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US Pilots Association Warns About Brazil’s Dangerous Airspace

Cindacta, Brazil's air control center

Cindacta, Brazil's air control center The US-based Air Line Pilots Association, International, (ALPA) has just released an alert to its members on the difficulties of operating in the Brazilian airspace stressing the limited knowledge of the English language  by Brazil's flight controllers.

The association warns that pilots should maintain a high level of awareness while operating in Brazil.  According to ALPA's document, which was written on January 29, the collision of the executive Legacy jet with the Gol's Boeing 737, over the Amazon, on September 29, which killed all 154 people aboard, "has highlighted several issues associated with operations in that airspace that may have significant implications for the safety of flight."

After the collision with the Legacy, which was piloted by Americans Joseph Lepore and Jan Paladino, the Boeing 737 fell into the Amazon jungle. The Legacy, with seven people aboard, including the two pilots, was able to make it to the Serra do Cachimbo's Brazilian Air Force Base in the northern Brazilian state of Pará.

Brazil's Federal Police and an Air Force's team of experts are investigating the causes of the accident. Transcripts of Legacy's black box published Sunday, February 17, in the Brazilian press, reveal that Lepore and Paladino had several problems during their flight including with the airplane, the equipment, the radio and communicating in English with flight controllers.

The Brazilian Air Force says it has already taken steps to solve the problems dealing with flight security in the country and one of the measures was to enroll controllers in English's courses.

What follows is the ALPA's report in its entirety:

On January 29, the Association issued ALPA Safety Alert 2007-01 to caution pilots about certain aspects of operating in Brazilian airspace. The September 2006 midair collision that occurred over Brazil has highlighted several issues associated with operations in that airspace that may have significant implications for the safety of flight.

ALPA believes that all pilots should maintain a high level of situational awareness while operating into or within the Brazilian Flight Identification Regions (FIRs). Of particular concern are both the procedural and technical ATC (Air Traffic Control) methods used in Brazilian airspace and its FIR boundary areas, compared to what pilots may be used to in other parts of the world.

ALPA therefore recommends that pilots

* operating in and around Brazilian airspace ensure they are aware of all operational guidance published by their company and review company training materials if any have been provided.

* always strictly adhere to ICAO standard phraseology for all communications and do not assume that the controller is fully aware of any changes that have been made to the flight plan.

* consider using all available exterior aircraft lighting whenever changing altitudes.

* who are familiar with operations in and around Brazil share that knowledge with their MEC Central Air Safety Committee and with ALPA's Engineering and Air Safety Department so that subsequent follow-up bulletins can be provided to ALPA members.

* operating in this airspace, as is the case in all operations, work closely with their company safety and operations departments to ensure that all flight crews have the most comprehensive information available regarding the potential hazards of operating in this area.

While the ALPA bulletin focuses on issues related to the pilot/controller interface, pilots should note that the underlying deficiencies are caused by lack of proper governmental oversight and control of the ATC system. This is a separate issue that ALPA, in conjunction with IFALPA and other international agencies and entities, is working to correct.

Without commenting on the ongoing accident investigation regarding the recent midair collision, and based solely on reports from pilots who are experienced in operating in this environment, ALPA wishes to ensure that flight crews are aware of the following issues that may present operational challenges in Brazilian airspace:

* Although use of ATC surveillance radar is now widespread in Brazilian airspace, controllers' experience operating in a full radar environment is still developing. This may lead to subtle changes in procedures that reflect many years of using nonradar procedures.

* Controller experience is not always taken into account in scheduling ATC facility assignments for controllers. This situation could result in inexperienced controllers operating in a challenging environment with little or no supervision.

* Flight plan changes, including inflight changes from original preflight flight plan, are not always properly transmitted through the entire ATC system. This can result in different ATC sectors having parts of two flight plans (original and revised). Therefore, if a change has been made to the original flight plan, the flight crew should make sure that a clearance for "flight planned route" has been clarified and specific routing details confirmed with each sector.

* As in many areas where English is not the controllers' primary language, controllers may speak limited English. Pilots must also be aware that some controllers may sound proficient in the use of English as a result of these controllers either speaking with a familiar accent or because of their excellent pronunciation of certain words. In this situation, the actual proficiency of the controller's English skills could be masked, and this could exacerbate confusion generated by any flight plan changes. Therefore, strict adherence to ICAO standard phraseology is highly recommended.

