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Adrianerik


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I thought that you Brazilians who have seen the film CITY OF GOD would be interested in how that movie is being advertised here in the United States.  

This scene on the beach is such a small part of the movie but the idea of sexuality is the major point being emphasized here.

Peace

Eu achei de que você os brasileiros que viram a da filme CIDADE DO DEUS estaria interessado em como esse filme está sendo anunciado aqui nos Estados Unidos.    

Esta cena na praia é só uma parte pequena do filme mas a idéia do sexo é o ponto principal que está sendo emfatizado aqui.  

Paz

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BRENT


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Hot pussy sells ads... where's the story here? What's your point?


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Where is everyone's minds???? The story is about drug traffic in the favelas.  The protaganists are two boys.  One makes it out of the favelas, the other doesn't.  Why on this forum does everyone have to put sex into every post?  Its getting really old.  
 I have been interested in seeing this movie for a long time.  Does anyone know if, when, and where it will be playing on the westside of Los Angeles?

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Patinho



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I have been hearing about this movie for awhile now. Even magazines that I wouldn't think would cover a foreign film are talking about it. So I am dying to see this movie. I finally wait until it's release date of January 17th... and then I learn that it will only be released in New York and Los Angeles. That sucks! What about us mid-southerners and mid-westerners......

Anyway... I guess I'll have to wait until the DVD release.

If anyone on the forum happens to see it... I love to hear what you think....

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I plan to see this film at Angelika Film Center in NYC later this week. I will make sure to post my opinions.

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Pedro


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Can anybody explain?

Why do americans see only SEX, SEX, SEX in everything related to Brazil? Even in a movie where the subject is crime and gangs? Is it a kind of obcession?

When I noticed that, at first I found it amusing, then funny, then curious, then strange, and now I really want to explain this phenomenon. Psychological? Cultural?


This scene on the beach is such a small part of the
             movie but the idea of sexuality is the major point being
             emphasized here.

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unfortunately, when most Americans hear the word "Brazil", they think of sexy nearly-nude mulatas on the beach.

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Speak for yourself. I don't think "sex and brazil" and I'm American. But I will say that when I went to Carnival with my frat buddies last year there was a lot of sex and sex was alway we left with. Before that I didn't know what to expect. I think it's mainly because Brazil touts itself as a sensual country and we Americans live so repressively when it comes to sex. We believe in morals, white picket fence, and 2.5 kids. Not saying Brazil isn't moral, I'm just saying you are far more free than the average American. Now when I think of Amsterdam I think of sex! But Brazil I think of sex then my mind jumps to HIV and I just don't indulge. Those women who give sex for money know how to work men and I'd rather not be worked. I'd like to hold on to the fantasy that I can still get a girl on my charms and not my wallet LOL.

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maverickpix


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Guys,

I am a UK film-maker making a Brazilian comedy in New York hopefully later this year and watched City Of God in London last week...it's a BRILLANT FILM...Pulp Fiction/meets boogie Nights meets Goodfellas is how I would describe it! Fresh..original...funny but with a very tragic underlying theme that what you are watching is an everyday reality of the favelas! What makes it so unique is the fact that the actors (or young kids) are real people and you are drawn into their world! Some scenes will just stick in your mind for a long time...you'll understand what I mean when you watch it...but it is criminal that it does not have wide distribution across America...because it is a foreign language film and the majority of the public don't like to read subtitles! Unfortunately as much as I love America there is a large proportion of the population that are very ignorant and uneducated and therefore un-appreciative of other cultures and only relate to stereo-types! If 'City of God' had been made in English...they'd be celebrating the movie-maker as the new Tarrantino/Scorsese!

Go watch it....can't recommend it highly enough!

I think if someone was to make an uplifting fresh, feel good film about everything that's great about Brazil without the stereo-types of girls in bikini's/sex and more sex then I think it will go along way!

