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Why Can't Brazilians Get a US Visa? Denying Them Has Become a Cash Cow! PDF Print E-mail
2006 - April 2006
Written by Jia Acoirema   
Friday, 28 April 2006 08:06

Brazilian passportThe US Consulates in Brazil administer the processing of Visa applications to come to the United States. They have the responsibility of administering every type of applications from a Fiancé Visa (K-1) to a Tourist Visa (B1/B2).

This is the process. A Brazilian father by the name of Rogério and mother, by the name of Rosângela decide they want to make a trip to the United States. Their middle son, Reinaldo married a wonderful American girl, Janice, two years ago, and they relocated to the U.S. They've not seen their son in a long time.

Step one. You have to pay the fee, so that you can make an appointment for the interview. They pay the 38 reais (US$ 17) fee to schedule the interview with the US Consulate. The first available appointment is 4 months out.

Disappointed, it will take so long but excited at the prospect of seeing their son, daughter-in-law, and of course Mickey Mouse, they wait. Rogério and Rosângela purchase their airline tickets for two weeks after their interview date and prepare for their impending trip. .

Step two. It's a week before their appointment, Rogério and Rosângela prepare for their interview. They find the required forms 156/157 on the Consulate site, complete their documents and have their two Visa photos taken at a local store.

The required fee is US$ 100 per applicant. They pay the fees at Citibank Brazil and are set. The excitement is building now that the trip is only weeks away.

Rogério and Rosângela want to buy the gifts to bring with them for Reinaldo and Janice. They ask what they want from Brazil. What do they miss? Checking if their papers are in order, the interview is tomorrow, they try to sleep.

They arrive early at the Consulate. Everyone says there's always a long line. Waiting for their admittance at the US Consulate, the air is quiet in the line despite the cars rushing by on the street. The line is long and filled with all of the same hopefuls to get the nearly unobtainable US Tourist Visa.

Step three. Doors open, let's go. Pass the security guards, we're shuffled off to the left auditorium and told to take the next seat in line behind the others. Complete these papers and wait to be called.

Here we go, moving on to the next room, back past the entrance, and take a seat in line behind the next Visa hopeful. The windows in front of us now have Consul Employees calling people up. Wow, this is going fast. We're called up.

The conversation goes something like this; What Visa are you applying for? Tourist. Purpose of your visit? Visiting our son, he lives in the US. Are your documents completely filled out? Yes. OK, take a seat over there, and we're moving again. The other side of the room, more chairs, more waiting. We take our seats and wait to be called.

The room is quiet, even though it's full of people. If you speak are you denied and sent out? The tension is so thick in the room, it's contagious. To your left is a room with half glass walls. You can see the interviews happening on the spot. You notice nearly every 5 minutes another number is called and another interview begins and ends.

Step four. Number 32, DaSilva, window 4. It's your turn. You enter the room and approach window 4. The consular officer takes your forms and passports and looks them over. He asks each of you, What's your employment? You respond. He asks if you've brought your Imposto de Renda (Tax Return). You reply, yes and provide them.

The interviewer takes your passports and stamps them; you feel the excitement swell in your belly. "I've been approved!" He then passes back your Passports and a white piece of paper. "I'm sorry you're been denied, please read the paper enclosed. Thank you".

What? What happened? The interview is over? 5 minutes? It's over?

As you both walk out, you're in shock. How come you were not approved?

In 2004, 37,647 others just like you, applying for a B1/B2 Tourist Visa had this similar experience. The answers were all the same: Denied! This is the sound heard around Brazil, at least in the walls of the US Consulates.

As you read the paper provided you try to make sense of it.

The presumption in the law is that every visitor visa applicant is an intending immigrant.  Therefore, applicants for visitor visas have the burden of overcoming this presumption by demonstrating that:  

The purpose of their trip is to enter the U.S. for business, pleasure, or medical treatment;  they plan to remain for a specific, limited period; and they have a residence outside the U.S. as well as other binding ties which will ensure their return abroad at the end of the visit.

Unfortunately, you could not overcome the presumption and are being refused under section 214(b) of the INA, which requires that applicants prove that they have sufficient ties to Brazil to compel their return after a short visit to the United States.

It goes on to say, you may reapply if your situation has changed in 6 months. It does not mention that if you reapply you will have to pay another 38 reais and US$ 100.

You can't understand. You have a good income of more than 6,000 reais (US$ 3,000) per month, money in the bank for the trip; you're the owner of your home and additional property. Your family is big, more than 20 if I have to count them all. Your ticket was for two weeks.

Who overcomes this presumption? How do you accomplish it in five minutes, if you could? What are the answers to be approved? The answers to these questions exist, but the cost is high.

This is the formula; US$ 100 X each applicant X 5 minutes per interview X how many work hours in a day X work days in a year.

If the US Consulate identified the criteria to be approved or denied, the applicants would know not to spend the time and cost in attempting, if they did not meet the requirements. The consulate can't afford the income loss.

Nearly every other country in Latin America has a higher approval rate for B1/B2 Visa's to the US. Countries with higher unemployment rates and higher populations living beneath the poverty line have a better chance to get approved then a Brazilian does. Brazil has a 95% return rate on Visa's granted. What is the concern with issuing Visa's to Brazilians?

Is the US afraid the Brazilians will bring with them their warm nature, zest for life, strong family values, and flood the streets with Churrascarias (BBQ Restaurants)?

I am an American woman married to a Brazilian man. We've lived in Brazil for 4 years and have witnessed the above story and others first hand. We currently live in the US waiting for my husband's Permanent Residency. I'll withhold my real name for fear of repercussions from the Consulate.

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Alan
written by Guest, April 28, 2006
Yeah, kinda difficult... plenty of people in the same situation...
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You are so right!
written by Guest, April 28, 2006
And yes you are right to withhold your name. It has been impossible to get anyone fro my wife's family a visa (even with earning good income, etc in brasil), I heard a story where in one window the interviewer said a family was too poor and in the next window, another interviewer told a man he was too rich!!!. bastards!
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written by Guest, April 28, 2006
I have quite a bit of experience with this subject matter here in brazil, and I'm american. I personally know people at the U.S. consulate in Rio and people at the embassy in Brasilia, and stories like the one above are heartbreaking, and I can understand how it makes many feel, BUT, lol, you knew there was a "but", unfortunately brasil has the 2nd largest population of illegal immigrants in the U.S. Estimated today at over 1 million. The vast majority of these illegals have came via tourist visa and have never returned. Also, another reason for the high denial rate for brasilians, and also a reason why people are not given specific documents to bring is certainly not because of the effect it will have on the consulates income, you can rest assured of that, it is because Brazil is one of the world leaders in falsification of documentation, and this is a fact. Just to illustrate a quick example just recently there was a huge global diamond smuggling ring, the diamonds were coming to brazil....strictly for falsification of documents. So, in the point of view of the U.S. gov't., and I have to agree with them on this point, if they would tell everyone what documents to bring, everyone would bring them, legitimate or otherwise.

Besides the above I'm very sure that everyone is aware of the current situation in the U.S. today in regards to illegal aliens, it's quite the controversy, and brazilians being the 2nd largest perpetrator of this crime, and it is a crime, they're even considering making it a felony, are certainly not going to be given any leeway.

Unfortunately, because of the actions of MANY illegal brazilians themselves, other brazilians with honarable intentions are paying the consequences for the actions of their brethren.
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written by Guest, April 28, 2006
" I heard a story where in one window the interviewer said a family was too poor and in the next window, another interviewer told a man he was too rich!!!. bastards!"

Yes, I agree that the excuses they give are just that...excuses. And according to their regulations they did need a legitimate excuse. It is up to the individual consul to make a determination, and if she "feels" that someone is not going to come back to brazil, she has the right to deny the visa. I know and agree that is wrong, but that is the way it is.
Sad but true...
written by Guest, April 28, 2006
I am a Brazilian and I have to agree with the poster above.

This is not an easy issue. There are a lot of Brazilians traveling for fun or visiting relatives in the US. But as the poster above indicated correctly, there are many coming to stay or work illegally.

Some time ago, a newcomer Brazilian fellow asked me to help him to find job. He told me that he was on tourist visa and he wanted to stay in America. I asked him if he was single so he could find a lady here, (he is a white guy from south with blue eyes and light brown hair and I guessed that would facilitate things for him here) and his problem would be solved legally. He informed me that his wife was back in Brazil with his two kids. He holds a public job back in Brazil and he got some kind of well extended leaving (another thing to discuss here, how come?).

I told him to turn back and stay in Brazil because things are getting tough here. He has a house, a job and two kids going to school in Brazil but he wanted to make more money, quicker and easier. After two months in the USA without much help, he finally moved to another city with an illegal job offer. He is not the desperate type of Brazilian so I guess that people in Brazil are getting wrong signals from the media (Globo?) in our country. Things here are not as easy as they think. You can progress and make more money than in Brazil but there are things like language barriers, discrimination, laws and what Brazilians are not used to, a government that would really kick your butt to a jail if you do not pay your taxes.

By the way, I came here legally and I am legally staying, just in case someone wonders.
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written by Guest, April 28, 2006
"Yes, I agree that the excuses they give are just that...excuses. And according to their regulations they did need a legitimate excuse."

that was a typo, should've said, "they do NOT need a legitimate excuse.

For the poster above, I agree with you, many think it's going to be a bed of roses, but for those illegal it's mostly anything but. I can't imagine living in constant fear of getting pulled over by the police and being discovered to be illegal and possibly deported, all the while being taken advantage of by many that look to employ illegals to not pay minimum wage and taxes, social security, etc. to the U.S. gov't.

As far as brasilians not getting acclamated, that is another topic all its own, but after spending my entire life in the states, and the last 6 years here in brazil, I definitely can relate and imagine the difficulties of many brazilians adjusting to american life. There certainly not going to be able to rely on "jeitinhos" to get them by there.
Oh, yes, \"jeitinhos\"...
written by Guest, April 28, 2006
Actually, they do or how do you think that 12 millions plus illegal immigrants (Brazilians and many others from everywhere) got to stay in the USA? How would they manage if not with the typical "jeitinho" as defined by another article in this forum?

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written by Guest, April 28, 2006
it got them in, but it's not going to get them by, those are quite two different things and realities that will soon hit those in the face once spending a couple 24 hours in the U.S.

When I said "get them by", I didn't mean the border patrol, lol, I meant getting them by day to day.
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written by Guest, April 28, 2006
Sounds like the experince of a gringo renewing their tourist visa in Brazil.
Re: When I said \"get them by\"...:)
written by Guest, April 28, 2006
Thank you for the "get them by".

However, my point was that the illegal immigrants, many of the 12 plus millions have been here quite some time (let’s say over two or so years). How did they manage to get by (survive) all the years unless they got help from Americans or other people with power and money capable to offer help or exploit them, either way? By the other hand, there are lots of very successful illegal immigrants here, I would say.

See, the issue is quite complex but the subject here is why the Americans are refusing visa to the Brazilians. If the US Congress is about to pass a reforming bill why should then the US Consulate be worried any longer with visa issues? My vague opinion here is that they think that many foreigners from poor countries want to go take advantage of some possible immigrant amnesty provided by the US government after the bill is finally approved.






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written by Guest, April 28, 2006
well, I understand your point and also agree with you that without question, for illegals to be in the country for any significant time period, they are more than likely being exploited to some degree.

As far as the situation with the amnesty situation, within the last several months there have been numerous senate and house hearings, one lasted 2 weeks in which the head of the border patrol for our southern border testified during a two day period, and the statistics that have been obtained AFTER Bush's speech at the end of last year about giving amnesty, the average number of illegals actually CAUGHT on our southern border rose from 200,000 per month to 400,000 per month in the months of January and February of this year. Now those are the ones that were caught, imagine how many actually got in.

It is becoming a situation in the U.S. that is in epidemic proportions, and I can understand fully both sides of the coin. It's a truly diffficult situation to be resolved and without question the first thing that needs to be achieved is to secure our borders. Afterall, look at the trillions we're spending on two wars on the other side of the world in the name of terrorism, and our own borders are pourous as sieves.
Brazil and reciprocity !
written by Guest, April 29, 2006

Is there not a Brazilian law that gives reciprocity on the subject of visas ?
I read many times that Brazil will allow a foreigner to enter Brazil without visa provided the foreign country does the same with Brazilians.

That seems....fair !

Then why do Swiss must obtain a visa to enter Brazil, but not Brazilians to enter Switzerland ?????????
There is no problem between Brazil and Switzerland and we have no reason to go eventually to Brazil to obtain illegally a low paying job anyway compared to our wages here ! But many Brazilians enter Switzerland to find an illegal job.


Where is the Brazilian trick ? Bureaucracy creates jobs, red tape brings money to the government EMPLOYEES, cost of visa brings money to the government who can then pay their employees !

And finally the illegal
Brazilian worker is no longer a charge for Brazil, he has a job elswhere, and can send money back home.

Can anyone explain where the Brazilian reciprocity law is ?????

In another subject, and to the defense of the USA, EU : should they accept illegal people by the hundreds of millions from all over the world...without control ?
They have no desire to have favelas in their countries I
They cannot provide jobs for everyone, legal or illegal jobs.
The EU already has officially a 10 % jobless rate, similar to Brazil !
I understand that in a FEW cases as the one explained in the article is different, but what about the 99 % of the other cases that you very well know about ! These 99 % dont have money and want to enter the USA/EU to eventually find an illegal job and even eventually get married, so they could finally settle in a country that provide what their own country did not provide.
Therefore to generalize of a problem that affect 1 % of the people as in the example above, the true reality of the 99 % is .....HIDDEN !

On a third subject different but still related to the previous ones :
Do you know that in Geneva, 70 % of the people in jail are.....FOREIGNERS ?
In the 70 % some are legally residing here.
And that 50 % of people in jail are....ilegally here without visa ?(not brazilians then since they dont need visas -but some brazilians are also in jail within the 70 %)

Do you also know that jails in my coun try are considered 5 stars resorts by jailed people ?

Do you also know that the daily cost is US$ 200.- PER PERSON ?
They even have a choice of 3 menus DAILY TWICE A DAY plus Breakfest ! Smile but true ! They have clean shower and clean toilets in the cell ! Number of prisoners per cell is usually 2, exceptionaly 3.
And the above cost doesnt include the justice costs....YET !

Hopefully everyone understands the relation between visas/no visa -legal/illegal residency/job - jails !
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written by Guest, April 29, 2006
The above poster mentions "reciprocidade" and that is a good place to start. The author of this article appears to be barking up the wrong tree to some extent because Brazil is also making an incredible amount of money charging Americans $150 (this is what I paid using a Brazilian agency) for a 5 year visa. Furthermore they actually grant tourist visas to Americans so Brazil makes even more $$ out of the deal because they get US tourist $$'s.

Brazilians are being denied visas because they are going to American on those visas and staying as another poster pointed out. I think America is a better place with Brazilians in it but I think that they are being exploited by large and small businesses alike when they enter illegally. To make matters worse, the majority of Brazilians living illegally in the US send the lion's share of over $6 billion back to Brazil rather than spending it in the country. Imagine if 1 million Americans were working in Brazil illegally and sending over 6 billion back to America instead of spending it in the local economies. It is admittedly a very small amount but it still has some impact on the decision to not admit many Brazilians. Morever, it is wrong to take advantage of any country's resources, including medical services and education, without paying into the system and illegal aliens do NOT pay into "the system" in income taxes. That is wrong - plain and simple. It seems even that much more contradictory to hear this kind of complaining when we hear so many posters here slamming the US while singing the praises of Brazil incessantly!
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written by Guest, April 29, 2006
You Brazilians should realize that American capitalist want visitors who will stay illegally and work cheaply.
To the friend of U.S. Consulate
written by Guest, April 29, 2006
You are dead right but you did 2 major errors in my view when you said :
Unfortunately, because of the actions of MANY illegal brazilians themselves, other brazilians with honarable intentions are paying the consequences for the actions of their brethren.
Instead of : because of the action of MANY illegal Brazilians it would be more appropriate to say :
because of the goal of 99 % of illegal foreigners.

Naming brazilians is not fair, you have far more Mexicans.

But I agree with you that it is a real problem for the rich nations. These nations are aging, then some new foreigners are welcome, but we cannot accept hundreds of millions of them at they wish and not as we decide !

Brazil does the same anyway with their S.A. countries borders. They dont accept the poorest Bolivians by the hundreds of thousands. They understand why they do so but not why we do so ! Strange !

It is also strange that to legally retire in Brazil, a foreigner must justify a monthly income of US$ 2000.- per month. That is quite a good income in Brazil.
Then in view of the difference in income between the USA/EU and Brazil, the USA/EU should be able to ask for a minimum of US$ 4 to 5000.- income justification per month for brazilians desiring to "retire" legally in the USA/EU !

Curiously enough, Brazilians no longer agree.

Exactly the same could be said with the Brazilian law that say a foreigner can reside and work in Brazil if he invests US$ 50'000.- and create (I think 10) jobs within 2 years.
Then based on the same principle, we should be able to ask for at least the same.
Afterall the EU has as much unemployment than in Brazil !

Again curiously enough : Brazilians no longer agree.

It simply means that Brazil agrees to accept relatively wealthy foreigners that are self sufficient but that they want us to accept foreigners that are NOT self sufficient !

CURIOUSLY AGAIN...BRAZILIANS DISAGREE !!!!

Why then dont Brazil tolerate poors from other nations such as Africans and South Americans and even from the EU or the USA not having the US$ 2000..- per month or the US$ 50'000 capital ????.

CURIOUSLY ENOUGH, AGAIN AND AGAIN, BRAZILIANS DISAGREE !!!!

They always impose stricter rules and laws than other nations (rich and poor nations) but always expect LESS rules and laws from the other nations (rich and poor nations) !!!

Can anyone comment ?
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written by Guest, April 29, 2006
I can comment - this is typical Brazilian hypocrisy and protectionism. It's the "take but never give back" mentality.
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written by Guest, April 29, 2006
yeah, you've made nothing but assumptions and are totally wrong in many of your statements.

Firstly, because of the 12 million and some even put the figure up to as many as 20 million illegals, there are stricter guidelines that have been put in place, but particularly for those countries that have the largest population of "offenders", which is mexico first, and brazil second. This isn't a discussion about Mexicans obtaining a visa, it's about brazilians obtaining a visa, and this has been explained here thoroughly.

As far as your "curiously brazilians disagree", lol, well my friend, you only have to look at current headlines in the american news to find out that now americans are vehemently disagreeing with this policy of letting these millions of illegals across our borders and for the vast majority of them to do nothing more than spend what they need to survive in the states while sending as much as possible back to their home countries.

The US wasn't settled by people that wanted to "visit" it and rape it, but people that wanted to go there to LIVE and start a new life.

You don't see americans and english beating down the doors of brazil and having millions of them here illegally now do you?
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written by Guest, April 29, 2006
Can you believe that just today a reporter asked Bush if he thought the national anthem should now be sung in Spanish as well as English....WTF is that!
so right, the above comment !
written by Guest, April 29, 2006


Brazil requests to justify US$ 2000.- per month, to give a residency permit to retire...but not legal work unless the $ 50'000 capital laws and job creation !

Argentina has a GDP per capita slightly greater than Brazil, but request to justify "ONLY" US$ 1000.-per month to retire, but not legal work.

Argentina tolerates hundreds of thousands of illegal Bolivians workers,
NOT Brazil !

The EU tolerates many many millions of illegal Africans/South Americans/Asians workers,
NOT Brazil.

The USA tolerates millions and millions of illegal workers, mostly from LATAM, S.A., and Asia,
NOT Brazil.

Simple question to Brazil :
where are you similar or better than other nations, richer OR poorer than Brazil ?????
To the U.S. Consulate friend !
written by Guest, April 29, 2006
You misunderstood me !
I agree 100 % with you !

But the EU and the USA the USA cannot accept hundreds of millions of even "sincere and honest" workers who desire to create a new life in these countries.
You already have millions as we have millions of illegal and honest workers for years already.
The problem we face is not only the "bad" foreigners, but the good ones too !
What about the next 20/50/100 ?? millions of good workers desiring to reside and make a new life in our countries.
As sad as it is, if you understand what I mean, the problem is different but also similar ! The QUANTITY !
To the U.S. Consulate friend !
written by Guest, April 29, 2006

Explained otherwise we have TWO problems : the quantity of "bad" foreigners and the quantity of GOOD foreigners ! Even if the GOOF fopreign workers are the vast majority.
We are unable to provide them legal jobs at the speed THEY/WE desire.

If we would let our borders open the quantity would at least double in 1 year or 2 ! What do we do then ?
Wait a minute…!
written by Guest, April 29, 2006
Do not take this as being anti-America but I am shocked with the following statement.

"I am an American woman married to a Brazilian man. We've lived in Brazil for 4 years and have witnessed the above story and others first hand. We currently live in the US waiting for my husband's Permanent Residency. I'll withhold my real name for fear of repercussions from the Consulate. "

Now this is very interesting. Why a US citizen would be afraid of using her constitutional right of expressing her political views because of fear of retaliation from an agency of the US government?

Lady, don’t you believe that your country would uphold your right to express freely politically without causing you any harm?
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written by Guest, April 29, 2006
P.S.: Of course, I meant to say without hiding your identity, openly.
U.S. national anthem !
written by Guest, April 29, 2006
You are lucky, so far it could be in 2 languages, in 5 years in 3 languages, because you will have to sing it in Portuguese too !