* Pilots accustomed to more-efficient ATC systems in other operating areas may not realize the need to clarify instructions, avoid assumptions, or rely on the communications and situational awareness between pilots and controllers that may otherwise prevent errors. Similarly, a controller may not challenge pilots who inadvertently request an incorrect or inappropriate altitude, routing, etc.

* Brazil has no national or airport standards for engine-out departure procedures in terminal areas; thus each operator may have different procedures. Therefore, controllers may not know what procedure pilots are following in the event of an engine failure. Under these circumstances, high cockpit workload and language proficiency issues can add to the difficulty in effectively communicating the intended flight path to ATC.

One of the consequences of today's highly accurate navigation systems is that their precision can result in aircraft being on the same route with little or no lateral deviation. While the strategic lateral offset procedure (SLOP) that is in use in other areas of the world does not yet exist in South America, some member associations are actively debating the benefits of this concept and may soon put forth positions encouraging the use of this procedure. In the meantime, if individual flight crews choose to fly any deviations from a published airway, they should advise each ATC sector of their intentions.

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  • Show Comments (39)

  • Ric

    THIS ONE IS FOR FREE
    And I couldnÀ‚´t find a hint of it on Google or Dogpile. The Transbrasil 737 that landed at the wrong airport in Belem.

    He landed on runway 33 at the airclub, which is maybe a half a mile south of the big airport. The big airport uses 06 for most airliner arrivals, over the river, and 02 for smaller planes or commuters.

    He landed, taxiied down to the little terminal at the far end, saw he was screwed, turned it around and took off using runway 15, then landed at the big airport and unloaded his pax.

    Maybe one word in by a columnist in a local paper, plus zero. The public only heard about it word of mouth, no word on who the crew was, what action was taken, what fines if any imposed, nothing.

    If you want to check it out, ask the lineboys. They saw it all. Talk to Bira.

    By the way, it was day, VFR.

  • bo

    [quote]THIS ONE IS FOR FREE
    written by Ric, 2007-02-26 13:05:14

    And I couldnÀ‚´t find a hint of it on Google or Dogpile. The Transbrasil 737 that landed at the wrong airport in Belem.

    He landed on runway 33 at the airclub, which is maybe a half a mile south of the big airport. The big airport uses 06 for most airliner arrivals, over the river, and 02 for smaller planes or commuters.

    He landed, taxiied down to the little terminal at the far end, saw he was screwed, turned it around and took off using runway 15, then landed at the big airport and unloaded his pax.

    Maybe one word in by a columnist in a local paper, plus zero. The public only heard about it word of mouth, no word on who the crew was, what action was taken, what fines if any imposed, nothing.

    If you want to check it out, ask the lineboys. They saw it all. Talk to Bira.

    By the way, it was day, VFR.
    [/quote]

    CLASSIC!

  • bo

    [quote]IÀ‚´m sorry, you will just have to suck it up and live with it. ÀƒÂt is, for all practical purposes, over. And Brazil ends up looking like Egypt. ThatÀ‚´s sad.[/quote]

    [b]LMAO![/b] 😉 😉 😉

  • Ric

    Get Used to it, Abe
    These pilots donÀ‚´t care if you think they are innocent or not. ItÀ‚´s over. They are not coming back to Brazil to stand trial. They will not be extradited. They may write a book once their lawyers give the the okay, and make a lot of money. Maybe a movie. They are already part of aviation history.

    One of my personal aviation heroes is (was) Larry Waters, the non-pilot that flew his lawn chair high over LAX lifted by weather ballons. These guys will be bigger than Larry. Bigger than Jimmy Angel. Bigger than Alexandr Mozaisky.

    IÀ‚´m sorry, you will just have to suck it up and live with it. ÀƒÂt is, for all practical purposes, over. And Brazil ends up looking like Egypt. ThatÀ‚´s sad.

  • A brazilian

    [quote]Now there is a self admitted pilot that was in the brazilian air force and according to him there have been problems for a LONG time…..[/quote]

    On the internet you can be the president of the United States if you want to, and this is not about “many problems”, but about one specific incident. Don’t generalize it, this is only another attempt to make the pilots look innocent [b]without[/b] an investigation.

