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Ahmadinejad Blames US Media for Distortions and Invites Brazil to Joint Nuclear Effort

Ahmadinejad greets Lula Just before his arrival in Brazil, which should happen this Sunday, November 22, the president of Iran, Mahmoud Ahmadinejad, wrote a piece in which he calls "unfair" the controversy around Teheran's nuclear program reiterating that the Iranian effort has only peaceful goals. "A few arrogant powers," he says", "try to prevent other nations from accessing advanced sciences." 

For the Iranian leader, who should stay only one day in Brazil, both Brazilians and Iranians play "important and deserved" roles in the world's governance. He says he would like to see more cooperation among the world's governments. And he blamed capitalism for poverty, crime and violence:

"The spread of poverty throughout the world due to economic policies based in the capitalistic thinking of accumulation of weapons of mass destruction and the stockpiling of atomic weapons in countries that defend human rights generates crime and violence."

On the Gaza Strip conflict, Ahmadinejad asked Brazil to condemn attacks in that region, which would represent the mutual desire of two countries for peace and against oppression and injustice.

The Iranian leader sees Brazil and Iran as two very close nations with a large potential in areas like agriculture, cattle breeding, industry and tourism. He proposes that Brazilian and Iranian businessmen establish "safe and reliable" partnerships in a climate of balanced economic relationship.

"All these similarities have roots in a tender spirit and in a very close culture between both peoples. This mutual interest trumps the geographical distance," he stressed.

Ahmadinejad praised cultural sectors like literature and cinema in Brazil and Iran but chastised the work of the press especially the American media. He mentioned what he called a "kind of media monopoly" in the United States and said that this was making it hard for the world to know Iran's reality and potential.

"Iran is a territory in which for thousands of years several races, important religions and several languages live together peacefully and cordially," he stated.

Talking to the TV news show Jornal da Globo, Ahmadinejad commented on his friendship with  president Lula and thanked the Brazilian leader for backing him up during the elections when other chiefs of state were skeptical about the election's results after suspicions of fraud were raised against his candidacy.

The Iranian president suggested that Brasí­lia and Teheran should work closer together in the field of atomic energy. Up to now Brazil has refused to join Iran in the area of developing nuclear energy.

According to Globo TV, Ahmadinejad's aides although very careful about formal details on how the interviewer would appear didn't impose any restriction on the questions asked. The president requested however to be allowed to directly address the Brazilian people. He used the opportunity to say:

"I would like to say hi to the lovely Brazilian people. We love Brazilians, we love all the nations around the world, especially nations that look for stability, justice and that were subjected to oppression and  injustice in the past. Many of Brazil's values are our values. I pray to the All Powerful for health, prosperity, happiness and well-being for all."

On the holocaust: "The question that we raise is very clear. I made two challenges, I had two clear questions. The first question was: 'If the holocaust happened, where did it happen?' It happened in Europe of course. Everybody knows that. If it happened, it happened in Europe. The second question: 'What does this have to do with the Palestinian people?' Why these people should pay for this? Why should they give away the Palestinians land because of crimes committed in Europe?"

Does he think Brazil should abandon its defense of a two-state arrangement in the Middle East?

"We are not going to interfere in Brazil's decision. Brazil is an independent country. We have our arguments. And we share our arguments with Brazilian friends, but the relationship between both countries will not be affected by this matter."

When asked about homosexuality he smiled before stating:

"I do not expect all people in the world to agree with my opinions. People have different views. But we think homosexuality is against nature. If homosexuality spreads out I think mankind is going to cease. It is the wrong way. It is perverted. All the divine prophecies condemn this way. This is only going to cause a series of physical and social illnesses."

Ahmadinejad was told by William Waack, the interviewer, that his declarations about the Holocaust and Israel were unacceptable to Lula and the vast majority of the Brazilian people.

American Representative Eliot Engel, a Democrat from New York and co-chairman of a caucus interested in improving US-Brazil relations, criticized president Lula for receiving Ahmadinejad.

"This is a gross mistake for a respected president of a respected country," he said, adding:  "To elevate Ahmadinejad, when he represses his own people, denies the Holocaust, says he'll wipe Israel off the map – it shows Brazil isn't ready to be taken seriously as a world player."

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  • Dalmo Accorsini

    Loud and clear!
    I don’t care to listen to a dictator! We know exactly what he thinks! Lula should not get involved with dictators, we’re a freedom loving people, Ahmadinejad, only wants blood and destruction!

  • Dalmo Accorsini

    Chavez cook book!
    Funny! Everything you just wrote is the same that people like Chavez and Ahmadinejad rant about! America is and will be the only possibility of progress! If not why the Chinese, Europeans and others pay so much attention to everything the US does? I don’t know who you are but you come across as someone bitter, put a side your hate and think!!!

  • Dalmo Accorsini

    Lethargic
    Dear Joao, As Brazilians we should understand that time has come for us to make a move to take the right side. I rather be with the US and NOT with Iran on this one! Iran can change too! It’s own people are trying to get away from the grips of this dictator. Brazil will be better served staying away from this mess!

  • Dalmo Accorsini

    Shock and awe!
    It’s funny! People forget all the good that comes from the US. If you’re using the internet right now is because American scientists with American tax payers money paid for that! Cancer research, astronomy, chemistry everything you take for granted comes from the US. Brazil is getting there for sure, but is American money the real engine here. Even when the Chinese make an investment they are able to do that because America did OPEN IT’S DOORS to China. The US is the responsible for us to not to be living under a Nazi regimen my friend, next time you buy something and use your credit card or drive a nice car (Ford is investing $3.2 billion in Brazil this year) think about the shock and awe the humanity owns to the US.

  • Dalmo Accorsini

    Easy again!
    Brazil! All the money that it’s coming into the Brazilian economy comes from where? Iran? Venezuela? Wake up people! The US is the best partner a country can have!

  • Dalmo Accorsini

    Simple answer for this one! Brazilians know (me included) that Lula is NOT RESPONSIBLE for the Brazilian success. All started with FHC, also Lula took advantage of the global economical growth that’s it! Lula did not change Brazil, The country did change him! Go back and listen to past rants of Mr Lula and see what I’m saying here. Dilma is made up, never elected for anything she would be there just to be manipulated by the PT big wigs (Lula included). Besides it’s time for a new direction and to be part of the of something new. Brazil will be a major power in the future but based upon the ingenuity of it’s people and the drive to be better! Lula will go down in history as a great president no doubt about that!

  • Dalmo Accorsini

    I guarantee you Joao! Serra will be the next Brazilian President for sure! Dilma is just Lula’s proxy (3rd mandate), Brazilians are very smart and will not be blinded like you’re. It’s funny to hear you saying that you’re awake, I’m not sure you can even understand what’s happening around you, go back to sleep!

  • Dalmo Accorsini

    Lula’s ego feeding frenzy!
    Wake up Joao! It’s not 95% Btw: he’ll be gone soon enough! Serra will revert all the mistakes this ignorant made. Also Brazil has a lot potential but is naive in international affairs, if wants to play the big leagues it should follow the rest of the love peace nations and not be elbow to elbow with a despot (Goes for Chavez also). Lula is a naive, ignorant individual with too much ego to accept reality!

  • Dalmo Accorsini

    Criminal!
    Mahmoud Ahmadinejad is just a criminal. Taken the American Embassy in the 80’s was just the start, Denying the Holocaust is just provocation because the whole world knows of the Jewish prosecution. Lula is making a huge mistake siding with the likes of Chavez and this monster. I can say that next year elections will be a game changer for Brazil, A country that has everything to do with the US. For the people accusing the US of meddling should look again and see all the advances in science that the US provides to the world. I love Brazil, but I’m hopping it changes it’s view on this one. I hope also that freedom lovers in Brazil will have their say on this visit!

  • anonymous
  • anonymous

    Fight a 6 Trillion USD trade, being run by an organization that’s 50 years old? Yes, I can hear the age old wisdom seething from your argument.

    We might as well legalize cocaine consumption, get EMBRAPA to acclimate the Erythroxylum Coca and start working on genetically modified bacterium for synthesizing cocaine.

    You’re probably right though, our education disparity impossibilitates any meaningful exchange, I’m grateful for your attention and wish you a long life, so long, may we never have the misadventure of arguing in close quarters.

  • asp

    boy, anom you are one confused individual
    i never crucified lula for a diolougue, god damn it read what i say, dont superimpose your bullshit in your head and your arrogant prejudice into what i have said

    i have said i like what lula is doing

    i have said i dont care if brazil doesnt want to step up to fight the reality of farc being supported by chavez and raping brazil, i never even said people should off chavez or invade…all i said is people should see the reality of it and understand the truth about chavez…and that because of that , colombia has a right to bring in american military personal to colombian bases…after all neighbors like chavez and correa have supported farc in their territories…chavez has sold them arms…and given them sanctuary.

    i dont know what kind of gobily gook math and logic you came up with about coke and and some fanticy usa invasion you have cocked up in your head, that is some real confusing mumbo jumbo you are displaying, and your cuba statement at the end,you are disinigraing into illogical hard to undeerstand statements. its because you are coming up real short in your arguments, with a lot crap and conjecture and filled with your prejudice

    you are obviously more well educated than me, write english better than i do, but you are unwise ….you cant face truths or reality ….what good is education with out life wisdom

    i also didnt debate the usa is the largest consumer, what i have said is, coke and crack are being found and busted on a cronic leval all over brazil

    where the fuck do you live ? outside of brazil? becuaue where i live , crack and coke are in the news in a local leval on nearly a daily basis..im talking about reality not some statistics…im not talking about who has more coke im talking about crack is fucking up brazil right now…if you dont want to understand that , keep your head and your prejudice in the sand,you are only hurting yourself…the usa may have more consumption but people are killing each other in a constant cronic slaughter with numbers equaling a war inside brazils borders over drugs, especialy coke

    that is what kills me about people who think like you, shit be fucking you up the ass but you dont want to even ackowledge it,your seething one dimensional anti americanism is blinding you to even looking at basic realities happening to you

    and you call americans arrogant ? and lump them in some stupid generalised statement full of your conpsiricy conjecture and revisionist historical hindsights that i have pointed out the obvious stupid flaws….and paint your self as humble? and,inspite of your extremly generalised , seething with hate , statements, i refuse to play tit for tat with you about brazil…i love your country

    but ill say this to you personaly and people all over the world who think like you….

    all you can do is smell and examine american hemmoroids, and no one elses, and when someone intends to spend too much time examining my american hemmoroids, i can only say get the fuck out from behind my ass

  • anonymous

    Funny you should talk about brain washing, let’s go back to the Farc’s issue. USA’s per capita cocaine consumption is 8(eight) times, as in 800(eight hundred)%, that of Europe, world consumption is 600000 kilos, with a street price of at least 10000 USD per kilo, so we’re looking at a trade of 6000000000, 6 trillion USD. Now everyone understands perfectly well that when they reduce supply to 300000 kilos, the trade will be worth at least 20 trillion USD. Everyone also understands perfectly well how they will likely invade the rest of South America, and reek whatever havoc a few trillion USD can organize. I guess we can all get past how this is a very unfortunate event, now this is either USA’s fault, and the damages to the rest of South America are unintentional, OR, what is more likely, this is USA’s fault, and the destabilization of South America is a bonus, and at a bargain price. Then you want to crucify Lula for merely appearing to be open for dialog, please, will you set a trap, and personally guide us to it too?

