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Brazil: Shame on You, O Globo, for Slander and Malice on Goldman Case

Goldbergs Dear O Globo Editors and Journalists, the article on the Sean Goldman case that was published on February 28th, 2009 in O Globo should embarrass each and every one of you. It is a shameless attempt at character assassination. As journalists, you have an obligation to investigate statements you publish, especially those in your article of such a slanderous and malicious nature, and report fairly.

Here are just some of the issues with your article that make me question Globo's journalistic integrity:

1. Your article states unchallenged that these families were totally open to a visitation with Sean if David had only pursued it. The question you need to ask is who was going to dictate the terms of these visitations, including the one Bruna's father so generously offered to fly David down for?

The reason this is important is they wanted David to do things on their terms, signing away rights and dealing with local family courts where they have the greatest influence. David was wise to avoid this on the advice of his attorneys.

It is quite interesting that you allow these families to claim they would have been so accommodating with visitations, yet the first time a court actually awarded a visitation, João Paulo Lins e Silva absconded with Sean for the weekend, after David had flown to Brazil to see his son for the first time in over four years. That clearly shows they were only ever interested in a visitation if it were on their terms.

2. You state: "Bruna won custody of her son and remade her life." Sure, in Brazil she did. But how about reporting that a US court (here is the original Court Order: http://www.bringseanhome.org/USOrder.pdf) declared her abduction illegal under New Jersey law, awarded custody to David, and ordered Bruna to return with Sean to the US for a joint custody hearing (which she ignored to her death)?

You mention a document Bruna sent to the court to justify her actions, yet fail to mention documents condemning her actions from an actual Court of Law (as opposed to one person's opinion). And even some Brazilian judges agreed the abduction was illegal. Did you bother to look through the court records?

Any unbiased expert on the Hague Convention on the Civil Aspects of International Child Abduction would tell you that what Bruna did was a clear violation of the Convention and exactly the kind of thing it was meant to prevent. In fact, you didn't even mention the Hague Convention, which is at the very root of the diplomatic crisis brewing between Brazil and the US. You conveniently left out all of these facts.

3. David has received donations through the BringSeanHome website but how does that prove he's in this only for the money, or even reasonably suggest it? The donations are to pay his legal costs associated with getting Sean back, which stand right now at over US$ 350,000. That still cost him US$ 200,000 after you subtract the US$ 150,000 settlement he received from Bruna's parents.

That settlement was the result of a child-snatching lawsuit, something very common in the US in these cases. Here is a document published by the National Center for Missing and Exploited Children that on page 105 describes how left-behind parents of international child abductions can use this tactic:

http://www.ncmec.org/en_US/publications/NC75.pdf

and the language I'm referring to:

Child-Snatching Tort Suits

Consider a child-snatching lawsuit against the abductor and accomplices. See "Civil-Court Remedies If Your Child Is Abducted" beginning on page 21. If the abductor has assets remaining in the U.S., consider bringing a civil child-snatching lawsuit against the abductor in U.S. courts and attaching his or her U.S. assets.

This may serve as leverage to obtain the return of the child, and, if successful, may help finance an overseas investigation or legal battle. If the abductor has received help from friends or relatives who remain in the U.S. or have assets in this country, consider suing them as well. If you obtain a judgment against them, attach their U.S.-held assets.

Any lawyer who did not pursue this lawsuit in US courts would be guilty of incompetence. The suggestion in your article is that a "deal was made" in exchange for US$ 150,000. Where is the proof David agreed to anything other than releasing Bruna's parents (not Bruna) from that lawsuit, which again was a child-snatching lawsuit to help him in his battle to bring Sean back through leverage and the financing of his legal battle, having nothing to do with the ongoing Hague case with Bruna.

It is unethical to print the slanderous allegation that David is trying to profit from this case without attempting to verify its accuracy. Nowhere in the entire process since Sean's abduction did David ever stop fighting for Sean's return. And that is proven in the court records.

4. What proof is there that David has profited from selling Sean's image on mugs, T-shirts, etc.? That is totally unsubstantiated and makes readers wonder whether you took Luca Bianchi's word as gospel without asking for proof that this had indeed occurred. Did you click on the Internet link they've been sending around where they claim these items are for sale?

Have you researched where the items were being sold and who the seller was? David has tens of thousands of supporters around the world organizing rallies, email campaigns, etc. Some of them had the idea to make some of these items for a rally to help spread awareness of the case. The bottom line is it was not done for financial gain and David had nothing to do with producing the items and never saw any money from them.

Again, accusing David Goldman of being more interested in getting money out of this than actually winning back custody of his son is probably one of the most slanderous charges one can make of a father. Yet you allow these people to do it without challenging their statements or researching the matter yourselves.

5. Have you bothered to investigate Maria Augusta Carneiro Ribeiro's background? I did and it turns out she has been associated with kidnappings in the past and been in prison for her terrorist actions (see: US Ambassador Elbrick). She's hardly a reliable source for comments on this case given her own associations with kidnapping and her kinship with a kidnapper.

6. You quote Maria Augusta saying "there was never any attempt by the biological father to contact his son." That is simply untrue. There were many attempts. David has taped phone conversations where he was hung up on by Bruna's parents. And, at one point they also started sending letters and packages David sent to Sean back to David, unopened. No attempt to contact his son? Not on their terms perhaps.

7. You never mentioned that the Special Secretariat for Human Rights of the Presidency of the Republic of Brazil, the Brazilian Central Authority for the Hague Convention, through the Attorney General, initiated legal proceedings to secure the restitution of Sean Goldman to the US.

The Brazilian government is officially on record supporting Sean's return to his father in the US. Don't you think those are important facts to mention to the Brazilian people? Not as important as David and Bruna's sex life apparently.

8. And finally, you just purged one of your articles the other day of the names of all the Brazilian participants in this case. Why is it now okay to report those names, with the notable exception of course of Paulo and João Paulo Lins e Silva? If the media gag order was supposedly for the protection of the child, as was claimed, why is that no longer a concern of yours? I guess the need to protect the image of the Lins e Silvas and Bianchis is more important now, once you saw they were losing the battle in the court of public opinion.

And just a brief comment about your strategy of writing a slanderous article about David Goldman and claiming you tried to contact him for his side of the story. When did you call him, the evening before you published? Presumably you had been working on this story for at least a few days. To pretend you made a sincere effort to contact David is difficult to believe.

By publishing a one-sided hit job on David Goldman it is apparent you're trying to turn this case into a he-said-she-said regarding David and Bruna's marital situation. That's tabloid journalism at its finest. This is a story about a man who wants his son back, a son who was abducted by his late wife and was never held accountable.

That crime is being perpetuated by João Paulo and Paulo Lins e Silva, who are using their legal knowledge and influence in the Brazilian judiciary to manipulate the court proceedings and circumvent the laws they pretend to defend. How disgusting!

One day, after Sean is finally returned home, history will look back on this case, and it will not look back kindly. Not only will people come to understand the human rights and children's rights violations that the Lins e Silva and Bianchi families perpetrated, but also how many in the Brazilian media aided in these illegal, immoral, and inhuman acts of two corrupt and arrogant families by not reporting the facts of the case.

Article being referenced:

http://oglobo.globo.com/rio/mat/2009/02/27/disputa-por-crianca-teria-sido-motivada-por-dinheiro-754628872.asp

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  • GTFarrell

    Anti-American feelings
    Costinha’s and ch.’s rants are typical of Brazilians who resent the United States but cannot stop consuming everything that comes from here, including eletronics and American movies.

    This anti-american sentiment derives from a feeling of inferiority. My fellow Brazilians, this old colonial and third world sense of inferiority should be over by now. The world is one big global system. The United States has people from every corner of the world. We now have a pretty decent president and most Americans did not support Bush. Stop seeing everything as revenge against the United States! This is small thinking, this case has nothing to do with this or that country, it could have been between Canada and Brazil, or Denmark and Brazil. This has to do with the rights of a father that have been extremely violated.
    Your blind hatred is ironic because there are Brazilians like you who wish they could live here but can”t get in, or have lived here and were unable to learn the language or adapt. If you hate the US so much, I suggest never vacationing here anymore, go somewhere else.

    What an idiotic post from these 2 hate mongers.

  • Meg

    Double-dot comments
    You are the typical American moron. Brazilians speak Portuguese. It was a Portuguese colony. If you bothered to do research you would have known that. Spanish and Portuguese are not the same language. They are similar but not the same. I’m American but I try to be fair and look at both sides. As sad as this custody battle is, taking Sean away from his Brazilian family may backfire. From all accounts he is being well cared for. He has a nanny and attends an exclusive private school. Upper class Latin Americans live a very cushy life with plenty of help.

  • Jo Mama

    I see..
    MB –

    So, Sean is happy, you claim, so we should leave him there?

    Well, how about I kidnap some Brazilian children and enroll them in the very best school in France and give them everything they want. Then when their parents cry, I say, “Too bad! Your kids are happy where they are; you have no right to them!”

    You must not be a parent, because no parent could make such a stupid argument. This man has been fighting for his son for years – the fact that Bruna managed to keep Sean away for so long does not mean he should lose his rights.

    Bring Sean home now, and prosecute the kidnappers.

  • MB

    What about Sean’s opinion ?
    Why people here worry so strongly with the right of the father and so little to the right of the child?
    This Kid dont want to came back to EUA.

    He lives in a nice apartment, and studying in one of the best schools in your city.

    The apartment in which he lives belongs to the grandparents.
    The father has an apartment in the condominium.

    The apartment’s stepfather is reforming now.
    After retirement he will change and the daughter and the entity to live with it.

    The stepfather is a lawyer of prestige in Brazil.
    He works and earns enough money.
    No need to live in the house favor of anyone.

    Sean loves the grandparents, the father loves, loves his sister. He loved his mother too.
    Sean does not understand such aggression against the people he loves. He is afraid, he is scared.
    Sean is afraid of living in the United States. He is very impressed with all this bad story.
    Sean is afraid of Americans.
    Sean does not like those who speak ill of your mother, your grandparents, or the stepfather, whom he called father.

    Americans do not care about anything, only with their own views.
    Americans do not believe that it should bow to international law. The U.S. invaded Iraq without the authorization of the Security Council.

    Americans believe that the value of your own life is more than the life of another person who lives elsewhere in the world.
    The U.S. invading countries. The Americans believe they have the right to impose their lifestyle. Americans believe that is always right. Believe they can always win.

    They are right. Who has the power can always win. Who has the money can always win. Who has the most powerful army can always win.

    But they are wrong. Winning is not the same any reason.

    I do not know with whom the child should live.

    I do not have the answers.

    I know that Americans of this forum will be brave. Everyone can speak their minds of all countries. But do not like to hear negative opinions about their own country.

    Many here have spoken ill of Brazil, but can not hear evil U.S., were dissatisfied.

    I think the U.S. a great country. I think the American people worker. I’m not part of the team of people who hate Americans. By contrast, Americans know of which I love. American history and admire the parents that you built.

    Do not misunderstand me. But you also have defects. Stop pointing the finger for the rest of the world. Look at the country itself. Protest when the government of you act at odds with the international read.

    You will not the owners of the world.

    COSTINHA e CH.C – You are the best.

  • forrest allen brown

    BO will not down load got a better address for it
    http://www.c-spanarchives.org/…Stop=14247

  • Augustus

    FURTHER TO JOAO’S COMMENTS FOR
    …. AND…. the LORD SHERIFF is WATCHING HIM!!!!! CLOSELY….
    After all, with Costinha’s help, I have agent’s eyes everywhere… 🙂
    he he he he he 😉 🙁 😉

  • João da Silva

    Bo
    [quote]thank god for that!!! [/quote]

    With a little bit of training from us, you will surpass the teachers. You have great potentials 😀 😉

    On a serious note, I just did not want to treat this incident as U.S. Vs Brasil and go into jingoistic rants. ASP and Augustus are great bloggers and there is no point in picking up quarrel s with them. As for Forrest, he is a wise old gentleman and deliberately writes bad English to confuse everybody (I think Costa knows it!!!!!). Who would have thunk about the dental problems of the disputing parties?

    BTW, there are just two Lords in this blog. “Lord Mayor” and “Lord Sheriff”. 🙂 😉 😀

    Cheers

  • bo

    One of the best things I have ever seen!
    http://www.c-spanarchives.org/librar…clipStop=14247

    That’s GREAT!!! Keep up your thieving ways brazil and you’ll soon have to find yourself another country to do business with than the U.S.!! Note the congressman from Texas’ comments.

  • bo

    [quote]You are not an intellectual match to Forrest, Augustus or me.[/quote]

    thank god for that!!!

    😉

  • Adriana A.

    Forrest
    [quote]All i know is it should be a different lula when he gets back to brasil [/quote]

    I hope so Forrest, I hope so.

  • forrest allen brown

    A.A
    Yet a lot was lost in the transulation from english to portugues .
    and it looked like the tape was cut and replayed on several questions .

    All i know is it should be a different lula when he gets back to brasil

  • Adriana A.

    Joao/asp please forgive me!! Please? I even would go down on my knees to beg you, if I could.
    I have written an entire post:
    [quotJoao, I am even more upset than ever with the link you provided me from Fantastico. Not with you of course.
    written by Adriana A., March 10, 2009

    I am shocked, that is the only thing I can say.

    If that fantastico program was not a brainwash, I don’t know what is. I am speechless. The way you guys were saying in here about the program which was shown yesterday -Sunday- I thought David Goldman was interviewed in the program. Nope. Only the grandmother’s version. So predictable, it was arranged in way that even the questions were answered by her in a most calmed way as if she already knew them beforehand. Amazing.

    I feel sorry that the vast majority of Brazilians who don’t speak and understand English will never be able to see the home videos, and pictures -I am not even saying Dateline, just the family videos and family photos. Because according to her, her daughter feared him. But why David Goldman has a taped phone conversation, when Bruna, herself, her own voice says, “you are a wonderful father, I am glad that we had Sean together…” one may say, “but that don’t prove, there may have had some fearful situations” Yes, but then, report or divorce in US.

    I confessed here that even me did not check his web site until later. Because, the way the grandmother was talking, I, myself, had to pinch me and say “wake up Adriana, reason, please”. And that is because I saw the website, can you imagine if I haven’t? I tell you something if the judge -or any person involved in the decision- saw that program, oh my! Someone will have to tell David Goldman, “forget about your son, is over”. No mention to the Hague convention whatsoever, nor I expected the lady to say anything, I expected Fantastico to conduct a separate report. The article above is a response to the O Globo newspaper, and Fantastico is part of the Globo Network -and the company- and it is from Rio, where the powerful family is also from. What a coincidence!

    She said Sean knows everything. Either she is not telling the truth or poor Sean is brainwashed already.
    e][/quote]

    By going to the bringseanhome website’s blogs, I saw one thread just to say thanks to the Fantastico Program. They gave them letter A for their unbiased report about the case. There were three sections; one for David Goldman, one for the story, and one for Sean’s grandmother. What happened to me is that I only saw the section with the grandmother. What on earth was I thinking? If I was a journalist, I would be imediately fired, and if I was “Mr. Amorim” 😀 People would be condenming me in blogs, for that.

    Oh my lord I can’t believe I did that. 😮

    You and asp made conments about the program and I was not careful to dig for more info.

    Guys please, forgive me. Specially you Joao that a couple weeks ago took the time to teach me how to make fancy posts. I guess this whole story is making me nuts. This whole case is so unbelieveable.

    Please, accept my apologies 🙁 I can handle many hardships, and people giving me a hard time, but I cannot handle injustice. And if it comes from me is even more worse.

    Best,
    Adriana

    PS. And apologies to Fantastico too.

  • Augustus

    Costa’s list – a major commodity
    Everybody wants to be in Costa’s list 😀

    Not so sure about Bo’s list however… I wonder if there could ever be such a list… Does Bo love anybody????? 😮
    oh! Himself? 😀

  • jon

    Joao,

    Up until now I think Costa forgot about me 😉 😉 ( not sure if that is good or bad?)

  • João da Silva

    [quote]For the love of christ…you posted the photo! It’s obvious isn’t it?
    [/quote]

    You are not an intellectual match to Forrest, Augustus or me. The question was addressed to Forrest and NOT to [i]you[/i]. AND don’t bring Christ into the discussion. Do you really think that I didn’t understand what Forrest was saying?

    I am really disappointed in you Bo, not that it matters to you. Have a nice day.

  • bo

    [quote]BO
    written by Augustus, March 10, 2009
    Bo – Trust me when I say that I hardly ever defend Brazil… BUT BUT BUT BUT
    BO’s comments on the way he is being treated in Brazil clearly indicates that he is NOT AWARE of the new SPLINTER KKK GROUP – a militant branch allied with ALL neo Nazis groups in the South whose NO.1 ENEMY are LATIN AMERICANS – Following their traditional foes “African Americans and Jewish Americans! If you never felt mistreated in the South, it’s because you are BOUND to be Anglo-Saxon (Lilly-White as some say). Even though I’m not black, I feel EXTREMELY unconfortable if I ever step more than one mile south of Baltimore, that I just DO ANYTHING Possible to avoid going to Virginia or Georgia – AND SURELY NEVER TO A SMALL TOWN because EVERYONE STARES with that “LOOK”. I can ONLY IMAGINE how an African American from Boston or Seattle must feel if he/she has EVER the misfortune of visiting Birmingham, Alabama

    FURTHERMORE – Your CLEAR dislike for my person and the cynic fashion of your addresses FURTHER reflect my point… As such, if you feel discriminated in Brazil, such alleged injustice apparently had NO IMPACT on your sarcasm and SURELY made no “dent” on your arrogance! [/quote]

    You’re full of shit[b] LORD[/b]! 😮

  • bo

    [quote]written by JoÀƒ£o da Silva, March 10, 2009

    and if his people in brasil are so rich why did they not send
    they family to the denstis just look at there teeath in that pic

    Whose teeth are you complaining about, Forrest?[/quote]

    For the love of christ…you posted the photo! It’s obvious isn’t it?

    LMAO! I was going to comment on the same thing earlier forrest but you beat me to it!!! Obviously the LeS family is full of lawyers and not dentists! 😀

  • João da Silva

    Supporter
    [quote]As many problems as we have in the US, it is my home and I would be hard pressed to give it up (although I seriously considered it when Bush was president).[/quote]

    Excuse me, “Supporter”. I do not want to interfere in the discussions you are having with ASP. But what really upset me was your comment on Mr.Bush. IMHO, GWB is one of the greatest Presidents that your country has ever had. I admire him for his courage, determination, sense of humor AND QUICK REFLEX. For a man of 62, he did a good job of evading the shoes hurled at him by that Iraqi reporter. The 28 year old reporter couldn’t hit the target with two shoes thrown at an interval of 2 seconds. So , please do not badmouth GWB.

    P.S to Costinha : I strongly urge you include “Supporter” in our script 😀

  • Augustus

    costinha / costa / costao
    I think everybody loves you too (even those who would not admit it) – LOL LOL LOL
    These pages are not fun unless you enter your views
    😀

  • João da Silva

    [quote]Did I miss anybody? [/quote]

    Yes you did. What about Jon, the Canuck from the Yukons. He always stood by our side in the hours of need. 😥

  • …….

    Adding to my List of À¢€œLove At First BiteÀ¢€Â
    asp: I Love You sometimes

    a Brazilian: I Love You all the time

    Gringo: I Never Love in Godˢ۪s way

    Adriana: After your last post, I Love You a Little Less

    Did I miss anybody?

    CostÀƒ£o

    Hehehe

  • Adriana A.

    No need to bark
    As much as I love coming here and read the comments of everyone, I like to inform that I have found other blogs discussing this important topic -in English and Portuguese- after all, there are 60, I think, American children in Brazil in similar situation. More, I was wrong, many, many Brazilians have supported the petition. You can see their comments on the petition page. Half wrote in Portuguese, and the other half in English. I am very proud of them. Also, they are actively participating in the bring sean home blogs, helping with the translation of news published in O Globo, Estado de Sao Paulo, and others magazines. One Brazilian there said that in the O Globo comment page there were 11 pages just with comments, and the majority of them were in favor of Mr. Goldman, and because of that the page was gone, strange thing.

    Like I said before, Brazilians Who have seen the world make a huge contribution to Brazil, from abroad and when they return. Not only them of course.

    So don’t worry, at least regarding this topic I am done with my posts.
    Best!

  • ……

    I Do DeclareÀ¢€¦
    BobÀƒ£o: I Love You But Not Around Kids

    RIC: I Love You 2

    CHC: I Kinda Love You

    Double-Dot: I Love But

    Florist A$$: I Donˢ۪t Love You

    Shelly: I Love You When IÀ¢€™m Drunk

    Adriana: I Love You But Send Me a Picture First

    Tatiana: I Love You A Lot

    JoÀƒ£o: I Love You a Bunch

    Augustus: I Love You Most

    Hehehehe

    Costinha

  • João da Silva

    [quote]Stop the InsanityÀ¢€¦. [/quote]

    BUT….BUT……, unless your “family pet” reappears and starts barking at people, nobody including our Sheriff is going stop. 🙁

  • Augustus

    BO
    Bo – Trust me when I say that I hardly ever defend Brazil… BUT BUT BUT BUT
    BO’s comments on the way he is being treated in Brazil clearly indicates that he is NOT AWARE of the new SPLINTER KKK GROUP – a militant branch allied with ALL neo Nazis groups in the South whose NO.1 ENEMY are LATIN AMERICANS – Following their traditional foes “African Americans and Jewish Americans! If you never felt mistreated in the South, it’s because you are BOUND to be Anglo-Saxon (Lilly-White as some say). Even though I’m not black, I feel EXTREMELY unconfortable if I ever step more than one mile south of Baltimore, that I just DO ANYTHING Possible to avoid going to Virginia or Georgia – AND SURELY NEVER TO A SMALL TOWN because EVERYONE STARES with that “LOOK”. I can ONLY IMAGINE how an African American from Boston or Seattle must feel if he/she has EVER the misfortune of visiting Birmingham, Alabama

    FURTHERMORE – Your CLEAR dislike for my person and the cynic fashion of your addresses FURTHER reflect my point… As such, if you feel discriminated in Brazil, such alleged injustice apparently had NO IMPACT on your sarcasm and SURELY made no “dent” on your arrogance!

  • Augustus

    FOREST – Your comment on getting Brazilian papers (the same is applicable in the US for non americans
    Perhaps you missed this detail on my earlier message (somewhere) addressed to Bo regarding citizenship
    Although in the US it may be somewhat less biased (for SOME people and in NORTHERN states) the most of the SAME limitations of FOREIGN BORN Brazilian citizens IS ALSO applicable to FOREIGN BORN AMERICANS… And this is most like so EVERYWHERE, in fact, I would expect it be far worse in most other countries like Japan and Switzerland, for instance, where racism (open or concealed) is widespread in spite of the polite smiles stamped on the faces… Worse yet, in Germany, EVEN if you are born there – if your parents are Turkish, you are not entittled to apply to citizenship (at least this was the case over 10 years ago).