Worse for the EU will have once the Regional anthem, not only there is almost 25 nations languages, but also the differents languages of Africa, Arabs (Spanish and Portuguese languages are in the EU already)

I am from Geneva, Switzerland. Known as an International city ! My state has a population of around 500'000.
Believe it or not, there are now less than 50 % of the LEGAL residents having a Swiss passport.
My city was rated the
2nd best lively city in the world, by a poll of Mercer. The best was Zurich, also in Switzerland.
Knowing that my city is also one of the most expensive in the world, it is "unfortunately normal" that we are a prime target from
"good and bad* illegal foreigners/workers.

This is the price of fame.
We have a large Brazilian community here. Overall no problem, very nice people.
And it is quite easy for them to enter Switzerland, since NO visa is required
for Brazilians. TRUE.
No doubt that the word of mouth will go faster than the speed of light !

Smile

From Jia Acoirema
written by Guest, April 29, 2006
I am the Author of the Article. In response to this commentary:
Lady, don’t you believe that your country would uphold your right to express freely politically without causing you any harm?

Absolutely Not! You are asking me to trust the same country that so clearly misappropriates Visa's to who they wish too. This story is not fiction. Perfectly qualified individuals in Brazil are turned away while 10's of 1000's of Citizens from dramatically poorer countries, with alot more reason to stay illegally, then an elderly couple wanting to visit their son, are being granted. Have you asked yourself why? The US has created the current issues with immigration by granting Visa's to the poorest of countries residents to bring in cheap labor. In just 2004 the US granted Mexico 722,173 Type B1/B2/BBBCC alone. How many of these people do you think make up the illegals in the country now? 12-20 Million (whatever number you believe) illegal aliens did not all cross the borders on foot.
agree somewhat
written by Guest, April 29, 2006
I agree the lack of transparency is frustrating in regards to the issue of visas for visitors to the US from Brazil. Hell my girlfriend was denied and she is a a solidly middle class engineering major at one of the best universities in brazil. Why would she want to wash dishes in america, when for what she will make when she graduates she will live as well or better than I in the US, living in Brazil. I don't want to turn this into a discussion of race but non of white friends have ever been denied, nor her mother or step father, but her dad is black from bahia and she is obviously mixed, could this have palyed some factor? I have no evidence, but I think it might. That being said, I really doubt with the bloated budget of the US federal government they are really pulling a scam to make a few extra bucks off brazilians. Especially when I doubt this money goes straight back to the consulate but into some general coffer. That would be like microsoft setting up a lemonade stand.
Jia Acoirema
written by Guest, April 29, 2006
Firstly, I'm the person that knows people at the consulates and embassy here in brazil. I can wholeheartedly understand your frustration and disappointment about these types of situations, believe me, it even happened to a friend of mine (brazilian) that is extremely qualified a few years ago, and even with me knowing several people there. I accompanied him to the consulate in Rio as the best of my consulate friends was stationed there, for 12 years, but has since been moved to another consulate in Africa.

About your personal situation with your husband, it is next to IMPOSSIBLE for them to deny your husband a green card. One of the only ways would for them to find out he was a wanted criminal, which I'm certain he's not. You will although have to, if you already haven't, assume financially responsibility for him for a time period, I believe its two years. So you will have to have a proof of income in the U.S. in order to do this, if you've just moved back to the states from brazil and do not have an established income over the last year or two, you will have to have a relative/friend that is willing to do this for you.

As far as your reluctance to state your real name, I'll just say that I understand, but in your situation I honestly don't think it would matter, although among the guidelines it does state that people applying for residence do have to have a "pro-american" attitude, lol, whatever that means. Naturally, they can't express and exhibit anti-american gov't. attitudes in the hope of establishing residence there. Which I wholeheartedly agree with, and also agree with your frustration about this process and your right to express it as well as his.

your quote:

"The US has created the current issues with immigration by granting Visa's to the poorest of countries residents to bring in cheap labor. In just 2004 the US granted Mexico 722,173 Type B1/B2/BBBCC alone."

I do not agree with your statement that the U.S. has created this situation by issuing visas to poor countries. Firstly, your example of mexico, did you know they are considered a richer country than Brazil? They have the worlds 10th largest GNP, but besides this fact, naturally Mexico, because where it is geographically located, and also a strategic trading partner (NAFTA), are normally issued more visas than other nations. Also, naturally, there is a much higher demand for american visas in Mexico than in any other country in the world. I don't buy your statement inferring the U.S. gov't. is approving tourist and other temporary visas with the intention or beforehand knowledge that these people intend on staying all in an effort to provide cheap labor.

Our situation with vast numbers of illegal mexicans has been a problem the U.S. has been dealing with for decades. If you remember, during the Reagan administration, he granted amnesty for more than the 3 million illegals in the country at that time, which in large part were mexicans.

One of the above posters made several good and logical points, and sorry about misunderstanding your statement last night, it was late. But there has to be a limit on the number of visas issued in a year, naturally meaning that qualified applicants are going to be denied and not because of anything they've done wrong, there are quotas which must be in place or it would have dramatic effects on our economy, health care system, educational system, social security system, etc. Which by the way, it is already having and has had a significant negative impact in these areas.

Many people like to attempt and justify the numbers of illegals saying it's we americans that want this, to provide cheap labor, and without question, there are americans profiting from this, but a very small group, but some very influential. And it's not only americans, did you just see last week that the INS busted a German company that has plants in several states and they had over 1,000 undocumented workers with fake social security numbers? They're in some hot water at the current moment. The point I want to make here is that there have been numerous studies over the last 10 years done, by the american gov't. itself as well as NGO's that have studied the impact the vast numbers of illegals are having on american society, and the detriments they bring, far outweigh the benefits they provide, and naturally the U.S. gov't. is quite aware of this. Although, the current administration(Bush) is unquestionably being influenced by some of these groups that are profiting from illegal labor.

In all fairness and impartiality, as much as I can be as an american, but given today's situation, an estimated 12-20 million illegals, our friend from switzerland, with all due respect, that's 2-3 times the population of that entire country(!), with our wars on terrorism, with our pourous border(putting it mildly), when everything is taken into account one should be able to understand the overall strategy of the U.S. in respect to issuing visas and residency. And, one should be able to understand why countries such as brazil have the guidelines that they do. First and foremost as the second leading perpetrator of illegals in the U.S. But it's also much more than that....I'll explain.

I previously mentioned the fact the brazil is world reknowned for the falsification of documents, it is also reknowned for money laundering. There is also a city on the border of Paraguay, Argentina, and Brazil called Foz do Iguacu, Brazil; Ciudad del Este, Paraguay, Puerto Iguazu, Argentina. This area is reknown for black market trading, money laundering, and drugs, it is also reknown for the largest population of muslims outside the middle-east. I'm sure you've heard of Hezbollah, they have a camp and operate there. Osama bin-laden himself was there in the 1990's, this is fact, even confirmed by the brazilian gov't, as well as Paraguay, Argentina, and the CIA. The Israeli embassy bombing in Argentina in the '90's was carried out by hezbollah from this region. So, what do you have, you have a country that is world reknown for falsification of documents, you have a country that is second in numbers of illegals in the U.S. You have an area in the border region of this very country where hezbollah operates. I'm sure you can understand, given all these factors, why brazilian visas are scrutinized as they are.

Right, wrong, or indifferent, I understand your frustration. In many cases these denials of american visas don't seem fair, but as I stated, there has to be a limit, a ceiling on the numbers. Meaning that many well-intentioned visitors are going to be denied, the quota was more than likely already met.






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written by Guest, April 29, 2006
http://usinfo.state.gov/wh/Arc...93923.html



http://www.ict.org.il/spotlight/det.cfm?id=30



The consulate sucks!
written by Guest, April 29, 2006
I feel like most of the comments here are blind to the spirit of the article written.
other than immigration, the visa process for Brazilians is degrading, not
only but having to pay U.S. dollars for the privilege of a ridiculous denial.

Personally I know of a handful of people who have been denied wrongly and a couple who were approved that went to the U.S. with intention to live illegally.
Their process is hit and miss, but we can see the bright side for the consulate, they are making dollars hand over fist, a lovely way to rape people of their hope and dignity and
charging them for it.

Their process is justifiable for the consulate, but the end result for the person is humiliation and the process as I said is hit and miss. They should find a process that
is more in black and white, or to be fair refund the money.

Basically this is bad service, a bad reflection on Americans and the United States.

On a personal note, being American, I have not had a good experience yet at the consulate. My take on it is they are more of a high price post office, if you need any real
help they simply fall short of the mark. As for me I will never go to the consulate here
unless I have no other choice.
Re: Jia Acoirema
written by Guest, April 29, 2006
Thank you for answering my questions.

And who can guarantee that the Brazilian government itself has not requested to the US Consulates to be tougher on Visas? Take in consideration the fact that the Brazilian media made a huge case for the illegal Brazilian immigrants in US being arrested and deported from here, recently. I believe that our government in Brasilia is very embarrassed.

I also believe that it is highly probable, that some of the readers here do work for the US consulate but it is sad when a citizen of ANY country is afraid to express politically an opinion, objection or idea because of possible retaliation from an agency of the government, especially from a country that has one of the best constitutions ever written.

Anyway, there should be a way to provide visas to the good people willing to travel to US without compromising the US security and policies.

The situation at the border between Brazil, Argentina and Paraguay is not good but I also believe that the Muslins moved to the area, in the beginning, to take advantage of the rules of commerce existent there. How to crack the international crime going on there without violating the rights of the good Muslins? We must keep that in mind.

Back to “visas”: How to select the good Brazilians from the bad ones without practicing unfair rules? I know my country and I know a lot of good Brazilians who would never resort to illegal documentation, stealing or any criminal practice of any sort. How to be fair to this good people?
From Jia
written by Guest, April 29, 2006
1st the above post is not from me, but to me. Just to clarify.

The GNP of Mexico is not relevant if the Povertly line is 40%. (Brazil is 22%) The money is not reaching the hands of the people. Therefore they go elsewhere, like the US to make a good living. The Poverty rate comes from this link. The CIA Factbook. http://www.odci.gov/cia/public....html#Econ

Of the 722,173 Visa's issued in 2004, above to Mexico, 675,289 were BBBCC. This type of Visa has the same requirements as a B1/B2, and it also 'prohibits' work in the US. Why is it being issued in enormous volume?

When the BBC's were being reissued in 2001. The US actually allowed the Foreign border companies to assist them in issuing the cards. No surprise their denial rate was less then 1% by these companies.
http://www.sonic.net/~undoc/bccnew.htm#_Toc7486615

Look at Guatemala for another example.75% of the people living below the Poverty line, per the CIA factbook. In 2004, they were issued 23,851 B1/B2 Visa's. 2% of the Countries Population in just 1 year were granted Tourist Visa's. They were issued 1 1/2 times the Visas Brazil was issued at only .04% of their Population.

If the criteria to be granted a Tourist Visa is that the Conulate believes that it is more beneficial to return to your home country then to stay in the US (as stated to me by the Consul in Rio).

Do you really think that a country in such gross poverty can possibly have the population to exceed this criteria by 1 1/2 X's the people of Brazil could?

I agree the bigger issue is in a large part discrimination. Whether it be by race or social class, it is a factor.

My family are not among the rich Brazilians, but they own their own home, have good jobs, and huge family ties.

The judgement of the Consul appears to be predominantly based on Job Title, as this is the one common factor in the interview process.

I have quotes from two of the Senior Consuls in Rio. In my questioning of the reason for denials of the Vissa's for my family. I was told: "Since this appears to be a once-in-a-lifetime trip and not something people of this income level are going to be doing several times a year, give it some time and try again."

The Consul had no evidence of their income, because they didn't ask for it. When I told him, just one of the applicants alone made $3,500US per month, he said I could appeal.
They determined by job title alone, that my family were 'people of this income' .

Why is it suggested to apply again in the future? Nothing will change. These are people in established lives.

The next Consul said:
"The presence of family members in the United States may also be a factor in judging the strength of the applicant's ties to the residence abroad."

Are you kidding me? One son in the US is a stronger tie then 20 family members in Brazil.

Not to mention the 9 FAM(Foreign Affairs Manual) states that one of the reasons for people to travel is for visiting family and friends.

Repeated requests to be told what is the exact reason for denials were evaded. On one occasion I was told they can not reveal this to a 3rd party.

So my in-laws made the request. The Consulate has yet to respond to them. It's been 8 days now.

There are no Visa quotas placed on B1/B2 types. This is applied to various other types of Visa's, usually that would lead to residency, not vacation.
http://travel.state.gov/visa/frvi/bulletin/bulletin_2757.html

If there were a quota, offical or unofficial for B1//B2 Visa's and the limits were reached by April. Notice should be given to applicants to stop spending $100US dollars applying for something they have NO chance of obtaining.

Perhaps in the case of Brazil this should already be stated!
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written by Guest, April 29, 2006
being a brazilian I guess three reasons for consulates not to issue brazilian visas: the high proportions of illegal immigration if the figures that the country has the second largest illegal immigration population are right, then social class/race discrimination and the greed for cash.

In my opinion Americans have showed an horrible intolerande on this site towards womem, men and brazil so you can say they are not very fond of multiculturalism. I have my own experiences in American soil, but only my internet experiences have showed me it in a not tourist/ money spender view.

I have my doubts about the motivation of the American gov not looking for money as well. American public deficit is the largest of the world, Iraque, and now probably Iran war, demand a lot of money from american tax payers.

There's exploitation when they deny visas and make people apply for four times or more.There's exploitation when Americans hire illegal people to clean their mess and pay less than half if they were american.Now they want these people to die in hospitals because they are not allowed to have care! People should stop this and allow some dignity to immigrants.

America is not more the land of freedom than any other country. I think this is an American mito myth, take what happened to the democratic senator whose task was to come back from Iraque with Saddan Hussein's mass destructice arsenal information.

All I wish to America, as for my own country and myself, is that people can be open-minded about themselves, see what's going on allow us to make a change of directions that are dificult to handle in later times.
I can Relate to this Article
written by Guest, April 29, 2006
My mother sent me to America to live with my father who is of brazilian descent living in Newark.. she figured i'd have a better life here in America, When i left the airport security had to hold her back because she was so distraught... Since then she's tried to get a visa and failed miserably the only way i see her is visits once every 3 years... and now that im starting college money is tight and i have no idea when the next time i see her will be

In the end what she did for me was the best gift ever, puting herself aside to give me a better education... however i wish i could see her... it shudn't be this hard for honest hard working people..
Mexicans
written by Guest, April 29, 2006
I hate to say but Mexicans are f**king things up for everyone else. They have become quite arrogant about the illegal issue. They talk about it as if it were their right to send as many people to the US as they want. There will be a lot of backlash for everyone else, over political unsavvy moves such singing the national anthem in Spanish.
Mother to America !
written by Guest, April 29, 2006
sorry but you are full of contradiction !
I understand your problem but if money is tight, then if your mother cannot enter the USA
(meaning she has money to travel) she could as well send you that money for you to travel to Mexico !

And then your whole problems are solved !

This story simply depicts situations where in fact it it the reality behind the story that is hidden.
To : being a brazilian !
written by Guest, April 29, 2006
Looks like you never talked to a brazilian woman. Areyou gay...may be ?

Many many brazilian women have a desire to meet and marry a foreigner because they dont like how brazilians men treat them.
You could even see this in articles on this site how brazilian women are beaten by their husband or partner, but then when they go to justice nothing happens...as usual with your injustice in justice !

Talk to brazilian women about their desire, dont talk for them.
provide visas to the good people
written by Guest, April 29, 2006
That is the whole point !
Eventually if a Brazilian books for 3 weeks a good U.S. hotel, he may very well have his visa.

Why is the visa only a one way problem ?

Does Brazil give
easily a visa to Bolivians, Nicaraguean, and Honduras, Peruvians....to anyone who wish to "visit" Brazil ?????

When you will have answered to that question you will have the same answer from our side !

Is that not simple ?
american visas in Mexico
written by Guest, April 29, 2006
Wait wait wait a second !
Why did the US government "warned and strongly suggested" officially to U.S citizens not to go to Mexico ????????

And this on more than one occasion !
To the US consulate friend
written by Guest, April 29, 2006
Wait wait ! you may have 2 or 3 times more illegal residents than the whole population than Switzerland BUT even 20 millions would represent "only" 8 % or so of your population.
In Geneva....we have at least....double your 8 %...due to easyness to enter our country.

But as I said, this is the price of fame of being an International city, wealthy country and lack of stricter entry laws !
On top Geneva provides legal jobs for 30'000 French residing in France, around the border !
When we go shopping in the commercial zones, We see there are a minority of.... Swiss !!!
True !
she figured i\'d have a better life here
written by Guest, April 29, 2006
You said it all !
Then now you know why Brazilians wish to "only" visit the USA by the millions and millions !!!

They all agree with your mother !
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written by Guest, April 29, 2006
"I have my doubts about the motivation of the American gov not looking for money as well. American public deficit is the largest of the world, Iraque, and now probably Iran war, demand a lot of money from american tax payers.

There's exploitation when they deny visas and make people apply for four times or more.There's exploitation when Americans hire illegal people to clean their mess and pay less than half if they were american.Now they want these people to die in hospitals because they are not allowed to have care! People should stop this and allow some dignity to immigrants.

America is not more the land of freedom than any other country. I think this is an American mito myth, take what happened to the democratic senator whose task was to come back from Iraque with Saddan Hussein's mass destructice arsenal information."

Wow - you're an angry little fella aint ya? What's wrong little man? Did someone refuse to let you back into the US? Well I'm sure that kind of attitude shows when you sit there in front of the staff at the consulate . . . Maybe consulate staff recognizes that Brazilians like you generally hate America and all it stands for but just want to feed off of it parasitically because you have no job opportunities in your own country. You pissed about that buddy?

Finally, lets not forget to mention the 3 rules of engagement by any Brazilian poster in any thread.

1) Immediately blame the US no matter the circumstances. IN this instance, blame the consulate instead of the millions of Brazilians who have stayed and worked in America illegally while sending money back to Brazil. They have set a wonderful precedent for you all to follow. It isn't just Mexicans to blame for this either. Your stupid "reciprocidade" policy and subsequent photographing and fingerprinting of Americans entering Brazil didn't help matters for you. Neither did comparing US actions to the worst acts perpetrated by Nazi Germany when we began fingerprinting and photographing all visting Brazilians. STUPID! There are plenty of reasons to compare America to Nazi Germany but that certainly was not one of them. . .

2) Twist the argument and/or cite Brazilian technological, sociological and economic superiority at your earliest opportunity. Deny that there are any problems in your own country which brings us to rule number . .

3) ALWAYS, ALWAYS mention Iraq and/or Iran even if the thread is about Carnaval or Soy Exports. Never, ever miss an opportunity to point out that America is engaged in an illegal war that is DEEPLY AFFECTING THE BRAZILIAN PEOPLE ON A VERY PERSONAL LEVEL. Tell us big guy . . .How has the war in Iraq "touched" you on a personal level in any way? Now get the f**k over yourself!
RE: f
written by Guest, April 30, 2006
It\'s Worse than a Bad Joke
written by Guest, April 30, 2006
My ex-wife and daughter are Mexican. She's not an American citizen so she needs a visa to visit the U.S. There is a two month wait to obtain an interview at the U.S. embassy in Mexico City. The fee just for the interview is $120. She and her family are mainly middle class professionals. From my experience more than half are refused visas after the interview.
So I couldn't take my 7 year old to Disney World. Meanwhile thousands of ill educated peasants cross the Rio Grande illegally every day.Does any of this make sense?
RE: from Jia
written by Guest, April 30, 2006
Just got in Jia and read your response. Jia, did you not read my previous post?

Numbers of illegals? Quotas? Money laundering? Terrorism? Falsification of documatation?

What do you suppose we do Jia?? Have an open policy on residency and have 100 million illegals and for the goverment to collapse??? Because that's exactly what would happen. Try to sepertate yourself from the situation on a personal level....and think rationally.
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written by Guest, April 30, 2006
Here's another outlook. Brazil has been big on reciprocity, and its a common standard for countries to implement standards of reciprocity with one another.

In brazil, you basically have two options of obtaining a permanent visa, one is marrying a brazilian, the other is an investors visa, which today requires a 50,000 dollar investment, and they just changed this from 200,000 dollars.

Now let's imagine that the U.S. gov't. required this, how many illegals would we have and just how would the system be?
US VISA
written by Guest, April 30, 2006
The main question is, why govisit to US and be treated as s**t if you can go to EU without visa (3 months) or Patagonia (Argentina). Even Brasil is a lot prettier than US, we have more waterfalls, forests, caves and so on. If they don't want you there, don't go, easy like that. Cheap stuff you can get anywhere in EU or Canada. Get a visa to Canada is easier than US one.

Don't be a fool: travel to US as a tourist is a waste of time and money.

Now, if you want to visit you family at US, why not pay to then come? Or meet then anywhere else...
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written by Guest, April 30, 2006
these people are being extremely unfair to the american gov't. as if they're the Red Cross.....compare it to other gov'ts. in the world, and you'll see it's the most lenient of all.
Re: What do you suppose we do...
written by Guest, April 30, 2006
a good foreign policy to go around denying visas to good people because of the possibility of getting bad people. This is not the most elegant and democratic solution.