    I always get amazed of how gringos feel free to assume things about Brazil, if some stat is not bad enough (as they think it should be) they feel free to multiply it, if something cannot be proven then they feel free to face it as “the truth” just because they think it should be.

    Again, if you were sure about the pilots competence you wouldn’t try so hard to deter the investigations. After all, any made up claim would be easily refuted by specialists all over the world. Why to worry so much?

  • bo

    Abe Razillion aka Baghdad Bob…
    [quote]The Brazilian SAGA continues!!!
    written by LCL, 2007-02-23 19:40:32

    I don’t really want to get involved, this is my last comment on this subject:
    I was in the Brazilian Airforce… There has been many problems in respect to this matter since mid 80’s when our CINDACTA started operating!!! many of the Controllers since them complained about POOR MANAGEMENT; “A Real Brazilian” You go figure pal…

    Attitude Power=Performance
    Attitude Knowledge= Safety

    Best to all and keep the blue side up!
    Luiz [/quote]

    Now there is a self admitted pilot that was in the brazilian air force and according to him there have been problems for a LONG time…..

    We will wait for the final results, I can’t wait to hear your comments then.

  • Simpleton

    OMG. You still twist and turn and deflect and shout out what no one has ever said.

    The FAB is ulitmately responsible for the WHOLE investigation. Your patriotic bull (and that of other’s on the otherside of your apparent us vs them nightmare) will not sway nor interfere with their compentent conduct of a full and complete investigation. Don’t try to hide the fact that the investigative authority told the incompentents that detaining the pilots further would have no material effect on their investigation. How posh their prison was after that point in time meant nothing to anyone. For you to keep arguing that way only makes more a joke of the incompentents that would not listen to the experts OF BRAZIL! This is not a case of us vs them, it’s a case of you against yourselves.

  • LCL

    The Brazilian SAGA continues!!!
    I don’t really want to get involved, this is my last comment on this subject:
    I was in the Brazilian Airforce… There has been many problems in respect to this matter since mid 80’s when our CINDACTA started operating!!! many of the Controllers since them complained about POOR MANAGEMENT; “A Real Brazilian” You go figure pal…

    Attitude Power=Performance
    Attitude Knowledge= Safety

    Best to all and keep the blue side up!
    Luiz

  • A brazilian

    [quote]There are so many people from so many countries involved in the attempt to extract all of the facts and possibilities (all with the support and oversite of the Brazilian government otherwise the blackboxes and the transponder from the Legacy would never have left Brazil just like the pilots almost didn’t)[/quote]

    How do you know that? Your patriotic ego is telling you that? Why do you assume brazilian authorities would be incompetent? What were the pilots suffering in a 5 stars Hotel? This sensationalism is a disease, what we witnessed in this process was a bunch of american bigots defaming Brazil, painting is as a hell where the pilots would be tortured, without even [b]thinking[/b] rationally about the issue.

    [b]THINK[/b], that’s the key, and that’s what you have done the least. Most articles and comments coming from americans is some kind of attack to Brazil or crying “anti-americanism” and pretend the investigation is invalid.

    If you were so sure about the competence of the pilots, why worry so much about the outcome of the investigations?

    [quote]There’s only one conceivable truth you will accept? [/quote]

    I won’t accept patriotic bastards to try to influentiate the results of the investigation by making pressure, and transforming this into a “US vs Brazil” issue.

  • Simpleton

    Some folks are so wishy washy and twist their words, stories and preconceits so much over time. Some do this but a bit unwillingly as time begins to reveal all.

    Dear Gabby Abby, the investigation will follow the safe path of science and rationality. There are so many people from so many countries involved in the attempt to extract all of the facts and possibilities (all with the support and oversite of the Brazilian government otherwise the blackboxes and the transponder from the Legacy would never have left Brazil just like the pilots almost didn’t). No matter how many Brazilian journalists and laypeople cry out a Texas “hang em’ high”, the investigation will proceed unaflicted by anyones patriotism. You leave so little to wonder about what patriotic truth it is you want to more easily come out. Much like rgivp aren’t you? There’s only one conceivable truth you will accept?