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Mo

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I don't think Brazilians tout their country as particularly sensual, it's just that the filtered images we receive of Brazil imply that it's just sun and sex. Just like the poster for the film. There are many tourists, to be sure, that visit Brazil for its cultural charms, but it seems that much more have that frat boy mentality (your buddies) and seek a sexual paradise there (exploit the locals) because they are otherwise so repressed back home 9and maybe can't get any).

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Pedro


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Sex was not originally related to carnival in Brazil´s popular culture - carnival became "sexualized" as long as it turned to a commercial product destinated to tourists - no longer a popular celebration.

But I believe this "sexualization" was made in order to fulfil an expectation that already existed. Who can tell when it all started?

I don´t think either that brazilians are that "liberated", nor are americans that "repressed". I am considering, of course, the average brazilian, not the one from Rio de Janeiro. In my opinion, the most liberated are not brazilians nor americans, but north-europeans (dutch, danish, swedish, etc.). Am I right?


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Jo


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I've seen Cidade de Deus here in Brazil, and mean to see it again.  It's brilliantly done and the sound track is superb!  Maybe it will get released in other U.S. cities after it wins some prizes, which it surely will.  I'd love to see it with English subtitles because my Portuguese is not that good and my American friend who's lived here 40 years couldn't always catch it all either because of the slang.

To be truthful, I usually avoid violent films, but felt this was a "must see" for the culture.  And truly, there is so much MORE than violence (unlike many U.S. films); the violence is just a necessary part to show the realistic picture.  It's brilliantly done.  The music is terrific.  It is Brazil, one very important section of it.

If you can, see it.  If it's not playing in your city ask a theater manager why not.  Maybe they'll get it.

Jo

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No my frat boys can get it ha! They just felt since so many women were giving it up for free in Brazil why hassle American women. They felt American woman are for marriage and Brazilian were for fun. I didn't feel that way but I did understand the lure. I'm talking women showing their breast, vaginas, everything. One girl who was a White Brazilian gave my Black friend a blow job. I mean I could on. I'm sure not all Brazil is like that, but to blame your tourism office. And to dude who said that Americans aren't repressed. I was born and raised in this country just like you know your country I know mines. We are some sexually repressed people, and our own doctors and scientist say this. Especially our Surgeon General. Anyways I'm out.

Peace

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Isobel


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Mo,

You cannot imagine how many discussions this movie made here and still are doing.
I had classes with the screenwriter and with the person who had prepared the kids (now actors) and big discussions about "the cosmetic of the starvation" and another subjects appeared because this movie. A newspaper here "Folha de São Paulo" made a meeting with the critics and the director Fernando Meirelles.
Globo TV bought from O2 produtions (the company that belongs to Fernando Meirelles) a special tv serie in 4 parts with the actors of the movie called "City of Men", it was really good and cool. some years ago, we watch a story a short movie produced by them (O2) called "Palace 2" that was a kind of training of the actors of the movie. This short was very recepted in some festivals in Europe and is veeery good.
I like the discussion about it, different oppinions. Good movies make big noise and it happened here with this movie. More than 3 million of brazilian watched this movie that won the Xuxa movies :D
By the way, still talking about brazilian cinema, In 2001 I watched the movie of my life and there still aren't on cinemas there, I believe that it will be soon. I have already watched 5 times on the theatre. The name is "Lavoura Arcaica". In English I believe that the name is "To the left of the father", I believe that will be available there this year. I cannot wait for the DVD of this movie that will also be available this year. This movie is based in the novel of the writer Raduan Nassar. I cried watching the movie and reading the book and not because is a melodrama but because there are marvelous scenes with a spetacular photography direction, the soundtrack is great and the poetry and beauty of the shots go against the hard and also beautiful story. I lose the breathe. This movie is really marvelous and in one class of the course I had the opportunity to listen Luis Fernando Carvalho, the director. He is marvelous, very intelligent and conscient about the brazilian cinema.
I'm very proud of the brazilian cinema. This year was really good and made the brazilians look a moment inside. Since the "Cinema Novo" we didn't such good movies. If you is interest in "Lavoura Arcaica" go to http://www.lavourarcaica.com.br
Follow a list of Brazilian movies that I recommend, some I don't know the name in english:
- Lavoura Arcaica - (To the left of the father) director Luis Fernando Carvalho
- O Invasor - (The Invader) director Beto Brant
- Cidade de Deus - (City of God) directors Fernando Meirelles and Katia Lund
- Uma Vida em Segredo - (A life in secret) Suzana Amaral
- A Hora da Estrela - (The time of the star) Suzana Amaral (based in the tale "A Hora da Estrela" of Clarice Lispector)
- Terra em Transe - director Glauber Rocha
- Ilha das Flores (short) - (Islando fo the flowers)director Jorge Furtado (the best short movie in my opinion)
- Central do Brasil - (Central Station) director Walter Salles
- Abril Despedaçado - director Walter Salles (I loved the photography direction)
- Limite - director Mário Peixoto
- O Auto da Compadecida - I forgot the name of the director
- O Primeiro Dia - (The first day) Walter Salles
- Terra Estrangeira - (Foreign Land) Walter Salles
- Bicho de Sete Cabeças - Laís Bodanski
- Tônica Dominante - Lina Chamie

