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To US Medvedev's Short Tour of Brazil and LatAm Spells Heartburn PDF Print E-mail
Written by Alex Sánchez   
Wednesday, 19 November 2008 21:09

Russian president Dmitry MedvedevAfter attending the Asia-Pacific Economic Cooperation (APEC) summit in Lima on November 21-22, Russian president Dmitry Medvedev will embark on a short regional tour, where he will meet the leaders of Brazil, Venezuela and Cuba, for which Moscow is intensely motivated for different reasons.

The selection of the countries that the Russian leader will visit is not as surprising as those not included in his itinerary. Nevertheless, each country - even host nation Peru - is to some degree an ally of Russia, and a visit by Medvedev will keep the Russian flag flying high in the region.

All countries that will be visited by the Russian leader, with the exception of Peru, are currently experiencing somewhat strained relations with Washington, and are advocates of a less dominant American role in the integration of the Western Hemisphere.

Even if no particular agreement is reached with the countries Medvedev is to visit the tour should serve as a reminder to the Bush White House, as well as incoming President Barack Obama, that Russia has not forgotten Latin America, and is now beginning to consider it Moscow's backyard, just as Washington has regarded the Caucasus as its own fiefdom.

The meeting could also result in a new Venezuelan weapons purchase as Medvedev is scheduled to extend the US$ 355 million credit to Havana. Both the U.S. and Russia know that Washington is a wounded regional player and could be surpassed by the Kremlin, unless the former is proposed to constructively engage in a respectful and well-meaning policy to the rest of the hemisphere.

APEC: What Can Be Expected?

The APEC summit follows upon last week's G-20 meeting, where the major point of discussion was the ongoing world financial crisis. In a telegram sent to Peruvian President Alan Garcia to confirm his attendance, Medvedev wrote that he hoped that the APEC participants "will have a constructive dialogue on the wide range of measures aimed at sustained development of the Asia-Pacific region."

The Russian leader went on to say that "one of the key aspects in this respect is the search for best solutions for such urgent problems as the prices for food and energy resources, the climate change."

Apart from his APEC meeting commitments, Medvedev will look forward to personal meetings with fellow leaders in attendance. For example, Kyodo reported that a bilateral meeting will take place between Japanese Prime Minister Taro Aso and Medvedev during the summit. RIA Novosti has mentioned that Medvedev will also meet with Chinese President Hu Jintao.

The Kremlin leader may also decide to indicate that Moscow is soliciting Russian membership in the World Trade Organization as well as push for greater Russian integration into the APEC economic region. This could be interpreted as part of a continuing initiative in which Moscow will invite the economies of Latin America and the Pacific toward closer ties with Russia as a possible major trading partner.

According to a report by RIA Novosti, trade between Russia and Latin America has exhibited an annual growth rate of 25-30% over the past few years, and is expected to hit a record of $15 billion in 2008.

Brazil: A Rising Star

After the APEC meeting, Medvedev will go on to visit Brazil, which is in itself hardly startling. During the Vladimir Putin years, Russia courted Brazil and attempted to strengthen ties with the South American giant by dispatching Russian cabinet ministers to visit the country. For example, Russian Security Council secretary, Nikolai Patruchev, has been quoted by the Russian news agency Pravda as observing that "Brazil is the leader of Latin America and because of that we are interested in creating a strategic relationship."

Agreements between both countries range from commerce to education, military, and space cooperation. Nevertheless, Russia is seeking greater influence in Brazil along with a number of other countries such as France, China, South Africa, as well as India.

Venezuela: Petrodollars-r-Us

Meetings between high level Russian officials and representatives in Venezuela are nothing new. Venezuelan leader Hugo Chavez has visited Russia over half a dozen times since taking power. Meetings by the leaders of both countries often result in a purchase of Russian military equipment in exchange for Venezuelan petro-dollars.

The Russian visit comes on the heels of the visit of two Russian Tu-16 medium-range bombers to Venezuela this past summer. The Russians have also dispatched elements of its fleet led by the guided-missile cruiser Peter the Great to do a port visit as well as carry out war games with their Venezuelan counterparts in the Caribbean.

This has raised some Cold War-era alarms in Washington, as it is the first time since the end of the Cold War that the Russian military enters the Western Hemisphere. In mid-October, the Russian news agency Kommersant mentioned that Russian and Venezuelan officials were discussing the Venezuelan purchase of Russian BMP-3 armored vehicles; Medvedev and Chavez are expected to sign the contract during the Russian leader's upcoming visit.

In addition Russia is building a Kalishnikov-assault rifle factory on Venezuelan soil, as well a complimentary one nearby to manufacture the rifles' ammunition. Russian Foreign Minister Sergei Lavrov has declared that "the weaponry we supply (to Latin America) is not offensive (...) these are purely defensive means in their technical specifications."

Lavrov is scheduled to meet with conservative Colombian president Alvaro Uribe and foreign minister Jaime Bermudez to discuss possible Russian investment in Colombia. In an attempt to offset Venezuela's ties to Russia, Colombia has increased its high-level contacts with Moscow this past year. Colombian vice president Francisco Santos traveled to Russia in June to attend the St. Petersburg Economic Forum, and defense minister Juan Manuel Santos attended an Interpol summit held in Moscow in October.

Though Colombia is not an APEC member, Uribe's government has displayed an increasing interest in generating closer economic links with Russia, fearing that it is courting political isolation by having the outgoing Bush administration being one of its few close friends.

Cuba: The Forgotten Ally

Russian-Cuban relations will always be compared to their standing during the height of the Cold War, when the Caribbean island was the Soviet Union's strongest ally in the Western Hemisphere. The relationship decayed after the dissolution of the USSR. Even after Putin met with Fidel Castro in Cuba in 2000, the resulting rapport did not come close to what it once was.

The meeting will bring together Medvedev and Fidel's brother, Raul Castro. It is unclear what the delegations will discuss, though they will probably focus on ways to promote greater cooperation. Early in November, Moscow approved a state loan to Cuba for US$ 355 million. The loan's provisions required that it had to be used to purchase Russian goods and services.

In an interview, Wayne Smith, former head of the U.S. interests section in Havana and the director of the Cuba Program at the Center for International Policy, explained "I don't foresee anything major coming out of this meeting, Russia's interest seems to be centered around Venezuela these days." Smith went on to mention that "a Russian military delegation visited Havana some months ago, and there was speculation about growing military cooperation between both countries but nothing came out of it."

The former U.S. diplomat mentioned that when military exercises between Russia and Venezuela take place Cuba is invited to participate, "that would be extremely interesting." Indeed, such a scenario may add more fuel to the fire of Bush administration officials who promoted the restoration of the Fourth Fleet which had been dismantled in 1950, for the purpose of patrolling Latin American waters when it came to providing medical and humanitarian services, as well as project U.S. power in the Western Hemisphere.

The Other Side of the Coin

The countries Medvedev chose to visit provide some indication of Russian foreign policy priorities when it comes to the Western Hemisphere. For example, Argentina, which at one point was considered an important regional power and to this day has strong commercial ties with Russia, has been largely ignored.

In 2006, there were reports that Russia was attempting to sell military equipment to Argentina; however, nothing materialized. Such rumors have resurfaced again in early November 2008, when a report in the ITAR-TASS Russian state news agency quoted the director of the Federal Service for Military-Technical Cooperation, Mikhail Dmitriyev, as saying that there is a growing trend of military technical cooperation between Russia and Argentina.

The article mentions concrete plans for cooperation, including radar stations and a "helicopter program, including supplies and setting up of centers for servicing helicopter hardware, possibly, not only in Argentina but also at a regional scale." However, even this possibility for greater cooperation with Argentina is not enough to compel the Russian leader stop over even briefly in the Argentine capital.

Likewise Nicaragua, under the leadership of Daniel Ortega, Moscow's ally during the Cold War, is being overlooked. Ortega could use some international support, particularly after the controversial results of recent municipal elections, in which the ruling Sandinista party was judged the winner in a close vote. The elections were held almost without international observers and there have been widespread accusations of electoral fraud.

The civic group Ethics and Transparency said it had recorded irregularities in 32 percent of the polling places it monitored. An AP report quotes State Department deputy spokesman Robert Wood as saying "unfortunately, the (Nicaraguan) Supreme Electoral Council's decision to not accredit credible domestic and international election observers has made it difficult to (...) properly assess the outcome of the elections."

Furthermore, Washington is not amused as Nicaragua has been, so far, the only country (besides Russia) to recognize the independence of Georgia's breakaway republics, South Ossetia and Abkhazia. This past summer, Russia made a military incursion into Georgia and subsequently, to Washington's anger, recognized both breakaway regions as independent states.

Nevertheless, a RIA Novosti article briefly mentions that the leaders of both of the aforementioned countries, Argentina's Cristina de Kirchner and Nicaragua's Ortega, as well as Uruguay's Tabare Vazquez, are expected to visit Moscow in the coming months.

One should note that Peru itself would not have been on Medvedev's agenda if it had not been the organizer of the APEC 2008 summit. Lima and Moscow maintained good defense relations during the Soviet era, including major purchases of Soviet warplanes and tanks during that period.

In mid-October, Mercopress published a report that Chile is continuing with its aggressive acquisition policy by purchasing F-16 warplanes from Holland, as well as from the U.S. The report explains that "when all (plans) are delivered Chile's Air Force will have 44 F16, probably the strongest and most modern in the continent (with the probable exception of Venezuela)."

When one contemplates Chilean modernization initiatives, its historically antagonistic relations with Peru come to mind. Peru's largely hardware is mostly Russian or Soviet-made, including Sukhoi and MiG warplanes, as well as Mi-type helicopters. President Garcia may attempt to arrange a personal meeting with Medvedev to discuss bilateral defense issues and the possible agreements for upgrades of Russian military equipment.

A senior Peruvian army official explained that "Russia may not see Peru as a critical ally, but the Peruvian military certainly regards Russian military equipment as critical to its national defense (...) the Garcia administration must safeguard this strategic relationship."

Conclusions

Medvedev's abbreviated Latin America tour provides an idea of the key countries that Russian strategic policy sees as being key to its national interests. Since a number of Latin American governments in power are determined to withdraw from any form of dependence on Washington, the Russian leader is likely to seize the opportunity and further develop alliances with nations in the region, other than Brazil and Venezuela.