  • A brazilian

    [quote]Yes, let the masses be lead down only one path to the easiest truth …[/quote]

    The last thing americans wanted in this case is truth. The truth would be brought up only by the investigation, but the mere idea of one was too much for patriotic ego of americans to conceive. The only thing that journalist did was to outrage even the most rational person by his so iditioc statements.

    Without all his sensationalism the investigation could follow the safe path of science and rationality, and eventually come up with the truth more easily.

  • Simpleton

    All truths were created equal (some just more equal than others?). Seeking all truths and possibly learning what you thought was truth may be less than that is a difficult journey.

    “If it weren’t by that american journalist, and other patriotic idiots like you, this plane crash wouldn’t last so long in people’s minds.” Yes, let the masses be lead down only one path to the easiest truth for them to be convinced of via emotion. After that let them forget and go back to thier O bolivion. We don’t want any more truths to appear that would cause them to become educated. That would mean something has to be done with the money they thought they had already paid to have it done.

  • A brazilian

    [quote]Outlaws don’t flee brazil and run to America to escape persecution, but they do flee to brazil! Brazil IS the land of the lawless, not the other way around, in case you didn’t know.[/quote]

    This was the case, fleeing to the US, since they are americans. And then for requesting their presence in Brazil for some further questioning would take a very long bureaucracy.

  • bo

    [quote]…
    written by A brazilian, 2007-02-22 21:45:58
    To the fact their passports we taken for guaranteeing they wouldn’t leave the country until the investigations had advanced.
    [/quote]

    You know, one thing people like you need to understand, that MOST countries on planet earth are “law abiding” countries, and they actually ABIDE by international law and agreements.

    Outlaws don’t flee brazil and run to America to escape persecution, but they do flee to brazil! Brazil IS the land of the lawless, not the other way around, in case you didn’t know.

    But I can understand your mindset, you’re accustomed to all kinds of international criminals making brazil their new “home”, and brazil, like a “good” country, doesn’t deport them to face justice, so how could you ever know that other countries would be different.

  • Ric

    ALPA/ALPO
    Some of you who have not lived in the states may deserve an explanation. ALPA is a very fine airline pilots association. ALPO is a very good quality dog food. Its parent company is in SWITZERLAND. Those who venerate ch.c may want to look into it. It has been often stated that under US law, the standards for dog food are more clearly defined than those for people food. Many impecunious older Americans eat dog food. So far as is known, no one has ever died from this practice. Many Americans treat their dogs better than some of you treat your fellow man. Hurts me to say this, but itÀ‚´s true. These forums are all about truth.

  • Ric

    WASS DAT EET?
    Heard that things were sort of quiet over at AnastasiaÀ‚´s, and that some of her former converts are now looking at the ch.c phenomenon. They donÀ‚´t have a CNPJ yet, send no money. Wait for Bradesco account number. HeÀ‚´s looking at private jets like Macedos, which would have been a better choice for the other bishops who went to the nasty old USA with money in their kwekas, figuratively speaking.

    He is not to be worshipped, only venerated. If you donÀ‚´t know the difference you may be just another dumb American.

  • A real Brazilian

    I think what they meant wass: The US-based Air Line Pilots Association, International, (ALPA) has just released an alert to its members on the difficulties of operating in the Brazilian airspace stressing the limited knowledge of flight procedures by American pilots.

    The association warns that pilots should maintain a high level of awareness while operating in Brazil. According to ALPA’s document, which was written on January 29, the collision of the executive Legacy jet with the Gol’s Boeing 737, over the Amazon, on September 29, which killed all 154 people aboard, “has highlighted several issues associated with operations in that airspace that may have significant implications for the safety of flight

  • A brazilian

    The new messiah has come
    Ch.c, tell us poor brazilians what God wants us to do!

  • A brazilian

    [quote]Now Baghdad Bob, why was there a strong REACTION???? What were they “reacting” to?? [/quote]

    To the fact their passports we taken for guaranteeing they wouldn’t leave the country until the investigations had advanced. The very idea that the pilots might have been negligent was enough to create a wave of patriotism among dumb americans. If it weren’t by that american journalist, and other patriotic idiots like you, this plane crash wouldn’t last so long in people’s minds.

    In the very first week the journalists was writing arcticles about “possible risks” the pilots were facing, as if they were locked in some subterranean prison being tortured to confess a crime.