    As such, this issue is not strictly a Brazilian issue, but a limitation of Humanity

  • ……..

    SeriouslyÀ¢€¦
    You All Have Beaten This Topic To A PulpÀ¢€¦

    Whether you are for or against Mr. Goldman, it will not have any impact on the outcome. Notice that even Florist A$$ has jumped on the bandwagon with his broken English.

    Stop the InsanityÀ¢€¦.

    Costinha

    PS: Bo….Up Yours!

  • João da Silva

    Forrest
    [quote]and if his people in brasil are so rich why did they not send
    they family to the denstis just look at there teeath in that pic[/quote]

    Whose teeth are you complaining about, Forrest?

  • forrest allen brown

    bo asp ric
    no matter if yoiu have all your brasilian papers or not you are still a gringo .
    and there is not a laywer in brasil that will not use it ajusnt you in a court of law , even judges bend to the brasilian
    people when the laws states they are in the rong .

    if any of you want to travel to the US with your familys you have to show support .
    it took 30 months for fatima to get her GREEN CARD AND SS Card now we go where we want .
    she is brasilian but after being able to read the real news and watch several TV news , she see just how the
    brasilian government uses the press to cry to the people ,

    the goldman boy is just another nose wave brasil is giving to the US
    as the US government will not force the hague to act on behalf of Mr Goldman .

    as it does on all other cases with US cicisens in different lands .

    BUT BY GOD IF YOU DONT PAY YOUR TAXES THEY WILL GO AFTER YOU
    EVEN IF THEY DID NOTHING TO EARN IT AS THEY DID ME AND MOST
    EVERY OTHER EXPACT

    of course the politicans get away with it quite well

    and if his people in brasil are so rich why did they not send
    they family to the denstis just look at there teeath in that pic

  • bo

    [quote]but it is complex..that is all some of us are saying…its not so cut and dried , she is all evil and he is all good… [/quote]

    It’s only complex to those who want to make it so. People are asking the wrong questions here. That’s a simple fact. First, is Brazil a Hague participant?

    Yes.

    Then they can’t be allowing local, state, or federal courts to have custody cases concerning dual nationality children when that child’s “country of habitual residence” is not Brazil.

    It is plain and simple.

    Does that mean David gets custody?

    Nope!

    Does that mean the Bianchi’s get custody?

    Nope.

    It means that the issue isn’t resolved here and what in the hell is so difficult for everyone to understand about that?

  • Adriana A.

    Augustus
    You are so right about that.

    Unfortunately, we human beings are naturally selfish, so self-centered, myself included. But I know that my personal work here is to think ouside the box, and believe me is not a easy work, no sir, it is hard work. If you want to live with the truth be ready to jump obstacles every single day. But after awhile you realize it can be fun.
    Best

  • Adriana A.

    Joao, I am even more upset than ever with the link you provided me from Fantastico. Not with you of course.
    I am shocked, that is the only thing I can say.

    If that fantastico program was not a brainwash, I don’t know what is. I am speechless. The way you guys were saying in here about the program which was shown yesterday -Sunday- I thought David Goldman was interviewed in the program. Nope. Only the grandmother’s version. So predictable, it was arranged in way that even the questions were answered by her in a most calmed way as if she already knew them beforehand. Amazing.

    I feel sorry that the vast majority of Brazilians who don’t speak and understand English will never be able to see the home videos, and pictures -I am not even saying Dateline, just the family videos and family photos. Because according to her, her daughter feared him. But why David Goldman has a taped phone conversation, when Bruna, herself, her own voice says, “you are a wonderful father, I am glad that we had Sean together…” one may say, “but that don’t prove, there may have had some fearful situations” Yes, but then, report or divorce in US.

    I confessed here that even me did not check his web site until later. Because, the way the grandmother was talking, I, myself, had to pinch me and say “wake up Adriana, reason, please”. And that is because I saw the website, can you imagine if I haven’t? I tell you something if the judge -or any person involved in the decision- saw that program, oh my! Someone will have to tell David Goldman, “forget about your son, is over”. No mention to the Hague convention whatsoever, nor I expected the lady to say anything, I expected Fantastico to conduct a separate report. The article above is a response to the O Globo newspaper, and Fantastico is part of the Globo Network -and the company- and it is from Rio, where the powerful family is also from. What a coincidence!

    She said Sean knows everything. Either she is not telling the truth or poor Sean is brainwashed already.

    we are speculating possible causes and motives that could have influenced Bruna. And I have one. I have worked with many families in US, and I can tell you something from my observations, being a mom is the most “crazy” thing that can ever happen to a woman. It changes her forever. Some for good, others not so good -see the ‘octomom’ with 14 kids. Anyway, my point is, moms and our society are not so used to see “super Daddys”; we are used to see “super Momies”. I have seen many times -and my own example with my mother- when the father is “the best, super hero”, moms always get very, very jelous -they look like a lioness around her cubies. Based from the videos and photos, David Goldman seems to be the “boy’s hero”. The role have inverted here, Daddy working at home to be with his son -he even quited modelling for that- and mom working outside. Like I said we are not used to see that, not in Brazil -although, is changing- and maybe more in US. Maybe, maybe, she thought, “wait a minute I am loosing my son, my bond with him, our attachment”.

    My father was and is “my hero”, and my mom made me pay a high price for my “unconcious choice”. Today we love each other, but when I call home and she happens to answer the phone, I talk with her for two minutes and ask her to pass the phone to daddy, and our conversation extend to two hours. Believe me, is unconcious. Until one day she started to complaint a lot, and since I know better now, I became aware of it and changed it.

    In any case, I have a bad -hope I am wrong- feeling that Brazil will get away again; first the Italian case, then, the Swiss case, and now the American case.

    Hope I’m wrong, Joao.

  • Augustus

    Adriana
    Adriana- It was my pleasure. Regardless of going off the topic with this info, I would like to bring to everyone’s attention that IF that rock had hit any major center…. GEE… ALL OTHER DEBATES would fade…. Some would have died, others trying to survive while most other would be worried about what was going to happen as a consequence resulting from the loss of … Minas Gerais, Illinois, Switzerland or Japan… Can you just imagine the rescuing effort required for the SURROUNDING AREAS where millions would be hurt and hungry??? People just dismiss it…

  • Adriana A.

    Augustus
    I wanted to let you know about the Asteroid and sorry to the other people posting here if I went off topic. Also I think my joke was not appropriated. But like the A Asian said above this whole thing, for some reason is irritating me so much that like him I could not sleep last night; so that is why I made or tryed to make a funny post. My regrets.

    But anyway, Augustus, thanks for the explanation.

  • a supporter

    asp-I’m sorry, I didn’t mean to imply that David was right in not noticing that his wife was unhappy. I believe she probably was; I can’t imagine what it would be like to give up your country and go live in another. It has to be a difficult adjustment. As many problems as we have in the US, it is my home and I would be hard pressed to give it up (although I seriously considered it when Bush was president). I don’t think she is evil at all, she loved her son and wanted to go home. It’s just sad the way she did it. US courts also tend to favor the mother especially when the children are young. She probably would have easily won. I know we have too many parental kidnappings in the US and around the world. We don’t see to many of the type you were talking about, so we probably have a completely different view on things and why some American would say this is a clear cut case. I’m sorry you have tho live with the threat of kidnapping like that. I hope the people of your country are able to change that some day …soon.

  • asp

    yes , supporter, maybe david didnt know about brunas feelings inside…..
    we cant deny that this is posible,and, asian, i agree with the things you said that they shouldnt be reasons to deny david to be with his son…

    but , we also cant forget , that with 30 years of oprah, we have come to understand women get in relationships that become excruciating, and they may be sending the signals , but , the man doesnt recognise it..and, it builds up to a point that they just bolt…or seem to termanate the relationship out of nowhere . which in no way justifies if she did snatch her kid..but it is complex..that is all some of us are saying…its not so cut and dried , she is all evil and he is all good…

    they never did say anything about the death threats…i hope goldman got the cigarrete butt and took it to the police . that could be solved …what is the story on that ?

    i have to say, people down here live with a thing called sequestro relampago ( lightning kidnapping ) and we have seen horrible things happen. this parent snatching her kid isnt the same kind of kidnapping.it is against international law and , as ive already said, i fundimentaly beleive david has the right to his son, but, brutal kidnappings we know about down here arnt the same thing.this is a parent kidnapping thier kid and you know that happens in the usa a lot.

    yes, its mentaly bad for the boy, but, its not being kidnapped and treated brutaly

    i agree that the grandparents are putting huge emotion into this boy, as a reminder of their daughter. ive probably said all i need to say about it…i like your understanding , supportor

  • A Asian

    Mrs
    Like a lots of you, I first heard the case on Larry King CNN last week, I was furious about the whole situation and can’t sleep at night. I though that CNN maybe bias against Bruna’s family, I spent the last weekend searching on the internet and read the reports from Brazil, included the letter from the stepfather. Still, I think David should have Sean, there is nothing at all ( such as he was not making money, or he hit the furnitures a few time, or suspect he is a gay…, or he is in for money) that can strip his fatherhood. Bottomline is HE IS A GOOD FATHER. Sean was abducted without consent.
    Most unbearable thing is this ugly looking stepfather’s letter. I really doulbt he is a lawyer practicing family law. In his letter, all he blagged about was how well he provided for the family. As if he should keep Sean just because he has more money. He is a father himself, he needs to be careful, Karma is around corner. He may loss his daughter just like he lost his wife in most ridiculous and unbelievable way. Nowadays, who died of childbirth? not mention she was young, healthy and only gave birth to a singleton. HE NEEDS TO BE CAREFUL!
    Hope Sean reunites with his real father soon.
    A Asain

  • a supporter

    asp- I believe it is possible that Mr. Goldman thought everything was fine. Anyone can be blindsided and miss what is right in front of them, it’s sad but we are not always as observant as we should be. I truly don’t believe his was trying to mislead anyone; I think that is just how he saw it. Sometimes we see only that what we want to see. None of Bruna’s friends saw this coming either so it’s not like he was the only one who was shocked when she left. I also find it interesting that his grandmother is worried about the blood relationship being disrupted between Sean and his sister but she never mentions being worried about the blood relationship between Sean and his father being disrupted.

    JoÀƒ£o da Silva- I agree with you that the about his step father, I think he and his own father are controlling the whole situation and have been since the day Bruna arrived in Brazil. It doesn’t sit well with me that lawyers who are supposed to be international experts on the Hague Convention are doing everything they can to disrespect international laws. And just so you have a piece of mind with regards to Mr. Goldman, he has already stated that he wants Sean to maintain a relationship with his grandparents and his sister. He has never wanted to deny them their relationship with Sean, he just wanted to be able to have one also. I believe that Bruna’s parents are just scared that they will lose their grandson so soon after the death of their daughter. In the end they should be comforted by the fact that David is a good man who would never cut them out of his life because he would never want to see his son hurt like that.

  • João da Silva

    Augustus/Adriana A
    I am posting the following link to “Fantastico” of last night about which ASP was commenting:

    [url]http://fantastico.globo.com/Jornalismo/FANT/0,,MUL1034206-15605,00-GUARDA DE MENINO BRDE ANOS PROVOCA INCIDENTE DIPLOMATICO.html[/url]

  • João da Silva

    Supporter
    Thanks for your reply that demonstrates a professional approach to the issue under discussion and as I keep on saying, I certainly would not like to see this as a dispute between the U.S and Brasil. Some additional comments on my part in reply to your latest comments:

    [quote]Personally, I would tell them all to grow up, send him back to his father and work out a situation where he will be able to know and love both families.[/quote]

    Wholeheartedly agree with you. I think that right from the beginning both the parties should have established direct contacts with each other to sort out the problems. But once the lawyers come into picture, the case drags on for years as it is not profitable for them to bring it to a quick end. Let me again remind you of the comments ASP has made regarding the “Lawyers”. Here it is a little more complicated as the Bianchi family has an “in house” lawyer who also happens to be the father of BrunaÀ‚´s daughter!

    [quote]Third, the behavior of Sean’s grandparents scares me.[/quote]

    To be honest, the behavior of SeanÀ‚´s “step father” makes me more suspicious of him and leads me to believe that he is telling the Grand parents as what to say. You may have read ASPÀ‚´s comment about the news report that was broadcast last night on TV Globo in a show called “Fantastico”. While ASP translated most of the info, what me feel strange about this guy was he [i]refused[/i] to be interviewed alleging “court secrecy”, leaving SeanÀ‚´s Grandma to defend the childÀ‚´s interest. There is no such court secrecy as far as I know!!

    [quote]He needs a relationship with his mother’s parents but it needs to be second to that of the relationship with his father. For the time being, his grandparents should visit him in the US and it should be with some sort of supervision. He was kidnapped once and they were with their daughter when she kidnapped him. Regardless if they did or did not know what she was doing, it would be irresponsible and wrong not to supervise the contact they have with him for some time.[/quote]

    Here you are talking like a true Professional Counselor for children. This was the original solution given by Costa and you have refined it. Who knows, BrunaÀ‚´s parents may be happy with this solution, as long as they are permitted to be in touch with their grandson and from what I have seen, they can afford to visit him frequently or pay for his trips to Rio. I would not be surprised if the Brazilian Supreme court rules it this way.

    P.S to Adriana A: Hi, I didn’t forget your question:

    [quote]Joao you asked in another thread, what was the next country we were going to have diplomatic issues with, after the Italian case, and the Swiss case. Are you still wondering? But I hope this time the court will get it right.[/quote]

    With U.S., it is a never ending crisis , Adriana. Because it is [i]politically profitable[/i]. 😀 😉 . Please make sure that someone takes your picture while you are participating in the protest march in L.A or D.C and post them in this site. 🙂 BTW, in this current one, Celso Amorim hasn’t said a word!!

  • Augustus

    ADDITIONAL INFORMATION REGARDING ADRIANA’S (BIG/RECENT) ASTEROID “FLY-BY”
    WOW…. That would have been a major KILLER if it had hit our planet – ASTEROID 2009 DD45 – March 2 2009!!!
    iT Skirted (and nearly missed) by only 63,500 miles!!! – If you do not think this is close…. THINK AGAIN, for in astronmical scale this is the equivalent of something hitting your “backyeard (quintal) instead of your house.
    [quote]Asteroid Flyby
    03.02.09
    (Source: Spaceweather.com)
    Asteroid 2009 DD45 zipped past Earth today, March 2nd at 1340 UT, about 72,000 km (0.00048 AU) away. That’s only twice the height of a geostationary communications satellite. The 35-meter-wide space rock is similar in size to the Tunguska impactor of 1908, but today there was no danger of a collision–just a close shave. Experienced amateur astronomers can track the asteroid receding from Earth using this ephemeris.[/quote]
    LINK –> http://solarsystem.nasa.gov/news/display.cfm?News_ID=31295
    The 1908 event mentioned in the article was detected in London, Paris and Berlin when it hit an uninhabited section of northern Siberia where it caused unprecedented devastation over an area over 100 miles À¢€“ though such object is far smaller than the Manhattan-size rock I mentioned under the previous entry, if this À¢€œmini-monster rockÀ¢€Â had impacted, lets say Belo Horizonte, Chicago, Geneva, or Osaka everything within about 100 miles or so would have been completely wiped out; with lesser but still significant damage affecting another 100 miles (give or take some) further outÀ¢€¦. Just imagine!!!!
    If any of the places used in my above example had been hit in 1908 (or on March 2, if this one had made landfall) tens of millions of people would have perished immediately, not to mention the immense impact it would also have upon the economy and welfare of the entire region!!!!
    ANOTHER LINK on this event –> http://planetarysocietyindia.blogspot.com/2009/03/2009-dd45-new-asteroid-discovered-on.html

    ANOTHER RELEVANT COMMENT ABOUT A 2004 EVEN CLOSER FLY-BY (though the object was not as signficant – but big enough to cause major demage)
    [quote]Further he says this isn’t the closest “near-miss” asteroidal fragment on record. According to the MPC, tiny 2004 FU162 skirted just 4,000 miles from us on March 31, 2004. [/quote]

    OTHER RECENT (SOMEWHAT SIGNIFICANT) ASTEROIOD FLY-BY RECENTLY DETECTED:
    2004 – http://neo.jpl.nasa.gov/news/news142.html

    2007 – http://www.nasa.gov/topics/solarsystem/features/asteroid-20080125.html

  • asp

    bo,i said racial division, not racism , which i agree exists in brazil, and ive spoken about it here
    and,i also said good luck to you with your daughter in the same spirit of what i said to augustus….if that isnt support i dont know what is

  • ……

    BREAKINGÀ¢€¦. BABA BobÀƒ£o BABA
    BobÀƒ£o, a native from the Chicago projects, becomes the first GRINGO eva to be called À¢€œAMERICANO BAITOLA PAU-DE ARARA.À¢€Â

    You know how there are some people that complains about everything during the course of their lives? No matter whatÀ¢€¦ they are never happy? They spoil every place they go? Nobody likes to be around them because their nagging personalities? Well, thatÀ¢€™s BobÀƒ£o!

    This only reaffirms why his ex-wife could not stand him no moreÀ¢€¦ Life is too short to spend your existence in misery. BobÀƒ£o, Live & LearnÀ¢€¦. Quit bathing in your own misery or you are doomed to be haunted in the gallows of your own self-made gloom. Stop and smell the roses, brother.

    BobÀƒ£o, I have a chantilly recipe that calls for buttermilkÀ¢€¦. What would you charge to sour a quart of milk?

    BobÀƒ£o: I’ve spent time in the southern U.SÀ¢€¦ Oh yeah? Then Kiss My Grits!

    Costinha

    Hehehe

  • Augustus

    Adriana’s INFO on a “close pass-by” of a big asteroid. Shocking / scary / but not entirely surprising – Additional food for thought on this topic
    [b]Adriana-Thank you SO MUCH for the asteroid INFO you provided, not only because I do have extreme personal interest on the “overall issue” (astronomy / planet formation / cataclysmic events), but especially because (according to your report) the latest one appears to be particularly huge and previously unchartered. I just cannot believe (or forgive myself) that I missed obtaining this information first hand.
    [quote]PS. Augustus, did you notice that an astheroid -spelling?- passed cruising by the earth a couple days ago? I don’t know how much was the distance but I heard it was very close. NASA said it would be the equivalent of (many?) atomic bombs hitting our planet. Very creepy[/quote]
    Indeed, Adriana, unfortunately the event you brought to my attention is not surprising at all!
    I understand our planet is hit by various “AUTOMOBILE-SIZE” objects on a DAILY basis… Because of their small size, after going through our atmosphere, they become hardly noticeable). Less frequently a slightly bigger (BUS-size) object hits the planetÀ¢€™s surface – those may cause minor local damage such as destroying a car, damaging a roof, but could also kill / seriously disable an unfortunate person who “happens to be” where it hits.
    Significantly less frequent (every few hundred thousand years or so) a MUCH BIGGER asteroid (the size of a HOUSE) hits us… Major local damage is caused – As an example of this type of impact, there is a huge 3 mile radius (and relatively famous) hole which is located in Arizona (or is it New Mexico?) which impacted our planet about 2 or 300,000 years ago.
    Now, the type/size of Cosmic Object which Adriana described À¢€“ based on her description , appears to be what is generally called a “MANHATTAN-SIZE” object. Those À¢€œmonster rocks, when impacting our planet, inevitably cause global devastation of unprecedented scale, the last one of the type hit the Earth 65 million years ago (off the Yucatan peninsula) , thereby triggering the extinction of the dinosaurs (and every other animal bigger than a dog À¢€“ except for the crocodiles which were mostly submerged, and feed on their rivers, escaped extinction). Now science knows that only one small type of dinosaurs actually also escaped: the decedents of raptors (which by 65 million years ago had become very small, lived in trees and glided from place to place À¢€“ and in fact are now believed to be the ultimate ancestors of all birds)

    On the other hand, if there were NO such horrible events (major impacts of such scale), larger mammals would not have had the opportunity to evolve, thus implying there would have been no primates and consequently we would NOT BE here exchanging views (and insults) in this blog…

    THE BOTTOM line- IF we did not have a big gas giant À¢€œaroundÀ¢€Â like Jupiter in our solar system, and especially if we did not have our MOON in orbit, the Earth would never have had the conditions to permit live to evolve beyond the bacterial level, for the number and frequency of impacts of whatever size would have been infinitely greater…. Consequently, as much as we must fear cosmic events, we must also appreciate what they represent, have respite for their “power” and take unprecedented measures to prevent yet another mass extinction due to this type of cataclysms next time a huge object of this scale is spotted with an orbit that has “our name on itÀ¢€¦”
    🙂 Just food for thought….[/b]

  • bo

    [quote].i really just find that there is as much crap in the usa as there is down here.[ /quote]

    At least things work there. And I wouldn’t talk too much about not being much discrimination here in Brazil to my fiancÀƒ© who is a black brazilian, she’ll give you hours worth of stories about how she feels that she’s been discriminated against here.

    One day the mayor came to our apartment for a meeting with me, I’ve known him for years, he had yet to meet my fiancÀƒ© at the time as we had just started living together a few months prior, when he sat down at the table he immediately assumed that my fiancÀƒ© was the maid and told her to get him a glass of water! 😀

    I then said to him, “JoÀƒ£o, you’ve met my fiancÀƒ© Elisandra haven’t you?” His face couldn’t have turned any more red!

  • asp

    bo, you have your experiances in brazil and i have mine…
    …i really just find that there is as much crap in the usa as there is down here.

    anti americanism ? for sure. ive spoken about it many times on here.but, the racism , anti foreiner, discrimination against minorities in the usa is enormas. it turns me off and the division against the races there is much worse to me than anti americanism in south america. where i have had insults from passing buses or cars , people dont go out of their way to confront me for being an american. if my business has suffered for it, its nothing i can go to court over or put a direct finger on.

    if im a guest in brazil, i try to understand if people feel anger at what the usa did in south america in the cold war and at least draw a distintion between that and if they are blatent america haters for nothing ( usualy based in some flawed marxist dogma) , hiding from their own hypocracys. i have little patience for one on one anti americanism on the street

    i have absolutly no inferiority complex, i love america and i love brazil. i am perplexed at your constant blatent criticism of brazil with no acknowledgement of the incredible things i enjoy about being here. you seem to be here against your will, i am loving being in brazil.i havent attacked you for that or attacked ch c for all his put downs of all brazilians , or forrest for his aspirations at telling people not to go there, so im not taking sides agianst you , but i dont agree with a lot you are saying. for me , brazil is more advanced over the usa in things like lifestyle , sensuality outlook ( i kiss the fucking ground every time i go to the beach and it is a great day with the style and waves) and certainly is on a par culturaly with america ( i feel your eyes rolling , augustus).lots of times i wish i was doing more business in the usa.if i feel many frustrations with individuals who do bad work or cancel apointments , it is something i could just as easy experiance in the usa

    as an american , i feel more qualified to speak out when i hear americans saying things i dont agree with about brazil, so i speak more freely about it, as oposed to feeling i have to defend america at every thing i hear someone who is not an american critisize america about. but, i am speaking out all the time , i dont agree with how you are portraying me

    on this forum i deal one on one, fuck with me and i will fuck you back, your battle with costa is yours not mine. if i battle with anyone on here, its mine and i can handle myself alone so i dont expect you to help me

  • bo

    [quote]augustus, you write impecible english, congradulations on that, that is true education, shame on any american that can only see your accent/quote]

    LOL…you guys are too much. Some of you even empathising with Costa….little much wouldn’t ya say boys? This site has turned into a 100% typical brazilian site with inferiority complex and the whole ball of wax. Brazil, at least where I live, is the most xenophobic place I’ve ever been to in my life, and believe me, I’ve spent time in the southern U.S…..it doesn’t touch where I live.

