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Brazil Congress Wants US Pilots Indicted for Murder in Air Accident

American pilots Jan Paladino and Joseph Lepore Brazil's Inquiry Parliamentary Commission (CPI) on the Brazilian Air Traffic has concluded its report on Brazil's worst accident ever, when a Boeing 737 collided with a Legacy executive jet piloted by two Americans, causing the death of all 154 aboard the Boeing, which fell in the Amazon jungle on September 29, 2006.

fThe Brazilian House of Representatives's commission in the 200-page report is recommending that Joseph Lepore and Jan Paul Paladino, the two American pilots, be indicted for murder. They are considered the main culprits of the accident for having – as the report concluded – turned off the Legacy's transponder, equipment connected to the plane's flight control system.

Lepore and Paladino are accused of acting with malice. Although they had no intention to kill anybody, the document says, they knew their action posed that risk.

As for flight controllers Felipe dos Santos Reis, Leandro José Santos Barros, Lucivando Tibúrcio de Alencar and Jomarcelo Fernandes dos Santos from Brasí­lia's Air Control Center they are also considered guilty and the CPI recommends that they be indicted for involuntary manslaughter for their negligence.

The Federal Public Prosecutor's Office had asked that Jomarcelo be charged with intentional felonious homicide, but the CPI's reporter, Marco Maia, from the Workers Party said that the congressional committee didn't agree with that decision.

"The controllers also failed," said Maia, "especially when they handed over the information and when they didn't follow all the legal rules. But the crime they committed didn't carry any criminal malice."

Maia believes that by turning off the transponder the American pilots contributed decisively to the accident. "The truth of the matter is that the transponder was turned off and this is an instrument of major importance for safety. Another consideration is that the aircraft commander is the one responsible for the flight. He needs to be attentive to all the situations," said the representative.

"All the elements show that the transponder was off and that both pilots were in a wrong way course," added Maia.

The American pilots responsibility, ponders the legislator, is even bigger when you consider that the pilots didn't know the Brazilian air space, had little knowledge on how to operate the Legacy's equipment and had a "very low situational awareness" in the hours leading to the accident.

Maia informed that after the Congress recess, from July 18 to August 1st, the Air Traffic Blackout Inquiry will start a new stage in their investigation. In this second phase the inquiry will concentrate on three specific themes: air space control system, the establishment of regulations for the sector and examination of the contracts signed by Infraero, the state-owned company in charge of the Brazilian airports.

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  • No Name

    Wilson
    Yea I just herd. Oy! Terrible. Hope people are OK.

  • No Name

    She
    Honest is a she and a stubbron one. She has her convictions though. Wilson, where are you when Honest needs you…. No matter what comes out, Honest will always believe that the American Pilots are at fault simply because they are American and anything American including me she would like to see fry in their imperialist gringo (gringa) juices. She’s alot like Pires in that respect.
    To quote her, “our American lives are defined by what we can consume and we are disempowered of our ability to change our lives and therefore the lives of the underprivileged”. I guess that means we are so consumed with ourselves that we couldn’t possibly save the world. She might have a point, but that is what the American culture has created for us just like what your Brazilian political machine has created for Brazil. (I didn’t want to say Brazilian culture because I think culture has nothing to do with politics in Brazil) Thats ok Honest, your pretty intelligent even if a bit crazy. Fun reading. But I still think your a bitch. 8)

  • gomez

    Its so true
    No wonder many people leave Brazil and move to the US, Europe, Australia, New Zealand, Canada… They lost the hope of seeing their country moving forward or simply are fed-up of living in country that decided to deny reality.

    …and when they see the life they can have after they leave Brazil that they could never have in Brazil, they don’t want to go back… but they still love their country and culture. I know if things changed, Brazil would see alot of these expatriots flock back to Brazil.

  • dSouza

    Honestly
    Honest, you seem an opinionated Brazilian, when will you recognize that because of the ignorance of Brazilians like yourself injustices caused by Brazil’s government will always occur because you defend it? On the other hand, being not so naive, such Brazilians recognize this and think this is the price for living in a third world country. I suppose this type of Brazilians make other Brazilians pay the price of your ignorance or/misguidance. What’s your case ignorance or misguidance?

  • No Name

    Be Honest
    I also walk in the streets… And I’m a Brazilian a*****e woman, fofo!

    Oh now there’s an understatement. Dirrrrrty Grrrrl!

  • No Name

    Be honest oncew in your life
    what category is he in being him a gringo’s pussy sucker

    You know, you reveal yourself as a woman and there will always be some poor excuse for a human being that will insult you in a degrading way because they have no intelloigent way of communicating. Bravo asshole for showing your true colors. Who is the bully now? You are such a hero for degrading a woman. Your a walking contridiction abd a crybaby in his own right.

  • No Name

    ?
    Thats Funny! Ch.c what do you think about sponsering Pires? And wilson, I don’t think I know enough about the history of Brazil politics (is so freakin complicated!) to make a comment about Pires doing good things in tha past. I read about his exile and that he was against the dictatorship in the 60’s and emerged as a poiltical hero when he came back from exile in Paris in the 60’s. My husband told me the CIA tried to have him assiassinated because the US backed the military dictatorship and Pires was popular and against the dicataorship. Thats about the extent of what I know and drew conclusions from that. So I guess I need to be enlightened… What is MOD?

  • No Name

    Wilson
    you are right about the final report. But it smells fishy right now. At first I gotta tell you I thought it was the American pilots fault and I was angry about it. The more I read I changed my mind. And I read about Pires. And know that he has done good things in the past and is respected. But your only as good as your most recent deeds. But I guess you have to consider that he is old school.

  • No Name

    Louis
    Oh come on. Everything is not a conspiracy. Except maybe this situation. Ch.c is Swiss. He has an ax to grind. Bo lives in Brazil and sees the injustice around him and is angry about it. You fit into the catagory he spoke of in his last posting.

  • No Name

    Bo
    I know what you are saying is true. And that person’s posting was wrong on so many levels. I know your statement was in jest but thats how the world sees Americans as a bunch of bullies. Any way we can not perpetuate that even in jest is a better choice. Fight with reason not with irrationality. Not saying your irriational, just pissed off with good reason.

  • No Name

    “To be honest for once in your life”
    So, the discussion is a critic to you who defend yourselves without taking into consideration human lives, who only understand what being an American is all about. When I say be honest (and responsible) once in your life, can you take the responsibility for the almost 1 million Iraqi people murdered since 2002? It is too sad reading what Americans say about this Boeing tragedy when the world sees whatˢ۪s been done by you until now. Take all that into consideration when acting and reacting.

    When we went into Iraq I couldn’t believe it. I can’t even begin to articulate what an idiot I think Bush, Cheny, Rice, Rumsfeld, Wolfwitz etc are. And I still can’t believe 50% of our country voted for this %$#@! I think Bush and Co should be charged with war crimes. Thats how I feel about that. You can’t put all Americans in the “you” context. Just like I wouldn’t put all Brazilians in that context. But I have no problem putting Brazil’s Congress in that context from what I know from my friends and spouse about the problems in Brazil, and scandal after scandal with Brazil’s Congress. My husband will e-mail me an article about some screwed up thing Bush did and write a note saying “are we in Brazil”? Iraq has nothing to do with the Boeing tragedy. So why would I think “oh I better not say that” about Brazil’s congress because my country made a really stupid tragic misjudgement that I NEVER agreed with? (Among all the other “mistakes” the US has made over the years.) Someone made a comment about government being the problem everywhere. Its true here and in Brazil, and Iran, and Venezuela, and Mexico, and on and on. Its everyone’s responsibility to speak up whether its my country or another. Right is right and wrong is wrong. I have no problem with you speaking your opinion about how f*#^!d up the Iraq war is. your right.

  • No Name

    Wilson and Be honset for once in your life
    Wilson to answer your question,I live in San Francisco and I am female. Wilson, I have no doubt about The airforce being able to do thier jobs, but your right. I’m a little paranoid about the equipment they have to use and the underfunding that doesn’t allow them toi do their jobs the way they wish. And to “be honest for once in your life” Cause and effect. ATC has no money and poor functioning equipment and are understaffed. Why? I want you to answer that question for me in your honest opinion and then tell me one doesn’t have anything to do with the other (congress) and thet they might just have an agenda regarding their wish to charge the American Pilots with Murder.. This tragic accident is “Cause and effect”. Its what is possible from underfunding. Me being an American has nothing to do with that or my opinion. I’m not Imperialist, I’m a realist. I understand your anger at the US for The S**t our government has pulled, and maybe I have no business, but now the Brazil congress wants to charge the American Pilots for Murder? Common that doesn’t smack of a cover up to you after all the bullsh*t pires came up with as to what happened? Loop in the sky, don’t know how to fly the plane, no black holes over the Amazon, they were sleeping, They didn’t follow their flightplan? Thats the point I was trying to make about the child that lies over and over again in my prevoius posting here. Every investigation into this outside of Brazil states that the problem was with Brazil ATC to the point of warnings from international air travel experts issuing warnings about Brazils airspace. Scary stuff. and Bo your statement about “they must be some bad assed mo fo’s even in its context is ridiculous. Your postings are intelligent, but that statement wasn’t.

  • No Name

    So, you missed rest of Brasil ? Shame on you, No Name

    Yea Yea! My life’s not over yet!
    But I wish they would fix ATC so I feel safe flying into Brazil. 🙂 Especially over that endless sea of Amazon jungle!
    Most of my friends are from Niteroi and Rio. A few from Bahia.