While I understand the problem that the US are going through with millions of illegal immigrants I like to remind you that Hollywood played a big role in promoting the US as the land of excitement, romanticism and material gain.

The USA should not walk the path of pride now.

I came to US as a legal immigrant and took advantage of the capitalism system here. I have a good salary (pay my taxes duly), a nice house and a sure plan for my retirement in Brazil, some day and I am thankful for that. Most Brazilians here (where I live) are people with high level education and profession. Some are college educators, engineers and I know a really good Brazilian neuroscientist in Washington State and for that the US should be grateful because he is helping to advance the US technology in the field.

There are lots of good people in Brazil so let them come to visit the Grand Canyon, Zion National Park and other natural wonders here.

By the way, to my Brazilian fellow above: yes, Brazil is beautiful and I love our natural resources, parks, rivers and ocean, but believe me the US is also a very pretty country indeed.

Sergio
Cont...
written by Guest, April 30, 2006
Opps, part of my writing was cut off.

Obviously I would not say, yes, open your gates and let everyone get in however it is not a good foreign policy to go around denying visas to good people because of the possibility of getting bad people. This is not the most elegant and democratic solution.
(united )snakes-across the border...
written by Guest, April 30, 2006
Some years ago British tourists had to queue up for an interview in order to get a visa for the US-fill in forms,too.If you were young,single-a musician- God forbid! At that time US tourists never needed a visa for the UK! It took years before the system was changed!
Just a thought-who's doing the rebuilding work in New Orleans ?
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written by Guest, April 30, 2006
"The main question is, why govisit to US and be treated as s**t if you can go to EU without visa (3 months) or Patagonia (Argentina). Even Brasil is a lot prettier than US, we have more waterfalls, forests, caves and so on. If they don't want you there, don't go, easy like that. Cheap stuff you can get anywhere in EU or Canada. Get a visa to Canada is easier than US one.

Don't be a fool: travel to US as a tourist is a waste of time and money.

Now, if you want to visit you family at US, why not pay to then come? Or meet then anywhere else..."

Is that you angry little fella? It's pretty obvious someone or something wounded your little ego in the US. Did some American girl break your delicate little heart? - sniff sniff!!

Yes by all means stay in Brazil where things are sooo much better. Maybe you can get your credit card cloned, be robbed on the beach or be burned alive on a bus by some kids hopped up on glue. The truth be known Americans would prefer that you stay in your own country and quit driving down wages in the US anyway. By all means stay out of America because NOBODY is going to miss an a*****e like you!!

How the f**k would you know if Brazil has more waterfalls than the US and is that the standard by which all beauty is measured these days? Where have you been in the US? Let me guess, and feel free to correct me if I'm wrong.
FLORIDA, CALIFORNIA, MASS, NEW YORK/NEW JERSEY? Sound about right? Yeah I love hearing from Brazilians like you who have spent a week at Disney World or maybe 6 months washing dishes in Framingham, Mass and think you know the country. Oh by the way, Argentinians hate your guts so don't think they want your asses in Patagonia either. . .

Have you been to Canada? Didn't think so - now kindly shut the f**k up and quit running your mouth about things you don't understand.

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written by Guest, April 30, 2006
"While I understand the problem that the US are going through with millions of illegal immigrants I like to remind you that Hollywood played a big role in promoting the US as the land of excitement, romanticism and material gain."

So let me get this straight . . Hollywood is responsible for the immigration problem in the United States? You are clearly not one of those educated Brazilians you speak so fondly of. How about placing the blame on Globo for running that stupid novela - what was it called now - oh that's right AMERICA!!

Oh and please don't give us that "every Brazilian who comes to America is a nuclear physicist" crap either ok. The vast majority of Brazilians who go to America do not have college degrees and are un-skilled. There is a reason that Indians, Chinese and Koreans are readily granted visas and Brazilians are not: they possess skills that are in demand.
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written by Guest, April 30, 2006
The USA should not walk the path of pride now.

Wait - who begin requiring that US citizens have visas after America began requiring them of Brazil? Who compared America's fingerprinting and photographing of visiting Brazilians to the worst atrocities committed by Nazi Germany and then turned around and started doing it to Americans like a bunch of petulant children? Brazil and Brazilians have no room to lecture anyone on being proud.
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written by Guest, April 30, 2006
guys, brazilians CIRCUMVENT the system, the take advantage of it, they ENROLAR.....JEITO BRASILEIRO!!!!

This s**t don't play in the U.S.!

Don't get pissed at the U.S. because they don't have respect for the laws as well!

And for the poster who is trying to convince brazilians to go to canada or whatever other country...I support you....100%!!! Please, continue!!!! But it's an uphill battle!

There currently charging 15 THOUSAND dollars in governador do valadares...used to be 10K but now its 15K due to the devaluation of the dollar!!! And, the lines for passports are setting records!
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written by Guest, April 30, 2006
AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAARRRRRGGGGG. MINHA CABECA. MUITO COMPLICADO.
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written by Guest, April 30, 2006
quote:


" Even Brasil is a lot prettier than US, we have more waterfalls, forests, caves and so on."

LOL...have you even been to the U.S. besides Disney World??

The U.S. has it ALL...Desert, Snow, Tropics, Mountains, White Water, Beaches, Change of Sesons(some of the most spectacular foliage in the world).

Brazil has TROPICS and the Amazon....that's it....there is no variation! Get over it, the U.S. is not only intellectually superior, but they're asthetically superior!
Brazil is playing the bad guy here
written by Guest, April 30, 2006
Ok, I'm and old fashioned liberal, one of those who defend free trade, free flow of information and freedom to go wherever one wants accross the borders of countries in times of peace. And I am a brazilian too. But I have to make some comparisons here...

How does Brazil treat people who want to come here? Well, people undergo hours of waiting times at the airports waiting for their luggage to be inspected, they are sometimes held for hours because of some suspicious things in rooms without air conditioning and no one who speaks english to talk to them. In response to an electronic fingerprinting identification system in the US, they required US citizens to undergo a manual fingerprinting here, which took hours. Officials do not accept any sign of insatisfaction and they arrest anyone for being "disrespectful", and those are only the problems found at the entrance in the country. I really doubt there is any developed country that does the same to brazilians getting to their countries.

Out of the country, we have consulates where no one is there to answer the phone, where they give misleading information and where they turn the lives of anyone who wants to work in Brazil into a hell. Well, try bringing someone to work in your company here. I have witnessed a case myself, where a company tried to bring a foreign intern for some 7 months or so (don't remember the exact time) trying to do the paperwork. The requirements were paying the intern using a company's offshore account, to avoid money leaving Brazil and also paying the FGTS (Working times warranty fund) a fund which is obligatory here (but not to brazilian interns) and is supposed to protect the citizen in case of unemployment or when the worker wants to buy a house. How is a foreign intern supposed to need any of those thingst!? And not only that, it was necessary to justify the need for this intern and why a brazilian intern would not meet the company needs, to avoid some foreigner coming here to steal the jobs of brazilians due to the "great" worker conditions and wages existing here. Well, they create every problems possible, even losing documents inside the regional district. I don't think Brazil is using the reciprocity principle here...

And not only that. What are the positions of brazilians towards the US government? And our government? Well, right now, ou government is aligned with Middle Eastern countries, Venezuela and Cuba, all of them enemies of the United States.And the position and rethorics of the brazilian government and most of people as well, are plain anti-americanism. And do brazilians still expect to be welcome!?

I recognize that the US government has some problems, but in consideration to all of that and knowing that the United States were brutally attacked on 9/11, I admit that this political measure is necessary to increase security there. In this case, the US are not living times of peace and brazilians are, unfortunately aligning against them. I am really sorry for the people who try to go to the United States and for myself, because I'm also having problems due to that, but plain simply, brazilians need to change their attitude, as did the japanese and germans after the Second World War, if they want to be welcome in the United States and other rich countries as well. While that does not happen, good people from Brazil will be stopped from entering the United States because of the stupidity of their fellow countrymen. Our luck is that there are wise men in the United States, who will accept the brilliant brazilians, outstanding in their professions, just like they did towards the Soviet Union. But only those exceptional guys...
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written by Guest, April 30, 2006
quote:


"good people from Brazil will be stopped from entering the United States because of the stupidity of their fellow countrymen."


You said a mouthful there brother. It's people like yourself that it's a shame they're denied visas, and you're right, you're paying the bill made by your brethren!
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written by Guest, April 30, 2006
Jesus is it just me or is this guy the smartest Brazilian you've ever heard from on this board?? Man where did he come from all of the sudden?
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written by Guest, April 30, 2006
well, I made two of the last 3 posts, but I'm an ameircan living in brazil for the last 8 years, the other guy is brazilian, and he's one of the FEW that I've seen admit to the faults of his own country. I have to say it's very refreshing...and I love the guy, lol. Not because he's on my side, but because he's speaking about the brazilian reality!

And if I'm not mistaken, he's probably in Rio or Sao Paulo, try coming to the northeast!!! Multiply the problems by 10!
Observer
written by Guest, April 30, 2006
Your right, this guy is brillant and maybe he should come back here and take on Lula and his cronies in the elections later this year.About Brazil having more caves than the USA I think it should have read "CAVE MEN"We all know that the Flintstones and Fred and Barney and the Famliy Adams was created here.
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written by Guest, April 30, 2006
well, whenever I hear brazilians gloating about the "beauty" of their country, and it is a beautiful country, but it really doesn't compare to the U.S. simply because of the diversity, you know right away if they've even ever been to the U.S. its been to Florida....LOL.
Brazil is a lot prettier ????
written by Guest, April 30, 2006

Beaches are dirty.
10 % ONLY of sewage are treated, and 90 %, right to the rivers and the ocean.
Garbage ? 10 % too is treated and the 90 % nobody cares anyway !

Is that a Pretty country ?
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written by Guest, April 30, 2006
Someone said it all :
The vast majority of Brazilians who go to America do not have college degrees and are un-skilled.

So do they really go in the U.S.A. for a "visit" only ?
Having no college degree and unskilled should not provide a lot of money in Brazil ! right ! you see you just said iot all.
Furthermore, dont believe that there is more Indians, Koreans as you suggest !
After illegal Mexicans, illegal Brazilians are Nvr 2 !!!!
Should Brazil have a priority on other countries ????
You alway want priority but never give reciprocity, wether it is at the WTO, visas that you dont provide to your Brothers the bolivians, venezuelians, Peruvians, people from Honduras, Nicaragua, just to name a few.
WHY ? You dont want to be invaded by them ?
Then you can easily imagine why we do the same : we dont want more than you to be invaded !
Is that normal...if it is normal for you ?
provide visas to the good people??????
written by Guest, April 30, 2006
And how can anyone see good people from bad ?
Bad people know how to look good...first !

So your statement and request is just....stupid ! And why do you all want to go to the USA or EU.
Bolivia, Peru, Chile, Honduras, Nicaragua, jus to name a few countries....will be delighted to receive you...as visiting tourists !
Most of the Asians countries too, such as Thailand, Malaysia, Indonesia !
But obviously.....that is not where you want to go. and everybody knows why !!!!!!!
Strange isnt it ?
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written by Guest, April 30, 2006
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she could as well send you that money for you to travel to Mexico !

And then your whole problems are solved !

How about some dignity to illegal immigrants that bring your milk to the deli, clean your house, take care of your children, drive your buses, etc. etc..?

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Wow - you're an angry little fella aint ya? What's wrong little man? Did someone refuse to let you back into the US? Well I'm sure that kind of attitude shows when you sit there in front of the staff at the consulate . . . Maybe consulate staff recognizes that Brazilians like you generally hate America and all it stands for but just want to feed off of it parasitically because you have no job opportunities in your own country. You pissed about that buddy?

Why are you so fed up with what I said? I hate your country? No buddy, I probably like it more than you I prefer people and countries happier isntead of being so f**king paranoic or neurotic.


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Areyou gay...may be ? Many many brazilian women have a desire to meet and marry a foreigner because they dont like how brazilians men treat them.
You could even see this in articles on this site how brazilian women are beaten by their husband or partner, but then when they go to justice nothing happens...as usual with your injustice in justice !

That's what you people think about isn't ? You americans allow yourselves being so shallow that that's the thing you can think of .
If this is all you can figure from what I said.
I don't think America is somehow different about abusing womem in any way you can think of. You people are so narcisos that think the only place women are abuse is the "enemy" country. Try to read a substantial book fella.
I suppose you don't have unemployment too

Tell us big guy . . .How has the war in Iraq "touched" you on a personal level in any way? Now get the f**k over yourself!

You big guys are a bunch of ignorant and belicous people. Were you brought up being assisted by war playgames? I tell you that ain't good, don't do that to you kids, spend time with them, that's all they will really care about.

Nobody said US should open the borders, all it was said is that illegals don't receive a fair treatment after all they live and work there. I'm just saying it is a good thing to fight for the weak.

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The main question is, why govisit to US and be treated as s**t
that is why traditionally, before even 9/11, many people do not want to visit US and rather go to Europe.But i don't generalized that way, it's just ignorant.

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Tell us big guy . . .How has the war in Iraq "touched" you on a personal level in any way?
so i suppose it hasn't affected you in any personal way too, interesting.

the most lenient of all govt...
that is the only reason that would make foreigner write about other gov than mine. This is not true. But it can be changed if people know that.

Don't be a fool: travel to US as a tourist is a waste of time and money
that's sad you know. I love my country and would like you had great experiences here, really good ones despite the problems of the country.

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snakes-across the border
these people are not snakes, they want to work for God sakes! Many american investors, as well as british and othereuropean came to Brazil and AL exploiting poluting the country, these people are snakes.Snakes cause they pay as little as possible and have hundreads of lawyers not to comply to the enviromental regulations because then they would have to shut down plants or diminish their profit.

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Is that you angry little fella? It's pretty obvious someone or something wounded your little ego in the US. Did some American girl break your delicate little heart? - sniff sniff!!

Yes by all means stay in Brazil where things are sooo much better. Maybe you can get your credit card cloned, be robbed on the beach or be burned alive on a bus by some kids hopped up on glue. The truth be known Americans would prefer that you stay in your own country and quit driving down wages in the US anyway. By all means stay out of America because NOBODY is going to miss an a*****e like you!!

It seems you know something. Have you been reading Paulo Coelho? Unfortunately what is bad has more weight than what tries to open your eyes...
Completely agree with the author
written by Guest, April 30, 2006
The US consulates in Brazil are a joke...but a very sad joke. While they may claim they are "saving us from the evils of illegal immigration", the only people they are hurting are AMERICANS (me being one of them). The US' share of international tourism continues to fall, particularly tourism from Brazil. Why? Because we've made it hell to get here. While nearly every other country spends enormous amounts of money marketing their countries, we do just about everything to make sure NO ONE can get in...especially from Brazil. What ever happened to the free market? Don't give me s**t that we're protecting our country from terrorism,etc....bull crap!! When was the last time you heard of a latino terrorist? I can guarantee you, any one who really wants to enter the US can, and will regardless of a little tourist visa. European countries don't even require a visa from brazilians, let alone insane interviews and ridiculous, unkown entrance criteria. I guess the European countries will just continue to reap the rewards of ever-increasing tourism dollars, while our tourist industry is limited to the domestic market.
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written by Guest, April 30, 2006
quote:


"I feel like most of the comments here are blind to the spirit of the article written.
other than immigration, the visa process for Brazilians is degrading, not
only but having to pay U.S. dollars for the privilege of a ridiculous denial.

Personally I know of a handful of people who have been denied wrongly and a couple who were approved that went to the U.S. with intention to live illegally. "

What currency would you expect the American consulate and embassies to charge? Yen?

You know a handful of people that have been denied "wrongly"? Was is being denied "wrongly"?

The U.S. is already the #1 destination for foreigners to visit, as well as live on the planet, #2 doesn't even come close. What do you propose we do? Let everyone in that has the desire?

Many of you people simply don't look at the reality of the situation.
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written by Guest, April 30, 2006
quote:

"The US consulates in Brazil are a joke...but a very sad joke. While they may claim they are "saving us from the evils of illegal immigration", the only people they are hurting are AMERICANS (me being one of them). The US' share of international tourism continues to fall, particularly tourism from Brazil. Why? Because we've made it hell to get here. While nearly every other country spends enormous amounts of money marketing their countries, we do just about everything to make sure NO ONE can get in...especially from Brazil. What ever happened to the free market? Don't give me s**t that we're protecting our country from terrorism,etc....bull crap!! When was the last time you heard of a latino terrorist? I can guarantee you, any one who really wants to enter the US can, and will regardless of a little tourist visa. European countries don't even require a visa from brazilians, let alone insane interviews and ridiculous, unkown entrance criteria. I guess the European countries will just continue to reap the rewards of ever-increasing tourism dollars, while our tourist industry is limited to the domestic market."

I can assure you, the U.S. has the lion's share of foreign tourism in the world...bar no country! You are right, we are NOT wanting more foreign tourism...we already have MORE than the entire continent of Europe! The STATE of florida last year alone had nearly 60 MILLION tourists, more than 10 times the number for the entire country of brazil!

You can guarantee that anyone that really wants in the U.S. will get in huh? Tell that to the 400,000 that are getting caught crossing the border monthly. And the U.S. is getting ready to add another 2,000 border patrolmen and possibly build a wall!

Free market?? What to hell does that have to do with entering the U.S.?

Answer me this, can just ANYONE receive a brasilian permanent visa??

Hell NO! One must either marry a brasilian, invest 50 thousand dollars, or be 50 years old or older and have an income of 2000 dollars or more per month for a retirement visa!!!

Now why doesn't the U.S. require this??? It would only be fair wouldn't it? Afterall, brazil has been big on reciprocity!
thanks man
written by Guest, April 30, 2006
it is good to be seen not as an enemy cause I'm not.
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written by Guest, April 30, 2006
Actually, France, followed by Spain, receive more tourists than the US. Although in the 1990's, the US did have the largest share of the world tourism market. Since then, visa entrance policies have become ridiculous, and our share has fallen considerably every year. What does this have to do with the free market? EVERYTHING. If we truly believe in capitalism (which I do), artificial barriers to trade should not exist. This is an enormous, artificial, illogical barrier to trade, and those of us working in the tourism industry are the one's who suffer (actually, in the end everyone suffers--money multiplier--basic economic theory). Foreigners are not threats...if we had a real, prudent immigration policy, allowing for foreign workers to enter the US, none of this crap would even be an issue. As for the difficulty in obtaining a brazilian PERMANENT visa, this had absolutely nothing to do with a tourism visa. Obtaining a brazilian TOURIST visa is very simple (besides the $100 fee), and no one is denied!
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written by Guest, April 30, 2006
So today with a minimum of 12 million illegals you believe that the U.S. should allow an unlimited number of tourists?

Knowing full well that millions intend on never leaving??

Get real.
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written by Guest, April 30, 2006
I'm not saying that we should necessarily srap the tourist visa requirement, but we should definitely make it easier to obtain and make the process more transparent. Europe seems to do fine despite not requiring any visa whatsoever. The point is, the incremental benefit of requiring that Brazilians obtain a horrendously difficult tourist visa (in terms of slightly fewer illegal immigrants) DOES NOT OUTWEIGH the much greater damage we're doing on our own economy by losing an enormous amount of tourism dollars, no to mention international goodwill.
Great Brazilians in the USA
written by Guest, April 30, 2006
I did not say that every Brazilian that comes to US is a nuclear physicist but man you do hate Brazil, don't you? The ways you attack the Brazilians and other Americans posters here with passion draw near to mentally disturbed. By the way, watch your language; do not sound like a pig. It is sad when someone, like your type, have to resort to “baixaria” to express an opinion. I bet you that face to face you would not have the courage of talking like that so behave like a civilized person. Remember, you are a superior being from the US. (Smile)

Yes, I will give you more reasons for you to spend your next night tossing in your bed.

But first, I am curious. Are you living in Brazil? If so, are you working there (what, there is no job in the US for you?) or you are hiding from the FBI or Interpol? At least we know that no Brazilian would go to US trying to hide from justice but some foreigners come to Brazil to hide from justice.

Well, if you like it or not, I know lots of Brazilians highly qualified and professionally capable living and working in the US. Does it disturb you? Yes, I know, Brazil does not provide to them a good a proper environment for science and technology (go ahead enjoy this moment). I know the limitations of our country; do you know the limitations and problems of yours?

So, let me give a quick list (no details for obvious reasons):

There are Brazilian scientists working for NASA.

Hey, do not forget that Brazilian scientist that made headlines in the US with research on brain and control.

As I said above, I know a Brazilian neuroscientist working at UofW

I know another Brazilian scientist working at OHSU (top American university, by the way, checks that out!).

I know of three college professors here where I live, they are Brazilians.

I know a software engineer (Brazilian) working for Intel Co

I know a Brazilian entrepreneur living in San Diego. He has a company and he hires Americans.

I know two Brazilian economists working for US banks in the US

I also had the joy of meeting two Brazilian medical doctors working for Saint Vincent Medical Center in occasion.

I also know well a Brazilian who works for the US government. He is actually a supervisor there.

These are few examples; I do not think that I need to continue.