The incoming Obama administration soon will have to begin assessing its ties to various Latin American nations and the nature of its ties with the region. Policy decisions such as the ongoing and largely ineffective Cuban embargo, and a confrontational stance toward Venezuela (illustrated by the re-establishment of the Fourth Fleet) are likely to be revisited by the new administration and could be rejected. Medvedev's present round of calls, as well as a growing presence by extra-hemispheric actors like the European Union, China, India and Iran, demonstrate that the region is open to new relationships outside of the hemisphere and is getting noticed.

This analysis was prepared by COHA Research Fellow Alex Sánchez. The Council on Hemispheric Affairs (COHA) - www.coha.org - is a think tank established in 1975 to discuss and promote inter-American relationship. Email: This e-mail address is being protected from spambots. You need JavaScript enabled to view it .

Comments (85)Add Comment
best solutions for such urgent problems as the prices for food and energy resources
written by ch.c., November 19, 2008
Too high.....or too low ????
To have them more affordable prices should go lower.
To have them less affordable prices should go higher.

And everyone thought that when prices were high, the developed nations were the ones responsbile despite most of the demand increase was from emerging nations importers.
Better yet, Russia banned their wheat exports, Brazil banned their rice exports, close the TOP OF THE GRAINS BUBBLE, because of course prices were still not high enough.
Therefore non availability and extra high prices to food importing emerging countries did not bothered the apparent good guys in Russia or
Brazil.
Cornering the market on the upside was the dream of those pretending defending the poorest citizens on earth.
Neither Russia nor Brazil cared about OIL AND FOOD NON AFFORDABILTY IN THESE POORESTS COUNTRIES !
Be proud...be proud !

Nevertheless...Youuuuuu WERE CORNERED AT YOUR OWN TRICKY GAME !

YOU LIED AND CHEATED...NOW TIME IS TO PAY THE BILL, A HEAVY BILL YOU HAVE NO IDEA YET ! SHORTLY YOU WILL HAVE A KNEE DOWN...MAY BE TWO !!!!

THE IMF DOORS ARE OPEN.....WAITING FOR THE NEXT BEGGARS WHATEVER THEIR NAMES ARE !
best solutions - ch.c.
written by sage, November 20, 2008
among the next beggers to the imf may very well be switzerland. the country's vaunted banking system may be about to collapse - resident secretive hedge funds going bust, massive exposure to central & eastern europe via. austria, etc. etc.

as i have mentioned b4, on rare occasions, ch.c may have some good thoughts, but for the most part, it's tunnel vision grapes are sour thinking.
To the junkie-----SAGE !!!!!
written by ch.c., November 20, 2008
Coming from an idiot & ignorant like you nothing could be surprising !

It remains that :

- our currency is strong against the Euro and BP and even stronger against ALL the emerging nations currencies......despite our far lower interests rate.
I bet you did not know, otherwise you would not have made your comments.

- Our current account surplus (that include the trade balance) is the World Highest being at around 15 % of our GDP, while Brazil current account is actually at its HISTORICAL RECORD.....DEFICIT !
I bet you did not know, otherwise you would not have made your comments.

- OUR banking system is far stronger that idiots & ignorants like you could even think of. Our banks minimum capital requirements is far higher than BIS recommendations.
I bet you did not know, otherwise you would not have made your comments.

- We did not LOWERED our banks minimum capital requirements contrary to Brazil that has lowered them 4 times in only 2 months.
I bet you did not know, otherwise you would not have made your comments.

- Last but not least, on hedge funds : most hedge funds are NOT in Switzerland....but but...but in the UK and the USA. Proof that you dont even know that you are talking about !


But...but...but....coming from idiots & ignorants like you...what else could be expected ?????????
I even bet that by now you dont know yet how idiot YOU ARE ! Do you ?


Ohhhhh....and to my knowledge it is in the USA, UK, Germany AND BRAZIL
where there are banks mergers and Government seizures or forced mergers.
Guess why...if you can...idiot & ignorant. Doutful coming from idiots.

NOT ONE BANK YET IN SWITZERLAND has been government seized or had a a merger, despite we have 330 banks if you did not know.
Could we have one or more in the future ? May be ! but that still we be FAR LESS than the countries stated above.

Dear junkie SAGE, may I suggest that you review YOUR imagination and come back down to earth and reality or with proven arguments or more detailed analysis ????
Mental masturbation is not good for your health.

No doubt that you too got a SP Univeristy degree certificate....found at the purchase of 6 rolls of toilet papers !
Or like petty thieves, you just stole the certificate, because you could not put the 6 rolls of toilet papers under your Brazilian cap !

Just look at the cross rates currencies....strength and weaknesses, and it will always tell someone what the underlying fundamentals are !
I bet you dont even know what cross rates currencies are.

Therefore....doubtful you can or could do that....in view of your baseless and worthless comments !
BUT AGAIN....what else to expect from junkies and idiots like you ?

Anyway,enjoy and welcome aboard the forum !
Keep me entertaining.....its real fun !

Ohhhhhh and I bet you did not know that my country DID NOT NEEDED the US$ 30 Billion that the Fed lent to Brazil and 3 other countries.
Sign of strength...or weakness in Brazil ?????
Welll just look at the currencies cross rates....if you can !!!!!

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Who cares about Switzerland - an irrelevant country in world affairs
written by Ricardo C. Amaral, November 21, 2008
Switzerland is an irrelevant country in world affairs.

When you think about Switzerland the first thing that comes to mind is:
RICOLA.


to the junkie ch.c.
written by sage, November 21, 2008
your current account surplus is based on a gigantic global money laundering & tax dodging scheme. your currency strength is a temporary phenomenon based on the deleveraging of the global carry trade - similar temporary strength noted in the U$ & JY. all that dirty money residing in swiss banks allows for low interest rates.

it's funny, but today the strongest 'swiss' bank is bnp paribas (french). switzerland is at the edge of a financial abyss, dont kid yourself.

your large multinationals are essentially 'holding' companies that depend on most of their revenue & profit from large global markets such as brazil, usa, china, etc. a good example is logitech, which makes all it's products in china.

brazil really got on the development track after ww2, kick started by gutelio vargas. switzerland (a very small country - both in land area & population) got on it's development track in the early 19th century. today most of your key industries have been eclipsed by japanese, chinese, korean, german etc. players.

it appears that you are an unemployed/unemployable person w/ a chip on his shoulder, a bitter, mean, nasty a*****e, w/ no friends, who spends all his waking hours expressing himself in this blog. the good news in all of this is that it keeps you off the streets.
Alex Sanchez
written by João da Silva, November 21, 2008
Would appreciate your comment on the latest news in the following link:

http://www.estadao.com.br/inte...1396,0.htm

What does COHA think about the Russians´ latest "Divide and Rule" policy in Latin America ? Putin and Medvedev are very happy to be "palling" around with Chavez, supplying him with armaments. Mr.Morales and Mr.Correa are getting nasty with us. Mr. Morales even sends his armed forces across the border into Acre to harass his opponents who fled Bolivia ans set up refugee camps.

Your comments will highly be appreciated.

...
written by ch.c., November 21, 2008
So true :
- 25 times more exports and imports per capita than Brazil !
- the World strongest currency since 1971
- Ranked usually within the World Best 10 in the many many differents rankings
- A market capitalization greater than the giant Brazil, and this even at the top of the BOVESPA, despite a population 25 times smaller than the giant Brazil.
- Control 10 % of all the world money...with a population of 0,1 % of the world population
- Manages 28 % of all the world private wealth money
- the country with the world most International Agencies Headquarters
(why havent they chosen SP or Rio or Brasilia...in your view...dear idiot RC ?)
- World acclaimed Hospitaly schools
- despite 0 meters of beach and overall bad climate....more foreign tourism revenue than Brazil with their 7000 kms of beaches and favorable climate.
- World largest food Company
- World largest bottled water Company
- World largest packaged coffees Company
- World largest spinning textile machinery
- World largest Re-insurance Company
- World largest Eyes care Company
- 5 World standard large drugmakers
- World largest watches makers
- World largest Ice Tea Company
- World second largest SEEDS Company
- World most patents on a per capita basis
- 5 Universities ranked within the 200 World best (Brazil 1, ranked 196th)
- World best school for getting a Masters degree
- World highest or second highest current account SURPLUS based upon percentage of GDP !


And RC, tell us now a little bit about Brazil the World Greatest Mud !
Looking at TV Globo Brazilians love head caps. They are all over the place, you wear them outside or inside houses, schools, building.

Do you wear them off...while sleeping ??????

continued for Ricardo the Elite Trader Brazilian Junkie !
written by ch.c., November 21, 2008

Switzerland
- 100 % paved roads, (Brazil 5 %)
- and..... ZERO toll roads fees
- As many passengers traffic in our Zurich and Geneva airports as your
SP and Rio main airports !

I could continue the list for a long while...if you like !

With a big smile let me add,ALSO World famous Swiss Army knives and Cuckoo clocks. FOREIGNERS JUST LOVE LOVE LOVE THEM !

If I was a Brazilian entrepreneur I would create BOPPE knives !
With a good marketing and high quality knives, SUCCESS GUARANTEED WORLWIDE !
With royalties paid to BOPPE from gross sales, for long exclusive rights...of course !

Sadly, brazilians are not clever enough !

Just think about it !
Free of charge...my Eureka ! smiiiiiles
Re: Joao da Silva's inquiry
written by Alex Sanchez - Council on Hemispheric Affairs, November 21, 2008
Joao,
Always a pleasure to contribute.

To respond to your inquiry I will say:
For starters, it is always difficult to pinpoint exactly when a situation is part of a greater power’s “divide and conquer” policy. As Latinamericans we know of this strategy as this was used on us by European (and American) powers in times-not-so-distant.

Having said that, I fail to see how Russia is dividing South America, anymore than it already is. Regarding the Ecuador issue, and I assume you mean the BNDS incident and subsequent recall of the Brazilian ambassador from Quito, I will agree that there is some overlap between this and Russian minister Lavrov’s visit. But, still, what does Russia have to gain by dividing Latin (or I should say South) America?

The Bolivian scenario is abit more complicated but at the same time abit clearer. I honestly do not believe that Morales’ decisions have much to do with foreign influence. The guy is having a hard enough time just keeping his country in one piece to be involved in Great Game events. You remember that not long ago, during the recent protests, Bolivian officials were accusing the U.S. of promoting violence in the country that was aimed to topple Morales. Then came the accusations that Brazilian and Peruvian hitmen had been hired to promoted violence in anti-Morales protests. As a Peruvian, I know the government in Lima found this particularly offensive.

