but the middle class needs to imitate the actions of the MST and initiate confrontation with its own corrupt judicial, legislative and executive branches. The middle class needs to stop acting like a pretend upper class and join in solidarity with the lower and "no"er income folks to demand a transparent, accountable governmental process.

This is what needs to happen...and it ain't gonna happen. People are going to get beaten, jailed and killed. And Brazilians don't like to receive pain.

That's not true. Brazilians can sacrifice for a cause but, from talking to my friends, the stench is so intensive, and the sense of solidariy has been so "pulverized" that everyone feels that a sacrifice will be in vain.

Therefore...everyone awaits Jesus or searches for miracles through buying "sanctified" towels from shysters on tv, or if Jesus takes too long, and the "miracles" only take place for other people, then people light candles for the arrival of some Strong Man...a fascist for the right wing...a Fidel for the left wing to stab this corruption monster in the heart and then set up.....? Who knows?

Ah, there's the rub! (for after the nightmares of life, are there darker nightmares in death). Or a government organized by a meglomaniac.

What I would suggest would get me deported. And I live across from the ocean with expenses of 500 reais a month and enjoy the view. And if I could only sneak in a used 2003 Mini-Cooper through Bolivia (about 12,000 reais in the States) I could be quite happy avoiding Brazil's problems.

I will pray for Brazil and buy sanctified towels from holy men on tv.
Ricardo Libya is in total chaos just like Iraq
written by a.norlina, September 14, 2011
The latest rumours I heard is that Col. Gaddafi is hiding somewhere in the Sahara desert and some even said that he is in one of the African states. However one senior diplomat said that he is stll hiding in Libya. Ricardo when I was still a student the last time some Libyan diplomats paid a visit to my uni. and those diplomats both junior and senior are driving the sports mercedes benz while Latin American diplomats are driving Volkswagen cars just like the rest of us ........you are politically correct that the Libyans are rich during the Col Gaddafi governance........
The issue with the barred posts
written by BrazzilMagazine, September 14, 2011
We don't censor postings. There are some words, however. that trigger the system to leave messages unpublished: 99% of them are commercial spam. By mistake we included in these words - ugg - one of the most notorious abusers. The problem is that words like suggestion (which contains ugg, started getting caught too. It took us some time to find out the culprit. Sorry to those who had stuff embargoed. If this posting shows up it's a sign the problem has been solved. Abrazzos
adrianerik
written by João da Silva, September 14, 2011

Senhor Amaral clearly detests the MST,


Menos, menos...... Senhor Amaral never ever (to my knowledge) expressed his dislike for MST. Probably he would have, if he had had the pleasure (or displeasure) of meeting the "pseudo intellectual" headman of that entity.smilies/wink.gifYou too would have done the same.smilies/cheesy.gif

That's not true. Brazilians can sacrifice for a cause but, from talking to my friends, the stench is so intensive, and the sense of solidariy has been so "pulverized" that everyone feels that a sacrifice will be in vain.


Your friends must be a bunch of Bundões. You´ve been keeping bad company, sir-I regret to bring this unpleasant fact to your attention.smilies/shocked.gif

What I would suggest would get me deported.


You haven't suggested any thing concrete so far to warrant your deportation.smilies/smiley.gif but..but...but, if you really want, we can bring up some trumped up charges against you, to make your crossing into Bolivia a "memorable" one, with all the "holy" men escorting you and with your image splashed all over the Brasilian TV networks.smilies/cheesy.gifsmilies/grin.gif
wikileaks of U.S. subversion in Brazil: Search: apublica.org !!!
written by jan z. volens, September 15, 2011
A team of Brazil's journalists is systematically investigating the thousands of "wikileaks" revealing U.S. subversion in Brazil. They appear published in website: apublica.org .In the section "wikileaks" . The attached text is in Portuguese, but the original can be read in English. (Example: Brazil's Foreign Minister Lampreira, 1995-20001, described Lula da Silva to the U.S. Ambassador as "Lula is a pragmatic conservative".)
The list of U.S.& British NGOs involved in anti-Brazil media campaign: See CONVERSA AFIADA
written by jan z. volens, September 15, 2011
The ABIN analysis of U.S. & British NGOs that operate the international media campaign against Belo Monte, can be seen: Search CONVERSA AFIADA julho 5.2011. They are: Amazonwatch, International Rivers, Avaaz Foundation, Greenpeace, Worldwide Fund for Nature WWF, Rainforest Foundation U.S., International Foundation for Environmental Defense AIDA, The Nature Conservancy TNC, Friends of the Earth, Conservation International CI, CLINTON GLOBAL INITIATIVES CGI. ABIN present details about their background and financing. (A guess: After the founding of CELAC - they Association of Latin American and Caribbean Nations, in December 2011 - a movement will develop in many nations to curb the meddling and subversion by entities from the U.S., Britain, and Germany. )
Reply to Brazzil magazine
written by Ricardo C. Amaral, September 15, 2011