There is a lot of good Brazilian so learn how to detect those good ones and let them come to US, to visit, to study and to work. Get smart, read books and treat people with respect.












I did not say that every Brazilian that comes to US is a nuclear physicist but man you do hate Brazil, don't you? The ways you attack the Brazilians and other Americans posters here with passion draw near to mentally disturbed. By the way, watch your language; do not sound like a pig. It is sad when someone, like your type, have to resort to “baixaria” to express an opinion. I bet you that face to face you would not have the courage of talking like that so behave like a civilized person. Remember, you are a superior being from the US. (Smile)

Yes, I will give you more reasons for you to spend your next night tossing in your bed.

But first, I am curious. Are you living in Brazil? If so, are you working there (what, there is no job in the US for you?) or you are hiding from the FBI or Interpol? At least we know that no Brazilian would go to US trying to hide from justice but some foreigners come to Brazil to hide from justice.

Well, if you like it or not, I know lots of Brazilians highly qualified and professionally capable living and working in the US. Does it disturb you? Yes, I know, Brazil does not provide to them a good a proper environment for science and technology (go ahead enjoy this moment). I know the limitations of our country; do you know the limitations and problems of yours?

So, let me give a quick list (no details for obvious reasons):

There are Brazilian scientists working for NASA.

Hey, do not forget that Brazilian scientist that made headlines in the US with research on brain and control.

As I said above, I know a Brazilian neuroscientist working at UofW

I know another Brazilian scientist working at OHSU (top American university, by the way, checks that out!).

I know of three college professors here where I live, they are Brazilians.

I know a software engineer (Brazilian) working for Intel Co

I know a Brazilian entrepreneur living in San Diego. He has a company and he hires Americans.

I know two Brazilian economists working for US banks in the US

I also had the joy of meeting two Brazilian medical doctors working for Saint Vincent Medical Center in occasion.

I also know well a Brazilian who works for the US government. He is actually a supervisor there.

These are few examples; I do not think that I need to continue.

There is a lot of good Brazilian so learn how to detect those good ones and let them come to US, to visit, to study and to work. Get smart, read books and treat people with respect.
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written by Guest, April 30, 2006
"Don't give me s**t that we're protecting our country from terrorism,etc....bull crap!! When was the last time you heard of a latino terrorist? I can guarantee you, any one who really wants to enter the US can, and will regardless of a little tourist visa. European countries don't even require a visa from brazilians, let alone insane interviews and ridiculous, unkown entrance criteria. I guess the European countries will just continue to reap the rewards of ever-increasing tourism dollars, while our tourist industry is limited to the domestic market."

Say it with me - JOSE PADILLA. Yes he was only one LATINO terrorist (that we know of) but sometimes that's all it takes - especially when your plans were to set of a dirty bomb in a major city. I guess you don't recall all those Mexicans jumping for joy after they heard the news on 9/11 that Americans were dead in a terrorist attack. I guess you forgot about those soccer matches in Mexico where the crowd was chanting "long live Bin-Laden" How many Brazilians have also typed "long live Bin-Laden" on this site come to think of it?

European countries don't require visas and we will see how much longer that lasts. Not nearly as many go to Europe but England is already turning most Brazilians back at the border and other countries have legislation on the table to require visas for Brazilians because they are abusing the system once again.

Furthermore the US is hardly suffering economically by excluding Brazilians as TOURISTS especially when statistically speaking about half or more will stay illegally and place some kind of burden on the educational and/or medical system in the US. That's just for starters. Meanwhile they help depress wages and allow scumbag employers to have a very cheap source of labor. Your argument just doesn't hold up.

Keep this in mind as well. Brazilians who have substantial amounts of money to spend in the US are granted visas all the time without any hassles at all. Yeah it sucks to be middle class in Brazil but America is not losing all that much money anyway. Oh and you forgot to mention the 6 billion they send back to Brazil each year - how is that for contributing to the local economy? America loses all the way around.

Brazil may not make us wait in line or go through some absurd application process but at the same time they are almost guaranteed to see American tourists OBEY the law and leave after their 3 or 6 month stay and very few Americans who can afford to travel to Brazil are later going to burden the Brazilian system unless of course you are talking about all the police reports that US and other tourists have to file after having their wallets, cameras, cell phones stolen and their credit cards cloned. . .

You know what, come to think of it what Brazil does IS absurd!! They follow some petulant policy of reciprocidade and require Americans to have visas to enter their country. America was attacked and we tighten border controls so what does Brazil do - compares that to the worst atrocities of Nazi Germany?? Get f**king real. Funny Argentinians, Colombians, Peruvians, Chilenos don't complain about it and don't act like f**king children and begin photographing and fingerprinting Americans. . . Brazil is the only country besides Paraguay and Surinam (yee haaw - there's a good time) that require a visa of US citizens. Even then those visas are not as expensive or difficult to obtain. Do you know how many Americans I have talked to think twice before coming to Brazil because they have to pay an extra $150 per person to get a visa. No Brazil is f**king stupid. They had a chance to vote down the visa requirement for Americans and refused to do so. Don't ask us to feel sorry for Brazilians not allowed into America when you consider all that.
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written by Guest, April 30, 2006
Judging by the great pains you went to to compile that list, the length of the diatribe and the fact that you had to copy it on the same post, I would say the only mentally disturbed individual here is you!

Wow that is a spectacular list and I guess we can all just take your word for it as you seem to be connected to NASA, The Fed, The Federal Government, Intel, Hospitals and major universities. Wow what do you do in your spare time - design solid fuel boosters for NASA? Let me guess - you work for the CIA? Get over yourself dork!

"Hey, do not forget that Brazilian scientist that made headlines in the US with research on brain and control."

Now if only he or she could help you put both of those things together . . .
Hmmm..
written by Guest, April 30, 2006
What strange argument:

"Oh and you forgot to mention the 6 billion they send back to Brazil each year - how is that for contributing to the local economy? America loses all the way around. "

What about the billions of $$$ the US companies profit in Brazil?

What about the billions of $$$ US Jews send to Israel? What about the billions of $$$ Mexicans send to Mexico?

I know a Chinese man here in the US that is supporting his family in China.

This is GLOBALIZATION and the Americans invented it so get use to it.

It is wrong to live illegally in any country and I agree that the US should control its border but man paranoia is not the answer. Remember, the American economy is much entwined with other world economy, including Brazil. Have you calculated how much money is already invested in Brazil by the Americans companies and banks? How much is coming more and more every day? There is no way back now.

We are all in the same boat for better or for worse.


I rest my case...
written by Guest, April 30, 2006
"Judging by the great pains you went to to compile that list, the length of the diatribe and the fact that you had to copy it on the same post, I would say the only mentally disturbed individual here is you!

Wow that is a spectacular list and I guess we can all just take your word for it as you seem to be connected to NASA, The Fed, The Federal Government, Intel, Hospitals and major universities. Wow what do you do in your spare time - design solid fuel boosters for NASA? Let me guess - you work for the CIA? Get over yourself dork!

"Hey, do not forget that Brazilian scientist that made headlines in the US with research on brain and control."

Now if only he or she could help you put both of those things together . . ."

I DO rest my case with this guy. You all are testimony that I tried to be civilized but he seems to be out of control. Wild American boar at large…!!!

Good bye and enjoy life!

By the way, buy some good books, read a lot and treat others with respect. Evolve!


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written by Guest, April 30, 2006
So does NASA have you coming in weekends now or are you off to get your next assignment from your CIA station chief? Oh that's right you're the next Brazilian astronaut in line to go up to the Space Station.

So 1 in 5000 Brazilians has a college degree or some specialized skill and even then you would have us believe that they are Albert Einstein each and every one. They can't just be regular Brazilians with BA's in History or Biology - NO - they have to be cardio-thoracic surgeons and special advisors to Bernard Bernanke. They all own huge companies that hire us lowly Americans who genuflect before the intellectual superiority of the Brazilian. Thank god for the genuine intellectuals that Brazil exports to the US - otherwise where would we be? Woe is me!

By the way where do you actually wash dishes? How's the food?
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written by Guest, April 30, 2006
"The U.S. has it ALL...Desert, Snow, Tropics, Mountains, White Water, Beaches, Change of Sesons(some of the most spectacular foliage in the world)."

Brazil too, don't you go to school???

Desert eg: Northest "Sertão".
Snow eg: South at "São Joaquim/SC" or "Campos do Jordão/SP"
Mountains eg: "Pico das Agulhas/RJ", "Serra da Mantiqueira/SP and MG"
Change of Seasons, Tropics: Brazil.
Beaches, 8.000km of it.
White Water: dah.

"Brazil has TROPICS and the Amazon....that's it....there is no variation!"

Maybe you never go to school. And also you never heard about Pantanal (you won't find anything like that arround the world) neither about those over 500 caves at Vale do Ribeira (for each cave there is 3 waterfalls, of course you know that) or Northest beaches (come and see) etc...

Is that your proof of "intellectually superior"? Grow up man. Unless you really know every american and brazillians to say that, you are really really stup*d. There are a lot of ignorant brazilians and americans, also there is a lot of great minds here and there. That kind of thought that makes us people hated all arround the world. You are a shame to US citizens.

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"Is that you angry little fella? It's pretty obvious someone or something wounded your little ego in the US."

No, I'm not angry, i'm disapointed. US have a lot of beautiful spots to visit (i have a permanent visa), but it is so hard to get there that I think "why go there?", "is really necessary go thru all that". Of course there is a lot of unwanted Brazilians there, who makes your cities dirty adn everything else, but as you read up there, they could choose better. The problem, i think, it is not the legal imigrants.

Oh, by the way, i think you never gone to Argentina, that story about "they hate brazilians". That is just a tale for kids and fanatic soccer fans. Brazilians are the too stupid and hate them, not otherwise. Its obvious you never gone there and if you did, you are not Brazilian, are you?

"How the f**k would you know if Brazil has more waterfalls than the US and is that the standard by which all beauty is measured these days?"

You are right. Beauty depends of the person who sees it.

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"10 % ONLY of sewage are treated, and 90 %, right to the rivers and the ocean. Garbage ? 10 % too is treated and the 90 % nobody cares anyway ! "

Uhm, only 10% of the country produces enough polution to harm the nature, and it is all concentred at Southest. The northest don't have industries and other stuff that harm the planet: that is the problem with that place!!!

Garbage? São Paulo produces as much as NY. But Vitoria (ES), Maceio (AL), Aracaju (SE) etc etc don't.

Statistics are tricky, US produce a lot more garbage and sewer than Brazil - it is a fact! (They have about 100milion ppl more than Brazil). But in other hand, Brazil is the greatest aluminiun recycler in the world. (source: National Geographic) How is it possible?
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written by Guest, April 30, 2006
Is that your proof of "intellectually superior"? Grow up man. Unless you really know every american and brazillians to say that, you are really really stup*d. There are a lot of ignorant brazilians and americans, also there is a lot of great minds here and there. That kind of thought that makes us people hated all arround the world. You are a shame to US citizens.

Hey dickhead - you have a permanent visa. You are not American ok?? Don't forget that! You don't get to speak for Americans dips**t!!

Oh, by the way, i think you never gone to Argentina, that story about "they hate brazilians". That is just a tale for kids and fanatic soccer fans. Brazilians are the too stupid and hate them, not otherwise. Its obvious you never gone there and if you did, you are not Brazilian, are you?"

By the way you f**king idiot, I live in BsAs - they don't like you here ok. TRUST ME. No more than you like Argentinians in Brazil. I have Argentinian friends and they don't have anything nice to say about Brazilians here. There are more Brazilians here than ever before and you can always tell when one is within 100 meters because they would be the ones screaming at the top of their lungs as if to announce to the world: "hey look at me, I'm a wealthy Brazilian who is traveling internationally". It's actually pretty funny.
Both countries are beautiful
written by Guest, April 30, 2006
I know the two countries really well. In the US I have visited from Hawaii to Florida. The US is a very beautiful country. But I have also visited Canada and there Nature is also fantastic. So is Mexico.

In Brazil I have visited the Amazon and all the way to Rio Grande do Sul and I think that we have plenty of beautiful and wonderful places. Brazil is amazing too.

Trying to offend someone using Nature as a reference is silly. It will not work.
Interpol Alert!!!
written by Guest, April 30, 2006
"By the way you f**king idiot, I live in BsAs - they don't like you here ok. TRUST ME. No more than you like Argentinians in Brazil. I have Argentinian friends and they don't have anything nice to say about Brazilians here. There are more Brazilians here than ever before and you can always tell when one is within 100 meters because they would be the ones screaming at the top of their lungs as if to announce to the world: "hey look at me, I'm a wealthy Brazilian who is traveling internationally". It's actually pretty funny."

He is hiding in Argentina, now. He is moving around trying to escape Interpol.
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written by Guest, April 30, 2006
I haven't been involved on this thread but I feel I should call out this post:

"Desert eg: Northest "Sertão".
Snow eg: South at "São Joaquim/SC" or "Campos do Jordão/SP"
Mountains eg: "Pico das Agulhas/RJ", "Serra da Mantiqueira/SP and MG"
Change of Seasons, Tropics: Brazil.
Beaches, 8.000km of it.
White Water: dah."

I don't think this person has any idea what he/she is talking about. There is no snow in Brazil compared to the states in the US that get dumped on like Minnesota, North Dakota, Michigan and otheres. There is NOTHING like the winters these states have in Brazil. And there are certainly no mountains that compare to the Rockies in Brazil. And for change in seasons, I think what the other poster meant was distinct change in seasons, e.g. in autmumn the tress change colors and the leaves fall, in winter it snows, spring the leaves come back and summer is hot.
By the way, I've been to Rio Grande do Sul in the Winter and it was HUGE news just that there was frost on the ground one morning.
-sigh- Another Brazilian who knows nothing about the USA but decides to open his mouth anyway.
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written by Guest, April 30, 2006
No actually I am living in BsAs legally? Can you say the same about the US? Not likely? So how is the food? You didn't answer my question.

Not much snow in Brazil
written by Guest, April 30, 2006
Sometimes Brazil gets some snow in Granada, for example and some other places. The temperatures in the south of Brazil are low enough for snowing but the entire atmospheric condition does not favor snowing there. .

The US has far, but far more snow than Brazil and that is not an exaggeration. But Campos de Jordao is the place where you may find spectacular icicles hanging from the pine trees.
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written by Guest, April 30, 2006
l'm from Colorado and I have to laugh every single time Brazilians claim to have mountains . . . or that they get snow!! The majority of them also think it's cold in CO all year round. I have told several Brazilians that it regularly gets hotter in CO than it does in Brazil and they flat out told me I was lying. Hilarious.
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written by Guest, April 30, 2006
WOW - icicles!!! s**t - let me sharpen up my ice tools and crampons and get down to Brazil for some world class icicle climbing . . .
International Criminals in S America
written by Guest, April 30, 2006
Yes, some criminals do get married to local ladies to avoid deportation. They are staying legally but with a huge debt to the US justice.

It is distressing that countries in South America permit criminals to hide there. What else would a person with so much anger and hatred would be doing in South America?

Oh, man, I just wonder what kind of crime you have committed to be away from the US...

I hope that the people around you can find safety. I am worried for the innocents.




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written by Guest, April 30, 2006
One can't expect people that enter a country illegally, or enter on a tourist visa and "overstay" their visit by a few years or forever, in mass, such as mexico and brazil, to be afforded the same respect and consideration as peoples from other countries that actually obey the law.

I'm sorry, but I just can't feel sorry for a people that continue to abuse another systems laws and policies, and brazilians have certainly done that.

The bottom line comes down to this. These qualified applicants that get denied in both mexico and brazil have no one to blame but their own people that have gone there before them and have never left.

As far as the few tourism dollars the U.S. gov't. and states are "losing" by denying visas certainly doesn't have any type of significant impact whatsoever, as was mentioned above, the U.S. has it's fill of tourism dollars, it truly doesn't need more especially in risk of exhasbertating the epidemic numbers of illegals currently there.

One can rest easy that the 12.5 Trillion dollar american economy certainly isn't based in tourism. Nor do these policies seem to be having an effect on tourism and the requests for visas and green cards are being requested in record numbers.

And speaking of "international good will", where is the "goodwill" from the 12-20 million illegals? Seriously, what countries people in their right mind would go to a country in mass, disrespect the laws and regulations, then have the audacity and disrespect things like the national anthem, not only changing the language of it, but actually changing the words and inferring it start being sung in spanish and a different version nonetheless. What's next? Are they going to want to throw some green into the changing of the american flag? How about an american holiday for Cinco de Mayo and Tiradentes?

Americans have every right to be fed-up with the gross exaggerated numbers of illegals and demand something be done about it, as is being done now. And to the nations that are the largest perpetrators they deserve to have stricter guidelines. It is certainly nothing unfair, and anyone can bet that ANY nation on earth in the current situation the U.S. is today with the numbers of illegals would do exactly the same thing or even worse.
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written by Guest, April 30, 2006
It is distressing that countries in South America permit criminals to hide there. What else would a person with so much anger and hatred would be doing in South America?

Would you be referring to countries like Brazil where almost everyone breaks the law and does it with a smile . . s**t Brazil with its 190 million law breakers harbors more criminals than any other country in the world. One can only wonder how many times you broke the law in Brazil but then again a cardio-thoracic surgeon like yourself probably had connections eh?

Oh, man, I just wonder what kind of crime you have committed to be away from the US...

No the question is how many crimes have you committed in Brazil and how many do you commit in the US on a daily basis. I mean that is when you're not unlocking the mysteries of cold fusion or helping other Brazilian surgeons transplant cow hearts into humans . . .



I hope that the people around you can find safety. I am worried for the innocents.

I think you should just worry about trying to hold down that job at Burger King while trying to feed 8 hungry mouths . . .
Re:How about an american holiday for Cin
written by Guest, April 30, 2006
As a Brazilian I totally agree with you and that is exactly what I tell to my co-workers here.

I admit that my English is not good but I am doing every effort to improve it and I think that it is ridiculous to sing the American Anthem is Spanish or even Portuguese. Immigrants must learn English and that is the natural way. The Italians did (well, in their own way), the Germans did, the Chinese did, etc

No, I doubt that Brazilians would request the Tiradentes day there, ever.
Calm down now...
written by Guest, April 30, 2006
"I think you should just worry about trying to hold down that job at Burger King while trying to feed 8 hungry mouths . . ."

Yes, I will hold the Burger King Job as you have suggested. I am doing that to just keep you happy so you would not kill any poor Argentineans.

I agree with you, with everything you are saying so calm down, be gentle and kill no one.

We are just talking; life is beautiful, so relax.

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written by Guest, April 30, 2006
to the poster above that explained what I meant about change of seasons you were exactly correct. Brazil, basically, has a tropical climate, it certainly doesn't have ANY place in the country where one sees the foliage and colors of the leaves changing during autumn as the northeastern U.S. Or the rockies in colorado, or the snow that is seen in Colorado, Vermont, the entire northeast and upper-midwest. You never going to find people snow-skiing in brazil, that's for sure, and one who has never seen the northeastern U.S. or mid-atlantic states during the middle of October until mid november would have no idea what I'm talking about.

Brazil is also a beautiful country, but we're getting quite off-topic here. Try to stay on point. It's obvious in respect to this subject that especially brazilians and mexicans don't have one leg to stand on. Imagine if the U.S. had millions of illegals in brazil, and was defending the fact, and upset because brazil required strict guidelines for americans to enter. I think that EVERYONE in the U.S. would understand as to why the brazilian gov't. would do this, but it is quite funny that this upsets numerous brazilians. Do they think that we're just picking on them for no good reason? Obviously many do. As was stated earlier, after 9-11 and the new identification process established for 150 countries, and the other 40 countries were given a time period to "update" their passports or they too would be subject to the same identification process, Brazil was the ONLY country on the planet that couldn't quite understand why we were making them conform to this policy!! Hello?? You have a million illegals, you're country is infamous for the forging of documents, you have a little place in the south of your country called Foz do Iguacu where Hezbollah and Hamas are well known to be stationed there and responsible for bombings in Argentina. Then this "reciprocity" national pride ridiculous ruling by a cowboy judge from mato grosso, here is a quote:

"Brazil denies it is retaliating for the U.S. policy, but Judge Julier da Silva's order to begin fingerprinting contained tough rhetoric, calling the U.S. program "absolutely brutal, threatening to human rights, violating human dignity, xenophobic and worthy of the worst horrors committed by the Nazis."

Now this statement is from a judge from a state that has the WORST record in respect to slave labor in Brazil....his remarks are MUCH more appropriate to that very situation than to getting your photograph taken and electronically fingerprinted. If anyone remembers when this actually took place, and I do, there were americans that were waiting for NINE hours for this process. They didn't have it organized or streamlined in the slightest, brazilian beurocracy at it's finest.

I mean seriously, after all the above, it's truly a wonder that brazilians are given visas at all.

About Anthem in foreign language.
written by Guest, April 30, 2006
Anyone saw that Antartica's comercial of its most popular product, Guaraná, where the former soccer player Maradona sings Brazilian anthem?
re:I rest my case...
written by Guest, April 30, 2006
It was nice to reading from you, you out there. I desire the same for people here on this site. Good luck and respect the others, we as humanity will get somewhere better this way.