I do believe Brazil’s relations with a number of its neighbors (should I include Paraguay in this?) has gone sour, but I am not sure if there is a greater conspiracy at play, particularly one coming from Moscow. If anything, Moscow probably would want to create a common anti-Washington front among South American states, as this would benefit its long-term interests more.

I will paste an article in the next posting which may be of everyone’s interest. The Jamestown Foundation is a fairly well recognized organization in Washington DC, as it focuses on Euroasian affairs, centering on Russian and Chinese affairs. They are a bit on the conservative side, but I do think the quality of their reporters/analysts makes them worthy of respect.

It is my belief that Russia certainly is looking for allies and client-states in South America, and its main prospects are Venezuela and Brazil. I don’t think Moscow would want to alienate its relationship with Brazil by promoting some kind of two-edge policy.

Medvedev is going to visit Brazil in the coming days, and his minister Lavrov visited Colombian recently. I see these visits as a way to say that Russia considers both countries as allies and friends and that Venezuela will not attack them, arms sales and military exercises with the Venezuelan military notwithstanding.

My one major critique (and I do believe major weapon sales to Venezuela is reckless as it promotes a regional arms race) is that Russia will construct a Kalashnikov assault rifle factory, and another for its ammo, in Venezuelan territory. There are plenty of regional actors who would like to get their hands in such weapons, from Colombia’s FARC and ELN, Peru’s Shining Path, Mexican Colombian and Brazilian drug cartels, violent political groups, criminal gangs to common criminals. If anything the weapon sales and other military agreements exemplify the traditional and non-surprising recklessness and lack of common sense by Russian officials about the effects of major weapon sales to a region like South America. Russians want petro-dollars, Venezuelans want Russian weaponry, it should be a win-situation, except for everyone else who will loose due to this transaction.

Finally, and as a way to demonstrate that yes this is the author of the article published above, I’ll say my next article is an analysis of the Argentine military, which I hope will be done and published in the next 2 weeks, after Thanksgiving. I doubt it will be published in this portal as I doubt I will discuss Brazil much on it (besides historical animosities and recent joint military exercises) so I invite you all to visit www.coha.org for its eventual publication.

Peace,
Alex Sanchez
Research Fellow
Council on Hemispheric Affairs
Re: Joao da Silva's inquiry - addendum, article on Russian-Brazilian military relations
written by Alex Sanchez - Council on Hemispheric Affairs, November 21, 2008
Euroasia Daily Monitor – Jamestown Foundation
November 21, 2008 — Volume 5, Issue 224
www.jamestown.org/

Brazilian and Russian Military Cooperation Deepens

According to Russia's Economic Development Ministry, Russia is negotiating to supply helicopters to the Forca Aerea Brasileira (Brazilian Air Force, or FAB). The Ministry noted in a statement, "In order to promote Russian helicopters, the Mi-171A helicopter has completed, and the Ka-32A helicopter is currently going through, the certification procedure in Brazil" (Interfaks-Agentstvo Voyennykh Novostei, November 19).

The FAB is the largest air force in Latin America, operating 729 aircraft, including 165 fighters and 90 helicopters (www.fab.mil.br/portal/capa/index.php). The FAB does not currently operate a single Russian-built aircraft, though last year it considered the Sukhoi Su-35 fighter for its Project FX-2 fighter upgrade replacement program.

What is notable about the FAB's aerial fleet is that Brazil's growing aeronautical industry is responsible for an increasing share of its planes, as 479 FAB aircraft, nearly 66 percent of the total, were manufactured or assembled in Brazil; they included 107 combat aircraft (65 percent) and 35 helicopters (38 percent). Just over half of the FAB helicopter fleet is American-made and consists of 43 Bell UH-1 Iroquois and three Bell 206 JetRangers. FAB also operates 10 Eurocopter AS-332 Cougars.
Re: Joao da Silva's inquiry - addendum, article on Russian-Brazilian military relations 2
written by Alex Sanchez - Council on Hemispheric Affairs, November 21, 2008

It is the remainder of the FAB helicopter fleet, however, that provides the rationale behind FAB's interest in Russia's offerings. FAB operates 25 Helibras HB-350Bs and three Helibras HB-355s, all constructed by a consortium of Brazil, France, Germany, and Spain. The Brazilian government has made it a high priority for any new military purchases to involve technology transfers, a process that Washington strongly resists.

On November 19 Brazil's Minister of Foreign Affairs Celso Amorim affirmed that the Brazilian government's purchase of Russian defense equipment would occur only if the transaction included the transfer of technology, saying that the Russian negotiators were well aware of the condition and that if it were not met, Brazil had to go elsewhere. Amorim said bluntly, "Brazil will not buy military equipment without a technology transfer, because the purchase is part of a political plan of national industrial and technological development” (Agencia Estado, November 19). Brasilia has consistently fostered its aircraft industry. Its best-known builder of civilian aircraft, Embraer (Empresa Brasileira de Aeronautica) has close ties to the FAB, which originally directly managed and sponsored the enterprise. Amorim added that the helicopter deal and the technology transfer would be a prime topic of conversation when Russian President Dmitry Medvedev visits Brazil from November 24 to 26.

In a further example of Brazil's growing martial confidence, the country is also conducting military exercises with its neighbors and on November 1 began Operation Cruzeiro do Sul IV (CRUZEX IV), the largest air-combat exercise in South America. Operating in conjunction with the FAB were air force elements from Argentina, France, Chile, Uruguay, and Venezuela (www.cruzex.aer.mil.br/). CRUZEX's motto was "A guerra e simulada. O treinamento, real" ("The war is simulated. The training, real.")

CRUZEX IV aircraft operated from Brazil's Natal Air Base (BANT) in Rio Grande do Norte state, but the aerial exercise also covered Brazil's northeastern states of Pernambuco, Para, and Ceara (Tribuno do Norte, November smilies/cool.gif. By the time the war games ended, the participants had flown 650 sorties. Even though Washington could only watch from afar, CRUZEX was hardly an anti-American exercise. While its "objectivos" were to "Train members of the Air Operations Command of the Brazilian Air Force (FAB) in planning joint operations with the Air Forces of friendly countries," they also included “Training the participants in the structure of the NATO Command and Control of Air Operations in planning, mounting, and conducting operations in a crisis and low-intensity conflicts” (www.cruzex.aer.mil.br/index.php?page=objetivos).

Brazil's interest in regional military exercises as well as in Russian weaponry and its attendant technology transfer indicates both the growing sophistication and independence of the country's military-industrial complex and Brasilia’s mounting anxieties about possible military threats, particularly to its recently discovered offshore oil and natural gas reserves.

In April the Pentagon announced the reestablishment of its Fourth Fleet under the Pentagon's Southern Command for operations in the Caribbean and southern Atlantic (The Miami Herald, April 25). The announcement led to speculation in the Brazilian press about whether the announcement was the harbinger of darker U.S. intentions to contest Brazilian offshore claims (Impressao Agencia Senado, August 5). Brazilian Democratic Movement Party (PMDB-RS) Senator Pedro Simon said during a press interview that the Brazilian legislature was concerned about the "coincidence" that following the discovery of oil off Brazil, the Fourth Fleet was reestablished after a 58 year hiatus, adding that the Comissao de Relacoes Exteriores e Defesa Nacional (Committee of Foreign Affairs and National Defense, CRE) was drafting a letter to be sent to U.S. presidential candidates Barack Obama and John McCain stating the legislature's opposition to Washington's new military deployment in South American waters (www.senado.gov.br/web/senador/...digo=44433).

Russia's interest in military sales to Brazil, while currently modest, has the potential to take advantage of Washington's policy missteps, from a reluctance to share military technology to deploying military operations in areas that historically have well-founded fears about American intentions.
—John C. K. Daly

Re: Joao da Silva's inquiry - addendum, article on Russian-Brazilian military relations 3
written by Alex Sanchez - Council on Hemispheric Affairs, November 21, 2008
please note the 2nd to last paragraph regarding a coincidence between the re-newed U.S. Fourth Fleet and the discovery of Brazilian oil deposits...

I must say I know nothing of "Brazilian Democratic Movement Party (PMDB-RS) Senator Pedro Simon" so if you Joao or anyone else could let me know how much "weight" I should give to his comments, I'd be most thankful.

Alex
Dear Idiot and Junkie...SAGE !!!!!
written by ch.c., November 22, 2008
YOU JUST PROVE ONCE MORE HOW IDIOT AND DUMBASS YOU ARE !

1)"but today the strongest 'swiss' bank is bnp paribas (french). switzerland is at the edge of a financial abyss, dont kid yourself."
- where did you hear that ! Paribas is much less than 500 employees all over Switzerland !!!!!! LAUGH....LAUGH.....

2) "your large multinationals are essentially 'holding' companies !"
- so wrong ! Nestlé, Roche, Novartis, Rolex, Swatch just to name a few within many others are NOT HOLDING companies. YOU DONT EVEN KNOW WHAT IS A HOLDING COMPANY.....AND YOU JUST PROVED IT !

3) "today most of your key industries have been eclipsed by japanese, chinese, korean, german etc. players."
- NOT SO SURE DUMBASS ! Just look at our TRADE EXPORTS...as large as the "gigantic" Brazil ! Same for imports ! In view of the population difference...we beat you by over 25 to 1 on the trade exports...per capita ! laugh....laugh....laugh

4)TAX DODGING ????
- WHY DONT YOU LOOK AT DELAWARE STATE---USA
- Why dont you look at the preferred banking capitaés for South Americam TAX EVADERS : MIAMI AND NEW YORK
- WHY DONT YOU LOOK AT ITAU BANK IN....THE BAHAMAS ??????? OF COURSE
they are there.
- why dont you look at COSAN HOLDING....registered in the Bermudes ?
Here you have a real holding as you stated !


- the SWISS FRANC.......SIMPLE OVER THE DECADES SINCE 1970
- THE US$ FELL BY 75 %
- THE BRL FELL BY 99,999999 % AGAINST THE US$

This is not TEMPORARY AS YOU DAID...DUMBASS ! THIS IS SECULAR !

Last but not least :
BRAZIL HAS THE WORLD HIGHEST INFLATION RATE...OVER THE LAST 40 OR 60 YEARS OR SO !
AVERAGE...... 400 PERCENT....ANNUALLY...for many decades !!!!!

