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Ana Lucia
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10/04/2002
15:37:25
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Hi people! This is ridiculous!!!
This is about Amazon, the biggest rain forest in the world, how everybody
knows it belongs to Brazil.
A brazilian that resides in US, found out that some school books shows Amazon and Pantanal belonging to The United
States and The United Nations!!!Amazon even received a new name, FINRAF
(Former Internacional Reserve of Amazon Forest)....THIS IS JUST INCREDIBLE!!
Respect and base, is what specially misses in his text, what is a nasty
description of South America, full of racism and american proud.
Me as brazilian, got really offended, and Im already looking for more
informations about this writer and from where are coming this stupid
informations. Amazon is ours, is a brazilian territory!!!!!!
I was specially shocked by how the writer (David Norman) describes the
countries and the people from South America. This book is aplicated to the
Junior High School and the reason of all of this is still unknown, but
under my point of view, this for sure is not unreasoned. American children
are learning that now, what means that in the future, when US tries to
bring this plan to reality, what sooner or later is going to happen, the
"field" is already prepared, this is a manipulation of the public opinion.
If some of you get to know something else about this subject, please write
me.
Sincerely
Ana Lucia Souza


Donna Troy
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10/05/2002
17:20:00
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Hey, this is old hoax... Internet myth...


USCIT
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10/06/2002
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No way. The U.S. does not have such a book. Does not have such an organization. Does not teach that type of thing to school children. And has no interest in the Amazon except ecological essentially aiding in its preservation.


Patinho
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10/07/2002
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USCIT---

I am inclined to aggressively agree with most of your statements. However, it is common knowledge that the US purchases many products from the Amazon, including wood. Which contributes heavily to the deforestation and extinction of many species within the Rainforest.


Rene Hass
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10/07/2002
06:48:42
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Ana Lucia:

Em sua mensagem, voce cita David Norman como sendo autor de, presumivelmente, um livro em que ele afirma ser a Amazonia e o Pantanal territorios americanos e das Nacoes Unidas. Voce poderia informar a referencia completa do livro? Nome, editora, ano de publicacao, etc. Se algum texto referencial foi tirado da Internet, por favor, indique-nos o seu endereco. So assim poderemos verificar as condicoes de veracidade das tuas afirmacoes.

Obrigado,

Rene
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Ana Lucia:

In your message, you cite David Norman as the author of a book in which presumably he states that the Amazon and the Pantanal belong to the United States and the United Nations. Could you please inform the bibliographical data of the book such as title, publishing house and year of publication. If you have gotten any information on a website, please, let us know its address. Only then we would be able to verify the truth or not of what you state in your message.

Thanks,

Rene Hass


Curious
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10/07/2002
07:11:03
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This is an old, rehashed stuff that has been circulating in the Internet at least for two years.

Search in Brazzil magazine. They have written about the subject more than once and even published the page of the supposed textbook, so you can read it by yourself and find out the gross English mistakes it contains.

http://www.brazzil.com/p21dec00.htm

http://www.brazzil.com/p27mar02.htm




Cheers

Curious


USCIT
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10/07/2002
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Patinho,

Confess to responding in haste just to address the stated subject. And you are correct, the U.S. does purchase many things from Brazil and the Amazon. In fact I believe that the U.S. is the largest single buyer (in monetary value) of Brazil's export products. Something like 23%, but I don't intend to go look it up right now. What I would like to comment on is that the U.S. buys what is offered. If Brazil does not want to export the woods from the Amazon, don't. That or any other product. The U.S. does not control that. Brazil does.

Almost every grocery store in the U.S. has canned Brazilian meat available. So we must buy, and re-sell a lot of that also. Some here even know that the large cattle ranches of Brazil are the scourge of the Brazilian Amerindian. We thereby contribute to the displacement of the native tribes of Brazil. I don't concern myself too much about the Amazon forest, I feel as stated, if you want to protect the forest, stop logging it and allowing logging to take place within its boundries. However I do rather wish all importation of Brazilian canned beef could be curtailed until every native has been repatriated and given back at least a share of his homeland. I am not in favor of giving all back, just a reasonable secure site to live in peace. As time has progressed, modern Brazilians have an interest in the land now also. And, I am sure there are many other single items that can be addressed as to should/shouldn't. I just happen to pick on those two.