    What about all the discrimination that I have and do face here ASP? What about the blatent and rampant anti-americanism that has been so prevalent here over the last 7 years? You don’t see masses talking about Brazil all the time in the U.S. and the press telling half-truths about them. Or starting to report a story on how an american got screwed in brazil but the moment they discover the american had broken 10 different laws and was the victim of his own lawlessness then they simply don’t finish the story…..it just disappears……if you want to find out what happened you have to start googling the story and get the info. from another country…..give me a fucking break.

  • bo

    To The “Lord”….
    Augustus, you don’t have to tell me a thing on how I’ll continue to be treated in Brazil……like a gringo! I’m fully aware of that. But at least from a legal perspective I will be Brazilian while in Brazil. People from organs of the local, state, and federal gov’ts. here won’t be able to try and discriminate against me because I’m a gringo and own a piece of beachfront land. That’s a whole other issue but one I’m very familiar with and let me just say that it would be unfathomable in the U.S., england, Canada, etc. to allow foreigners to invest there and then make up a whole different set of rules for them when they try to do anything with their investment that will take years and years longer than normal simply because they’re foreigners!

    As far as in the U.S. I’m sure that most of my friends probably won’t even know that I will have brazilian citizenship but I can tell you one thing…..they won’t give a rats ass! I was born in the U.S. and to them I’m an american….in my heart I’m an american, I was born there and lived my first 33 years of life there. Thank god for that as living outside of my country has made me realize one thing for certain……just how lucky people in the U.S. are and the vast majority have no idea.

  • asp

    adrana, i have never been mad at you…
    your posts are always welcome….

    i think joao makes good points

    augustus, you write impecible english, congradulations on that, that is true education, shame on any american that can only see your accent…by the way,i am in brazil on a residence visa , havent gotten my citizenship

    saw the fantastico report last night. i thought they gave both sides the chance to explain themselves .

    a couple of points. goldman seemed to address the “checks”, i couldnt quite understand it, but, he seemed to have an explanation

    the grandmother of sean spoke for their side and said only one packedge was sent back because they were out of town . she said sean himself said he saw his father punching the wall in anger

    and she made the point that ( and this is her not me saying this , im only reporting) there is the blood relationship between sean and his half sister that will be interupted if he is taken back to the usa

    each side paints the other as lying

    i fundimentaly beleive the boy should be with his father , i do think its complex. i think the lawyers and the legal aspects have tangled and muddied this up much worse. im disapointed but understand that david’s point of veiw has to make it look like everything was fine until she left, because its obvious there were deep problems in the relationship before and it only makes them look like they are hiding from that in the dateline report

  • Adriana A.

    One thing that broke my heart in Goldman’s video
    Little Sean telling his father in a taped phone conversation, in the beginning of his staying in Brazil, “Dada, I love you forever”
    And I only hope, he will say it again, “Father, I will love you forever”

    Love cannot be conquered by kidnapping, stealing, forcing it upon, manipulating… we all know when one loves us or not.

  • Adriana A.

    Costinha and Augustus
    Costinha, no, I am not Shelly’s half sister, maybe in past lives, but not this one 🙂

    Augustus, I was imagining you, Bo, and asp in the new club, and could not stop laughing 😀

    Specially when I pictured you guys getting together once a week for a support group 😀 and asp bringing in some terrific Brazilian musicians to cheer you guys up 😀 And of course, you wondering when the drums would end -as you have stated here that you respect it but you are not a big fan.

    asp will be mad at me again, but that is ok.

    And Bo, what is he going to be doing? I know, but I cannot say, otherwise he is going to tell me to go “F” myself again 😀 One time, I bothered him in a post, and that is what he responded me, and AES, had to rescue me. But it was his joke 🙂

    Ok guys have a wonderful week. 😉

    PS. Augustus, did you notice that an astheroid -spelling?- passed cruising by the earth a couple days ago? I don’t know how much was the distance but I heard it was very close. NASA said it would be the equivalent of (many?) atomic bombs hitting our planet. Very creepy.

  • Augustus

    BOBAO – a friendly warning regarding expectations of becoming a À¢€œnew citizen” of any country
    According to Costa, Bobao appears to have made the following statement” (I have only found Costinha’s quote)
    [quote]BobÀƒ£o says: À¢€œBefore the end of this year I’m going to have my brazilian documents!! I’ll be every bit as brazilian as you are!!À¢€Â [/quote]
    Well, BOBAO, I have news for you…
    Since I am exactly in the OPPOSITE situation “a native Brazilian who obtained the American citizenship in 1996, I must warn you that I have also once shared your À¢€œnaÀƒ¯veÀ¢€Â misperception / expectation and actually thought I would become “every bit as American” as anybody else immediately after the Oath Ceremony… NOT QUITE SO…
    The great majority of the (native born) American citizens continued TREATING me just as much as a FOREIGNER as they always have, either dismissing or diminishing further clarifications that I also shared their citizenship. This is particularly the case for those for those (like me) who never really lost his/her “accentÀ¢€Â when speaking the language of your adopted country (which tends to occur to most of those who do not learn the new language as a child). Such criticisms generally originate from either the uneducated, culturally biased, and with À¢€œracist proclivitiesÀ¢€Â (particular those who spring from the lower classes of your adopted nation À¢€“ even those who are not racists cannot À¢€œseeÀ¢€Â beyond the À¢€œaccentÀ¢€Â)

    MOREOVER, after you become a Brazilian citizen, some fellow citizens of your “country of origin” will start treating as (kind of ) a foreigner or, at best, not quite full-fledge national, some are even likely to call you a traitor…)
    This is just a friendly warning (À¢€œum aviso para os navegantesÀ¢€Â LOL)

    As such, I suppose I should welcome you to the CLUB OF MULTINATIONAL CITIZENS WITHOUT ANY (true) COUNTRY” (to which ASP also belongs – but does not appear to mind)

  • a supporter

    JoÀƒ£o da Silva- Personally, I would tell them all to grow up, send him back to his father and work out a situation where he will be able to know and love both families. From a counseling point of view, that is a hard question to answer in a purely theoretical situation. First, you have to realize that Sean is too young to be asked such a question. He obviously loves his father as demonstrated by their father/son bond that had stayed strong for over four years of separation and he obviously loves his grandparents. He shouldn’t be expected to pick one or the other. Second, you have to remember he was kidnapped and denied contact with his father. If he had been kidnapped by a stranger and was found four years later, there would be no question that he would be returned to his parents even if he begged to stay with his kidnappers. Depending on the context of the statement, I would probably take it more as him saying “I am afraid about what is going on and I want to stay where it is familiar,” and not really meaning he doesn’t want to live with his father. Children don’t have the vocabulary to be able to express what they are feeling as clearly as adults. Also, anything a kidnapped child says should be taken with a grain of salt since children can be made to say what their caregivers want them to say even when the caregivers are not present. Third, the behavior of Sean’s grandparents scares me. They claim to have wanted David to maintain a relationship but denied him at every step. Also, some of the things they are say are just horrible. Why would anyone release information about their daughter’s private sex life and say that David abused his wife even when Bruna herself never filed any complaints about David in the Brazilian courts? Sean is old enough to read and surf the web why would you want to take the chance of him finding some of these things. I would say Sean belongs with his father, he was kidnapped and needs to be returned. As Adriana A said children are resilient and he will adjust. Sean belongs at home with his father. He needs a relationship with his mother’s parents but it needs to be second to that of the relationship with his father. For the time being, his grandparents should visit him in the US and it should be with some sort of supervision. He was kidnapped once and they were with their daughter when she kidnapped him. Regardless if they did or did not know what she was doing, it would be irresponsible and wrong not to supervise the contact they have with him for some time.

  • ……..

    BobÀƒ£o is HOT tonight
    The convicted child mol.ester infectious tumor of the brain is out. Watch Out!

    LetÀ¢€™s seeÀ¢€¦ BobÀƒ£o, letÀ¢€™s pray: À¢€œThou shalt not allow thy daughters nor thy sons to get intimate during the holy days of Hershey packing. À¢€œ

    BobÀƒ£o, ogt a question???? Is that toilet paper stuck to your butt or are we getting married again?

    Costinha

    Hehehehe

  • bo

    [quote]As far as I can read, the whole case seems to be more complicated than it appears, like Costa said. It is a family dispute and hopefully will not turn into a diplomatic crisis./quote]

    And JoÀƒ£o, I seriously did think that you were smarter than that. You know how to research and you can certainly read between the lines.

    Tell me, why did the brazilian press not report on this story 7 months ago? Why did the Bianchi’s and Lins e Silva’s refuse to respond to any interview requests until now citing the “secrecy” order? I’m sure you already know this but a court case in which they have “secreto da justiÀƒ§a” doesn’t mean that the press can’t report about it, it only means that the childs name and some other details cannot be mentioned. Why the press blackout? Why keep the brazilians in the dark? ONLY when they saw that this had turned into a full-blown diplomatic dispute did they start to report on it. They knew the couldn’t keep quiet any longer. Why did they come out with these stories months ago….or even years?

    A country either enforces their laws or they don’t. You either enforce a treaty you have signed or you don’t. Brazil has 60 plus american children only in this country in this situation!!! Imagine how many worldwide??!!
    [b]Are you condoning this type of behavior from the Brazilian “justice” system….or “injustice” system as Ch.C calls it?[/b]

    Seriously JoÀƒ£o, even though we’ve had differences of opinion I’ve always respected yours…..but truly can’t make heads or tails out of some of your comments here.

  • ….

    BobÀƒ£oÀ¢€¦ If you sold umbrellas, it would never rain!
    BobÀƒ£o not only expects the worst but makes the worst of it when it happens! You make no more sense of direction than a bunch of firecrackers.

    Good day fucktard,

    Costinha

  • bo

    [quote]OKÀ¢€¦ No problem. May be one day we will play in opposing soccer teams and I will get the chance to beat the crap out of you./quote]

    LMAO!!! I nearly pissed my pants….thanks for that one cocksta!! Soccer, yeah, we may get a couple scraped knees!!! 😀 😉 😀 😉

  • ….

    AdrianaÀ¢€¦ I have a question for you?
    Are you a half sister of Shelly or something? I sound a bit like a toned-down version of her!

    Costinha

  • bo

    [quote]Lula, even if he wanted to, can not constitutionally, ask to send Sean back to the US, if the Federal court orders it otherwise. /quote]

    And constitutionally speaking the Banks in Brazil can’t charge more than 1% interest a month to their clients but that doesn’t stop them from charging 15%!!!

    Like the constitution or law counts for anything?!

    And I thought that you were smarter than that cocksta! You don’t even know your own country.

  • ….

    BobÀƒ£o says:
    À¢€œRiddle me this, the kid is going to get sent back to the U.S., I have no doubt about that. Everyone knows it now that the highest branches of the U.S. gov’t. has had to get involved.À¢€Â

    You are so full of itÀ¢€¦ Whether you realize it or not, in Brasil, the Judicial is separated from the Exccutive branch, and independent from each other. Lula, even if he wanted to, can not constitutionally, ask to send Sean back to the US, if the Federal court orders it otherwise.

    BobÀƒ£o, I thought there for a second that you were smarter than that! Don’t say things like that; it just makes you sound stupid. In fact, don’t talk at all. It just makes you sound stupid.

    Costinha

  • ….

    Oh Good God GoodÀ¢€¦. Forbid this from ever happening!
    BobÀƒ£o says:

    À¢€œBefore the end of this year I’m going to have my brazilian documents!! I’ll be every bit as brazilian as you are!!À¢€Â

    OKÀ¢€¦ No problem. May be one day we will play in opposing soccer teams and I will get the chance to beat the crap out of you. My Team À¢€œ10À¢€Â, BobÀƒ£oÀ¢€™s Team À¢€œ0,À¢€Â final score.

    Now thenÀ¢€¦. You still obnoxious and arrogant. From one Brasilian to a future oneÀ¢€¦Up yours!

    Costinha

    Hehehe

  • bo

    [quote]bo ,
    i never said the child wasnt hurt by what happened. but it has already happened, and his mother dying must have been a far greater tragedy.and where you might be upset about the violence there, other people carry on just fine in rio. i cant tell you about your experiances in brazil i can only tell you mine. good luck with your daughter,i love the north east, you may not want to reveal where you are , buti m curious. i have to say, it seems like you rubbed against the grain in brazil and it affects how you feel about it. by the way, i have a brother who lives in santa fe new mexico , ,one of the suposed coveted places to live in the usa. he is a distinguished member of the comunity and his business got mentioned in the new york times. well a month ago he got brutaly mugged, thrown to the ground and hit 10 times in the face…i hit rio coming from new york in 86. at that time, new york was absolutly wild and whoolly , there is nothing rio could throw at me i hadnt already dealt with up there…and its funny, everytime im in rio or recife , another violent city, i always feel i could live there. sometimes soul trumps dangerous , it did for me in new york. so ,i shudder at the thought i might not have lived in brazil because i felt it was too dangerous , and, lived in a place like santa fe thinking im in safety and then gotten mugged…..i would have missed so much, my life has been enriched ten fold by living in brazil..so you can pick the middle class father in detroit and ill take the rich father in rio any day . all this doesnt matter about how the kid feels now, he may love it or not, we dont know and i dont pretend to know , but, he lives a life i would be envous of/quote]

    Bottom line is the kid has been living a LIE since he was taken to Rio. What do you think the responses were when he asked his mother or grandparents as to “where is my dad”? Think they were truthful? Of course not. There was a radio program broadcasted from Rio Grande do Sul last night and a brazilian psychologist made exactly that point. If this boy is not sent back to the U.S. he will soon find out, within the next couple years, at least via the internet or from friends, about his situation.

    Riddle me this, the kid is going to get sent back to the U.S., I have no doubt about that. Everyone knows it now that the highest branches of the U.S. gov’t. has had to get involved. This is a national embarrassment for this country and enforcement of the law here. The Lins e Silva’s and the Riberios when this situation first took place never dreamed in a million years that the american secretary of state and the president would get activally involved……unfortunately it’s taken that much for Brazil to “tomar vergonha na cara”. You know as do I, as does every human that knows this country that with these two powerful families against one average, middle class Joe in the U.S. that they were saying, “We got the kid in Brazil now, this guys a nobody, it doesn’t matter if what we’ve done is we’re right, wrong, legal, illegal, good for the kid or not, we call the shots here.”

    Well, what a smack in the face of reality this has been.

    And at the end of the day ASP if I’ve learned ONE THING on this planet in my life it is exactly what Jesus said in his sermon on the mount…..”Judge ye not for ye not be judged fore with what judgement ye judge ye shall also be judged and [b]with what measure ye mete it shall be meausured out to you again.[/b]

    Who here thinks that Bruna Bianchi Riberio Goldman Lins e Silva’s death during childbirth was a coincidence?

  • bo

    [quote]SeanÀ‚´s full name: Sean Richard Bianchi Carneiro Ribeiro Goldman (No attempt was made to remove Goldman and change to Lins e Silva). [/quote]

    Well, you’re right on one count, but there was an application for change of his fathers name on his birth cerificate removing David Goldman as being stated as the father!

    Can you justify that?

  • Adriana A.

    Ok people,
    No hard feelings.

    I have been posting in this forum for a long time now, and one thing I know is that it can get very confusing at times. It is like the tip of the scale, one time it bends to the right and then, it bends to the left. In another words, it gets personal. With one group defending the other and vice-versa. I for one believe that reason and facts should come first, and the fact is, Sean was kidnapped, period.

    The only reason I am posting in here is because I care about my country, even being far away, and I could not care less if it seems, I am bashing it or else. Some other Brazilian friends here, tell me, “Gosh, why do you spend your time with that, it will never change, it will only get worse”. And I say, “I don’t believe on that”. I think things are changing, and maybe we cannot see the positive change yet, but we will, eventually.

    In order to change take place we need to start somewhere, and it is better start with facts, documents, proof, common sense, and so fourth. This case did not started well, has not been well -Bruna died- and I can only hope it finishes well, for the sake of the Boy.

    Who started the mess in the first place, and continued, was not David Goldman. We need to exercise our critical thinking, otherwise we are lost as a country and society. We should not reward and justify wrong actions. I am starting to get afraid of the double standards in my country.

    I don’t believe David Goldman will not take into consideration his son’s opinion. And I am afraid that the atmosfere in the house is not as joyfull as it once was, and therefore, not a healthy environment for a kid either. They may be thinking are we gona loose this battle? Or a common feeling, guilty. The stakes are high now on their side, and I hope at this point, more than ever, they could reconsider everything they have done, to Sean, and his father. And don’t do anything stupid. Because, stupid people, sometimes, do stupid things.

    And I am sorry, but I don’t buy the argument that he is reajusted to his new life now. We all know -at least I know, as I am one of them- plenty of cases where children had to reajust to many dificult situations in life, and guess what ? They developed [b]RESILIENCE[/b]. There are some breakthrough -actually old- research now saying that Stress, is in fact, good for you. Not too much though. If we can avoid is better, but we need to be expose to some, in order to move through life. That old Nietche saying, “What does not kill me, make me strong”.

    More importantly, Sean will have lot’s of unconditional love -just like he had it before- from his caring and loving father. And that will revert and alliviate some of the trauma.

    Best!

  • asp

    too funny, cats
    adriana
    for 23 years ive considerd myself a lucky guest in brazil ,for sure i dont expect the red carpet rolled out, i wish the usa would roll it out for me and my family. if various certain cercumstances happened to me that i had to go to the usa for longer than 6 months, my family would be seriously affected, and, it would cause us great stress . the usa is absolutly no help in facilitating my family from being able to go back and forth when we want to from brazil to the united states , for how long we want to

    supporter
    , i apreciete what you are trying to say….just from trying to move my son from one place to another with his freinds and social life gave me a very good incite as to how these moves at the age sean is now, can be disrupting. and, where i respect what you are saying about him born in new jersey and that is his official birth certificate origin ,i was born in chicago and raised there and i hate it and could care less if i ever saw it again , just to show that there are differant points of veiw about how a person can feel where they were born

    bo ,
    i never said the child wasnt hurt by what happened. but it has already happened, and his mother dying must have been a far greater tragedy.and where you might be upset about the violence there, other people carry on just fine in rio. i cant tell you about your experiances in brazil i can only tell you mine. good luck with your daughter,i love the north east, you may not want to reveal where you are , buti m curious. i have to say, it seems like you rubbed against the grain in brazil and it affects how you feel about it. by the way, i have a brother who lives in santa fe new mexico , ,one of the suposed coveted places to live in the usa. he is a distinguished member of the comunity and his business got mentioned in the new york times. well a month ago he got brutaly mugged, thrown to the ground and hit 10 times in the face…i hit rio coming from new york in 86. at that time, new york was absolutly wild and whoolly , there is nothing rio could throw at me i hadnt already dealt with up there…and its funny, everytime im in rio or recife , another violent city, i always feel i could live there. sometimes soul trumps dangerous , it did for me in new york. so ,i shudder at the thought i might not have lived in brazil because i felt it was too dangerous , and, lived in a place like santa fe thinking im in safety and then gotten mugged…..i would have missed so much, my life has been enriched ten fold by living in brazil..so you can pick the middle class father in detroit and ill take the rich father in rio any day . all this doesnt matter about how the kid feels now, he may love it or not, we dont know and i dont pretend to know , but, he lives a life i would be envous of

  • João da Silva

    Supporter
    [quote]I’ve stated before that I work with children everyday and from a counseling point of view what she did to him and continued to do was absolutely horrible. She has done the most damage to her son, psychologically. There will be an adjustment period that will be difficult but NJ is and always will be Sean’s home.[/quote]

    Yes Supporter, you have stated that you work with the kids everyday. LetÀ‚´s forget about our different nationalities. Though all my earlier questions were not clarified by anyone, you were kind enough to throw some light on some of them. IMHO, our distinguished fellow blogger Augustus is the only one who underwent the same experience Sean is doing now, though decades apart,but with the same settings.Hope you have read AugustusÀ‚´s comments. I have a question for you purely based on your professional experience as a counselor.

    If you are allowed to visit SeanÀ‚´s homes in NJ and talk to David, then visit him in Rio in order to evaluate his living conditions and talk to him privately and he expresses his wish to live with his [b][i]grandparents[/i][/b], what would be your advice to the bunch of lawyers,judges, his dad, his “step father”, etc; ?

    Also please read the comments of another distinguished fellow blogger ASP regarding the negative roles played by lawyers in family disputes whether they are Americans or Brazilians. Since you don’t read Portuguese, here are some important facts from the link Costa posted:

    SeanÀ‚´s full name: Sean Richard Bianchi Carneiro Ribeiro Goldman (No attempt was made to remove Goldman and change to Lins e Silva).

    Good in Basketball, Maths and writing. Hates History. Plays video games on medieval history on his P/C. Surfs during the week end.
    ( And several more good things he does-seems to be a very bright kid)

    To my [i]amazement[/i], I found that his step father lives in the apartment with SeanÀ‚´s grandparents and I wonder why Lins e Silva would do that (unless his ex-wife kicked him out of the house and he was left penniless)!!

    Oh, here is a picture of Sean, Bruna and his step father taken in 2006:

    [img]http://revistaepoca.globo.com/Revista/Epoca/foto/0,,18883128,00.jpg[/img]

    As far as I can read, the whole case seems to be more complicated than it appears, like Costa said. It is a family dispute and hopefully will not turn into a diplomatic crisis.

  • bo

    Just think Cocksta…
    Before the end of this year I’m going to have my brazilian documents!! I’ll be every bit as brazilian as you are!!! 😉 😉 😉 😉

  • ….

    Mind-boggling…. ThatÀ¢€™s You BobÀƒ£o
    All you do is bash Brasil every chance you get shown by your behavior on this forum for some time. I wish youÀ¢€™d leave Brasil at once and never return, you f.u.c.k. Following the old saying from your america, À¢€œIf CanÀ¢€™t Stand the Heat Get Out of the Kitchen.À¢€Â

    Your writings do reflect your personality, the Ugly American we all love to hate. Get out of my country now becuase you are not welcome hereÀ¢€¦ and go back the wherever you came from. Likewise, I fully understand your wifeÀ¢€™s desire to separate from you and keep her child away from you.

    You have always being arrogant and obnoxious but you changed, now you are the opposite – obnoxious and arrogant.

    Up yours,

    Costinha

  • Adriana A.