  • No Name

    Rio, Niteroi and Buzios. I have many Brazilian friends here and there. 8)

  • No Name

    Wilson
    I did and you were. 😉

  • No Name

    Wilson
    Oh I wasn’t directing the Brazil bashing comment to anything you said. I agree with you too. Completely.

  • No Name

    Wilson
    Democracy is a slow process indeed. And Democracy is far from perfect… Our current administration in the US is a perfect example of that. The Brazilians I know are decent people. And Brazilian bashing for the sake of bashing is pointless and stupid (Ch.C) and serves no constructive purpose. But this situation in Brazil… man, its like a child that tells a lie and all the adults know the child is lying because the child tells the lie 5 different ways each one more unbelieveable than the last, all the while modifying the story to try to make the adults believe it because the child has not developed that abstract reasoning yet to know no one is going to believe the lie…you know?

  • No Name

    Merda!
    Its a shame isn’t it? Looks like Brazil will be corrupt third world for a while longer. And since when does anyone in Brazil respect that Congress? Everyone knows they steal the chickens from the Henhouse. They need the blame to go to the Americans so they don’t have to give up any of that cash that normally ends up behind the fake wall in their house and use it to fix Air Traffic Control. Then they also don’t have to face the music for the lack of funding that let the problem with ATC happen in the first place. Who has the agenda here? Congress maybe? ATC Maybe? the Brazilian Military maybe? They also konw those pilots will never step foot in Brazil again so they can scapegoat them until the cows come home…until maybe 20 years from now when a decent Brazilian leader has the guts to tell it like it really is.

  • bo

    [quote]hey needed a scapegoat, and who better than a couple americans?! Wait and see, if everything comes out you’ll see that there has been so much corruption in Infraero that it would make your head spin![/quote]

    It’s all going to come out now my friends….we’ll see corruption on a scale never before seen…well, maybe not, Brazil has had some doosies in recent history. But it’s all going to be revealed now folks. Shame on those, especially the brazilian congress, that even today try and put the blame where it is not deserved. Shame on those that have blamed and still do blame the american pilots!!! Could it be any clearer now??!!

    The american pilots, like I’ve said since the beginning, need to sue the brazilian gov’t. in the Hauge!!!

  • be honest once in your life

    No Name and Wilson
    Better be someone who recognizes when and why is acting like a bitch than someone blind, clueless or coward, of their character.

  • Wilson Lima

    Honest
    [quote]Wilson, where are you when Honest needs you[/quote]

    Wilson is watching the news of the Airbus 320 crash in Sampa and petrified that some of his friends might have been on board that TAM flight ,dear. This time it is a French made aircraft,flown by Brazilian pilots and trying to land on a newly rebuilt Runway in Congonhas. Will talk to you tomorrow.

  • O velhino

    Honest
    [quote]History books say the military conquered quickly and via a brutal repression, people would protest and be killed.
    [/quote]

    How many members of your family were killed during the “Brutal Repression”?

    Marcelo, no point in arguing with this “Honest once in life”.He knows everything and ultimately he would blame Pedro Alvares Cabral for the state of affairs, we are in.btw, your understanding of the history pos 1950 is absolutely correct and coincides with mine.

  • be honest once in your life

    [quote]written by bo, 2007-07-17 21:00:14

    When brazilians blame the two American pilots, they blame the two professionals in that Legacy c**kpit, not the Americans.

    they needed a scapegoat, and who better than a couple americans?! Wait and see, if everything comes out you’ll see that there has been so much corruption in Infraero that it would make your head spin!
    [/quote]

    Your comment sounds ridiculous and you can’t even realize this. The corruption has no reach in the action of flight professioanals, unless you mean the Braz government had a plan to put in jail those pilots the moment they took off LOL. There was an accident that killed one hundred or so people and American pilots were two of the 4 pilots involved. How they are scapegoats is beyong any reasonable understanding. The Americans turn off the transponder, they are the only responsible for this accident.

    Marcelo

    Your comments are so ignorant you cannot even stop to think that xxx years ago your mama made sex with your daddy and today you are in front of your PC thanks to their act. LOL. Janio was regarded by the American government as a communist LOL! History books say the military conquered quickly and via a brutal repression, people would protest and be killed.

  • Marcelo

    BTW…
    BTW, Jango was never elected president. He was vice-president of Janio Quadros. After the resignation Brazil went into parliamentarist just to make Jango more pallatable to the military and prevent him from getting full control of the country. Then after a vote Brazil returned to presidentialism. Wrongly, Jango thought that this vote was a signal of he was personally aproved by the people. The “popular support” for Jango “misteriously” failed to materialise after the coup. At least he had the decency of not following BrizolaÀ‚´s advise to form an armed resistance at the South.

  • Marcelo

    How dare you…
    Honest,

    Ok. Now I can conclude that you are conselheiro Acacaio! I said that are trapped in the past, that your mindset is of the 50À‚´s. Being an admirer of Jango just proves my point. Why to repeat everything that went wrong here and elsewhere? This is another “brazilian tragedy”, we are always trying to re-invent the whell just to make it with four corners…

  • bo

    [quote]When brazilians blame the two American pilots, they blame the two professionals in that Legacy c**kpit, not the Americans.[/quote]

    they needed a scapegoat, and who better than a couple americans?! Wait and see, if everything comes out you’ll see that there has been so much corruption in Infraero that it would make your head spin!

  • be honest once in your life

    Bo, you are an intelligent man, how come you don’t make revenue from your investments? You run an NGO? lol

    This is a punctual situation where 2 individuals were in charge of the lives of many and their actions had a real effect on them, anything they did would affect those within their power of reach besides themselves . You blame the Brazilian government for the power they have over you! It is not an America and Brazil thing, It is a situation that involves professionals in charge of their responsibilities. When brazilians blame the two American pilots, they blame the two professionals in that Legacy cockpit, not the Americans. You should know that, since you live in Brazil for 10 years and have many Brazilian friends and even a Brazilian family…

  • be honest once in your life

    Marcelo
    [quote]written by marcelo, 2007-07-17 00:05:00

    Honest, No. I simply said that you and many others in Brazil are trapped in the past. Since you are “honest” i think that you are just another Dr. Pangloss mixed with Conselheiro Acacio, like many that exist in Brazil. The country is facing tough days. Most people eat s**t and believe that it is Caviar. They want everybody to believe that Brazil is the next superpower. I’ve seen this movie before. No wonder many people leave Brazil and move to the US, Europe, Australia, New Zealand, Canada… They lost the hope of seeing their country moving forward or simply are fed-up of living in country that decided to deny reality. [/quote]

    Unfortunately, it is not a matter of being stuck in the past. It’s through your past and roots one can understand the present situations of a person and a country! In this case, at the time Jango was elected president of Brazil and the country suffered the military coup (ditadura militar) you should ask yourself why a portion of Brazilians did that, what goals they wanted to reach, what ideas and projects they were stopping. Study and you’ll see that happened in a specific period of time in the international relations (cold war) and also a specific political time in Brazil. See that the ever current 2007 political and legal reformas were going to be carried by Jango in a real improving way, which would boost Brazil’s independence and general situation. Also study the effects this dictatorship had in Brazil and the Brazilian society. I’d say, they were not good, from any point of view you look at it. Slavery has yet its long lasting effect on Brazil, much more has censorship and that state of things that created the most repressive period of time in Brazil, if you think of it. Just for one example of ditadura’s effects, education in Brazil became a commodity, humanistic pedagogical lines were abolished and a bureaucratic curriculum was established. The quality of education was put into a new level; worst one, because at that time, the Brazilian PUBLIC education was good, really good, and something unimaginable for younger generations of Brazilians. So, the past has always a voice in the present, and will ever have.

  • bo

    [quote]…
    written by be honest once in your life, 2007-07-16 16:22:24
    Bo, you seem an opinionated American, when will you recognize that because of the greed of Americans like yourself injustices caused by Americans will always occur around the world and the blood of innocent people will be dropped? On the other hand, being not so naive, such Americans recognize this and think this is the price for ruling the world. I suppose this type of Americans make other Americans pay the price of your ignorance or/and greed. What’s your case ignorance of greed? [/quote]

    Greed of americans such as myself?? Huh???

    My ignorant, assuming, friend. I’ve been in this country for close to 10 years. In the last 3 years my partners and I began making a foreign investment in this corrupt, beaurocratic, country. We have yet to make so much as one dollar yet have spent millions of dollars and have employed as many as 40 people at one time. I pay income tax here in brazil yet do not make any income in brazil! I pay taxes on my employees and naturally pay the absurd taxes the brazilian gov’t. levies on all the products we buy on a daily basis. My partners and I do this in hope of one day making a profit, but while doing this we are providing jobs and CREATING revenue….not only for brazilians, but for the thieving, corrupt, brazilian gov’t. as well!

    Now, on another note, and the one we SHOULD be discussing. When are brazilians like you ever going to truly confront the problems at hand instead of using the U.S. or the EU or the way in which brazil was settled by the portuguese 500 years ago as a scapegoat?

  • bo

    [quote]1- Brasil is growing and becoming a major political and economical power in the world.[/quote]

    Yeah, all countries are growing, Brazil just happens to be growing much slower than the rest. Slower than ANY other latin american or carribean country….with the exception of Haiti!!

