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Subject: Brazilian Pride In America


Posted by Elvis
On Friday, July 26, 2002 at 00:01:20

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I am trying to picture this in my mind: Brazil just lost the world cup soccer. America won, hypothetically speaking. A bunch of illegal americans (and legals) hit the streets of Brazil with American flags flaring patriotism, shouting U.S.A, U.S.A., U.S.A., everyone wrapped in flags, Ronaldinho super cuts hairstyle, etc., honking their horns, dancing, shouting..etc. How would the Brazilian people on the street react to that?
Well, to say the least, if in RIO, they would be shot and killed or beat up by the mobs. In SP, same. In the northeast, they would be lynched. Yet in America, most Brazilians think it's perfectly all right to hang a garage door size Brazilian flag on their door/house and Americans, are just supposed to be impressed just because the Constitution allows it? I am just trying to understand the logic behind this type of behaviour not only in relationship to soccer but other activities as well, such as blaring samba music or some other shitty music (like our rap crap) in an apartment complex after 10-11pm. when civil people are trying to sleep, or have their babies in bed, etc.
I know this CANNOT possibly represent Brazil. I've been there many times and I know that there is another side of Brazil people here don't see. The educated people running businesses, high end schools, TV stations, Radio, Media, etc. who seem to have a much better clue and finesse than the ones I have run into here. Is there a reason why more educated and civil people don't immigrate to America instead of rude, no-effort-to learn English types, obnoxious, defiant and
ill-mannered people who think that they can go to someone else's country and just stick it to them, without any respect for the patriotism of that country itself? Why doesn't Brazil send the U.S. the best of its citizens instead of the ones who only come here to bitch and bitch about everything and yet take advantage of what the United States has to offer? Bitch about Americans being cold, about our women being "terrible" this and that and yet find no fault with Brazil who uses billions of dollars our our tax money in the form of bailout loans? Why do so many Brazilians dwell on the "Americans are taking the Amazon" bull shit when most Americans and its Government either don't care or even know where the Amazon is? Brazil should be very proud of its soccer, its friendly people, its beautiful cities and its industry...but in every country, including the U.S., there is a lot of shit and undesirable people who were born and raised here...but we don't send them to other developed countries to bitch and moan about everything or to wave the American flag there. ANd please don't give me this bullshit about our Military bombing this or that because if it weren't for our military bases and efforts, you in Brazil and others around the world would not enjoy the peace that you enjoy without having some Bin Laden Shithead bomb your own cities and citizens - If it weren't for our high technology defending the U.S., Japan, Korea, Russia and other places, you'd have same crazy Sadam Hessein take over your land and ours! Or do you think they only want to destroy the U.S.A? Hitler wanted everything...These guys are no different. Enough on that 'cause I know there is always some dope head that will start a whole discourse on American World dominance, imperialism and all the babble talk to justify their point of views...

Why don't we see more of the people who truly represent Brazil for what it is instead of getting a bunch of losers here who want to make fun of Americans yet use our resources to either support themselves or their families back home?

I don't give a shit if you are rich or poor, black and white, but I am just wondering why you have to come here and bitch about our country if you don't like it? Why are you here? Go home.

Like they say in Brazil - "Brazil, ame-O, ou deixe-o" Why not apply that to The U.S.A. as well? Either love this country and be a contributor here or take a hike to whatever hole you crawled out of, whether it be Brazil, Mexico or Zimbabue. Either love America or take a hike, just like you'd say if you were living in Brazil.

RE: Brazilian Pride In America
Posted by Randy
On Friday, July 26, 2002 at 06:26:12

Message:
You have a lot of good points Elvis...especially foreigners coming to America and bitching about it. While I have never seen a Brazilian act this way...Mexicans do it all the time. And now they have this LULAC group that is getting like an Al Sharpton or Jesse Jackson and call everything racist and try to use this to get people to jump on their politically correct bandwagon! Luckily, ALL the Brazilians I have met here in the States have been as wonderful,nice,and fun as all the Brazilians I have met over the internet or through my work! VIVA BRASIL!!!

If I ever make it to Brazil, you can bet I am going to show them the respect they deserve. I will know the customs and speak Portuguese and not demand that all services be in Portuguese and English!
RE: Brazilian Pride In America
Posted by Elvis
On Friday, July 26, 2002 at 10:04:37

Message:
Well said. I think that most Brazilians are "great" people, "happy" people who just want to show their joy and zest for life to others. More so in Brazil. Everyone seems to be very welcome there. They are very hospitable. The message posted here was directed more to those who abuse the system - but in Rome do like the Romans.

I couldn't agree more on the Mexican issue...such as demanding that we have 2 languages. Why are they so special? There are hundreds of languages spoken here besides Spanish. Shouldn't they also get the same benefit?
So many come here illegally and then make ridiculous demands. But Mexicans are another issue that don't belong in a Brazilian Forum. At least most Brazilians don't demand services in Portuguese while living here. But not all Mexicans are this way. The ones with a clue are actually very productive in society and contribute greatly to this country's growth and industry.

Many come here, hate the place, then go back home just to realize that unless you are rich or well-to-do where you come from, you can't have the same lifestyle, easy credit you enjoy here working as a janitor. When you are rich, you can live well in many countries, including the U.S.

But my point is: America provides so much for so many, it's only fair that you love this country for what it is, what it stands for and what it does for you. Most people here are good hearted and tolerant. At least here, most people can go out on the streets and wave their foreign flag without being shot.

I must admit that culturally, the U.S. is somewhat behind in knowing geography. For example many Americans don't know where Brazil is. Most don't care where Brazil is or any other country.
They feel self-suficient here. They think they have everything they need here. They are self-contained here. Many can't or won't learn a foreign language because they think English is the only language you should know or lack the talent to learn a foreign language, which is another issue.

That's also very closed-minded on our part.