    Spies are everywhere, we probably have Swiss spies right now in the state legislature of Alagoas, spies are not synonymous with black ops, which your country not only extensively used for any and every occasion, but is now putting the finishing touches on actually institutionalizing it.

    Why won’t you take a guess how many of those Cubans were actually approached and bought by the US government? Some merely to gather informations, others in half cooked CIA plots, I for one believe in American arrogance and tenacity. The myriads of empty promises of a free Cuba as the crown jewel of the Caribbean, with all Cuban produce raised to the status of delicacies, e the Cuban people as the soul of the continent.

  • asp

    you dont even know your own history and you are trying to talk about stalin ?
    do you want to trade lincs ? your statistics are ridiculas and reveal someone who really has chosen to brain wash himself… …go ahead show me your linc why you think 66thousand were killed in cuba , the brazilian dictators didnt kill like that for those they felt threatoned by….like i said, not even batista killed castro when he tried to overthrow him the first time

    i guess you know nothing of eastern europe , hungary, checklaslovacia, lithuainia etc , and their history with the soviet union, you sound so naive

    you blame the usa for the 9 million deaths in south east asia but dont give the other side one slice of responsibility ? i feel sorry for you…i guess your coffee clatches with your freinds and some bad teaching by some of your professors and some skewed books have thoroughly brained washed you..books can lie you know

    and you dont even know your history of your country….i mean i really put it on the table to you about prestes, kgb spies, capitao lacerda,wilson simonal ,kgb agents in your military, media, educational system, and congress ….and you cant even talk about it…you are just spewing your preconceived version of what you think it was

    really cat , the brazilian military didnt need any usa help, they did it all themselves. they just got the word of support from the usa and tactics and torture training that was differant from the torturing going on before…there is as much torture going on now in brazil i know you dont care about that

    you want to blame the usa for setting back brazilian democracy for 40 years but, agian in huge hypocracy, you dont want to give any blame what so ever for the forces in brazil who were romantic about the cuban revolution and were making overtures to the soviet union….which, the soviet union eventualy fucking fell, …they didnt just have a recesion or depresion, they colapsed…a fucking flawed horrible totalatarion system..that some ideological idiots were leaning to go with them…do you get this in your preconceived mind made up brain?

    you do know that when 6 hundred thousand protested for goulart in rio , 5 hundred thousand protested against communism in sao paulo….this was a severly devided issue in brazil with the violent militants in the minority

    and you dont think they also have some responsibility for contributing to chaos and setting brazil back 40 years? and the dictators have gone, but the totalitarion dictators in cuba, who you are defending , are still there, with their fingers up the peoples asses

    where is your head at?

    be my guest if you want to stick your head in the sand , the only person that will hurt from it is you

  • asp

    you dont even know your own history and you are trying to talk about stalin ?
    do you want to trade lincs ? your statistics are ridiculas and reveal someone who really has chosen to brain wash himself… …go ahead show me your linc why you think 66thousand were killed in cuba , the brazilian dictators didnt kill like that for those they felt threatoned by….like i said, not even batista killed castro when he tried to overthrow him the first time

    i guess you know nothing of eastern europe , hungary, checklaslovacia, lithuainia etc , and their history with the soviet union, you sound so naive

    you blame the usa for the 9 million deaths in south east asia but dont give the other side one slice of responsibility ? i feel sorry for you…i guess your coffee clatches with your freinds and some bad teaching by some of your professors and some skewed books have thoroughly brained washed you..books can lie you know

    and you dont even know your history of your country….i mean i really put it on the table to you about prestes, kgb spies, capitao lacerda,wilson simonal ,kgb agents in your military, media, educational system, and congress ….and you cant even talk about it…you are just spewing your preconceived version of what you think it was

    really cat , the brazilian military didnt need any usa help, they did it all themselves. they just got the word of support from the usa and tactics and torture training that was differant from the torturing going on before…there is as much torture going on now in brazil i know you dont care about that

    you want to blame the usa for setting back brazilian democracy for 40 years but, agian in huge hypocracy, you dont want to give any blame what so ever for the forces in brazil who were romantic about the cuban revolution and were making overtures to the soviet union….which, the soviet union eventualy fucking fell, …they didnt just have a recesion or depresion, they colapsed…a fucking flawed horrible totalatarion system..that some ideological idiots were leaning to go with them…do you get this in your preconceived mind made up brain?

    you do know that when 6 hundred thousand protested for goulart in rio , 5 hundred thousand protested against communism in sao paulo….this was a severly devided issue in brazil with the violent militants in the minority

    and you dont think they also have some responsibility for contributing to chaos and setting brazil back 40 years? and the dictators have gone, but the totalitarion dictators in cuba, who you are defending , are still there, with their fingers up the peoples asses

    where is your head at?

    be my guest if you want to stick your head in the sand , the only person that will hurt from it is you

    your petty prejudice analisys of americans is really stupid …you really are addicted to american hemmoroids, but you know, i feel funny a mother fucker inspecting and smelling only my ass hole, get the fuck out from behind my ass

  • anonymous

    So, what percentage of those 66,000 do you believe were engaged in treasonous acts funded internationally? And please mind the exchange rate.

    I’m not one for defending Stalin, but that 20 million number, do you know how they came up with it? Even the most pessimistic reports says no more than 14 million people entered the GULAG system, and more than 80% of those were eventually released.

    When the USA “secured” South America, the Soviets just backed off. Could they have made a stand? I should think so.
    When the USSR/China “secured” South East Asia, the USA forced the issue and 9 million were killed.

    No, I don’t believe there’s a good and evil side to the cold war, but I guess we can theorize that if the Soviets had been as arrogant and belligerent as their American counterparts, right about now we wouldn’t have to worry about overpopulation.

    Not even you can deny that Americans are wired differently than the rest of the world, something similar to the criminally insane, or similar to the Nazis, what I see is lots of arrogance, belligerence, and greed, and frankly, very idiotic greed. I’m unable to fathom how Americans will reform themselves, or even keep themselves from sinking even more in everyone’s esteem. USA’s commitment to the continuance of the economic hegemony is lackluster at best, USA will continue disrupting economic stability, and when demanded to submit to international purview, say the obvious, cut military spending, we shall see some very interesting days.

  • asp

    sagy sagy sagy
    there you go bringing in an article mentioning “zionists”…you just cant shake it from your position….my god, what is the deal with that ?

    world war one and two…..why are they called world wars ? more than 40 million people died in world war 2 fighting totalitarian rergimes…no people or country are exempt from the after math, as the cold war following so vividly demonstrated

    no islamic fundimentalist state is excempt from that….

    israel was created out of the after math of world war 2 …its just that simple…it unjustifiable upset palastinian land owners and has created a permanent hate rift that is extremly complex based on the complex histories

    but the absolute force of total world anialation created a differant dynamic that just cant be erased now

    there should be a palistinian state , with world support to guarentee it will succeed..that is the only solution …but these two sides are determined to hang on to their hate and hold the world hostage ….

    but you have seriously tried to diminish the anialation of 6 million jews in a very short time by the nazi’s, the credibility of your positions is really weak

    you really have got your hidden agenda and emotions behind your strange train of thought…you couldnt even counter any of the points ive made….

    why dont you just get the guts to come out and explain your self ?

  • asp

    anom…..ill get to you sagy in a minute
    thirties communist rebelions, rio and recife,soviet spies in brazil, prestes, for sure the seeds were going on in the late 20’s…you dont even know your own history ?

    “the usa help in the military dictatorships…..yes, the usa played real dirty in the cold war, they used the cia to combine with the local militaries to over threw democraticly elected presidents”

    why are you portraying that i dont admit to real dirty tactics by the usa in the cold war? i never said i supported torture and over throwing democracies….its repugnant…how we entered iraq and the hype was repugnant.but i dont hear you admit to the repungant shit on the other side

    artists and intelectuals….and capitao lacerda….

    artists like wilson simonal…? why are you doing this to me, anom ? are you playing me for a dummy, or are you naive ?

    of course i think it was brutal and unjustifiable the way it went down…and what about the other side ? you dont think the soviet union was banking inserections all over the world since the late 20’s ? especialy using cuba as a hub for africa and south america ?

    you think more than 60 thousand in cuba were executed just for plotting agains fidel ? did batista kill fidel when he tried his first coup ? is prostitution, one of the big things people scream was eliminated from batista cuba by castro , eliminatied from cuba now? good for castro giving education and health, bad the totalitarion dictatorship that has its fingers up its peoples asses…what a hard life

    you are frustrated because the facts and conception of the world as you would like to see it bangs up against other hard realities and facts…you have to go back to the drawing board …ive sure had to…

    when people say the atom bomb was just to show the russions, i know the truth was my uncle was on a boat to go in an invade and would have been killed, and someone made a desicion based on that….just because some clown working with those people might have quipped that it would be good to show the russions in no way represents the real reason the bombs were dropped

    when you throw out conjecture that the top usa brass knew about the anialation of the jews in the gas chambers when they turned the jewish boat away, the fact is most was done towards the end of the war, it starts upsetting your whole theory …and i know a doctor that developed a life long limp after seeing the brutality , i guess you are saying the top brass said ” oh boy i cant wait to see the surprised look on that army doctors face when he goes into the camps, that is going to be one knee slapper…”

    there was so much rounding up of people and eliminating of people in the soviet union germany was just the same bullshit going down…this wasnt any usa plot to know about it and conspire to muck up the universe…

    20 million eliminated by the soviet union, 20 million dying in maos volta no campo…can you wrap your head around those figures ? do you have any idea what that means? could you understand why there were huge numbers of people and governments that decided that they had to fight that kind of totalitarianism , and they got real dirty, because the totalitarianism was dirtiar?

    you got to do better than that anom….and there is nothing i could say about my position you would just critisise me because im an american…well, i wont tit for tat you about brazil, i love your country…its just plain the way you think about it. i say you need to go back to the drawing board and get a balanced look at history so we can truly discuss the truth and future directions about it

  • João da Silva

    [quote]Eu sou apenas um humilde Mineiro,[/quote]

    Mineiro, sim. Coitadinho NÀƒƒO. 😀 😉

  • sage

    asp – bedtime read
    since you sleep like a bat this s/b easy, dont fall off your perch,
    you’ve fallen on your head too many times

    http://www.nytimes.com/2009/11/24/books/24jews.html?em

  • anonymous

    Eu sou apenas um humilde Mineiro, libertas quÀƒ¦ sera tamen!

    Na verdade eu andava bem desligado da polÀƒ­tica, no entanto a leitura de um livro ou outro me levou a leitura do “Uma InvestigaÀƒ§Àƒ£o sobre a Natureza e as Causas da Riqueza das NaÀƒ§Àƒµes”, e decidi, ou melhor, me encontrei aqui compondo comentÀƒ¡rios na esperanÀƒ§a de notar os efeitos que o livro teve sobre mim, um Àƒ³timo livro, bem mais que apenas um tratado econÀƒ´mico.