    [quote]2- Brasil has one of the largest consumer markets in the globe and, with the recent economical growth, it will be a decisive factor to any economical power on earth:[/quote]

    Laughable. It doesn’t matter what the size of your consumer market is when numbers approaching 25% of the entire population of a country makes less than 2 dollars a day!!

    [quote]3- Despite the crucial problems with the crime rate in Rio, the Pan Am games are there, for the whole world to testify that even with that terrible problem, we are capable of hosting an Olimpiad Game or Football World cup in the next years. I bet you all loved the opening of the Pan Am games in Rio, didn’t you ?? Just wait for the medals…[/quote]

    The crime rate in Rio??? Are you kidding me?? Would you like me to post the murder rates for cities and municipalities within BRAZIL that have a population of 100,000 or more??? Rio doesn’t even come close!! They’re not even in the top 100 of most dangerous cities in Brazil!! Rio is NOT the problem my blind friend, it’s BRAZIL. From the north to the south, from the capitals of states to the small municipalities in the interiors. A lack of law enforcement, a lack of respect, education, vast poverty, a bottle of cachaÀƒ§a, and everyone screwing everyone elses husbands and wives, and there’s your recipe for a country that is in the top 4 of the most dangerous countries on planet earth!

    [quote]4- Brasil has one of the busiest air traffic of the planet and one of the largest fleets (second bussiness jet and second helicopter fleets). That is an important achievement of our country in the recent past decades, when, unfortunatelly, the governments did not pay the necessary attention to the infrastructure that EVERYBODY knows needed urgent care. But, so far, the tragedy with the GOL flight was the only real serious accident caused by that dissociation between growth and infrastructure. The CAOS at specific airports like Congonhas and Guarulhos are only consequences of the decisions taken by the government to avoid (with success!) more accidents like that one.[/quote]

    Wow, I ask myself why I even respond to the incredibly stupid. Truly a task in futility. So, these delays have been because of the brazilian gov’t., Infraero, or the brazilian military?? Or have they been work stoppages because the brazilian ATC’s are refusing to work under conditions that are known and that they have known for years to be not only dangerous, but criminally negligent!

    [quote]5- The same with the roads: We have one of the largest and more complex roads networks on the globe. [/quote]

    I almost fell out of my chair on this one!!! 😀 Yeah, they sure as hell are complex, avoiding those potholes that destroy cars is quite a task, especially at night. And here in the northeast you can throw donkeys, horses, and cows in the mix. Brazil’s highway infrastructure is fucking shameful!! And everyone with the sense of a goose realizes this. Do some research, I did several years ago. Look at the number of roads and highways that the U.S. has and then look at Brazil, just to put it into perspective. Brazil is bigger than the continental U.S. ya know. If my memory isn’t failing me Brazil has approximately 1 million kilometers of “roads”, in which 600,000 kilometers are NOT paved, in other words, dirt roads! So, that leaves brazil with approximately 400,000 kilometers of paved roads in the entire country. Now, ya ready for the U.S.?? The United States has MORE THAN 10,000,000 MILES of PAVED roads….do ya know how many KILOMETERS that is??? 16,000,000 kilometers of PAVED ROADS!!! Or 40X more than the country of Brazil!!! I really don’t want to get started on driving habits here in Brazil, as most people know that out of all the countries that the United Nations keeps driving statistics for, Brazil is the most dangerous!!! Once again, no law enforcement, no education, no respect, an absurd desire to go as fast as humanly possible in a tin can in which the wheels are ready to fall off, a bottle of cachaÀƒ§a, and there ya have it.

  • Wilson Lima

    honest once in your life
    [quote]I meant to post this smiley Wilson! lol
    [/quote]

    For the first time in your life,you are honest in expressing your true sentiments and inner feelings.I am enchanted. 😉

  • marcelo

    Honest, No. I simply said that you and many others in Brazil are trapped in the past. Since you are “honest” i think that you are just another Dr. Pangloss mixed with Conselheiro Acacio, like many that exist in Brazil. The country is facing tough days. Most people eat shit and believe that it is Caviar. They want everybody to believe that Brazil is the next superpower. I’ve seen this movie before. No wonder many people leave Brazil and move to the US, Europe, Australia, New Zealand, Canada… They lost the hope of seeing their country moving forward or simply are fed-up of living in country that decided to deny reality.

  • be honest once in your life

    I meant to post this smiley Wilson! 😉 lol

  • be honest once in your life

    [quote] Why drag me into this issue unnecessarily and call me Puxa Saco, my luv? Estou no meu cantinho sem encomodar niguÀƒ©m. Now you come and start calling me names.You are so unfair and an opiniated harriden, a real martinet.

    bjs,tua bruxinha [/quote]

    irritante! 😉 e, batom rosinha?

    Marcelo, are you reading an American guide for the American standardization of the world ? lol

  • João da Silva

    [quote]Flying is now a sick joke in Brazil with no perspectives of getting better and known demagogues pose to the press as the champion of the victimÀ‚´s families cause.[/quote]

    Quote of the week. It is nauseating to see that the demagogues have taken control on every aspect of our lives and the honest citizens have become a bunch of circus clowns.btw, they have no respect for the memories of the victims nor are interested in the welfare of their families.

  • Marcelo

    The CPI wasted time with a show off. They were quoting transcripts of the “black boxes” with translation errors. Transcripts that nobody knows the origin. The representatives made a fool of themselves, they have no clue about avaition or ATC. Meanwhile billions never were spent in infra-structure and the whole mess still goes on. Flying is now a sick joke in Brazil with no perspectives of getting better and known demagogues pose to the press as the champion of the victimÀ‚´s families cause.

  • Marcelo

    Por que me ufano de meu paÀƒ­s
    The time passes but the rethoric in Brazil stays the same. Maybe most of you were not born during the military regime but in the early 70s the military regime used to say the same things as Joao Carlos de Oliveira. Listing why Brazil would become a “new superpower”… I saw this film before and history repeats itself in Brazil in the most pathetic way.
    But others still go back in time to the 50À‚´s blaming “american imperialism” for everything bad that happens here. Even plane crashes!

  • Wilson Lima

    honest once in your life
    [quote]Wilson wishy-washy this vocabulary is copied from the novelas da Globo and from the typical Brasilia’s business environment, I knew you would like it. I think you’ve got lots of gene for puxa-saquismo. One can feel 100% sure that in fact you succeded in Brazil!

    [/quote]

    Why drag me into this issue unnecessarily and call me Puxa Saco, my luv? Estou no meu cantinho sem encomodar niguÀƒ©m. Now you come and start calling me names.You are so unfair and an opiniated harriden, a real martinet.

    bjs,tua bruxinha :-*

  • be honest once in your life

    Bo, you seem an opinionated American, when will you recognize that because of the greed of Americans like yourself injustices caused by Americans will always occur around the world and the blood of innocent people will be dropped? On the other hand, being not so naive, such Americans recognize this and think this is the price for ruling the world. I suppose this type of Americans make other Americans pay the price of your ignorance or/and greed. What’s your case ignorance of greed?

    Macelo

    Iraq accident has nothing to do with the Boeing and Legacy accident. I hope this is clear. If it is not, I’ll make it easy for you. It’s the American greed and imperialistic proud that is in game I suppose. Unless you are a Brazilian who acts exaclty like that locally i.e. does anything to hold on to your and others piece of fat cake, this should be clear. Tape records and flight plans came out and evidences are there for those who trust them. So your government is corrupt, your public services are inadequate but proofs aren’t. I suppose the families of the victms have the right to wish the truth.

    Wilson wishy-washy this vocabulary is copied from the novelas da Globo and from the typical Brasilia’s business environment, I knew you would like it. I think you’ve got lots of gene for puxa-saquismo. One can feel 100% sure that in fact you succeded in Brazil!

  • Luis Carlos de Oliveira

    Bo, please pay some attention to this prescription to your illness:
    All this story can be downsized to just 3 words: DOR DE COTOVELO!
    See why:
    1- Brasil is growing and becoming a major political and economical power in the world. It doesn’t need to be also a military power and waist Zillions of precious tax payers dollars just because WE AS A NATION DON’T HAVE ENEMIES !
    2- Brasil has one of the largest consumer markets in the globe and, with the recent economical growth, it will be a decisive factor to any economical power on earth: EUA, UE, China, Mercosur will all seek for doing bussiness with Brasil. Zillions more of dollars are involved here.
    3- Despite the crucial problems with the crime rate in Rio, the Pan Am games are there, for the whole world to testify that even with that terrible problem, we are capable of hosting an Olimpiad Game or Football World cup in the next years. I bet you all loved the opening of the Pan Am games in Rio, didn’t you ?? Just wait for the medals…
    4- Brasil has one of the busiest air traffic of the planet and one of the largest fleets (second bussiness jet and second helicopter fleets). That is an important achievement of our country in the recent past decades, when, unfortunatelly, the governments did not pay the necessary attention to the infrastructure that EVERYBODY knows needed urgent care. But, so far, the tragedy with the GOL flight was the only real serious accident caused by that dissociation between growth and infrastructure. The CAOS at specific airports like Congonhas and Guarulhos are only consequences of the decisions taken by the government to avoid (with success!) more accidents like that one. The actions taken on overbooking, gaps between flights, equipment reliability and crews’s skills are in the center of the causes for the so called CAOS in the airports. But, believe, it is a price we all needed to pay in order to put some organization in that very fast growing sector of our economy. All those problems are being taken care of. Just read the news and you will realize that the necessary actions are in course.
    5- The same with the roads: We have one of the largest and more complex roads networks on the globe. Just Sao Paulo State have about the same milage of German roads (paved unpaved). Think carefully: only one state has almost the same population and almost the same road extention of the second largest economy on earth. But our GNP and budget, compared to that of Germany is only a fraction of it. After so may years of total mis manegement the country is trying hard to put some order in that sector too.