We're raised to think only in terms of U.S. We call ourselves Americans yet the Americas are North, Central and South and the only true Americans are the native Americans, the Indians. Same with Brazil. The rest are a mix, just like we are. Many are descendent from slaves, just like we are. Only Brazil has more of a mix of races than we do, resulting in a very beautiful people with many skin colors, with different dialects and customs.

We have very little or poor knowledge of other cultures. Mostly because we haven't needed to learn about others, which is a shame. We have stereotypes about other people just like they do of us. All Mexicans don't look like the cooks you see at the restaurant or janitors...All Brazilians don't look or behave a certain way. All Brazilian women aren't "hot" and all AMerican women aren't "cold" or have flat bundas, big boobs and big feet and not all American men "don't know how to dress"- Chicago and New York are trend setters for "dress codes and fashion...There are plenty of nice looking people here, nice looking women with "feelings" and nice bodies,intelligence,etc.
Our women tend to be more emancipated and liberated and many have indentity issues and many have domination tendencies. That's a result of a capitalistic society designed to be competitive. Women were oppressed by men here for a long time, so now they have come out with their own statements. Brazil and other countries will follow if they haven't already. Many women in Brazil don't want to just be housewives and good cooks and be a sex symbol.They want an education, liberation and a place in the world. American women value independence and don't like to be told what to do by guys. The roles have changed dramatically in the last 2-3 decades. Most American women like to conquer more than be conquered so Romeos out there might have a hard time getting dates...

Many people say..."American women are dumb" or "Not good in Bed" etc. What a bunch of crap. It's like saying that all Brazilian women are smart and good in bed! Please. Some say AMerican males and females are "cold" with their feelings. Having control of your emotions should not be translated as "being cold" - Americans cry when people die or suffer, they bleed when you cut and they died valiantly when necessary. They love their children, just like others do.M Many simply don't know HOW to show their emotions because our society is not too "touchy, feely" like others are. Capitalism does it to countries. Most people in developed countries tend to behave a little on the "indifferent" or give the appearance of being "cold", socially and individually.

My generalizations maybe wrong because it's never good to generalize but, for the most part, many people might agree wiht some of these statements. Obviously there is plenty of good, exciting sex going on here or else we wouldn't have a population this size..some 240 Million people strong...

Many Brazilians seem to despise a fellow Brazilian lady or guy who marry an American as if an act of treason was committed and vice- versa. How stupid is that? Many Brazilian ladies are on the look out for a green card and will pick up the first U.S. nerd that comes along. Many American males who otherwise couldn't get a good looking girl for a wife in a lifetime, find that in Brazil they can date, and often marry a gorgeous Brazilian woman and vice-versa. Others simply marry for true love, others are totally "odd couples" which obviosly didn't marry for the right reasons.

These are stereotypes and some I am guitly of myself just like you. Some true, some untrue. Just because one doesn't dance the samba, doesn't mean they are "cold". I am sure they dance the samba very well in Africa and that doesn't mean that all Brazilians are of African descent and it doesn't mean that one race is better than another. White is not better than dark and not all black people are good at sports.

IF people only realized that if it weren't for the strong dollar in foreign markets or the military we have, the world would not have a great nation to help them in time of need, whether it benefits us financially or not.
There are plenty of Saddam Husseins out there ready to take over the world and the United States, along with other powerful nations that are willing to spend the money it takes to fight a war, take the leadership. Many Americans have died in wars that have nothing to do with the U.S. so the rest of the world can avoid terrorism and enjoy peace. Love America so that your World Trade Centers aren't get destroyed by lunatics and realize how much this country does for you and your countries. It's when people don't honor America, that I get pissed off.


RE: Brazilian Pride In America
Posted by Elvis
On Friday, July 26, 2002 at 10:04:57

Message:
Well said. I think that most Brazilians are "great" people, "happy" people who just want to show their joy and zest for life to others. More so in Brazil. Everyone seems to be very welcome there. They are very hospitable. The message posted here was directed more to those who abuse the system - but in Rome do like the Romans.

I couldn't agree more on the Mexican issue...such as demanding that we have 2 languages. Why are they so special? There are hundreds of languages spoken here besides Spanish. Shouldn't they also get the same benefit?
So many come here illegally and then make ridiculous demands. But Mexicans are another issue that don't belong in a Brazilian Forum. At least most Brazilians don't demand services in Portuguese while living here. But not all Mexicans are this way. The ones with a clue are actually very productive in society and contribute greatly to this country's growth and industry.

Many come here, hate the place, then go back home just to realize that unless you are rich or well-to-do where you come from, you can't have the same lifestyle, easy credit you enjoy here working as a janitor. When you are rich, you can live well in many countries, including the U.S.

But my point is: America provides so much for so many, it's only fair that you love this country for what it is, what it stands for and what it does for you. Most people here are good hearted and tolerant. At least here, most people can go out on the streets and wave their foreign flag without being shot.

I must admit that culturally, the U.S. is somewhat behind in knowing geography. For example many Americans don't know where Brazil is. Most don't care where Brazil is or any other country.
They feel self-suficient here. They think they have everything they need here. They are self-contained here. Many can't or won't learn a foreign language because they think English is the only language you should know or lack the talent to learn a foreign language, which is another issue.

That's also very closed-minded on our part.

We're raised to think only in terms of U.S. We call ourselves Americans yet the Americas are North, Central and South and the only true Americans are the native Americans, the Indians. Same with Brazil. The rest are a mix, just like we are. Many are descendent from slaves, just like we are. Only Brazil has more of a mix of races than we do, resulting in a very beautiful people with many skin colors, with different dialects and customs.