    Watch out! Bo and others,
    Maybe you guys are gonna see me in the “Jornal Nacional” screaming my lungs out, “Noooot in My Naaaaame!!!” At the LA or DC. rally. And of course, without burning flags or breaking things. [b]JUST MY VOICE, LOUD AND CLEAR! [/b]

  • bo

    [quote]a supporter
    written by Adriana A., March 08, 2009
    Thanks for the info.

    I don’t want people to think that by writing in this forum I am bashing my country. Not even for a second. On the contrary, I love my country. But to love my country doesn’t mean I have to cover up all her wrongdoing, and pretend nothing is happenning. No, like my psychoanalyst used to tell me in Brazil , “We can only live with the truth, nothing else”.[/quote]

    Exactly Adriana…unfortunately there are numerous people in this country (brazil) and even a handful that participate in this forum that if you talk anything negative about brazil whatsoever, if you’re a gringo then you’re a brazil-hater and if you’re a brazilian then they call you a traitor. We need to come up with a better word than “ignorant” to describe these people.

  • Adriana A.

    a supporter
    Thanks for the info.

    I don’t want people to think that by writing in this forum I am bashing my country. Not even for a second. On the contrary, I love my country. But to love my country doesn’t mean I have to cover up all her wrongdoing, and pretend nothing is happenning. No, like my psychoanalyst used to tell me in Brazil , “We can only live with the truth, nothing else”.

  • Adriana A.

    ASP
    Thanks for your reply,

    And I’m sorry if I seemed upset in my post. And I’m sorry you have to go through hardships to be able to live in Brazil; specially you that contribute so much to Brazilian culture by supporting her artists, and musicians. They were supposed to roll a red carpet for you every time you go to extend your staying. thank you so much!

    I was thinking like you before, why David didn’t go see his son? But you have to understand that he was thinking and assuming and trusting the Brazilian court’s system. You live in Brazil now, you are a “gato escaldado tem medo de agua” -como dizia minha avo- you learned not to wait so much and not to expect so much. However, I would not bet my money trusting that the Brazilian family was gonna folllow through with their promises. Even with the Bureal Police and court order he was not able to not see his son. The stepfather simply took Sean out of town. We cannot say for sure but is hard to believe that they were going to be good facilitators, if David had chosen the path you mentioned, specially from the stepfather’s side. As you can see in his letter that he brags himself as the breadwiner, “I payed Sean’s education, food…so I am his [b]social…[/b]”. I forgot what he classifies himself.

    Yes, I am sure David is aware of the fact his son needs time to sort things out. He even said it in the other video about his recent visit to Brazil -in february with the US senator- to see his son. When he said he huged Sean but imediately let go as he did not want to overwhelm him.

    Yes, let see how it plays out
    Best

  • bo

    Mind-boggling….
    So, because he’s been in Rio for 4 years and lives with an ultr-rich family you think he’s happy there? ASP, you can’t tell me about Brazil I’ve been here day-to-day for a decade. Give me my ‘ruthers, an ultra-rich man living in Rio or an upper-middle class man living in the U.S. and I’ll take the later every day of the week and twice on Sunday.

    Don’t get me wrong….Rio, stunningly beautiful city, and also unbelievably dangerous. Sean Goldman, just because of who his grandparents are and what they have and also who is step father and step grandfather are and what they have is more than likely driven to school in a bullet-proof car, has security with him or near him nearly all the time, lives in a mansion, undoubtedly, secured by 3 meter high walls, electric fences, armed security guards at night……I can go on all day, I’m sure you get my drift. That reality simply doesn’t exist in the U.S. Not in Detroit, nor in New Orleans. Rio de Janeiro is one of the most dangerous cities on this planet. Within the last several weeks they had reportings of more than 100 foreigners getting robbed an/or assaulted in a weekend! Now that wasn’t the total number of assaults, that was just the gringos! And only the gringos that filed reports!

    You’re right about saying that the U.S. has a lot of injustices in our courts too….but please don’t imply that we sit and watch our own citiznes have their human rights violated and act as if it’s no big deal. The U.S. doesn’t blatently snub their noses at international law when it isn’t in favor of an american. The U.S. doesn’t refuse to extradite an american if he’s wanted for another crime in another country.

    Sean’s mother kidnapped him to another country, her country, Brazil, which has made itself a reputation as being a safe-haven for parental kidnappers, snubbing their noses at international agreements and treaties they have sworn to uphold. This is undeniable. There are more than 60 other american/brazilian children in this same situation and it’s horrific. One doesn’t get much lower than allowing others to harm children. And if you don’t believe that his abduction to Brazil and not being able to see his father for 4 years has not harmed him…..well, as was said in Cool Hand Luke…..”some people ya just can’t reach”.

    Let’s call a spade a spade here and stop trying to justify the kidnapping of a child to another country. If I were a selfish son-of-a-bitch I could do the same with my daughter…..but I’d never do that to my daughter, I love her too much to take her away from the only place she has known as home her entire life. I’d have to be one selfish, ruthless, heartless bastard to do it. But then again, when one lives in a place where many laws are simply not enforced, or in an international dispute it doesn’t matter who broke the law it matters of what nationality you are, then I guess places like those reward the law breakers and people that simply don’t have respect for the law or much of anything else.

  • a supporter

    Adriana A.-there is a rally schedule for LA also, if you can’t make it to DC. I don’t know the details but if you visit the website set up by Mr. Goldman’s friends I’m sure you can find the info. I, too am trying to make it to DC but my work schedule may not permit it. I also noticed in one of your earlier posts that you were wondering if Sean still spoke English. He does, he is fluent in English and Portuguese. He had no problems reconnecting and communicating with his father when they saw each other in Feb.

    asp-New Jersey may not be Sean’s current home but it is his home in that he was born there and lived there happily for four years. The only reason it did not continue that way is because his mother kidnapped him, again check the Brazilian court documents, they admit Bruna illegally removed Sean from the US and illegally retained him in Brazil. I don’t know about you but as far as I am concerned once a court rules that a child was kidnapped, it is hard to believe anything else that the kidnapper has to say. I know there will always be exceptions but this is not one of them. One of the reason Mr. Goldman never tried to kidnap Sean back was because he didn’t want to hurt his son. He wanted him to be able to have a relationship with both families. He was doing what was in his son’s best interest and the Brazilian courts denied him at every turn when they refused to support the Hague Convention and allow NJ courts to decide custody. You may not agree with what he did, but he did it because he believed denying Sean a relationship with his mother was wrong. Obviously, she did not have the same respect for him and thought it was no big deal to try and find a replacement father. I’ve stated before that I work with children everyday and from a counseling point of view what she did to him and continued to do was absolutely horrible. She has done the most damage to her son, psychologically. There will be an adjustment period that will be difficult but NJ is and always will be Sean’s home. With the help of his family Sean will adjust and will be happy with his father. If anyone is willing to and wants to see the response to the letter written by JPLS that was leaked to O’Globo you can read it on http://www.bringseanhome.org. It was written by Mr. Goldman’s attorney and states the facts of the case, it is a very well written response and clears up many of the slanderous lies being told about Mr. Goldman in Brazil. And for those who believe Mr. Goldman is in this only for money, there was an article published in a Brazilian magazine when he states he is giving up any claim to the money Sean inherited from his mother.

  • asp

    im talking about the “bring sean home…” mantra
    yeah, it seems cut and dried on the surface, but, reality has stuck its hand in there. what ever was suposed to be legal and right just didnt happen

    the kid is living an ideal life, that more than likley, he loves . more than likley he considers jardim botonico his home.i love raising my kid in brazil and so does he love being raised in brazil.

    yeah ,i dont know what sean really feels… but for sure, how he feels needs to be taken into consideration

    where im not sure if you could find the exact same case in the united states , there is a huge abount of court injustice in the usa. the rich can hire high price lawyers that can sway the desician in many differant situations. the usa is no bastion of justice . and it plays out in custody cases all the time

    lets face it,on both sides , they have clicked into high defensive mode.and the lawyers and legal aspects have pushed it even higher. both sides are going to suffer no matter what. its obvious brunas parents are emotionaly desperatly hanging on to the last living vestiges of their daughter.david will have tremendous issues re introducing him back to new jersey, taking him away ( even though its ilegal what happened to him to get there) from his freinds and total social life

    in this dateline , you see them (goldman , the lawyer, his freinds) just shaking thier heads in disbeleif , all the time,
    like they dont have a clue. and ,i could not wait 4 years and pay huge legal fees to find out i couldnt see my kid. i would sign the agreement, get them to buy an apartment , use the 150,000 to collect interest for yearly tickets back and forth 6 month visits ( get their legal expertise to work for me by getting a residence visa), not lost any money on lawyers, and would have seen my kid, biding my time when he could be of age to decide what he wants.

    seeing david goldman’s drama certainly reinforces what not to do if that situation happened to me (totaly refering to the fact i wouldnt have wanted to miss those 4 years of my kids developement. he may very well be awared sean for the next years of seans life, but,im talking of the last four years goldman missed with his kid).ive had to deal with being stuck in the middle of two countries beaurocracies and , it is about asking the question ” do i want to be right , or get what i want….?”

  • bo

    [quote]they need to drop the notion that new jersey is sean’s home , it just isnt in the equation any more.the mother didnt like it and maybe shawn wouldnt like it either /quote]

    Well, that isn’t for you or me to decide, is it?

    Now let me get this straight, I’ve been living in northeast brazil since 2001 even though I wanted to return to the U.S. because my daughter was born and her mother and I got a divorce. I knew if I went back to the U.S. my daughter would have a “part time” dad at best, possibly seeing me once or twice a year for short periods of time…….so here I am.

    Although in my mind and heart I am quite certain that my daughter would be better off living in the U.S. Less crime, less violence, safer highways-less traffic fatalities, better education, better/more opportunities, and the list goes on and on. Now my daughter is 6.5 years old, we just got her american documents. We plan on going to Disney this June then going to where my family lives as she has never met her aunts, uncles, cousins, etc, only internet video conferences and photos. Now when we arrive in Orlando if I tell me ex-wife, who is coming along by the way, “listen, you’re going back to Brazil without our daughter….she’s staying here”. And I then travel around the country to avoid being picked up by the authorities and my daughter sent back to Brazil….because there they’ll do it, and I avoid the police for one year, and then the courts in the U.S. say that she’s “adapted” to her new environment so I’m rewarded for my actions????

    Are you kidding?

    This case is so black and white it’s pathetic. Rarely does one see cases so cut and dry. All one has to do is a little bit of research. This boy should have been sent back to the U.S. over 4 years ago. Brazil doesn’t respect or enforce the Hague….but what else is new, they don’t respect and enforce a great deal of their own laws so why should it be any different with international laws and treaties?

    Brazil has now made itself, amongst numerous other things, a haven for parental child abductors. One truly has to sit and shake his head.

  • asp

    supporter and adriana
    i am an american citizen living in brazil for 23 years, so i cant answer your question as a brazilian citizen.but i can tell you ,both brazil and the united states have me and my family jumping through ridiculas hoops to keep our legal situations going at regular intervals . both countries have beauricratic red tape to cut through at every step…i just have to accept it. so these legal issues are no surprise to me. you just have to understand it goes both ways…and it is enormasly frustrating both ways…the two countries just dont operate in the same way…asuming they do is the crux to most of the misunderstandings

    im really disapointed in davids lawyer, she has failed him..and these lawyers on both sides (given that lins e silva is a lawyer and from a high powered lawyer family) with thier consuling and filing of law suites ,have created and muddied the situation, and made it much worse .oh yeah, sure, his lawyer is so correct and she got paid very well, but, david hasnt seen his son…..what is more important,being correct and legal ? or seeing your son ?

    the reality of his relationship with bruna is not unlike so many other tragic situations in both countries. this dateline is obviously slanted to david’s side as the globo quotes of bruna and her family is slanted to her side…the truth is in the middle

    the death threats is a reality that is unacceptable , and immediatly does shine a very harsh light on tactics used by bruna, and , same with the information that costa brought in about forging checks by david , although for sure i would be doing anything to get my kid back too.but trying to paint thier new jersey home life as totaly ok is ridiculas, and watching his lawyer mouth deceptions as though everything was fine just shines a light on how pathetic lawyers can get and why i just dont trust them to get to the real truth

    all i can say that if it was me, i would have gone down to brazil , sighned the papers (because these legal papers arnt worth the a cup of coffee, all davids legal rights and papers dont mean anything to him and didnt help him) to be able to see him all that time, with the idea that either i would snatch him if it was posible or bide the time until he is older and can make his own desician. a son will really at some point want to see his real father and he very well may rebel against his step fatherat some point . at least i would be seeing him on a constant basis….thanks to his lawyer’s advice, he hasnt seen his kid for 4 years…that is failure …he could be seeing him all this time waiting until he is 16 or 18.that is how i would have done it and i sure dont mean that that is the way it should be done…i would just make sure i saw my kid

    they need to drop the notion that new jersey is sean’s home , it just isnt in the equation any more.the mother didnt like it and maybe shawn wouldnt like it either

    lets see how it plays out

  • Adriana A.

    And Before,
    I be accused of posting NBC videos, I should note that they are David’s videos and pictures that he made since the beginning of their relationship and his son’s birth.

  • Adriana A.
  • Adriana A.

    video parts 1,2,3,4,5,6 are here, from the beginning since when they met each other to now
    http://www.bringseanhome.org/dateline.html

  • Adriana A.

    Violation of Human Rights! Child Rights! What A Shame!
    For those of you who wants balanced views,

    I ask you one simple question, have you visited the web site yet? If not, I strongly advise you to do so, moreover, spread the words! Specially for those who lives in Rio (that’s where the boy lives and the family, and the media is blocking all the accurate information and spreading lies, lies, and lies) and in US (suporters along with some Brazilians in New York are on the streets distributing fliers, and also because Lula is coming to US, in fact, I will check my schedule next week and see if I can fly to DC as I live in the SF Bay Area… this nonsense has to stop… “NOT IN MY NAME”, as I am a Brazilian)

    They, unfortunately, think that Brazilians -in Brazil- can be manipulated, but they are wrong! If one positive aspect of having the “Brazilians EX-Pat all over the world” is that we now KNOW BETTER!, we READ INTERNATIONAL newspapers, we go to Universities, we travel, we expose ourselves and learn from the place we are living -be it in Europe, US, Canada…
    Even the most simple person, when exposed to a different culture -whatever country- if she/he ever go back to Brazil, she /he will add to something.

    I urge you guys to visit the web site if you haven’t done so, and see for yourselves. I was posting comments in here before, without have visited the web site because I thought, after reading the article above and other sources, it was enough, it could only make sense -even if she was suffering from her marriage, she should have followed the legal path. Until I kept reading in other places, things like: “oh! he was a model”, “oh! he just wanted, and wants money”, “oh! he does not have a job”, “oh! Bruna was the breadwinner”, “oh! how is he going to support his child” “OH! HE DID NOT LIKE HER”, “oh! he did not want to see his son”.

    When you go to the web site you will see the Dateline videos, and there are TONS OF FAMILY VIDEO RECORDS, TAPED PHONE EXCHANGED CONVERSSATIONS, TONS OF PICTURES, showing otherwise, showing in fact, a lovely husband and father. Bruna is always smiling and happy, surrounded and loved by David’s friends and family. The only thing that his friends and family could come up with, when asked WHAT they thought MADE Bruna did what she did, I am paraphrasing, “She always prouded herself for her upbringing in Brazil, how rich she was, and the good life she had, we think that she was not able to adapt to a more humbled and simple life”.

    One discussing detail, the stepfather wrote a letter to the Globo web site, is outrageous, there he states that basically, David was and is a guy who is trying to take advantage of the whole situation. But you can see David in the Dateline videos that he always worked. From home, because he was so crazy in love for his son that he did not mind taking care of him. Something so common in US, work from home. Maybe this was a cultural shock for Bruna, have a man that works from home? Because that’s the stepfather’s premise. He is basing his agument on David being a lazy man when he clearly wasn’t and is not.

    Furthermore, the stepfather is posing as a victim now, and he is the one suggesting that US is using political pressure against Brazil. Insane!

    I’ll post the Dateline videos and the letter he wrote bellow.

    I confess I am fed up in my post, but it is due to the letter he wrote on the Globo web site, addressing Brazilians -well the Brazilian court, but why he published it in the news?- so technically, he is addressing me, and I will find a time between my work and homeworks, to respond accordingly.

    Because WE KNOW BETTER! I guess because they being rich in Brazil they thought they could get away with it, do it on their own way! What a mistake!

    P.S. Joao you asked in another thread, what was the next country we were going to have diplomatic issues with, after the Italian case, and the Swiss case. Are you still wondering? But I hope this time the court will get it right.

    Best!

  • a supporter

    Sorry, I have to correct myself on one thing I said above. Mr. Goldman started the process of filing a Hague Convention petition in September of 2004 but it was not filed until Nov. of 2004. I apologize for my mistake.

  • a supporter

    asp
    Again I apologize for those Americans saying such horrible things. It is inappropriate especially since Mr. Goldman has said he would never do anything to harm his son . He also has done nothing but respect the Brazilian justice system at every step of the way, even when he thought it was being unfair to him. Not everyone in the US agrees with what those people are saying and I never meant to imply that there were not just as many people upset about arrogant Americans complaining about the court systems of other countries. There are plenty of arrogant American out there but I’m sure the same can be said about any country, including Brazil. Please just ignore them and know we are not all like that. Hopefully, we as Americans, will be able to start earning the respect of the rest of the world now that there is a new president. Please don’t think all Americans are as arrogant as our last president. Many of us dislike him as much as or more so than others around the world. We all know there will be inappropriate things said by supporters on both sides, but the important thing is to remember that it should have no bearing on Mr. Goldman being reunited with his son.

    Adnet Non Immigrant- the rush is the fact that this case has gone on for four and a half years, five in June. Sean has been away from his father long enough and it is time for them to be allowed to be a family again. If this was your child I doubt that you would say there is no need to rush. I’m guessing that if Mr. Goldman was a Brazilian citizen and his ex wife had died, the courts would have immediately granted custody to his biological father. The only reason it seems he wasn’t given custody is because he is not a Brazilian and wasn’t notified when JPLS ask for custody of Sean the week after his mother died. I would be interested to know from some of the Brazilian citizens here how it would have turned out if this was a situation between two Brazilians. Would the step father and grandparents even stand a chance?

    And the article that is linked in this blog left out some very important facts about the grandparents offering to pay for Mr. Goldman to come to Brazil to see his son. If he wanted to see Sean, he would have to sign Brazilian court documents giving Bruna full custody and agree to never have her charged with international child abduction under the Hague Convention. Also, Mr. Goldman has been to Brazil many times, every time there was a court case/decision, at his own expense. He was never allowed to see Sean at those times, if they were so willing to let him have a relationship with his son then why not let him see him when he was there and why hang up the phone every time he called or return all of the presents he sent to Sean over the past four years? I read somewhere in an article on a different site, that some of Sean extended family traveled to Brazil to try to see him but they were also denied. This was not a case of him trying to manipulate the facts and turn it into a kidnapping case (the Brazilian courts have already ruled that Sean was brought to and kept in Brazil illegally). The Hague Convention case was filed in Sept. of 2004, only 3 months after Sean arrived in Brazil.

  • Adnet Non Immigrant

    This page is showing a Brazilian women add exponsing her butt, I donÀ‚´t if is really reliable
    Fala sÀƒ©rio, como Àƒ© que o garoto vai voltar agora, vÀƒ£o se juntar e amarra-lo com uma camisa de forÀƒ§a, coloca-lo num aviÀƒ£o e manda-lo pra uma terra desconhecida, um iceberg social, pra um circo de midia? Isso tem que levar tempo, o garoto tem que conhecer o pai com calma, para que a pressa? SÀƒ³ pensam no pai, nos EUA e no Brasil, o garoto que se exploda?
    E logo depois da Epoca sair e isso aparecer no Fantastico, tenho certeza que todos os colegas de escola vÀƒ£o clamar a permanÀƒªncia dele aqui.
    I mean really, how come the boy is going back now, are you going to get together, tie him, put him in a plane e send him to an unknown land, a social iceberg, a media circus? This has to take time, the kid must know the father slowly, whatÀ‚´s the rush? You just think about the father, USA, Brazil, the boy can be just blowed out?
    Besides, after Epoca Magazine and Fantastico interview, IÀ‚´m sure all his school mates will claim his stay here.

  • a supporter

    From what I have read and heard from Mr. Goldman he is a charter boat captain, sells real estate and does some modeling on the side. I know he is not as wealthy as the step father or the grandparents but he will be able to support his son. He has a family who has been helping him all along with trying to get Sean back. Right now, I’m guessing, he doesn’t have a lot of spare change hanging around since he has spent well over $300,000 trying to be reunited with his son. JoÀƒ£o da Silva, I always assumed Sean was living with both his grandparents and step father. I would hate to think that when he is claiming to be such a great dad that he would let his in-laws do all the work with his daughter and Sean. I too find it odd that he would be living with his in-laws but we can never really know why this was done. Also, no one wants this to become an disagreement between the governments of Brazil and the United States. Hopefully, this will be resolved in a timely manner under the international laws already in place.

    Thank you, Costinha, I believe that everyone truly wants what is best for Sean. Any child who loses a parent needs as much support as possible while growing up. As for some of the things being said about Mr. Goldman, please remember that none of these accusations surfaced until after Sean’s mother died. There will be negative things said by both sides throughout this whole ordeal but what is important is to stick to the facts. The money paid to Mr. Goldman was to remove their names from the lawsuit and had nothing to do with him looking for money. It is not unusual in international kidnapping cases for their to be civil suits against those parties who took the child. It is used as a legal maneuver to compel them to return the child to their home country. Mr. Goldman’s attorney would not have been doing her job if she had not filed the lawsuit. For the left behind parent it is sometimes one of the only ways to force the other party to obey international laws. Either way it is sad that parents chose to subject their children to these types of situations.

  • asp

    no one has bashed goldman on here…( with some exceptions)
    the main posters on here are not bashing goldman and instintualy beleive he should be with his son…

    but, it is complex. people who only portray the woman as evil arnt ackowledging for complex things in therelationship. it is not so cut and dried..this woman would be supported on oprah winfry if she was an american…

    i read the article costa brought in, the child lives an incredible life…and i will also say this, no matter what happens, he will want to deeply know his father at some time in his life…it is inevitable

    supportor, you mentioned the great emotions and rage involved, well all these people should know that there are lots of people ,in brazil, south america and the world ,who have great emotions and rage at arrogant americans coming in and threatening heavy handednes s well as down right military violence, and telling people how bad their countries court system is and how bad the people’s mentality is ,without really knowing anything about the truth

    i am perplexed at the depth and intensity that you people have involved yourself in this case when there are so many unjust court cases in the usa involving seprations and children, and , where were you when an american nun was shot and killed in the north east fighting for land reform and the guy who directed it got off ? where was your in depth and intense commitment on that one ? is it all just because this was hyped on cnn etc?