    I would need the whole day and night to list here everything that is being done to catapult this country to the place where it belongs to.
    And that is what is affecting so much, guys like you. You do not want us, a third world country, or a “banana republic” as you guys like to call us, to be one more of the USA competitors, specially now when the insane war for oil (what a non sense!) makes guys like you to carry the price of it on your on own back… while your country is suffering with the greatest deficit in the history of humanity… while the major military empire on earth is loosing the war to a half dozen of extremists armed with no more than paper cutters… If you balance everything that is happening to the US with everything that is happening to Brasil, I bet we will win… All that, added to the out-of-date arrogance that makes you guys “sui-generis” wherever you go on the face of the globe is what you should be concerned about!
    Therefore my friend, all this (plus thousand of other positive factors in our country that doens’t make sense to list here -you can read them on the news, both national and iternational) is making guys like you to loose your temper and desperately pinpoint sentences and phrases on the media trying to convince everybodyelse that the poor american pilots have no resposibility whatsoever in this episode and that the monkies still rule this country…
    I don’t know the translation for PIEGAS into english, but, believe me my friend, your speach is becoming piegas. You may look for professional help because you seem to be frustrated and depressed.
    WE, PEOPLE OF BRASIL, DO KNOW THAT WE HAVE MANY MANY PROBLEMS YET TO BE SOLVED. EDUCATION, CRIME, ROADS, CORRUPTIONS, ETC ETC. AND WE ARE WORKING TO SOLVE THEM ALL OUT. WE JUST DON’T NEED ANY MERCENARY LIVING INSIDE OUR BORDERS TO SPEND MOST OF HIS TIME TRYING TO CONVINCE US THAT WE ARE ALL A BUNCH OF CRAP. YOUR TECHNIQUE IS OUT OF DATE. IT WAS OK 40, 50 YEARS AGO ON THE GROUND LEVELED LAND OF EUROPE AFTER WAR, BUT THE TIME HAS CHANGED AND WE DO NOT NEED TO LISTEN TO “PAUS MANDADOS” LIKE YOURSELF ANYMORE. PLEASE, IF YOU FEEL UNHAPPY WITH OUR COUNTRY, DO LIKE JOE SHARKEY AND TAKE THE ONLY WAY OUT: THE CLOSEST AIRPORT AND GO HOME! (Please don’t forget to take with you all your favorite friends..)

  • Marcelo

    Amazing
    Amazing that some people bring the Iraq war to this topic! Some people here in Brazil still can not accept criticism to the country and reply with silly rants on the problems of other nations.
    Some people here still believe on the myths of “Porque me ufano do meu paÀƒ­s”. A mandatory reading for schoolchildren until the 1940s. At that time was easy to brainwash brazilians that they were living on a earthly paradise but now with internet, cable TV, international travel is amazing that lots of people here prefer to stay in denial. Unfortunately, Brazil is lagging behind other nations. During my lifetime I watched South Korea overtake Brazil just to give you an example. I wonder when we will realise that this country is so messed up.

  • bo

    [quote]It was 2003 not 2002 when Iraq war began but it is 700,000 Iraqis killed, that’s 300,000 to one million. You people cannot understand only the word ALMOST in my statement, why is that?[/quote]

    Why is that? Well, a couple of reasons, firstly because it’s nearly 50% more than what you’re now claiming to be the “real number”, 50% of anything, more or less, is not “almost”, anyway you slice it!

    Secondly, this new “study” that you’ve found that quotes this ridiculous number is just that…ridiculous! Are you so naive not to even think just who may be behind this study? Have you heard of a british organization called “Iraq body count”? I mean, they’re certainly not “pro Iraqi war”, much to the contrary, and even they have a HIGH estimate of 73,611!!! Even groups within Iraq and the Iraqi gov’t. have never reported a number higher than 200,000!!! Also, this new, left-wing sponsored study that is reporting 700,000 Iraqi’s killed also states that the vast majority have been killed by explosions and that the allied forces are responsible for 30% of those. In other words, the vast majority of deaths in Iraq since the invasion began have been Iraqi religious factions killing Iraqi’s from other religious factions. I know what you’ll say now, “well, that wouldn’t be happening if the U.S. wasn’t there”. And yes, you’d be right, only the people from one religious faction would be doing the killing and they’d be the same religion of that great humanitarian Saddam Hussein. Now let’s see ya cuddle up with him!

  • bo

    “The Ignorance….ahhhhh…The Ignorance”
    In my best impersonation of Marlon Brando in “Apocolypse Now.”

    [quote]I would pay a good amount of money just in order to read their professional resumeÀƒ©s…
    Luis Carlos de Oliveira[/quote]

    [b]LMAO!![/b] Well, naturally I’m a mercenary!! How else could any human ever say anything negative about brazil?? Someone must be paying me!!;-)

    No dipshit, I know how to read. I realize that is a rare ability here in brazil, but I know how to read and I know how to research, and….are you ready for this……I actually research other sources of information than O’GLOBO!!!

    [b]YIKES![/b]:o

    Are you all aware that a few weeks ago during Senate testimony that a Brazilian seargent testified that:

    “the secondary radar was known to be malfunctioning that day in the area of the crash, and controllers had been warned that aircraft transponders might be unreliable.”

    Also, here are some excerpts from the current [b]Veja.[/b]

    [b][i]”The system that cost $1.7 billion is constantly breaking down, brings risks to aviation, and is not capable of watching the Amazon.

    … THE SYSTEM DOES NOT OPERATE IN MINIMALLY ACCEPTABLE CONDITIONS FOR COMMERCIAL AVIATION NOR FOR MILITARY ENDS.

    Its RADARS SUFFER CONSTANT BREAKDOWNS. When this happens, the SCREENS SHOW AIRPLANES THAT DON’T EXIST AND INCORRECTLY INFORM THE DIRECTION AND VELOCITY OF AIRCRAFT WHICH ARE, IN FACT IN AIR SPACE.[/b]

    One [B]AIR FORCE REPORT OBTAINED BY VEJA[/B]reveals that, at the beginning of the decade, these [B]breakdowns were tolerated, because “few aircraft flew in the region.” Since then, aerial traffic has increased and the frequency of breakdowns, too.[/B]

    One example of the risk through which the people who fly over the Amazon pass is the episode that occurred [b]last March 27, at the headquarters of Cindacta 4, in Manaus.

    For twenty seconds, the flight-control console [falsely] indicated that a TAM Airbus A330 had collided in midair with a Gol Boeing 737-800 between the cities of Sinop, in Mato Grosso, and Cachimbo, in ParÀƒ¡. [Joe Sharkey’s note: this is the area over the Amazon where the Gol 737 and the Legacy 600 would collide for real on Sept. 29][/b]

    BEFORE INDICATING THE DISASTER, the [B]system showed more than 100 sudden changes of velocity, direction and altitude, as if the jets were performing acrobatic maneuvers.[/B]

    All the information was false, including that of the accident. But, when the alarm sounded, the flight controller who monitored the planes went into shock. “The danger is in a CONTROLLER IGNORING A REAL DANGER, DUE TO THE CONSTANT SIGNALING OF FALSE ALARMS,”alerts the DOCUMENT of the AIR FORCE COMMAND ” [/i]

    Now, knuckledraggers like “be honest once in your life” and Luis Carlos, I’m quite sure, will be pissed at Veja for bringing this story out.” How could they?? That’s unpatriotic isn’t it? I mean, we realize it’s the truth but it’s showing brazil in a bad light, it’s showing our soft underbelly and we’re just a poor third world country. The gringo’s will laugh at us…….Ohhh no!!! 😮 The horror….the horror!!!

  • bo

    First…a post to the site admins…
    If you guy/gals don’t get this site fixed soon, I for one will be gone. I own internet sites and it’s absurd that the same bugs that have existed for well over a year now have not been fixed. I have now made TWO lengthy posts and each and every one got deleted because when one goes to add a smiley, or click on the “B” button to bold, or the “I” button to italicize, one of your fucking popups redirects your window and everything you have written has been erased!!! I can’t tell you how many times this has happened over the last year or more. It’s difficult for me to believe that you’re not aware of this problem, and even more perplexing as to why you refuse to have it resolved.

  • Wilson Lima

    honest once in your life
    [quote]I am paying attention because next election I am strongly considering vote to PSOl and all left wing parties LOL. They are at least probably more clean than your pinto …
    [/quote]

    I always keep my Pinto clean,my luv.So you dont have to worry .PSOL, not a bad idea. But I am so disppointed with all the political parties and I dont know whom I will vote the next time.

    btw, you seem to be a hot person. I love the way, you communicate.Very positive.

  • be honest once in your life

    Being PM of Sao Paulo responsible for one chacina per month in the city of Sao Paulo I guess I am not a real fan of your Policia Militar you know. One more Brazilian goal ! hoohoo go Brazil!

  • be honest once in your life

    Wilson
    Friend I wouldn’t be surprise at anything Brazilian! lol Most Brazilian reactionary privileged are state maintained the big taxes are utilized for something after all! They have bigg pensions for having commited all types of CRIMES. You know that better than I do.

    Left winger? I don’t vote, simply put I annulate all my votes.