    Apesar de interessante, Àƒ© bem depressivo notar a importaÀƒ§Àƒ£o de agendas partidÀƒ¡rias, e apesar de ser marcas claras da interrupÀƒ§Àƒ£o no processo democrÀƒ¡tico, sÀƒ£o tambÀƒ©m indicativas de um polÀƒ­tico incompetente, debilitando a sua influÀƒªncia perante os jornalistas e seus colegas de bancada.

    Eu tenho um livro aqui sobre aquele perÀƒ­odo, focado na histÀƒ³ria daqueles perseguidos pela ditadura, mas infelizmente ainda nÀƒ£o o li, e nem sei se Àƒ© um bom livro, uma das raras vezes que comprei um livro por mero impulso.

  • João da Silva

    [quote]I vanish too, this is an exercise in futility, I’m glad you seem to be enjoying it, JoÀƒ£o.[/quote]

    Yeah, I am enjoying and for that reason, I request you not to vanish!!

    [quote]You don’t care about the overthrowing of elected presidents like JoÀƒ£o Goulart, and the torturing and killing artists, students, and “agitators”, setting back a country’s democratic process 40, maybe 50 years, frankly, what do you care about?[/quote]

    I am not too sure if you are a Brasilian , BUT…BUT….you seem to have “heard” of Jango. Please list the names of all the “artists”, “students” and other “agitators” who were killed . The problem with our continent is that we have either “rightists” or “leftists” and the leaders from these two extreme groups like to promote personality cults. Regardless of whether they are rights or leftists, they have “one foot in LatAm and another in Europe or U.S.” That is my opinion and you don’t have to take it seriously, if you do not want.

  • anonymous

    I vanish too, this is an exercise in futility, I’m glad you seem to be enjoying it, JoÀƒ£o.

    Heh, 66,000 killed in Cuba, seeing how much USA wanted to take over the island, and perhaps even private citizens tried to bankroll some of the attempts themselves, tell me asp, what percentage of those 66,000 do you think were actually involved in plots to overthrow Fidel?

    You don’t care about the overthrowing of elected presidents like JoÀƒ£o Goulart, and the torturing and killing artists, students, and “agitators”, setting back a country’s democratic process 40, maybe 50 years, frankly, what do you care about?

  • João da Silva

    anonymous
    [quote]Let’s talk about the USSR financed communist insurrections of the 20’s then. You go first. [/quote]

    Where do we go if this thread vanishes?

  • anonymous

    Let’s talk about the USSR financed communist insurrections of the 20’s then. You go first.

  • asp

    is this jabberwacky the only responce you can come back with?
    listen, if you want to condemn the cia for coming in and not the kgb, you are one hypocrit….

    20 million people were eliminated by the soviet union in the name of communism

    20 million people died in mao’s volta no campo communist programs

    castro executed 60,000 people in cuba , more than were killed in all south america in the cold war

    less than a thousand people were killed by the military dictatorship crack down in brazil, and insurgents killed under 700

    its really a pity that people even contemplated communism as some kind of solution or were infatuated by castros revolution…the fucking dictators went away, the totalitarion dictatorship in cuba still goes on

    “training intellectuals” (really man , i dont know what the fuck you are talking about, make yourself clearer) that is only your lame ass way at looking at things…deciding to pick up guns and kill people is what it is

    really, i posed some interesting questions for you to answer and you come up with this shit and then try to peg me….dont fucking try to peg me , you dont know shit about me and neither does punk bitch sage

    man, you really come up with some lame arguments, and cant even dialougue about things…you just have your mind made up in your little world…so go ahead and keep your philosophies….but dont think you can bullshit me with it

  • anonymous

    Wow, the 20’s, do you even know what Anarchists and Nationalists are? Is that what your measure of crimes against humanity is, the training of the prosecuted and exiled intellectuals? Frankly, those are very strict morals, considering the USA trained all sort of oligarchical scum, including those very sand princes that are giving you headaches nowadays.Not only did USA train this oligarchical scum, they placed them in power, they keep them in power, and they prevent them, up to this day, from actually investing in their own countries. If that’s what you are, a left leaning liberal, that’s explains everything, at most you guys have an infatuation with common sense, you guys don’t want to govern, you only want to keep the republicans in check, you spin their stories, keep a country under their heads, ward off international worries, like good housewives.

  • asp

    i see through your bull shit sage…..
    you started attacking me on here with no reason….and i can kick your ass here and in real life…i still like your positive comments about brazil, but, and we started trying to engage in discusion with out insults…when i called you on weak arguments, its you buddy boy who reverted to insults, because you cant handle it…and you are revealing some weird agenda…baggage you are bringing with you from where ever you came from…

    and while you acuse me of hiding behind the computor, you dont have the guts to come out and tell us where you are from and why you have reached your weird conclusions including an obsecion with zionists

    so keep playing this bullshit game of insulting me becausse i called you on weak arguments and ill just keep bitch slapping your ass around the room

  • asp

    about coke and the usa in the dictatorship
    i never said the usa wasnt the bigest consmer, what i am saying is that coke and crack are becoming cronic user problems in brazil. there are busts almost everyday where i live for crack cocaine….this is reality..it wasnt like that 8 years ago . it was after fernando beira mar was busted with farc that actual urban narco fueled street violence escolated in a strange and large manner and coke started flooding in brazil

    the war on drugs led by the usa has failed…im all for looking at legalisation…the 1937 tax act by anslinger is disgusting…but you cant blame the usa for farc distributing to europe through brazil and its ties to the huge gangs the pcc in sao paulo and beira mar, and other huge trafic gangs in mid brazil and the northeast, documented on news reports …if the usa didnt exist this would still be going on..another case of blame the usa for anything…but failed drug war…absolutly…huge waste of money and incarcaration of individuals

    why is uribe at 80 percent of aproval in the colombia polls? the people see through the marxist bullshit crap of farc and see them for what they are…murdering,kidnapping thugs who sell drugs for thier money. its what they always were, thugs ….and now,with support from chavez…the damned leader died in venezuala and was eulogised by chavez…a farc summer camp base was allowed to flourish in equador…the computor informaiton captured pointed out the real deal of what is going on , what we all knew anyway…colombia has a right to bring american personal to colombia based to help if neighbors like chavez are threatening the sovernty of colombia by helping farc….people stuck in a cold war mentality with ideologies on their sleeves protest these american personel coming down to colombia

    the usa help in the military dictatorships…..yes, the usa played real dirty in the cold war, they used the cia to combine with the local militaries to over threw democraticly elected presidents….we all faught the cold war so their wouldnt be a nuclear holocaust…it broke down to dirty little wars in various places…hell i was part of the generation who practiced hiding under our school desks incase of a nuclear attack…

    anom, what i am always wondering about in young brazilian people like you sitting around with your freinds discussing what happened back then is: where is your inclusion of the dirt from the other side?

    i saw a very casual interveiw on brazilian tv with a very high up ex kgb agent from the soviet union…he said , in the time of the cold war in brazil , they had spies in the military, the government, the education system and the media…..

    ive seen various brazilian documentaries about communist party members in brazil during the early 60’s , saying they were plotting armed violent revolution and were training in cuba or china….seems like cuba was as imperialistic as the usa…che gueveira was exporting his revolution to africa and south america,trying to covourtly meddle with those perspective countries sovernty , the definition of imperialism…the communists in the congo didnt even want to go with him because of his ass hole bullshit style

    if you know your history of your country, anom , you know the communists and soviet spies plauged brazil since the late 20’s with armed rebellions out breaking in the thirties…there was torture of those caught, it wasnt imported by the usa…this whole dynamic was a reality in brazil long before the cold war

    yes the cold war was dirty, but there were four sides who are to blame, the usa and the miltaries in these conflicted countries, who invited their support and the soviet union and china and cuba by way of the soviet union and the people in these countries that willingly invited them in ,their spies and arms and they trained in those countries for armed revolution

    why dont you guys in your coffee talks ever ackowledge the other side in your analysis of the cold war? you just look at the usa involvement and cut it down…why? becaue you are unkowingly reading off the soviet union propaganda page with castros snot all over it…

    moan chumpski…my poster boy for the super intelligent idiot who uses his education to fit his agenda which is not complete and doesnt really ackowldedge how dirty the whole world is…he actualy hurts any one who is left leaning , which i consider my self. people like him hurt the cause by distorting the truth…like sage here who we all know now has an abnormal agenda and obscesion with zionists

  • sage

    asp fart, i mean farc
    farc’s success is a reflexion of the failure of us narcotics policy – the war on drugs. having militarized
    the problem (which is the only thing americans know how to do), farc is now utilizing
    brasil’s porous borders (just like you did) to transit drugs to brasil’s atlantic ports & thereon
    to the global markets of the north – read us/europe. they are in turn taking advantage of brasil’s
    economically dispossessed to organize distribution conduits to the coast. in the process, a part of
    this activity is spilling over into brasilian society in the form of consumption & voilence. the police
    & law enforcement are currently overwhelmed from a resource standpoint as this was not forseen
    happening a few years back. the total occupation of colombia by the us armed forces via the 7
    military bases will further aggrevate the problem.

    all this is indirectly being fueled by the us population (you) which is the world’s largest consumer
    market for drugs. unless the us govt does something to seriously curtail demand in it’s home market
    via medical, social & other enlightened interdiction programs & actually legalize ‘substance abuse’ a la
    holland, switzerland, etc. , this problem will only get worse & your sloping forehead ape rantings
    will mean nothing.

    barnum & ringling circuses or for that matter any major metropolitan zoo would love to have you as
    a full time specimen. think about the possibilities – free food, clean cage, center of attention/attraction,
    a once in a lifetime offer, dont you think 😀 😀 😀

  • sage

    asp
    so asp, given your criminal past, is your residency status in brasil legal? i dont believe so. 😉

    for joao:
    actually, Dr. Chomsky is a distingusihed american professor of ashkenazi jewish heritage at MIT
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Noam_Chomsky

    also, i think annonymous has been very patient & genteel with this thug asp, who is not very
    cognizant of the facts, has a limited vocabulary (if you take away the f word, then no vocabulary) &
    dogmatic intolerance – a classical attribute of the trailer park trash american underclass, a group that
    is the primary recruiting pool of the us armed forces. given their low levels of education, mental, social
    & cultural desonence, this group lends itself to being easily indoctrinated. i’m not sure why this punk is
    presently not in iraq or afpak. 😀

  • anonymous

    Let’s quote from wikipedia

    Consumption
    World annual cocaine consumption currently stands at around 600 metric tons, with the United States consuming around 300 metric tons, 50% of the total, Europe about 150 metric tons, 25% of the total, and the rest of the world the remaining 150 metric tons or 25%.[100]

    Oh yes, damned Brazilians love their nose candy. Selling to Brazilians is a chump’s game, (what, 2-3% of total?) it is not what drives the violence in Brazilian slums. Regardless of what the Farcs are nowadays, or the state of its leadership, it started as a popular movement, which the USA tried to suppress, and make them their puppets and tried to suppress again and again numberless times. Aren’t these people in Afghanistan the same ones the USA aided against the USSR? When I first started posting on this forum, years and years ago, there would be huge skirmishes about whether USA was or wasn’t involved in the 1964 military coup in Brazil. Always the same crap, name calling, conspiracies, are you even capable of thinking of anything more evident? Until a few years ago, surprise, surprise, USA released documents saying they did incite the coup, they did promise support, they did promise investment, and before the coup even started, they had 2 navy vessels on the way for support. A world without justice can only be erected on the back of legality. Frankly, believe what you will, dream of how George Bush did single handily derail your country, that it wasn’t a step by step process, but one single leap, call it a leap of faith if it helps you sleep at night, and that now you can collectively just leap back into righteousness, I do wish you well, asp.