Randy Paul
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10/08/2002
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This is indeed an old myth that someone has been attempting to get away with for some time. There are at least seventeen horrible grammatical errors in this "text."

For example, the number 3,000 is written as 3.000. That's certainly correct in Portuguese, but not correct in English. That alone is proof to me that this nonsense was fabricated by an anti-American Brazilian.

I know very well the spotty record of the US in Latin America. There are plenty of factual instances to criticize the US in the conduct of our foreign policy and some of the dictators we have supported. The fact that someone has to fabricate this instance ultimately weakens their argument.


Alex
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10/08/2002
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USCIT's observation that Brazil's ecological integrity is
controlled by Brazil and the decisions its leaders make is
absolutely correct. Degradation of a state's ecosystem is not
an indirect consequence of foreign market demand as much
as it is a product of domestic policy. Claims of foreign
"exploitation" of Brazil's natural resources are little more than
irresponsible whelps made by idle students of discontent.
From a political environmentalist's view, Brazil digs the
Amazon's grave.


eurokid
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10/08/2002
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Haha, just because the guy who wrote the hoax has bad grammar does not make him brazilian. I know a bunch of british, and yes North American with bad grammar. The numbers written in a different way does not give you proof of crap! Please in the future stop calling yourself americans, as America is a continent and does not imply only USA. Lets be politically correct, for a change heh. :)

ps. A Hoax is Hoax, its purpose does not need to be political, could be just a guy having a laugh.





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10/08/2002
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>The numbers written in a different way does not give you proof of crap!

Sure it does. That is how numbers are written in Portuguese. There are other errors that are consistent with good grammar in Portuguese that make no sense in English. If this were a legitimate book it would have been proofread and the errors corrected.

>A Hoax is Hoax, its purpose does not need to be political, could be just a guy having a laugh.

Then he went to a lot of trouble to spread a lie for a laugh. My comment is just as valid as yours.


Patinho
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10/08/2002
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USCIT--

I was responding to your original comment.
"And has no interest in the Amazon except ecological essentially aiding in its preservation"

I completely agree with your second post also. I am not saying that America goes down there and "steals" or illegally buys the wood. But you stated that we (USA) has NO INTEREST but to help preserve...
And I am just saying that we do HAVE other interests in the Amazon besides preserving it.

It's the old cliche.. "there would be no drugs, if there were not people to buy the drugs..."

Of course we are not the only ones.....

Good post though.


Robert
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10/09/2002
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No one has named the book or books
if your going to post this then name the books
and page so that it can be proofed.



Cant Believe
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10/17/2002
11:58:15
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Some myths never die. There is a new wave of this story going on. This October 17 I have received an email restarting the whole shebang.




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10/18/2002
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TEHY DON'T NEED A BOOK WITH THIS INFORMATION, THEY HAVE CNN, THE SHIT OF YANKEES.

Yankees are totaly ignorant, they don't know the world around them, only your small garden.
They think USA government help us with humanitarian help, ths is ridiculous, they still from us and still saying that help us.
Porto Rico, Rep. Dominicana, Haiti are examples of countries that are exploited from USA.

Sorry for my poor english, but i prefer speak my own language!


Randy Paul
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10/18/2002
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Que bobagem!!

Fica sonhando, moo.


Alex
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10/21/2002
11:18:34
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ALNICOM: Your ignorance hurts your argument. In fact, you
have no argument, you're just argumentative. Your kind of
discussion (if you can call it that) is lamentable in that it offers
nothing constructive or interesting, except as a kind of
adolescent sideshow; the same goes for the organization
whose name you appropriated for this forum. I assume you've
never been to McDonald's, never listened to rock'n'roll or rap,
never worn jeans or sneakers, never seen a movie made in
the U.S. or by a U.S.-affiliated film company starring "Yankee"
actors. Good for you. Just don't forget: The Brazilian-American
community in the U.S. -- along with the Dominicans, Cubans,
Africans and others in the U.S. -- is technically part of the
"ignorant Yankee" conspiracy you seem to believe exists.
Think.


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11/27/2002
13:06:52
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Have you received another email about this hoax? A new wave? I got two. Yesterday and today. It became a chain.


Z
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11/27/2002
15:16:04
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Sooner or later it will die, unless an american tells me that it is truth, I'll consider it as harmless as Alnicom.


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