    BUT it seems PCSol was the only political party that held on to punish Renan Calheiros and if it wasn’t for PSOl he would be relaxing and gozando right now LOL!!! I am paying attention because next election I am strongly considering vote to PSOl and all left wing parties LOL. They are at least probably more clean than your pinto …

  • Wilson Lima

    [quote]Hope your not one policia miliar, you know they kill for no reason other than revange.[/quote]

    You would be surprised to know that I was much above the ranks of Policia Militar. Do you have anything against our PM ? You must be one of those left wingers,opportunists and a great fan of Pires.Card carrying member of the PCB.All the best luv. I am very disppointed in ya,because, I had great hopes for you and thought a romance was blooming. But…. What can I do?

  • be honest once in your life

    Duhh lol And that’s a bimbo comment you made…. Most Brazilians must be shallow. Or cynical. And cheaters as well. Hope your not one policia miliar, you know they kill for no reason other than revange. Or a hacker. Brazilians would do anything to revenge themselves…

  • Wilson Lima

    honest once in your life
    [quote]Wilson, your a hypocrite just as your cascao presidente, sorry to say that.
    [/quote]

    It is unfair comment you made. I didnt vote for that guy 🙁

  • Wilson Lima

    To:honest once in your life
    [quote] And I’m a Brazilian a*****e woman, fofo! Brazil is a complex country sigh
    [/quote]

    Ah, NÀƒ£o vou brigar contigo :-*

  • be honest once in your life

    😀 😀 😉

  • be honest once in your life

    wilson
    That’s so funny most Brazilian men are completely sex perverts (being bunda the national sex fetish) and when I talk about a simple healthy sex act they get all touchy. LOL.

    The same goes to American women they have all sort of liberalism and kinkyness and ohhh balls cook pussy this is all so self-degrating! Wilson, your a hypocrite just as your cascao presidente, sorry to say that.
    BTW, your country is a lata de lixo de tÀƒ£o sujo! No I’m not talking about the Brazilia corrupt morality. Walk any Brazilian city and you’ll feel like throwing out! But then most middle class Brazilians have cars and are so fat that they dont walk in the Brazilian streets! I’ve got a car but I also walk in the streets… And I’m a Brazilian asshole woman, fofo! Brazil is a complex country sigh

  • Wilson Lima

    To:No Name
    [quote]What is MOD?
    [/quote]

    Sorry, I forgot to answer your question. It is an abbreviation for Ministry Of Defence.

  • Wilson Lima

    honest once in your life
    [quote]what about Wilson Lima, what category is he in being him a gringo’s pussy sucker?
    [/quote]

    You are a pompous asshole,misguided by misguided natinalism and a bloody leftwing whiner. Gross and a big loser too.

  • Wilson Lima

    To:No Name
    [quote] I read about his exile and that he was against the dictatorship in the 60’s and emerged as a poiltical hero when he came back from exile in Paris in the 60’s. My husband told me the CIA tried to have him assiassinated because the US backed the military dictatorship and Pires was popular and against the dicataorship.[/quote]

    CIA trying to assasinate Pires? LAUGH,LAUGH……. CIA blew it again.Pires, a Political hero, when was that? I think yourmhusband got the entire history wrong.

    Unfortunately, I have to ask ch.c to explain it all. He is more patient than I am,in such explanations.

  • be honest once in your life

    i’m returning to register that I think i know what will be no name’s next post. I’m not American, I’m Swiss!!! 😉

  • be honest once in your life

    ** oops, Amerrikan women**

  • be honest once in your life

    Amerrikan are not a sport indeed! Now I understand it through my own experience. Honestly I never understood when men would complain about them but I can relate now

  • be honest once in your life

    and whats so degrading about oral sex in a woman? Don’t you like to be pleased this way by your Brazilian hubby? I’ve heard AL Capone say that American women’s favorite sexual favor was oral sex.. 😉

  • be honest once in your life

    😉 I’m a woman and you did not respond. You being a woman is allowed to bully Luis but cannot be bullied as well? Well then respect and you’ll be repected I would say… Anyways, don’t you feel please to have a puxa-saco?

  • be honest once in your life

    NO Name
    [quote]Oh come on. Everything is not a conspiracy. Except maybe this situation. Ch.c is Swiss. He has an ax to grind. Bo lives in Brazil and sees the injustice around him and is angry about it. You fit into the catagory he spoke of in his last postin[/quote]

    You said about Luis what about Wilson Lima, what category is he in being him a gringo’s pussy sucker? 😉

  • be honest once in your life

    It was 2003 not 2002 when Iraq war began but it is 700,000 Iraqis killed, that’s 300,000 to one million. You people cannot understand only the word ALMOST in my statement, why is that?

    Perhaps you forgot Abu Ghraid and Guantanamo already?

    No the world should not see you as bullies and oil merceneries, no.

    And with this Legacy accident reactions and responses you are seem as perfectly fair and honest peopl sure.

    I understand just a few bunch of Americans are heroes in America, who can face the truth.

    Stop acting as cry babies and GROW UP ALREADY,

    many innocent people are touched and killed by your immense selfishness and egocentrism. It seems you people understand no other words. Dirty dirty people you are who can only attack others weaker than you and protect yourselves from the filthiest dishonesties. nuff said

  • Wilson Lima

    No Name
    [quote]But I guess you have to consider that he is old school.
    [/quote]

    No,No Name. I consider him from NO SCHOOL. A ripe candidate to seek asylum in Switzerland. May be ch.c will sponsor him.

  • Wilson Lima

    No Name
    [quote]And know that he has done good things in the past and is respected.And know that he has done good things in the past and is respected.[/quote]

    Could you please list all the good things he has done? Many sane Brasilians in this site would certainly be interested in knowing all the lovely things he has done for the well being of this country.

    Gee, No Name, are you trying to get a job in our MOD?

  • Wilson Lima

    No Name
    [quote]Common that doesn’t smack of a cover up to you after all the bullsh*t pires came up with as to what happened? Loop in the sky, don’t know how to fly the plane, no black holes over the Amazon, they were sleeping, They didn’t follow their flightplan? Thats the point I was trying to make about the child that lies over and over again in my prevoius posting here.[/quote]

    Pires always came up and still continues to come up with bullshit and lots of people here dont take him seriously. He has as much qualification to be a Minister of Defence as Marta Suplicy has to be the Minister of Tourism.Pires was always anti military and when Brasil became a democracy, he was one of the beneficiaries.He is 80 years old and quite senile. Holding on to his job as your Rumsfeld did for years,before Bush fired him.I wonder when Lula is going to get rid of Pires.

    I would rather wait until the final report on the cause of the Gol tragedy to be released before coming to any premature conclusions. As for as I remember,this is the first time any country has set up various commissions of enquiry to come out with premature verdicts.

    Thanks No Name for your comments and clarifying that you are a Lady based in S.Franscisco and please do come and visit us again.btw, I am against removing the traffic control from our Air Force. Our FAB is very disciplined and very professional.We have very good civilian pilots too to fly our Commercial Air Liners.

  • Luis Carlos de Oliveira

    Can’t you smell mercenaries here ??
    For the ones new to this site and to this subject:
    If you feel like vomiting when reading mo* fu*s like these insanes under the names of Bo and ch. c, please, don’t waist your time and dont punish yourself. Just keep in your mind that this accident may condemn some US companies with stratospheric penalities and those companies need mercenaries like those two gentlemen above in order to propagate “their” point of view in regards to the accident. No matter if they insist with lies, false leads, false testimony, or whatever. They are getting their salaries just to do what they are doing. And, being honest, they do it really good. I would pay a good amount of money just in order to read their professional resumeÀƒ©s…
    Luis Carlos de Oliveira

  • ch.c.

    To the idiots……against ch.c. comments !!!!!
    quite normal for Brazilians government, medias and members of this site…to bash against the USA and/or the EU !

    But you feel insulted when others bash against Brazil !

    Nomal you are Brazilians. As someone said above, you are convinced to be first in technology, science, education, drugs, agriculture, reduction in poverty, housing, rule of laws, accountability, economical growth rate. infrastructure, WORLD BEST AIR SECURITY SYSTEM AS PER YOUR MINISTER or just name it !!!!!!!
    You want to teach all the above not only to Africa but also to the USA, EU, Arabs and Asians, CHINESE INCLUDED…OF COURSE !!!!!.

    DEAR BRAZILIANS IDIOTS :
    As you all know, the only thing you can produce is CHEAP BASIC COMMODITES WITHOUT ADDED VALUE.
    ALL THE REST COME FROM FOREIGN TECHNOLOGY AND FOREIGN INVESTMENTS.
    You could not produce so many tons of grains, without foreign seeds, foreign tractors, foreign fongicides, foreign harvesters !

    You could not transport all your goods without foreign trucks because you dont even have the technology and knowhow to build them !!!!!!
    Even your flex fuel engines that you are so proud of….ARE NOT BRAZILIAN…..wether you like or not ! It is BOSCH a german company who got
    the award from your Science and Technology Dept. for the invention of the flex fuel management system ! Saying or telling otherwise is either cheating or lying as Brazilians are experts !

    DEAR BRAZILIAN IDIOTS,
    Stop gazing, caressing your navel and singing like chicken.
    Brazil has the lowest economic growth rate of ALL developing countries for the past 5 years, wether you like it or not..
    Brazil after 15 cuts, has STILL the world highest interests rates….after inflation, wether you like it or not..
    Brazil has still many many slaves workers and millions and millions of slaves alike workers, notably in your so proud sugarcane fields.
    Yesssss manual harvesting is still cheaper in Brazil than mechanical harvesting. Thus why really invest in machinery….is your logo and moto !!!!!