Hip hip HURRAH, HIP HIP HURRAH FOR THE DUMBASS.....SAGE !


Ohhhhh....dear idiot....to my knowledge Nooooo country you stated taking market share from us....have a similar company as SYNGENTA !
NOT A HOLDING COMPANY....wether you like or not !
I just remind you that the foreign companies from developed nations
have 90 % market share of the Brazilian Seeds Market !!!!
Another prove that you are a junkie !

And Brazil is the only BRIC country to NOT HAVE THEIR OWN CARS MAKERS !
Fact is that BRAZIL IS LOSING MARKET SHARES...AGAINST ?RIC ?

Just another few facts on Brazil and other emerging nations
- Brazil has the lowest economic growth rate of the MERCOSUR for the last 5 years
- Brazil has one of the lowest economic growth rate of ALL South & Central America....including the Caribeans nations...for the last 5 years !
- Brazil has the lowest economic growth rate....by far....of the BRIC members...for the last 5 years !
- Brazil has one of the LOWEST economic growth rate of all emerging nations....ON EARTH....for the last 5 years !!!!!!

Enjoy and swim...in your juice mixture of TOTAL FAILURE !

YOU ARE TRAPPED LIKE A RAT...WITH YOUR FILTHY TRICKS !

FAR MORE IS TO COME....BY 2009.....ON THE BRAZILIAN CURRENCY DECLINE.
YOU HAVENT SEEN ANYTHING YET !
NEW HISTORICAL RECORD LOW IN SIGHT AGAINST THE APPARENT WORTHLESS U.S. DOLLAR....AS BRAZILIANS JUNKIES SANG UNTIL 6 MONTHS AGO !!!!!!

IS BRAZIL NOT NICKNAMED....BOOOOOOOOM AND BUUUUUST ECONOMY ?
Everytime during the Booooom times Brazil said...this time is different !
Everytime Brazil failed...MISERABLY !!!!

THIS TIME IS NOT MUCH DIFFERENT. THE BASIC DIFFERENCE COULD BE YOU WONT NECESSARILY TAKE OFF 3 ZEROES OUT OF YOUR CURRENCY AS YOU ALREADY
DID 4 TIMES !!!!!

BUT WHAT ABOUT ANYTHING BETWEEEN 3 OR 5 OR 7 BRL.....FOR 1 U.S. DOLLAR ????

TIME WILL TELL !


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dumbass ch.c
written by sage, November 22, 2008
lol, you silly swiss sucker, you really took the bait did'nt you, just like a fat tambaki fish. how did the worm taste? btw, are there fish in switzerland - enlighten me oh wise 1.

i'll keep feeding you the bait so you can keep doing your research, stay busy & off the streets!

here's today's homework:

nestle's & syngenta's biggest market is brazil, w/o it no syngenta or nestle in their current form.
it appears that countries w/ their 'own' car industries are in big pooh, pooh & require govt. bailouts. gm, ford & fiat could not exist w/o the brazilian market.
you need to enroll in a finance class at 1 of those 4 fine swiss universities, where they will attempt to teach you about secular trends.

work on this & next week i'll give you another assignment.
Alex Sanchez
written by João da Silva, November 23, 2008
Alex

Thanks for your enlightening clarifications on my query and they do make sense. Yes, we are already divided and I guess there is no need for any additional incentives from Medevedev ! This is one of the reasons, I have mentioned before that UNASUR will remain a dream for a long time.

I must say I know nothing of "Brazilian Democratic Movement Party (PMDB-RS) Senator Pedro Simon" so if you Joao or anyone else could let me know how much "weight" I should give to his comments, I'd be most thankful.


Senator Pedro Simon was a Governor of Rio Grande do Sul (the Southern most Brazilian state) and later elected as a Senator from that state.Our Minister of Defense is from there too though he is from another party. Since the Military gave up power in 1985, several governments that followed have been neglecting to invest in defense related industries that stimulate domestic research as well as bring in state of art foreign technologies do not know if you are aware that our Armed forces played an important role during our military government in building up infrastructure, modernizing the Telecoms, energy and mining sectors, etc; During that period, our growth rate was much higher and unemployment (or underemployment) rate lower than what it is now . In recent years, in spite of the upbeat talks about our economy by the government, well paid job opportunities for engineers, scientists and other technicians have diminished considerably. In order to revert this trend, what is the best way to do it? Revive our defense industries, strike a deal with anybody who is willing to transfer technology and finance the setting up of such industries.

My personal opinion is in order to do it, the politicians are bringing in the fear of the "IV Fleet", the need to protect our newly found oil fields building a Nuclear submarine. There is no need for them to justify reviving our military industries with such fear. The educated Brazilian middle class fully understands their objective, knowing full well the historic role our armed forces have played in stimulating education in Science and Technology and creating well paid jobs for those graduating from our educational institutions.

Coming back to Pedro Simon´s comment, I think that he is interested in bringing such industries with French or Russian collaboration (For that matter, from any country) to create thousands of direct and indirect jobs in his state. I dont think that he is worried about the IV fleet or the Spanish armada invading his beloved Rio Grande do Sul!. I don't blame him for fighting for the benefit of his state and wish we had such a senator in our state too.

As I said earlier, it is my personal opinion and it would be refreshing to hear the opinion of other Brazilian bloggers, especially from our better informed friends like Augustus and Ricardo Amaral .

Btw, thank you so much for referring me to other sites as well as clarifying my query.

Take care and have a great week. I shall be looking forward to reading your article about the Argentine military in two weeks time.

Alex Sanchez
written by João da Silva, November 23, 2008
Sorry Alex, a Correction to the following sentence:

Since the Military gave up power in 1985, several governments that followed have been neglecting to invest in defense related industries that stimulate domestic research as well as bring in state of art foreign technologies do not know if you are aware that our Armed forces played an important role during our military government in building up infrastructure, modernizing the Telecoms, energy and mining sectors, etc;


The sentence should be split and read as:

Since the Military gave up power in 1985, several governments that followed have been neglecting to invest in defense related industries that stimulate domestic research as well as bring in state of art foreign technologies.I do not know if you are aware that our Armed forces played an important role during our military government in building up infrastructure, modernizing the Telecoms, energy and mining sectors, etc;

I think now it makes more sense!



PART-1: Latin America: the Current Arena for Sino-Russian competition for Global Hegemony
written by Augustus, November 26, 2008
Because of the obvious decline of the United States of America, parallel to the British fall from prominence 100 years ago, there is a major power vacuum in several parts of the world, particularly Latin America which, neglected by the incompetent Bush administration, and shaken by an unprecedented economic decline – the bottom & scope of which has not been fully grasped and/or analyzed – it is not surprising the a re-surging Russia and an emerging China are paying so much attention in region (as well as Africa), with long term strategic plans; in the Latin American “game” while Moscow will play “the General”, Beijing is planning to be “the Investor.”

As such, I agree with the following statement by Alex Sanchez:
It is my belief that Russia certainly is looking for allies and client-states in South America, and its main prospects are Venezuela and Brazil. I don’t think Moscow would want to alienate its relationship with Brazil by promoting some kind of two-edge policy

Actually Moscow is very mindful of Brazil’s weight and potential power otherwise, it would have taken even bolder steps in Venezuela, Bolivia and possibly also Ecuador; for despite Brasilia’s leftward inclination, with a Labor government, the Russians are fully aware that such regime is not (yet) authoritarian and does not (and appears to not be willing to) completely control the nation like its unruly northern neighbor, that it’s elite and military remains not only skeptical of the current Labor administration while with strong ties with the United States and the European Union. Consequently, I trust Mr. Putin (who is remain pulling the strings behind the scene without any doubt) is too clever to avoid alienating Brazilians by moving to brusquely into the region…

In connection with the Kalashnikov assault rifle factory, Mr. Sanchez indicates:
My one major critique (and I do believe major weapon sales to Venezuela is reckless as it promotes a regional arms race) is that Russia will construct a Kalashnikov assault rifle factory, and another for its ammo, in Venezuelan territory. There are plenty of regional actors who would like to get their hands in such weapons, from Colombia’s FARC and ELN, Peru’s Shining Path, Mexican Colombian and Brazilian drug cartels, violent political groups, criminal gangs to common criminals

While I first considered the Russian decision to build such factory in Venezuela a misstep, after further reflection, I now consider it extremely brilliant. Putin’s decades of experience in the KGB is guiding a foreign policy of discreetly providing a major factor for undermining the fragile peace in regions recently stabilized (such as Peru) while further enhancing conflict in Colombia. In addition, because the resulting clashes and increased tension are likely to spill into other areas (particularly following further economic decline, unemployment, and discontent), by completely destabilize South America, the Russians and the Chinese would be poised to “jump” into the rescue, like White Knights, leaving the blame for the ordeal pointing towards Caracas...

There is no question that the Russians recognize Chavez as an idiotic, ideal tool for achieving a significant role for gaining greater military & political control of South America (or at least noteworthy sections thereof). While I’m certain that Moscow recognizes (privately) that Hugo Chavez is an unbelievable clown, who flex muscles while singing on Caracas TV, and deserves no respect from any civilized society, the astute Russian leadership is fully aware that he represents an unequal opportunity for recovering some of the former prestige and influence of the former USSR.
Part-2: Latin America: the Current Arena for Sino-Russian competition for Global Hegemony
written by Augustus, November 26, 2008
Unlike its former geo-political allies, ideological foes & bigger northern neighbors, the Chinese appears to have, for the time being, strictly economic designs for the Latin America and its foolish leaders; as they clearly plan to redirect this gullible region away from Wall Street and towards Shanghai, thus replacing America as the source of commerce and finance for the entire region! In addition, because the current financial hurricane has now finally reached the Chinese economy at full steam, causing factory closures, increasing unemployment and therefore representing the source of instability (a major concern for the Communist Party), the Asian Giant must be eager to take over whatever is left behind in Lima, Santiago and Sao Paulo by decaying American financial institutions, automotive industry and any other bankrupt commercial or financial enterprise while at the same time securing several rich sources of Raw Material to feed the resource-hungry Chinese economy…