We have very little or poor knowledge of other cultures. Mostly because we haven't needed to learn about others, which is a shame. We have stereotypes about other people just like they do of us. All Mexicans don't look like the cooks you see at the restaurant or janitors...All Brazilians don't look or behave a certain way. All Brazilian women aren't "hot" and all AMerican women aren't "cold" or have flat bundas, big boobs and big feet and not all American men "don't know how to dress"- Chicago and New York are trend setters for "dress codes and fashion...There are plenty of nice looking people here, nice looking women with "feelings" and nice bodies,intelligence,etc.
Our women tend to be more emancipated and liberated and many have indentity issues and many have domination tendencies. That's a result of a capitalistic society designed to be competitive. Women were oppressed by men here for a long time, so now they have come out with their own statements. Brazil and other countries will follow if they haven't already. Many women in Brazil don't want to just be housewives and good cooks and be a sex symbol.They want an education, liberation and a place in the world. American women value independence and don't like to be told what to do by guys. The roles have changed dramatically in the last 2-3 decades. Most American women like to conquer more than be conquered so Romeos out there might have a hard time getting dates...

Many people say..."American women are dumb" or "Not good in Bed" etc. What a bunch of crap. It's like saying that all Brazilian women are smart and good in bed! Please. Some say AMerican males and females are "cold" with their feelings. Having control of your emotions should not be translated as "being cold" - Americans cry when people die or suffer, they bleed when you cut and they died valiantly when necessary. They love their children, just like others do.M Many simply don't know HOW to show their emotions because our society is not too "touchy, feely" like others are. Capitalism does it to countries. Most people in developed countries tend to behave a little on the "indifferent" or give the appearance of being "cold", socially and individually.

My generalizations maybe wrong because it's never good to generalize but, for the most part, many people might agree wiht some of these statements. Obviously there is plenty of good, exciting sex going on here or else we wouldn't have a population this size..some 240 Million people strong...

Many Brazilians seem to despise a fellow Brazilian lady or guy who marry an American as if an act of treason was committed and vice- versa. How stupid is that? Many Brazilian ladies are on the look out for a green card and will pick up the first U.S. nerd that comes along. Many American males who otherwise couldn't get a good looking girl for a wife in a lifetime, find that in Brazil they can date, and often marry a gorgeous Brazilian woman and vice-versa. Others simply marry for true love, others are totally "odd couples" which obviosly didn't marry for the right reasons.

These are stereotypes and some I am guitly of myself just like you. Some true, some untrue. Just because one doesn't dance the samba, doesn't mean they are "cold". I am sure they dance the samba very well in Africa and that doesn't mean that all Brazilians are of African descent and it doesn't mean that one race is better than another. White is not better than dark and not all black people are good at sports.

IF people only realized that if it weren't for the strong dollar in foreign markets or the military we have, the world would not have a great nation to help them in time of need, whether it benefits us financially or not.
There are plenty of Saddam Husseins out there ready to take over the world and the United States, along with other powerful nations that are willing to spend the money it takes to fight a war, take the leadership. Many Americans have died in wars that have nothing to do with the U.S. so the rest of the world can avoid terrorism and enjoy peace. Love America so that your World Trade Centers aren't get destroyed by lunatics and realize how much this country does for you and your countries. It's when people don't honor America, that I get pissed off.


RE: Brazilian Pride In America
Posted by Elvis
On Friday, July 26, 2002 at 10:05:43

Message:
Well said. I think that most Brazilians are "great" people, "happy" people who just want to show their joy and zest for life to others. More so in Brazil. Everyone seems to be very welcome there. They are very hospitable. The message posted here was directed more to those who abuse the system - but in Rome do like the Romans.

I couldn't agree more on the Mexican issue...such as demanding that we have 2 languages. Why are they so special? There are hundreds of languages spoken here besides Spanish. Shouldn't they also get the same benefit?
So many come here illegally and then make ridiculous demands. But Mexicans are another issue that don't belong in a Brazilian Forum. At least most Brazilians don't demand services in Portuguese while living here. But not all Mexicans are this way. The ones with a clue are actually very productive in society and contribute greatly to this country's growth and industry.

Many come here, hate the place, then go back home just to realize that unless you are rich or well-to-do where you come from, you can't have the same lifestyle, easy credit you enjoy here working as a janitor. When you are rich, you can live well in many countries, including the U.S.

But my point is: America provides so much for so many, it's only fair that you love this country for what it is, what it stands for and what it does for you. Most people here are good hearted and tolerant. At least here, most people can go out on the streets and wave their foreign flag without being shot.

I must admit that culturally, the U.S. is somewhat behind in knowing geography. For example many Americans don't know where Brazil is. Most don't care where Brazil is or any other country.
They feel self-suficient here. They think they have everything they need here. They are self-contained here. Many can't or won't learn a foreign language because they think English is the only language you should know or lack the talent to learn a foreign language, which is another issue.

That's also very closed-minded on our part.

We're raised to think only in terms of U.S. We call ourselves Americans yet the Americas are North, Central and South and the only true Americans are the native Americans, the Indians. Same with Brazil. The rest are a mix, just like we are. Many are descendent from slaves, just like we are. Only Brazil has more of a mix of races than we do, resulting in a very beautiful people with many skin colors, with different dialects and customs.

We have very little or poor knowledge of other cultures. Mostly because we haven't needed to learn about others, which is a shame. We have stereotypes about other people just like they do of us. All Mexicans don't look like the cooks you see at the restaurant or janitors...All Brazilians don't look or behave a certain way. All Brazilian women aren't "hot" and all AMerican women aren't "cold" or have flat bundas, big boobs and big feet and not all American men "don't know how to dress"- Chicago and New York are trend setters for "dress codes and fashion...There are plenty of nice looking people here, nice looking women with "feelings" and nice bodies,intelligence,etc.
Our women tend to be more emancipated and liberated and many have indentity issues and many have domination tendencies. That's a result of a capitalistic society designed to be competitive. Women were oppressed by men here for a long time, so now they have come out with their own statements. Brazil and other countries will follow if they haven't already. Many women in Brazil don't want to just be housewives and good cooks and be a sex symbol.They want an education, liberation and a place in the world. American women value independence and don't like to be told what to do by guys. The roles have changed dramatically in the last 2-3 decades. Most American women like to conquer more than be conquered so Romeos out there might have a hard time getting dates...