  • Augustus

    COSTINHA / “A SUPPORTER / JOAO
    Costa
    One can only hope that your wise suggestion will be considered (and IF adopted, it would be duly enforced) – I truly agree that your “solution” might be in the Child’s best interest… Provided of course, the child is in agreement (by the way, in my modest opinion À¢€“ your previous entry (and follow up) is very sensible and mature À¢€“ possibly one of the best commentaries you have ever posted in this blog À¯ÂÅ 

    Joao
    Good questions. I wonder if any blogger participating on this debate would be in a position to provide the answers…

    A supporter.
    Many thanks for your reply. You appear to be a very sensible human being who attempts to remain unbiased (which is exceedingly difficult) while being objective and very civil.

    ALL
    I fear that even the most “attractive” solution is bound to be difficult for Sean. While I am sure he has an idea of what he prefers, in his particular case his À¢€œlittle heartÀ¢€Â is likely to be split between the two groups (unlike MY experience as a child), thus exacerbating the implementation of any solution.

    As for the issue pertaining to either Father or Mother “proclivities” (whether he was a fashion model and regardless of how many affairs his mother may have had) I consider it irrelevant on this matter. Naturally a certain measure of “character” is to be expected of the guardian of any child. Nevertheless, depending on various additional details (not to mention rumors and assumptions), as long as such alleged “moral proclivities” (regarding personal choices) are kept apart and in absolute discretion, I fail to consider such issues as an impingement for taking custody of a child (regardless if such child is the son or grandson).

    One may only hope that whichever decision (and accepted by the contesting parties) will take into account (to a certain extent) NOT ONLY what is best for Sean’s upbringing BUT ALSO what they boy may actually prefer…

  • Brazuca

    Oh, now we trust judges?
    One of Brasilians greatest past times is saying how nothing works in Brasil and complaining about impunity. No one trusts or believes the courts. Everyone knows when your rich in Brasil the courts are easily corrupt. Paulo Maluf? Jader Babalho? Collar? But, when its a story with a foreigner, all of a sudden all Brasilians say Brasilian justice is the best in the world and let justice happen. What a joke!!!!!

    Also, we have a expression in brasil: pra inglese ver. Means: for the english to see. Brazil signed the convention on child abudction with the Hague. but only for the the english to see!!! Now that the convention must be followed, Brasil ignores it like it never existed. Typical of Brasil. Sign sign sign, every law and every international agreement. Mas, cumprir a lei? hahahaha

    Bruna started having sex with her lawyer when still married to David and people are questing Davids character? What about the lawyers behavior in this history? Sure, they married later, but he still was sexing her when she showed up with a kidnapped American child. This is the behavior of the man who says Sean is better of in Brasil?

    sorry, I love my country, but this story makes me ill and the brasilian supporters of ignoring brasils obligations with international agreements leave me crazy. If the situation was contrary, brasilians would be debating differently.

    i Hope Sean goes to his father, being created in Rio is not good for children.

  • João da Silva

    Augustus
    The link Costa posted is extremely interesting to read.This is the first time I am reading you may find it the same.

    My questions are:

    1) What does Goldman do for living? According to what I read he was a fashion model who became a Real Estate Agent and also rents boats. True or false?

    2) Bruna died during the birth of her daughter Chiara. Whom does Chiara live with?

    3) Why is a hot shot lawyer like Lins e Silva living in the same apartment with BrunaÀ‚´s parents?

    4) Who is the owner of the apartment?

    As for CostaÀ‚´s comment:
    [quote]Absolutely, this is not a simple case by any measure.[/quote]

    Certainly not a simple case.

    Augustus, I think you are in a better position to evaluate and give a “parecer” due to several reasons. I would rather treat this as a family dispute than as a potential crisis between U.S. and Brasil

  • Sorry…
    Try this link:

    [url]http://revistaepoca.globo.com/[/url]

    Costa

  • The Goldman Case À¢€“ There Is A Lot More Then It Meets The Eyes!
    Text in Portuguese, sorry, I donˢ۪t have time to translate it to English. It seems that Mr. Goldman have even falsified Brunaˢ۪s signature before.

    Here is the link:

    [url]http://revistaepoca.globo.com/Revista/Epoca/0,,EMI63217-15227,00-COMO VIVE SEAN GOLDMAN.html[/url]

    [b]Highlights after Brunaˢ۪s death:[/b]

    David Goldman ask for US$500K but received US$150 from Seanˢ۪s maternal grandparents, in exchange to drop them from the law suit.

    The 4 years he alleged that he was shut-out from Seanˢ۪s life is not quite true. The grandparents even offered to pay him to travel to Brasil to visit Sean, which David declined. It seems that David was under legal counseling at the time, building the case against Bruna as kidnapping, thus the 4 years span of Seanˢ۪s isolation from his father. In essence, that was sneaky manipulating move, and a complete fabrication of facts.

    As far as the NJ courtˢ۪s verdict, letˢ۪s remember that Brunaˢ۪s family was in absentia, never heard and thus, not able to defend their case.

    Absolutely, this is not a simple case by any measure. However, the more I read on this subject, the less compassion I feel for Mr. David.

    Costinha

  • And Costinha, please don’t insult me again…
    Agreed.

    Costinha

  • a supporter

    Augustus-

    I work with children on a daily basis, as a counselor, so I do have some understanding of the psychological effects this could be having on Sean or any child in this situation. I was not trying to ignore the other person’s point of view; I’m just not aware of all the facts of the case mentioned above. Because of that I would not be able to make an educated statement on it. As for Sean, the fact that his mother went out of her way to deny contact between father and son complicates the situation. This has been documented in the Brazilian courts and there are taped phone conversation of Mr. Goldman attempting to talk to Sean and the phone being taken away and hung up. I too believe a child’s voice should be heard but the child should also be allowed to have a relationship with both parents. Nobody knows what his mother and her family told him about the absence of his father. If they have been telling only “half-truths” then Sean’s opinion will be skewed and the courts need to remember that. Thankfully, it appears that when Mr. Goldman was finally allowed to see his son in February both were very happy to see each other. Sean hadn’t forgotten him and still had a connection with him (Please no one get angry with me here, the information comes from Rep. Chris Smith, who was there at the time). The transition will be difficult for Sean when he is reunited with and once again lives with his father (I do believe that he eventually will be) but that is why it is so important for David and Sean to begin to rebuild their relationship while he is still in Brazil. He’s been through more than any child should be expected to experience in their life. Children should not be expected to choose between mom’s side or dad’s side. He needs to be allowed to have relationships with his grandparents, both American and Brazilian, his sister, step-father but most importantly with his father. I too am horrified at what must be going through this child’s mind but what scares me even more is what went through his mind when he was first taken to Brazil and why no one listened to him then. Remember, there were never any allegations made against Mr. Goldman until after Sean’s mom died; she herself always maintained that he was a wonderful father (again, this information is supported by documents in the Brazilian courts and recorded telephone conversation with Bruna after she was in Brazil). Sean’s opinion should be considered, as any child’s should be, but he also needs time to get to know his father and remember the life and the loving relationship he had with him and the rest of his family in the United States.
    And Costinha, please don’t insult me again, I would be saying the same thing if the situation was reversed. I don’t care what country the parents are from if they are loving and kind and want to be part of their child’s life then they should be allowed to. No one, not even the other parent, has the right to deny a child the love of the other parent.

  • ….

    AgainÀ¢€¦ One way or the other,
    I will be in total agreement with the findings and decision of the Brasilian Supreme Court, whether the child stays in Brasil or returns to the US. The Supreme Judicial will consider the international convention in addition to Seanˢ۪s best interests. Many on this forum chooses to ignore the fact that the boy is also a Brasilian citizen, an important factor in the decision making process, at least in my point of view.

    Moreover, let me re-emphasize again, no american court (NJ or any of their states), has jurisdiction over Brasil. The converse is also true, as the case shown by the american Legacy pilots whom recently were found to turning-off their aircraft transponder, an illegal act in aviation flight rules under the ATC (Air Traffic Control). As a pilot myself, I have to know it.

    The so called abduction by force is not pure hysteria either, there is a À¢€œtrailerÀ¢€Â floating on the internet (I donÀ¢€™t remember where), where an american reporter actually asked David if he would consider some form of illegal kidnapping of Sean. Mr. David declined that possibility and gained my respect,

    I have earlier suggested that perhaps the best compromise here would have been shared custody, the father has the child for 9 months while the biological grandparents, for the remaining 3 months of the year. In this way, Sean will not be again traumatized by all these fundamental changes in his life. I am sure Sean loves both his Dad as well as his Grandparents. As to the current step father, I would keep him out of any settings. He clearly has no entitlements.

    Again, in principle, I believe that any child belongs with his/her biological parents before any other consideration. However, in this case, letˢ۪s allow the due process to take place before jumping to impulsive conclusions.

    Good day,

    Costinha

  • Augustus

    COSTINHA
    As much as I may empathize with some of your views, I fear that the argument of “a supporter” vis-a-vis the Hague Convention appear to be legitimate. Yet, regardless of which court may have jurisdiction over this POOR LITTLE BOY, I shed tears while imagining what must be going through his mind….

  • Augustus

    a supporter
    Perhaps deliberately you appear to be ignoring the point of view of a Fellow American citizen who has undergone a very similar experience, currently afflicting poor little Sean.
    Your comments on this matter would be appreciated…

  • a supporter

    Costinha,

    I’m very sorry that you are unwilling to at least look into the other side of the story. You’re forgetting one major fact, Sean is as much an American as he is a Brazilian. And I only say that NJ courts are the only legal jurisdiction in this case because according to the Hague Convention they are. This case has never been a custody dispute, it has always been about Brazil enforcing a treating that they chose to sign. There was no one forcing them to do so. Please do some research on the facts in your own court system. The Brazilian courts agreed that Sean was kidnapped. You say NJ courts have no jurisdiction over Brazil but I ask what jurisdiction did the Brazilian courts have over a NJ custody case? The question goes both ways. It’s a matter of where the child lived at the time of his abduction and that was in New Jersey. International law is quite clear on that point. I’m sorry if you don’t want to visit the website set up by David Goldman’s supporters but it is the only place I know of where you can access the court documents on line. If you have a different way of obtaining those documents then please do so. I will state it again, I would have more respect for you if you would stop being so mean and insulting, I question your information and all you can do is insult me. Find some legal documents that support the fact that this case does not fall under the Hague Convention and I will listen to your point of view, but please there is no need to be rude.

    JoÀƒ£o da Silva- I don’t expect you to support fighting for Sean and David if you constantly have to listen to things about our special forces going into rescue Sean. Everyone knows that isn’t an option but please understand that people are upset and don’t always express their feelings in an appropriate manner. They are just angry and looking for someone to take it out on. For that I am very sorry. There will always be people who think that using force is the only way. No one wants to see anything like that happen, especially Mr. Goldman. If you take the time to look into it he has gone out of his way to say nothing negative about his in-laws or Sean’s step-father. He doesn’t want his son to have to hear things like that about people he loves. I would hope it is being respected on the Brazil side and negative things are not being said to him about his father. Please just ignore what they are saying, they are completely out of line. And to those who are choosing to be rude and insulting to each other; learn a lesson from Mr. Goldman and be respectful and polite when you are discussing this situation.

  • João da Silva

    [quote]Costinha, I would have more respect for you, your arguments and point of view if you would stop being so mean and insulting. You have the right to your opinion but must you express it in such a mean way?[/quote]

    Come on “Supporter”, how do you expect us the Brasilians to fight for the cause of Goldberg, if idiots like George want to send in your “Special Forces” to rescue Sean from their “Captors”?. In case you are not aware, the “Special Forces” didn’t even have the minimum competence to bring OBL “dead or alive”. Do you really think that they are capable of locating and “Saving Sean Goldberg”? It works out pretty good in the Hollywood movies, but not in real life.

  • ….

    Hi GeooooooorgeÀ¢€¦. Sounds like Goofy Cartoon from Walt Disney!
    [b]George[/b], are you always this dumb or are you making a special effort today? If there ever was a Pandora’s Box of stupidity, you would be its contents.

    [b]a supporter:[/b]

    Itˢ۪s funny how you get your information and try to redirect me to David Goldmanˢ۪s website.

    My favor part of your garbbled nonsense was À¢€œCustody was decided by the courts in New Jersey, which is the only legal jurisdiction allowed to rule on this situationÀ¢€Â. IsnÀ¢€™t that typical american arrogance or what? Let me tell something, infected urinalÀ¢€¦ New Jersey never has, does not have, and never will have jurisdiction over Brasil, got that? What an idiot you really are!

    You car should feature an outside mirror with the following label À¢€œWarning: Objects in mirror are dumber than they appearÀ¢€Â.

    Beyond that folks, letˢ۪s donˢ۪t forget that Sean is a Brasilian Citizen legally and automatically, in lieu of his mother being Brasilian. Thatˢ۪s the law, and thatˢ۪s a fact.

    Questions?

    Costinha

  • João da Silva

    asp
    [quote]i mean is that some kind of mother f**king threat , george ?[/quote]

    Now you are talking like a real Southern Chicagoan, ASP. You must have voted for Obama. 😉 😀 😉

  • asp

    can you beleive it?
    there are actualy people who beleive delta force should parachute into sao paulo or rio and take out anyone in the way to get the boy…..they probably will end up in rochina

    i mean is that some kind of mother fucking threat , george ?

  • asp

    great point , augustus
    be careful there, joao, you are titilating the most deep of secret wish fullfillment emotions with that one …you are making me exited

  • João da Silva

    [quote]I expect our special forces to go and extract him from his captors. [/quote]

    AND I expect Arnie Schwarzenegger to lead these “Special Forces”. 😀 😉 😉

  • Augustus

    George
    As a citizen of both countries (and have been longer in the US than I have lived in brazil) I make a concerted effort NOT to be biased towaards either whenever both have any differences…
    In principle I would fully agree with you. In principle this boy should have be given back to his father
    Yet, I HAVE BEEN IN A VERY SIMILAR SITUATION when I was a child… At the age of 9 I lived in TERROR, thinking that my father would take me away from my grand mother… I clearly remember the fear and the feelings… Technically, in my case, my father also had the “moral” legal rights on his side, but mercifully my custody was granted to my Grand Mother, who was the person I truly wanted to be with. I clearly remember thinking (as a boy) – WHY NOBODY ASKS ME WHAT I WANT????

    In this particular case, I know Sean (the boy’s name?) is a bit younger – but he must be very scared like I was…. THE LAW in any country should consider consulting the child’s choice!!!! That should be paramount! I know from experience…

  • George

    He is an American Citizen, and his American father lives in America……….
    I expect our special forces to go and extract him from his captors.

    And I would expect the same from Brazil if an American kidnapped one of their citizens.

    Brazil is a great country and I am proud to call them our friends and allies, but this must be fixed.

    How can the interests of the grand parents and some perverted step father be above that of the child’s father?

    I guess what it comes down to, be it you are American or Brazilian, is if you are rich you can get away with everything.

    Americans and Brazillians should unite that we have an abusive rich class

  • a supporter

    Costinha
    Costinha

    The facts are the facts. I’m sorry if you can’t accept that but this case has been well documented in both the American and Brazilian courts. If you don’t believe me, please visit the website set up in support of bringing Sean home. All documents, which have been released to the public, are posted there. You can read them for yourself. And by the way, there are also documents from those in the Brazilian government supporting Sean’s return to his father in the United States. I don’t get my information from CNN and what you refer to as state supported media, I tend to research things for myself and make my own decisions. It’s was educated people do. I even translate and read what the Brazilian press is saying. I’m really sorry if that sounded mean but I don’t like being accused of not understanding the facts. Where do yours come from?

    Another fact, you have been misinformed on is that this is not a custody case. Custody was decided by the courts in New Jersey, which is the only legal jurisdiction allowed to rule on this situation. The court case pending in Brazil is simply to decide if the Hague Convention has been violated. Which obviously it has, the lower level federal courts have already stated that Bruna kidnapped Sean and brought him to Brazil illegally. If Sean’s family thinks David is such a bad father, why not follow the international laws in place and file for custody in New Jersey. The sad thing is Bruna probably would have been given custody in New Jersey if she had just done this the legal and moral way and no of this would be happening now. We have international treaties to prevent things like this. This is not about US v. Brazil so stop insulting each others countries. We all have strong feelings about what the other has done wrong but it has no meaning to this case. I as an American admit that we have done many things wrong and I’m sure the many good people of Brazil also know their government isn’t perfect, but it is not a reason to keep David and Sean apart.

    Costinha, I would have more respect for you, your arguments and point of view if you would stop being so mean and insulting. You have the right to your opinion but must you express it in such a mean way?

  • forrest allen brown

    SORRY dd I MENT COSTA
    brasilians who consider themselves victims of their circumstances will always remain victims unless they develop a greater vision for their country
    other than what there government plans for them

    AT ONE POINT IN TIME WE WERE ALL VICTIMS JUST SOME RECOVER BETTER THAN OTHERS

  • forrest allen brown

    A you got it
    as far a dd goes you are way off the charts on me and never in your wildest dreams could you ever hope to come near me and my life

    and in the past it was the united states of brasil .

  • Augustus

    Imperio do Brasil (1822-1889) – “Empire of Brazil”
    The fact that Brazil’s independence was followed by the establishment of a Parliamentary Monarchy – whose “de facto” head of the government rested with the Emperors (of the lineage “Orleans e BraganÀƒ§a”) set it apart from its neighbors, in addition, of course, to the distinct language. Such historical distinction represents not only a blessing in cultural terms but also a liability in Political maturity.
    Indeed, in 1889 the Brazilian Armed Forces (despite its legitimate role as protectors of the nation’s security and liberty) may have naively eliminated the Empire (and its legitimate Emperor) from Brazil; yet, they have never taken the beloved traditional Imperial culture from the heart of Brazilian civilization… One must simply access various melodies, stories and traditions as well as to visit any major metropolis of the nation (for Example: SQUARE DUQUE OF CAXIAS/// BARON OF IPANEMA STREET // VICOUNT OF PIRAJA or PRICESS ISABEL avenues), in order to verify this fundamental distinction (of which Brazilians of all races and social class are so proud)
    8)

  • Augustus

    GENERAL (BASIC) INFORMATION ABOUT BRAZIL (INCLUDING LANGUAGE)
    GENERAL (BASIC) INFORMATION ABOUT BRAZIL (INCLUDING LANGUAGE)
    written by Augustus, March 06, 2009

    With the exception of the Guianas (which native languages are English/Dutch/French), Brazil is the only PORTUGUESE speaking country in South America, and comprises about 3/5 of South America…
    FROM WIKIPEDIA

    Brazil (Portuguese: Brasil),, officially the Federative Republic of Brazil (Portuguese: RepÀƒºblica Federativa do Brasil), is a country in South America. It is the fifth largest country by geographical area, occupying nearly half of South America, the fifth most populous country, and the fourth most populous democracy in the world. Bounded by the Atlantic Ocean on the east, Brazil has a coastline of over 7,491 kilometers (4,655 mi). It is bordered on the north by Venezuela, Suriname, Guyana and the overseas department of French Guiana; on the northwest by Colombia; on the west by Bolivia and Peru; on the southwest by Argentina and Paraguay and on the south by Uruguay. Numerous archipelagos are part of the Brazilian territory, such as Fernando de Noronha, Rocas Atoll, Saint Peter and Paul Rocks, and Trindade and Martim Vaz.
    Brazil was a colony of Portugal from the landing of Pedro ÀƒÂlvares Cabral in 1500 until its independence in 1822. Initially independent as the Brazilian Empire, the country has been a republic since 1889, although the bicameral legislature; now called Congress, dates back to 1824, when the first constitution was ratified. Its current Constitution defines Brazil as a Federal Republic. The Federation is formed by the union of the Federal District, the 26 States, and the 5,564 Municipalities.
    Brazil is the world’s tenth largest economy at market exchange rates and the ninth largest in purchasing power. Economic reforms have given the country new international projection. It is a founding member of the United Nations and the Union of South American Nations. A predominantly Roman Catholic, Portuguese-speaking, and multiethnic society, Brazil is also home to a diversity of wildlife, natural environments, and extensive natural resources in a variety of protected habitats.

    FOR THOSE CURIOUS HOW BRAZILIANS PRONOUNCE THE FULL NAME OF THEIR COUNTRY – IN PORTUGUESE —>
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Filet-br-RepÀƒºblica_Federativa_do_Brasil.ogg
    NOTE: link will not be properly posted ABOVE because of the symboLs associated with one of the above emoticons COLON : followed by P
    : P = 😛
    thus I will repeat the link with a space between : & P
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File: Pt-br-RepÀƒºblica_Federativa_do_Brasil.ogg

  • ……

    Lisa & Mike or Mike & Lisa:
    AC or DC, I mean, are you a he-she or a she-he beast? In either case, go f.u.c.k. yourself into oblivion and quit yapping at my heels like a little pink poodle with a perm.

    [b]Mr. limÀƒ£o: [/b]

    Are you always this sour? Be careful not to bite your treaky tongue, you may get acid poisoning. And please, stop your epileptic seizures on the keyboard.

    [b]Double-Dot:[/b]

    Come on now manÀ¢€¦ You know we speak Portuguese and our President is Lula. Drop the bullshit.

    [b]Florits A$$:[/b]

    I think I got your number. Let me see, you are a Mexican-American (looking just like an Aztec), referred to as Northern-Mexican and living in Texas. Now then, you are hated in Mexico since Mexicans (referred to as Southern-Mexicans) see people like you as sell-outs. So now, you are not accepted either by your Anglo brothers (in the US) nor your Southern ones (in Mexico), because you are a traitor to them. The only identity left is your association with the faggot marines, where they used your minority status for cleansing attrition, but you are to stupid to see itÀ¢€¦ Hehehe.

    [b]David Goldman:[/b]

    All I have to say to you isÀ¢€¦. DonÀ¢€™t count your chickens before they hatch.

    Luv U all,

    Costinha

  • Double-Dot

    [quote]First of all what does KNOW SPANISH has to do with the issue?????
    MERCIFULLY that is NOT the language spoken in Brazil, excpet in the mind of those (with little education) born & raised in North America… I’ve grown tired of the number of times I had to clarify this issue – even here in New York city!!!![/quote]

    You New Yorkers are pretty arrogant and pay no attention to the rest of America. In case you didn’t know, Spanish is the official language of Brazil unless you want to impose English on them. And don’t call me a person with little education.

    [quote]SOMEONE SHOULD HAVE PITY ON THIS BOY AND TRY TO CONSIDER HOW HE REALLY FEELS!!! HE MUST BE MORTIFIED… I KNOW!!! [/quote]

    Here we agree. I think that he needs lots of attention . And you re read what Costa said and don’t argue with me.

    You an Eyetalian?

    God bless America.