    DEAR BRAZILIANS IDIOTS,
    You feel so proud about your exports that you are blinded by the reality.
    Reality being that even in 2007 your total exports will in fact still be LESS than US$ 1000.- ANNUALLY…..PER CAPITA !

    Just think again : even thailand and many other developing countries export far more than you do…on a per capita basis !
    Just obtain numbers by yourself. Quite easy for everyone, but may be not so for Brazilians. Afraid of reality ?????

    DEAR BRAZILIANS IDIOTS,
    You enjoy so much reading the propaganda and rosy numbers from your filthy government people, why dont you enjoy as much…..
    the SAD REALITY AND COMPARE YOUR PERFORMANCE OR WHATEVER METRICS OF YOUR CHOICE WITH OTHER NATIONS ??????
    You could even start comparing your performances with your neighbouring countries, such as Argentina and Chile, then go to Mexico, and then compare with Asian and Arabs countries !!!!!

    You will see by yourselves, hopefully, that your performances that you are so proud of, have nothing to be proud of !!!!

    Byyyyyyye now !!!

  • bo

    [quote]and Bo your statement about “they must be some bad assed mo fo’s even in its context is ridiculous. Your postings are intelligent, but that statement wasn’t.[/quote]

    No Name, a ridiculous statement normally ilicits a ridiculous response. For someone to state that one million Iraqi’s have died in the war in Iraq since it began is simply insane. To be honest, it’s such an absurd statement that it doesn’t even deserve a response. But unfortunately there are many people in the world that are very misinformed and may swallow a line of horseshit like the one he posted. And just to illustrate how ignorant that poster is, the war in Iraq began in March of [b]2003, NOT 2002.[/b]

    And just so you no No Name, it doesn’t matter to some on this site if you say you’re american, that you disagree with many things are gov’t. does, that you state that you don’t like Bush, that you admit we make mistakes, etc, etc, etc. What you need to understand is that there are a faction of people here, in brazil, that have never sinned. They have never done any wrong, they NEVER apologize, and they have a blind sense of “national pride”, why is anyone’s best guess. But at the end of the day the situation is they will use any scapegoat, any excuse, to not accept responsibility. And if a gringo is involved……ohhh boy!!! That is a perfect one! They will compare everyday, “business as usual” situations here in brazil….to the war in Iraq! They will justify the innumerous injustices that exist here in Brazi in which they rank among the worlds worst by saying, “Well, you have violence in your country too”, or “the U.S. is a corrupt country as well”. And, they’re right, corruption exists in ALL countries, violence exists in ALL countries, [b]but they don’t exist in epidemic proportions in all countries![/b]

  • bo

    [quote]When I say be honest (and responsible) once in your life, can you take the responsibility for the almost 1 million Iraqi people murdered since 2002?[/quote]

    What in the hell are you smoking jack??? One million people???? [b]LMAO![/b] Damn bud, if the USA can lose less than 4,000 soldiers and be responsible for killing 1,000,000 Iraqui’s they must be some bad-ass mo’fo’s!

  • be honest once in your life

    bo
    Whatˢ۪s been written are critics that can be thought of or ignored. Its been said that the global capitalism is bound to turn the world into one Brazil, the brazilianization of the US of A, where income gaps create different worlds which donˢ۪t meet within a same place. Both poor and rich are alienated from their humanity, thatˢ۪s a critic. Another is the technological capitalism turn middle-classes slaves of the consumer market, their lives are defined by what they can consume and they are disempowered of their ability to change their lives and therefore the life of the underprivileged. There are 140 million Brazilians (75% of Brazilˢ۪s population according to IBGE, refer to site) who are illiterate or functional illiterates, all these people without reading one single book throughout their lives. The book market in Brazil can reach the maximum of 25% of the population. Only if middle class were able to do something together capitalism would be a different thing. Rivers of taxes would improve the lives of Brazilians if corrupt politicians were put in jails in Brazil. So thatˢ۪s why I say capitalism in practice private people from their humanity, they can no longer function integrally as human beings, people have no tolerance to their and other peopleˢ۪s human qualities.

    So, the discussion is a critic to you who defend yourselves without taking into consideration human lives, who only understand what being an American is all about. When I say be honest (and responsible) once in your life, can you take the responsibility for the almost 1 million Iraqi people murdered since 2002? It is too sad reading what Americans say about this Boeing tragedy when the world sees whatˢ۪s been done by you until now. Take all that into consideration when acting and reacting.

  • bo

    [quote]It was a tragedy, there were responsible professionals in command and they must respond for their action. [/quote]

    Well, let’s put some quotation marks around the word, “professionals”, mmmk? But you’re right about one thing, there certainly are people responsible for this accident and the most obvious are the people that have allowed this antiquated system to exist for years while budgets that were supposed to go into the ATC system, ATC training, and the hiring of more ATC’s etc, hasn’t been spent on what it was appropriated for…..but par for the course in brazil!

    [quote]What amazes me is that Americans are so prompt to denigrate Brazil’s image, and also so eager to invest 10 billion dollars of their money in Brazil this year.[/quote]

    Please my man, this statement demonstrates your ignorance! 10 Billion dollars of American investment??? Woooopeeeee! That’s not even a pimple on the ass of the elephant known as American foreign investment!!

    Come on now, “be honest for once in your life”!!! Whom do you think needs whom here?? The statistics would make brazilians cringe on seeing how reliant Brazil is on the United States.

    [quote]So the question would be, this amount of money foreigners place in Brazil is to keep the country from making a new French revolution and beheading the elite?[/quote]

    And there it is, the U.S. is blamed by geniuses like yourself for the military coup here in brazil, brazilians had nothing to do with it, now you’re going to blame us for NOT having a revolution against the brazilian elite…..and just when I thought I had heard it all!

  • bo

    -It is, of course, also possible that the transponder was accidently knocked into standby, perhaps by being inadvertently jostled by a pilot’s foot. (At the bottom of this post, I’m pasting a recent safety alert on Legacy 600 jets by the F.A.A., warning operators of exactly that possibility in the design of that airplane.)

    -No one but a lunatic would suggest that the pilots deliberately turned off a transponder, however.(My remark:what’s new, lunatics in authoritative positions and people making irrational claims in brazil)

    -Whatever the case, [b]a working transponder[/b] and its associated collision-avoidance alarm [b]were at best the last possible chance to avoid impact when air-traffic control had already put two planes (and this is also no longer in dispute by anyone with the sense of a cabbage) on a direct collision course at 37,000 feet, each closing in on one another at about 500 miles an hour.[/b]

    [b]And Here Is The Hook….[/b]

    -It is NOT the pilots’ job to monitor a transponder, we also know. It is the [b]duty of air traffic control.[/b] And we know (again, not in disupute) that for [b]50 minutes before the crash, air traffic control in Brasilia, which had charge of the Legacy, was aware that the transponder wasn’t functioning and, incredibly, did nothing to alert the pilots to that fact![/b]

    So, you see, at the end of the day, as our mates across the pond like to say, any way one slices it the blame is to be assigned to either 1. The Brazilian ATC’s or 2. The brazilian ATC system or 3. Embraer

    So, if some want to say that the americans turned off their transponder ok, that is a possibility, but it certainly wasn’t intentional, malicious, or of criminal neglect. As was posted above, the FAA recently released a warning telling pilots that in that particular model of Embraer plane exists the danger of inadvertantly turning off the transponder as it is right beside a foot rest and if/when turned off does not alert the pilots in a manner that calls attention to it. [b]But, at the end of the day, the fact still remains……It is NOT the pilots’ job to monitor a transponder, we also know. It is the duty of air traffic control. And we know (again, not in disupute) that for 50 minutes before the crash, air traffic control in Brasilia, which had charge of the Legacy, was aware that the transponder wasn’t functioning and, incredibly, did nothing to alert the pilots to that fact!

  • bo

    To:be honest once in your life
    Are you fucking kidding me? I’m so glad all of this is in print so we all have proof of some of the incredibly stupid mindsets that exist here in Brazil!!! It reminds me of so many of the small minded idiots (sorry for calling them idiots, but there is truly no other description that fits them better) I encounter at times here in my northeastern city. Their responses to tragic realities in brazil goes something like this….An english friend of mine gets robbed in his home and shot this past April 30th, nearly dies, the bullet hit the femoral artery in his thigh and he nearly bled to death, had to have emergency vascualar surgery, nearly lost his life and was damn lucky not to lose his leg. I was with him the day of the shooting up until aproximately 2 hours before the incident took place. I was interviewed on the news here along with one of my best friends, who is brazilian. I know many people in my city but many more know me, as there are not many gringos where I live. When asked “if I feel safe” by the reporter, I responded that I didn’t. I also commented on the outrageous taxes that we all pay and if we want security we have to provide it for ourselves, “seguaranÀƒ§a publica” is nearly non-existant. A few days later I see an older man that I’m acquainted with at the local mall whom is a big organizer of the PT party here in my state. He says, “I saw you on tv, are you going back to your country?” I replied, “I’m not sure, but considering it”. His reply, “Well, don’t they have crime in your country too?”