  • asp

    and your partner , sagy
    the mother fucker is wigging out….he is paranoid…he cant stop blaming and looking for “zionist schills” under every rock and stone…he cant stop mentioning it, it is word vomit…he has three threads going paranoid about “zionists”….he even thinks its in the brazilian press….

    i mean we see that underneath all that education is one paranoid mother fucker wigging out over perceived “zionist schills”….that must be in his agenda somewhere…i mean i rant about chavez and farc…but they really are raping brazil…coke busts happen all the time , same with crack busts , crack is the worst, and a certain amount are proven to come from farc….so i have a good right to rant about it….but zionists in the brazilian press?

    look at the company you agree with

  • asp

    read moan chumpski ?
    oh boy , you really are a fool

    you think the coke is going to only the usa? ive got news for you anom, where i live, there are cronic coke busts and crrack busts almost daily sometimes for sure weekly, just in the local news…the national news is having reports all the time…coke is in brazil big time…like water coming from the amazon

    what kind of denial are you in ? you do know fernando beira mar was caught with farc ,right, and ive seen major coke busts in mid brazil and north east brazil in the last 2 months that was tied directly to farc and one of them through venezuela…and you think brazil isnt getting raped?

    and moan chumpski wrote a huge essay on the problems of colombia and devoted five pages to the american military complex and one paragraph to farc and called them freedom fighters……fucking freedom fighters…these scum bags , they rape brazil ,they are thugs and drug dealers and kidnappers , supported by chavez and this fucking moan chumpski call s them freedom fighters……and this is the son of a bitch you reccoment i read ?

    americans created islamic fundimentalists ? in afghanistan ? god , you still are loving the smell of american hemmoroids….islamic fundimentalism was started by a writer in egypt who wrote ” the shadow of the koran “. it was the birth of the fundimenalist islamic movement and the seeds were totaly sown when arab counrtries were defeated handily in all the wars the arabs started against israel…

    good muslim thinkers arnt consumed by bitterness by this. they resent the usa help but they dont get consumed…the minority fanatics are consumed and belive in the return of the kalifs and sharia law. osama bin laden saw the arab israelis war and that is what started him on his hateful mission. you note that his partner is egyption and was one of the early followers of “in the shadow of the koran”

    again, you are consumed by conspiricy conjecture and your addiction to american hemmoroids…noted by your blaming the usa for congo genicide and unwilling to take any responsibility your self…its great to have the usa as your little punching bag and nice hemmoroids to smell in your proctologist activity

    i have criticiesed the usa many times on this forum and i love your country brazil

    i hate george bush and the iraq hype and the hyper greed and unregulated casino that brought the usa down recently…and fundimental abortion doctor killer christians as much as islamic fundimentalists and orthadox jewish arab haters

    i look for truth , but not fairy tales. your petty acuasations came up short and full of misguided brain washed limited analasys based in conspiricy conjecture

    i would never tell anyone else in the world the usa is your best freind. but it sure aint your worst enemy

    if you want to sit with your freinds and criticise the usa and blame it for the evils of the world, be my guest….but dont bull shit me..you come up real short

    you need to rethink your take on the history of the world , you have been severly brain washed

  • João da Silva

    [quote]Go read some Chomsky[/quote]

    Why should Americans and Brasilians read books written by a Polish guy? I think we are losing focus here. The crisis problem is the deteriorating “Power Matrix and the Distribution system” in the U.S. of A and I don’t think this Chomsky is a trained engineer. Besides, he is Polish and hence of no practical utility to either Brasilians or the Americans.

    Our distinguished new blogger “Mr.Anonymous” makes some good points, now and then. BUT…..BUT…..he tends to be absolutely condescending to less endowed brethren. 😉 😀 😉

  • anonymous


    Yes, almost the entirety of said cocaine being reexported to the US of A, well, to complement the part being muled over by US Military Forces. 🙂

    Americans should know about Islamic Fundamentalists, since it was you that nursed them since their inception, in order to screw with the USSR, very well done guys, and I wouldn’t be at shocked if they were still attached to your nipples, it is the American way, shocking the backward foreigners.

    The slaughters in Africa just goes to show how much USA cares about genocides, and makes it eerily plain the price it places on human life, and the price it places on resources, not to mention, these African dictators don’t so much as fart without USA’s say so. Your naivetÀƒ© is nothing less of adamantine.

    Go read some Chomsky, seriously, get a clue. It is human mature to exaggerate, perhaps you can take comfort knowing it is not as bad as we paint it, but make no mistake about it, it is at least 60% as bad.

  • anonymous


    Thank you for the compliments, sage.

    It never ceases to amaze me the unquestioned fealty Americans feel for their fatherland, specially the marginalized. It is as if questioning, doubt, or reading for that matter were reserved for the rich, or effeminate, as something that puzzles the will and gets you killed. The idea that history is written by the victors is a commonly held Theory of History, something that is likely to muddle any research, specially somewhere as hostile as the American Academic environment. Judging by your checkered present, what could even induce you to think of your past as pristine?

  • asp

    and fuck you up the ass , bitch
    you are a clown, with worthless logic ,sage….your opinions and arguments are absolutly worthless….you loose credibility

    anonomyous, you are ridiculas….you are just full of conscpircy conjecure…you just make a bunch of brash statements based on bullshit coffee shop gatherings thinking you know what the fuck is going on (what the fuck do you know what the top army brass were thinking, yeah fuck what you think , i know this doctor , what the fuck do you know?) ….you dont know shit…most armed conflict in the last 60 years has been started by islamic fundamentalists…now what the fuck do you have to say about that?

    what the fuck do you have to say about the talaban absolutly slauthering their own people over and over again in open markets in pakistan? their own fucking people, women and children….

    or the congo, where there is a mini holocaust and slavery going on right now over gold and tin so you can use your computor and listen to music…hey , bitch, what do you have to say about that? its the usa s fault again? go fuck off…you just love the smell of checking out the hemmoroids of the usa….you cant get enough of it

    if you are brazilian, why the fuck arnt you concerned over chavez suporting farc and farc is raping brasil, just absolutly raping your country, with a slauther going on inside brazil that is like a war, with cocaine and crack flowing in more than the amazon river…..where is your fucking head on that?

  • sage

    asp
    ‘im an american living in brazil’

    is your residency atatus in brasil legal? are you paying taxes? i highly doubt it.

    ‘im from a street gang background from the north and south side of chicago, ducking bullets and walking straht at 4 or 5 mother f**kers throwing bottles at me thinking i will run…that is where i learned about the reality of the world..about weakness and backing down or facing up to the truth’

    the truth is you are a punk with possibly a criminal background. you need to be reported to the policia federal.
    they usually deport mentally deranged monkeys like you.

  • sage

    annoymous
    sir, i like your style, prose & keen insights. i wouldn’t waste any more time with this
    ghetto gangbanger asp. i dont know who let him into brasil. he may have sneaked in
    via the paragui or bolivian border during some past blackout. 😀

  • João da Silva

    anonymous
    [quote]I always wondered, is it even possible to have a Republican government in California? [/quote]

    A wise man like your good self should have learned a long time ago to expect the unexpected things to happen in California. It is quite possible that within the next two years, Mexico may annex that state.BUT…BUT…., it is the problem of the Americans and not ours. Hope you have no investments there.

  • anonymous

    I always wondered, is it even possible to have a Republican government in California?

  • João da Silva

    anonymous
    [quote]The American energy matrix and the state of the distribution system.[/quote]

    I do not know the extent of the problems with the American energy matrix, sir. Except in CA, though there was no power outage there during my last visit. CA seems to be having lots of financial problems too. BUT…BUT…., what do you except out of a foreign born governor who is not a technocrat like our good selves and who spent most of his life body building and acting in violent movies. My profound apologies for interfering in the internal affairs of the U.S. of A.

  • anonymous

    The American energy matrix and the state of the distribution system.

  • João da Silva

    anonymous
    Excuse me, Mr.Anonymous. You made the following statement:

    [quote]One needs only look at your country’s energy matrix, and the state of the distribution system to wonder at your sanity as a society.[/quote]

    Which countryÀ‚´s “energy matrix and the state of the distribution system” you are talking about, ASPÀ‚´s or mine? Be more specific, if you really don’t mind.

  • anonymous

    I fail to understand your comment about us being proctologists while the USA is only making its brand of imperialism more blatant. Not even American soldiers are loyal enough for the measures being carried out, confidentially and nondisclosure agreements with mercenaries are much safer, specially if you equip them with gear the common soldier can only droll over. IF we’re only proctologists, I’m afraid you should call for a dermatologist.

  • anonymous

    Yes, the world is shit, but these United States of America are divine!!! Lol, would you listen to yourself? No country wants territory, it’s hard to manage, and very difficult to protect, yet every country absolutely needs resources. You want to judge Japan and Germany with post WWII morality, and yet as soon as we apply such morality to USA’s action, you want to scream bloody murder.

    Frankly, I didn’t even see it fit to dignify your arguments about the doctor who saw the death camps first hand with an answer, I was hoping you would catch on yourself. I didn’t deny the death camps existence, I only remarked on the impossibility of the Allied Forces not knowing about them, and by Allied Forces I meant top brass, in case you thought I meant foot soldiers. The reason they didn’t make a big PR circus out of it is likely because they couldn’t conceive of any political capital in it, antisemitism was so horrendously wide spread that the majority of the population likely would have cheered the Germans on. Meanwhile everyone was very glad that it was Germany that had the biggest Jewish population in world and not their country, which they rushed to “accidentally” close all borders.

    The Germans expanded their territory since back then it was inconceivable to liberate another country’s population(please read resources), but I’m sure even you have noticed how willing the USA is in going to war to liberate resources, even while more than 90% of the world territory is willing and open to free trade, not mention technological possibilities. But of course, this isn’t reprehensible, all reprehensibility was confined to the Nazis(which are no more), so that now we may all bask in eternal sunshine.

    Btw, do you judge your country’s integrity by current events, or do you feel it has strayed from its true nature somewhere in the last 60 years?