Many people say..."American women are dumb" or "Not good in Bed" etc. What a bunch of crap. It's like saying that all Brazilian women are smart and good in bed! Please. Some say AMerican males and females are "cold" with their feelings. Having control of your emotions should not be translated as "being cold" - Americans cry when people die or suffer, they bleed when you cut and they died valiantly when necessary. They love their children, just like others do.M Many simply don't know HOW to show their emotions because our society is not too "touchy, feely" like others are. Capitalism does it to countries. Most people in developed countries tend to behave a little on the "indifferent" or give the appearance of being "cold", socially and individually.

My generalizations maybe wrong because it's never good to generalize but, for the most part, many people might agree wiht some of these statements. Obviously there is plenty of good, exciting sex going on here or else we wouldn't have a population this size..some 240 Million people strong...

Many Brazilians seem to despise a fellow Brazilian lady or guy who marry an American as if an act of treason was committed and vice- versa. How stupid is that? Many Brazilian ladies are on the look out for a green card and will pick up the first U.S. nerd that comes along. Many American males who otherwise couldn't get a good looking girl for a wife in a lifetime, find that in Brazil they can date, and often marry a gorgeous Brazilian woman and vice-versa. Others simply marry for true love, others are totally "odd couples" which obviosly didn't marry for the right reasons.

These are stereotypes and some I am guitly of myself just like you. Some true, some untrue. Just because one doesn't dance the samba, doesn't mean they are "cold". I am sure they dance the samba very well in Africa and that doesn't mean that all Brazilians are of African descent and it doesn't mean that one race is better than another. White is not better than dark and not all black people are good at sports.

IF people only realized that if it weren't for the strong dollar in foreign markets or the military we have, the world would not have a great nation to help them in time of need, whether it benefits us financially or not.
There are plenty of Saddam Husseins out there ready to take over the world and the United States, along with other powerful nations that are willing to spend the money it takes to fight a war, take the leadership. Many Americans have died in wars that have nothing to do with the U.S. so the rest of the world can avoid terrorism and enjoy peace. Love America so that your World Trade Centers aren't get destroyed by lunatics and realize how much this country does for you and your countries. It's when people don't honor America, that I get pissed off.

RE: Brazilian Pride In America
Posted by Elvis
On Friday, July 26, 2002 at 10:05:53

Message:
Well said. I think that most Brazilians are "great" people, "happy" people who just want to show their joy and zest for life to others. More so in Brazil. Everyone seems to be very welcome there. They are very hospitable. The message posted here was directed more to those who abuse the system - but in Rome do like the Romans.

I couldn't agree more on the Mexican issue...such as demanding that we have 2 languages. Why are they so special? There are hundreds of languages spoken here besides Spanish. Shouldn't they also get the same benefit?
So many come here illegally and then make ridiculous demands. But Mexicans are another issue that don't belong in a Brazilian Forum. At least most Brazilians don't demand services in Portuguese while living here. But not all Mexicans are this way. The ones with a clue are actually very productive in society and contribute greatly to this country's growth and industry.

Many come here, hate the place, then go back home just to realize that unless you are rich or well-to-do where you come from, you can't have the same lifestyle, easy credit you enjoy here working as a janitor. When you are rich, you can live well in many countries, including the U.S.

But my point is: America provides so much for so many, it's only fair that you love this country for what it is, what it stands for and what it does for you. Most people here are good hearted and tolerant. At least here, most people can go out on the streets and wave their foreign flag without being shot.

I must admit that culturally, the U.S. is somewhat behind in knowing geography. For example many Americans don't know where Brazil is. Most don't care where Brazil is or any other country.
They feel self-suficient here. They think they have everything they need here. They are self-contained here. Many can't or won't learn a foreign language because they think English is the only language you should know or lack the talent to learn a foreign language, which is another issue.

That's also very closed-minded on our part.

We're raised to think only in terms of U.S. We call ourselves Americans yet the Americas are North, Central and South and the only true Americans are the native Americans, the Indians. Same with Brazil. The rest are a mix, just like we are. Many are descendent from slaves, just like we are. Only Brazil has more of a mix of races than we do, resulting in a very beautiful people with many skin colors, with different dialects and customs.

We have very little or poor knowledge of other cultures. Mostly because we haven't needed to learn about others, which is a shame. We have stereotypes about other people just like they do of us. All Mexicans don't look like the cooks you see at the restaurant or janitors...All Brazilians don't look or behave a certain way. All Brazilian women aren't "hot" and all AMerican women aren't "cold" or have flat bundas, big boobs and big feet and not all American men "don't know how to dress"- Chicago and New York are trend setters for "dress codes and fashion...There are plenty of nice looking people here, nice looking women with "feelings" and nice bodies,intelligence,etc.
Our women tend to be more emancipated and liberated and many have indentity issues and many have domination tendencies. That's a result of a capitalistic society designed to be competitive. Women were oppressed by men here for a long time, so now they have come out with their own statements. Brazil and other countries will follow if they haven't already. Many women in Brazil don't want to just be housewives and good cooks and be a sex symbol.They want an education, liberation and a place in the world. American women value independence and don't like to be told what to do by guys. The roles have changed dramatically in the last 2-3 decades. Most American women like to conquer more than be conquered so Romeos out there might have a hard time getting dates...

Many people say..."American women are dumb" or "Not good in Bed" etc. What a bunch of crap. It's like saying that all Brazilian women are smart and good in bed! Please. Some say AMerican males and females are "cold" with their feelings. Having control of your emotions should not be translated as "being cold" - Americans cry when people die or suffer, they bleed when you cut and they died valiantly when necessary. They love their children, just like others do.M Many simply don't know HOW to show their emotions because our society is not too "touchy, feely" like others are. Capitalism does it to countries. Most people in developed countries tend to behave a little on the "indifferent" or give the appearance of being "cold", socially and individually.