Ricardo: Rodney, over the years I posted information about your magazine on the web a number of times, and I always said that you had no hidden agenda, and that you believed in free speech and freedom of the press.

I also mentioned that you published articles from the far right to the far left and anything in between.

I don't expect anybody to agree 100 percent with my point of view and my opinions, and if people agree with me only 60 percent of the time that's fine with me.

My opinions also change over time as new information is available, or the circumstances about a certain event changes, and I adjust my way of thinking accordingly.

Here is what I posted in April 2008 on the Elite Trader Economics forum about Brazzil magazine:

http://www.elitetrader.com/vb/...ost1880474


04-12-08 10:46 AM

Richardyu301: SA, nice post... I always enjoy your articles.


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SouthAmerica: Reply to Richardyu301

Thank you for your support.

Many people on this forum send me direct emails to let me know that they enjoy reading my postings on a regular basis. And some of these people also told me that they don’t post these comments on these forums because they don’t want to be flamed by the usual suspects.

But thanks it is nice to know that some people enjoy reading these postings.

Brazzil magazine it does not have any hidden agenda and you can find articles on that magazine from the far right to the far left and any shades in between. The editor of that magazine believes in free speech and that is why I send him my articles for publication, and I also post on this forum.

I also don’t believe in being politically correct, that is why I piss off so many people with my writings.

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apolitical devil's advocate
written by Simpleton, September 15, 2011
I clearly don't share your high moral ground all the time Ricky. I'll play the devil's advocate and find (sometimes absurd) ways to piss people off when I see they really need that to come down off their apparent testosterone / progesterone driven steroidal rage / ragging. It was "hump night" last night and I sure hope Adrianerik got the pent up frustrations resolved (by the spouse, a close relative, spouse of a good neighbor, hitting the showers at the local y or by standing out by the road waiting for a couple bubbas or bubbets with a couple bucks to rub him/her between them - whatever works).

As to suggestions (now that I can use that dirty spam-like offending word) to reduce corruption, what say we eliminate / make it illegal to have unions for those working in the public sector? I'm a firm believer there should be none, unions in the private sector is okay / I have no beef with that (although it has contributed to the lowering of competitiveness for countries like the EUA). What would be wrong with insisting those that are effectively people hired to serve ALL of us do just that? Teachers, Firemen, Policemen, other's effectively on the public dole (whether directly or indirectly) going on strike seems so unpatriotic.
Joao
written by adrianerik, September 15, 2011
Unless he's changed his mind, Amaral's MST solution is to ship them to another South American country. That was posted on this site. His view is that only large scale farming is the future of Brazil.

I don't look for perfection from those individuals and groups who protest against an unjust system. If I accept that the system is indeed unfair than the weight is on the system and the powers who dominate it to suggest ALTERNATIVES. There is no such thing an unflawed movement. But I accept the elevation of tension that movement causes, especially in situations such as Brasil where the inertia for the corrupt to end their thieving ways is non-existent. Tension is not the enemy. By definition, a 'representative' democratic society should exist in constant tension with that small group chosen to govern that society.

This, in my opinion, is not the case in Brazil.

In addition to the protests stated in this article, real democratic 'tension' must be increased. And the reality is that the other side, those 'poderes' don't often yield as they should...actually, they rarely yield...and that is where the Brazilian have to decide how far they want to go in applying these American words from the Declaration of Independence "That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it". These ends are "life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness".