  • asp

    some of you are just punk bitches
    hey fuck heads, your arguments looked like shit…

    anomonys, your take on what you think happened in world war 2 is stupid, i make you look like an idiot …go ahead and talk more bullshit…you look stupid

    yea, fuck you sage, you suck..i ridiculed your points and all you can come up is bullshit? fuck you

    im from a street gang background from the north and south side of chicago, ducking bullets and walking straht at 4 or 5 mother fuckers throwing bottles at me thinking i will run…that is where i learned about the reality of the world..about weakness and backing down or facing up to the truth

    you bitches keep forgetting world war 2 was 68 or so years ago…that is a real close time. yet we have idiots like you all looking at the hemmoroids of the united states instead of really admitting the whole picture…you all are a bunch of fucking proctologists…you cant even put together a valid look at the cold war and you idiots are actualy trying to change the truth about world war 2

    you leave out all the dirty shit about communism and the eliminations that were going on in those countries and their huge desire to expand everywhere they could….and the need to fight that flawd poison bullshit as proved by the fall of the flawed soviet union…and fuck head sage actualy tries to equate the usa with nazi germany extermination…and fuck your “zionist schill” bullshit..go suck the dick of an islamic fundimentalist because i wont

    ive already critisized my country , full on, but i find idiots like you ,who can only examine usa hemmoroids as the what is bad about world war 2 and everything after that , as naive bundas

    you have all the education but dont know shit about reality in a dirty world

  • anonymous

    It’s the Idea that Caesar can do no wrong, he will either civilize you, or put you to the sword. Of course individuals like asp have serious problem with the systematization, and the intellectualization of the process, the ends justify the means, as long the means are chaotic, and the ends are uncertain, it makes action looks like non-action, and mercantile interests into humanitarian work. One needs only look at your country’s energy matrix, and the state of the distribution system to wonder at your sanity as a society. Do you judge your country’s integrity by current events, or do you feel it has strayed from its true nature somewhere in the last 60 years?

  • sage

    asp
    some of us have been blessed with wisdom, experience, perspective, critical thinking skills & education. 😉

  • sage

    asp
    your research is not open minded & rigorous enough. you choose to believe ‘facts manipulated’
    to your liking & i choose to believe in ‘facts manipulated’ to my point of view & neer the 2 shall meet.

    i am not here to change your opinions & dont care what you do or dont believe. the western powers
    were ravaging china long before japan invaded it. japan attacked the us because the us imposed an
    oil & scrap metal embargo on it (courtsey sec. of state cordell hull).

    your mayflower ancestors systematically set about exterminating the indiginous peoples of no. america
    & expropriating their land. maybe that explains the anglo-zionist affinity.

    you sound like a garden variety anglo no. american or a mixed anglo-korean american, probably a us
    armed forces vet. representing the socio-demographic segment the us army loves to recruit it’s
    cannon fodder from.

    off course you will respond with the typical vocabulary of this class – which is various permutations &
    combinations of the f**k word 😀

  • anonymous


    Oh ye who hold imperium, begrudge us not the moral high ground 🙂

    I take it you don’t entertain any conspiracy theories, asp? Yet I note the over usage of the word ‘evil’ and ‘monsters’, think there might be a possible relationship?

  • asp

    and this notion that the a bomb was used to impress russia ?
    where is the facts about that? were you there in the room when this suposed conversation was happening ?

    did you really know what the japanese military and thier emperer were really thinking about surrender ?

    this is a lot of hindsight conspiricy conjecture on the part of the people perpetuating it that you read somewhere and decided are some of your “facts”….

    time to out your self , sage….im an american living in brazil who loves both countries…that is where im coming from, its obvious and upfront…where are you coming from ? what is your agenda ?

    god if i beleived in statistics and facts id have to leave brazil after ch c’s barrage, some how these statistics and facts have a way of being manipulated and skewed to suit the agenda of the person putting them out there

  • asp

    you can manipulate facts and statistics, life wisdom and experiance trump education
    sage, all you have been doing is manipulating facts and deliviering them to suit your point of veiw

    the japanese were invading korea and china and opressing those people before the trade embargo you mentioned, and they were allied with the nazi’s, they coluded to have war on the usa, germany delcared war the day after pearl harbor…you are trying to imply a trade embargo caused the conflict?!!!!! please…….

    your insinuation that this trade embargo is what started the war with the japanese is ridiculas….gees you got to do a lot better than that…if you are buying into that as the cause of the japanese war against the usa, you have been severly mislead….

    no the facts state the arabs traded 15 million sub sahara africans…here you are trying to bend them to some kind of agenda i dont know where you are coming from

    the indians in the americas? the united states wasnt even a country by the time huge damage had been done to indians all over the americas…only a manipulator of facts would imply the usa was responsible for this…and most was disease that killed the indians….that isnt nazi style elimination of millions

    again how can you equate shooting wars in southeast asia with nazi’s rounding up jews in all of europe to exterminate them ?

    where is your facts that would indicate that less japanese would die in an american invasion than american, when huge numbers were diying in fire bombs in tokyo? your logic is mind boggling

    you have been skewing your facts to some agenda , why dont you just come out and give a little bit of your history ,like where are you from originaly ?

    sorry ,but your manipulated “facts” and statistics arnt convincing at all

    man this site is a magnet for conspiricy theory followers especialy with an agenda to distance themselves from the usa, there was an idiot on here actualy saying stalin was a great man and the trotskyites teamed with the jews and western capatalists to cause havoc in the soviet union and they were the real ones who eliminated the millions of people there, not stalin….

    like i say,if you need to tell your self these fantacies to beleive in your agenda, be my guest, but your arguments are not convincing me in any way or form

    you are an educated person,why cant you get some real wisdom in your historical analysis?

  • sage

    joao
    yes thanks for reminding me about hyundai. you are correct, the nissans sold in brasil
    are assembled in mexico. i did try 1 of the mahindras, at the time all were diesel models,
    no flex fuel & the diesels ran a little rough (not like the german diesels). also, not convinced
    about the dealership’s commitment to long term customer service. also parts replacement
    could be an issue.

    re. my shattered hopes, i thought with bndes being loose with the purse strings, etc. gm usa’s
    troubles could have been an opportunity for some smart brasilian private equity group to peel
    away gm do brasil from the mother ship (a la opel in germany), especially given that like opel,
    gm do brasil aside from feeding the mother ship hefty profits, pretty much operates as an
    independent standalone entity. que triste 😥

  • sage

    asp
    conjecture is in the eye of the beholder. facts are facts & can be researched for authenticity.
    1 just has to go about it w/ an open mind. oh, & i forgot to add the systematic genocide &
    displacement of approx. 15 million indigenous no. americans (over a longer time frame).

    all i am doing is putting things in perspective. the #s when tallied up speak for themselves,
    different target populations, different methods, similar objectives by 2 competing imperial systems.

    1 can keep debating the degree of sin & horror till the end of time, but it does not make 1 evil less than
    another. i suppose 1 could argue degrees of evilness, if you may.

    finally, your prejudice peaked thru ;-), the british & the portuguese were the largest black slave traders,
    not the arabs. they were just not as organized & commercial about it.

  • asp

    anonymous
    “So what you’re saying is the Nazis were Jewish Friendly until the final hour, and then, BAM!, they did away with perhaps 10-20% of total population? Well, I must say, I was severely mistaken in my estimation of Prussian efficiency, for one thing I thought it depended on logistics. “

    i dont know what is hard to understand. the nazi’s didnt start purging europe of jews until they over ran those countries…and , what is so hard about understanding that in the late 20’s and 30’s the soviets had concentration camps and eliminated millions and most people could only stand by and watch from outside…so nazi’s doing what they did before they really started purging europe , could only be watched from the outside…once it was war and they invaded poland and over europe, it was anybodies guess what happened in the concentration camps , which as i said, the major gassing went on at the end of the war….what is so hard to understand about that?

    you , ananymous , are also very well educated , but seem to want to beleive in some conpiricy usa undermining of the world , trying to find underhanded dirt even in world war 2…trying to rewrite history to fit into the new world out look

    i listen to your theories and sage’s and then i know a doctor who entered the camps for real…i had an uncle waiting on the ships to invade japan for real…

    really , if you guys want to beleive in your conspiricay theories to justify your desire to put down the usa and distance yourself from it, please be my guest. but dont think you are convincing me when i know real individuals involved in the real time experiance

    i see many people on differant forums i participate on, well educated, from europe, canada, even new zealand on the miami herald… have all this re written history of how they think things really have been going down in the world with the usa as the ultimate villain and cause of all that is bad in the world ,with hindsight vision and glances at the soviet union propaganda page, usualy unknowingly…there is never ever any admision that this is really a dirty world with the usa a really small time player in the real man’inhumanity to man history…

    the fact you cant fathom that in this time of nazi represion in germany before they invaded poland , at the same time, the soviet union was eliminating 20 million people……unbeleivable figures , that shaped why other people in the world decided to be engaged with these kind of forces…and it caused a lot of death and destruction in world war 2 and the cold war…yeah its a dirty world

    but you know what…….i love freedom

  • asp

    you have knowledge, sage, but lots of conjecture…..
    all the conflicts you mentioned of the usa south east asia, while really incriminating of usa imperialism and lies (gulf of tonquin), have nothing in common with nazi’s going after jews specificly for extermination….while you can blame this impetuous imperilism for being part of the reason for chaos, the communists deserve their part for the blame, especialy in cambodia. and the blame also goes go to both willing residents of vietnam that invited the usa and the communist aid to come in and fight. vietnam was a violent country with a history way before the usa entered in the fight…

    the usa paid a severe price for its folly and iraq is another blatent brand of imperialistic blunder…but in no way equals nazi extermination camps…surly you dont think abu grade or grantanamo comes close to that do you? and all the south east asia deaths that every one participated in dont equal the numbers of all people exterminated by the nazi’s

    i just cant buy that it is any where near the same as nazi’s systematicly going after jews and others in their society and ruthlessly exterminating them….that is as mind boggling as equating the recent desician to hang election protesters in iran with executions of convicted murderers in the usa…..really , sage, for an educated person like yourself, both acuasations are wild logic

    the farm outside sao paulo was in the early thirties and only used as an example that the nazi’s would surly used black slaves to run thier farms if they had continued world domination . they certainly would have hooked up with the dominant german comunities in the south and taken advantage of brazil’s vast recources…yes the arabs were the largest slave traders, but, my point was an isolated incident in the early 30’s that leads me to beleive they would have enslaved portions of the brazilian people to work the land…for sure you are right they were in misery anyway….but i think the nazi’s would have been different…more brutal

    havnet digested your total analysis of eastarn europe and japan motives, but, your abomb and usa entrance in the war is total conjecture and based on conspiricy theories.its not convincing enough.for sure , the japanese bombing the usa and then germany declaring war on the usa the next day was a co ordinated effort and in their plans to dominate the world

    they killed more japanese fire bombing tokyo than in the a bombs…for sure an invasion would have wasted millions of japanese , again this is only conjecture on your part…it was very much in their psyche to not surrender…this partial surrender or going through russia to try to surrender or showing the russians the a bomb power is all conjecture also….for sure there were partites in japan that could see the writing on the wall but the main desician makers were not surrendering…

    you cant build valid historical factual information on conspiracy conjecture…like i say, sage, you are well educated but it looks like you bought into some not all together factual conspiricies…..

    look , im not saying the usa is innocent by any means, but to not ackowledge the whole dirty story in all these situations and then compare the usa to nazi germany leaves a lot to be desired , and makes me wonder what your agenda is to skew it so hard against the usa in this , sage. …not that you are alone in trying to skew it against the usa these days

  • anonymous

    “extraneous bombastic circumlocution” is a line from Monty Python’s Flying Circus, just recycling…

    It is a duty to criticize one’s own country, I do so whenever possible. I can’t criticize Lula and Amorin for lending a listening ear to the middle east, Chavez or Castro, it is just diplomacy and commerce, the only things a modern state is entitled to.