  • A real Brazilian

    Of course…..the U.S.pilots should bear responsibility of your lies….lies….lies and lies !!!!!

    Chick: tell Brazilians about the lies the Americans Pilots told the world! laugh laugh laugh Hypocrital midget

  • A real Brazilian

    HAHAHAHAHAHA
    “ALPA believes that all pilots should maintain a high level of situational awareness while operating into or within the Brazilian Flight Identification Regions (FIRs).”

    A high level of situational awareness while operating into or within the Brazilian Flight Identification Regions = READ YOUR FLIGHT PLANS BEFORE TAKING OFF AND STICK TO IT.

    America and its stupid operation associations! hahahaha

    Why do they keep ashaming themselves more and plus ridiculizind themselves? Real decay or the truth appear onc e again!

  • ch.c.

    Hey hey !!!!!
    many junkies in this forum should better read the above LCL comments :
    The Brazilian Airspace SAGA

  • bo

    [quote]There were transcripts of the pilots conversation during the flight, already published in this site by the way, where they seem to have problems. Why is it so hard to conceive the possibility that those pilots were negligent or incompetent? Is that impossible to be?[/quote]

    Yes, there have been “some” of the transcript published, from Folha, which by the way, the translation that Folha had done has already been shot out of the water!! You guys can’t even translate english correctly after all this time since the accident? And in those paragraphs it shows the pilots asking a question [b]3[/b] times, and receiving an answer that had nothing to do with the question asked! Even the ex president of the brazilian air traffic controllers organization has went on record about the number of ATC’s that speak english, less than 10%, and said if there wouldn’t have been a miscommunication, or misunderstanding, from the beginning that the accident would’ve never happened.

  • bo

    [quote]Blackmail? This is about finding the causes of the accident. Since the very first second there was a strong reaction, especially from dumb americans, such as that journalist (I forgot his name), of portraying Brazil as a lawless place where those pilots would be tortured or worse, without acknowledging any need for investigation.

    One thing is true, not all information has been released, but since you can’t say one way you can’t either say the other! This is simple logic. There were transcripts of the pilots conversation during the flight, already published in this site by the way, where they seem to have problems. Why is it so hard to conceive the possibility that those pilots were negligent or incompetent? Is that impossible to be?

    Dumb americans like many in this site insist in transforming this issue in some “US vc Brazil” thing, when it’s actually about finding the causes of the accident. One of those causes could be negligence from the pilots.
    [/quote]

    Let me take your first remark….”from the very first second there was a strong reaction…”

    Now Baghdad Bob, why was there a strong REACTION???? What were they “reacting” to??

    Well, in case you need your memory refreshed, we had that senile idiot dressed up in a military outfit, Pampers Peres I think his name is, IMMEDIATELY, within the first couple hours after the accident, already placing blame on the american pilots!!!! Pretty fucking amazing, don’t ya think?? How’d he come to that conclusion so fast? Got some baiana lady practicing macumba in brasilia??

    99.9% of the people, brazilians and americans alike, as well as everyone else, can blatently see, and admit, the ridiculous reaction the brazilian military had in this situation. It’s not like they’re out to find the absolute truth, they have an interest, and it’s to deflect responsibility at all costs from themselves, a very typical brazilian behavior.

  • LCL

    The Brazilian Airspace SAGA
    Well said, well recommended, it is a valuable information for Pilots who flies into the Brazilian Airspace.
    Safety is for all, regardless of your NATIONAL PRIDE.
    I am a pilot, I am Brazilian, I love my Country but there is always room for improvements and the US knows better, they have the technology and experience, whater you like or not.
    Fly safe and watch your tail out there.
    Luiz

  • ch.c.

    it’s the fault of the Brasilian Government.
    I am really happy that John Mueller a retired ATC anf now now teaches ATC at the FAA Academy , blames the Brazilian Government !

    Is this NOT what I have said repeatedly time and again ?????????

    Funny isnt it ?

  • Simpleton

    How long and how many $R do you think it’s going to take to make the technology and infrastructure leap to put Brasil way out ahead of anywhere else in the world? For now, they can only devise systemic procedures, cross checking mechanisms and training programs to make what they have the best it can be.

    I’ve never gotten a sense that Pires or any of the other authorities were playing some kind of blame game. At most they did what they could to distract focus from the underlying issues they certainly know they are responsible for by highlighting what the potential flight crew issues were.