MST provokes the integrity of the Brazilian system, for better or for worse. The law, the police and economic thrust. The system of quotas in Brazil, are absolutely imperfect, but they provoke a tension that is needed. The participants of the above protests have to go far beyond expressing their...anger. They have to create a tension that must be responded to.

By the way, it is quite easy to come into here from Bolivia. There will be no one to stop you, they will all be sleeping and will depend upon taxi drivers and bus drivers to tell you to get a room and stay around until the authorities wake up.

Just something I heard.
the problem with mst, adrian
written by asp, September 15, 2011
is their bogus flawed philosphy

no, i dont think brazil needs tensions with bs movements who regurgitate flawed ideologies promote violence

brazil had movements that caused collar to resign without violence.they could do it against corruption , with out violence. great change can come about without violence, it doesnt always need a violent revolution....i think che gueverra was a meglomatical son of a bitch, f**k, they shot more people in cuba under him and fidel than all of the south american dictatorships put together...

dumb flawed philosophies will muck up the truth and cause worse confusion than demonstrating on a large leval with the truth and non violence as the objective. causing tension can set movements back a long ways

joao, my computor is broke down and out, but, f**k it, im in miami on business and at a cyber cafe....damn i love south beach, so many women of
different shades and from different places...hope you enjoy the remaining cold temperatures...im swimming in warm water
tension does not equal violence
written by adrianerik, September 15, 2011
You don't understand what tension is. Are the quotas threatening violence? But they are an unrelenting threat to the status quo. That is what tension is. Filing lawsuits is tension. Strikes are tension.

The issue is not MST, the issue is an historical inequitable distribution of land. What are the alternatives? It is so easy to be arm chair quarterbacks who essentially place nothing on the table.

In Cuba, the issue was not Castro nor Che. Castro actually appealed to the United States, thinking that leaders here did not understand the corruption taking place and the dispossessing of Cuban land by United Fruits of America.

They saw appeals for democracy being stamped out in the Dominican Republic with Trujillo being trained by the Marines and supported by the U.S. They saw the same in Haiti. They saw democracy being stamped out in Guatemala leading to a horrific massacre. Once again supported by our government.

Our government even threatened, at one point, to send troops to South Africa...on the side of the RACISTS!

So it's easy to quarterback from the sidelines when we don't claim ownership of a problem and can offer no alternatives to our people.

When a problem clearly exists, people with no alternatives do not have a voice. I didn't support the Panthers in the U.S. but I never will condemn them. They were reacting in a land where no one acted and racist police acted as if slavery never ended. In 1966, 1968 and 1970 there were national conferences where alternatives to the Panther's armed conflict were suggested.

Outside of Amaral's "friendly facist" dictatorship, what are the ALTERNATIVES being offered to ease the inequity of being the country with one of the most unequal distribution of income on earth. It has an aggregate GDP that places it about 9th in the world. But it has a per capita income that places it around the level of Zimbabwe...and that measures the extent of a country involving it's people in its productive process.

So this is not a game of ideologies. It is a game of lives and before anyone criticizes a group, you must first show that you understand the stench that these groups are confronting. Maybe they are wrong. Maybe they are right. But their reality is that the tensions they are creating are pushing the issue.

Would you be talking about the issues of destitute Brazilians in the Interior in any other scenario. No! You make movies about them running to Sao Paulo or Rio or Curitiba and being ridiculed and accused of fomenting urban violence. All of Brazil cannot live in the litoral areas selling themselves to tourists which is the only growth industry besides building luxury condos. There must be a national plan.

America was fortunate enough to have a strong muckraking media, first newspapers, then radio, then television which could elevate the cause of its citizens. It remains to be seen whether Brazilian media can be as tenacious.
asp
written by João da Silva, September 15, 2011

joao, my computor is broke down and out, but, f**k it, im in miami on business and at a cyber cafe....damn i love south beach, so many women of
different shades and from different places...hope you enjoy the remaining cold temperatures...im swimming in warm water


Thank God, you are still alive and escaped the wrath of the Rain Gods! Hope that corrupt "sindico" is taking "good" care of your mansion while you are in Miami in pursuit of those hot women over there.smilies/wink.gifsmilies/cheesy.gifsmilies/grin.gif

I "perused" your comment addressed to Adrianerik as well his addressed to me.