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written by Guest, April 30, 2006
quote:

"Brazil denies it is retaliating for the U.S. policy, but Judge Julier da Silva's order to begin fingerprinting contained tough rhetoric, calling the U.S. program "absolutely brutal, threatening to human rights, violating human dignity, xenophobic and worthy of the worst horrors committed by the Nazis."


Wow, what a statement, and from a judge? Quite disrespectful to jewish people wouldn't one think? Comparing getting fingerprinted and photographed to the extermination and slaughter of 12 million human beings??
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written by Guest, April 30, 2006
I agree with you, with everything you are saying so calm down, be gentle and kill no one.

We are just talking; life is beautiful, so relax.

Hey didn't you say "good bye and enjoy life." What are you still doing here then? Don't you have an open heart surgery to perform somewhere? The question is how many people did you kill in Brazil?? How many are you going to kill in America especially since you are Brazilian and by definition have the knowhow to build a nuclear weapon with simple household items.
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written by Guest, April 30, 2006
"Anyone saw that Antartica's comercial of its most popular product, Guaraná, where the former soccer player Maradona sings Brazilian anthem?"

No, haven't seen it. But I would say that a people, such as the mexicans, that are in the U.S. in mass and illegal, to change the words to our national anthem and suggest it also be sung in spanish, wow, what can one say, that's disrespectful with a capital D. Americans are a VERY patriotic people, as any foreigner knows that has ever been there. When one travels to a country he has to conform to the norms and culture of that country. I'm an american and living in brazil, I speak portuguese. I would certainly never EXPECT a brazilian to speak to me in english. That would be quite arrogant. I seriously can't imagine americans going to another country in mass illegally and having the balls to suggest that country change its anthem and sing it in english....LOL.
Appologies...
written by Guest, April 30, 2006
Sure, you are right I should have ignored you from the beginning but the psychological warfare was too attractive to refuse.

I was just using you to see how far someone would go with all the crap (from both sides).

I apologize to the other readers here I was having fun but this is going too far.

Well, actually I did not mean to call you criminal but I guess that does not matter to you since you really enjoy this type of warfare. So, I am "chickening out".

Have a good life and go on release all your anger here. Good place to be anonymous and look so though at the same time. Isn’t it?

By the way, I got your IP address and provider.

Oh, just kidding! Or maybe not… smilies/smiley.gif
Re: About Anthem in foreign language.
written by Guest, April 30, 2006
Could tell us where to get the video?

I heard all about it but could not find the video to download.
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written by Guest, April 30, 2006
Yeah, maybe all of the North Africans in France should suggest that the country's anthem be sung in Arabic. See how that blows over...
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written by Guest, April 30, 2006
quote:Hey didn't you say "good bye and enjoy life." What are you still doing here then? Don't you have an open heart surgery to perform somewhere?

This is not him answering all right?, this is another brazilian, in Brazil, feeling sad about the dialog here and saying: yes you and I have tried to talk with you, american, on this columm. Guess you don't want to talk, but affirm yourself and country. Do feel jealous of something? Forget it, the world had to many problems and I don't you are willing to at least understand it.

The question is how many people did you kill in Brazil?? How many are you going to kill in America especially since you are Brazilian and by definition have the knowhow to build a nuclear weapon with simple household items

Don't be such a jerk. What's the problem with you anyway? Did you lose something for good?
i am out of here if you don't correct your negative atittude. be polite, don't use you anger like that, i'm sure whatever is happening, things will work out better later on.
Re:Yeah, maybe all of the North Africans
written by Guest, April 30, 2006
That would be the ultimate offense to the French.

Hey, what about the Brazilian anthem in English? How that would sound?

What about the American Anthem in Russian? In Chinese would really sound funny.
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written by Guest, April 30, 2006

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories...938.shtml


A Spanish-language version of the "Star-Spangled Banner?"

"I think the national anthem ought to be sung in English," President Bush told reporters Friday, "and I think people who want to be a citizen of this country ought to learn English, and they ought to learn to sing the national anthem in English," he said.

British music producer Adam Kidron said he just wanted to honor the millions of immigrants seeking a better life in the U.S. when he came up with the idea of a Spanish-language version of the national anthem.

Kidron said his idea of "Nuestro Himno" "has never been to discourage immigrants from learning English and embracing American culture," but rather seeks to provide an outlet for patriotism for those who have not yet learned English.

The initial version of "Nuestro Himno," or "Our Anthem" comes out Friday and features artists such as Wyclef Jean, hip-hop star Pitbull and Puerto Rican singers Carlos Ponce and Olga Tanon.

But some Internet bloggers and others are infuriated by the thought of "The Star-Spangled Banner" sung in a language other than English, and the Spanish version of the song has already been the target of a fierce backlash.

"It's kind of an odd way for illegal immigrants to ask the American people to forgive them for their offenses — to appropriate one of our symbols and make it suit them better,” Mark Krikorian of the Center for Immigration Studies, a think tank that supports tighter immigration controls, told CBS News correspondent Richard Schlesinger.

However, Canada's national anthem, "O, Canada," is sung in both English and French.

On Friday, Tennessee Senator Lamar Alexander introduced a resolution to, in his words, "Remind the country why we sing our National Anthem in English," reports Schlesinger.



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Listen to a portion of "Nuestro Himno."

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"Nuestro Himno" uses lyrics based closely on the English-language original, said Kidron, who heads the record label Urban Box Office.

In the first verse, the references to bombs and rockets have been changed to "fierce combat." However, the second stanza is almost all new, with phrases that Francis Scott Key never wrote, such as "we are equal, we are brothers."

There are four verses in the original poem.

"We hope that the President would listen to the passionate and thoughtful rendition of the anthem presented by 'Nuestro Himno' and embrace the opportunity to teach a wider audience about the American Dream," Kidron said.

Pro-immigration protests are planned around the country for Monday, and the record label is urging Hispanic radio stations nationwide to play the cut at 7 p.m. EDT Friday in a sign of solidarity. It was being distributed to stations via e-mail as an MP3 file.

A remix to be released in June will contain several lines in English that condemn U.S. immigration laws. Among them: "These kids have no parents, cause all of these mean laws ... let's not start a war with all these hard workers, they can't help where they were born."

Bryanna Bevens of Hanford, Calif., who writes for the immigration-focused Web magazine Vdare.com, said the remix particularly upset her.

"It's very whiny. If you want to say all those things, by all means, put them on your poster board, but don't put them on the national anthem," she said.

Kidron, a U.S. resident for 16 years, maintains the changes are fitting. After all, he notes, American immigrants borrowed the melody of the "Star-Spangled Banner" from an English drinking song, "To Anacreon From Heaven." (It was sung to that tune as early as 1814, just months after Key wrote the poem, after two Baltimore newspapers noted that the words fit the melody.)

"There's no attempt to usurp anything. The intent is to communicate," Kidron said. "I wanted to show my thanks to these people who buy my records and listen to the music we release and do the jobs I don't want to do."

Kidron said the song also will be featured on the album "Somos Americanos," which will sell for $10, with $1 going to the National Capital Immigration Coalition, a Washington group.

James Gardner, an associate director of the Smithsonian's National Museum of American History, said Americans have long enjoyed different interpretations of "The Star-Spangled Banner," including country or gospel arrangements.

"There are a number of renditions that people aren't happy with, but that's part of it — that it means enough for people to try to sing," he said.

"The Star-Spangled Banner" only became the U.S. national anthem in 1931. There is no official instrumental arrangement of the anthem. The U.S. Marine and Army bands play different versions, often in different keys.

Of the 389 recordings listed at AllMusic.com, none is in Spanish.

Key penned several different versions, and the law making it the U.S. national anthem does not specify the exact words.

Pitbull, whose real name is Armando Perez, said this country was built by immigrants, and "the meaning of the American dream is in that record: struggle, freedom, opportunity, everything they are trying to shut down on us."

"I love my country, and I love my [Mexican musical] heritage, and I try to keep it alive," bandleader Benigno "Benny" Layton of Elsa, Texas, told The Washington Post. "But some things are sacred that you don't do. And translating the national anthem is one of them."

re: appologies
written by Guest, April 30, 2006
i wish the brazilian doctor could read your appology. Man this is scaring!

The brazilian thanking him for backing me on this mission.
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written by Guest, April 30, 2006
By the way, I got your IP address and provider.

Oh, just kidding! Or maybe not… smilies/smiley.gif

And? Is that supposed to be of some interest to me? You should rather be more worried if I have yours and call INS. What would all your patients do without you though? I guess find another Brazilian brain surgeon who moonlights at Burger King.
What?
written by Guest, April 30, 2006
I wish we have a way to identify the poster here uniquely. This is getting messy.

i wish the brazilian doctor could read your appology.

What Brazilian doctor?

Man this is scaring!

What is scaring?

The brazilian thanking him for backing me on this mission.

What mission?

Thanks





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written by Guest, April 30, 2006
stop I know you're joking here. The nice doctor is not here anymore
off the topic now but who cares
written by Guest, April 30, 2006
Seriously, who gives a s**t if the stupid national anthem is sung in Spanish. If you think about logically all you're talking about is a song and a language. If the Mexicans, Puerto Ricans, Cubans and others don't learn English it won't be because they sing the national anthem in spanish. If the USA wants to be a multicultural melting pot (which it should strive to be - minus the arab muslims of course) it should learn to accept more than one language. It may actually give the country a little more culture, which is much needed in its current state of AMerican Idol cookie-cutter pop stars, MTV bulls**t and dumbed down sewage spewed from Hollywood every week.
off the topic now but who cares
written by Guest, April 30, 2006
Seriously, who gives a s**t if the stupid national anthem is sung in Spanish. If you think about logically all you're talking about is a song and a language. If the Mexicans, Puerto Ricans, Cubans and others don't learn English it won't be because they sing the national anthem in spanish. If the USA wants to be a multicultural melting pot (which it should strive to be - minus the arab muslims of course) it should learn to accept more than one language. It may actually give the country a little more culture, which is much needed in its current state of AMerican Idol cookie-cutter pop stars, MTV bulls**t and dumbed down sewage spewed from Hollywood every week.
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written by Guest, April 30, 2006
the point is that you don't go to countries in mass, break the law, then disrespect the customs and traditions of that place. With this type of behavior and attitude americans that disrespect these "foreigners" can actually be done so justifiably.
re: I wish the brazilian doctor could re
written by Guest, April 30, 2006
I was talking to him!
"I did not say that every Brazilian that comes to US is a nuclear physicist but man you do hate Brazil, don't you? The ways you attack the Brazilians and other Americans posters here with passion draw near to mentally disturbed".

quote :Well, actually I did not mean to call you criminal but I guess that does not matter to you since you really enjoy this type of warfare. So, I am "chickening out". A

identify who were calling criminal
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written by Guest, April 30, 2006
Ask Iraq about the illegal immigrants from the USA. They got there without visa or any permission and even using weapons of destruction.

smile
re:appologies
written by Guest, April 30, 2006
quote:
Sure, you are right I should have ignored you from the beginning but the psychological warfare was too attractive to refuse.

I was just using you to see how far someone would go with all the crap (from both sides).

I apologize to the other readers here I was having fun but this is going too far.

Well, actually I did not mean to call you criminal but I guess that does not matter to you since you really enjoy this type of warfare. So, I am "chickening out".

Have a good life and go on release all your anger here. Good place to be anonymous and look so though at the same time. Isn’t it?

By the way, I got your IP address and provider.

Oh, just kidding! Or maybe not… smilies/smiley.gif

Who are you talking to here? Who are you appologizing, if so...
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written by Guest, April 30, 2006
Yeah, yeah ask IRAQ (!)about the illegal immigrants. They probably will have a f answer to you
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written by Guest, April 30, 2006
"Ask Iraq about the illegal immigrants from the USA. They got there without visa or any permission and even using weapons of destruction.

smile"

Ugghh, moron. It just got a helluva a lot dumber here, didn't it? Nevertheless, I better respond to this comment at a level that you'll understand:

Ask the USA about the illegal immigrants coming from the Middle East. They got there with fake visas and without permission and like to fly planes into buildings.

"smile"
Re:identify who were calling criminal
written by Guest, April 30, 2006
He knows. Read the posters above and see for yourself.

Good luck!

I was having a dark Sunday... LOL

The above poster is a result of nasty warfare between an anonymous Brazilian and an anonymous American and the whole thing was not well defined. Anyone can assume the “personality” and that could generate confusion.

But the American guy is clearly disturbed and I was tempted to provoke him to watch his mind working.

I know, shame on me. I should stop here.



Just wait he will come again
written by Guest, April 30, 2006
LOL
LOL
written by Guest, April 30, 2006
LIE ON LIE!
re:above
written by Guest, April 30, 2006
good one. Even though I don't agree. I can respect a good putdown...
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written by Guest, April 30, 2006
Maybe we should just all go back to reading sparky's articles. That is our punishment for letting this thread degenerate...
A serious answer...
written by Guest, May 01, 2006
Before this thread degenerated into chaos and acrimony, there was some actual discussion of the topic at hand. I think that I may be able to answer at least one of the questions implicit in the article.

U.S Federal Agencies are required to try to recoup the actual, fully-burdened cost of providing services to individuals. This is also true of most state and local government agencies in the U.S. So the fees for a VISA application are set according to the costs. These costs include the personnel (including supporting personnel), facilities, paperwork, computer systems, security, background checks for applicants, records keeping, etc., and are probably averaged world-wide.

It is extremely unlikely that the U.S. Consulate is trying to make a profit on Visa applicants. The U.S. Government spends about $31,710.00 per second. So, the amount paid by the 37,647 Brazilian Visa applicants who were denied in 2004 would amount to about two minutes and twenty seconds worth of the U.S. Government’s yearly budget.

I think that it's reasonable to conclude that the motivation for the fees is not to extract money from hapless Visa applicants.

That said, it would be common courtesy for the U.S Consulate to provide a detailed list of the grounds for outright denial of Visas, in order to avoid frustration on the part of applicants. It would also be a good idea for the U.S Consulate to provide an explanation of why there are fees and how the amounts are arrived at. Payment in US dollars may be because of the complexities of administering the aforementioned requirement, or possibly it is a holdover that is due to the past instabilities of Brazilian currencies.

One possible motivation for denials that was not mentioned in previous posts is unofficial and personal "reciprocity" by the personnel at the consulate many of whom have undoubtedly tasted Brazilian bureaucracy at its finest. Believe it or not, employees of government agencies are also human beings, with human emotions. And after all, bureaucracy doesn’t exist just in U.S. Embassies. I can tell a tale of my own…

I live in the U.S. and I’m partner in a small business in Brazil. I wanted to open a bank account in Brazil for business use. I obtained a CPF (the Brazilian equivalent of a Social Security Card), filled out forms, provided documentation including the business information, a copy of my passport, etc. In the U.S., and with the same level of documentation, I could probably have opened a bank account in thirty minutes or less, even if I was there illegally. Instead, after four months of paper work, trying five different banks, various visits to cartorios, and paying almost US$2,000 in fees to two different lawyers, the final conclusion was that I can’t open a bank account in Brazil because I’m not a resident of Brazil. This was after investing well in excess of $100,000 in the company in Brazil. Needless to say, after this experience, any plans to make further investments in Brazil are on hold indefinitely.

The previous article about the “jetinho” neglected to mention its historical origins. It was actually invented to cope with the Portuguese colonial bureaucracy, which was designed to control activities in Brazil from far away Portugal. Unfortunately, when Brazil gained its independence, it didn’t get rid of the Portuguese-style bureaucracy, which has been elaborated on and persists to this day.

Don’t get me wrong. I’m still a big fan of Brazil, but there are good and bad things about every country, there are no exceptions to this rule!
Re:A serious answer...
written by Guest, May 01, 2006
Very good point!

In Brazil we do have excessive and sometimes very stupid banking rules which I hope one day an efficient government will change.

Good luck and do not give up. Now you know what we, the Brazilians, are facing to change our country to a world class one.

For now, our government is our own worse enemy, not the Americans or Europeans or anybody outside. The greatest weakness we have is our bureaucratic system, our incompetent government and the difficulties we have to replace a bunch of old, corrupted and obtuse politicians.

I have hopes for our country though.
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written by Guest, May 01, 2006
The greatest weakness we have is our bureaucratic system, our incompetent government and the difficulties we have to replace a bunch of old, corrupted and obtuse politicians.

I could say this of practically every country on earth. At least your young men are not being blown to pieces or gunned down by snipers so old men can grow old . . . Be thankful you don't have Bush as a president. Lula is a genuine idiot and liar but he is relatively harmless. Imagine having the anti-christ as your president and The Dark Angel as your vice-president . . .
Sad but true
written by Guest, May 01, 2006
I am a Canadian with a Brasilian Girlfriend.. she was denied a tourist Visa, then we spent months to get her accepted to university in my Province... and even then she was denied her Student visa.. Both without a valid reason.
How to Enter US and NOT be Turned Down
written by Guest, May 01, 2006
Step one. Pay the fee, so that you can make an appointment for the interview with the US Consulate.
Step two. Find the required forms 156/157 on the Consulate site, complete the documents and have your Visa photos taken at a local store.
Arrive early at the Consulate.
Step three. Complete the papers they give you and wait to be called.
Consul Employees will call you.
When asked: What Visa are you applying for? Tourist.
Purpose of your visit? Visiting Disneyworld for fun.
Are your documents completely filled out? Yes.
OK, take a seat over there.
Step four. (Make sure you ordered the Disneyworld tickets on-line and have them with you.
The consular officer takes your forms and passports and looks them over. He asks each of you, What's your employment? You respond. He asks if you've brought your Imposto de Renda (Tax Return). You reply, yes and provide them.
Once you get to the Orlando Airport, buy another ticket for where you want to go and go see who you want to see.
Or for a cheaper visit, have them meet you in Orlando.
It’s not beating the system, but it provides a better reason and a larger possibility of approval.
Just trying to help.
Boycott the US
written by Guest, May 01, 2006
Don't buy anything American...
Why don\'t they...
written by Guest, May 01, 2006
(US officials) return the $100 when visas are denied?

The denied tourists are sudsidizing this very process in the US diplomatic core....unfair at any angle.
re: boycott the U.S.
written by Guest, May 01, 2006
you can believe this, if brazil boycotted american products the economy there wouldn't even feel it. Matter of fact it would IMPROVE the american "bottom line", afterall, the U.S. is the #1 importer of brazilian products, and Brazil has a trade SURPLUS with the U.S. not a deficit.

On the other hand, if the U.S. were to boycott brazil, the leading purchaser of brazilian exports, the leading number of tourists and tourists dollars spent, the brazil economy would most definitely feel a dramatic effect.

But, trying to understand the logic of the previous post, one wants to "boycott" american products because brazilians are being denied visas and it's the 2nd largest perpetrator of illegals in the U.S.....interesting ideaology.
Production of sewage and garbage !!!!
written by Guest, May 01, 2006
The quantity produced is not important !
I was referring to the quantity TREATED !

You may as well scroll up in the news page of this site. there was an article on this subject weeks ago !
An article written by a Brazilian not by a foreigner, just to make things clear !
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written by Guest, May 01, 2006
"(US officials) return the $100 when visas are denied?

The denied tourists are sudsidizing this very process in the US diplomatic core....unfair at any angle."

Do you expect the american gov't. to LOSE money in processing foreign applicants to enter the country? You expect the american taxpayers to pay the costs involved for FOREIGNERS wanting to visit the U.S.??

As was explained above, the costs involved in processing an applicant are the SAME whether one is denied or approved. Some of the statements here about this, such as the american gov't. is looking to "make money" from this process is ridiculous, like this is a big fountain of income for a 12.5 trillion dollar economy....LOL.
re: production of sewerage
written by Guest, May 01, 2006
One has to take into account on that subject that that particular article was in respect to areas where sewerage systems, or "esgoto" is actually in place....a large percentage of this country, even areas in capitols of states, DO NOT HAVE SEWERAGE SYSTEMS!

It doesn't "win" votes, they'd much rather spend 10 million dollars for a brazilian to hitch a ride on a soviet rocket and spend a week in a predominately american space hotel. Even though in just 3 more years NASA has agreed to allow a brazilian to go to space in the shuttle for FREE. It's an election year ya know.
No Brazilian ever replies !
written by Guest, May 01, 2006
Why dont Brazil provides free visas and allow illegal workers for hundreds of thousands of Bolivians, Peruvians, Nicarguayans, people from Honduras, Venezuela to enter your country for a "visit" ????
Obviously not those who have a University degree.
They too count. Arent they your Friends. so why do you stop them at the customs ?
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written by Guest, May 01, 2006
it's the same "talk out of both sides of your mouth" brazilian rhetoric.

Brazil bitches about american and european farm subsidies, because it's hurting poor countries like brazil. But then brazils own participation in mercosur whatever policies favor the smaller, poorer countries within that group, uruguay, columbia, paraguay, then all of a sudden the same rules don't apply.

Brazil has never been a country big on "fairness".
But Brazil Brazil Brazil Brazil.....
written by Guest, May 01, 2006


is against the FTA. Against everyrhing the USA do.
Why should you be welcome for a supposedly "family of vacation visit" that in most majority of the cases is not a visit but a long long long stay of several years with the hope of finding an illegal job first and then getting once a green card to finally get a legal job ????????

