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US Ambassador Asks Brazil to Look at F-18’s Quality Before a Final Decision

F-18 Super HornetBrazilian president Luiz Inácio Lula da Silva once again stated that a final decision on the purchase of 36 fighter jets for the Brazilian Air Force has still not been made. He went on to say that the proposals by the three finalists remain under examination by the Ministry of Defense.

“One thing we insist on is a commitment to unrestricted transfer of all cutting edge technology,” said the president in an interview.

Lula said that a decision on the matter would have to be analyzed by the National Defense Council under the terms of the guidelines for National Defense Strategy.

The president also said the choice of the French Rafale, the Swedish Gripen or the American F-18 has to take into consideration the need to establish a national defense policy as a means to development and technological independence.

Meanwhile the new American ambassador in Brazil, Thomas Shannon, asked Lula to take into consideration the quality of the American fighter jets as he decides which one to buy.

Shannon said he believes a decision has not been made, although there are suspicions that  Brasília favors the French aircraft.

He added that there was no problem with selecting the other jets, all of them built by “friends and allies of the United States.”

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  • MORYPHIUS

    bottom line all countries act in their own self interest!!!!!!.and that includes france.and if brazil dont want the f/18s thats on them. u.s never has much of a problem getting rid of thousands of fighter aircraft;-)just like f-22s recently showed rafales a few things in dubai,and also f/18s taught rafales a lesson in 2008 exercises as reported from french pilots and french news articles,BRAZIL DONT U.S NO FAVORS TAKE THAT SECOND RATE RAFALE AND THOSE WEAK ENGINES AND OUT DATED SPECTRA RADAR THE FRENCH NEEDS TO SELL THE RAFALES TO SOMEONE.

  • Andrade

    [quote]I don’t deny that the US supported the Shah over 60 years ago. But what does that have to do with the price of tea in China? Of course we have paid for this for decades.[/quote]

    Get your arithmetic straight. 2010 minus 1979 equals 31 and [b][i]not[/i][/b] 60. Enlighten us how you paid for “this” for decades. Anyone who know a little bit of history will tell you (including your own compatriots) that a friend of yours paid with his life for embarking on a misadventure against those crazy mullahs in Iran with your full support. Do you remember his name and nationality? As for the price of tea in China, we are not interested and in fact [i][b]you[/b][/i] should be concerned.

    [quote]Besides, did Brazil ever speak a single complaint against the Shah?[/quote]

    No, because considered ourselves as a non-aligned and never liked to interfere in the domestic affairs of any country and our diplomacy was always like that with or without Lula. Besides, Iran was never a threat to us.

    [quote]Both Lula and Brazil will have egg on their face and be on the wrong side of history.[/quote]

    Lula might have the egg on his face, but not the [i][b]entire[/b][/i] country.So stop saying “Shame on Brazil”.

    [quote]Don’t make assumptions about all Americans as supporting Israel. [/quote]

    I know that and it is the reason I don’t say “Shame on America” for the successive U.S. governments supporting Israel blindly.

    [quote]On February 11, there will be a mass protest in Iran against this illegitmate regime. It is likely to be a bloody affair like the past ones.[/quote]

    It is up to the Iranians to change the “illegitimate” regime and the Brazilians can do nothing about it. There are plenty of Ex-pat Iranians in both U.S. and Europe. They have more influence on the governments of the respective countries they live. They can choose their version of Karzai or Chalabi and send him to Iran to bring about a “regime change” in Tehran.

    The “International Community” gets upset and doesn’t want to give us a permanent seat in the U.N. security council? Great news. I wouldn’t lose my sleep over this issue.

  • fired chc

    ……
    [b]Luigi Vercotti…..[/b]

    Vaffanculo, Ti metto il cazzo in culo e te lo faccio uscire dalla bocca, leccacazzi.

    Costinha

    Hehehe

  • fired chc

    …….
    [b]Psycho Talk with Ms. Nichoals (usa_shemale):[/b]

    Let’s make it believe does not make it true…. Wake up and smell the coffee, LIMP DICK!

    Brasil has no enemies, we can travel to all nations on earth using the Brasilian Passport, not so for amerikans. Because the US hates Iran (after decades of doing evil in that nation), they want all their so called allies to do the same… not so, (….o….) holes!

    Nicholas Queer Boy….I Is Your Penis An Introvert? Hehehe

    God Mess America,

    Costinha

  • Nichoals usa_male

    “Can’t even trade friendly with Argentina”

    Luigi, I don’t know what kind of newspapers you read, but trading with a crooked and protectionist kirchner administration is never friendly. The Argies want it both way and it’s clear the Brazilians make it them clear that it’s simply not possible. I wish my country made that also clear to communist China, but opps, they are our bankers.