My preliminary conclusion: Rickey left Brasil a long time ago and Adrian came over here very recently. So they both are clueless of the "evolution" of democracy in Brasil since 1985. Especially, Adrian (who I thought was from South Chicago, until he confessed recently that he is a "South Carolino"-Could be he is related to John Edwards, one never knows). I have to admit (reluctantly, though) that you and Simpleton know as much about Brasil as Costa and my good self.

Adrian reminds me of a wealthy American lady whom I met a long time ago here who went overboard with "Pasquim" and used to get into endless arguments over their "editorial views". She used to remind me of Patty Hearst and I told her so. She got very upset with me. but...but...but... you know what happened to "Pasquim" and how the owners made quite a bit of profit by claiming they were victims of the "Ditadura".

I intend writing more about these patriotic gentlemen from MST, UNE & CUT later on (In spite of my being a peasant, I stil remember history). ie. After Rickey comments on "corruption practices" among the "elected and selected" officials since 1985!

When are you coming back, you philanderer? On New Year eve? Lucky you. smilies/wink.gifsmilies/cheesy.gifsmilies/grin.gif

P.S.: I told ya not to buy a Computer made in PRC. You never listen to me.smilies/angry.gif
Just waiting . . .
written by capnamerca, September 15, 2011
For the crooked politicians to blame this uprising on the CIA. Hey, who knows? Maybe they're using facebook for what it was designed, huh? They might even be on Orkut ! ! ! If they can spell it ! ! !
To be honest . . .
written by capnamerca, September 15, 2011
I've said this 100 times in these forums, and I'll probably say it 100 times more. Until Brazil decides to educate ALL of it's children, it can't go much further towards first world status. I saw above Mr. Amaral noted that Libya provided free education at any university in the world for all of it's citizens. I'm betting he doesn't propose the same level of compassion and caring for the citizens of his own country. P;ease feel free to correct me if I'm in error there.

The wealthy always like to keep the poor people down. It's what maintains their sense of superiority. And without the participation of all of the citizens, Brazil will find themselves stuck in mediocrity, corruption, and class warfare, as it has always been.

The rich are afraid to educate the poor. They are afraid the poor will gain too much power, and demand their rightful slice of the pie. Especially now that Brazil's pie has become so much larger.

I have been amazed in the years I have spent in Brazil at the acceptance of inequity, of usury, and pretty much legalized slavery. Minimum wage? That's a joke. Most of the people I know dream of getting paid the minimum wage, even though it isn't enough for a single person, let alone a family.

And the health care system is just as big a joke as the public school system, if not worse. I know people who prefer to suffer from diseases for fear of using the public health care system.

If Brazilians really want to clean up the government, they're going to have to go a lot farther than demanding an end to corruption. They're going to have to insist that the savings (It has to be in the Billions) go toward education and health care. These two issues alone can transform a country much faster and add more stability than selling off all of the natural resources to foreign countries. Brazil needs to build industry, and they can't do it without an educated worker base.
Uau! capnamerica
written by adrianerik, September 15, 2011
I agree with your entire post.
Yep
written by Simpleton, September 16, 2011
Nothing wrong with a little honesty. . . Not quite so sure about the motive for the rich being afraid to educate the poor that you stated though capn. (BTW, your post wasn't a bad read either there adrianerik but weren't you a bit young to have supported the Panthers?)
Sarkozy will visit Libya soon.....
written by a.norlina, September 16, 2011
Suddenly out of the blue moon Sarkozy the French President will be visiting Libya. He even said that " it will takes 10 billion dollars for the next 10 years to rebuild Libya." I just have one question to the French president, "Sir how come you look so pale late last night as if you have seen a ghost after the MOU agreement with the ex-French President that you accused of smear political campaign to tarnish your image Sir Sarkozy"????????????
Accept...but not Endorse
written by adrianerik, September 16, 2011
Nothing wrong with a little honesty. . . Not quite so sure about the motive for the rich being afraid to educate the poor that you stated though capn. (BTW, your post wasn't a bad read either there adrianerik but weren't you a bit young to have supported the Panthers?)