  • Augustus

    AMAZING COMMENTS
    First of all what does KNOW SPANISH has to do with the issue?????
    MERCIFULLY that is NOT the language spoken in Brazil, excpet in the mind of those (with little education) born & raised in North America… I’ve grown tired of the number of times I had to clarify this issue – even here in New York city!!!!
    Secondly, since this POINTLESS – far less important – issue is being debated… (welll, given the Article above, I should just shut up and accept it), has ANYONE bothered asking the poor little boy what he might prefer?
    I KNOW EXACTLY how he feels, since between the ages of 9 and 11 I was in a rather equivalent situation – MORTIFIED! I will never forget fearing that my revengeful father would take me away from my beloved Grand Mother in Rio in order to take me to Portugal, whereas my uncle in Sao Paulo – a Colonel in the Army during the Military dictatorship – tried to take me there in order to educate me in a Military Academy…
    SOMEONE SHOULD HAVE PITY ON THIS BOY AND TRY TO CONSIDER HOW HE REALLY FEELS!!! HE MUST BE MORTIFIED… I KNOW!!!
    😥 🙁 😥 🙁 😥 🙁

  • Double-Dot

    [quote]ive seen balanced un biased reporting on tv down here about the case , too, so some of you need to get that shrill banshee tone out of your voice[/quote]

    Well ASPEN, we would very much appreciate your keeping us all informed as how this story is played out by your TV and the government. I don’t think neither Obama nor Chavez would like to see this minor incident blown up out of proportions. Wouldn’t you agree?

    God bless America and Brazil too.

  • Double-Dot

    Forrest Brown
    [quote]and why would he want to learn spainsh living in brazil???????????????????? [/quote]

    Brown, I am sure that the kid after having lived for 4 years in your country already speaks fluent Spanish and according to CostaÀ‚´s suggestion which I think that the Brazilian Supreme court judges are bound to accept is coming back home.He might need to re-adjust to our language and it sure is not going to be difficult.

    [quote]YES it is nice but at what point could they garntee that the boy would not be retaken by some other brasilians and held for the big payoff ????[/quote]

    I don’t think so. No Grandparents would like to hurt their only grandson.If they are worried about young Sean being held hostage here, they could be given the right visas to visit Sean here. I don’t think David would mind.

    My biggest question : Has anyone checked DavidÀ‚´s background? Does he have gainful employment to sustain the kid? We have to be more rational and less emotional about this issue, Brown.

    God Bless America

  • asp

    yeah, its fucking objective…
    it puts it in quotes when it refers to the people in brazil and it mentions the web site

    it told me things that im not hearing from the people coming in here screaming and acusing people of being brazilian when they are not, and, raking over brazilian mentality ( the people who are already in here with their running battles is a differant story , you know who you are , and you know what your battle lines are). that kind of shit just hurts golman’s case

    jesus fuck im just glad to see the article that was written about and i see that it isnt automaticlay against goldman.it gives facts im interested on both sides, fuck it if someone has a hang up about that…i dont beleive every goddamned quote i see..i want to know what the beef on both sides is

    ive seen balanced un biased reporting on tv down here about the case , too, so some of you need to get that shrill banshee tone out of your voice

  • forrest allen brown

    DD
    and why would he want to learn spainsh living in brazil????????????????????

    YES it is nice but at what point could they garntee that the boy would not be retaken by some other brasilians and held for the big payoff ????

    at some point there will be open talks but not now to much said with so much hate
    time is all they have .

  • Double-Dot

    Ridiculous and vicious attacks on Costa. Nobody bothered to read his first entry where he has accepted that the right thing to do is to send the kid back to his living biological parent. Though the Grandparents have no rights over Sean, Costa is proposing that he be allowed to spend a few months every year with them. A wonderful suggestion and a fine humanitarian gesture. This way, the kid learns both English and Spanish, thus opening up several opportunities in the future.

    Instead of supporting CostaÀ‚´s proposal, ya all seem to be criticizing him. He and I have had differences in the past but I fully applaud his original suggestion. I can live with his anti Americanism and it doesn’t bother me. We have enough problems at home with wars waged on two fronts and letÀ‚´s not set up a third front with Brazil.

    God bless America.

  • lmao

    Objective take???
    American Cancer Society sells mugs and takes donations. So does that mean they are in it for the money? But its soo much easier to believe that David has amassed $370,000 in expenses so that he can see $150 worth of t-shirts?

    Who cares if she was unhappy with her marriage? If that was the case, why run to Rio for the divorce? She was married and living in the U.S., so get an American divorce, like the law says you should. As rich as her family is, they couldn’t manage shared custody across two countries?

    But that wasn’t good enough for them. They wanted full custody. So chose to ignore the law and steal the boy.

    David had every right to go after the families U.S. assets. Her parents paid him that money because they were GUILTY and wanted their U.S. assets freed, as well as their names dropped from the kidnapping suit. Evey penny of that money went to David’s one passion: getting his son back.

    There’s plenty of proof – documented court papers, etc. at http://www.BringSeanHome.org for anyone who can HANDLE THE TRUTH. Fortunately, most Brazilians aren’t so easily fooled, anti-American or embarrased to admit that wealth and power have influenced the judiciary to simply ignore the law.

  • asp

    thanks for the objective take , pj
    …and, its obviously complex and not cut and dried…

  • pj

    Part 3
    À¢€œDavid initiated a case to pressure [the family] that only ended when my brother and his wife agreed to pay US$150,000,À¢€Â Maria Augusta wrote. À¢€œ(À¢€¦) The money was paid and the receipt is attached to all of the court documents where the case took place.À¢€Â

    She also criticized the supposed isolation that the father alleges he has been subject to. À¢€œThere was never any attempt or intention to prevent contact between father and son. If there was no contact between them, the only person responsible for that is the biological father that today says he was prevented from visiting his son, a fact that cannot be proved. ItÀ¢€™s important to note that the boy is now eight years old (heÀ¢€™ll turn nine in May) and during all these years there was never an attempt by the biological father to contact his son. The address, phone numbers, and all the contact information were known to him and they were available to him the whole time.À¢€Â

    In July 2004, Bruna wrote an email to a friend of the couple: À¢€œUnfortunately, I was living a sham of a marriage. I pretended I was happy but it was a big lie (À¢€¦). He wanted an Italian teacher in New Jersey but IÀ¢€™m so much more than that. I changed by life just to be with him and to start a family. I changed my country, family, profession, friends, everything for love (À¢€¦), but I was missing tenderness, attention, sex, and I began to see that it wasnÀ¢€™t worth it anymore.À¢€Â

    In a set of taped phone calls between Bruna and Goldman, she asks for him to come to Brazil to À¢€œresolve things amicably.À¢€Â And she says he can see his son. David alleges that he couldnÀ¢€™t come to Brazil because he had to work in New York. A part of the taped dialogue says: À¢€œBruna: You can see him, itÀ¢€™s no problem. David: So come here on July 12, come for my birthday. Bruna: IÀ¢€™ll go, IÀ¢€™ll go, but you have to come here first. David: I canÀ¢€™t go, I have to work.À¢€Â

    All of the news published about the case are updated constantly on the website organized by David with the help of his friends.The next step in the campaign is to bring the boy (who has dual citizenship) back to the United States and to have a protest during President Lulaˢ۪s visit to the US in March. O GLOBO tried to speak to Goldman by telephone, but by closing time of this edition he could not be reached.

    Sidebar: In September 2008, David Goldman began an Internet campaign with a website in which he tells his version of the story and tries to raise money to help him with the costs of the case. It didnÀ¢€™t take long for the story to have repercussions. In October, the American press À¢€“ like the TV show À¢€œDatelineÀ¢€Â on NBC and the newspaper À¢€œThe New York TimesÀ¢€Â À¢€“ began to publish extensive stories about the case. Even the current US President Barack Obama, then a senator, wrote by email: À¢€œAs the father of two children, my heart goes out to the Goldman family.À¢€Â

  • pj

    Cont.
    David received US$150,000 from Brunaˢ۪s family

    Bruna BianchiÀ¢€™s parents and the Lins e Silva family have not spoken publicly about the casae due to secrecy of Justice required in family court cases. Documents À¢€“ amongst them a statement written by Bruna after the separation and sent to the Supreme Court of New Jersey, where there was another case pending for the boyÀ¢€™s custody À¢€“ shows that the so-called fairy tale had in fact ended. After her sonÀ¢€™s birth, Bruna complained about the burden of working to single-handedly sustain her family. Fluent in Italian, she taught at a school and was responsible for all of the bills in her home.

    The statement reads: À¢€œRight after I began teaching full-time, my husband and I began to sleep in separate rooms, since I was always exhausted and he wanted to stay awake. Also, at the time, our intimate relationship, physically speaking, came to an end (À¢€¦). During the three years that I taught at Saint John VianneyÀ¢€™s, some of my husbandÀ¢€™s behavior disappointed me. First he lost interest in getting a full-time job. He tried to become a real estate agent, but quickly lost interest. After that he got a license to operate a fishing boat (À¢€¦). Once again, he was incapable of making enough money and the weight of sustaining our family fell heavily on me and my family.À¢€Â

    In the last four years, Goldman accused the family of never allowing him to visit the boy. The family denies this.

    À¢€œMy father even offered to pay for the plane ticket for David to come to Brazil. But he refused to use it. He never mentions this type of detail in interviews,À¢€Â affirms Luca Bianchi, BrunaÀ¢€™s brother.

    À¢€œDavid received donations on his website, as well as selling shirts, hats, and mugs with the face of the boy on them. He is exploiting the image of his own child for monetary gain.À¢€Â

    Indignation is rife in the family. According to Maria Augsuta Carneiro Ribeiro, Brunaˢ۪s aunt, in a message sent on the Internet, David made a deal right after the divorce.

  • pj

    Goldman case
    Dispute for child was motivated by money

    Brazilian family accuses American father of never visiting his son and of using his image to make money

    Seated before reporter Meredith Vieira, one of the hosts of the À¢€œDatelineÀ¢€Â show, from NBC in the United States, the American ex-model David Goldman emotionally told his story. He married Bruna Bianchi of Rio de Janeiro in December 1999 and went on to live a fairy tale with À¢€œthe girl from Ipanema.À¢€Â They lived in New Jersey and the coupleÀ¢€™s routine revolved around their son, born five months after their marriage. Everything seemed perfect until Bruna decided to travel o Brazil with her child for two weeks in June 2004. After arriving in Rio de Janeiro, she called her husband to inform him she was never going to return to the US. She wanted a separation. Bruna won custody of her son and remade her life. She remarried lawyer Joao Paulo Lins e Silva, got pregnant again and tragedy struck. She died after giving birth at 34 years old in August 2008.

    With his eyes filled with tears, Goldman clamored for help in front of the TV camera. He wants his son back. An hour long, the À¢€œDatlineÀ¢€Â show was completely devoted to David GoldmanÀ¢€™s story on January 30th. Showed on a national channel, the show was watched by 6.2 million Americans and became the high point of the campaign begun six months ago to recuperate custody of the boy. What began on a website became a diplomatic matter between Brazil and the United States. The issue was on the agenda during the meeting with Brazilian Minister of Foreign Relations Celso Amorim and American Secretary of State Hillary Clinton. During the American presidential campaign, then Senator Barack Obama sent an email promising to take on the case.

  • observer

    Ten Years After
    Everywhere is freaks and hairies
    Dykes and fairies, tell me where is sanity
    Tax the rich, feed the poor
    Till there are no rich no more

    Id love to change the world
    But I dont know what to do
    So Ill leave it up to you

    Population keeps on breeding
    Nation bleeding, still more feeding economy
    Life is funny, skies are sunny
    Bees make honey, who needs money, monopoly

    Id love to change the world
    But I dont know what to do
    So Ill leave it up to you

    World pollution, theres no solution
    Institution, electrocution
    Just black and white, rich or poor
    Them and us, stop the war

    Id love to change the world
    But I dont know what to do
    So Ill leave it up to you

  • Augustus

    92 ENTRIES CONTAINING INSULTING MESSAGES OVER THAT?????? RIDICULOUS
    With the world on the Brink of Complete Economic bankruptcy – most like the deepest DEpression EVER…
    With Maniacle ISLAMIC groups attacking inoncent people back and forth and plotting the descturciton of the Western world
    With Injustice in North Africa / Middle east whose Rulers of most countries go around with inpunity
    With a Criminal state of Israel dislodging palestinians from their homes and inculcrating FURTHER islamic hatred towards the Western world
    With poverty and injust in Brazil as well as the rest of the THIRD WORLD….
    ALL OF YOU ARE PILED UP HERE INSULTING ONE ANOTHER OVER THIS ABURD ISSUE????? IT’S AMAZING….

  • lisa and mike

    Costy, you’re a wretched, repulsive and dreadful excuse for a human being. You are truly an advocate for vulgarity. Unfortunately for you, I don’t think you’re offending anyone or pissing anyone off with your colorful antics. We’re all just laughing at you, and since you’re so predictable, we know you will add more bullshit here that means absolutely nothing. Yes, you should go to hell with Bruna.

  • Adriana A.

    Can you please,
    Congratulate the Brazilian Justice just once, and stop being so negative? Remember we need to focus on the positive and things will improve.
    All right I have to go now.
    See you guys later.

  • Hey ga, you forgot the “y” at the end of your name!
    Hehehe

    Costinha

  • Florist said À¢€œno matter how many people have died in my sights at warÀ¢€Â
    Isnˢ۪t he special???

    Riverdance your way over to the cooler a-rap-a-tap-tap and fetch me a cold one, pink marina b.i.t.c.h.!

    Costinha

    PS:

    Watch out, the David Goldman supporters off his own website are coming in rowsÀ¢€¦ trying to smother any other opinion not lined up with theirs.

    Since I donÀ¢€™t have any insecticide at hand, I am eating a lot of beans and will put my muffler to work. Here is my first oneÀ¢€¦

    (À¢€¦..oÀ¢€¦..)

    Poooooooooooooooooooffffffffffffffff. David supporters, did you get my drift?

  • Adriana A.

    Please people,
    Don’t spoil the movie 🙁

  • ga

    Hey Cos, no “D” is not demented. You’re the creature who responds to everyone’s thread here, just look at it yourself. You belong in hell with Bruna. 😉

  • Adriana A.

    Hooray For the Brazilian Justice!
    I hope this is just the beginning of justice being made through out the country.
    Now I am going to watch very closely the Brazilian Supreme justice chief -Am I saying it rigth?- Gilmar Mendes, demanding action on the case of the four men executed by the MST. God bless Mr. Mendes!

  • Justice

    Costinha and ch.c are pieces of dog dung who promote their communist juvenile activist ilk here. They are the reason why Brazil does not grow and take a more active role in the world. Ignorant and stupid is an understatement in their case.

    3rd party

  • forrest allen brown

    so 3 thinings will happen now
    after they were ordered to send him home .
    the brasilian way

    (1) he will get some illness and die and be buried real fast ,
    (2) he will be taken by someone and never found or held for ransom
    (3) a law suit will be filed on behalf of the brasilian family stating
    the the treaty was sign by a formor brasilian govnerment and does not apply to this case

    costa i said that quoat about brasil last year you have no original thought do you
    only babble ,
    and better to be a marine than a brasilian no matter how many people have died in my sights at war
    i could never kill as many people as brasilians have in peice in there home land

    long live the US Marine Corps
    AND TEXAS

  • ….

    Is “D” Demeted?
    This creature must scan this site 24/7. Just notice her responses a minute after I post mine. She has no lifeÀ¢€¦ Wow!

    Listen here, you fuc.king dork, I will put a loudspeaker to your ear and scream into it in a À¢€œDÀ¢€Â demented manner that will make John McEnroe seem quite and shy if you don’t get a fuc.king clue and start waving a tennis racket around instead of trying to catch the balls with your ass crack.

    You are a useless as tits on a boar hog.

    Yours truly,

    Costinha

  • Costinha

    No way, watch this. I’m going to post so much useless crap you’ll know I’m the biggest idiot.

    Wait for it…..

  • Costa

    No, me. I’m the bigger idiot.

  • Costinha

    Haha, I’m an idot too.

    http://www.bringseanhome.org

  • Costa

    I’m an idiot, please ignore me.

    http://www.bringseanhome.org

  • D

    That’s right, you said it…and Karma is GOOD!!!!
    Costinha, the ONLY sad thing is YOU! You have so much hatred and negativity in your soul that all you can do is spew it out on here. I can see you’re getting a real kick out of it too. Hey, whatever floats your boat. Again, regardless of what you say, and you sure have “nuff” to say, the truth is is that Sean belongs with his father who loves him more than any member of that other EVIL no-good family ever could…and they WILL be reunited. And after this ordeal is finally over, since you have alot of time on your hands, you shouldn’t have a problem finding another issue or cause to attack. You have fun now. 😉

  • ….

    Funny thing about americans
    Americans truly believe that if you repeat a lie enough times, it does become true, just like Disneyland!

    Hehehe

    Costa

  • ….

    Oh YesÀ¢€¦ Good Old Karma
    Definition:

    The concept of “action” or “deed” in Indian religions understood as that which causes the entire cycle of cause and effect.

    Hence the Yankees and their reputation around the world. Like the old sayinÀ¢€¦ À¢€œYou Made The Bed, Now Lay On It.À¢€Â

    Nuff said

    Costinha

    PS: I get the distinctive feelings that David Goldman is more about money then Sean, sad really.

  • read this
    read this, from Brasilian courts

    http://www.bringseanhome.org/sedh.html

  • observer

    John L.
    To everyone above:

    Imagine there’s no heaven
    It’s easy if you try
    No hell below us
    Above us only sky
    Imagine all the people
    Living for today…

    Imagine there’s no countries
    It isn’t hard to do
    Nothing to kill or die for
    And no religion too
    Imagine all the people
    Living life in peace…

    You may say I’m a dreamer
    But I’m not the only one
    I hope someday you’ll join us
    And the world will be as one

    Imagine no possessions
    I wonder if you can
    No need for greed or hunger
    A brotherhood of man
    Imagine all the people
    Sharing all the world…

  • D

    Wowsa, it makes sense that this person works for judges, we all know they’re all corrupted and dishonorable.

  • D

    Costinha, what did David Goldman PERSONALLY ever do to you???? If YOU had a child that was kidnapped by a spouse and taken to another country, you wouldn’t fight for that child?? Honestly, I couldn’t even imagine you having children with your disgusting behavior and foul mouth! You truly belong in that corrupted country. Here in the U.S., you wouldn’t stand a chance! You can say what you want and continue your useless jibberish banter, it will NEVER change the fact that Sean was KIDNAPPED by evil people, his mother died because of what she did, and his REAL father, David Goldman, WILL get him back! Remember, KARMA IS REAL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! 😛

  • TheTruth

    One can find arguments with every country. Stop being such an idiot.

    http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/4463010.stm

    http://www.brazzilmag.com/content/view/2979/53/

    You have no real argument here and you’re useless attempts at taking this story to other topics illustrates this perfectly.

  • wowsa

    oh my
    you work for a judge in Brasil. how perfect.

    secretaria.jurisprudencia@stj.jus.br

    secretaria.jurisprudencia@stj.jus.br

  • ….

    Most Corrupted Countries In The World?
    Link:

    [url]http://www.nytimes.com/2008/12/09/us/politics/10Illinois.html[/url]

    It would have been more profitable if he had put it on eBay, donˢ۪t you think?

    [b]Adriana:[/b] Those pictures are just a reminder of whom you are dealing withÀ¢€¦ The United States of Arms. Did you ever hear the expression À¢€œDonÀ¢€™t blame the messenger, blame the author of the message?À¢€Â

    [b]Bo(bÀƒ£o):[/b] No matter how many times and ways you say it, you still a convicted child mol.ester. In america, you would have been a jailhouse bride to someone!

    [b]Florist A$$ Brown:[/b] I knew them coward marine pics would attract youÀ¢€¦ If I was Picasso dazzling with daring color and stylish innovation, you would be the monkey throwing paint pots at the canvas.

    This entire story about Sean Goldman has been the most one sided clobbering since Rodney King meets Racist Cops in LA. I remain confident the Brasilian courts will do the right thing.

    Luv U all,

    Costinha

  • forrest allen brown

    some people just need killing
    no matter how bad it plays out on the news .
    so you got a few pic taken by US services eather news or military .
    at we dont hide it or denie it in the press or public .
    the US airs its dirty truth to the world while no one else does .
    we can laugh at ourselves and cry with others .

    and out courts may not be perfict but would rather have fair law than a bought one
    near honest police than ones owned by drug gangs or rich families .
    most people in the US respect the police and the laws while in brasil
    its a way to make money as even if yiou gert caught its a pay out and set free.

    the goldman people are good people as they are still going through the courts .
    i quit as i got tired of paying for some ones kids car or pravit school .

    i just pay brasilians to do for me what the brasilian courts and the US courts would not do
    taking away any thing thoes that took from me have homes , land , boats , cars , business , girl friends
    and i will keep it up till they die they will neve have a single good thing in life as long as i am alive them or
    there kids ,

    that is a good idea SEIT

  • Seit

    help
    Hi everyone, please send me viruses and porn links. K thanks

    secretaria.jurisprudencia@stj.jus.br

  • bo

    [quote]BobÀƒ£o, the sore looser who lost custody of his own kid for many reasons including, domestic violence. You are lucky you are not in the US, the cops would shipped your a.s.s. to jail a long time ago. BobÀƒ£o, either improve the quality of your insults or drool in silence.[/quote]

    LOL…oh Cocksta! You do make me laugh sometimes. Of all the lies and fake documents my ex showed in brazilian court during our hearing, and it wasn’t a hearing for custody by the way, I also was able to [b]PROVE [/b]that 80% of the things she stated were lies, that’s why EVERY SINGLE REQUEST I asked for was granted, and domestic violence was not one of them!

    Cocksta, this situation is a national embarrassment for Brazil. It exposes and shows the true corruption that exists in this country even to the point of being detrimental to the development and life of a child!! Unfortunately Brazil shows again and again that it is a country that supports criminals and allows and excepts gross violations of human rights to occur daily. What else can one say about a country that will not extradite one of it’s citizens if they commit a crime in another country? Brazil is a haven for crimals….just ask Ronnie Biggs. He enjoyed his 30 plus years in Brazil being on the “lam”. Scotland Yard personally came to Brazil to take him back to England to stand trial and Brazil simply wouldn’t allow them to take him……all because he got a prostitute in Rio pregannt……Go figure! At the end of the day he chose to go back to England to a prison hospital than to stay in Brazil a free man and attempt treatment at a public hospital in Rio!!! 😀

    Thank god for you Cocksta that you live in a country like Brazil fore if you lived in one that truly attempted to achieve justice you would’ve been in jail a long time ago.

  • cil

    I’m so ashamed of what is happening! This kid should be returned to his father since he is the only living parent he has. His wife was a bitch! That’s all. If something bad was happening she could have done things properly: call the cops, fill for custody and then, only then, live the country. The way she did it, even if something bad was happening, took her right into claiming anything.

    His wife aknowledged that he was a good father and husband as long as I know.

    However, be ware, we are talking about one of the most corrupted countries in the world. Here, politicians can steal people money (from government) and still walk around, show their faces in TV as if nothing has happened. So, if this man, who is heartless because he has a child too and should feel how hard it is to be without it, wants to remove the father’s name from the birth certificate, judging by the display of “justice” in brasil, he will do it. Remember people… our justice gave safe house for a Italian terrorist named Cesare Battisti, against what our people and the Italian government wanted… while sent back several Cuban boxers that stayed behind in brasil to have a better life than in Cuba… well, the Cubans were, after all, the real treat to this country.