Why do Brazilians lie constantly and hide the reality of why they want to go to the USA ????
Afterall the USA has already 1 million of illegal Brazilians, some of them got a visa for a "visit" as you say not so candidly !
Reality is that they lied just as you lie !
Should developed countries be invaded by foreigners, because these foreigners did not find a job or a job well paid enough ?
Your failure to develop in the last 100 years is the fault of the people YOU elected and that you may very well re-elect very shortly !
How long would you need to get a developed country yourself ? Another 100 or 1000 years ?

WAKE UP - STAND UP - It is time for a change for the better in YOUR country !

We cannot and dont want to import as much as you desire of your agriculture, beef, chicken and population just to please you !

At one point, too much is too much, or become a Friend to the USA and a member of the FTA.
Only then, hearts and borders will be more open !
But stop s**tting on the country you are dreaming to work and reside !!!!!!!!
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written by Guest, May 01, 2006
I'm watching the coverage of these immigrant "walkouts" currently and have to say its ridiculous.

Regardless of what country you're from, imagine having millions and millions of illegals residing in your country, they take to the streets to protest, and are waving their countrys' flag!!

Imagine seeing millions of illegal americans in brazil protesting and waving american flags!!!


NO RESPECT!
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written by Guest, May 01, 2006
Perhaps it's that whole issue of national sovereignty. Or maybe it's the $38 billion a year spent on social programs for illegals. Or the fact that illegals depress wages for lower income jobs held by Americans and legal immigrants by 8 percent. Or maybe it's the base racism of supporters of illegal immigration who say "They do jobs Americans won't do" - which suggests some jobs are too good for Americans, but it's okay if we make the brown people do them. Maybe it's the fact that the argument that the American economy "needs illegals" is empty rhetoric that ignores basic fundamentals of economics, and is laughably disprovable.

Maybe it's the fact that American employers exploit the illegals. Or the dishonesty of the claims that illegals "built this country" when in fact a small percentage may have provided manual labor, but they did not provide the capital, the vision, the engineering, and the risk Americans did. The mule doesn't build the farm. After all, if they "built America" why is it that they couldn't stay south of the border and "build Mexico or Brazil."

Maybe it's the fact that the tide of illegal immigration serves as a pressure valve for the corrupt, stagnant, socialist government in Mexico and Brazil, meaning it will remain in power and keep the people there poor. Maybe it's the fact that people who are breaking the most fundamental law of a nation - its borders - are being offered a free ride while others queu up and take the right path to become immigrants and citizens. Maybe it's the fact that we can't continue importing poverty. Maybe it's the fact that illegal immigration is a net drain on the economy to the tune of tens of billions a year.

Maybe it's the fact so few assimilate, and they want to import the same corrupt, backwards, illiberal, banana republic values that have kept the rest of Central and South America in the third world. Maybe it's the fact that amnesty now means 48 million illegals in another 20 years, based on our experience with amnesty for 3 million in 1986. Maybe it's the notion of Reconquista. Maybe it's the fact that illegals have driven Parkland Hospital into near ruin, and DISD is next.

But really, do you really care why? All people like you see is racism. So what does it matter?


Continue to contact the Senate Judiciary Committee --

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Senate Judiciary Committee:

Sen. Arlen Specter (R-PA) - 202-224-4254

Sen. Orrin G. Hatch (R-UT) - 202-224-5251

Sen. Charles E. Grassley (R-IA) - 202-224-3744

Sen. Jon L. Kyl (R-AZ) - 202-224-4521

Sen. Mike DeWine (R-OH) - 202-224-2315

Sen. Jeff Sessions (R-AL) - 202-224-4124

Sen. Lindsey O. Graham (R-SC) - 202-224-5972

Sen. John Cornyn (R-TX) - 202-224-2934

Sen. Sam Brownback (R-KS) - 202-224-6521

Sen. Thomas A. Coburn (R-OK) - 202-224-5754

Sen. Patrick J. Leahy (D-VT) - 202-224-4242

Sen. Edward M. Kennedy (D-MA) - 202-224-4543

Sen. Joseph R. Biden (D-DE) - 202-224-5042

Sen. Herbert H. Kohl (D-WI) - 202-224-5653

Sen. Dianne Feinstein (D-CA) - 202-224-3841

Sen. Russ Feingold (D-WI) - 202-224-5323

Sen. Charles E. Schumer (D-NY) - 202-224-6542

Sen. Richard J. Durbin (D-IL) - 202-224-2152

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written by Guest, May 01, 2006
Quote:


Teddy Roosevelt:


"In the first place we should insist that if the immigrant who comes here in good faith becomes an American and assimilates himself to us, he shall be treated on an exact equality with everyone else, for it is an outrage to discriminate against any such man because of creed, or birthplace, or origin. But this is predicated upon the man's becoming in very fact an American, and nothing but an American...There can be no divided allegiance here. Any man who says he is an American, but something else also, isn't an American at all. We have room for but one flag, the American flag, and this excludes the red flag, which symbolizes all wars against liberty and civilization, just as much as it excludes any foreign flag of a nation to which we are hostile...We have room for but one language here, and that is the English language...and we have room for but one sole loyalty and that is a loyalty to the American people."
Do you expect the american gov\'t. to
written by Guest, May 01, 2006
The only thing anyone other than american can expect from the US government is BULLITS!

That's why every other american outside the US is a walking target.

f**k the United States of Amoeba.
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written by Guest, May 01, 2006
"ordem e progresso"


LOL...what a joke!
Some people make it bad for everyone
written by Guest, May 01, 2006
It is a shame that people with good intent can not easily get into the US. It is so wrong there is no refund or credit of application and processing fees. In a perfect world we should be able to travel without papers or worry of denial of return to one’s home country. But this is not a perfect world. I know a Brazilian woman who has been in the US for about fifteen years. She has been a legal resident for at least six years. Holding duel residency she travels all over the world, taking holiday at least four months out of the year, every year for the last six years. She has told me she makes over $150,000 a year. She also told me because she’s a stripper she doesn’t claim that income, so she can also collect welfare. I say play the system all you want, but your hurting people you don’t even know.
Re: Do you expect the american gov\'t. t
written by Guest, May 01, 2006
"The only thing anyone other than american can expect from the US government is BULLITS!"

You spelled "bullets" wrong, but that was the least stupid thing to come out of your little rant so it's the only thing I adressed.

You: Derrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr!
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written by Guest, May 01, 2006
Imagine waking up to find your neighbor sitting on your couch, watching your TV, and calmly smoking a cigarette. He explains that since you have a nicer house than he does, as well as cable tv, he decided to enter through an unlocked window. As he puts his clothes in your closet and his decorations on your wall, the neighbor explains that he has a right to seek a better life and better things for himself. The fact that it's your house doesn't seem to bother him. When you call for help, the police explain that you must simply accept this new addition to your household. He's already moved in, and it would be too much trouble to make him leave. After all, he cleans up after himself and takes out the garbage. Oh, and don't lock that window -- it wouldn't be fair to your other neighbors to start doing so now.

This is the position in which we Americans find ourselves. We're frustrated and angry that those responsible for upholding our laws are ignoring them in a mad scramble for votes…

Enforce the law. Uphold the Constitution. This is what we pay taxes for. We have the right to a reasonable expectation that all will be treated equally before the law. When some people receive special treatment, when the laws are overturned or ignored to suit certain groups, we lose faith in our system and respect for the officials we elected to positions of power. In a time of such turmoil, with our country fighting terrorists and opposing rogue regimes around the globe, can our government really afford to throw away the confidence of its citizens to appease a mob of lawbreaking foreigners?

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written by Guest, May 01, 2006
"It is so wrong there is no refund or credit of application and processing fees."

In whatever beurocratic process in the world, whether it be by a gov't., a bank, or whatever. There are costs involved, and the party asking for "approval" is naturally responsible for those costs. If they don't agree with them, they are certainly free to simply not apply or apply elsewhere.

And if you don't want to look at it that way, just think of it as a small payment in the help of roughly 38 billion dollars per year illegals are costing U.S. taxpayers, which brazil is the second largest perpetrator.
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written by Guest, May 01, 2006
As the immigration debate rages in this country a lot of our leaders, from the President on down, have taken to using this statement: "We are a nation of immigrants."

That is absolutely right. Outside of the fraction of America's population who are descendants of native Americans, we are all the progeny of people who came here from other countries. When we talk about immigration issues we should remember that. America has always been a place where people from the rest of the world could come to find freedom and opportunity. I, for one, think that is something America should remain.

That being said, I think it is important for us to remember what an immigrant is and what an immigrant is not. Here is the definition of "immigrant" according to the American Heritage Dictionary:

im·mi·grant (ĭm'ĭ-grənt) n.
1. A person who leaves one country to settle permanently in another.


Got that? An immigrant is a person who leaves another country to settle permanently in another. An immigrant is not someone who moves to one country to work and then sends all of his/her wealth back home to the old country. Nor is an immigrant one who moves to a new country and then tries to make that new country like his/her old country.

I think it is wonderful that so many people from Mexico and other places in the world want to come and live/work in America. What a testament to our freedom and our way of life. That being said, I think the people who come here to live/work should become Americans, and the only way they can do that is by working through our legal immigration system. I'm even in favor of making that legal immigration system easier to get through through. Heck, I'm in favor of expanding it so that more legal immigrants can get through. But what I will never, ever be in favor of is granting amnesty to people who don't have enough respect for our rule of law to move to his country legally. These people are not immigrants, they are criminals who are looking to take advantage of this country's good nature.

They should be sent back. They aren't interested in being Americans, they're interested in bending this country's prosperity to their will.

Some people make it bad for everyone
written by Guest, May 01, 2006
Exactly what I was writing about. Not that I particularly like the way the US government handles things. Note the reference to someone who has both a US and Brazilian passport, travels to and from several times a year, has a high paying job (though she says she hates it), and is also collecting US welfare. Not to mention she has a college degree from NYU. Hay I have a heart, but I find it difficult to feel sympathy for people like this.
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written by Guest, May 01, 2006
It is a shame that people with good intent can not easily get into the US. It is so wrong there is no refund or credit of application and processing fees.

BRAZIL DOES NOT RETURN THE MONEY EITHER FOR f**k SAKE!! If I read that one more time I'm gonna f**king puke!

"United States citizens will be charged a non-refundable processing fee of US$ 100.00 per visa, in reciprocity to an identical fee paid by Brazilian citizens who apply for a Visa to the United States"

Secondly as regards the Mexican question. Does anyone recall those images of Mexicans LIVING in America jumping for joy on 9/11 after hearing how many Americans had died?? Does anyone remember the soccer matches in Mexico where the entire crowd was chanting "Long Live Bin-Laden" in unison? f**k Mexico and the 8-10 families who control all that country's wealth which in turn forces the desperately poor to travel to America for employment. Sound familiar BRAZIL??

TO those of you who hate America so much or want to boycott American goods - GO FOR IT!!! While you're at it don't bother "visiting" anymore either. Nobody is going to miss another Brazilian in America - TRUST ME!! Yes everybody knows that America is Nazi Germany, George Bush is Hitler and all Americans are witless, fat, linguistically challenged idiots unlike the sophisiticates of Brazil and Mexico . . . Yes we are all these things so why for the love of god are so many of you complaining about being denied the ignominious right of going to such a hideous, cruel country populated with buffoons who kill iraqi babies!!

While you're at it stop using anything invented by Americans in protest. Why stop at what the US produces currently? Protest the whole f**king system. Don't use computers, televisions, fiber-optic cable, the light bulb, your radio, your car and depending what you believe, airplanes . . . Yes boycott everything. Gonna be pretty tough typing in the dark . . Oh but you would have to boycott your computer as well. Grow the f**k up!
Re: Some people make it bad for everyone
written by Guest, May 01, 2006
...has a high paying job (though she says she hates it), and is also collecting US welfare..

And how exactly is she mnaging to get on welfare with a high paying job?

Brazilian "jeitinho? Please, explain to us.

smilies/smiley.gif
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written by Guest, May 01, 2006
because she's a stripper....he makes 150,000 one dollar bills....LOL. Unreported!
Some people make it bad for everyone
written by Guest, May 01, 2006
Yes, Brasil does have a non returnable fee also. But it’s very essay for us US citizens to get a visa for entry into Brasil and many other countries. And all fees from all countries should be refunded in part (I do understand this is a source of revenue for the issuing country) if access is not granted. Poster #13:10:38 you seem very angry for some reason. Did you just find out 9/11 was an inside job? It was! And your government is not finished feeding you there line of bulls**t! But that’s beside the point. You seriously need to grow-up. If not you might just get stomped by a born and raised third generation US citizen.
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written by Guest, May 01, 2006
Another conspiracy theorist huh? LOL.

A little off the topic wouldn't you say?

And I believe the poster that appears to be angry is because the way that 12-20 million illegals are s**tting all over the U.S., our citizens, our system, and ILLEGALS DEMANDING rights of U.S. citizens!! They are NOT citizens and are NOT afforded the rights of a citizen naturally! It's like this in EVERY country in the world, but millions think they can circumvent the system in America, break the laws, and then DEMAND rights? Not to mention holding their little protests while burning and desecrating the american flag??!! That's certainly not going to get them very far I can tell you that. And this very type of attitude and behavior is exactly one big reason why the majority of AMERICANS have just plain had enough!
Off topic, yes
written by Guest, May 01, 2006
When the Indians of the Americas crossed the Baring Strait twenty- to-thirty thousand years ago there was no one here yet. They respected the land and the creatures living here already. Meaning they did not take more than they needed. When the Europeans came, they raped the Indian women and nearly if not did wipe out a lot of animals, land, and Indian men. They where the “illegal immigrants” who came here fleeing their religious oppressors and marking their stake of Corporation America. They also brought over the black man from Africa as slaves, when the Indians fought back they where just killed off. This happened all over the Americas! A bit off topic, yes, but I see some people need a history lesson. Call me a Conspiracy Theorist, at least I know what really happened!
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written by Guest, May 01, 2006
praytell, lol. I've seen all the conspiracy theorists documentaries as well bud. What to hell does that have to do with brazilians getting turned down for visa's!!??

They DON'T LEAVE!!! Thats the problem. Masses go there under FALSE PRETENSES!

And let's try to stay on point and not start going back milleniums trying to prove a point why brazilians are denied visas, lol. They abuse the system, plain and simple, right along with the mexicans. If they're not welcome anymore they have no one to blame except themselves.

Now go break the law in a foreign country, demonstrate in mass, and burn the host countrys flag and tell them they're not giving you your "rights"?

Why should the U.S. or ANY country have to put up with s**t from MILLIONS upon MILLIONS of illegals from other countries that are "demanding" rights(?) of a citizen and burning that countries flag and changing their national anthems....please, justify that!
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written by Guest, May 01, 2006
"Did you just find out 9/11 was an inside job? It was!"

Ughh, another dumbass who sees a video on the internet and is so eager to be a cool underground conspiracy theorist; it's such a difficult bandwagon to jump on these days with the boiling over of hatred for Bush. What a cool, plugged-in conspiracy theorist you are after watching one amateur documentary on the internet or even worse, simply hearing from a friend that "the 9/11 as he public knows it is not real".

"and nearly if not did wipe out a lot of animals, land, "

and lo- we have another overly political correct idiot who doesn't realize if he or she studied a little bit than trying to always be p.c. he or she would realize that many of the animals would have died off anyways. It's a little thing called Darwinism. And the earth has been through a lot worse than what human kind has put it through thus far. If you knew something about science you'd know that. The earth heals itself, and humans are doing litttle damage to it compared to meteors and ice ages. But I guess you're more interested in the politcally correct bulls**t that gets spoon fed to you by Hollywood and corporate media. Yeah, its fun to be cool like Angelina Jolie, isn't it?
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written by Guest, May 01, 2006
"When the Indians of the Americas crossed the Baring Strait twenty- to-thirty thousand years ago there was no one here yet. They respected the land and the creatures living here already. Meaning they did not take more than they needed. When the Europeans came, they raped the Indian women and nearly if not did wipe out a lot of animals, land, and Indian men. They where the “illegal immigrants” who came here fleeing their religious oppressors and marking their stake of Corporation America. They also brought over the black man from Africa as slaves, when the Indians fought back they where just killed off. This happened all over the Americas! A bit off topic, yes, but I see some people need a history lesson. Call me a Conspiracy Theorist, at least I know what really happened!"

First of all it's the BERING Strait named after the Russian explorer Vitus Bering who first crossed in 1728. the "Baring" Strait would imply that people were exposing their naked bodies. In the strictest sense this may have been true but you are not that clever and certainly did not intend this meaning.

Second, depending on whom you believe, man either crossed over approximately 12,000 years ago (Clovis culture - the most widely accepted theory) or crossed over to America more than 50,000 years ago (a much disputed theory) when the Wisconsin glaciation period began exposing a land bridge (or forming an ice bridge - both are debated) into Alaska during the last phase of the Pleistocene. Anything falling between those dates is considered outside the scope of what most anthropologists and archaelogists consider accurate. 12,000 yrs ago is the standard accepted by 95% of all anthropologists however. SO thanks for telling all us idiots "what really happened"!

Interesting how all this relates to US tourist visas? There are more amateur websites where you can go display your elementary mastery of anthropology you know . . . So before you go giving us any more history lessons, get the facts "strait" yourself.
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written by Guest, May 02, 2006
"Funny", no "SAD" how the internet makes monsters out of otherwise good and intelligent people. I include myself in this statement.

Alex
If f**k the USA as you say....
written by Guest, May 02, 2006
so why millions of f**king Brazilians want to enter, work, live in a f**king country ?????

Why dont you stay at home or go and visit other so nice countries.
Angola, Cape Verde, Portugal, Bolivia your brothers to whom you wont even agree to pay the fair price for their natural gas, or Venezuela....just to name a few.
Why do you all wish to invade only the USA or the EU ? Why not China, Russia, India, Thailand, Australia, all members of the G-20 that Brazil is leading ?

Curious ! Isnt it ?

The true answer is clear. Not only you have no desire to go there for only a "visit" but even less for a long long stay.

You lie OPENLY of your reason to "visit" the USA or the EU !
If Brazil is so beautiful and so developing as you say.....STAY THERE !
Re:First of all it\'s the BERING Strait
written by Guest, May 02, 2006
"Interesting how all this relates to US tourist visas? There are more amateur websites where you can go display your elementary mastery of anthropology..."

Hmm... And you evaded the point that the person wanted to make by discussing yet more elementary aspects of anthropology.

Anyone can get that type of information from the Internet, including you. So what really makes you much smatter? Well, only if you can elaborate your ideas here with clear logic and mastery. Can you do that without engaging in ghetto language?

And you continue to correct people spelling in order to avoid to provide some real and intelligent answer. No, you do not look “cool”, no sir/lady.

I guess you are destitute of the capability to converse with anyone here respectfully.

You crossed the strait of Bering a long time ago from Siberia to America. Evolve!

Everyone will know what I am talking about; just observe. Stay tuned!

I will now continue flipping the burgers.




Furthermore....
written by Guest, May 02, 2006
you could also visit all the Middle East countries, the Arabs your new friends, all countries in Africa, a whole continent worth discovering.

It is not a lack of choices that is missing !

And why do you constantly disagree and s**t on the USA and the EU economic models, but it is only there that you want to do your new live ? Strange isnt it ?
WHERE IS REALLY THE REAL s**t ?
In your own country that you want to leave or in the country that you wish you could live ?
Strange isnt it ?

And if you were friendlier to the USA proposal in the FTA, eventually it will be a gesture from you, that eventually more brazilians could "visit" the USA.

Brazilians want thing but never ever offer reciprocity.

The word FAIR is not even in your society.
The word RECIPROCITY is not even in your dictionary and way of thinking and living.
Just look at your corruptions to the roots, never ending bureaucracy, import taxes of 100 % for industrial goods simply because you have nmo desire to import anything but want to produce everything for export....even your citizens. Brazil now wants to export their human flesh after exporting the cattle meats.
Human flesh brings in more $ than cattle and agricultral or industrial products !

Whoaaaa, anyone can see your trust in the future of your own country !
There is no future !
Boom and bust economy you will remain, world worst
wealth inequality will remian too, non social inclusion will remain also.
This is in the Brazilian genes.
You have animosity with every Mercosul partner, animosity with the USA, animosity with the EU.
and when things turn sour you lick the ass of the EU and the USA
for help and new lending ! just to s**t again on these lenders when you are finally able to repay some of the loans, ONLY SOME !

It seems to me that the USA should not put fences in their borders but in Panama.
This would make a clear difference between LATAM and S.A.
Here is a typical Brazilian way...
written by Guest, May 02, 2006
...of thinking in everything they deal with, be it industrial goods, or agriculture with other countries OR VISAS, a true and actual story :
The outrageous feelings of entitlement held by some of ourresidents here in Framingham never cease to astound me. I’m referring to the Arcade Project and the attitude of the Brazilians who rent space from Michael Perry.

How can these people have the audacity to demand that the town of Framingham help them relocate their homes and businesses? This is a privately owned building undergoing a privately funded project, which has been in the planning stages for several years. While American citizens and legal immigrants have dealt with rent increases, mortgage interest rate hikes and loss of tenancies by landlords, these people haven’t had a rent increase in nine years courtesy of an extremely generous landlord.