    Hunh, You talk about corruption in Brazil? Let’s mind our own business of corruption here at home. Obama drama the progressive is one of the most corrupted president I’ve ever seen. If Brazil wants to behave like a super power, let them. We here in the States should be more concerned about our cdeficits and tremendous out of control and wasteful spending, that is killing us. Now back to the story, I still hope that Brazil will pick for the super hornet, but I doubt that will happen because they simply don’t trust us thanks to the people in that corrupted swamp area called Washington DC. Lula is a fiscal discipline progessive, but he’s sees it damn right that he can’t trust is socialist friend obama drama the liar. I give him credit for that.
    What does Iran has to do with this article? If Brazil wants to do business with Iran, let them. We can’t do much about Iran, unfortunately, we’re stuck in 2 wars we can’ afford and if we go to war with Iran, our banker China will make our lifes miserable. That’s is the reality thanks to our own leaders in DC and only it gets worse with Obama drama.

  • hunh?

    I don’t deny that the US supported the Shah over 60 years ago. But what does that have to do with the price of tea in China? Of course we have paid for this for decades. But if want to say that a poor decision by the US 60 years ago somehow justifies current Brazilian support for a dictator, I can only say two wrongs don’t make a right. The US is not the same country it was in the 1950s when they supported the Shah. Besides, did Brazil ever speak a single complaint against the Shah? No, they just lined up with the US to buy cheap oil. Also, at this point, from what I have learned of Iran, much of the youth is more friendly to the West and the US, and intensely critical of the current illegitimate regime. Young people go on weekend retreats to the countryside where they play western music and follow western cultural habits. Many of them dream of living in and studying in the West and the US.
    Squirm? I think the only one squirming is Lula as he tries to justify hugging this dictator. He will squirm further when this regime falls and he needs to give an honest account of why he embraced this man like a brother. Both Lula and Brazil will have egg on their face and be on the wrong side of history. Is this Lula’s idea of Brazil’s contribution to global politics? PATHETIC! Shameful! Deceitful!

    On February 11, there will be a mass protest in Iran against this illegitmate regime. It is likely to be a bloody affair like the past ones. Any honest Brazilian will be able to see the true nature of this brutal regime. Now talking about the past, Brazilians are fond of chastising the US for giving similar support to the former dictatorship of Brazil. Yet, for some reason it is acceptable for them to suck up to a dictator for some kind of business deal. It’s a scandal and shameful, and if you can’t see this you have your head in the sand. You are too blinded by your singular hatred of the US. You are more interested in seeing your leaders support a tyrant than working with the US to have better relations between the US and South America. If you can’t see that Obama has such and interest, you are stuck in some self-serving narrative of the past.
    As far as you mentioning my “bosom buddies beating up the Palestinians”, I want to clarify, while I think it is right for all democratically minded people to speak out against tyranny (as in Iran) it is equally right to speak out against the tyranny of Israel. I am appalled by the Israeli attack of Gaza last year. And in general, I want the US to speak out against the Israeli mistreatment and oppression of Palestinians. I believe in a two state solution, which would equally empower the Palestinians. Don’t make assumptions about all Americans as supporting Israel. We don’t. In fact there is even a large contingent of Jewish-Americans who are against oppressive practices of Israel against the Palestinians.

  • buena

    correction
    God less America 😉

  • fired chc

    ….
    Love to watch amerikans squirm…. Hehehe!

    Thanks but no thanks Obama, No F-18s !

    God Mess America… the Land of the Fee and Home of the Slave!

    Costinha

  • Andrade

    [quote]These delusional claims about the Brazilian global leadership only remind me of the quote by De Gaulle: Brazil is the nation of the future…. and it always will be.[/quote]

    You are misquoting De Gaulle whose arse was saved by the Yanks, like we saved the Italians from that fascist pig Mussolini. You better go back to school and study the history,son.

    [quote]Lula is sucking up the the Iranian dictator who is savagely beating Iranians for simply protesting in the streets. Lula is one of the few leaders embracing him.[/quote]

    Have you ever heard of Shah of Iran, that fuck who occupied the Pea Cock throne? Shining symbol of democracy, wouldn’t you say so? Backed by whom?

    [quote]Lula is sucking up the the Iranian dictator who is savagely beating Iranians for simply protesting in the streets.[/quote]

    What about your bosom buddies beating the shit out of the Palestinians, mate?

    I can go on ranting and raving rebutting your lop sided arguments. Not worth my time.

  • hunh?