I also cannot forget the marvelous latin america cinema in general, follow some movies that I recommend. I don't know the title in english I tried to translate in spanish and english:

- Nove Rainhas (span. Nueve Reinas - eng. Nine Queens)
- O filho da Noiva (eng. The fiancee's son??)
- Plata Quemada (eng. Burned money???)
- Amores Perros (Heavy loves???)
- E sua mãe também (span. y su madre también - eng. and your mother too)
People,
Let's talk more about cinema! My e-mail is veresa@uol.com.br
Cheers,



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Adam


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Amorres Perros means "love is a bitch"

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Tchau

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maverickpix


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Isobel,

Thank you so much for posting your reply! I know how great Brazilian cinema is and I think Walter Salles has been one of the key men in putting Brazillian cinema back on the International scene with his successes 'Central station', 'Behind the sun' and his role in 'City of God' I also hear that there are some good taz incentives for film-making in Brazil which is great!

Regarding the cinematography, it's hardly surprising that this fantastic as there is so much natural beauty to Brazil that every shot is like a post card! I would love to be able to someday have the opportunity of working in Brazil!

I would love to watch more Brazilian films unfortunately it is hard to find them in London!

Thanks for your reply and I will definately shoot you an e-mail soon.

Mo

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Lucas


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Cidade de Deus is fantastic! A master piece!


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Adam


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I just saw it, its very violent, but good as far as understanding that part of the culture in the 60's and 70's. It was interesting, but not the best movie Ive ever seen.

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Tchau

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Adrianerik


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Well....how about this for a change in advertising.



I am now really curious.  Usually foreign movies have a local distributor and I am guessing it was their original opinion to use the couple at the beach scene.

Now....there is not one paper that uses the beach scene for advertisement ("propaganda"....love that word).  All use either the photo above or one depicting the large group fight at the end of the picture.

Isobel - I am going through your list one by one.  Just saw "Bicho de Sete Cabeças".  (I know that it's Argentinian).

I have several friends in Rio and Salvador interested in independent film-making (they don't like the images that is projected of them).

So I am trying to catch up on what has already been made.  

I am analyzing the images of Brazilian life and people in cinema where the pathological (abuse of drugs, violence, sex) or the spectacle of Brazilian culture is merely incidental to the human story of the Brazilians involved.

It is a battle that African-American cinema has fought since the early part of this century.  (I guess I should say last century....man...that is weird).  The early 1900's.
Oscar Micheaux was an early African-American filmmaker in the ''30s and ''40s with his own company and the images at that time showed the true human stories of African-Americans at that time.  Good and Bad (SCAR OF SHAME was a film about the color bigotry within the African-American community).

In the fifties and sixties we went through the 'grinning black folks in the ghetto' phase.  And then in the seventies there was the ''angry black folks in the ghetto'phase.