Every act of resistance of an oppressed people is "legitimate". Every act of resistance is not necessarily effective (such as riots). Yes, I was young, but not THAT young. Being, what we called at the time, a "nationalist", my group was opposed to Panther ideology, which was a thrown together mish-mash of Mao communism and black pride. But we accepted the legitimacy of the Panther's struggle. Los Angeles police were probably the most brutal police in the nation at that time. Their tactics in creating their own counter-tension (as opposed to the tension created by brutal white policemen acting as overseers in the poor black communities) was admirable. Everything the Panthers did was protected under the United States Constitution. In addition to Mao's red book all Panthers had to carry around the Declaration of Independence of the United States.

That's the point I wanted to make to Joao and others. I know much of the history from 1985 until now. We all like to think that our various countries are something unique and undecipherable but they are not. As Paulo Pinheiro, a political science teacher at the University of Sao Paulo writes, the development of democracy follows the same patterns as the "third wave" of democracy in Eastern Europe and early democracy in the United States.

Brazil is only 25 years into this new wave. Washington D.C. the capital of the United States also just got the right to elect its own leaders about 25 years ago and reflects the same growing pains.

The essential is this, the only way for democracy and diverse communities to accept each other as fellow citizens is the belief that EVERYONE is accountable to a set of laws that set the parameters of everyday life. The United States used to have vigilante justice until the country proved that the courts would act in the best interest of its citizens.

Brazil entered the 80s with a constitution of democracy managed by a structure of authoritarianism left by the dictators. It left a structure whereby no "non-elite" could use laws to put the "elite" in check.

The entire process of democratization of Brasil has been organized citizens, ONGS and individuals creating tension between the ideals of the democratic constitution and the reality of the entrenched and cultural authoritarian realities. Using protests, appeals to the law, strikes, appeals to local, state and federal governments.

And there have been successes over the last 25 years.

But as some of my activist friends in Bahia say, "we know that THEY are not going to ENFORCE these changes. We just accept that they put them on the books."

Fine.

But there comes a point, when climbing the mountain, that you must finally dominate the mountain. The judicial system has to be the three-headed Cerebrus watchdog that allows democracy and civil rights to enter and authoritarianism to keep out. That is broken in Brazil. It doesn't work, for the most part.

So who safeguards democracy and civil rights? This is the tension that has to be created, not just by and for one class, but the professionals in the middle class, creating tension on behalf of the excluded classes who most often bear the frontal assault of authoritarianism and politicians who have no fear of punishment.

A black youth killed by the police on his way to play futebol (and blamed on "auto-resistencia") has to generate the same middle class outrage and media coverage AND connection to corrupt authoritarian practices as a congressman buying a 6 million reais island after 1 year in office or a white university student killed by a "favelado", still illiterate, despite having 7 years of public education.
And Dictators can't do that.
written by adrianerik, September 16, 2011
This is the basic problem with Amaral's fascist desire for a dictator.

One: it is fascism. All of Amaral's writings indicate that he orders people by their economic value to the States.

Two: Brazil's problem is an entrenched culture of authoritarianism. You don't then re-implement a stronger culture of authoritarianism to eliminate the pathological symptoms of a society (corruption, crime,etc)
when the authoritarian culture just feeds off of authoritarian culture.

The people have to challenge this culture, in the name of democracy, and the people have to win.

These democratic victories become the new social culture. Look at England, look at France, look at the United States.

A black security guard can bring down the president of the United States because the law trumps everything.

It helps to have strong leaders who work within the democratic process but a dictator, uh uhh!
adrian and joao
written by asp, September 16, 2011
adrian , first, im a fan of a lot of what you say

lets clarify here, i specified brazil, i didnt say the black movement in america shouldnt have had the"tension" that it did. but, make no mistake, the usa racial climate is far from ideal, there is way too much division. and, the extreme violence generated by the fringe groups only seriously alianated a large part of america and ushered in the nixon and agnew administration and the american pshyche , black and white, havent really come to grips with it yet..its a work in progress

no, i dont think just any old "tension" is fine. it can delute the real obgectives. much better to have as many people in the same direction as posible with real goals in mind rather than splintered chaos

quotas in brazil is a tension worth putting out there , i agree with that kind of tension, and is radicly different than mst tactics.

cmon adrian, castro was in colombia during the bogatso, and was always in the marxist corner.what is funny is , one of the biggest arguments from castro supporters (not saying you are) is that he cleaned up the horrible prostitution that was rampant then. but, we come to find out those prostitutes still exist over there, especialy for gringos on the side of the hotels that dont let the cubans in...