My generalizations maybe wrong because it's never good to generalize but, for the most part, many people might agree wiht some of these statements. Obviously there is plenty of good, exciting sex going on here or else we wouldn't have a population this size..some 240 Million people strong...

Many Brazilians seem to despise a fellow Brazilian lady or guy who marry an American as if an act of treason was committed and vice- versa. How stupid is that? Many Brazilian ladies are on the look out for a green card and will pick up the first U.S. nerd that comes along. Many American males who otherwise couldn't get a good looking girl for a wife in a lifetime, find that in Brazil they can date, and often marry a gorgeous Brazilian woman and vice-versa. Others simply marry for true love, others are totally "odd couples" which obviosly didn't marry for the right reasons.

These are stereotypes and some I am guitly of myself just like you. Some true, some untrue. Just because one doesn't dance the samba, doesn't mean they are "cold". I am sure they dance the samba very well in Africa and that doesn't mean that all Brazilians are of African descent and it doesn't mean that one race is better than another. White is not better than dark and not all black people are good at sports.

IF people only realized that if it weren't for the strong dollar in foreign markets or the military we have, the world would not have a great nation to help them in time of need, whether it benefits us financially or not.
There are plenty of Saddam Husseins out there ready to take over the world and the United States, along with other powerful nations that are willing to spend the money it takes to fight a war, take the leadership. Many Americans have died in wars that have nothing to do with the U.S. so the rest of the world can avoid terrorism and enjoy peace. Love America so that your World Trade Centers aren't get destroyed by lunatics and realize how much this country does for you and your countries. It's when people don't honor America, that I get pissed off.

RE: Brazilian Pride In America
Posted by Elvis
On Friday, July 26, 2002 at 10:08:13

Message:
Well said. I think that most Brazilians are "great" people, "happy" people who just want to show their joy and zest for life to others. More so in Brazil. Everyone seems to be very welcome there. They are very hospitable. The message posted here was directed more to those who abuse the system - but in Rome do like the Romans.

I couldn't agree more on the Mexican issue...such as demanding that we have 2 languages. Why are they so special? There are hundreds of languages spoken here besides Spanish. Shouldn't they also get the same benefit?
So many come here illegally and then make ridiculous demands. But Mexicans are another issue that don't belong in a Brazilian Forum. At least most Brazilians don't demand services in Portuguese while living here. But not all Mexicans are this way. The ones with a clue are actually very productive in society and contribute greatly to this country's growth and industry.

Many come here, hate the place, then go back home just to realize that unless you are rich or well-to-do where you come from, you can't have the same lifestyle, easy credit you enjoy here working as a janitor. When you are rich, you can live well in many countries, including the U.S.

But my point is: America provides so much for so many, it's only fair that you love this country for what it is, what it stands for and what it does for you. Most people here are good hearted and tolerant. At least here, most people can go out on the streets and wave their foreign flag without being shot.

I must admit that culturally, the U.S. is somewhat behind in knowing geography. For example many Americans don't know where Brazil is. Most don't care where Brazil is or any other country.
They feel self-suficient here. They think they have everything they need here. They are self-contained here. Many can't or won't learn a foreign language because they think English is the only language you should know or lack the talent to learn a foreign language, which is another issue.

That's also very closed-minded on our part.

We're raised to think only in terms of U.S. We call ourselves Americans yet the Americas are North, Central and South and the only true Americans are the native Americans, the Indians. Same with Brazil. The rest are a mix, just like we are. Many are descendent from slaves, just like we are. Only Brazil has more of a mix of races than we do, resulting in a very beautiful people with many skin colors, with different dialects and customs.

We have very little or poor knowledge of other cultures. Mostly because we haven't needed to learn about others, which is a shame. We have stereotypes about other people just like they do of us. All Mexicans don't look like the cooks you see at the restaurant or janitors...All Brazilians don't look or behave a certain way. All Brazilian women aren't "hot" and all AMerican women aren't "cold" or have flat bundas, big boobs and big feet and not all American men "don't know how to dress"- Chicago and New York are trend setters for "dress codes and fashion...There are plenty of nice looking people here, nice looking women with "feelings" and nice bodies,intelligence,etc.
Our women tend to be more emancipated and liberated and many have indentity issues and many have domination tendencies. That's a result of a capitalistic society designed to be competitive. Women were oppressed by men here for a long time, so now they have come out with their own statements. Brazil and other countries will follow if they haven't already. Many women in Brazil don't want to just be housewives and good cooks and be a sex symbol.They want an education, liberation and a place in the world. American women value independence and don't like to be told what to do by guys. The roles have changed dramatically in the last 2-3 decades. Most American women like to conquer more than be conquered so Romeos out there might have a hard time getting dates...

Many people say..."American women are dumb" or "Not good in Bed" etc. What a bunch of crap. It's like saying that all Brazilian women are smart and good in bed! Please. Some say AMerican males and females are "cold" with their feelings. Having control of your emotions should not be translated as "being cold" - Americans cry when people die or suffer, they bleed when you cut and they died valiantly when necessary. They love their children, just like others do.M Many simply don't know HOW to show their emotions because our society is not too "touchy, feely" like others are. Capitalism does it to countries. Most people in developed countries tend to behave a little on the "indifferent" or give the appearance of being "cold", socially and individually.

My generalizations maybe wrong because it's never good to generalize but, for the most part, many people might agree wiht some of these statements. Obviously there is plenty of good, exciting sex going on here or else we wouldn't have a population this size..some 240 Million people strong...

Many Brazilians seem to despise a fellow Brazilian lady or guy who marry an American as if an act of treason was committed and vice- versa. How stupid is that? Many Brazilian ladies are on the look out for a green card and will pick up the first U.S. nerd that comes along. Many American males who otherwise couldn't get a good looking girl for a wife in a lifetime, find that in Brazil they can date, and often marry a gorgeous Brazilian woman and vice-versa. Others simply marry for true love, others are totally "odd couples" which obviosly didn't marry for the right reasons.