Current black cinema rarely tackles the serious issues that were raised in the forties and fifties but they do try to get away from the idea of life always being a 'reaction' to the outside world rather than a manifestation of internalized ideals, hopes and dreams (LOVE JONES, SOUL FOOD, BEST MAN, etc).

I am curious as to how Brazilians see the trend in Brazilians cinema....particularly in regards to the representation of the various economic classes.

I am looking for "Lavoura Arcaica".  

Peace

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Iverson


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I loved the movie , its tight .

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Macunaima


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And people think I'm exagerating when I say that North Americans can't conceive of Brazil without thinking of sex....

Good post Adrianerik. This ad about sez it all.

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Estudante de Ingles


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Adrianerik,

Bicho de Sete Cabeças is brazilian movie with Rodrigo Santoro.

Great movie.
Ah, see Buffo and Spallanzani, superb too.

Yours,
Estudante de Inglês.

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Adrianerik


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My bad.  I meant "Nine Queens" was Argentinian.

You're right Macunaima.  But you know that it's not just North Americans.  It affects (infects) the whole world.


Peace

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Estudante de Ingles


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GOD IS BRAZILIAN.


Os milagres são efeitos especiais de Deus

A. Jabor

Eu estava com medo de não gostar de "Deus é brasileiro". Pensava: "Esse
filme-fábula, 'de estrada', mostrando paisagens e povoados brasileiros, em
meio a este mundo pós-pós , sob o ritmo delirante das grandes produções
americanas de ação e porrada, sei não, esse filme pode estar na contramão,
fora de época...".

Também, como vários filmes brasileiros ótimos ("Cidade de Deus", "Edifício
Master", "Madame Satã" denunciaram fortemente nossas anomalias, narrados
com a fúria de "mise-en-scènes" vertiginosas, pensei que o filme de Cacá
talvez ficasse "leve demais".

Aí, fui ver o filme e, além de gostar, tive vontade de chorar e percebi: eu
estava com uma bruta saudade do Brasil e não sabia. "Deus é brasileiro" não
denuncia nada, não reclama de nada; apenas mostra a grande riqueza de nossa
pobreza, a discreta poesia de nossas precariedades, a beleza humana de
"contradições" e atrasos que o progresso "moderno" condena como
"inferiores".

Há muitas maneiras de se amar um país. Alguns amam seus países com febre e
orgulho, com arrogância bélica, com arrancos sanguíneos de patriotas. Mas
há uma maneira de amar o Brasil que é mais frugal, mais carinhosa,
sossegada, mesmo na contemplação de nossos defeitos, compreendendo a
poética do atraso, como só grandes escritores, músicos e cineastas sacam,
como Guimarães Rosa, que recusou generalizações políticas e descobriu a
psicologia dos campos gerais e de seus "miguilins", como Tom Jobim entre
passarinhos e florestas e, no cinema, Cacá Diegues, que sempre amou a
pátria não como mãe, mas como filha, tão humilde, tão pobrezinha, tão
desamparada... Por isso, vi o filme e percebi que estava morrendo de
saudade do Brasil, saudade das beiras de rio, das canoas furadas, dos azuis
de anil tosco, dos rosas desmaiados nas fachadas das casinhas, das músicas
toscas, da linguagem errada dos falantes, da paisagem como personagem. E,
mais ainda, estava com saudade do ritmo brasileiro de narrar, saudade do
"era uma vez", do "então", do "aí", do ritmo narrativo que flui da lentidão
da cultura sem alfabeto, das estradas sem condução, do ritmo que não
obedece às leis do espetáculo mercantil. "Deus é brasileiro" tem o canto de
um "causo" contado, tem as hesitações do papeador da vendinha da beira da
estrada. Aí reside sua beleza.