no, i dont think mst, running everything they do through their filter of a flawed ideology, and, just creating confrontation because it is part of their philosophy, is healthy and can really make a differance. it only confuses the real issues and alianates a lot of people who are really do want change also.

joao, i did get caught in the worse rain back there...and, its business not a vacation, ill be up in the apple also, but, yeah, im having a hell of a lot of fun....and, i dont own a mansion, i have the worst built apartment in my whole barrio.....ahhhhh
adrianerik
written by João da Silva, September 16, 2011

You were doing extremely well until you made the following statement, Doc:

These democratic victories become the new social culture. Look at England, look at France, look at the United States.


If you are looking forward to seeing Brasil integrate into this "Coalition of these three Willing Nations with new social culture", I would rather prefer it remains isolated from rest of the world.smilies/cheesy.gifsmilies/grin.gif

Jokes apart, the comments written by you & Capitão America are highly laudable. But...but...but.. I still think the lack of education of the Brasilian mass has nothing to do with "Corruption practiced" by their elected and selected officials. It is more to do with the "lack of access" to diversified information. As you probably know since 1985, our Communications "laws" have been written to favor the powerful groups to own TV, Radio and Newspapers. For example, in our state, one particular group that had rebroadcasting rights (as well publishes a tabloid) for a particular TV network bought out all the competing newspapers. The telephone (both mobile and land phone) companies are owned by Mexicans, Spanish and Portuguese who now want to get into cable TV business too. Needless to say, to keep the mass (who do have God given brains, don't they?) ignorant and inaccessible to useful information and but..but..but only to brainwashing "News".

Having spoken just half of my mind, I have to add that our college professors (barring the ones in the "hard sciences") are the lackeys to the ruling "elite". They shed alligator tears for the "have nots" and incite them to go on the streets and fields to "demonstrate", while they sit in their armchairs and gulp one "Ballentine" after another to ensure their tenures in some Federal University. (MST´s headman????). FYI, some "elementos" in our local Federal University (Faculties of Philosophy, Sociology, etcsmilies/wink.gif are on strike for the past 3 to 4 months. The Librarians are on strike and so are the Restaurant workers. You think the life is not going on? No, the rest of the university is functioning normally, without the librarians nor the restaurant.

So Dr.McCray, what Reinaldo says about UNE & MST is to certain extent true. Re the poor sods in CUT, I know their history. The movement was started by clerks working for the state owned banks and other enterprises. One of our ex-Presidents who was trained at Sorbonne sold the assets of the "povo" for peanuts, rendering them all jobless. Their "leaders" got cushy jobs in the next government which was "supposed" to "review" the policy of privatization. Only thing was that it did not happen & I don't think it would ever happen.

As for Mr.Amaral´s "fascist desire" for a dictator, I cordially invite him to defend his views.smilies/smiley.gifsmilies/wink.gifsmilies/cheesy.gif
asp
written by João da Silva, September 16, 2011

joao, i did get caught in the worse rain back there...and, its business not a vacation, ill be up in the apple also, but, yeah, im having a hell of a lot of fun..


I ´ve been to Miami several times, asp. Still my preferred destination is the "Windy City" when it is not too windy nor snowing over there.smilies/wink.gifsmilies/cheesy.gif
Patches
written by Simpleton, September 16, 2011
nort of the windy city things have chilled down a bit. 105 BTU heater was fired up for the first time last night. Not even dark yet and it's on again. A fluke in the weather patterns or maybe it was because of the smoke coming in from over 850 km away in Minnersouter earlier this week from the forest fires. The "Farmer's Almanac" says it's going to be a biatch this winter. Saw patches of frost on the neighbors well kept lawn early yesterday morning. A "killing frost", when it comes, will be welcome. Need something close to that to sweeten up the carrots in the garden prior to harvesting. (I'm wondering how our favorite cunuck Jon is doing, he's been absent for far too long.)