  • sage

    asp
    ‘where are you from sage? and where are you coming from ? a statement like that makes anything intelligent you have said have to be questioned’
    let’s say that i am from mars looking down at planet earth objectively & obvservations based on facts doesn’t always go down well! 😀

    ‘i dont care what veiw you look at the world with, there is nothing the usa did after world war 2 that comes close to what the nazi’s did ,and what they would have done to the world if they had won…..nothing…’
    vietnam, cambodia, laos, central america, iraq, (millions of civilians slaughtered altogether, liberal use of chemical weapons, depleted uranium, napalm, etc. you can get # approximations by doing some diligent research)

    ‘you do know the nazis had a farm outside sao paulo where they kept black slaves,dont you?’
    historical facts denote that black slavery was practiced most by the arabs, british & portuguese, with the latter 2 driving the highest volumes.

    ‘they did want to enslave eastarn europe’
    eastern europe – baltic states, have historically been ruled/dominated by sweden, russia &/or prussia.
    eastern europe – poland, hungary, ukraine etc., have historically been ruled/dominated by prussia, austria (germanics) &/or russia.
    eastern europe – balkans, have historically been ruled/dominated by germanics, russia &/or ottoman turks.
    & before that by rome & it’s follow on byzantime realm. the current countries of ‘eastern europe’ were for the most part artificially
    created entities after ww1, from the remanants of primarily the austro-hungarian & ottoman empires. this has always been the
    historical geopolitics of eastern europe – when not occupied, then serving as buffer against germany & russia (as today).

    ‘they supported an imperial japanese army that wanted to enslave the orient,’
    the orient from suez to the south pacific was already enslaved by european colonial powers – britain, france, holland
    this includes most of the arab lands, the quasi occupation of iran by the british & russians, the indian subcontinent, all
    of se asia, indonesia, the phillipines (by the us), most of se coastal china, also known as the pearl river delta.

    ‘you think they wouldnt have enslaved brown and black people in brazil?’
    most brown & black people around the world were still enslaved at the start of ww2 by the british, french, belgians, dutch, portuguese, etc. (the so called allies)
    it was called colonialism. besides, the nazis had no interest in occupying the americas. their focus was on creating a unified europa from the atlantic to the urals
    under nazi control.

    ‘the atom bomb? i had an uncle waiting outside in the ships that would have had to invade japan and in the process might have gotten killed and would have killed many more japonese than the a bombs’
    the conflict with japan was induced by us secretary of state cordell hull, who ordered a trade embargo on japan toward the end of the 1930’s (shades of cuba, iraq, iran, et. al.). this is an act of war &
    was perceived as such by the japanese govt. this resulted in the premptive attack on pearl harbor (shades of iraq). in late 1945, the japanese govt was ready to end the war thru a negotiated peace settlement.
    however, the us wanted an unconditional surrender, which obviously the japanese refused. invasion/occupation of the japanese home islands via conventional means would require 1 million us troops & losses that
    were deemed not to be cost beneficial, as most of the dead w/b us troops (not many more japanese as you state). & so the use of nuclear bombs, on which note the war then ended. remember, truman also used it as a message to the soviets.

  • João da Silva

    anonymous
    [quote]I’m sorry it took so long for me to see your question, JoÀƒ£o. No, I’m not acquainted with Mr. Lloyd Cata, I only visit this forum sporadically, but I’ll try to become acquainted with a few of his comments.[/quote]

    No need to apologize for taking so long to see and answer my question, Anonymous. It is a pity that you didn’t get “acquainted” with Dr.Cata who also comes to this forum sporadically and when he does, he gives a thorough “minjada” to everyone including himself.He criticizes all the countries including his own. 😥

    [quote]Do you know of any articles in which he specially exercised much of his extraneous bombastic circumlocution? [/quote]

    I suggest you go a bit slow in criticizing his “exercising much of his extraneous bombastic circumlocution”, because he is a bit of a dictator and doesn’t take any criticism from any quarters. Please dont count on me to defend you when he sees your comments and counter attacks you with his customary (and witty) tirade.

    As for the articles he has written, I would request you to enter “Lloyd Cata” in the search engine of this site and you will find plenty of material to read about him till the Thanks Giving Day.

    He hasnt been touch with us recently, BUT…BUT….BUT…. I came to know through other “reliable sources” that he is busy writing his latest book titled [b]”The Americas and Africa: The Last Plantation”[/b]. Hope he sends me a complementary copy, duly autographed.

    BTW, I beg your forgiveness for confusing you with Dr.Cata. That was because you demanded everybody read “The Shock and Awful Doctrine” of that Canuck fella. 😉

  • anonymous

    Do you know of any articles in which he specially exercised much of his extraneous bombastic circumlocution?

  • anonymous

    I’m sorry it took so long for me to see your question, JoÀƒ£o. No, I’m not acquainted with Mr. Lloyd Cata, I only visit this forum sporadically, but I’ll try to become acquainted with a few of his comments.

  • João da Silva

    sage
    [quote]living in brasil, i will absolutely not buy a us or european car. i buy pre-owned,
    dealer certified japanese/korean autos direct from the dealer – toyota, honda, kia [/quote]

    You are absolutely right about U.S. and European designed cars in Brasil. Fortunately for the past 10 years, Brasilians are having the options to buy the ones from Japan & Korea. You haven’t added Hyundai o your list. Nissan vehicles sold here are made in Mexico, aren’t they?. Recently I saw an Indian designed vehicle called “Mahindra” that is manufactured in Manaus. One of these days, I intend test driving them, though I don’t need that kind of vehicle.

    [quote]i believe the japanese & korean product quality & auto dealership networks in brasil are going to revolutionize the industry from a customer service & value standpoint – [/quote]

    They have been doing it for the past 10 years and are becoming a threat to the European and U.S. car manufacturers.

    [quote]i hope to see a brasilian ‘champion’ develop in this sector in the next 5 years.[/quote]

    I am afraid your hopes are going to be shattered. 😥

  • João da Silva

    asp
    An interesting item of the “World News” caught my attention today! When Mr.Ahmadinejad is on a state visit to Brasil, LulaÀ‚´s “Amigo Singh” of India is on state visit to your country.I am posting the interview he gave to the Newsweek correspondent on the eve of his visit:
    [url]http://www.newsweek.com/id/223826[/url]

    Especially of interest are his views on the future of the U.S. economy and on IranÀ‚´s Nuclear program. I think that LulaÀ‚´s governmentÀ‚´s policy is the same as that of his “Amigo Singh”. By next week, Mr.Lula might be referring to Mr.Ahmadinejad as “Amigo Ahmad”. 😀

    Whatever may be LulaÀ‚´s faults, but he does know how to make friends with the leaders of other countries.

  • João da Silva

    asp
    [quote]”Should you walk into the trap of Mr.Anonymous, again ? LMAO. “

    joao, i have no idea what you are saying, please put the opium pipe down for second and explain
    [/quote]

    Sorry, ASP. I thought it was our friend Dr.Lloyd Cata trying to remain “anonymous” and provoke you into a witty debate. 😀

  • anonymous

    So what you’re saying is the Nazis were Jewish Friendly until the final hour, and then, BAM!, they did away with perhaps 10-20% of total population? Well, I must say, I was severely mistaken in my estimation of Prussian efficiency, for one thing I thought it depended on logistics.

  • asp

    anomonous ,in reguards to your arguments about knowing about the exterminations
    most of the exterminations happened after the war started ,especialy towards the end of the war

    nobody really had an idea of what was really going on until they got there , not even a portion of the german people knew what was going on

    you have to do better than that if you are going to make generalised statements

  • asp

    “Should you walk into the trap of Mr.Anonymous, again ? LMAO. ”

    joao, i have no idea what you are saying, please put the opium pipe down for second and explain

    “Being a free market with so many trading partners, I believe South Korea has little to gain or lose by being Washington’s lapdog, although military ties prevent it from actually refusing to be so. All in all, South Korea has done quite well for itself, although we should not forget USA poured much money into it in order to showcase it as model capitalist state, and afterwards to get a share out of the market in the consumer electronics boom let by Japan. “

    lap dog is your term, i used south korea as an example of the usa got involved in a conflict and the end result is a flowing free democracy compared to north korea who tried to dominate the area , your responce and premise sure doesnt satisfy me….as far as lula ,i never said anything about his philosophies, he is ok with me, i dont fault him for his ideologies because he played a very diplomatic game….chavez is a differant story and his support of farc is contributing to the rape of big cities in brazil

    “how can you judge if a national socialist (nazi) regime w/b any better or worse than a suffocating,
    exploitative, genocidal anglo-american imperial regime, for global citizens living in the periphery.
    remember, history is written by the victors “

    where are you from sage? and where are you coming from ? a statement like that makes anything intelligent you have said have to be questioned

    i dont care what veiw you look at the world with, there is nothing the usa did after world war 2 that comes close to what the nazi’s did ,and what they would have done to the world if they had won…..nothing…

    you do know the nazis had a farm outside sao paulo where they kept black slaves,dont you? they did want to enslave eastarn europe and they supported an imperial japanese army that wanted to enslave the orient, you think they wouldnt have enslaved brown and black people in brazil?….the atom bomb? i had an uncle waiting outside in the ships that would have had to invade japan and in the process might have gotten killed and would have killed many more japonese than the a bombs….im glad the war ended

  • sage

    joao
    living in brasil, i will absolutely not buy a us or european car. i buy pre-owned,
    dealer certified japanese/korean autos direct from the dealer – toyota, honda, kia

    i believe the japanese & korean product quality & auto dealership networks in brasil
    are going to revolutionize the industry from a customer service & value standpoint –
    it’s about time. over time they w/b gaining significant marketshare. dont forget our
    very own brasilian firebrand carlos ghosn who did an excellent job turning around nissan.

    in my experience, it is us & taiwanese corps. that mostly use ‘cheap’ prc labor. the japanese corps.
    use ‘cheap’ vietnamese & indonesian labor.

    finally, w/ all the design centers & product development going on in brasil’s foreign owned auto
    sector along w/ the freeflowing capital, in tribute to chc, i hope to see a brasilian ‘champion’
    develop in this sector in the next 5 years. brasilian cos. build great boats, yachts, catamarans,
    & buses. i dont see why we cannot field a domestic car co. the critical ingredients are all present.