    By the way, I want to say I don’t have anything against Americans. I had a really nice seven months in USA.

  • aes

    Ch.c : Ciao Switzerland
    What happened at UBS was no debacle but a “bad isolated case,” says Roth, who insists there is no reason to believe that banking secrecy no longer applies. He is opposed to doing away with banking secrecy. “Imagine a table with four legs: stability, competency, quality of life, banking secrecy. If you take away one leg, the table will wobble.”

    Worldwide criticism that Switzerland protects tax evaders has nothing to do with morals, says Roth, but is merely an argument in the competing world of global financial centers. In some states in the United States, such as Delaware, corporate structures exist that render a company’s owners practically invisible. Switzerland, on the other hand, says Roth, is a pioneer in the battle against money laundering, and the funds African dictators once deposited in Switzerland were returned long ago.

    “It is too short-sighted to say that there is a dirty little place in the world, Switzerland, and it has to be cleaned. We are not the bad guys in the world,” says Roth.

    These days, after all that has happened, the Swiss are trying to figure out how much sheltered money is being deducted at the moment and the amount that is still in the accounts. One newspaper put it at À¢‚¬270 billion. “Every number is speculation,” says Roth. “No one knows exactly what it is.”

    Der Spiegel on line.

  • aes

    Ch.c Switzerland is ‘kaput’
    With power distributed equally to seven ministers of four major parties, it has proven to be slow in crisis situations. “In case of fire you don’t send out seven firefighters in commanding rank and let them discuss what to do until the house is burned down,” says former ambassador Thomas Borer. “The Swiss governmental system is just not up to handling such a situation.”

    Swiss Finance Minister Hans-Rudolf Merz, 66, suffered from a heart attack in the autumn, and he still seems debilitated today. When journalists asked him last week why the government wasn’t acting more quickly, he angrily replied that he wasn’t appearing in some comedy act, but is part of a government that operates on a schedule. Now the government has appointed a strategy committee.

    However, banking secrecy is no longer a non-negotiable issue for the Swiss government. Over the weekend, Merz acknowledged that Switzerland would have to “compromise”. And both Justice Minister Eveline Widmer-Schlumpf and Foreign Minister Micheline Calmy-Rey, hinted that Switzerland might have to give up its protection of foreign tax evaders. Banks too are rethinking their position. Oswald GrÀƒ¼bel, the new head of UBS, said in an interview: “It’s questionable whether we can continue to hide tax evaders behind banking secrecy.” And even Geneva private banker Pierre Mirabaud, president of the powerful Swiss Bankers Association, said the country might “not necessarily” need to continue the practice.

    In truth, banking secrecy has already been watered down. The Swiss government has signed agreements with the European Union and the United States, and Switzerland now provides legal cooperation in tax fraud cases. It also remits withholding taxes on the interest and dividends associated with foreign assets to the EU each year. In 2007, this source of revenue amounted to À¢‚¬88 million ($110 million) for Germany alone.

    But Switzerland takes a different approach to cases involving ordinary tax evasion such as when a person merely conceals his income and does not falsify documents. This is not treated as a crime in Switzerland, but merely as a civil offence, not unlike a traffic violation. Swiss authorities so far only cooperate with foreign prosecutors in tax fraud cases, which means that common tax evaders are protected by bank secrecy laws.

    A proposed compromise is gradually gaining public support, even among politicians of pro-business parties, even though it still lacks a political majority. Under it, Switzerland could provide judicial assistance to foreign courts in the future in cases of ordinary tax evasion, only applying the old distinction between tax fraud and tax evasion to its own citizens. This would satisfy the key demand of international critics.

    But for Christian Levrat, the president of the Swiss Social Democratic Party, which has two seats in the government, this is not enough. He says that Switzerland must finally abandon its defensive position. In Levrat’s opinion, the country should dispense with the distinction between fraud and ordinary tax evasion, even for Swiss nationals, and it should assume a trailblazing role to eliminate tax havens worldwide instead of always reacting only when under pressure and then stonewalling. “We should be the advocate for a more moral world of finance,” he says.

    Because Britain’s Channel Islands and its Caribbean possessions are among the tax havens now in disrepute, it is somewhat peculiar for Prime Minister Brown to be so critical of Switzerland. Moreover, Swiss banks developed different business models years ago that now allow them to offer services in their customers’ home countries.

    Nevertheless, the Swiss still have the world’s largest offshore banking site for private customers. At the end of last year, À¢‚¬1.47 trillion ($1.84 trillion) in assets were deposited in Swiss banks, including about À¢‚¬450 billion belonging to private customers.

    The big question is: How important is banking secrecy to Switzerland’s prosperity? Social Democratic economist Rudolf Strahm, a member of parliament for 13 years and an opponent of banking secrecy, tends to be skeptical. “Its importance for the economy is greatly overestimatedÀ¢€”especially abroad,” he says. The banks, he adds, employ only 3 percent of the Swiss working population, and they are responsible for no more than about 8 percent of gross domestic productÀ¢€”in good years. Strahm estimates that value added would only decrease by 1 to 2 percent if protection for foreign tax evaders were lifted.

    Urs Philipp Roth, the director of the Swiss Bankers Association, is sitting in his office on Aeschenplatz Square in Basel. He gives the impression that nothing has happened.

  • Adriana A.

    Costinha
    Honestly, the pictures you posted are human shame. I don’t and can’t say which one is worse. The hopeless and helpless mother in Rio holding her dead son in her arms due to urban violence, or your pictures showing the misery of civilians in a needless war.

    These pictures are absolutely disgraceful.

    I don’t spend time and energy accusing or blaming. It is counter productive. I don’t focus on despair, I much rather focus on solutions. We protest war with violence, have you notice? If we want peace, we go to the streets and burn flags and break things? WTF? Do we use violence to bring about peace? These two words are opposite, they don’t resonate. Arguments backed by facts and Stats are more persuasive. And yes, love, kindness, true inttentions…

    It boils down to you! You do volunteer work outside this forum, but look how you behave in here. Is that an attitude of someone who is concern about justice or peace? You are capable of solid arguments but most of the time you looses it.

    Yes, I love United States, so what? But I am not an America, and never will be, and you know why? Because I personally don’t believe on that, it is not part of my philosophy. I belong to the world, I see the world and the people in it as a big family -That is why the pictures you posted touched me. And if tomorrow I decide to move to Congo, China, Chile, Canada…. will be for the same reasons that made me be here in US: love, respect, and support.

    Some other immigrants had bad experiences, but I don’t know what they were attracting to themselves. “Like attracts like”

  • aes

    Ch.c and the end of Switzerland as you know it.
    Normally, Thomas Borer tries to stay out of the public eye. But there are times, he says, when he can no longer contain himself, and this is one of them. For Borer, what is happening today is painful to him as a Swiss citizen. “You can certainly make a mistake once in a while,” he says, “but you cannot make the same mistake twice.”

    Borer served as Switzerland’s ambassador to Berlin at the start of the new millenium. In Germany, he was a part of the high society social circuit, and he regularly made headlines with his wife Shawne, a former “Mrs. Texas.” Irritated by coverage of Borer in the tabloids the Swiss Foreign Ministry stripped the ambassador of his posting, and he now works as a strategic consultant for Russian oligarch Viktor Vekselberg, and has an office overlooking Lake Zurich.

    He began his career in the 1990s, when he was called upon to represent his country in a crisis. Switzerland faced sharp criticism worldwide, because its banks were refusing to pay back the assets of the dormant accounts of Holocaust victims. The government was overwhelmed and gave in to its critics. It was not until late in the game that it installed a task force, which Borer headed. He appeared before the US Senate, where he explained Switzerland’s role in World War II, and he helped to negotiate a settlement between banks and plaintiffs that was worth billions.

    Switzerland is going through another crisis today. As happened in the 1990s crisis, the focus is on Swiss banks and, once again, the country is under considerable international pressure. This time even more is at stake, namely Switzerland’s principle of bank secrecy, a concept that is celebrated in spy thrillers and is part of the country’s identity, as much a clichÀƒ© as the Swiss watch and Swiss cheese.

    It came as a shock to the country when, on Feb. 18, major bank UBSÀ¢€”in a major breach of bank secrecy lawsÀ¢€”was forced to reveal the names of about 300 presumed tax evaders to the American tax authority, the Internal Revenue Service. To secure UBS’s compliance, the Americans had threatened to sue the bank in the United States. The Swiss Financial Market Supervisory Authority, fearing that such a trial would lead to the bank’s demise, invoked an emergency paragraph in the Swiss banking lawÀ¢€”only to end up revealing the names itself. By the time Switzerland’s Federal Administrative Court tried to stop the process, in response to objections filed by some accountholders, the data had long since arrived in the US.

    It appeared that Switzerland’s largest bank had deliberately encouraged American customers to commit tax fraud. In the settlement, UBS (UBS) was ordered to a pay a fine of $780 million (À¢‚¬624 million). Ironically, the bank that had always fought for bank secrecy laws had jeopardized them. Generations of Swiss finance ministers have repeatedly stressed that bank secrecy is “non-negotiable,” and yet every few years, responding to pressure, they would relax the country’s bank secrecy laws slightly. Now cash-strapped governments around the world see their opportunity to finally put an end to bank secrecy in order to gain access to information about tax evaders who had hidden their assets in Switzerland.

    Heads of state worldwide, including British Prime Minister Gordon Brown, French President Nicolas Sarkozy, and German Chancellor Angela Merkel, are now joining forces in the fight against tax havens, and they have set their sights squarely on Switzerland. The Organization for Economic Cooperation and Development (OECD) is considering adding Switzerland to a new blacklist of tax havens. The G-20 group of major industrialized nations demonstratively excluded Switzerland from its upcoming meeting in early April. In London, the British government is examining measures to penalize tax havens.

    Once again, Switzerland is in the hot seat. As in the past, the government in Bern has been passive on the issue for weeks, a position that has triggered criticism from all sides in Switzerland. And, once again, the Swiss government seems overwhelmed.

  • aes

    http://cspan.org/Watch/watch.aspx?MediaId=HP-R-16004 Ch.c it is the end of the criminality of the primary business of USB and Switzerland
    UBS not releasing more names in swiss tax havens
    Today

    Mark Branson, Chief Financial Officer for UBS Global Wealth Management, a Zurich-based firm that admitted to concealing U.S. accounts, told the Senate Homeland Security Cmte. today that it “has now done all that it can do to cooperate” with the IRS on U.S. clients assets in undisclosed Swiss bank accounts.

    http://cspan.org/Watch/watch.aspx?MediaId=HP-R-16004 CSpan.org

  • aes

    It is a done deal. He is going to be returned to his father. Clinton comes to Brazil and will speak directly to Lula about the matter. Obama comes to Brazil as well. He and his counter part will mark a new begining with the gesture. It is done, it has already been arranged.

  • good website À¢€“ Part 2
    Thanks The Half Truth-Full LieÀ¢€¦. Is Mr. Goldman still selling merchandise for a profit out of his website?

    You get ever more ridiculous with every word that comes tumbling out your c.o.c.k.-sucking mouth. Try again!

    Hugs,

    Costinha

  • More on american pride
    Be warnedÀ¢€¦ Some of these pictures are very shocking:

    [url]http://www.thememoryhole.org/war/iraqis_tortured/index2.htm[/url]

    Proud to be an american, Huh?

    Costa

  • TheTruth

    I know
    You’re welcome.

  • Costa

    good website
    http://www.bringseanhome.org is a great website with a ton of real information. How could I have been so blind. I must be an idiot. Please ignore anything else I say in this thread and my entire life. I love you TheTruth.

  • US Marine heroes in action!
    Be warnedÀ¢€¦ Some of these pictures are very shocking:

    http://www.thememoryhole.org/war/iraqis_tortured/

    Proud to be an american, Huh?

    Costa

  • TheTruth

    wtf
    Cockstinka, please stick to the topic at hand. War is trajic, but this isn’t the thread for that. I can show you graphic pictures from any country in the world but that doesn’t change the fact that Sean Goldman has been KIDNAPPED.

    You’re and idiot, you single handedly move people to David’s side. Lol.

    [b]www.bringseanhome.org[/b]

  • Be warnedÀ¢€¦ Some of these pictures are very shocking:

    [url]http://www.thememoryhole.org/war/gulfwar2/civilians.htm[/url]

    Proud to be an american, Huh?

    Costa

  • TheTruth

    lol
    Wow, seems someone is really caught up on the fact that David is Jewish. Fact is, most people have no idea nor do they care. Are you a Hitler fan? You sound like it.

    Masculinity? What are you talking about? At least stick to the argument and stop your delusional rants.

    Bruna’s death has changed the argument and this is the reason it has garnered international attention. Bottom line, Brasil should have lived up the Hague Convention on Child Abduction it agreed to with many other nations years ago. Now that Bruna has died we are on a whole new set of circumstances. [b]KIDNAPPERS[/b]

  • Adriana A.

    I wrote a paper for my class comparing Marcelo’s picture with Bellini’s “Pieta”
    http://www.abcgallery.com/B/bellini/bellini69.html

  • Adriana A.

    Jakob, Marcelo Carnaval won “Premio Esso”-2006 for the picture of the engineer murdered in Rio. Is called “Engenheiro Morto no Centro” (I hope the link works)
    http://www.premioesso.com.br/site/images/popup/concorrentes/2006/ENGENHEIRO_MORTO_CENTRO.jpg

  • lejos del usa 6

    Lets be Objective
    This is the son of a usa jewish residnt–how many children are in international disputes in the usa?? you don’t hear about these–but–you heat about this one–because jewish usa residents are the most powerful usa political group–I saw the usa network report where Hillary Clinton walked into the closng doors with her counter part from Brasil–one voice asked a quesiton regarding the case here–nothing else was asked–this is powerful symbolism–I asked my self–how many other usa children in international custody disputes are in front of Hillary clinton?? teh answer is obvious–none–why?? they are not usa jewish residents–Brasil is a nation where they take sovreignty & nationality very serious–& usa people are very naive regarding international culture & who controls usa peoples own culture–this boy would be far better off in Brasil–why?? in Brasil–men are masculine–boys are taught to be masculine–& women respect men as head of the family–a condition which no longer exists in the usa–in usa–women steal mens jobs–women “marry” women & women try to raise sons with no husband or father in the house–whicch results in the loss of masculinity–as no woman alone can teach a son normal masculineity–as they are not men—they are women–such a loss of normal masculinity has shosw the usa future to be a weka one–in Brasil–men are respected–valued–& so is the masculinity–this boy will be reduced to a sissy if he is returned into the usa life–I hope the men of Brasil stand behind thier soverignty national pride & masculinity & keep this boys–who is Brasilero–in Brasil–where he can learn normal life & meet normal–sensual–feminine–Brasileras–instead of selfish loud mouth usa feminists who don’t even cook for the children–if you desire proof–google the usa jewish feminsits–GLORIA ALLRED & LORI BERENSON– see what they promote–these are facts –analyze tehm–read them–but you canot refute them–suerte

  • oopsydaisy

    He is the FATHER!
    I could understand that when the child’s mother was still alive, she wanted to fight for her son’s custody. But, now that she has past away, what’s the problem here? I don’t get it. It’s not the first time I heard about these bizarr custody cases coming out of Brazil. Many I know had nothing to do with Americans, but with men from countries all over the world. I have great impression about Brazil including the country and the people. I just hope they will improve their legal system, so nothing like this will ever happen again.

  • Jakob Sheeskabab
    Brasil is a brutal country, huh??? Recent IraqÀ¢€™s body countÀ¢€¦ 99, 245 innocent civilians among children, men, women and old folks. ThatÀ¢€™s an american achievement to be real proud of it, ainÀ¢€™t?

    Mr. Sheeskabab, your argument is laughable at best, considering the sourceÀ¢€¦ The american crusaders have no credibility left, not just in Brasil, but anywhere in the world. The US is best known for their deception, executions, assassinations, torture, invasions and so on. Americans are dumb, and everybody knows it, what else can I expect from you?

    BrutalÀ¢€¦ Did you say? Who is going be bombed next, Iran, North Korea, Venezuela or Cuba? America, you are looking more and more pathetic every day!

    Come on nowÀ¢€¦ Mr. Sheeskabab says À¢€œI will smack him/her,À¢€Â Now then, thatÀ¢€™s keyboard command talk. You are Jewish-American gayman, the only thing you will smack is some oneÀ¢€™s monkey!

    [b]Mr. Half-a-Truth is a Whole Lie[/b]À¢€¦ If you are not a dirty ugly american then I must assume that youÀ¢€™re a À¢€œcorno boiola!À¢€Â

    Returning to the topic at hand, Seanˢ۪s future is up to the Brasilian judicial system, without the interference of any american crusader. I just hope, the boy stays in Brasil with the only family he knows.

    God mess and slave Amerika,

    Costinha

  • TheTruth


    Actually Cockstinka I am from Brasil. Born and raised in what many would consider upper class. You have no argument here, you throw out baseless facts and nonsense. I can tell you are not a parent, you exist only to argue on the internet because you are too weak and shy to argue in your real life. You try to play this as a Brasil vs. USA thing when it is clearly not. I suppose you have never been to the US? They are a true melting pot of many nationalities with many views. I suppose you are too lazy to research the Elian Gonzalez case and see that the USA returned a child to Cuba (a communist country with which they have no ties) because it was the right thing to say.

    I am ashamed that Brasil is becomming known as the child kidnappers haven of the world, I truely am. Sean should be returned to his only father in his true homeland, the USA.

    Keep posting under 400 different names, we know you have no life. You are also helping David’s cause because people can easily see you are crazy.

  • João da Silva

    Adriana A
    [quote]Wake up and smell the coffee,[/quote]

    Amen!
    Cheers. 😉

  • jakob

    A self-devouring country
    Also, Brazil is a self-consuming (actually self-devouring) country. Everybody is talking about the good macroeconomic picture that Brazil enjoys nowadays, but this is for folks who don’t know what is going on. Crime rates are increasing, year after year. Crimes are ever more barbarous and vicious. Dishonesty and unethical behaviour is rampant. It is ever more difficult to do business in Brazil, because your competitors can simply pay R$ 100 to the first mendigo (beggar) on the street to blow your brains out, so no more competition from you. Heck, even if you have a common discordance with a colleague on your work, you can expect somebody to blow your brains out soon (the famous case from the last year, an engineer in the Centro of Rio) – so you cannot even work properly in Brazil.

    I would go on and on. Long story short, what I see, is a society/country falling apart in any and all respects. I cannot think of one single variable that is improving in Brazil.

  • jakob

    A brutal, bestial country
    This is just one more example of how Brazil and its society operate. Basically, every assumption that you have of how things should function, you can throw out the window at the moment you step on Brazilian soil.

    I lived in Brazil for a couple of years, and it is a brutal country. Hence these behaviours (child kidnappings, heinous crimes …) that you read in the news – it’s “business as normal” in Brazil. Families there operate as clans united in crime – one example is this Lins and Silva family, where, if you are rich and influential, common law does not apply to you. Any dissention from the view of your family must be stamped out, by assasination if necessary.

    If anybody ever tells me again, “mas o povo brasileiro e tao hospitaleiro”, I will smack him/her right in the face. A brutal, brutal country.

  • Adriana A.

    I know this is off topic but since we’re talking about little boys, take a look on this four-year-old boy that saved his mom by calling 911
    http://cosmos.bcst.yahoo.com/up/player/popup/?rn=3906861&d=12324280&ch=4226713&src=news

  • Adriana A.

    I’m just curious
    Does anyone here know if the boy speak English? Or if the father speak Portuguese? He is an eight-year-old right? But usually the upper-class in Rio speak English. I wonder if the family kept speaking his native language with him.

  • Do You Know What Though?
    You can all whine and b.i.t.c.h. all you wantÀ¢€¦ The final decision is up to the Brasilian Supreme Court, and it will stand.

    I can live with that,

    Costinha

  • Bob Smith

    from a Brazilian
    Come on nowÀ¢€¦. With a name like À¢€œItalo Sessegolo,À¢€Â Brasilian?

    Yeah right, and the Pope is JewishÀ¢€¦ Get a freaking life, idiot!

    Costa

  • a supporter…
    And you sources are??? Oh, I see, CNN, NBC, and who else?

    A supporter, the misinformed.

    Costinha

  • D Demented
    I love you too, honey. May God bless you!

    Next,

    Costinha

    Hehehe

  • João da Silva

    [quote]and you forgot the sha of iran !!!!!![/quote]

    Who forgot the Shah of Iran and why did they do it? BUT…..BUT….. what has the good Shah got to do with Sean Goldman? The whole thing is confusing and you seem to be diverting the issue under discussion by bringing in post WW I history.

    [quote]A word on France : they gave asylum to Khomeini…years earlier. Then from Neufle le Chateau where he resided he helped
    the newer revolution with France help. but France also champion of double games double face shoot in their own rear. [/quote]

    Wholeheartedly agree with you about the French. That is the reason I have been warning you about this fellow Sarko for months. 😉 😀

    Now Professor, what is [i]your[/i] solution for this case ?

  • Italo Sessegolo

    from a Brazilian
    I’m from Brazil and I am ashamed from the lawlessness of the country. It is tipycal , though – the powerful are always above the law, and I am not surprised the Rio’s courts and newspapers cater to them.

    However, unlike some other readers suggested, this is not something that the Brazilian government is orchestrating or supporting. The judicial branch is independent in Brazil, as it is in the US, and there is little the Executive branch can do about it. It is now up to the Brazilian supreme court. Up until now it has been in the hands of local courts which are very much beholden to the powerful and rich. People in the US seem to expect that all courts everywheere else in the world follow the same high standards that US courts follow. I still have hope in the Brazilian supreme court though.

  • a supporter

    Everyone should stop complaining and realize that a family is being torn apart. It was bad enough that this child lost his father once but it’s worse now that his mother is gone the people who are supposed to care about him are keeping him from his only living parent.
    If you want the truth all you have to do is look to the court documents in both Brazil and the US. Bruna never onced accused David of being anything other than a good and loving father. There are recorded conversations of her saying this and court records of the same thing. The money paid by her parents was so they would be able to unfreeze their American assests. It is not uncommon in international abductions for one party to freeze the assests of the other. They paid him to have their names taken off the complaint in US courts for the kidnapping of Sean. Also, for the person above, we have no state controlled media in the United States. We were founded on freedom of speech and as hard as the government tries sometimes they can’t always control the media.
    This is not a case of the US v. Brazil; it is a story of a father fighting some very powerful people in Brazil to have his son returned. No matter how hard he tries he will always be at a disadvantage because of the status of the step father and grandparents. That being said, what is right will prevail now that the real facts have finally been made public. Thank you to Jackie Greenberg for writing this; it’s good to know that their are people out there who care about the truth.