Your preferences regarding integration of Brasil are in line with my own Joao. Let's not go there, and futhermore, as to those that think there will be some kind of invasion, external takeover, pillaging, "assimilation" - well, I'll be blunt about it - They are off their rocker and have been watching too many next generation episodes and movies.
I ´ve been to Miami several times also, asp...very gay friendly in South Beach
written by wiseman, September 17, 2011
How long will you be there? I can meet you on Monday!
ha
written by asp, September 17, 2011
is this the real wiseman or the false one?ew
mascarado(a)
written by Simpleton, September 17, 2011
Asp, the posts here and in the other threads are not funny enough to be our favorite heshe and wiseacre Costinha (who would self-identify anyway) and wiseman generally has been in the habit in the past of contributing vs baiting. A heisted handle would be my initial guess but most certainly wiseman is entitled to adopt his alter ego (or is it real?) and be a rather inteligent (if a bit ecentric) flaming feather fetished gay jewish man (with or without the effects of the ecstasy the Israili's import heavily into Brasil) - that's only if that's what he feels like being at any given time of course. I wouldn't expect him to even bother to respond if it's an imposter so your question remains valid but unlikely to be answered.
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written by .., September 17, 2011

I can meet you on Monday!


I am in Kowloon and renting a balloon to be with you on Monday.
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written by asp, September 18, 2011
you are right, simps....

joao, im in total agreement about the professors...

i dont know about all these gay referances about miami, there is a lot of fine women here
trust but verify
written by Simpleton, September 18, 2011
A bit different there in maeami, even when you are blasted out of your gourd things are bit more direct open and honest, rare that you have to remember to "check it" to be certain one way or the other like in Rio.
Simpleton
written by João da Silva, September 18, 2011

trust but verify


Great post, Simpleton. Short and objective, as usual.smilies/cheesy.gif

you have to remember to "check it" to be certain one way or the other


Agreed. But...but...but..., do you have some written procedures and norms as how to "check it"? smilies/wink.gifsmilies/cheesy.gifsmilies/grin.gif

Cheers

P.S. to ASP:

there is a lot of fine women here


Bring them all when you return home.smilies/tongue.gif
To asp and simpleton
written by wiseman, September 18, 2011
One must then conclude that your panties are quite drab & your sex lives boring to non-existant. So sad! Since you are 'americans' perhaps a quick jaunt to Greenwich Village or the Castro might be in good order........
being a flaming feather fetished gay jewish man is not an alter ego.........costinha is funny???????????
what the f**k , who ever you are...
written by asp, September 19, 2011
you would give your left nut to have the sex life with women i have had...

im off to new york tomorow ...

joao, im bringing one really fine woman home with me, that is for sure...
bard xes efil
written by Simpleton, September 19, 2011
Well, that's certainly one way to go about verifing there wiseman, on hot nights in Rio the gals don't wear panties and will flash you - not so drab and not so boring ne'?

Procedure:
Step 1 - don't get drunk off your gourd till you are heading home to the hottie already sleeping in your bed or she swings by to pick up the key from you on her way there.
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asp, "the who ever you are" is clearly a centrist having neither a right nor a nut left. I think they call those enuchs. Either way, glad to hear your dear got to travel along with you on this trip.
asp
written by João da Silva, September 19, 2011

joao, im bringing one really fine woman home with me, that is for sure...


A wise decision, asp.smilies/wink.gifsmilies/cheesy.gifsmilies/grin.gif

But..but...but..., when are you returning home?
asp
written by .., September 19, 2011

you would give your left nut to have the sex life with women i have had...


A self validating remark, asp.smilies/wink.gifsmilies/cheesy.gifsmilies/grin.gif

But..but...but..., make sure to properly deflate your fine woman before packing her in your luggage.
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written by Tripple-Dott, September 20, 2011

But..but...but..., make sure to properly deflate your fine woman before packing her in your luggage.


Sie haben einen großartigen Sinn für Humor. Hoffnung Herr.ASP passt es mit einem passenden Antwort. Vielen Dank, dass uns zum Lachen.smilies/wink.gifsmilies/cheesy.gifsmilies/grin.gif
ill be back in oct , joao
written by asp, September 21, 2011
you got it right, simps, the finest woman of them all is my lady and she came with me...

the apple is always really cool....lots of fine women here also..
Electronic protest: the beginnings of an alternative approach to corruption
written by DU 48, September 21, 2011
An important article, eventhough mainstream journalists are playing down the protests in Rio, never mind the impact on the social network sites.
Thanks, J da S, for the Reinaldo Blog link where he also mentions Voto Distrital as an idea for change.In my view, this change in the voting system is exactly what is needed to improve political accountability-at the LOCAL level.

http://www.euvotodistrital.org.br/assine/

On the day after the Sir Ney clan wriggles out of yet another corruption scandal 'STJ acode o clã Sarney' Estadao, 20Sept, it is right that Reinaldo suggests reflecting on the reasons for 'moral decay' in Brazilian politics, and that continuously registering opposition and complaints by any means is essential.