In essence, the true face for the World, and particularly for Latin America during the 21st Century is gradually becoming clearer, whereby China will continue advancing in its quest for achieving global economic hegemony, utilizing Latin America and Africa as the Launch Point, while leaving Moscow with sufficient “Lebensraum” to conduct its good-old geo-political game in Caracas, La Paz and Havana. By allowing the Russians play the role military infiltrator – dreaming of old Soviet Glory - in South America, the Chinese are actually the ultimate players, for when they reach the desired global hegemony by 2050-60, Beijing can always “deal with” Moscow accordingly, in the same way Washington handled London during the 20th Century…
ADDITIONAL (relevant) INFORMATION FROM REUTERS - Nov 25, 2008 (Russia vs. France)
written by Augustus, November 26, 2008
Reaffirming some of the points made under this thread, based on the following concluding paragraphs from REUTERS, Russia is aggressively pursuing increased influence in Brazilian defense, natural resources and possibly various other sectors... Yet, Paris appears to be (mercifully) poised to provide MOSCOW with significant competition...
I have my "high-hopes" all set upon the French bid for a future (more solid, reliable and compatible) strategic Partnership with Brasilia...
French President Nicolas Sarkozy will likely steal a march on Russia next month when he signs a strategic defense alliance in Rio that offers Brazil not only arms but technology to build a domestic defense industry.
France has agreed to allow Brazil to build French helicopters and submarines under license, giving in to a Brazilian demand to share key military technology.
Russia's Sukhoi fighter jet failed to make the cut in a Brazilian air force tender to replace up to 100 aircraft over 15 years because it offered no technology transfer.
With an eye on Brazil's large new-found oil reserves, Gazprom (GAZP.MM: Quote, Profile, Research, Stock Buzz), the Russian oil and gas giant, is looking to open offices in Brazil, but Lula wants more state control over those reserves and would likely drive a hard bargain with Gazprom.
Brazil also says Russia is dragging its feet on reform of the United Nations Security Council, where Brazil has been demanding a seat for years. (Writing by Stuart Grudgings; Editing by Todd Benson and David Wiessler.
Augustus
written by João da Silva, November 26, 2008
Yet, Paris appears to be (mercifully) poised to provide MOSCOW with significant competition...


Thanks to some Sorbonne educated scholars in our government. smilies/wink.gif
Augustus
written by João da Silva, November 26, 2008
I read with great interest all your astute comments made in your customarily elegant English. These along with the feed back from the writer Mr.Alex Sanchez in reply to my question helped to better understand the issue. What came as a big surprise to me was that a) "Russia's Sukhoi fighter jet failed to make the cut in a Brazilian air force tender to replace up to 100 aircraft over 15 years because it offered no technology transfer." b)"Brazil also says Russia is dragging its feet on reform of the United Nations Security Council, where Brazil has been demanding a seat for years".I have not read this news in any local press unless I missed it. All the more surprising is the fact that Reuters published the article just on the day of the visit of Mr.Medevedev´s visit to Brasilia. So I do not know how far this information is correct.

Coming to the "Collaboration" the French are going to make to enhance our defense "preparedness", they are willing to transfer the technology which in essence is the key to their winning the bids and what we want. I think that I made it very clear in my reply to Mr.Sanchez´s inquiry about Senator Pedro Simon.

Now my question: Is Paris willing to lobby in favor of Brasil to get a seat for it in the U.N. Security Council?
Augustus
written by João da Silva, November 26, 2008
Just to "irritate you", I am reproducing a suggestion by a good American friend of mine. I thought you would find it hilarious:

You know what would really irritate the Democrats?

Bush should resign now, so Dick Cheney becomes President (that would REALLY
tick off the libs)!!! Then Cheney appoints Condoleeza Rice as VP.

Two weeks later, Cheney resigns and Condoleeza Rice, a Republican, becomes the first
BLACK - WOMAN president!!!

BINGO - we've outdone the LIBS!!!

THAT would be AWESOME!!!


Cheers smilies/wink.gif
JOAO - regarding your friend's CONSERVATIVE comment....
written by Augustus, November 26, 2008
Just send him to the Galleys! smilies/angry.gif
Or... Let's bring back the Inquisition (just for him) smilies/grin.gif
Needless to say it's a preposterous suggestion! Even as a joke...
Yet, there is NOTHING the republicans can do that would truly surprise me with the possible exception of erecting a statue for LENIN in Washington DC - in front of the Capitol smilies/cheesy.gif
Joao - Security Council...
written by Augustus, November 26, 2008
Although I stopped following the Brazilian (Japanese / German / plus another whose name escapes me now) bid for a permanent seat in the Security Council, I would NOT be surprised if there is a Russian objection (even if not officially published)
I DO understand the Chinese APPEAR to be supportive...

I would not be surprised if France did not object to it, after all, there is an IMMENSE affinity between French & Brazilians (even considering the USUAL Parisian snobbish disdain which is reserved for most other cultures, particularly Non-Europeans
In addition, I will NEVER forget the feeling I had, during the year I lived in Paris (1999) that the regular French people walking in the streets (for some reason - particularly the older ladies) seemed to often remind me of Brazil & Brazilians (of middle class background of course)... During that time I clearly recall thinking of France as a Richer, European (and more cultivated) version of Brazil! Seriously!

(They clearly spot us just by our very accent – even a soda vendor in the Eiffel Towel immediately asked me to confirm my Brazilian origin – despite several YEARS of Americanization - go Figure!!!!)
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FINAL COMMENT FOR JOAO
written by Augustus, November 26, 2008
With the exception of Space related technology (particularly considering their famous ENERGIA rocket engines), I'm convinced that French Technology is FAR superior (not to mention of higher quality and more reliable) than the Russian equivalent.
Moreover, the fact that Paris is willing to share the technology, simply sweetens ANY deal with Brasilia smilies/cool.gif
Augustus
written by João da Silva, November 26, 2008
Just send him to the Galleys!


I think you meant "Gallows", Milord. You must be consuming a vast quantity of our favorite "National Drink" made out of Sugar Cane juice, to have committed this "error".

I am enchanted to know that the "Old Ladies" in Paris were paying you lots of attention while living there. BUT.....BUT..... I preferred the younger ones in Montreal. smilies/wink.gif
Augustus
written by João da Silva, November 26, 2008
FINAL COMMENT FOR JOAO.

Thanks. Right now,I am more worried about finding the whereabouts of some of my friends. Hope Sarko will send some of his Choppers to rescue the marooned ones. Or should we appeal to the other European Socialist leader in unified Germany ?
Joao?
written by Augustus, November 26, 2008
I lost you there....????
Augustus
written by João da Silva, November 26, 2008
I lost you there....????


Lord Augustus, I am very upset that my beloved state is under water and our "elected rulers" are playing politics. Disgusting. That is the reason why I suggested that Sarko and Angela might be able to help.
BREAKING NEWS: THE CITY OF MUMBAI (INDIA) IS UNDERGOING A MASSIVE ATTACKE BY ISLAMIC TERRORIST VERMIN!!!!!!!
written by Augustus, November 26, 2008
THIS REPUGNANT ACT JUST PROVIDES ADDITIONAL PROOF OF THE BARBARIC NATURE OF THE ISLAMIC PIGS. ACTUALLY PIGS SHOULD NOT BE INSULTED BY BEING DIMINISHED DOWN TO THE ISLAMIC LEVEL - NOTHING DOES!!!! EVEN AMEBAS ARE HIGHER BEINGS COMPARED TO ISLAMIC FUNDAMENTALISTS

DETAILS: ISLAMIC INSECTS HAVE JUST PERFORMED A MASSIVE COORDINATED ATTACK IN MUMBAY INDIA. THEY ARE STRIKING TARGETING MOSTLY WESTERNERS, PARTICULARLY AMERICAN CITIZENS AND BRITISH SUBJECTS!
THE MONSTROUS ATTACKS INCLUSDE SEVERAL LUXURIOUS HOTELS, THE RAILROAD STATION AS WELL AS FINANCIAL INSTITUTIONS (BEARING IN MIND THAT MUMBAI (FORMERLY KNOWN AS BOMBAY) IS THE SITE OF THE INDIAN STOCK EXCHANGE.

I COULD NOT POSSIBLE EMPHASIZE ENOUGH THE EXTENT OF MY DISMAY FOR THIS ADDITIONAL REPUGNANT ATTACK WHICH FURTHER ANGERS ME AGAINS PASSIFICIST LIBERALS WHO RESUSE TO ACKNOWLEDGE THE EXTENT OF THE BARBARITY WHICH THE ISLAMIC INSECTS ARE CABLE OF COMMITING AGAINST CIVILIZED PEOPLE IN INDIA AS WELL AS IN THE WESTERN WORLD!!!

HOPEFULLY THE LIBERAL CRITICS WILL REPTENT AND ACKENOWLEGE THE EXTENT OF THEIR ERROR IN JUDGEMENT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

THE ENTIRE ISLAMIC WORLD SHOULD BE EXTERMINATED!!! MUSLINS ARE WORSE THEN VERMIN!!!

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Joao - CONCERNED ABOUT FLOODS - A terrible day for mankind everywhere!
written by Augustus, November 26, 2008
Joao, I'm terribly sorry to hear about the situation in your lovely idyllic state! I trust you know you and your loved ones are in my thoughts! I fully realized the extent of the situation after calling Rio de Janeiro. As I had contacted relatives to discuss the situation in Mumbai, they brought to my attention that the entire country was falling DRAMATIC COVERAGE about the floods in your state... I'm so sorry!

Even more dramatic is the realization that the Federal government appears to be doing absolutely NOTHING to alleviate the suffering in the region, yet another confirmation for Brazilians of the incompetence of the current (or any) Labor adminstration!

Please provide updates!
(Shockingly there has been very little information about Brazil (especially now with non-stop coverage of the equally dramatic situation in Mumbai - a terrible day indeed for all of us; and doubly for so for my tormented mind) smilies/sad.gif smilies/cry.gif
WARNING AGAINST THE ISLAMIC THREAT //// ALERTA ANTI-MULCUMANO
written by Augustus, November 29, 2008
I could not sufficiently underline the extension of the horror, the anxiety and the concern which the new appalling Islamic attack (in India) which represents more one example of the danger which the Islamic World represents to the Civilized World (Europe, North & South America, Australia/NZ and Japan). Furthermore I am frustrated with the role proportioned by the pacifist liberals who refuse to recognize the extension of cruelty the Islamic extremists are capable to cause against all with the civilized people!
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(Portugues)
Eu não poderia enfatizar suficientemente a extensão do horror, da ansiedade e preocupação sobre este novo ataque repugnante o qual representa mais um exemplo do perigo que o Mundo Islamico proporciona ao Mundo Civilizado (Europa, Americas do Norte E Sul, Australia/NZ e Japao). Tambem estou extramente frustrado com o papel proporcionado pelos liberais pacifistas que se recusam a reconhecer a extensão do barbaridade que os extremistas Islamicos podem de cometer contra todos aos povos civilizados!
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(Francais)
AVERTISSEMENT CONTRE LE RISQUE MUSULMAN
Je ne pourrais souligner suffisamment l'extension de l'horreur, de l'anxiété et de la préoccupation sur cette nouvelle attaque islamiste dégoûtante (a l’Inde) qui représente plus un exemple du danger que le Monde Islamique fournisse au Monde Civilisé (Europe, Amériques du Nord Et du Sud, Australie/NZ et Japon). Aussi supplémentairement je suis frustré avec le rôle proportionné par les libéraux pacifistes qui se refusent de reconnaître l'extension de la monstruosité que les extrémistes Islamiques peuvent de commettre contre tous aux peuples civilisés!