  • João da Silva

    anonymous
    [quote]I voted for that university’s dean that promised to look into education, forgot his name. [/quote]

    If you tell me why you voted for the dean and then forgot his name, I will tell ya some of the reasons for the complaints against Lula and his adepts. 😉

  • João da Silva

    anonymous
    [quote]All in all, South Korea has done quite well for itself, although we should not forget USA poured much money into it in order to showcase it as model capitalist state, and afterwards to get a share out of the market in the consumer electronics boom let by Japan.[/quote]

    You have a point there,old chap. Japan has done well giving a big boost to Vietnam too. IMHO, the goods made in Vietnam are of much better quality than the ones made in PRC. NIKON digital cameras designed by the Japanese, manufactured in Vietnam and sold all over the world. Incredible. LG electronics products made in Manaus? far superior than the European and Chinese made junk. Automobiles imported from Japan? Great. Would never think of replacing mine with the locally made ones of American & French manufacturers.

    I am afraid we have lost our western “superiority” to the eastern “Barbarians”. I suggest we all go back to the caves and scratch the walls, as was suggested by “Baghdad Bob”. Even the “Poodle” has taken up his suggestion and become the “Ambassador” to the Middle East to make more money for the greater glory of the so called “Western Civilization” and pay a percentage to the “Crown”.

  • anonymous

    I didn’t actually vote for Lula, I voted for that university’s dean that promised to look into education, forgot his name. Still, I wold love to listen to some serious complaints about Lula, opinions by people who actually know the difference between rightist and leftist policies, instead of basing all their resentment on the knowledge that he has read some Marx and Trotsky, and being disgusted that he was voted in by the poor, people able to differentiate between a political party from a soccer team, and people who don’t have the intention of reducing the political spectrum to right and moderates, as in the USA.

  • anonymous

    Being a free market with so many trading partners, I believe South Korea has little to gain or lose by being Washington’s lapdog, although military ties prevent it from actually refusing to be so. All in all, South Korea has done quite well for itself, although we should not forget USA poured much money into it in order to showcase it as model capitalist state, and afterwards to get a share out of the market in the consumer electronics boom let by Japan.

  • João da Silva

    sage
    [quote]thanks for the reminder[/quote]

    You are welcome anytime. 😉

  • João da Silva

    [quote]I say lets’ listen to what the President of Iran has to say, how can we distiguish between the two sides (Israel and Iran) if we only listen to Israel?[/quote]

    I am afraid young Rogerio is right and no sane Brasilian would contest him!

    [quote]i ELECTED PRESIDENT LULA AND ONLY HIM HAS THE AUTHORITY TO SAY THINGS IM MY NAME! [/quote]

    Even though I didn’t vote for him, he is authorized to receive H.E. Ahmadinejad and extend the traditional Brasilian hospitality.

    Cheers, Rogerio.

  • sage

    joao
    al gore – now mr. carbon, lol, i forgot about him, thanks for the reminder 😉

  • anonymous

    Well asp, in regard to the WWII, certainly a difficult topic, but one must at least wonder, the Allied Forces were able to sniff out every single project, foil most of them, then round up nearly every single Scientist, Engineer, and most of their data, but they had no idea Jews were losing their property, being confined to ghettos, carted off somewhere, gassed and incinerated? Should we not also attribute some of viciousness to many years of blockade, and just say it was all a product of the regime, and impute great part of it to the German character?

  • João da Silva

    asp
    [quote]answer to your question , anamonous[/quote]

    Should you walk into the trap of Mr.Anonymous, again ? LMAO. 😀 😉

  • sage

    dalmo
    the problem for people like you is that there are people like me who do actually think! since
    when did a rational thought process represent ‘hate’ & ‘bitterness’…..interesting analogies.

    the chinese pay attention to the us as a competitor (economic, geopolitical) & potential aggressor
    the russians pay attention to the us as a competitor (geopolitical) & potential aggressor
    the europeans pay attention to the us because they host significant #s of us military bases & their
    financial systems are beholden to us toxic assets.

    all great powers since the time of antiquity have paid great attention to each others moves.

    finally, in this world there are many possibilities of progress (depending on how 1 defines
    progress). remember, progress is a human condition, not just a us condition, where the
    us is 1 of many contributors. somehow you conveniently forget 5000 years of human history.

    regarding the chavez cookbook, i can assure you my culinary skills are quite undeveloped. 😉

    as regards ‘ranting’, at what point does stating an opinion become a ‘rant’ – perhaps when the
    other party is not in agreement…………

  • Rogerio

    MR.
    To All,
    After reading thru all the B.S. written from some of the clowns here I could not hold myself and had to say my bit,

    I say lets’ listen to what the President of Iran has to say, how can we distiguish between the two sides (Israel and Iran) if we only listen to Israel?
    We all kown that Israell dominatges the midia all over the world,
    I say I did not give the interviewer any authorithy to tell the Iranian president anything im my name, I DID NOT ELECT HIM, i ELECTED PRESIDENT LULA AND ONLY HIM HAS THE AUTHORITY TO SAY THINGS IM MY NAME!
    So to all the americans and jews who want to shut up the iranian president voice I say : I want to listen to his opinion too!
    Cherrs
    “the silent Brazilian people”

  • João da Silva

    sage
    I expected you to comment about The.Shock.Doctrine and [b][i]not [/i][/b]the “Shock and Awe” strategy with which Dalmo got mixed up with. Of course by now we know the later strategy is Shocking and Awful. 😀 😉

    BUT…BUT… you have to give credit to Al Gore for invented the Internet. He is not a foreign born citizen of U.S., if I might remind ya. 8)

  • anonymous

    It’s not a question of gratitude or ingratitude, USA subsidizes sugar production from beets, and industrial ethanol production from corn, which is synonymous with flushing public money down the drain, should we take that as a personal affront? Let’s use a simple example, how big do you believe Hollywood would be without foreign distribution? Supposing that having a puppet government has no effect on the populace, what is there to be gained by pursuing ever closer ties with USA? (except the occasional sage ultimatums demanding government to cease distributing free condoms, of course)

  • asp

    answer to your question , anamonous
    after world war 2 because the usa saved a lot of countries in world war 2

    south korrea

    do you see how they demonstrate against the police there? they charge them like a bunch of jackie chans kicking and throwing things at the police….what would happen in north korrea?…i mean look at north korrea….demonstrators would be eliminated, and hanging criminals for murder is a lot differant than hanging them for demonstrating against elections….that is clear in my mind

    holocuast ? european problem ? the usa knew about it before (turning away immigrants is a lot differant from knowing they would be eliminated )? my father knew an army doctor that was the first to enter the camps….know about them? they had no idea…this guy developed a life long limp from seeing it close up for the first time…

    it was world war 2….42 million people died …many millions of other people were also eliminated by the nazi’s…their blood lust was only equaled by the soviet union hammer and cycle elimination process

    world war 2 had many roots in world war 1 , that included the ottoman empire and its fall ….it lost, the nazis lost, the soviet union empire colapsed….all these factors shaped the world and the middle east …..i dont forget that dynamic, not for one second in the years that have followed

    yes, because of the unbeleivible cruelty of the nazis directed at the jewish people, there was sympathy and support for israel as it emerged….wrongs done, for sure, but in context of the world wars, just part of the reality of an ever shifting world. there is concenses of thought that palistinians deserve a state and israel is acting bery brutily to contain very real threats from the various groups bombing them….these concerns should be addressed but in the face of world war realities , various declared wars and statements about destroying israel, no one is going to just bow over…these irrational haters are the ones who have to suck it up

    the shah? the brutal shaw ? well what if the islamic fundimentalism that took over was never allowed to? no war between iraq and iran where 1 million people died….rumsfeld with hussein ? so what, two scum bags, has any one here come from a country that hasnt had scum bags ? just because a country doesnt invade another country doesnt mean they cant be punising its own people with unbeleivable statistics of misery….yeah, iran contra…disgusting…but, iran and iraq would have gone to war any way…one million people died……would they have if the shah stayed in power

    most armed conflicts in the last 60 years have been started by islamic fundimentlists…

    i say, fine if brazil wants to do business with iran…there is even winds of change blowing there….the usa does a lot of business in the middle east so why not brazil ?

    i just plain dont like this guy…what he sais or his values and they way he represses his people or his boss too,(my god they are hanging 6 people for demonstrating, that is not like being executed for murder) or the values they have on their women…i just plain dont like it…but i would never say ban him or dont do business

  • sage

    dalmo
    most of the ‘innovation’ done in the us is driven by the military industrial complex. this
    includes the internet. however, most of the programming technology – java, html, etc.
    that make the www possible, were developed in europe.

    40% of the innovators are foreign born – who as in any imperial system gravitate from
    the periphery to the core – many of them are now heading back to the periphery, where
    there are better opportunities to be had for them, while the core starts to crumble.

    there is more advanced cancer research done in germany & japan (remember japan being
    on the receiving end of 2 nuclear bombs, resulting in many cancers). many of the
    innovations from there are licensed for manufacture/marketing to large us pharma cos.

    astronomy, chemistry, etc. you need to look at germany. after ww2, the us expropriated all of
    germany’s advanced technologies including some of her best scientists (some say the largest
    free transfer of technology in history). the us space, aeronautic, missile, nuclear, computing &
    other programs are all courtsey of german brainpower. The world’s 1st computing machine was
    developed by ibm germany by it’s staff of german engineers.

    ford is investing U$3.2 billion in brasil. where in the world today can ford invest such capital &
    hope to reap better profits? the brasilian & chinese markets are keeping ford (& gm) alive. ford
    is not doing brasil any favors, on the contrary.

    today, the real ‘engine’ is china & the us did not open it’s doors to her. it was a marriage
    of convenience to contain the ussr. the chinese (an ancient civilization), just played
    smarter.

    how can you judge if a national socialist (nazi) regime w/b any better or worse than a suffocating,
    exploitative, genocidal anglo-american imperial regime, for global citizens living in the periphery.
    remember, history is written by the victors & those who control the global media.

  • João da Silva

    Dalmo Accorsini
    [quote]Besides it’s time for a new direction and to be part of the of something new.[/quote]

    This is precisely the reason why Mr.Serra is not going to win. The Brasilians voters are not all that dumb. The same reason for Dilma losing, [i][b]if at all[/b][/i] she is nominated. Just mark my words. Now time for me to go back to sleep. 😉

  • João da Silva

    anonymous
    [quote]By the way, are you acquainted with the “The.Shock.Doctrine”?[/quote]

    Humm….Humm……. You are [i][b]not[/b][/i] a man to be underestimated, Comrade. 😀
    BUT…BUT….do you really have to remain anonymous? 😉

  • anonymous

    Oh yes, the US of A is grand. By the way, are you acquainted with the “The.Shock.Doctrine”?

  • anonymous

    Just for fun, could anyone please lay all their grievances against Lula(other than being red)? Name a single country that has benefited by being Washington’s lapdog.