    I simply replied, “yes, we do.” And the reason why I didn’t start throwing statistics out at IDIOTS like this, such as a person is 7X more likely to be murdered in Brazil than the U.S., 25X more likely to be murdered in Brazil than the U.K., and the rates for robberies, rapes, and other crimes is equally high, is because they simply won’t understand. They are so blinded by some sort of twisted “nationalism” or national pride(of what I have no fucking clue), that it doesn’t matter what you say to them or the facts you throw out. They have their mind made up and it’s as simple as that.

    Now, “Be honest once in your life”(laughing almost in disbelief at your name, but I’ve been here for a while so I’m accustomed to brain dead people like yourself.), do YOU understand the FACTS in this case?? You obviously DO NOT. Let me give you some that I’ve taken from Mr. Sharkey’s site…

    1.The Brazilian federal prosecutor has already made it clear in the existing indictment that there is no evidence that the American pilots (assuming they did anything wrong) acted either recklessly or intentionally.

    2.It’s no longer in dispute among international aviation investigators that the crash was caused by egregious air-traffic controller errors, coupled with an air-traffic control system that is saddled with antiquated equipment and that functions daily with the reality of radar and radio dead zones — especially over the Amazon, where the collision took place.

    3.There is a matter of perhaps a [b]malfunctioning transponder[/b] on the Legacy 600 business jet. Was the Legacy transponder malfunctioning? No one has yet been able to say. There is evidence to suggest that the transponder unit in the Legacy might have had some prior technological problems before being installed in the plane that were not disclosed to ExcelAire.

  • be honest once in your life

    What is the Brazilian congress influence on that horrific accident is beyond me but it seems, by assessing the comments of the Americans here, that the Brazilian congressists were the responsible for operating and flying that Legacy jet on that tragic day.

    What has the corruption of the congress to do with the causes of the accident? They are Brazils spokesperson. So denegrating Brazilians Congress make not a difference to the truth of this tragedy. It was a tragedy, there were responsible professionals in command and they must respond for their action.

    Poor imperialists cry babies and victmized! Too unwiling and indulgent to accept any and no responsibility, that seems the Americans pilots were not even inside that cockpit.

    What amazes me is that Americans are so prompt to denigrate Brazil’s image, and also so eager to invest 10 billion dollars of their money in Brazil this year. What is the fear envolving this accident? The local populace will kick you from the country and you won’t no longer reign here?

    So, on one hand we have a populace of 140 million of poor people assisted by ill health care and inefficient education who understandably will vote for the corrupt. On the other we have rich and filthy foreigners and local lazy and corrupt Brazilians gringo ball licker who are profiting so much in a country so corrupt and ignorant. So the question would be, this amount of money foreigners place in Brazil is to keep the country from making a new French revolution and beheading the elite?

  • Wilson Lima

    No Name
    Which country you from? You are getting paranoic about our ATC.Our Air Force boys and girls are very very good and so no worries.It was very unfortunate what happened last year and that doesnt mean you dont have to fly over the Amazon. Come again and nothing will happen to you.

    btw, are you a lady or a gentleman?

  • Wilson Lima

    No Name
    [quote]Rio, Niteroi and Buzios. I have many Brazilian friends here and there.
    [/quote]

    So, you missed rest of Brasil ? Shame on you, No Name 😉

  • Wilson Lima

    To:No Name
    [quote] did and you were.
    [/quote]

    Which part of Brasil?

  • Wilson Lima

    To:No Name
    [quote]Oh I wasn’t directing the Brazil bashing comment to anything you said. I agree with you too. Completely.
    [/quote]

    Thanks,my friend. If ever you visit our country, you will find us hospitable and friendly.

  • Wilson Lima

    To:No Name
    [quote]But this situation in Brazil… man, its like a child that tells a lie and all the adults know the child is lying because the child tells the lie 5 different ways each one more unbelieveable than the last, all the while modifying the story to try to make the adults believe it because the child has not developed that abstract reasoning yet to know no one is going to believe the lie…you know?
    [/quote]

    Son, do you think I am happy about it? No way. Brasilian bashing is very easy and entertaining for people like Ch.c and the others. The point I am trying to make is exactly like yours. There are plenty of decent Brasilians who are tryimg to make their lives, in spite of the adverse conditions. We are big fighters and adaptive and we will overcome the obstacles our politicians created (mind you, not putting the blame on the rest of the world). We shall prevail and be sure of it. Thanks for your view point. It is good to read comments from Non Brasilian bashers.

  • forest Brown

    where will you find them
    unless my wife and i have a child and send it to school outside brasil
    at your present level we would have to rebread brasil until we bread
    all the crime out of the country

    brasil is not unlike we just have not gotton to the demagoge stage yet
    but our goverment is trying to catch up with brasil

    and now brasilians are teaching other lands on how they do business , farm , sicence , build
    lie cheat seal
    and who knows what else

  • forest Brown

    where will you find them
    unless my wife and i have a child and send it to school outside brasil
    at your present level we would have to rebread brasil until we bread
    all the crime out of the country

    brasil is not unlike we just have not gotton to the demagoge stage yet
    but our goverment is trying to catch up with brasil

    and now brasilians are teaching other lands on how they do business , farm , sicence , build
    lie cheat seal
    and who knows what else

  • bo

    [quote]bo whitch countries goverment are you talk ing about
    written by forest Brown, 2007-07-13 15:42:11 [/quote]

    What statement are you referring to?

  • Wilson Lima

    No Name
    [quote]until maybe 20 years from now when a decent Brazilian leader has the guts to tell it like it really is.
    [/quote]

    Poland experimented with Leh Waleska,Russia experimented with Boris Yeltsin and now we are experimenting with Lula and the congress elected democratically by us.You are right,in 20 years time, we would have learnt to elect honest leaders who would assume responsibilities for their deeds and misdeeds,instead of blaming others for our miseries.Unfortunately during the past two decades,we have been confusing “liberdade” with “libertinagem”. In the next two decades, we will learn how to differentiate between these two.Democracy is indeed a slow process.

  • forest Brown

    bo whitch countries goverment are you talk ing about
    The worst thing in this world, next to anarchy, is government.

  • ch.c.

    Lets face it !!!!
    WHO WOULD TRUST A BRAZILIAN POLITICIAN OR THE FAMOUS BRAZILIAN (IN)JUSTICE DEPT….ANYWAY ????

    Brazil is a Fifth World Country in many respects and is governed by Filthy people…in all respects !

  • bo

    [quote]They also konw those pilots will never step foot in Brazil again so they can scapegoat them until the cows come home…until maybe 20 years from now when a decent Brazilian leader has the guts to tell it like it really is.[/quote]

    I think the american gov’t. should send ’em back here. And give them an escort of two army batallions and 5 fighter squadrons to get the attention of the entire world and make certain that THE TRUTH COMES OUT!

    What a bunch of lying, thieving, pricks.

  • bo

    Do you want to know what is even a bigger pity?
    There are actually brazilians, a couple come to mind from this site (costa&Abe), that when they read the above article they get pissed at brazilians like Jorge Nunes Olivera, who unequivocably knows what the fuck he’s talking about concerning air safety in brazil, but since it’s not flattering to brazil and makes brazil appear to be responsible, they’re thinking….”that fucking traitor, fuck off and die Jorge” Instead of thanking god that there are a handful of brazilians that have the balls to say the truth and hopefully improve air traffic safety for ALL OF US so we’re not the next one to die because of the incompetence and corruption of the brazilian government!

  • bo

    Those denials infuriate Enrique PiÀƒ±eyro, whose 2006 documentary, “Air Force, Incorporated,” detailed numerous flaws in Argentina’s air traffic control system. One day after the documentary hit theaters here, President NÀƒ©stor Kirchner announced that he would replace military oversight of air traffic with civilian control. The switchover still hasn’t happened, though officials promise it will in the coming months.

    [b]”The Ministry of Defense says everything is fine, but, in reality, it’s all in a state of collapse,” said PiÀƒ±eyro, a former pilot who has worked with controllers in Argentina to document the recent close calls. “The government’s response is psychotic — they say the near misses didn’t happen. But we have clear evidence — we have the recordings that prove it. They are just issuing flat denials without any evidence.”[/b] (Sound familiar….the water!)

    Brazil’s air traffic control system also remains in military hands, though some critics are demanding a switch to civilian control, and Congress this week began selecting members for a panel that will investigate the country’s aviation sector.

    According to air traffic controllers unions in Brazil, the military has not responded quickly enough to make infrastructure improvements. [b]Brasilia’s airport has been closed twice in recent months because of radio failure, and Sao Paulo’s Congonhas airport — the busiest domestic airport in the country — has closed an average of three times a month since December, mostly because of heavy rains. Earlier this year, prosecutors tried to close the main runway there, saying it was unsafe during wet weather and needed immediate improvements.[/b]

    The [b]Brazilian government has promised a cash infusion[/b] aimed at expanding airport capacity and has announced [b]it will hire more than 400 air traffic controllers by the end of the year.[/b]

    But [b]JORGE NUNES OLIVEIRA, PRESIDENT OF THE ASSOCIATION OF AIR TRAFFIC CONTROLLERS OF RIO DE JANEIRO, said this week that twice that many controllers need to be added[/b] to the 2,000 to 2,500 that are currently employed nationwide.

    [b]”We are still working with some obsolete equipment, and we don’t have the number of professionals we need,” Oliveira said. “We have four control centers around Brazil that are responsible for the whole country. They should launch a deep study of that and consider sub-dividing those.”