O ritmo americano que tomou o mundo, no cinema e no cotidiano, quer nos
dominar tanto quanto as bombas de Bush, nosso Hitler globalizado. Trata-se
de um ritmo paranóico e ansioso que não deixa buraco para nenhuma reflexão,
nenhum vazio, pois no vazio pode entrar a liberdade e a discordância. É
preciso que nada pare, que ninguém se livre da enxurrada das receitas e
certezas que nos empurram: a otimização, a eficiência, a rapidez dos fluxos
de capital. Esse ritmo não invade apenas os bancos e o mercado. Invade
nosso tempo para amar, para ler, para não fazer nada. O tempo nos é imposto
como uma obrigação produtiva. O ritmo é a mensagem. "Deus é brasileiro" nos
devolve o tempo que nos roubaram.

O conjunto dos atores também emociona. Temos Antônio Fagundes, o prodigioso
suporte para qualquer personagem, temos a participação de lendas vivas do
Cinema Novo, como o grande Hugo Carvana, inventor de um estilo, como
Castrinho, filho da chanchada e do teatro de revista, como o Stepan
Nercessian, outro inventor de tipos brasileiros. E temos os jovens atores
como os malazartianos Wagner Moura e Bruce Gomlevski, iluminados pela
beleza de Paloma Duarte e da inteligência que faísca em seus olhos.

Finalmente, apesar da sabotagem de oportunistas e/ou ignorantes radicais da
esquerda burra ou de provocações de jornalistas militantes imaginários, o
filme tem um parentesco com o tempo de esperanca que começa com o governo
Lula, que, depois de oito anos de oposição albanesa ou coreana, parece ter
entendido que a adesão às causas do Brasil pode ser feita não através de
vinganças, rupturas e ressentimentos - mas de integração e tolerância. A
expressão "paz e amor" é muito mais profunda que um slogan de campanha.

Creio que o PT compreendeu que o país precisa de um olhar de amor, de paz,
para reencontrar nosso ritmo, nossos rostos, nossa cultura. Lula e o PT
parecem ter entendido que, com nossa tradição autocrática e oligárquica, o
regime mais revolucionário no Brasil é a democracia. Ela, por si só,
ajudará a corroer nossa tradições corruptas, injustas e arrogantes, pois
democracia é o amor à diferença. E o filme de Cacá é premonitório, pois nos
fala da tolerância para nossas imperfeições, fala que o verdadeiro milagre
brasileiro não é feito de mercados a pleno vapor, mas que milagre de
verdade é a sobrevivência cultural desse povo, debaixo de 400 anos de
exploradores.

E apesar de falar do tosco, o filme é de rara qualidade tecnológica:
Super-35mm, som dolby digital incrível, computação nas trucagens perfeitas,
mas tudo a serviço de uma poética brasileira. Surgem efeitos especiais
tropicais - não são foguetes espaciais que se chocam, nem homens-aranha
voando, nem supermetralhadoras fálicas, mas toda a técnica moderna criando
o milagre dos peixes, das flores, das cachoeiras, de Paloma flutuando nas
ruas.

O cinema, desde sua invenção, sempre foi uma busca de milagre, tentando
apreender o mistério do real no nitrato de prata. "Deus é brasileiro" nos
mostra que somos um milagre. E os milagres são os efeitos especiais de Deus.












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Adrianerik


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Just saw Grand Central.  Okay, okay....I cried.

This was the third or fourth Brazilian child actor who stole the movie.  

Does anyone know the time period of this movie.  (60s, 70s, etc).

I know that there are areas of great illiteracy in Brazil.  This phenomenon of 'letter writers' for people.  Is that still a big need in these areas?

Peac

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Macunaima


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I've never seen any letter writers at today's Central Station, so I would assume that it was set in the early '80s, perhaps.

However, illiteracy is huge in Brazil, so I would imagine that this service still exists, especially in backwoods Brazil. In Sampa and Rio, the need is less as - if nothing else- our public educational system does teach SOME basic skills, if imperfectly.

Even literate Brazilian's written Portuguese sucks, however. It's a hard language to write in! I make errors, but I also catch a lot of my colleagues' errors, for all that I'm not a native speaker.

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