These are stereotypes and some I am guitly of myself just like you. Some true, some untrue. Just because one doesn't dance the samba, doesn't mean they are "cold". I am sure they dance the samba very well in Africa and that doesn't mean that all Brazilians are of African descent and it doesn't mean that one race is better than another. White is not better than dark and not all black people are good at sports.

IF people only realized that if it weren't for the strong dollar in foreign markets or the military we have, the world would not have a great nation to help them in time of need, whether it benefits us financially or not.
There are plenty of Saddam Husseins out there ready to take over the world and the United States, along with other powerful nations that are willing to spend the money it takes to fight a war, take the leadership. Many Americans have died in wars that have nothing to do with the U.S. so the rest of the world can avoid terrorism and enjoy peace. Love America so that your World Trade Centers aren't get destroyed by lunatics and realize how much this country does for you and your countries. It's when people don't honor America, that I get pissed off.

RE: Brazilian Pride In America
Posted by Elvis
On Friday, July 26, 2002 at 10:09:32

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Well said. I think that most Brazilians are "great" people, "happy" people who just want to show their joy and zest for life to others. More so in Brazil. Everyone seems to be very welcome there. They are very hospitable. The message posted here was directed more to those who abuse the system - but in Rome do like the Romans.

I couldn't agree more on the Mexican issue...such as demanding that we have 2 languages. Why are they so special? There are hundreds of languages spoken here besides Spanish. Shouldn't they also get the same benefit?
So many come here illegally and then make ridiculous demands. But Mexicans are another issue that don't belong in a Brazilian Forum. At least most Brazilians don't demand services in Portuguese while living here. But not all Mexicans are this way. The ones with a clue are actually very productive in society and contribute greatly to this country's growth and industry.

Many come here, hate the place, then go back home just to realize that unless you are rich or well-to-do where you come from, you can't have the same lifestyle, easy credit you enjoy here working as a janitor. When you are rich, you can live well in many countries, including the U.S.

But my point is: America provides so much for so many, it's only fair that you love this country for what it is, what it stands for and what it does for you. Most people here are good hearted and tolerant. At least here, most people can go out on the streets and wave their foreign flag without being shot.

I must admit that culturally, the U.S. is somewhat behind in knowing geography. For example many Americans don't know where Brazil is. Most don't care where Brazil is or any other country.
They feel self-suficient here. They think they have everything they need here. They are self-contained here. Many can't or won't learn a foreign language because they think English is the only language you should know or lack the talent to learn a foreign language, which is another issue.

That's also very closed-minded on our part.

We're raised to think only in terms of U.S. We call ourselves Americans yet the Americas are North, Central and South and the only true Americans are the native Americans, the Indians. Same with Brazil. The rest are a mix, just like we are. Many are descendent from slaves, just like we are. Only Brazil has more of a mix of races than we do, resulting in a very beautiful people with many skin colors, with different dialects and customs.

We have very little or poor knowledge of other cultures. Mostly because we haven't needed to learn about others, which is a shame. We have stereotypes about other people just like they do of us. All Mexicans don't look like the cooks you see at the restaurant or janitors...All Brazilians don't look or behave a certain way. All Brazilian women aren't "hot" and all AMerican women aren't "cold" or have flat bundas, big boobs and big feet and not all American men "don't know how to dress"- Chicago and New York are trend setters for "dress codes and fashion...There are plenty of nice looking people here, nice looking women with "feelings" and nice bodies,intelligence,etc.
Our women tend to be more emancipated and liberated and many have indentity issues and many have domination tendencies. That's a result of a capitalistic society designed to be competitive. Women were oppressed by men here for a long time, so now they have come out with their own statements. Brazil and other countries will follow if they haven't already. Many women in Brazil don't want to just be housewives and good cooks and be a sex symbol.They want an education, liberation and a place in the world. American women value independence and don't like to be told what to do by guys. The roles have changed dramatically in the last 2-3 decades. Most American women like to conquer more than be conquered so Romeos out there might have a hard time getting dates...

Many people say..."American women are dumb" or "Not good in Bed" etc. What a bunch of crap. It's like saying that all Brazilian women are smart and good in bed! Please. Some say AMerican males and females are "cold" with their feelings. Having control of your emotions should not be translated as "being cold" - Americans cry when people die or suffer, they bleed when you cut and they died valiantly when necessary. They love their children, just like others do.M Many simply don't know HOW to show their emotions because our society is not too "touchy, feely" like others are. Capitalism does it to countries. Most people in developed countries tend to behave a little on the "indifferent" or give the appearance of being "cold", socially and individually.

My generalizations maybe wrong because it's never good to generalize but, for the most part, many people might agree wiht some of these statements. Obviously there is plenty of good, exciting sex going on here or else we wouldn't have a population this size..some 240 Million people strong...

Many Brazilians seem to despise a fellow Brazilian lady or guy who marry an American as if an act of treason was committed and vice- versa. How stupid is that? Many Brazilian ladies are on the look out for a green card and will pick up the first U.S. nerd that comes along. Many American males who otherwise couldn't get a good looking girl for a wife in a lifetime, find that in Brazil they can date, and often marry a gorgeous Brazilian woman and vice-versa. Others simply marry for true love, others are totally "odd couples" which obviosly didn't marry for the right reasons.

These are stereotypes and some I am guitly of myself just like you. Some true, some untrue. Just because one doesn't dance the samba, doesn't mean they are "cold". I am sure they dance the samba very well in Africa and that doesn't mean that all Brazilians are of African descent and it doesn't mean that one race is better than another. White is not better than dark and not all black people are good at sports.

IF people only realized that if it weren't for the strong dollar in foreign markets or the military we have, the world would not have a great nation to help them in time of need, whether it benefits us financially or not.
There are plenty of Saddam Husseins out there ready to take over the world and the United States, along with other powerful nations that are willing to spend the money it takes to fight a war, take the leadership. Many Americans have died in wars that have nothing to do with the U.S. so the rest of the world can avoid terrorism and enjoy peace. Love America so that your World Trade Centers aren't get destroyed by lunatics and realize how much this country does for you and your countries. It's when people don't honor America, that I get pissed off.