Augustus
written by João da Silva, November 29, 2008
Your latest comment in this thread and the previous ones made in the sister site along with the comments made by our distinguished fellow blogger DnB make lots of sense. It is a bit scary to hear that the terrorists in India were prepared to kill as many as 5000 people to prove that this attack toll will surpass that of 911. From what I read, they killed without any remorse and just for the pleasure of it. It seems that they did not even stipulate any conditions for the release of the hostages, thus giving a clear impression to the authorities in charge that theirs was a suicidal mission with the aim of causing maximum causalities among the civilians before attaining the "Martyrdom".

I have a feeling that the Indians are not going to take it lying down quietly if the hands of Pakistan are involved in it. I wonder what the position of our government is regarding this terrorist attack on India which is supposedly the largest importer of our Ethanol and thus an important trading partner and ally. I have not heard any high level government official coming out with statements in this regard.
JOAO
written by Augustus, November 29, 2008
It is shocking the silence of the Brazilian government in connection with the attacks in India, which, you correctly indicated had "allegedly" become an Important Brazilian ally!
Silence and indiffirence is NOT - by any measure - what an allied country & civilization would have expected from Brasilia!
SHAME ON LULA! SHAME ON THE LABOR GOVERNEMENT! smilies/angry.gif
Joao da Silva
written by Adriana A., November 29, 2008
Hi, I'm glad that you're alright.
I have a question for you. Do you know if Taquara,SC, are facing the same problems as for Itajai and Blumenau. How far is Taquara from the areas of risk?
The reason is because one of my best friends in The States is from there. Although, she left U.S. six years ago -she went to live in India for two years, and now lives in China- we were still communicating by e-mail and phone. But last time I had contact of her was Jully, when my mom met her on the airplane going to Toronto. I sent her an e-mail when I found out about SC, but she hasn't responded me back.
She has family there and visits them often. So how far is Taquara from the areas of risk?
Thanks
Adriana A
written by João da Silva, November 29, 2008
Hi Adriana,

I have a question for you. Do you know if Taquara,SC, are facing the same problems as for Itajai and Blumenau. How far is Taquara from the areas of risk?


As far as I know, the problems there are not as serious as Blumenau and Itajai, as it is located about 200 KMs west from the are of risk. The damages caused by the floods in Blumenau and Itajai are unbelievable. The rains have not stopped yet. If your friend is planning to visit the state for Christmas and New Year, I would recommend her to keep track of the news. I presume that both you and your friend still remember Portuguese and hence am posting an useful link below:

www.clicrbs.com.br

Many Highways are still blocked with land slides and the continuing rains are hampering the efforts of clearing the highways. The weather forecast for the next 10 days is not too encouraging.

Unfortunately material and human losses could have been avoided or minimized in Itajai/Blumenau if the "authorities" had learn´t the lessons of 1983/84. Of course, as usual, the "Technocrats" were overruled by our elected "Rulers" who do not believe in the old proverb "Prevention is better than Cure".
Augustus
written by João da Silva, November 29, 2008
SHAME ON LULA! SHAME ON THE LABOR GOVERNEMENT!


Interesting comments, Lord Augustus. It was all the more distressing to note that our government has not manifested with any statements expressing any solidarity with our allies and trading partners, while both the outgoing and incoming POTUS´s have done so. BUT...BUT...., there again, we are yet to learn how to conquer and maintain good friendships.

Read the comment of our distinguished fellow blogger Adriana A. Her friend spent years in India and and now she is in China, though she comes from a very small town in SC. Such people are the real ambassadors of Brasil. I hope you agree with me.
JOAO - In agreement
written by Augustus, November 29, 2008
Of course I agree with your statement
Read the comment of our distinguished fellow blogger Adriana A. Her friend spent years in India and and now she is in China, though she comes from a very small town in SC. Such people are the real ambassadors of Brasil. I hope you agree with me.
Joao
written by Adriana A., November 29, 2008
Thanks for the info.
But how did you guess about my friend Ana? She is indeed a good embassador with the most amazing soul. Her only "problem" is that she never did any harm to nobody. She went to work in India to represent a company from Porto Alegre that exports leather. Then, the company expanded to China, and there she went, as she is very adventurous.
I'll forever be in debt to all the help she gave me when I first came to The States.
Now, I hope she and her family are OK -she hasn't responded me back yet.
She used to tell me that I should try "Cuca"(or "Kuka")the cake from her childhood.
JOAO - I HAVE FINALLY FOUND A BRAZILIAN STATEMENT REGARDING INDIA (at the Chinese press)
written by Augustus, November 30, 2008
Interesting that I found this at www.chinaview.cn
Xinhuanet - English publication dated NOV 28, 2008

Brazilian President Luiz Inacio Lula da Silva on Friday condemned the terrorist attacks on the Indian city of Mumbai on Wednesday.

"I forward, on behalf of the Brazilian people and government, our condemnation of this cowardly demonstration of violence and our solidarity with the families affected and with the entire Indian nation," Lula said in messages to Indian President PratibhaPatil and Prime Minister Manmohan Singh.

Brazilian Foreign Minister Celso Amorim also sent a message to his Indian counterpart Pranab Mukherjee, expressing the solidarity of the Brazilian government and condolences for the dead in the attack.

More than 140 people have been killed and almost 400 others injured in the attacks targeting Westerners, according to Indian officials.
JOAO - Please keep us up-to-date of the FLOOD - INTERNATIONAL INFO LOCATED
written by Augustus, November 30, 2008
Scary headline

More rains feared as death toll rises in Brazil
By RICARDO MORAES – 1 day ago

BLUMENAU, Brazil (AP) — Forecasters warned Friday that yet more rain could fall this weekend on waterlogged southern Brazil, raising fears of renewed mudslides in a region where at least 100 people have died due to storms.

Santa Catarina state's civil defense department said in a statement that mudslides killed most of the victims, with floods killing most of the rest. Nineteen people were still missing and at least 78,000 people in 14 cities were still forced to shelter with relatives or friends or in churches, schools and other public buildings.

After surveying large areas hit by the mudslides, experts at Sao Paulo's Technological Research Institute said tragedy could strike again because the earth is still saturated with water.

"The stabilization of the soil is extremely precarious and if there is more rain, then there could be more mudslides," the institute's Luiz Antonio Gomes was quoted as saying in the Santa Catarina government's Web site.
Augustus
written by João da Silva, November 30, 2008
JOAO - I HAVE FINALLY FOUND A BRAZILIAN STATEMENT REGARDING INDIA (at the Chinese press)


The Chinese Press seems to be more diligent than ours in transmitting the messages of our "Rulers" to rest of the world. smilies/wink.gif
Augustus
written by João da Silva, November 30, 2008
JOAO - Please keep us up-to-date of the FLOOD


The article of Ricardo Moraes is pretty accurate. We are having a break from the rains today. It is supposed to restart again from Tuesday. smilies/cry.gif
JOAO - I'M VERY SORRY
written by Augustus, November 30, 2008
This recent weather anomaly (likely part of the overall results of the expedited weather modifications-man made accelation of natural global evelution)affecting southern Brazil is extremly disturbing...

I only wish I could blame it on the Muslims smilies/wink.gif

Please keep on providing updates!
smilies/cry.gif I hope you know how concerned I am!
I read this article on the terrorist attack in India and I thought about you guys
written by Adriana A., November 30, 2008
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written by asp, December 03, 2008
yeah, its very bad down here...

i had several business trips in november , and every time i went and came back, it was raining. this was rain that just didnt stop, day after day

i came in last night, the plane came under heavy heavy rain and downword wind shafts just under the cloud cover as it was about to land, it aborted the landing and went up again.it almost went to porto allegre. the main road to our apartment was one of the big landslide routes so the taxi had to take a longer much more expensive route. i prayed the leak in our apartment, that comes with the heavy rain , hadnt over flowed the pail we had to catch it, for the days we were gone...luckily it didnt over flow...but, very stressful,,,i already have had hundreds of reals in damgage, for sure nothing compared to people who lost loved ones or houses

augustus, again, where i might not agree with everything you say, and dont want to have prejudice against all people of islam, this horrible attack really sticks in the gut.and, i would share your feelings about these extreme fundimentalists who think its ok to do this kind of thing.

they dont disciminate, even against their own people, they have been doing it pakistan. it hurts me anytime when i hear these islamic fundamentalist attacks on civilians , no matter what country

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written by João da Silva, December 03, 2008
the main road to our apartment was one of the big landslide routes so the taxi had to take a longer much more expensive route.


Your apartment in Jurere, Ingleses, Canasveiras, etc?
...
written by asp, December 03, 2008
ahhhh, yes, joao, one of those places.......i dont want to get too specific......but, you hit the nail on the head...and you ? i figured out you were from sc
JOAO - ASP
written by Augustus, December 03, 2008
When will it end? What will stop this rain?

Yet, the end will not come as a result of Lula's ridiculous begging of divine powers to stop the waters from the heavens...

What Lula should be doing is providing more Federal aid, and begging Brazilians (and the world actually - which remains ignorant of the scope of the tragedy) for ANY assistance to the unfortunate victims of this modern-day deluge! smilies/cry.gif

ASP - Thanks again for understanding my point... Yet, I've elected to "drop it" for now... smilies/wink.gif
asp
written by João da Silva, December 03, 2008
i dont want to get too specific......but, you hit the nail on the head...and you ?