But this isn’t enough for them. In their eyes this is an attack on the Brazilian community and someone must bear responsibility for their misfortune. Perhaps if they were truly interested in integrating within Framingham, they’d pay more attention to what’s happening in this town beyond their own community.This has been a very public project from the beginning and these tenants should have been making alternate plans long before now, rather than demanding another free ride.

While I do sympathize with Mr. Oliveira and his illnesses, they aren’t the responsibility of the town, they’re his. And for those Brazilians complaining about having to "just pack their stuff and leave," isn’t that what they did when they came here? They’re more than welcome to head right back to Brazil.

An article that appeared today !



To the Porter above
written by Guest, May 02, 2006
You are wasting your time here in this site.

If a Brazilian can read English s/he is educated enough to understand the Brazilian problems. I suggest you to learn Portuguese and go to the streets of Brazil telling exactly the same. There you would be far more useful, maybe killed or arrested or whatever.

Or write a good book about it and publish it in Portuguese, which is also another suggestion. Then wait to be invited to the Jo Soares show and from there you tell to the entire nation what they should do to change the country.

I believe that you have the formula, you are the man.

re: here is a typical brazilian way
written by Guest, May 02, 2006
it's been that way for a long time.

The new identification process to enter the U.S. after 9-11, that EVERY country in the world understood with the exception of Brazil. There were many countries that did not like it, but they understood why it was being done. To protect the people inside the United States, and that includes brazilians!! Legal or not! But brazil took this personally, as if we singled them out.

Any human from any country in the world only needs to ask themselves a few questions, and answer them honestly.

1.) How would you feel if you had 12-20 million illegals living in your country?

2.) These illegals were costing you, a taxpaying citizen, and your taxpaying brethren approximately 40 BILLION dollars per year.

3.)Social services such as health care and education and even receiving cash from the U.S. gov't. were being afforded to these illegals. The level of education being received by your children, whom are legal citizens naturally, is being dramatically affected and the standard being lowered since hundreds of thousands of these children with parents whom are illegal are having to spend the entire day learning the language of the country in which they were born or reside.

4.) When stricter guidelines are put in place for those countries that are the largest perpetrators of this crime they complain, as if it's "unfair".

5.)The illegals, people that do not even have the legal right to be in your country, protest in the streets by the hundreds of thousands, DEMANDING their "rights", burning american flags, carrying flags from their own countries, and changing your national anthem.

6.) Because many of these illegals are willing to except lower than minimum wage, or the market price for certain services provided, hundreds of thousands of legal citizens find themselves without work, or themselves having to work for less than what they normally would.

7.) The two countries whom have the largest populations of illegals are sending remittances back to their "home" country to the tune of 50 BILLION dollars per year.


It's ridiculous. There is NO justification for these people. One can attempt and justify it however they want. But I can tell you this, the U.S. certainly doesn't NEED illegals, that's a ridiculous statement in itself. These people, whether they've swam across the Rio Grande at 3 am or they've lied during the internview process at the U.S. consulate in their home countries about their intentions of only "visiting", they know they're wrong, they know they've broken the law, it's plain and simple.

Yesterday, and demonstrations that take place as such, are the best thing that could've happened, it's outraging americans, those that live there LEGALLY. Something will and is being done about this situation. So if anyone thinks its bad getting a visa to the U.S. today, wait another year from now....it's not going to get any easier!
Americans are the ...
written by Guest, May 02, 2006
PROOF thar Indians did f**k Buffalos!

keol
...
written by Guest, May 02, 2006
it must kill guys like you keol knowing just how many of your own people will do nearly anything, marry people they don't love, paying thousands and thousands of dollars, break the law, anything to leave brazil and go to the U.S.!
Inconsequential Americans...
written by Guest, May 02, 2006
If I ever need your opinions, I will then rattle your respective cages...f**k Bush

keolie
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written by Guest, May 02, 2006
Hey Keol it's been awhile . . Where you been? Just got on the c**ktail and feeling good enough to join us again? Good for you!
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written by Guest, May 02, 2006
"Hmm... And you evaded the point that the person wanted to make by discussing yet more elementary aspects of anthropology."

Well one should not address arguments based on inaccuracies as if they are accurate! I corrected his errors and gave him more accurate information. You may base your arguments on fallacies but I do not. His statement reflected on the extinction of animals and the amazing "wiping out of land". Land may deteriorate but as far as I know it was not "wiped out". Some animals went extinct before man set foot in North America as well.

"Anyone can get that type of information from the Internet, including you. So what really makes you much smatter?"

If anyone can get that information from the Internet then why was his inaccurate? I guess that does make me "smatter" because I actually have the facts or bothered to get them. By the way was that your attempt to “type” a New Jersey accent or is your English still that poor? I mean after all for a guy who knows people in NASA, The Federal Reserve, Surgeons from major hospitals as well as big-time entrepreneurs who hire lowly Americans, it sure seems pretty weak. Not that it matters to you but I knew all that information from memory but if it's available for all to access then there is no excuse to post inaccuracies now is there?

Glad to see that you’re holding down that job flipping burgers!! You may keep that visa after all.
To Koel
written by Guest, May 03, 2006
DO you have any other joke besides the one about "proof of indians f**king buffoloes." Are you f**king autistic or obsessive compulsive or something and that is all you can say "ah Indians f**king buffaloes ah, ah!" because that is all you have posted on this site for over a year now.
Re:Not that it matters to you but I knew
written by Guest, May 03, 2006
You smatter English

I am truly disappointed at you.

I will continue to flip my burgers at “Burger King" since they have strange behavior, they just half spin. smilies/smiley.gif

Continue to read books and learn. Evolve! Don't forget to respect others, it is part of a strong mind and you, as a superior being, should know better.

By the way, I had that visa long time secured. smilies/smiley.gif


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written by Guest, May 03, 2006
How can you be disapointed at someone?
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written by Guest, May 03, 2006
"Continue to read books and learn. Evolve! Don't forget to respect others, it is part of a strong mind and you, as a superior being, should know better."

YAWN!! Got any new material? Evolve, Read - yada yada yada - ok got it chief.
zzzzzzzzzzzzz.
Globalization
written by Guest, May 03, 2006
globalization is a bitch hem ?
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written by Guest, May 03, 2006
"By the way, I had that visa long time secured. smilies/smiley.gif "

You're one of the lucky ones huh?
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written by Guest, May 03, 2006
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"To Koel
Written by Guest on 2006-05-02 19:25:50
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DO you have any other joke besides the one about "proof of indians f**king buffoloes." Are you f**king autistic or obsessive compulsive"

Damn... I know you don't speak English....How about dylexic?

hehehe....f**k you 2

keolie
dyslexic...that is!
written by Guest, May 03, 2006
dyslexic...that is!
written by Guest, May 03, 2006
Ohhh...I forgot...
written by Guest, May 03, 2006
f**k Butcher Bush and his clonies...
Off topic, but who cares at this point.
written by Guest, May 03, 2006
Typo, sorry. The earliest man crossed the Bering Land Bridge was approximately 50,000 years ago. They for the most part never ventured south of what is now Northern Alaska and North Western Canada. These early settlers died off before another influx of settlers crossed and started to migrate further south and east. This was the crossing that occurred 20,-to-30,000 years ago. These people started to migrate even further south. The third wave of man crossed 17,000 years ago and between 5, and 9,000 years later you have man even further east and in the South Americas as well. As for the Europeans wiping out land. Take a look at our treeless forest, goldmine fields, and mineral quarries. Is that natural? These people took with no regard for the land. Many animals were nearly killed off for no reason other than greed. Meanwhile they bought us nothing but rats and disease. Sure the earth evolves (Darwinism). But this often takes thousands if not hundreds of thousands of years. To the extent of the destruction of the Americas it would seem millions. It was all done in less than five hundred years.

Who’s Angelina Jolie? Is she one of those people with lots of money? Is it too politically correct to say the earth is way over populated and people should just take a brake from breeding? Humans f**ked everything up!
Get back to the point
written by Guest, May 03, 2006
Just to clarify:
#1) NonImmigrant Visas Issued in 2004 to enter US:
Mexico 4,454,061.00
Brazil 534,163.00
5% of Brazilians stay Illegally, that's 26,708.
Brazilians are not the Illegal Immigration problem
#2
Brazil DOES refund the $100Application fee if your Visa is denied.
NonRefundable in this case means if you have already received your Visa and you cancel your trip, they will not refund the fee

2005 the US denied 1.4 Million Visas WW. You do the math. .

Finally:. If you hate Brazil so much why do you frequent a site to talk about Brazil? Are your friends at the Arian Brotherhood site busy?
RE:Get back to the point
written by Guest, May 03, 2006
Excellent point! If these guys hate so much Brazil, what are they doing here?

Let's propose some possible answer here:

1) They were married to Brazilians but then they got divorced now they are taking their frustration on us here

2) They had investment in Brazil and lost (capitalism has its risks) now they hate us for that. Hatred is even stronger than greed.

3) They work for an American Government agency that hires people to access the Internet and sites like this one for bashing other countries and so we have here the “Brazil squad”. The intention is to demoralize other countries; especially targeting the socialists, communist or any other political group they think could hurt American interests.

4) They actually are addicted to Brazil and cannot not shake the habit (even when they hate Brazil, it is like cigarette addiction).

5) They belong to a hatred group; racism and intolerance are their dogma

An American...
written by Guest, May 03, 2006
An egotist person of low taste - more interested in himself than in anyone else. The BIG egos are big shields for lots of empty space.

Always,

keol
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written by Guest, May 03, 2006
"3) They work for an American Government agency that hires people to access the Internet and sites like this one for bashing other countries and so we have here the “Brazil squad”. The intention is to demoralize other countries; especially targeting the socialists, communist or any other political group they think could hurt American interests."

Why do people always assume that it's all Americans that post negative (or realistic, as I would to call them) comments on this site?
I guess it's just a sign of Brazilians' undying, jealous obsession and fascination with the USA.
RE:Get back to the point
written by Guest, May 03, 2006
"Brazil DOES refund the $100Application "

Nice! That seems logical.
I like Brazil, I like Brazilian people too.
Still, Humans f**ked everything up!

Re:Why do people always assume that it\'
written by Guest, May 03, 2006
Because most people that visit us here claim to be Americans.

I know there is a Swiss in this site also but most of the “Brazil bashers” claim to be Americans or at least give us a hint of Americanized mind.

Do we have identity problems here?




Umm...
written by Guest, May 03, 2006
If anyone wants any more s**t from me they can just squeeze my head!

Always,

Keol
Question
written by Guest, May 03, 2006
Is it difficult to get a girl into the US with a Fiance Visa from Brazil ? I am a US citizen by the way.
Re: Question
written by Guest, May 03, 2006
Yes. It is difficult. It usually takes 4-6 months to get the papers processed. You must show evidence of your ongoing relationship. You must get married within 3 months of her entering the US or she must go back. If this happens she can NEVER enter the US again on a Fiance Visa. You also must take full financial responsibility for her.
It can be done but it is a complicated process. This site will provide more answers.
http://www.uscis.gov/graphics/howdoi/fiance.htm
Good Luck!
thanx for the info
written by Guest, May 03, 2006
Just one more question..........about how much should I expect to pay for this endeavor.
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written by Guest, May 03, 2006
Typo, sorry. The earliest man crossed the Bering Land Bridge was approximately 50,000 years ago. They for the most part never ventured south of what is now Northern Alaska and North Western Canada. These early settlers died off before another influx of settlers crossed and started to migrate further south and east. This was the crossing that occurred 20,-to-30,000 years ago. These people started to migrate even further south. The third wave of man crossed 17,000 years ago and between 5, and 9,000 years later you have man even further east and in the South Americas as well. As for the Europeans wiping out land. Take a look at our treeless forest, goldmine fields, and mineral quarries.

Sources for this? 17,000 years ago was the "latest wave" - hardly! Furthermore the US and Canada have more trees now then they did several hundred years ago. Just FYI.

BTW, if there aren't any trees I no longer think it's a forest.

Brazil does not refund the $100 either. Says so right on the website.
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written by Guest, May 03, 2006
quote:

"5% of Brazilians stay Illegally, that's 26,708.
Brazilians are not the Illegal Immigration problem
#2 "

LOL...brazilians have the SECOND LARGEST POPULATION OF ILLEGALS IN THE UNITED STATES.....FACT!!!!!!


WHAT HAPPENED TO THE OTHER 973,292??? GUESS THOSE ARE THE ONES THAT ARRIVED VIA GOVERNADOR VALADARES???
miracle
written by Guest, May 03, 2006
koel actually made a joke at his own expense! If he wasn't such a racist (against americans) piece of s**t I might start to like him. And yes if people from latin america can cry racism as a grouip even though it is not a race then so can americans.
Americans...
written by Guest, May 04, 2006
Fight global warming: shut your mouths!

Americans are as charming as a dead mouse in a loaf of bread.

Short Live the Chimp (GW Bush)

keol

Guest
written by Guest, May 04, 2006
So in the EU it takes four days to get a tourist visa to go to Brazil. Nothing but a high school education - no problem. Not working - no problem.
Got a sponsor from the EU to ensure your holiday from Brazil to the EU is covered? Got alot of family in Brazil you wouldn't leave in a million years? No education - problem. No job - problem. No house - problem.
Even if there aren't problems, you're 140 days away from perhaps having the time of your life - oops, sorry, summer is gone, try again next year.
Spose there's just too darn many honest to the core Brazilians like our friend to warrant processing thier requests in a timely fashion. Forget it - we'll all just meet in Canada.
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written by Guest, May 04, 2006
"Forget it - we'll all just meet in Canada."

Doubt it. Canada isn't exactly welcoming Brazilians with open arms anymore . . . Neither is Britain for that matter.
Don’t confuse me with facts and truth
written by Guest, May 05, 2006
In the name of feared terrorist threat is giving the US and other countries a new excuse for denying entry. This is a bogus excuse. And those of you who think the governments are really worried about alleged illegal immigration. Keep eating the lies they feed you. They just want to keep you fat and bloated so you won’t feel a thing as they ass f**k you. This goes double for the US and Swiss trolls. To the Brazilians who bash the US, you have the right to speak your mind, I just thought you were a loving people. To the bickering anthropologists, in another fifty years you both will be proven wrong again.

Mother earth raped again. Hay, she was asking for it. She was wearing a tight thong.
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written by Guest, May 05, 2006
quote:

"In the name of feared terrorist threat is giving the US and other countries a new excuse for denying entry. This is a bogus excuse. And those of you who think the governments are really worried about alleged illegal immigration. Keep eating the lies they feed you."

Wow, the ignorance never ceases to amaze me. Do some research clown, the tri-border area in brazil, argentina, and paraguay is a well-known area for black market trading, money laundering, drugs, and also a known area for operations by hamas and hezbollah. This has been confirmed by all three of those countries. Brazil, as well as paraguay and argentina accept millions of dollars from the U.S. in the "fighting" of these activities there. Brazil just two month ago agreed to allow american agents of the dept. of Homeland Security to work in conjunction with them in this very region, the agents have already arrived.

And, "alleged" illegal immigration?? LOL! What to hell is "alleged" about it?? Do you think this is "hype"? Those 1.1 million that were protesting out in the streets of LA, Chicago, Houston, Homestead Fla, Boston just this past monday, what was that? A CIA hoax?? LOL.

And you have to love this comment.

quote:

"to the brazilians who bash the US, you have the right to speak your mind, I just thought you were a loving people."

WHAT??? You're going to characterize 180 million people into ONE word huh??? And "loving"???? Jesus, the stupidy of some of the people here, just makes one shake his head, and confirms something my ex-boss, one of the most intelligent persons I've ever know, always used to say, "ya know, there are a lot of stupid people in the world."!
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written by Guest, May 05, 2006
Oh you’re so full of fear it’s not even funny anymore. CIA hoax no. But I’m not afraid of my neighbors. I’m also not afraid of the CIA trained solders of hamas and hezbollah or the leader of al qaeda. Am I also to be afraid of the drug lords? Who do you think launders their money? American banks operating in these countries. Fear grows in your mind like a tumor. Get that taken care of or you’ll be looking over your shoulder for the rest of your life. You question my research. This is what I see daily from the inside. I travel all over the world. When you travel the paths the tourist dare not go you start to see what’s really going down.
I may have to acknowledge some peoples existence. But I don’t have to respect them. And I’m sure as hell not going to fear them.
What’s so wrong about thinking of a people as loving?
I have to wonder. Does your pickup have a gun rack?
They tell you all the answers. You fail to question their authority.
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written by Guest, May 05, 2006
Tourist? I've been living in brazil for 8 years "world-traveler". Hezbollah in that very tri-border area is blamed for the '92 bombing of the Israeli embassy in Buenos Aires, and another bombing to an Israeli gov't. buiding there as well in '96.

No one was talking about you, or anyone, fearing anybody. Try to stay on topic. The comments that were made are that this very factor, terrorism and a terrorist known organization that exists on the border of brazil, the ease of falsification of documentation here in brazil, brazil is actually a world-leader in this area, AND 1 million illegals, ALL together make it VERY easy to understand the U.S. gov'ts. decision to put strict guidelines into effect for brazilians.

As far as why one shouldn't characterize an entire country, especially one with 180 million people, is quite obvious.

In being one of the most dangerous countries not at "war", or supposedly not at war on the planet, last year there were 50,000+ murders here, by these wonderful people that you have so eloquently blanketedly described as "loving"......for the love of god.

As far as questioning your research, I've never commented to you before in this thread, I've made one or two posts, but they weren't in response to anyone....but just had to put in my 2 cents on the previous one......your statements are truly ignorant.
Ajoke these S.A. complaints !
written by Guest, May 06, 2006
WHY DO YOU EXACTLY THE SAME WITH YOUR S.A.BROTHERS ????

Here is a proof :
Thousands of immigrants marched through the streets, waving flags and chanting slogans demanding more rights for undocumented foreigners. “We are just workers,” they yelled.
This wasn't Los Angeles, Chicago or Atlanta. It was Buenos Aires, home to hundreds of thousands of Bolivians, many of them undocumented, who slipped across the border from South America's poorest country to find work in a richer country next door.

STRANGE ! Iisnt it ?????????????????????????????????????????????????????






Who the f**k is the loser ...?
written by Guest, May 06, 2006
"In the name of feared terrorist threat is giving the US and other countries a new excuse for denying entry. This is a bogus excuse. And those of you who think the governments are really worried about alleged illegal immigration. Keep eating the lies they feed you. They just want to keep you fat and bloated so you won’t feel a thing as they ass f**k you. This goes double for the US and Swiss trolls. To the Brazilians who bash the US, you have the right to speak your mind, I just thought you were a loving people. To the bickering anthropologists, in another fifty years you both will be proven wrong again.

Mother earth raped again. Hay, she was asking for it. She was wearing a tight thong."

Wow this really had an impact on me. Were you guys all choked up when you read that? I mean f**k me that was some powerful stuff guy!! I feel like I need to salute you or something. When can I catch your syndicated talk show called: "Progressive Regurgitation Hour"? Thanks Mr. I try to digest the most complex parts of the progressive movement but could only s**t this out my mouth . . Back to Alternet.org so you can rehash some more tired liberal rants for us. Bravo!!
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written by Guest, May 06, 2006
Mother earth raped again. Hay, she was asking for it. She was wearing a tight thong."

You have to love that line in particular. "HAY"? Are you f**king kidding me? How old are you? Don't you learn it's "HEY" after like the 2nd grade? Oh and I love the "tight thong" remark. As opposed to what dips**t? - a loose fitting thong? What a moron. Back to you s**t-for-brains . .
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written by Guest, May 06, 2006
"Oh you’re so full of fear it’s not even funny anymore. CIA hoax no. But I’m not afraid of my neighbors. I’m also not afraid of the CIA trained solders of hamas and hezbollah or the leader of al qaeda. Am I also to be afraid of the drug lords? Who do you think launders their money? American banks operating in these countries. Fear grows in your mind like a tumor. Get that taken care of or you’ll be looking over your shoulder for the rest of your life. You question my research. This is what I see daily from the inside. I travel all over the world. When you travel the paths the tourist dare not go you start to see what’s really going down.
I may have to acknowledge some peoples existence. But I don’t have to respect them. And I’m sure as hell not going to fear them.
What’s so wrong about thinking of a people as loving?
I have to wonder. Does your pickup have a gun rack?
They tell you all the answers. You fail to question their authority."

(sigh), Another ignorant dumbass who watches "Bowling for Columbine" and suddenly thinks he has a grip on American culture. That film should be illegal for foreigners who know nothing about the USA and are just foaming at the mouth for an excuse to laugh at the country. Take this idiot for example: you can tell the entire premise of his "argument" is ripped off from the film, and it becomes even more obvious when he is asked about actually doing some research and just says some stupid s**t like, "der, I have travelled the world."
LOL!
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written by Guest, May 06, 2006
Michael moore is a propogandist on the same level as bush but just on the other side. Both of them bend the truth to fit what they want people to see.
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written by Guest, May 06, 2006
"Michael moore is a propogandist on the same level as bush but just on the other side. Both of them bend the truth to fit what they want people to see."

Really?! You're so smart!