RE: Brazilian Pride In America
Posted by Boris
On Friday, July 26, 2002 at 11:17:00

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Elvis,

After you post, go back to Forum and do a 'Refresh'. The set up of this Message Board is very confusing and it often appears as if you message didn't get through (error message and all) while in reality it did. It is a very crude technique, but it will let you avoid reposting your message over and over.

I agree with a lot of the things you've said, but your pet peeve in the first post appears to be about Brazilians celebrating World Cup victory with flags and parties in the States... I do not see anything wrong with it. I can bet you that the same type of celebration was taking place in any country where even one Brazilian happened to be present. Besides, have you heard of losing graciously?
RE: Brazilian Pride In America
Posted by egads
On Saturday, July 27, 2002 at 14:17:59

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elvis is a blowhard! too boring to even wade through his nonsense...
RE: Brazilian Pride In America
Posted by D.J.
On Monday, July 29, 2002 at 09:13:02

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Elvis, Wake-up, smell the coffee, put on your blue suede shoes, and go out and see the world!!
RE: Brazilian Pride In America
Posted by Pork_Chop_1
On Monday, July 29, 2002 at 11:52:23

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Elvis, you make some good points, but are possibly making some invalid assumptions.

Firstly, Brasil did not defeat the US in the world cup final, nor even play the USA at all in this cup. And if that were the case I think that most Brasilians (excepting those few deranged fans), would probably be more circumspect in their celebrations. The celebrations would probably be somewhat more like what happened in England after the QF's: celebrationg inside their own clubs. There were some public celebrations in England by Brasilians, but they were the exception rather than the rule.

As for "blaring shitty music, or some other crappy music" as you call it, well beauty in music is in the ear of the beholder, isn't it? I myself don't like 'samba' music, but love bossa nova, which is recognized as one of the great genres of music, internationally. Maybe what you were hearing was actually bossa nova and are confused.

As for why doesn't Brasil send the US the best of its citizens, instead of the uneducated and ill-manered: Brasil doesn't 'send' anybody to the US, they choose to go. Why would the rich and/or famous leave Brasil for the US, when they already have it so good back home, I ask you? So they can become janitors or waiters because the American medical establishment doesn't recognize their meical degrees from Brasil? That's not the way the world works, amigo. As a matter of fact, some well off business people do go to US and other places. In fact, I was just reading a news story a month ago in which some rising Brasilian supertar banker for CitiBank or some such moved to Boston, was there for 5 years, but decided to move back to Brasil because he missed the Brasilien lifestyle. I guess you just can't beat that Brasilian lifestyle! Especially when you have the wherewithall to enjoy it.

The point is, the American motto is(paraphrasing): "bring me your poor, your tired, your huddled masses yearning to be free."
Well, I guess if you ask for the scum of the earth, that's exactly what you're going to get.
And it's always been thus. At the turn of the century there were riots between Irish, Italians, Poles, what have you. Go see Scorsese's new film, "The Gangs of New York" when it comes out. You'll see exactly what it was like. It hasn't changed. It's only through succeeding generations the the offspring of Immigrants become Ámericanized'.

During the Roman Empire lots of people from the surrounding areas also flooded into Rome, simply because it was the richest, most dazzling place in the world. Maybe that's what caused the fall of the Roman Empire, who knows. But that's just the nature of things my freind.
RE: Brazilian Pride In America
Posted by Randy
On Wednesday, July 31, 2002 at 06:33:26

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See? This is the crap I am talking about. Nothing against Vietnemese, but shit, if you are going to live in the US...learn ENGLISH! Instead, the english speaking tax payers are going to have to foot the bill for ANOTHER damn language on a ballot to vote in the USA!!!! Ridiculous. I can't imagine going to Vietnam or Brazil and demanding that the ballot be written in a foreign language! I would take it upon myself to get off my lazy ass and learn the language of the country I am making a living in!!!

Copied from the Houston Chronicle today:
The U.S. Department of Justice has ordered Harris County to begin providing Vietnamese-language ballots and voting material, starting in November.

Anybody else think this is ridiculous? We already have to foot the bill to have it printed in Spanish!
RE: Brazilian Pride In America
Posted by Pork_Chop_1
On Wednesday, July 31, 2002 at 12:33:48

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Randy, you are being hysterical and ridiculous.

What you mentioned above is just the price that must be paid for living in a democracy. The thing is, Vietnamese and Spanish speakers also pay taxes and vote. So politicians have to listen to them. If there were enough English speaking immigrants and citizens in Brasil, they would also probably demand the same kind of things you describe above, and get them; Brasil is, after all, a democracy, and politicians HAVE to listen to their constituents or get booted out.

Anyways, if it bothers you so much, then you have the option, along with like-minded fellows to get propositions put through in elections to outlaw such things, and to vote for politicians that are against such initiatives that bug you so much. That is your democratic right. So get with the program and quit your whining!


RE: Brazilian Pride In America
Posted by Randy
On Thursday, August 01, 2002 at 06:42:04

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Gee Pork, do you believe the people that don't understand english are paying their taxes? Are you naive or just stupid?

Sorry Pork, but if I lived in Brasil, I would take it upon myself to learn the language..not demand the govt bend to my will. A democracy is there to enable the people..not serve them like a dog.