I don't want to get too specific either! But if you are living in a rented apartment with water leaking all over you, you have all the rights to ask the owner to fix it or sue him if he does not want to do so. If you are the owner, you can sue the "Sindico". BTW, badly constructed buildings in Ingleses. Hope you are not too close to the water front.Any time you want my suggestion, please do feel free to ask.
Augustus
written by João da Silva, December 03, 2008
When will it end? What will stop this rain?


The right person to ask this question is our distinguished fellow blogger Forrest.It appears he is busy studying the weather charts. But I can tell you that it is going to be a wet Christmas. Forget about tourism.
joao!!!
written by Augustus, December 03, 2008
you have important information elsewhere!!! smilies/sad.gif
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written by asp, December 04, 2008
actualy, its a ciclone sub tropical, and, there is a high preasure system over bahia that isnt letting fronts pass. its as clear as day on the national map weather reports. there is a lot of sun above bahia, and, lots of rain in bahia.

the ciclone sub tropical is off the south east coast of santa catarina, constantly blowing.the proof is that the currants brought in huge amounts of jelly fish, some torn to bits from the violent currant. ive never seen that before, but, jelly fish at this time of year , yes

ok,joao, meet me at myriam's, armezem on the calcadao at open shopping ..... if you know where that is ,we are probably neihbors on the same block.... scary , isnt it?
SCHOCKING - ASP & JOAO
written by Augustus, December 04, 2008
Go Figure!
Well, Lenin & Nicholas II of Russia lived in Petrograd (St.Petersburg) after Lenin's return from Exile - LOL
As such, stranger coincidences HAVE already happened!
Augustus
written by João da Silva, December 04, 2008
Go Figure!
Well, Lenin & Nicholas II of Russia lived in Petrograd (St.Petersburg) after Lenin's return from Exile - LOL
As such, stranger coincidences HAVE already happened!


I would not classify ASP as a Bolshevik. As the Chief Resident of M.I.6, I assure you he is not. smilies/cheesy.gif
After a long time...
written by Shelly1, December 04, 2008
Good to be back, for a few hours at least. After seeing all the ranting by CH.C and sage, both are defending their territory, however I must say, that I remember saying on this board about the fact that the US economy was going to go south (remember by brother's in-law the actuary?) you all dismissed what I had to say. So now, it should be my turn to laugh at some of the comments here, but I won't do it-for obvious reasons.

The fact is Brazil should be partners and try to make new market venture with any country. However, using caution because in business nobody is to be trusted. In a world economy slowdown, whoever has a job is a blessed person, whoever can do business is a lucky one. Brazil should and must look at other continents to do business with, Americans aren't buying, it is all doom-and-gloom here. I take the metro to D.C. everyday and all I hear is bad news or some H.R. person being swamped with 100 resume per day!

Instead of dived we should unite. Greed has caused the economic downturn and greed will not solve the issue.

Shelly!!!!
written by Augustus, December 04, 2008
Welcome back Milady!!!
My fellow "Carioca" blogger...
Hope you enlighten us with your company once again....
(were you in Rio, by the way?)
Cheers
Comment on Ricardo C. Amaral
written by Tom Lloyds, December 05, 2008
written by Ricardo C. Amaral, November 21, 2008

Switzerland is an irrelevant country in world affairs.

When you think about Switzerland the first thing that comes to mind is:
RICOLA.


Tom's Comment:

Ricardo is absolutely an idiot! Talking about Switzerland, I will think about the United Nation, Swiss's technology, Swiss's drug companies, big banks and financial centers, world wide popular Swiss knife, and watch ....etc .

Talking about Brazil, I will think about lack of infrastructure and an idiot had written a 4 part long articles begging Chinese to invest and the Chinese never come. Well, Brazil can sell some raw materials to the Chinese for them to develop their industries.
Tom Llyods
written by João da Silva, December 05, 2008
Well, Brazil can sell some raw materials to the Chinese for them to develop their industries.


We have exchanged some comments before under Mr.Amaral´s article. I am surprised to note you are back to continue your personal feud with him and also offer unsolicited advice to the Brazilians. Your latest comments show that you are unaware that Brazil has been selling raw material (not just "some") to China for many years. Not only raw materials, but also food items (though indirectly subsidized by the domestic consumers).

I also read your "plan" for the "development" of our country and your concern for the "welfare" of our citizens. I fully remember that first you wanted to teach the Brazilians English and then you changed your mind and recommended Chinese!

I must point out that Ch.c contests Mr.Amaral with facts and figures, while you like to have just a slugging match with him. If you are so concerned about the development of Brasil, I suggest you do what Ch.c did. He has invested in farms in Brasil to grow premium quality food items with his own money, not expecting any handout from the government. You sir,what have you done, except shedding crocodile tears for your "many" Brazilian friends? Probably pulled out of BOVESPA at the first sign of trouble.
Reply to João da Silva
written by Tom Lloyds, December 05, 2008
João da Silva:"Not only raw materials, but also food items (though indirectly subsidized by the domestic consumers).


Tom: "Food is also a commodity! It is also regarded as raw materials in the market. Read the fact!

If Ricardo does not wish people to comment on what he wrote, he has better not to write.
It is outraged to see how him has commented the Swiss. On the other web-site, this idiot
said that the Swiss earned money by doing money laundering! I suggest this guy better reads more or goes out of his hole to learn the world before he writes.

In fact, the former president of Taiwan is now being sued for corruption during his term. He was sued because a Swiss bank reported to the Taiwanese government on suspicion of money laundering in one of his relative bank account in Switzerland!.

If Ricardo cannot write based on fact, he should not write. In fact, he has insulted all the Swiss!!!!!!!"
Web Site
written by Tom Lloyds, December 05, 2008
Here is the web-page at which Ricardo accused the Swiss doing money laundering.

http://www.brazzil.com/index.php?view=article&catid=198:november-2008&id=10127:in-brazil-education-is-not-guarantee-of-good-job-or-even-a-job&tmpl=component&print=1&page=
Tom Llyods
written by João da Silva, December 05, 2008
If Ricardo cannot write based on fact, he should not write. In fact, he has insulted all the Swiss!!!!!!!"


When you can question the intelligence of the Brazilians just because they do not know English or Chinese, Mr.Amaral can insult you or anyone of his choice. Obviously you are a "New Swiss", because you have written that "he has insulted ALL the Swiss" and gone out of your way to defend the entire population of Switzerland. Do you remember how you treated a Brazilian blogger by name "Andrade de Nascimento" ? You are a condescending and patronizing person and you don't want to face your shortcomings.

Here is the web-page at which Ricardo accused the Swiss doing money laundering.


I don't have to read the web page. Our Geneva based distinguished fellow blogger Ch.c has refuted Mr.Amaral´s arguments about money laundering by the Swiss, coming out with Stats and Facts (unlike you that does not have any fixed opinion on anything, except ranting and raving on every comment Mr.Amaral makes). Of course there are exceptions and some Swiss could be involved in money laundering and may be you are one of them. Probably that is the reason why you are furious about Mr.Amaral's comments.

Regardless, you have a nice week end and be careful with your illicit activities in Switzerland. I hear that the cops are pretty nasty with "New Swiss" like you.
Reply to João da Silva
written by Tom Lloyds, December 05, 2008
I suggested to Brazilian to improve English and Chinese education for internationalization. I was shocked that I was accused of questioning Brazilian's intelligence. Do you have any problem of self-esteem?

Accusing someone making a living by laundering dirty money is very very serious. If this guy continue to post this kind of nonsense, I will definitely correct him.

I have posted a recent piece of news of the charges of the former Taiwanese president based on the report from the Swiss government on suspicion of money laundering in his relative's account. Without the help of Swiss government, the Taiwanese government cannot proceed the case. Ricardo told the whole world again Swiss makes a living by laundering dirty money. Is it sick? You said that I posted without fact. Are you ....?

I understand that you guy does not like me to correct Ricardo's nonsense. If he continue to do so, I will continue to tell the whole world the correct fact and answer.
Tom Llyods
written by João da Silva, December 06, 2008
Do you have any problem of self-esteem?


I don't, but you seem to have plenty.

I understand that you guy does not like me to correct Ricardo's nonsense. If he continue to do so, I will continue to tell the whole world the correct fact and answer.


Wow, you are going to tell the "entire" world? You better start your own blog to specifically denounce Ricardo in all the continents including the Antarctica.

Please do keep on entertaining us.
Reply to João da Silva
written by Tom Lloyds, December 06, 2008
João da Silva: Wow, you are going to tell the "entire" world? You better start your own blog to specifically denounce Ricardo in all the continents including the Antarctica.

Tom: You don't know someone live in Antarctica as well.


João da Silva: I don't, but you seem to have plenty.

Tom: If someone tells me that he is willing to provide me good French education, I will not feel that he is insulting my intelligence. What is wrong with your self-esteem?

Tom Llyods
written by João da Silva, December 06, 2008
You don't know someone live in Antarctica as well.


I do know.

If someone tells me that he is willing to provide me good French education, I will not feel that he is insulting my intelligence. What is wrong with your self-esteem?


Nothing wrong. BUT....BUT..... one day you say English, the next day change to Chinese and now you want French. You change your mind very quickly.Never mind.

One suggestion I have though. You should publish an article in this magazine, outlining your plan to develop Brazil. I am sure all the bloggers will be eager hear your views.
Reply to João da Silva
written by Tom Lloyds, December 06, 2008
Ricardo: "Big deal in a country a little bigger than the state of New Jersey in the USA - with a labor force of 4 million people.

Where this people work?

Making watches, swiss cheese, Swiss chocolate, and the rest of the people in laundering dirty money from around the world.

Let's not forget one of the big Swiss products - they make RICOLLA.

Only an idiot would think that you can compare Switzerland with Brazil."


Tom: "No wonder this idiot could not finish his PhD. He writes this kind of junk.
According to his statement, if a Swiss does not make cheese, watch, chocolate or RICOLLA, the Swiss must earn his living by laundering dirty money. Money laundering is criminal in Switzerland. He means that most of the Swiss not making watches, cheese, chocolate or RICOLLA are criminal! I never see anything in my professional life.

It is better for this idiot not to write."
Typo
written by Tom Lloyds, December 06, 2008
Sorry! There is a typo.

"I never see anything in my professional life."

should be

"I never see anything like this in my professional life."

Tom Llyods
written by João da Silva, December 06, 2008
"I never see anything like this in my professional life."


Should have been: I have never seen anything like this in my professional life.