    Again, with only Folha coming up with real data through unknown means (and then slaughtering it and presenting it in what some wish to think is an intentionally dubious fashion), clearly most of the whofla is a media circus which has all the classic symptoms of why you don’t trust everything you read in a one news paper town.

  • A brazilian

    [quote]If Brasil elects to look to place blame in this accident without looking at the system which it operates under the aviation community will cut back and eventually boycott Brasil all-together.[/quote]

    Blackmail? This is about finding the causes of the accident. Since the very first second there was a strong reaction, especially from dumb americans, such as that journalist (I forgot his name), of portraying Brazil as a lawless place where those pilots would be tortured or worse, [b]without[/b] acknowledging any need for investigation.

    One thing is true, not all information has been released, but since you can’t say one way you can’t either say the other! This is simple logic. There were transcripts of the pilots conversation during the flight, already published in this site by the way, where they seem to have problems. Why is it so hard to conceive the possibility that those pilots were negligent or incompetent? Is that impossible to be?

    Dumb americans like many in this site insist in transforming this issue in some “US vc Brazil” thing, when it’s actually about finding the causes of the accident. One of those causes could be negligence from the pilots.

  • bo

    [quote]written by John Mueller, 2007-02-22 07:08:45

    Brasil needs to stop looking to place blame on any individual/s and take a hard look at their system and make the changes necessary to bring their system out of the 1960’s and into the 21st Century.[/quote]

    John, it’s nice to hear from yet another experienced pilot that has flown in brazil and familiar with their system. One would certainly believe that those in charge, Pires, etc, must be aware of the facts you have stated? I for one certainly hope so, as this “blame game” they began is the epitomy of ignorant brazilian indignation.

    It continues to amaze me how a people, as a whole, continue to look for scapegoats rather than discover the actual problem(s), place blame where it is due, accept it, correct it, and move on.

  • bo

    [quote]The usual rant
    written by A brazilian, 2007-02-22 00:34:29

    The usual bigots spreading their hate. It is obvious that the pilots were negligent, but they still deny it.
    [/quote]

    So, Baghdad Bob, tell us, do you think there are any problems in brazil’s aviation system? Are you so ignorant that you’re going to attempt and deny that? I mean, if you ignore this problem, it will happen again, and the next time, you may not have american pilots to blame, will be 100% brasileiro, and then what will you do? Will your head implode?

  • John Mueller

    The real problems
    As a retired Air Traffic Controller who now teaches ATC at the FAA Academy I have watched this situation as closely as I could considering that very little real information has been given out. This accident was formed in 1964 when the military took over Brasil including the ATC system. In 1985 when most functions were turned back to the Government to run the military elected to keep the ATC system. Because of that, the system is one of the most antiquated in the world. Every time I have flown into Brasil we have gone into Sao Paulo, Salvador, Natal, Rio and Fortaleza in timed approaches; we have been in a holding pattern in GRU for more than forty-five minutes in good weather. I have sat in my apartment in Fortaleza and watched timed approaches running into Pinto Martin airport. The United States hasn’t had to run timed approaches into major airports for more than thirty years!

    This accident isn’t any pilot’s fault, it isn’t any controller’s fault; it’s the fault of the Brasilian Government. In the forty-five years plus that I did my job there was talk several times about the military taking over the ATC system; each time Congress, the FAA, the military and the President were intelligent enough to realize the problems this would incur. The Brasilian military needs to give up the ATC system and turn it over to the Government. Once the Brasilian Government has control of the system they need to by-pass today’s landing and enroute systems and go directly to the Air Traffic systems of the 21st century…GPS, etc. The new systems that are being developed are so advanced compared to what is being used today that it would make Brasil a leader in aviation.

    If Brasil elects to look to place blame in this accident without looking at the system which it operates under the aviation community will cut back and eventually boycott Brasil all-together. This will result in several things; among them tourism, Brasil’s fifth largest industry will dry up as airlines refuse to fly into there; those flights that do originate outside of Brasil will become much more expensive than they are today. Additionally, shipping of goods and services will become more expensive since flights as less and less flights occur.