  • D

    Costinha, besides being full of shit, you’re also full of metaphors. You must have alot of time on your hands. Here’s the interesting this…we know that not all Brazilians are as horrible as you are. David and Sean Goldman support is right on…you are heartless! That is clearly why you can so easily spew out words that mean nothing. 😉

  • ch.c.

    continued…on the Shah of Iran…..
    They were the ones buying mansions in Florida, New York and California….not Switzerland ! They could not anyway. Non residents foreigners cant buy residential real estate except in the mountains resorts ! sorry….buddy !
    Ohhh I worked then for Merrill Lynch as a broker. Is that firm a Swiss bank…to your knowledge ? smiles 😉
    And who IN YOUR VIEW U.S. brokerage firms and U.S. banks hired IN A HURRY in those days ?
    WHOEVER IRANIAN THAT WAS WELL CONNECTED WITH FAMILIES CLOSE TO THE SHAH REGIME …OF COURSE !

    LETS FACE IT BUDDY. AMERICA ALWAYS PRETEND THEY WANT DEMOCRACY IN OTHER COUNTRIES SUCH AS CUBA.
    BUT THEY DEFEND THE DICTATORS IN AFRICA, MIDDLE EAST…BUT ONLY WHERE OIL AND MINERALS ARE PLENTIFUL !
    Well known fact…as you should know !

    HERE ARE A FEW FACTS ON THE SHAH, not from my imagination :
    “In 1953 the United States played a significant role in orchestrating the overthrow of Iran’s popular Prime Minister, Mohammed Massadegh. The Eisenhower Administration believed its actions were justified for strategic reasons; but the coup was clearly a setback for Iran’s political development. “
    “Under the direction of Kermit Roosevelt, Jr., a senior Central Intelligence Agency (CIA) officer and grandson of former U.S. President Theodore Roosevelt, the American CIA and British Secret Intelligence Service (SIS) funded and led a covert operation to depose Mossadegh with the help of military forces loyal to the Shah. This plan was known as Operation Ajax. The plot hinged on orders signed by the Shah to dismiss Mossadegh as prime minister and replace him with General Fazlollah Zahedi, a choice agreed on by the British and Americans.”
    And what happened next…when the Shah was ill ?
    “He was offered treatment in Switzerland but insisted on treatment in the United States.
    On October 22, 1979, at the request of David Rockefeller, President Jimmy Carter reluctantly allowed the Shah into the United States to undergo medical treatment”

    Not over :
    “The Iranian government demanded the return of the Shah to Iran to stand trial; the American government refused to turn him over.”

    HEY HEY ON AMERICA PEOPLE MUST TRUST :
    “This resulted in the storming of the U.S. Embassy in Tehran, and the kidnapping of American diplomats, military personnel and intelligence officers, which soon became known as the Iran hostage crisis. According to the Shah’s book, Answer to History, in the end the USA never provided the Shah any kind of health care and asked him to leave the country.”

    Typically AMERICAN STYLE…was it not ?
    Why dont you get more knowlegable before finger pointing someone ?

    Same for Iraq with Saddam Hussein ! Short memory as usual…AMERICA ?
    Who helped him gain power ? who armed him ? Who financed him ?
    AMERICA AND EUROPE ! SHORT MEMORY AS USUAL ? Short memory of the well known taped meeting, made public, with the U.S. Ambassador in Iraq and Saddam, where the U.S.
    Ambassador “assured” Saddam that America would not intervene if there is a problem with a neighbor ?
    (Saddam was also fully indebted with most Arabs nations, since HE WAS the soldier at the Fronline to protect America, Europe and other oil producing nations….to avoid the “apparent” Iran invasion fears.)
    That meeting was in June 1990, which gave the confort and freedom for Saddam to invade Kuwait in early August 1990 !
    (Kuwait weeks earlier refused to cancels loans made to Iraq)

    Who renegated their “assurance” later ? Just go back to your own newspapers medias. It is all in black and white !
    And reality was that America was already preparing the first Iraq war…..many months before Iraq EVEN invaded Kuwait.

    Who betrayed who ? Who cheated who….as usual ?

    Once more…..just go back to your own newspapers medias.It is all there !

    Ohhhh and about your World Best Managed Company ! GE ! right ?
    In 18 months stock went from 45.- to 6.-
    Did they used their jet turbines to propel them there ?
    Powerful turbines !
    Hopefully they can read their own manual how to use the reverse power !

    Ohhh buddy just a short indiscretion : did you read above the name of General Zahedi ? Welll…one of his son was hired as broker at Merrill Lynch after the Shah was ousted. He was seating not far from me just for info and was a very nice guy.

    WHY WAS HE HIRED IN YOUR VIEW ???????? Laughs !
    When he was in Iran he was a saleman at Procter Gamble in Iran…selling pampers…and then hired as a broker as I said !

    Enjoy anyway !!!!
    😀 😉 😀 😉 😀 😉 😀 😉 😀 😉

  • À¢€œyou’re sooooo not worth itÀ¢€¦À¢€Â By the way, are you gay?
    Nothing worse then an ugly assless American transvestite. Get away from me horrible one, but I think BobÀƒ£o will take you in.

    May Your Bollocks Turn Cubical And Fester At The Corners.

    Hugs,

    Costinha

  • ch.c.

    and you forgot the sha of iran !!!!!!
    sorry Buddy….just look who helped him at his throne !
    AMERICA, FRANCE ! Short memory ?
    And who let him go down ?
    AMERICA, FRANCE ! Short memory again ?
    You should review your own history…FIRST !
    A word on France : they gave asylum to Khomeini…years earlier. Then from Neufle le Chateau where he resided he helped
    the newer revolution with France help. but France also champion of double games double face shoot in their own rear.
    After Khomeini went back triomphant as the new religious leader……he made many terrorists bombings…in Paris !

    Just go to the archives of your own newspapers medias. It is all there. Nothing come from my fertile imagination.
    in America people should trust. Right ? Wrong !
    Ohhhhh and where went most of the wealthy Iranians connected to the Shah regime after the revolution with billions and billions of US dollars ?
    Switzerland or America.
    Answering Switzerland would confirm you are still quite young and not lived this chapter.
    Most went to AMERICA.
    They were the shoppers of luxury goods in Rodeo Drive, Beverly Hills.
    Even today there is still an Iranian shop in that street : BIJAN ! On appointment only…for shopping !

  • Oh yeahÀ¢€¦ nothing juicier then McDonaldÀ¢€™s Fries!
    Me living in the US???? Oh yeah, sureÀ¢€¦ I am moving from Rio to Detroit, soonÀ¢€¦ Hehehe!

    These god damned americans are really arrogant. Let me tell you something À¢€œGreat Turd Farrell:À¢€Â I know that besides sucking c.o.c.k.s., you are the reason why do geneticists say daughter/father marriages are a bad idea.

    Reading that post of yours is like being viciously assaulted by a perfumed parakeet in a goddamned Parisian bordello.

    You are now cordially invited to bite me.

    Costinha

    Hehehe

  • David and Sean Goldman supporter

    Continha, how could I have broken your heart if you are already HEARTLESS! You should come over here and try to piss on me. You will have HUNDREDS OF THOUSANDS and thousands of people to piss on because we are ALL SUPPORTERS of David and Sean Goldman. You make the evil lins eSilva’s look like candy! This will be my last response to your “trash” jibberish, you’re sooooo not worth it. I’m certain you love to waste your time going back and forth…go ahead, have fun. Whatever gets you off. 😉

  • CHC…
    I luv U man

    Costa

  • Teena TitiesÀ¢€¦.
    Go back to the barn and feed the pigsÀ¢€¦ Questions?

    Costinha

  • These grandparents were involved in Sean’s kidnappingÀ¢€¦ Oh, really?
    This À‚½ Truth is a Whole Lie. What about the US$150K paid in cash to Mr. David Goldman by the grandparents of Sean? There are a lot more to this story then Mr. David Goldman lead us to believe!

    Mr. Self-Proclaimed À¢€œThe Truth,À¢€Â Shut your mouth because you donÀ¢€™t know all the facts but what you heard on your state-controlled american media. Let me seeÀ¢€¦ Next, you gonna tell us you are the Messiah himself, right?

    BobÀƒ£o, the sore looser who lost custody of his own kid for many reasons including, domestic violence. You are lucky you are not in the US, the cops would shipped your a.s.s. to jail a long time ago. BobÀƒ£o, either improve the quality of your insults or drool in silence.

    À¢€œDavid and Sean Goldman supporter,À¢€Â ohhhh, you really brake my heart! If I want to hear from a rat-faced tard-popsicle, I’ll either spit raw flem at you or waltz over there and piss on you. Until then, stick your head into your infected mange and let the stench knock you out!

    Florist, with that broken English of yours I am starting to think that you are not american. Anyways, go take a pre-requisite of the pre-requisite of the pre-requisite of English 101, so that maybe, I can understand what you are barking about. Now then, go chew on your bone and be quite.

    Love you all,

    Costinha

  • Adriana A.

    correction
    It will be solved fast

  • Adriana A.

    Wake up and smell the coffee,
    Brazilian man and woman, and American man and woman. Or I should say foreigners!

    I always tell my friends -Brazilian/American man and woman- be aware of the cultural differences and barriers, they are huge. Both sides have great cultural expectations on each other. I know some sad stories about that, and some are similar to David and Bruna. however, there is exception.

    Before people here jump to conclusions about my comment -which is so common on this forum- I know that cultural explanations don’t justify Bruna’s action. But I can’t help to wonder if she didn’t feel the cultural pressure on her shoulders and acted out in bad steriotypical “Brazilian Way”.

    I also read that Amorin told Hilary when asked about the case that he believed it would be solved fast, since it is now under federal court rather than a family court, and that the federal court decisions take in consideration international conventions.
    Good luck on that one!

  • Teena

    Great article! It is so refreshing to read the truth! And whoever wrote about the writes of the Grandparents you are a nut job! The Grandparents didn’t and don’t care about David’s rights as a father so as far as I am concerned they no longer have any rights to Sean. All they have done is brainwashed him and filled his head with lies anyway!

  • bo

    [quote]Would the american courts uphold the decision of the Brasilian courts? I think not, and thatÀ¢€™s where the problem isÀ¢€¦ because the biological grandparents may never see their grandson ever again once he departs to the US.[/quote]

    What custody rights do grandparents have over grandchildren Cocksta? Especially when one of the PARENTS is alive! NONE.

    [quote] Look at the case of the american Legacy pilots and the tragedy of the GOL airliner. Those murders will never come to Brasil to face the courts, with the blessings of the american government.[/quote]

    They were acquitted in a brazilian court as well Cocksta….thank god. Yet another embarrassment for this country. Radar that doesn’t work, blind spots, communication completely cuts out as a matter of commonplace, over the very area where the crash happened and ole Pampers Pires states within 2 hours that it was the fault of the GRINGOS!!! 😀

  • TheTruth

    ch
    ch.c, you’re an idiot. Plain and simple. Go write your crazy scriblings on your padded cell. Thank you.

  • David and Sean Goldman supporter

    Costinha and ch.c,

    You two obviously are as heartless as the lins eSilva’s, Bruna, Bruna’s parents, her terrorist aunt and oglobo! This is solely about a loving and caring father whose son was abducted by his Brazilian wife. Her death was simply KARMA for doing so. As they say, what goes around comes around and they will all get theirs in some form or another for keeping Sean from his father. Are you two also on the Lins eSilva’s payroll??? Wall Street, the economy, etc. have NOTHING to do with the real issue here! Regardless of whether there is a little more to the story, this should have NEVER happened, Sean belongs with his father David Goldman and the Lins eSilva’s and Bruna’s parents are kidnappers, plain and simple, who have broken laws and are EVIL people! 🙁

  • aes

    O’globo is not a ‘newspaper’ it is a novella in print. The story is reminiscent of the Swiss Train Station Skin Head Mutilation story.
    Brazilians have a self fulfilling inferiority complex. QED the press feeds it, arouses it, incites it. It it seems a drug, an addiction in place of the hopelessness and drudgery of the life of the millions of the ‘unwashed’.

    Yeh that pseudo Ch.c rant is so lacking in erudation that it shouts the ranting of a troll.

  • bo

    [quote]Thatˢ۪s a pathetic unethical form of american journalism!
    written by ch.c., March 04, 2009 [/quote]

    LMAO….that wasn’t ch.c that made that post…it’s plain to see.

    Costa, how does it feel to be such a huge piece of shit? 😀

  • bo

    [quote]This due process is a Brasilian internal affair and frankly, none of the US government nor the US mediaˢ۪s business. [/quote]

    The hell if it isn’t the U.S.’s business….you ignorant idiot Costa! This case should have NEVER been heard in Brazil in the first place! Obviously you and many of your judges don’t give a rats ass about Brazil’s participation in the Hague. But not surprising Costa. Brazilians like you are what give this country a bad name.

  • forrest allen brown

    (want to be chc ) i beleive yours is more based on greed not blood
    money is the main cause in all your rant .

    blood is not held to greed but love or the lack there of .

    and you forgot the sha of iran ,

    but then look to your swiss banks holding all the gold from the jews sence ww2
    and still not letting it go till they provide papers that are imposible to get

  • ch.c.

    Thatˢ۪s a pathetic unethical form of american journalism!
    For once I also applaude Costinha ! Really I do !
    What America says is right…the world must shut up…and follows what America says !

    It happens that America is the World Center of ALL SCAMS. Be it from their individuals or their junk governments leaders.

    – Short memory on the WMD in Iraq ? Lot of noise and promises as per their CIA. Great “Intelligence” wasnt it. But more silently…it was America who launched thousands of missiles…..the world over….filled with toxic debts. Sadly for them…60 % imploded at home….! Ohhhh every explosive head was worth…ONE BILLION U.S. DOLLARS !!!!!!
    – Short memory with Madoff ? Total impunity for decades. He was even found CLEAN by the SEC auditors. And this despite theya were warned and alerted moire than once over the years. Not only by Markopoulos but also by an article in Barron’s already in 2001. Eventually Ohhlala should name the SEC to audit the U.S. Government budgets !
    – Short memory on the actual Stanford PONZI scheme ?
    – Short memory on Refco…who went bankrupt ? Same for Lehman…..by the way ! Many others avoided bankruptcies because some banks were told to take them over and later getting government financings anyway. As Roubini stated they just took 2 drunk people and created 1 double drunker !
    – And AIG, who acted like a HEDGE FUND FOR DECADES…as per Bernanke OWN WORDS….YESTERDAY ?
    – And Fannie Mae, Freddie Mac even much bigger cheaters for years and years ?
    – Short memory on Worldcom, Enron, Tyco…just to name a few ? Not small or medium size market capitalization firms by any means.
    – Short memory on the techno bubble created by Wall Street ?
    – Short memory on the oil bubble also created by Wall Street ?
    – Short memory on all the other commodities bubbles created by Wall Street ?
    – Short memory on the Credit Rating Agencies who still had an investmnent grade rating on Lehman debts….24 hours before they went BANKRUPT ?
    – Short memory on the trillionSSSS dollars of U.S. SUBPRIME mortgage FOR INDIVIDUALS AND FIRMS…THAT WERE…ALLOWED TO BE…IN BANKS OFF BALANCE SHEETS…WITH WASHINGTON POLITICIANS, IRS, REGULATORS BLESSINGS ?????? Ohhh and RATED TRIPLE A by U.S. rating agencies…of course…at the time of these toxics debts issuance ! So that pensions funds in the USA could legally buy these worthless papers.
    – Short memory that America protects and provide asylum to 2 ex Bolivians Presidents ?

    Ohhhh sure……America is always right ! Yesssss…ALWAYS PRECISELY WRONG..AS PROVEN ABOVE !
    And they want to continue to dictate the World what is right or wrong !
    They better copy other and better countries models.
    America double their country debts or more….EVERY DECADE OR LESS ! And they insist that they are better managed than others !
    ALSO just look at their infrastructure CURRENT STATE, healthcare systems, general education, High costs for students going to University, medium prices homes made with cardboxes, quality of their cars !
    And also about their popular canteens for poors, food stamps ! But they have an annual defense budget of US$ 534 billion !
    And in full fears when Russia or China spend less than 1/10th than America for their defense budgets.
    And despite this massive army budget they cant win Afghanistan war…on the 6th year.
    They even did not win against….SOMALIA !!!!!!! LAUGHS…LAUGHS…LAUGHS !
    DID NOT WIN EITHER IN VIETNAM !!!!!!
    WHAT A BUNCH OF FAT LOSERS FED WITH HORMONES MEATS !!!!
    Sorry…sorry….but America is NOT a developed nation. Not even close from it !
    They are a bunch of arrogant cow boys and act like arrogant cow boys.
    What else can losers do ?

  • TheTruth

    Ah, Costinha
    You seem very misinformed on this case. Have you been getting your info from O Globo maybe?

    Sean was born in the US, kidnapped by his mother to Brazil. His father (David, there is only one father) has been trying to get him back ever since. The mother has died, leaving David as his only living parent. What is so hard to understand about this? Grandparents have no claim to someone’s children, what kind of craziness is that. These grandparents were involved in Sean’s kidnapping. David has always been a good father, this fact has been acknoledged by the now deceased mother.

    You are making this into a Brazil vs the US thing which it is not. This is a father/son thing and there is only one way for it to end.

    Take your hate mongering elsewhere and get informed.

  • Jackie GreenbergÀ¢€¦ Take a Chill Pill sista!
    There is truth on both sides of this story which none of us really know, as the Brasilian courts are trying to mitigate and ascertain the case. This due process is a Brasilian internal affair and frankly, none of the US government nor the US mediaˢ۪s business.

    Have you seen the piece on CNN on behalf of Mr. David Goldman, how biased and one sided that really was? Thatˢ۪s a pathetic unethical form of american journalism!

    It is typically american always to jump into wrong conclusions and make huge leaps of absurd assumptions. And what really bothers me most about americans, it is your tendency to think that our blood is somehow cheaper then yours, and that you always have the righteous truth. This is the very reason that makes americans popular worldwide.

    In principle, I believe that the child should remain under the custody of their biological parents, Mr. David Goldman in this case. However, there is much more to this story then any of us out here really know.

    Perhaps, the fair conclusion in this case would be shared custody of the child, between Mr. Goldman and the biological grandparents. Say, the kid lives with the father most of the year in the US, but spends every summer with his grandparents in Brasil.

    This kid has suffered long enough, the initial separation from his father, the death of his mother, and now uprooting this child once againÀ¢€¦ isnÀ¢€™t this enough?

    The other question that pertains to this case isÀ¢€¦ Would the american courts uphold the decision of the Brasilian courts? I think not, and thatÀ¢€™s where the problem isÀ¢€¦ because the biological grandparents may never see their grandson ever again once he departs to the US. Look at the case of the american Legacy pilots and the tragedy of the GOL airliner. Those murders will never come to Brasil to face the courts, with the blessings of the american government.

    I rest my case,

    Costinha

  • sage

    jackie greenberg
    another biased us zionist bimbo w/ her head up her rear end. she may want to address
    a similar letter to fox news & most of the corporate/zionist controlled news media in
    the us that also engage in slander & malice.

    sounds similar to the case of the cuban boy in miami many years back. let the brazilian
    court system decide this case.

  • João da Silva

    Ch.c
    I do not want to deviate from the main topic. BUT……BUT…….I think your real ID is Prof.Igor Panarin. 😉 😀

  • ch.c.

    OGlobo is a joke
    Yessssss and Nooooo !
    It is just a public window of the Disinformation and Propaganda dept at the Palacio in the Planalto, Brasilia, occupying the full floor, next to the President Office (whoever the president is…by the way).

    Their Job ?
    Feed the crowd with big fanfare on sensational news.
    So that the crowd has something to talk about…and not look or talk where they should not :
    stats manipulations, corruptions at all levels, total incompetency, where and how the collected tax money goes and how it is spreaded, real unemployment rate, slave alike working conditions, impunity, never find who the death squads are, police killings, real poverty rate, crimes rate, abductions, sex with minors, street children, education, healthcare, infrastructures, votes buying, rapes of women…just to name a few !!!!!

    Because even when articles are published with big fanfare on the above subjects to feed the crowd, then without fanfare the people involved get away of all penalties, jail terms, fines, etc etc !!!!!!
    imple as that.

    This is called….DIVERTION OF ATTENTION !!!!

    Are Brazilians not saying…. in Brazil everything ends up in Pizzas anyway ??????

    Ohhhh did you know that after each Senate meeting, all senators are obliged to get an indigestion of Pizzas ??????
    Offered by the PT senators…for the time being !
    And still not enough to reduce their inventories ?
    😮

    Dont worry, in Washington they have the same problem. Each senator, lower or upper house member
    and/or politicians have a weekly quota they must abide to : 50 McDo !
    They are not very happy with Ohhlala. In his ten years budget proposals the quantity is raised annually to reach 100 McDo..per week !
    Their counter project ? Distribute one Mcdo per week to the 50 millions poor Americans ! THAT SHOULD BE ENOUGH FOR THEM !
    And as a counter party…stop distributing food stamps ! This will save money to Ohhlala budget !

    😉 🙂 😉

  • tenorplus

    A LAST THE TRUTH!!!
    Kudos to the author of this document – it is about time the truth was heard in Brazil… the USA… and around the world. The Lins e Silvas and their partners in crime need to be labels and treated as common criminals – have their legal liscenses and memberships revoked post-haste – and be dragged before a Tribunal to account for all the crimes they have committed over the past 4-5 years!!! Thanks for telling the truth!!! O Globo should be ashamed, for they join these criminals in debasing the great nation of Brazil – bringing it to the lowest of lows. When we align ourselves with evil – that is what comes out. Sean MUST be returned to DAVID GOLDMAN – the ONLY FATHER… a man of great honor and stature.

  • forrest allen brown

    even with a court ordered news black out
    written rag of a paper came to publish only what brunas people wanted to have printed .
    only to get the backing of the uninformed people of brasil to protest in the streets
    cry like they have been beaten with out cause .

    this is not playing out well with OBAMA and lula will here about it not only from him
    but will see it in the streets with open protest by people that care .
    lets see how many brasilians line the streets to greet there leader and face the police and ICE

    brazil is being lead by a want to be chaves castro government

  • cma

    who do they think they are fooling?
    I did follow the links provided for merchandise– they led to a generic website where anyone can order mugs, aprons and t-shirts with their/your name on them — the examples happened to have the name Goldman on them — this claim originated on “Gunta’s” blog she things people will believe anything!!! She has since removed the link but still claims he is profiting.

  • bo

    Brazil…
    the land of jeitinho. OGlobo is a joke. Have to feel sorry for the people of brazil for having to rely on such a “news” source.

  • TheTruth

    Bravo
    Great Letter that echoes the sentiments of many!

  • ch.c.

    LET ME WARMLY APPLAUDE !
    I APPLAUDE Jackie Greenberg …FROM THE DEPTH OF MY HEART AND SOUL !

    WHY DONT BRAZILIAN MEDIAS, COURTS AND GOVERNMENT GIVE BACK THE CHILD TO WHOM HE BELONGS ?

    And they may as well ORDER their bitch PAULA to get back home in Brazil…after SHE tarnished even more the already tarnished Brazilian image !

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