    Very funny Luigi. Yeah from all the loud-mouthed hyperbolic boasting you hear on this site, you would think Brazil IS greatest super power in all eternity. I am always amused by the lack of reserve. This blog is like a 24-hour non-stop infomercial with lots of spectacular claims about how all things Brazilian are extraordinary. Of course Brazil should have a larger economy than many European countries. It is much greater in size. the same goes for China too. Does that make it a great superpower? It just seems like the minimal success that a large country should achieve. Even tiny Italy ranks with Brazil. Global leadership? Lula looks confused and so eager to show that Brazil is an up and coming power that he seems to be stumbling from one international embarrassment to the next. Just sit back and let success come to Brazil. And it if does things that are truly worthy of praise, then so be it. Stop trying act like Brazil has arrived as a super power. It has made great gains in growth, and it should, but it also has immense domestic turmoil and problems. You think other nations are running to Brazil because it is a model of global leadership. Lula is sucking up the the Iranian dictator who is savagely beating Iranians for simply protesting in the streets. Lula is one of the few leaders embracing him. He would be far more impressive if he just remained neutral or non-aligned if he can’t commit the country to actually defying Iran. But no, but he is bent on thumbing his nose at the US, and willing to hug a war mongering holocaust denying dictator. We always hear criticism of the US for supporting the dictatorship in Brazil, but its ok for Brazil to hug a dictator if they can make a deal for Brazil. HYPOCRISY! Brazil is too mired in corruption, deception and deceit to be an impressive alternative voice on the world stage. Lula is just puffing hot air and hubris. It scores him points with Brazilians, but gains him or Brazil no leadership role in the world as his dreams.
    I wish the best for Brazil in future development, as I do for most third world countries with impoverished masses. But Brazil seems to want to pursue success like Boliva, and Venezuela, not working with the US, but demonizing us. Obama is not GW Bush, and if Lula and Brazil fail to grasp the difference, it’s because they are suffering delusions of grandeur about their current position in the world, and paranoia that is causing them to continue to demonize the US: rather than uniting our nations and hemisphere, Brazil and Brazilians want to see the US power hungry devils. They should look inward to criticize their own corrupt system and not continue to blame US. The US and Boeing of course are looking to make a deal for jets, but this is always the case with business everywhere. I don’t see the US “running” to please Brazil anymore than they would in selling arms to other nations.
    These delusional claims about the Brazilian global leadership only remind me of the quote by De Gaulle: Brazil is the nation of the future…. and it always will be. As one commentator said elsewhere on this blog, how can Brazil takes on global leadership when it can barely deal with heavy rains? You guys have some work to do, and toning down the hubris about the glorious paradise of Brazil is a good place to start.

  • Luigi Vercotti

    Global Leader?
    Hey Nicholas, is there another Brazil somewhere. A global leader? Yeah, phenominal leadership accomplishment in Honduras. Can’t even trade friendly with Argentina. Hyrdoelectric feud with Paraguay. After the earthquake, you have 200 Brazilian soldiers in Haiti running around telling the 10,000 American troops who just landed, “We’re in charge!”.

    Yup. True global leadership. Leadership starts at home. Great idea for Lula.

  • Nicholas usa_male

    “The Swiss rejected the Rafale and have been investing in the development of the F35”

    Not true at all.
    Switzerland doesn’t even think about the F35.
    The Rafale and the Eurofighter are in the race.
    Rafale is so far their first choice and have not rejected it at all.
    The F35 is mainly developed by the US. Other nations that participate are the UK, Australia,Netherlands, Canada, Denmark, Norway, Israel, Italy, Turkey and Singapore. Some countries, like Norway, Denmark, Netherlands are already considering not to buy the F35, issues with having access to sensitive technology and the costs for development and maintenance are rising faster than thought. Even the UK and Israel are pissed off and threaten to leave the project or not even to buy it.

    “Why would anyone agree on such a sensitive matter, then honetly follow through with it?”

    Once they sign the contract, they have to follow it, so called international law, and that’s why Brazil takes it’s time that everything what they want is in the contract before they sign. So far it looks like they will get what they want and you just ask yourself why are the three nations, USA, Sweden and France are working so hard to get this deal. Simple, since Brazil is becoming a global leader, it’s economy will be soon bigger than most European nations, (actually it already is), the so called west or whatever you want to call them, is running to Brazil for strategic reasons and sharing their technology is part of that. Let’s not forget, of the so called rising BRIC nations, Brazil is the only western nation with virtually no enemies, and a nation where westerners without problems can share their ideas with the Brazilians. It’s clear that they understand that and that they want to do business with the Brazilians. A Boeing/Embraer cooperation is good for America and Brazil, but unfortunately the Brazilians don’t trust the americans. That should change in my opinion because it’s a win for both nations. Dassault/Embrear is more good for the Brazilians than for the French, but of course the French will benefit from it very well.
    If they don’t get this deal, they probably never make it.

  • Capnamerca

    Old news . . .
    The Swiss rejected the Rafale and have been investing in the development of the F35. Old news. I’ll get you a link when I have a little more time, but it’s easy to google this info.

  • Buena

    Switzerland rejected the rafale ?
    link please … 😉 the rafale is ranked 1st in the current Switzerland evaluation

  • Capnamerca

    Oh yes . . . .
    [quote]Switzerland did it
    written by Buena, February 09, 2010
    and Switzerland won’t buy new F18’s [/quote]

    And Switzerland also rejected the Rafale, in fact, no other country’s military has ever bought the Rafale. Never ! ! !

  • Capnamerca

    This is funny . . .
    [quote]”One thing we insist on is a commitment to unrestricted transfer of all cutting edge technology,” said the president in an interview.[/quote]

    Why would anyone agree on such a sensitive matter, then honetly follow through with it?

  • Buena

    Switzerland did it
    and Switzerland won’t buy new F18’s

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