Ethics -in politics? Difficult, but looking at the subject from a broader prespective, how about this summary by Ute Craemer,a German teacher well-known for her work in the Monte Azul Favela in Sao Paulo:

in many people today the individual search for meaning and the striving for responsible actions for the world complement each other: ethical individualism and individual altruism.



DU 48
written by João da Silva, September 21, 2011

Welcome back DU48. Long time no hear.smilies/sad.gif

Thanks, J da S, for the Reinaldo Blog link where he also mentions Voto Distrital as an idea for change.In my view, this change in the voting system is exactly what is needed to improve political accountability-at the LOCAL level.


I am glad you went through Reinaldo´s link and read about the idea of "Voto Distrital", which is shared not only by us but many many others. Though the movement against corruption is ignored or downplayed by the "mainstream" media, I think, hope and wish that it is given continuity by independent, indignant and apolitical Brasilian citizens who are sick and tired of being shafted by our "elected and selected" officials.

On the day after the Sir Ney clan wriggles out of yet another corruption scandal 'STJ acode o clã Sarney' Estadao, 20Sept, it is right that Reinaldo suggests reflecting on the reasons for 'moral decay' in Brazilian politics, and that continuously registering opposition and complaints by any means is essential.


That "clan" wriggles out all the time and their luck seems to have rubbed on our ex-senator (who didn't win the election for the governor last year). This one got an important Ministerial post!! Is it just a coincidence or a "planned action" by some cosmic power that these two "clans" are in charge of Electrical Power industry from North to South? smilies/wink.gifsmilies/cheesy.gifsmilies/grin.gif
Can't buy me love
written by Simpleton, September 21, 2011
no! No! NO! At the risk of sounding too dambed "independent, indignant and apolitical", even if not a Brasilian citizen (yet), the turkey shoot is on. The high profile targets may seem to have escaped but that's just part of the play, just like strategic strikes at the top echelons in Rochina last April, there are powerful forces with intel and a lot more patiencia / "umph" that are going to eventually take them down. Growing a "grass roots" movement amongst the populus is just a beginning to the end - NGOs start with the people, people who care. How fast did you want the who electrical grid to go down or expire due to fullblown inadequacy? We can arrange that if you thought it would help.
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written by fried CHC, September 21, 2011



quote]Can't buy me love
written by Simpleton


ZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZ.....wake me up when simps, asp, and João/Tripple Dott/..,/Double-Dot, and the mighty fairy wiseman are done with the circle jerk.


WE WANT THE CHRONIC HERPES CARRIER.......WE WANT THE CHRONIC HERPES CARRIER!!!!!!!!!!!!!!



Cheers,

Costinha
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written by João da Silva, September 22, 2011

WE WANT THE CHRONIC HERPES CARRIER.......WE WANT THE CHRONIC HERPES CARRIER!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


I wholeheartedly agree with you, Costão. We need spicier comments from "neutral parties" to fight the "Corruption Practices".smilies/cheesy.gif

But...but...but... I think ch.c had too many "affairs" in North Africa and ended up as fertilizer in the Sahara desert.smilies/sad.gif

More But....but....but... sometime ago, "Kiwi" made some interesting comments, but...but...but...you chased him away coming out with your logical and powerful argument that "Goats are less susceptible to corruption than human beings". smilies/wink.gif

Cheers to you too.
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written by .., October 08, 2011

you would give your left nut to have the sex life with women i have had...
corruption
written by senoritadoroda, October 19, 2011
Corruption is a vice that is entrenched in a given society and until we find people who are totally opposed to and who cannot take it anymore. We shall not have a society that is free from corruption.
http://www.tusijisunde.com/201...rruption/

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