  • sage

    dalmo
    dalmo,

    joao is representative of the enlightened, educated brasilian class.

    what makes you so sure that mr. serra will pursue policies that run contrary to
    brasil’s self interest – especially give as you correctly state that the brasilian people
    are very smart.

  • João da Silva

    Dalmo Accorsini
    [quote]Wake up Joao![/quote]

    I am fully awake, Dalmo. Rest assured.

    [quote]Btw: he’ll be gone soon enough![/quote]

    How sure are you?

    [quote]Serra will revert all the mistakes this ignorant made.[/quote]

    This guy has no chance and even if he wins, he isn’t going to revert anything. You better wake up and I aint kidding.

  • João da Silva

    sage
    [quote]mr. a is a highly educated individual (phd in urban planning) & a product of an ancient civilization that has
    contributed much to the world. [/quote]

    A real technocrat and no wonder he is another [i][b]rational [/b][/i]creature from the so called “ancient” civilization.

    [quote]contrary to what most assume, mr. k & not mr. a. has the last word on all things political in iran.[/quote]

    It must be very difficult for Mr.A to deal with irrational clergies like living Mr.K and the late Mr.K. I sympathize with Dr.A!

    [quote]i believe andrade may have been engaged in a little tongue in cheek commentary. [/quote]

    I suspect he is not just “Andrade”, but “Dr.Andrade”. He is a very modest person, though. Just like Dr.A. 😀

  • João da Silva

    [quote]Lula is making a huge mistake siding with the likes of Chavez and this monster.[/quote]

    Sir, how dare you make such a comment against our [i][b]duly[/b][/i] elected leader who enjoys almost 95% of popularity among his people. Shame on you. 🙁

  • sage

    response to interesting comments
    rather than getting ino circular arguments, i w/ make some factual observations that hopefully present the
    other side of the coin for the audience:

    we all know whose interests eliot engels serves & they are definitely not those of either the us or brasil

    william waack should stay focused on being an objective interviewer & not make representations on behalf
    of the brasilian president & the people of brasil. i’d like to know when was the last time waack was actually
    in touch w/ the brasilian people & office of the president.

    mr. a is a highly educated individual (phd in urban planning) & a product of an ancient civilization that has
    contributed much to the world.

    contrary to what most assume, mr. k & not mr. a. has the last word on all things political in iran.

    iran has not invaded any country for the past 200 years. there is only 1 country in the world that
    has actually ‘used’ nuclear weapons – albeit w/o justification & fully knowing the destruction that w/b
    unleashed on a civilian population. it’s not iran.

    iran is surrounded by nuclear powers – russia, israel, pakistan, india & surrounded by us/nato occupying
    armies to the west, east & south.

    all of the 6 powers (who present as the ‘international community’ along w/ their trojan horse
    instigator, take a guess) have all actively engaged in crimes against humanity w/i the last 200 years
    of their history (approx. 100 years for the trojan horse instigator). so it w/b like the pot calling the
    kettle black.

    was the year 2000 us election really free & fair. are most us elections fair given the gerrymandering
    that goes on w/ district lines, the influence of corrupt lobbies, etc.

    hangings & life sentences are a common occurrance in the us legal system & is considered fair punishment for the
    violent criminal class – that generally disproportionately impact people of color. although some of the
    most henious & dastardly crimes committed on us soil have been by caucasian males.

    mr. a. has raised some very valid points about the holocaust. the man actually has the courage to say
    what most only think. should he really be demonized for this. do the peoples of the levant have to
    pay such a brutal price for the sins of eurpoeans?

    who has given the north atlantic centric corporatist anglo/zionist media permission to shape opinions
    & pretend thought leadership for all of humanity. how is this different from china’s strict control of it’s state media?
    this does not work in the internet/information age.

    i believe andrade may have been engaged in a little tongue in cheek commentary.

  • João da Silva

    asp
    [quote]and dont bother saving me a seat…i cant make it.[/quote]

    If that is the case, I will auction off your seat to the highest bidder (perhaps to Batistti ) and pass half of the proceeds of the sale to you, so that you can buy a new place to live. If you need to beef up the security of your new neighborhood, I can always talk to the Iranian President to lend us some “Islamic Revolutionary Guards” who might work for us for less than what it costs to bring in the Delta Force. 😉 😀

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  • asp

    no joao, i insist on sending over a bucket of quivering korean churrasco…
    and dont bother saving me a seat…i cant make it…im busy fixing an apartment in my building for battisti to live….one month in my building and he will be screaming to get back to italy

  • asp

    hey now, andrades has got a point about sharia law…
    man, good for you andrade for really being a visionary of one posible future for brazil

    nothing like cultural mergers….i mean, sensuality will have to take a back seat, or perhaps just buried…..who needs it….it seems so insignificant to the great benifits sharia law could bring to brazil….we have had far too much look at the female derrier, its time for a change…

    it is just fantastic to hear abberjabberwhacky talk about the cultural similarities to brazil and iran….i mean 80 percent of their tirades about the west are about the decadent culture, the revealing dress of the women…

    i guess they need a place like brazil to not condemn and sneak down and get their freak on…you know all those suicide bombers go to prostitutes before they do their mission…

    but, right on , andrade, sharia law in brazil is an idea whose time has come

    hammer and cycles , revolutionaries and islamic fundimentalists unite, you all have a lot in common

  • João da Silva

    anonymous
    Good points.

    BTW, have you heard from our other comrade Dr.Lloyd Cata ? 😀

  • João da Silva

    [quote]Welcome Comrade[/quote]

    That is a short and sweet welcome note of adddress to H.E. Ahmadinejad, Comrade Andrade . You are cordially invited for the lunch or dinner we would be organizing for him if he decides to extend his stay in Brasil and come over to visit our state. You also would be seated next to him.

  • Andrade

    Welcome Comrade
    Our comrade from Iran is welcome because he wants to blunt the power of the arrogant Gringoes.
    Brazil, Venezuela and Iran should work together for the bomb.
    Shariah law has many good points and we can adapt to new things in Brazil.
    Workers and Revolutionaries unite!

  • João da Silva

    asp
    Thanks for joining the “Committee” to welcome His Excellency, the President of Iran and I am totally enchanted with your customary enthusiasm in propagating our Brasilian culture to our visiting dignitaries and “commoners” alike. You have demonstrated times that you are “un Homme san FrontiÀƒ¨re and appreciates all DerriÀƒ¨rs”.

    [quote]host him for lunch, joao[/quote]

    If he had planned to come over here, I would have certainly done it and needless to mention that you would be invited and made to sit next to him. No need to worry about furnishing buckets full of tasteless Korean food. We have the ability to organize a catering service that would ensure that only Halal food is served to all of us.

    [quote]hey but go right ahead and make trade deals, i do business with scum all the time to get paid[/quote]

    You finally caught on to it, eh? CHASE THE MONEY. 😉

  • anonymous

    Ever since I watched http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0363510/ , I have been very weary of how the USA paints leaders/dictators.

    If anyone was serious about nonproliferation, they would raise nuclear industry out of its infancy, by making nuclear fuel plentiful and cheap enough, and not just by merely recycling soviet nukes, and find ways to make sure power plants planned for 1 billion USD, don’t overbudget to 5 billion USD. But of course that can’t be, since so far the nuclear industry has always always been geared for facilitating the production of MORE nukes.

    When you feel the urge to hunt down holocaust naysayers, you should look no further than the Allied Forces, which denied it to the very last, quenched all accusations of its occurrence, denied entrance to the refugees and made sure they returned to the port of origin, and afterwards made a big political PR show about it all. But we’re already all guilty of genocide, our indignation only extends to the our ability to saddle and put down a specially historically conscientious people like the Germans, other than that, we will not allow to happen under our very noses, be it for oil like East Timor, or indifference like all the African genocides, but we will perpetrate it ourselves just to send a message to opposing economic block, Vietnam.

  • asp

    host him for lunch, joao
    ill gladly send over a bucket of quivering korean churrasco , you can tell him it definitly aint pork….

    you got to love how he took care of those protesters, sentancing 6 to get hanged….man that will shut the opisition up every time….

    yeah,this guy is just peachy creamy, real warm and fuzzy

    hey but go right ahead and make trade deals, i do business with scum all the time to get paid

  • asp

    maybe you could take him to some baile funk
    the next fasion show in rio should feature head scarfs and burkhas

    i mean you should get ready for a real cultural merging

  • asp

    yeah, joao, maybe you can get the girls on the beach to wear burkhas…
    i mean you wont want to offend the strict fundamentalist sensibilities of irans president

    you probably should substiture samba with belly dancing, they already talk more about tango down here than samba so you are quite used to that

    yeah, i guess its time for change in brazil

  • João da Silva

    [quote]American Representative Eliot Engel, a Democrat from New York and co-chairman of a caucus interested in improving US-Brazil relations, criticized president Lula for receiving Ahmadinejad.[/quote]

    With this kind of negative attitude towards Lula and his gross interference in the domestic affairs of Brasil, Eliot Engel is no big help in “improving” the US-Brasil relations.

    [quote]His only interest in Sth America is for setting up nuclear bases, and uranium mining.[/quote]

    This gentleman is cleverer and more of a visionary than Saddam Hussein . Saddam wanted just to buy yellow cakes from Niger, whereas Mr.Ahmadinejad wants to invest money in this continent in mining and building Nuclear plants, thus creating hundreds of thousands of jobs for the skilled and non skilled Brasilian as well as Iranian workers.

    [quote]President Ahmadinejad’s illegitimate elections,[/quote]

    No American can expect elections anywhere in the world to be as fair as theirs or in Afghanistan where Hamid Karzai elected himself “fairly” under their “close” supervision and “guidance”.

    [quote]The world is watching in horror at the way Ahmadinejad treats his own people. All those responsible are guilty of genocide. [/quote]

    An American President said the same thing in 2003 about Hussein. We presume the commentator wants to bring about a “regime change” in Iran and Mr.Ahmadinejad to meet SaddamÀ‚´s fate!

    Regardless of the protests lodged by the Americans, the entire Brasil from Oiapoque to ChuÀƒ­ is looking forward to the visit of the Iranian President. It is a pity that he is going to stay just for a day and will be unable to cover the entire territory. Hopefully he will spend more time with us during his future visits.

  • Nomoredespots

    Brazil isn’t ready to be taken seriously as a world player
    Ahmadinejad is a huge liar. His only interest in Sth America is for setting up nuclear bases, and uranium mining. His regime wants to rule the Earth.

    President Ahmadinejad’s illegitimate elections, brutal repression, murder, rape and torture of his own people, and the Iranian regime’s refusal to give up it’s nuclear weapons program seem to have no effect on countries like Brazil and Venezuela.

    Iran is one of the largest financial supporters of world terrorism, and probably had a hand in the finance of the 9/11 terror attack in New York, and yet Brazil is accommodating this lunatic madman, bent on destroying the West with his nuclear arsenal. History will show that tyrants are always defeated. There is no place on this earth for people who treat their own as animals.

    The world also knows that if the election had been fair, none of these problems would have happened.
    The world is watching in horror at the way Ahmadinejad treats his own people. All those responsible are guilty of genocide.

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