BTW, I have a great news for you. There is another great Brazilian blogger with some fresh views about Brazil. Please do have a look at the link below:

http://augustus-99.blogspot.co...eenth.html

He comments once in a while in this site. What do you think of his idea of resuscitating Monarchy in Brasil?

BTW, I understand the fervor with which you defend your new country. But Ch.c has already talked extensively about the economic prowess of Switzerland and there is nothing more you can add.
Reply to João da Silva
written by Tom Lloyds, December 06, 2008

What is wrong with you? I am not talking about the economic power of Switzerland. I am talking about Ricardo's nonsense.

You should ask Ricardo to read about Augustus's blog as he carries the blood of the father of Brazil diluted through many generations.

Well, if Ricardo continues to post nonsense, I will continue to comment.
Tom Llyods
written by João da Silva, December 06, 2008
Well, if Ricardo continues to post nonsense, I will continue to comment.


Feel free.
[b]Various comments for Mr. Tom Lloyds and Esteemed JOAO vis-a-vis Amaral's comments on CH-C along with related Historical Analysis[/b]
written by Augustus, December 07, 2008
Tom Lloyds / JOAO
In reference to your remark about Mr. Ricardo Amaral comment, which I quote
Accusing someone making a living by laundering dirty money is very very serious. If this guy continue to post this kind of nonsense, I will definitely correct him.

Although I agree with your above comment, I must concede that upon joining the unofficial rostrum of Brazzil.com bloggers in late July 2008, I was also immediately stunned by the blatantly acerbic, even combative style of ch-c. In fact, due to my general proclivity to take matters in too much personal a fashion, my initial reaction to the Swiss Blogger was not entirely unlike the current, unwavering stance of the Andrada descendant… In fact, I made a point of retaliating with deliberately combative anti-Helvetian remarks several times a week, but mostly with the specific purpose of striking back to our Swiss associate.

Yet, while would never accuse the civilized country of Switzerland of Money Laundering, which should be considered a deliberate act, we must concede that the very nature of the extreme “Laissez-Faire” attitude which has been a Trade Mark of the Swiss Cantons for the past 700 years, one must concede (in all fairness to Mr. Amaral) that such extreme neutral attitude of closing one’s eyes to the deeds of powerful foreign individuals and corporations implicitly and theoretically enables the Swiss financial system to be utilized – at least partially – in the of the network utilized by corrupt (non-Swiss) depositors and/or investors who may elect to partake in such questionable deals.

After all, one must always bear in mind that the powerful Swiss financial system was originally established (allegedly) by the surviving members of the historically famous “Poor Fellow-Soldiers of Christ and of the Temple of Solomon” (commonly known as the Knights Templar- in English, OR Ordre du Temple – in French).

This famous, powerful and extremely powerful/wealthy Military Religious order has literally vanished into oblivion – along with most of its treasures and resources) in 1312, after the group was unjustly accused of morality tainted slanderous accusations made by King Philip IV of France. As a result, its valiant, selfless and noble members (who allegedly performed “kinky” secretive rituals) were persecuted, tortured, and/or violently executed (burned alive) after being disbanded and subsequently outlawed by Pope Clement V (as customary, a religious group is behind heinous acts)

According to “historical speculation” (which is entirely sensible) the surviving members of this Order escaped and remained indefinitely hidden across remote locations in the Alps. The only other remaining source of the Order (original)

HISTORICAL FACTOID (About the Templers): They were established circa 1119 AD bu two veterans of the First Crusade: Chevalier Hugues de Payens (French Knight) and his relative Godfrey de Saint-Omer, proposed the creation of a monastic order for the protection of these pilgrims and became, in the course of its 200 years of operations, one of the most famous of the Western Christian military orders

As for José Bonifácio de Andrada e Silva (1763-183smilies/cool.gif who was undoubtedly one of the most remarkable Brazilian statesman, naturalist and professor, I would like to remind you that:
- Immediately after the establishment of the Brazilian Empire he went into exile in France (1823)
- He was appointed as tutor of His Majesty Pedro II who in 1831 was rather young
- Due to the turbulence of Brazilian Regency he navigated “rough waters” but was accused of being a traitor (but eventually pardoned)
Bottom line – as far as I know he was never elevated into Peerage neither by the Emperor (first or second) NOR by King Joao VI before independence (mostly likely because he was in living in Portugal (Coimbra & Lisboa between 1800 and 1819) during a period when nearly anyone who was anybody in Brazil was elevated by the authority of the monarch of the United Kingdom of Brazil and Portugal – bearing in mind that such “wholesale peerage” was often granted in lieu of “payment” for services rendered to the Court (who lacked the necessary funds – LOL) smilies/cheesy.gif
Tom Llyods
written by Andrade de Nascimento, December 07, 2008
Mr.Tom i find you lastly. you alive? No suicide yet ? You no reply me.Sr.Ricardo correct and Petrobras nacinalized soon. CVRD also. You not heering news from brasil. Our prisidente nacionaliz everything. he sais you gringos are blamed for greedy. Chinamans not want to give 200 billions. all investmenters made loss in BOVESPA and runing away like mad dogs. Lastly we can run our cuntry as we want. No China man langage,no inglish. Our prisidente no speak China man langage, no inglsih,no french, no portugués,still he the headman of our country.

Sr.Ricardo warnt you. you no listen. I warnt you. you very stoborn. You no listen.

But yoo have marry cristmas. Hope in 2009, yoo not so stoborn.
Languages
written by Tom Lloyds, December 07, 2008
Well, it is always good to learn some of the most important languages in the world, like Chinese, English and French. I do not know whether it is necessary to learn a language, called Portuga...gness.
Tom Llyods
written by Andrade de Nascimento, December 07, 2008
I do not know whether it is necessary to learn a language, called Portuga...gness.


onely thing yoo know is to steel our welth and brigar width Sr.Ricardo.
Reply to Augustus
written by Tom Lloyds, December 08, 2008
Augustus:"we must concede that the very nature of the extreme “Laissez-Faire” attitude which has been a Trade Mark of the Swiss Cantons for the past 700 years, one must concede (in all fairness to Mr. Amaral) that such extreme neutral attitude of closing one’s eyes to the deeds of powerful foreign individuals and corporations implicitly and theoretically enables the Swiss financial system to be utilized – at least partially – in the of the network utilized by corrupt (non-Swiss) depositors and/or investors who may elect to partake in such questionable deals.

Tom: "I am afraid it may not be the case. If you read this piece of news at https://www.chinapost.com.tw/taiwan/national/national news/2008/09/22/175702/Swiss-committed.htm , you will find this important sentence in the news:

In July, Taiwan received a request from the Swiss authorities for assistance in probing alleged money laundering by Chen Shui-bian’s son Chen Chih chung and his daughter-in-law Huang Jui-ching in Switzerland.

Please note that Swiss authorities requested Taiwan to investigate Taiwan's former president, Chen Shui-bian and his family on money laundering. It was not Taiwan requesting the help from Switzerland. Well, a former president should
be a big powerful brass. Swiss authorities did not tolerate it. Now Chen may face charges on corruption."

Tom Lloyds - your reply addressed to me (Augustus)
written by Augustus, December 08, 2008
What did you mean by just quoting back a paragraph from my test on Swiss "Laissez-Faire" attitude?
Did you intend to add some entry below which may have been inadvertently omitted? LOL smilies/cheesy.gif smilies/shocked.gif

I daresay that I’m all astonishment vis-à-vis the purpose of your entry…
Tom Lloyds - your reply addressed to me (Augustus)
written by Augustus, December 08, 2008
What did you mean by just quoting back a paragraph from my test on Swiss "Laissez-Faire" attitude?
Did you intend to add some entry below which may have been inadvertently omitted? LOL smilies/cheesy.gif smilies/shocked.gif

I daresay that I’m all astonishment vis-à-vis the purpose of your entry…
Augustus
written by Andrade de Nascimento, December 08, 2008
Mr.Augustus. I know read Inglish. Yoo ask good qustion to Mr.Tom. I no think he has reply.Mr.Tom is a very big frad. He steels our welth.Yoo be carful width Mr.Tom
Andrada de Nascimento - a brief remark
written by Augustus, December 08, 2008
Many thanks for your comments

At this point, I should simply add that I have enormous admiration for your illustrous ancestor. In fact I'm considering creating an entry about his life at my blog.

José Bonifácio de Andrada e Silva ( 1763-1838 )
Annual Money and credit growth
written by Ric, December 08, 2008
Argentine Peso-22.21%
Australian Dollar-22.73%
British Sterling-12.3 %
Brazilian Real-21.43%

Euro-11.4%
Japanese Yen-1.8%
Swiss Franc-2.09%
U.S. Dollar-15.7%

It´s easy to see that investors who bought Swiss Francs have done very well.


Augustus
written by Andrade de Nascimento, December 09, 2008
Mr.Augustus. Thank you, Thank you for reply. But I not relationed to Mr.Bonifacio.Unluky .smilies/cry.gif .I am Andrade and he Andrada. But possible our prisidente Mr. da Silva relationed to Mr.Bonifacio Silva.

I read your blog. For a Chinaman you rite good Inglish.
Andrade de Nascimento
written by Augustus, December 09, 2008
Thank you. You are all kindness!
Begging your pardon for my inexcusable oversight vis-à-vis my presumption regarding an incorrect family member, I must also inform you that I consider my command of the English language borderline tolerable; after all I do not have the distinction of claiming it as my native language. Likewise I do not have the privilege of tracing my origins to the ancient nation of China.
Augustus
written by Andrade de Nascimento, December 09, 2008
Thank you. You are all kindness!


Mr.Augustus, thank you, thank you for replaying to a poor pesant like me. your Inglish more better and I improve it talking to yoo. I implore you to forgive for mistooking you for a Chinaman. I spell badly and i know it. I red your blog totally.Soorprised to see you are one Brasilian. Carioca. veri glad. as we know, we brasilians are modest peeple.

I angry to Mr.Tom. he complines too much about Seu Ricardo sem giving soluções.Full of merda. Mr.Tom want to steel our welth and i not going to aceitar. Nor Mr.da Silva. smilies/wink.gif
Couldn't exist?
written by bo, December 10, 2008
Sage said;

gm, ford & fiat could not exist w/o the brazilian market.



GM and Ford couldn't exist without the brazilian market? You have to be kidding, right? There's only 35 million vehicles in this entire country and would have to guess that at least 70% of them are those little 1 litre tin cans on wheels! smilies/grin.gif

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