    HE ADDED: “I ALWAYS USED TO SAY THAT, DESPITE EVERYTHING, BRAZIL’S AIR TRAFFIC WAS SAFE. BUT I DON’T THINK THAT ANYMORE.”[/b]

    Even so, pilots organizations have not gone so far as to discourage their members from flying in both countries.

    Jorge PÀƒ©rez Tamayo, a pilot for Aerolineas Argentina and president of the country’s Airline Pilots Association, said that pilots have been extra vigilant in recent months to try to make up for “a serious lack of investment by the government.”

    “The day we see that we have crossed the line and it is no longer safe, that is the day that no pilot will fly in Argentina,” he said.

  • bo

    It must be the water in South America!
    This is all part of a bigger corruption scandal. The can’t put the brunt of the blame on the ATC’s here in brazil, where it rightfully belongs, since there have been reports that only a small percentage of the budgets for air traffic here in brazil were actually spent on air traffic!! Yet another corruption scandal in the making!! Wow!! What a surprise!!

    Here’s an article from the Washington Post just weeks ago:

    [b]Brazil, Argentina Faulted on Air Safety
    Pilots, Controllers Say Equipment, Staffing Issues Could Be Putting Passengers at Risk[/b]

    By Monte Reel
    Washington Post Foreign Service
    Sunday, May 20, 2007; A18

    BUENOS AIRES, May 19 — Pilots and air traffic controllers have warned that shoddy safety systems could be putting passengers at risk in South America’s two largest countries, prompting an international outcry for rapid overhauls of the organizations that manage air transit in Argentina and Brazil.

    [b]Increased air traffic at major airports in both countries has not resulted in corresponding upgrades of infrastructure or additional staffing, according to organizations representing thousands of pilots and air traffic controllers worldwide.[/b] The result, they say, is confusion above some of the region’s most visited cities.

    In Buenos Aires, for example, the only certified, long-range radar in Argentina was struck by lightning March 1 and has not been replaced, forcing air traffic controllers to manually guide aircraft — a task some controllers say they have not been adequately trained to handle. Five “near misses” have occurred since the radar outage, according to Argentina’s Airline Pilots Association.

    Brazil’s air traffic systems have been under scrutiny since a commercial airliner collided with a private plane over the Amazon rain forest last fall, killing all 154 aboard the airliner. [b]Earlier this year, the Washington-based International Airline Pilots Association cautioned pilots to take special care when flying in Brazil, citing a “lack of proper governmental oversight and control” of air traffic.[/b] Since then, [b]Brazil’s air traffic controllers have instituted several work slowdowns to protest staffing shortages[/b] in a country where domestic air traffic has increased by 49 percent in the past five years, according to the country’s airport authority.

    The tone of the recent flurry of warnings by aviation groups has been unusually strident, according to air safety experts.

    [b]”I cannot recall — at least in recent memory — alerts that have been as pointed as the these concerning Argentina and Brazil,” said William Voss, president of the Arlington-based Flight Safety Foundation and former head of navigation safety for the International Civil Aviation Organization.[/b]

    [b]Argentina’s radar problem has provoked the loudest calls for action.[/b] Although manually guiding aircraft landings is still standard procedure in many parts of the world — including large parts of Russia and China — it is less common in major urban centers. It also requires staff to be specially trained and the rate of air traffic to be reduced, said Marc Baumgartner, president of the International Federation of Air Traffic Controllers’ Associations.

    [b]Asking controllers to abruptly switch from radar-guided direction to manual methods without properly training them is, he said, “like asking the check-in agent to fly the aircraft.”[/b]

    “The controllers are overwhelmed by the task,” said Baumgartner, who is based in Geneva. “What they are doing is asking aircraft to turn 100 miles before the landing and wait there at altitudes of 10 kilometers [6.2 miles], which is absolutely unknown in aviation. If it continues like this, we fear there will be a serious accident.”

    Argentina’s Ministry of Defense, which oversees all air traffic control, continues to play down such fears. Defense Minister Nilda GarrÀƒ© said Thursday that Spain plans to lend a radar system to Argentina until it installs a permanent replacement later this year.

    The government has also questioned whether some of the five close calls reported by local pilots in the past two months actually happened. One union representing pilots from the Argentine airline Austral also has suggested that some of the incidents had been exaggerated and that the planes were not close to colliding.

  • bo

    I love it!!
    Simply because it shows the WORLD how blatently corrupt and predjudiced this country truly is!!! This is a shame, it is a tragedy! This country is full of THIEVES that would steal christ off the cross and come back for the nails! They are INCAPABLE of telling the TRUTH! I’ve [b]ALWAYS[/b] said, they need to change “Ordem e progresso” on the brazilian flag to “NÀƒ£o foi eu!”

    I have NEVER seen a country where people REFUSE to apologize and NO ONE is ever responsible for anything! Brazilians….a shame to humanity!

    And hate to lump you all together like this, but the majority are either directly guilty or guilty by association!! When terrible, outrageous situations like this happen, and EVERYONE knows that it’s a pile of horseshit, everyone just remains silent. As a current article on this site states, Brazilians organize and rally for football, carnaval, and/or to protest George Bush or the USA, but certainly never the injustices that are practices by the hundreds on a daily basis!

  • forest Brown

    ATC POLITS SYSTEM FAILUER
    it is a different tail ever day
    GO TO BUY 30 NEW BOING AIRCRAFT
    if the congress wanted they would place a no buy on the boing aircraft to force the US to
    send the polits back but that would be the larges dog and pony show sence the OJ trail and we all know how that came out

    in fact all reltives of the persons killed in the crash is sueing in the US not in brasil
    as a dead person is worth more in the US than in brasil where life is so cheep

    congress should charge itself for murder for all the killing done in there name

  • Gringo Dingo

    Some thing is rotten in Denmark? No, that stench comes from a larger land mass!
    Costa-baby, you knuckle dragging glue sniffing ball juggler; itÀ¢€™s quite possible that NASA has invented some giszmo to do something quite extraordinary this week, unlike your sugar cane pickers that invent nothing but stories of first world imperialism, and your politicians that invent nothing but excuses, but heck, weÀ‚´ve come to expect little else from you folks.

    You and your ilk are simply out of your league, and hence need the ole sacrificial À¢€œletÀ‚´s hang-the-bogey-manÀ¢€Â public witch hunts to feel better about your pathetic existences. Sure, letÀ¢€™s come right out and say– contrary to all the facts–that the Americans should be À¢€œchargedÀ¢€Â during this CPI (a BURROcractic invent designed to soley to feign public interest in events while lining the pockets of the already wealthy). Why not? It will be translated on Globo into À¢€œAmericans are the only guiltyÀ¢€Â which will be enough to rally the 189,000,000 cachaÀƒ§a suppositories that donÀ¢€™t read into a frenzy. But for the one million who actually do have functioning synapses and can read, theyÀ¢€™ll pick up Veja and see theyÀ¢€™ve been bamboozled (international ATC is calling Brazil’s skies UNSAFE!): AGAIN. Although reading the Brazilian weeklies from Miami doesnÀ¢€™t really count, now does it?

    Face it Costinha, blaming the pilots for the problems of the ATC is just a political ploy to ease air traffic for Pan, and to take attention off the rest of the countries pathetic woesÀ¢€¦ which are, in no particular order: Violence, Corruption, Stupidity, Illiteracy, Poverty, Stupidity, Nepotism, Coronelism, Stupidity, Poor infrastructure, stupidity, being Brazilian and Stupidity.
    [quote]
    Hey Gringo Dingo. Dito!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!. Wonder what Joe Sharkey will have to say about this ? Joe, where are you!!![/quote]

    HeÀ‚´s got a new site, and is actively persuing this story again! I reckon heÀ‚´s working on a book. Lula will, of course, call for a fatwa! :-/

  • madre deus

    ditto
    That the pilots turned off the transponder is patently false. The NTSB report, among others, determined that the transponder was malfunctioning and intermittent, turning itself off.

    The Congress reaches an indictment here, but not in any of the cases of fraud, graft, collusion with any of its own membership.

    Some thing is rotten in Denmark and it is the smell of Congressional red herrings rotting in the equatorial sun.

  • C.ostinha

    GRingo Dingo
    You said “ATCs knew for 50 minutes that the transponder was not functioning but neglected to get into contact with the Legacy”

    Distorted Lie…. ATC tried on many occasions to contact the Embraer Jet, to no avail. The american cowboys once again acting like freaking John Wayne….. Bastards! Those american pilots belong in jail for murder….

    As to you “GRingo Dingo” a.sshole… The stealthing technology used to hide your brain from all attacks of reason is impressive. Is NASA designing advanced retards now?

  • doggydaddy

    Ditto
    Hey Gringo Dingo. Dito!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!. Wonder what Joe Sharkey will have to say about this ? Joe, where are you!!!

  • GRingo Dingo

    When ever I gain an onze of respect for this nation, I later end up loosing a pound
    Can this nation slide anything further down the idiot scale?

    For Christ sakes Brazil, grow up already will ya! ATCs knew for 50 minutes that the transponder was not functioning but neglected to get into contact with the Legacy; ATCs ASSIGNED the two crafts to collide; it was the ATCs that lied and later feigned illness so as NOT testify during the inquiry and finally if the ATCs were AMERICAN theyˢ۪d already be hanging from coconut trees in Rio. As it happens, theyˢ۪re Brazilian, they FUCKED UP BIG TIME, however Americans were involved and so politically itˢ۪s much easier to scapegoat those dang IMPERIALISTS.

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