    The GOL/Legacy 600 mid-air collision was Brasil’s Grand Canyon mid-air. In 1958 United and TWA came together over the Grand Canyon; everyone tried to place blame for a while but it was finally realized that the real blame went to a system that was geared for prop aircraft in the Jet Age. Once this was realized, Congress provided the money to upgrade the system to what it is in the United States today. Brasil needs to stop looking to place blame on any individual/s and take a hard look at their system and make the changes necessary to bring their system out of the 1960’s and into the 21st Century.

  • Simpleton

    1) The Legacy pilot’s didn’t / couldn’t get repeat or clarification of multiple altitudes alone planned route from departure control – big mistake, should have blockaded the taxiway / runway until someone got on the horn that could or returned back to the tarmac. Not a crew negligence issue – just not the best possible judgement call. SImilarly, there wasn’t any thing inappropriate about the departure control operator – did his or her job in communicating clearance to take off on the procedure and up to the assigned altitude the Legacy was cleared for. Departure control does not have authority thereafter.

    2) Brasilia Center ATC did not or did not sucessfully direct the altitude change required for safe operation in the region they were in charge of. Nearly anywhere else that is negligence. The Legacy crew did not solicit an altitude change as per the filed flight plan. When the controllers did not direct such altitude change within a reasonable range of where it was planned they should have noticed this and gotten extremely worried and taken extraordinary measures (not yet approved but flying 250 feet up or down from the assigned altitiude and a 0.2 to 0.4 mile offset from the center of the course would not have violated anything and would have increased the chances the aircraft would have missed each other). The crew has no authority to change altitudes not specifically cleared by the ATC. Had they gotten to the point of declaring a problem due to the lack of contact with ATC, they then would have had such authority. Basically they were not paying attention / proceeded on the assumption that they were still cleared for 37K. This is complacency, not negligence.

    3) Brasilia Center did not advise the Legacy that they could not observe thier transponders report of their aircrafts altitude. The ATC is most certainly responsible for monitoring this and reporting it to the crew if there is any uncertainty of the altitude of any aircraft in the region of their jurisdiction. Negligence if not an out right violation of Brasilian law.

  • Ric

    The Ususal Rant
    I didnÀ‚´t see anything in this article that speaks directly to the American pilotsÀ‚´ culpability, Abe. See if you can keep that knee from jerking for a few minutes. What we have here is just an attempt to make other pilots aware that there is a problem. If after all this you donÀ‚´t think there is a problem, what is there left to say. Stop flapping those wings, youÀ‚´ll never get off the ground.

  • A brazilian

    The usual rant
    The usual bigots spreading their hate. It is obvious that the pilots were negligent, but they still deny it.

  • Brazilian-born American

    Time is up
    Growing up in Brazil I was told that “Brazil, the sleeping giant, is the country of the future”.

    Are we there yet?

  • Forrest Allen Brown

    GOV
    WELL it starts with LULA taking his bite then down to congress ,
    then the military in charge get there bite
    and who cares about the little people , and the tourtist .

    while the President and congress along with the military top brass get around
    in there jets , wht should they worrie about the people

    IT S ALL ABOUT THE MONEY , OR LACK OF IT
    AND THE HIRE THY BROTHER IDEA

  • jorge

    And?
    The English in towers is not good to communicate in emergency, the radar dead zones exist, the conmtrollers of flight put the little jet on a course to collide with the big jet, and did not notice a transponder not signal for 50 minutes, and the comptrollers of manaus and brasilia lost track of both airplanes in dead zone, understaffed conditions with a near-intern at one control. Pampers wearing Pires and cronies in media denied angry each of these points, all now show true.

  • Ric

    Interesting item.

  • ch.c.

    Impressive !
    Have Brazilian Authorities not repeated time and time again thatBbrazil Air Security was one of the best…IN THE WORLD ????????? And that you used the latest and best technology ?????? And that you had NOOOOOOOO blindspot ????????

    Of course…..the U.S.pilots should bear responsibility of your lies….lies….lies and lies !!!!!

    Shame on YOU Brazilians. When I said many times how bad you are on many sunjects, of course I was wrong !!!!!

    It happens I was not wrong AT ALL !!!!! AND THIS, wether it pleases you or not !
    At the end the truth is the truth and up to you to swallow all the lies and the cheatings of your Government ….that YOU elected !!!!!

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