BTW- Bush doesn't bend s**t; his administration bends it for him. (Ever heard of Karl Rove? If not, I suggest you never open your mouth about the USA again dumbass!)
US Tourist Visas
written by Guest, May 06, 2006
Hi,

The incident described in this article is quite common. And is in no way unique to Brazil, is the same thing in most of the Third World. As it was mentioned by some it's due to the fact that the documents that you pressent to the consul to support your case could be "doctored" in some way. That's why the consul performing the interview, doesn't give this documments much importance. I don't think that the consulate is simply a money making business, cause back in the 80s visas used to be given for FREE while other countries where chanrgin for them.

As a general rule if you have relatives living in the US like parents, brothers or sons you'll be considered as having an intent to inmigrate.

the same goes if you don't have a good income or if you have to much and have never been to the US, because they think that your documents are fake.

At the end they are just trying to proctect their local laws. Just as the Brazilians do to the Peruvians and Bolivians.

About illegal inmigration i would say that it hurts the common US citizents that swet their asses at a Fast Food restaurant for a minimum wage but at thew same time helps all the business es that need low paying workers that can be exploited. That's why the politicians don't do anythig to increase legal inmigration or stop illegal inmigration at the border where the problem it's bigger.
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written by Guest, May 07, 2006
Yea I've never heard of karl Rove. Just because bush has people underneath him doesn't mean he is not a propogandist also. Let me get this straight you are saying that everything out of bushes mouth is the truth? Michael moore has people underneath him such as a publicist just like Karl Rove who also bends the truth, does that mean Michael moore cannot be a propagandist? I'm confused on your logic but I guess I'm not smart enough to understand you. Yea I'm never going to open my mouth about the USA again after all I don't deserve to since my ancestors only signed the declaration of independence. You are right, you are a genius after one sentence you can tell I am an idiot.
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written by Guest, May 07, 2006
"Yea I'm never going to open my mouth about the USA again after all I don't deserve to since my ancestors only signed the declaration of independence. "

What??? LOL!!!
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written by Guest, May 07, 2006
quote:

"Yea I've never heard of karl Rove."

Well, you really shouldn't be commenting on the U.S. and its politics, if you've never heard of Karl Rove!
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written by Guest, May 07, 2006
"Well, you really shouldn't be commenting on the U.S. and its politics, if you've never heard of Karl Rove!"

My sentiments exactly.

"Let me get this straight you are saying that everything out of bushes mouth is the truth? "

And where did I even come close to implying that in my post, oh offspring of John Hanc**k?

"Yea"

Yay?


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written by Guest, May 07, 2006
Are you kidding me you can't f**king tell I was being sarcastic. Of course I had heard of Karl Rove. Jesus you are amazingly smart. Have you ever heard of sarcasm. If not don't comment about the USA ever again. (Sarcasm again, genius) I still can't get over how smart you must be to not have detected the sarcasm in my last post about Karl Rove. You are extremly intelligent and obviously very witty.
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written by Guest, May 07, 2006
"Are you kidding me you can't f**king tell I was being sarcastic. Of course I had heard of Karl Rove. Jesus you are amazingly smart. Have you ever heard of sarcasm. If not don't comment about the USA ever again. (Sarcasm again, genius) I still can't get over how smart you must be to not have detected the sarcasm in my last post about Karl Rove. You are extremly intelligent and obviously very witty. "

Whoa, looks like I really touched a nerve with that "smart" comment earlier guy. I'm really sorry (what exactly is sarcasm again?) - I didn't know you were so sensitive. Don't worry, I know that you're a very sharp little guy (I've never heard of sarcasm) because you thought by my earlier comments that I was implying that Bush always tells the truth. Oh "yea", I must be saying that just because I don't like it when people dumb down the entire thread with stupid, broad statements about politics that make no sense.
Jason
written by Guest, May 08, 2006
I really enjoyed reading all of your comments. The fact is, the US consulate should do a better job at interviewing brazilians for tourist visas. My wife went through the experience of being denied a tourist visa. We were engaged at the time. I wanted her to meet my family in the US before we got married. Well, she was denied a visa. That was 6 years ago. We are now happily married with two beatuful children. She came to the US legally on a Fiance Visa. It took four years for the INS to issue a green card to her. Add insult to injury, they sent a letter "Welcoming" her to the US, This is pretty pathedic. Maybe the public servants should be focusing on doing a good job for their country and citizens, and not engaging in illegal acts with minors on the internet. Wasn't there a high up INS manager recently arrested for this?I think Brazilians should be discouraged from coming to the U.S. Also, if they are denied a visa, ok...give them a refund!
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written by Guest, May 11, 2006
Brazil has over 2 million immigrants in the US

from these two million an estimas of 1,2 millions are illegaly living here

not only that

in japan, over half of all the illegal immigrants living there are from Brazil, the other half from the rest of the world

and don't even go to places like spain, spain is full to capacity with brazilians

you have to understand, it's not possible to give visas to millions upon millions
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written by Guest, May 11, 2006
and with all these illegal brazilians world-wide...kind of definitive evidence of the conditions in this country....wouldn't you say?
That\'s Because So Many Men
written by Guest, May 13, 2006
American men pick up some whore on the Copa strip and want to bring her in on a finance visa. The INS is not stupid! They realize that too many American men travel to Brazil, find some shapely young half naked broad half their age and want to bring her back to the States.
INS officials in Rio are trained to spot stupid horny American suckers getting taking for a ride. That is why the visas are stamped DENIED.

Finance Visa!
written by Guest, May 13, 2006
I meant to say "fiance" visa in the previous post but i typed finance visa by mistake.But in reality that is what it is. The Copa whore is looking for a FINANCE visa out of Brazil hah hah hah!
Just a quick opinion here ...
written by Guest, May 15, 2006
I live in Orlando where pre 9/11/2001 we had more Brazilian tourists then you could shake a stick at. They always came around June which was great for us because this was when our local tourist season was slow. And the Brazilians that came tended to be young and full of cash, so they spent a lot of it on Mickey Mouse and friends. Some Brazilians were a bit disruptive but the city generally liked them because they spent money during the off-season.

Come 9/11 the United States government got all excited about visas and demanded Brazilians have them. I seem to recall that before 9/11/2001 Brazilians didn't require tourist visas to visit the United States, or if they did they were easy to get.

One thing is for certain: before 9/11/2001 there were flocks of Brazilian tourists in Disney (and Wal-Mart), these days you can't find any.

I also seem to recall that after the United States required tourist visas from Brazilians, then the Brazilian government required tourist visas for Americans to enter Brazil. So the end was that now both our governments get to waste money going over tourist visa applications. Your interview may only take five minutes, but you had plenty of people before then looking over and filing your papers.

I think the point of the tourist visas is that the United States wants to track every person coming over here to make sure they are not some sort of criminal. Viasas allow this but are a bit expensive. They also get in the way of a family of four Brazilians going to see Mickey Mouse, which for us in Orlando is our favorite type of tourist.

My understanding is that the State of Florida is rather annoyed about the tourist visa problem. At least our local representatives to the federal government are a bit annoyed and want to see far more international tourists. International tourists stay longer and spend more money then domestic ones, and it is in the best interests of the State of Florida to have more international tourists. Governor Bush (moreso then his brother President Bush) has also been pressing for easier access to tourist visas.

Unfortunately, the United States is just that - there are 49 other states besides Florida and not all of them want Brazilians to come over. Some clowns in Iowa actually want to make tourist visas more difficult to obtain. Still, I anticipate that these visas will gradually subside in the future as Brazilians have more money to spend when they visit. I know our state wants you to visit - hopefully the sooner the better ...

- tgregoryt
I think you have the chronology wrong.
written by Guest, May 15, 2006
Brazil has required that U.S. tourists have visas since at least 1993. I think that the reverse has been true at least that long too. The visas for Brazilians to visit the U.S. seem to have become harder to get, though.
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written by Guest, May 16, 2006
quote:

"Unfortunately, the United States is just that - there are 49 other states besides Florida and not all of them want Brazilians to come over. Some clowns in Iowa actually want to make tourist visas more difficult to obtain"

No s**t dickwad! Have you heard the news about 12 million illegal immigrants in the U.S.??

It's kind of a big topic at the moment. Brazilians have more than 1 million illegals in the U.S.

The problem is the U.S. gov't. grants them a TOURIST visa and they NEVER leave!!!!

They're like your f**king in-laws on thanksgiving!
We should get rid of them all!
written by Guest, May 16, 2006
Earthlings are the ass-clowns of the solar system. They are an embarrassment to everything. Even the uninhabited planets don’t want them around. You have been warned.
The process has begun
written by Guest, May 16, 2006
"(sigh), Another ignorant dumbass who watches "Bowling for Columbine" and suddenly thinks he has a grip on American culture. That film should be illegal for foreigners who know nothing about the USA and are just foaming at the mouth for an excuse to laugh at the country. Take this idiot for example: you can tell the entire premise of his "argument" is ripped off from the film, and it becomes even more obvious when he is asked about actually doing some research and just says some stupid s**t like, "der, I have travelled the world."
LOL! "


I have been living in what is now the USA for the past eight hundred years. Thousands of years have been spent observing the Earth Human species. Earth Humans have failed to evolve in every way possible. Yes, evolution is a forever ongoing process. Yes I wrote forever, it never ends even upon destruction, life is contradiction. But we have given Earth Humans more time than any other species to resolve their differences. It is my recommendation that this species be purged immediately. Prepare yourselves, there is no God. You have been warned.
Brazilians Hate America why would they
written by Guest, May 16, 2006
You guys Hate America so much, why do you want to come here? Stay in Brazil and make it the socialist utopian paradise you march in the streets for.
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written by Guest, May 16, 2006
quote:


"You guys Hate America so much, why do you want to come here? Stay in Brazil and make it the socialist utopian paradise you march in the streets for. "


Or burn buses for may be more appropriate.
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written by Guest, May 17, 2006
I am a brazilian in Brazil who don't feel like going to America again, I was a tourist. Maybe some of us hate america b/c we have no connection with it and it messes everything you rednecks in blue touch.also need to write what I think of you americans, and foreigners who insult what they don't have a clue which is some soul.Others brazilians go for a beter material life, which is all your country can provide, and others yet, poorer, go get some cash to return and have a better life in the country they feel good about
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written by Guest, May 17, 2006
well, please, if you can convince the ONE MILLION PLUS of brasileiros to leave the U.S.(80% illegally), I feel quite sure I can convince the 10-20 thousand americans (living legally by the way), in brazil to get the f**k out!
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written by Guest, May 17, 2006
don't you think you sound too self-rightous, Bob? you rednecks can be so insupportable. At least in Brazil, you can't OPEN your f**kING mouths. That's a good reason to make them come back quicker. You don't have a clue what is it to be a brave brazilian, with all the mess any f**king man/womam can do, braz can sing sambar make friends with anyone who comes by them and go on their lives without having a mental attack. Brazilians when thay are brave are fighting strong generous people, nothing that you rednecks know sth about. I love coming to this site because I see more and more the qualities of this people, sth that I myself can't see sometimes b/c i internally demand changes right away. I'm just a human that keeps growing and can only demand from myself.
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written by Guest, May 18, 2006
quote:


" Brazilians when thay are brave are fighting strong generous people, nothing that you rednecks know sth about. "

Ohhh please, I nearly fell off my chair from laughter on that one!
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written by Guest, May 18, 2006
what is the problem Bobby?
do you know what is starve? not have a chance for work? have family to support and have no dough? Say redneck.
fabiana
written by Guest, May 19, 2006
I don't understand why all along people who want to live leaglly in the states has problems,..
I wish we all have the same right to move everywhere ,without any green soldier or forest border to sto us,why do the people from rich country can make themselves rich travelling anywhere they want,and why do the people from poor countries can't???
all burocraty is sometimes so stupid and complexed.will there ever the human be human to each other?-----
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written by Guest, May 20, 2006
typical activities of illegals in usa document fraud driving unlicensed false social security number tax fraud marriage fraud idendity theft etc.
USA#1
written by Guest, May 24, 2006
of course there are americans on this sight.since it is very obvious to us here that you are enabling a crimminal enterprise to operate here with your illegals streaming in, armed with fake documents.and breaking our laws. in any community where brasilian illegals are you are under our spotlight, we are taking inventorys !the only thing we knew of you before all this was your worlds biggest swamp,.and your little bluffing loud mouth leaders and there hilarious anti american propaganda.
USA#1
written by Guest, May 24, 2006
of course there are americans on this sight.since it is very obvious to us here that you are enabling a crimminal enterprise to operate here with your illegals streaming in, armed with fake documents.and breaking our laws. in any community where brasilian illegals are you are under our spotlight, we are taking inventorys !the only thing we knew of you before all this was your worlds biggest swamp,.and your little bluffing loud mouth leaders and there hilarious anti american propaganda.
We don´t need the illegals...
written by Guest, May 30, 2006
... the us does.

But, don´t snatch nurses, technicians, scientists, musicians. You give them a visa, you lure them because they are useful and help the us make money and profit on their skills.This is cynical and indecent.
On the other hand, Miami day care centers are crowded with latin american teachers and assistents who do a good service to the us.
People from India do computer-related work efficiently.
Undeveloped governments spend a lot on education of these people.. Shouldn´t the us pay back for the services of these people.
It is a pity, but the taxes and fees they pay just add up to make wars and set up new us bases around the world.
The point is: The us thrives on them too.
Anyway, exchanging your own country for another, like the us, is a "roubada".
I´ve heard people saying in downtown Miami more than once - " Não vejo a hora de sair desta merda e voltar para o Brasil".
Tom Jobim
written by Guest, May 30, 2006
Quote: A America é boa mas é uma merda. - O Brasil é uma merda, mas é bom "
That´s why he could not put up with the us and came back to Ipanema.
Fidel Castro
written by Guest, June 01, 2006
You don't need a VISA to come to Cuba.
Just get a boat and come our way. We'll pick you up at the beach. Food and husing are just waiting for you.
Don't beleive the US infidels and their comments about our prisons, starving people and corrupt government officials. It's all lies!! Lies I tell you.
I my self am very poor and serve the people well.
So, come to Cuba and enjoy a better life.
You may come to visit and never leave! Just kidding.
We love brazilians. They make such good housegirls, cabana boys and Help Disco oral service specialists.
Please bring your little dog Toto too! We just love dogs here. I had one just the other day with some Fava Beans. Just kidding.
Come to Cuba and enjoy our beach. We'll pick you up and get you on your way. We have several VW cars that can roll down the windows where you can enjoy the cool breeze prior to arriving at our star hotel.
Columbians are welcome too as long as you bring some plants with you.
guest
written by Guest, June 04, 2006
"Wow, the ignorance never ceases to amaze me. Do some research clown, the tri-border area in brazil, argentina, and paraguay is a well-known area for black market trading, money laundering, drugs, and also a known area for operations by hamas and hezbollah"

hazbollah and hamas fighting againt isralies for their land and last time i checked israel is not in USA so americans should not worry about ahzbollah and hamas
and what exactly they are doing in paraguay installing rocket lonchers to alunch into USA?
you typical dumbass f**kin american
guest
written by Guest, June 04, 2006
oh,,sorry
I think you are a jew who lives in america and call himself american....and why USA should give a f**k about hamas bombing isralie facilities in south america or anywhere.. this is the job of isralies
USA SUPERPOWER
written by Guest, June 07, 2006
if you are illegal in the usa americans don,t care where your from .your all breaking our laws. we do not discriminate when it comes to illegals.you are all required to leave. if you do not respect us then we don,t respect you.any illegal who thinks otherwise is believing their own gossip.the tide is rising!! your deceptions are common knowledge in most every communitie where you are in the usa.your attitudes are insulting dis respectful and your frauds are well known.the debate is over.
Not that anybody cares anymore, but ...
written by Guest, June 23, 2006
Spewing expletives does nothing to refute my arguements or analysis. Rather, it suggests you lack a general amount of knowledge, beginning with proper English skills, and continuing through a fundamental grasp of economic principles.

As for the valid arguement, I can say that in 1997 there were many, many, many Brazilian tourists in Orlando. I was a photographer back then and remember it well. Now there are no Brazilians, or at least a lot less of them. The exact date this occured I do not exactly know, as I left the photography business in 1998.

-tgregoryt
U.S.A. SUPERPOWER
written by Guest, June 26, 2006
VISA DENIED!!!!!!!! NOW IF YOU DO NOT LIKE THAT THEN GO TO CUBA,VENEZUELA,CHINA, N.KOREA, IRAN,BOLIVIA. THE U.S.A. IS NOT INTERESTED IN IMPORTING ANTI AMERICAN HATERS ARMED WITH FALSE DOCUMENTS COMMITING A MYRIAD OF CRIMES ASSOCIATED WITH BEING IN A COUNTRY ILLEGALY.ITS PLAIN AND SIMPLE. AND IT IS OUR LAW!! IF YOU DO NOT LIKE IT THEN GO f**k YOUR SELF!!!STAY IN YOUR OWN COUNTRY AND MIND YOUR OWN BUSINESS .BECAUSE WE DO NOT NEED YOURS.!!!!!
Lucky guy
written by Guest, June 27, 2006
In 2000 while studying in Philadelphia,Pa two friends from Syria told and printed to me the visa lotery application, I filled out and BAM --Got a letter from the department of state saying I had won the lottery,went to Brazil and returned in 2001 with the green card.I just sent my papers for citizenship and will be a pround citizen of two great countries...this is globalization too....About scenery: In the US: Mount Saint Helens,Washington st. and in Brazil the meeting of river Negro and Solimoes,Amazonas state.About the Visa system:Seems too stricted in Brazil @ the USA embassy and consulates---they shoud be loosing a fair amount of money from tourism; the crossing border looked a picnic some months ago--Call Superman or Zorro to fix this problem?
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written by Guest, June 27, 2006
"LUCKY GUY" IS A PATHOLOGICAL LIAR! A ILLEGAL ALIEN!!A PATHETIC IMPOTENT LITTLE RUNT!!!
GET REAL
written by Guest, July 02, 2006
THIS ARTICLE SHOULD HAVE BEEN TITLED.. THE U.S.A. DENIES VISAS TO COWS WITHOUT CASH!!!!!!!!!!! HINT :WE DO NOT NEED BRAZILIANS OR ANY OTHER FOREIGN NATIONALS .......VIOLATING ......OUR.........LAWS.......SAYING THEIR GOING TO DISNEYLAND AND STAYING 10 YEARS ON OUR DIME....... OK !!!!!!
visas to EU must be imposed on Brazilian citizens!
written by Jonas, August 15, 2006
If Brazil is applying reciprocity fees to citizens of countries which require visas from Brazilian citizens (like USA and Canada), why doesn't Brazil apply that same principle and actually remove tourist visa requirements for citizens of those countries that treat Brazilian citizens well and do not require visas to enter them?
For some stupid reasons Brazil still requires visas from some EU countries' citizens: Estonia, Latvia, Lithuania, Republic of Malta and Cyprus - all of them lifted visa requirements to Brazilian citizens more than two years ago (May 1st, 2004), when joining the European Union. Lithuania even signed a visa exemption agreement with Brazil back in November, 2002 - however arogant Brazilian Government is failing to conclude it in 4 years!!! What a lousy government Brazil has! Look at the retarded Brazilian Foreign Affairs Ministry's website... It's a damn 3rd world country! And they wish americans put them in the visa waiver program: not in this century!
The only solution I see for Brazil from European Union's point is to impose visa requirements on citizens of Brazil! The sooner, the better.
Hi, there people ! !
written by Jackie C O, January 11, 2007
Yeah, many right opinions sharp as life, but the US lets some stay illegaly due to great money reasons - several jobs performed by foreigners are in need of themselves, no American will ever do it - Great heads are welcome in American way of life - that´s just what has made the country full of bright shining heads which keep the nation stronger than ever - Jack Welch, Manager of the Century has already said: " There is nothing wrong with bringing real smart people to America, this is exactly what makes Americans better, more awardingly competitive and exactly what makes the country the smartest of nations - We want the best of all for real nice opportunities they give back as they pop in right with their jobs " But, that has got to be in the right manner - Too many foreigners now - Yoouu know that really; however, the real good ones, are what make America great and, they should be allowed in, for we always need them - REad more literature on how offers increase but fewer capacited stand in - We need more challenges and growth to still keep as the One Ranked Number One - But that has to take the smartest ones - And, our government is smart to do it - Nevertheless, we don´t need quite a good number of others, on the other hand - Let the real ones stay in - come in legally and stand for a nation that is always in need of real good ones, for her own support and effort of a better life, really . .
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written by Jackie C O, January 11, 2007
otherwise, what is America but a country of foreigners !!?
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written by Jackie C O, January 11, 2007
But we gotta know the right ones to come in, the alright numbers of them and the nice good stuff they will produce to America ! !
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written by Jackie C O, January 11, 2007
Amen to that really ! !
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written by Jackie C O, January 11, 2007
Yeah, there are still some stupid visa matters concerning this so-called reciprocity but I hope the better it stands the real greater job it does. That´s the best for everyone really - Knowing how to visualize that at all . .
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written by Jackie C O, January 11, 2007
Bye, now ! !
Didnt bush sign a bill now allowing Brazilians without a visa on Agu3?
written by Vitao, September 01, 2007
Didnt bush sign a bill now allowing Brazilians without a visa on Agu3?
Brazilians Are Animals
written by GoBackToBrazil, May 13, 2009
Those animals from Brazil do not belong in the USA.
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