Pork you are not very bright...I guess that is why you don't get the point. With the political correctness going on in this country it is impossible to get something passed like what you want. You sound like on of those bleeding heart liberals...that think the govt should put out a hand to help everyone.
RE: Brazilian Pride In America
Posted by EU
On Friday, August 02, 2002 at 05:26:14

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In brazil if you are a bit smart or well educated
you don't want to live there because you have a good life there (you wont change a job in a bank a god job for clener ou restaurant job, even they paying you much more)
most of the people that are outside brazil are de scoria of brazil (crap) they are loser in brazil they go to ameria japan, because the losers there are well treated..
RE: Brazilian Pride In America
Posted by Reality Check
On Friday, August 02, 2002 at 06:06:12

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RE: Brazilian Pride In America
Posted by Big Brother
On Saturday, August 03, 2002 at 10:07:38

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I think it's like this:

1. In Brazil, do like the Brazilians
2. In America, learn English
3. In Brazil, enjoy life to the fullest
4. In America, learn how to live well
5. In Brazil, enjoy the good things
6. In America, enjoy the good things

I just found out the other day that the Statue of Liberty was donated to us by France. So we have an imported statue of Liberty. Isn't that something?
My opinion, is that with so many immigrants here now, American will forever change its looks.
But if you left your country to live here and try to better your life, why spend your life BITCHING and MOANING about everything that's wrong with the american people? Why not take a look at your own selves and see what might be wrong with you and your own attitude?
Brazil is a great country. Great people. But like in America, they have their stupid idiots just like we do. They have the damn losers that go out raping and killing children just like we do. They have traitors just like we do (anthrax guy, mcveighs,etc.)
We all have problems. It's how we handle them that sets us apart.
RE: Brazilian Pride In America
Posted by Don
On Wednesday, August 07, 2002 at 02:21:27

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Simply put.... there are assholes in Brazil and assholes in America. Now, I don't to get off on a rant here but..We being humans, pay attention more so to the bad things than the good. In this case, a few rotten apples DO NOT spoil the barrel. Also... we would not "lynch" (as you put it) celebrating Brazilians in the streets basically because most Americans don't give a shit about soccer and this if you really look at it is another example of the beautiful "Brazilian Passion" that I love so much. Hey! you have to take the good with the bad!
And as far as "learn english, learn english!". Hell, we should all be speaking Cherokee or whatever because English was not the given language of this continent either. But you don't hear Native Americans bitching. My personal belief is that the mixture of languages in this country add to the beauty of it and still allow ourselves to call America a "mixing pot". In short, life is too short to let petty shit like this bother you, I think you should just kick back, sip on a nice cold caipirinha and relax.[Pause for Applause]Of course, that's just my opinion, I could be wrong.
RE: Brazilian Pride In America
Posted by Randy
On Wednesday, August 07, 2002 at 08:48:35

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Don - you are wrong....in my opinion! I agree about having different cultures makes America stronger and wonderful...but you think we should PAY to have different languages for our ballot? Once again...you are missing the point! I took it upon myself to learn Portuguese because I was working with Brazilians and I hoped to travel there some day. I want to show respect for the people I work with and the country that I want to visit. So I got up off my ass and took the courses and paid for them myself!

Yes..and as there are other people in the world who use the native American tongue it would seem to me logical that we go back to that language. Right! And you don't hear Native Americans bitching? What..do you live in a cave? Of course they do! Everyone in America does!!!


As a matter of fact...I had a caipirinha last night while listening to Brazilian music at a bar..it was wonderful..still does not make it right that tax payers should pay for multiple languages on a ballot.
RE: Brazilian Pride In America
Posted by Don
On Thursday, August 08, 2002 at 01:39:56

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Randy,

As a matter of fact I DO live in a cave. It was hard as hell to get internet service. lol Anyway, I guess I overlooked the "Native American Bitching" thing because maybe they are the ONLY ones who are justified in it. However, there are alot more things I am worried about paying taxes for than multiple languages on a ballot. In a small way I agree with you, but perhaps you can enlighten me on something. In order to vote in an election, you have to be a citizen, and if you are a citizen, then aren't you responsible to pay your own taxes? Then aren't these people in some small way paying for thier own ballots?? Perhaps I am showing my ignorance with this question, you be the judge.
Also, kudos for you and taking it upon yourself to learn Portuguese. I have been studying for 5 years... I am mostly self taught, but with pronunciation help from freinds. I am jealous that you sat in a bar drinking a caipirinha. We have nothing of that sort in my city. Instead I make my own or join a Brazilian family for dinner whenever possible. It is so cool to see so many people with a love for Brazil. For awhile I thought I was the only one! Ate logo!
RE: Brazilian Pride In America
Posted by Randy
On Thursday, August 08, 2002 at 06:53:54

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Good points Don...but just because you are a citizen, does not mean you pay your taxes!!! Risos!! Many Americans don't pay their taxes..but I bet they vote!!! And I am certainly guessing...but I think it is an educated guess, that if someone does not understand how to read english, they are certainly not filling out their tax forms! But enough of that...I very well could be wrong! Eh? NAO!!! risos!
Hey...come on out of your cave, come on down to "Nawlins" and I will treat you to a caipirinha at The Red Bike...every Tuesday night is Brazilian Night there with music by Ricardo Crespo!! Friday nights Blake Amos e Saudade plays at the Spotted Cat!!! Great Brazilian music!!!!
RE: Brazilian Pride In America
Posted by Don
On Friday, August 09, 2002 at 19:44:33

Message:
Randy,

I may take you up on that offer someday! We are not that far away. I am in Memphis. I was supposed to take a trip to "Nawlins" (hehe), last Christmas with a couple of Brazilian freinds, but schedules would not permit.

Anyway...I think we are beating a dead cat with this issue, pretty soon we will get off the subject completely and you will be hearing my rantings on people that skip out on taxes, yet they drive better cars than I do. America may have better living conditions than many other countries, but I think deadbeats are univeral. One last example would be: I am a manager at a large company, you would turn your head in disgust (as I do) at how many people try to get me to give them only 5-10 hours per week or even lie about their income for them so that they still receive goverment aid. And these people are usually able bodied people that can get 40+ hours a week if they wanted to. Hey! I applaud government assisted living, for those that need it! But it makes me sick that I am the one who ends up "footing the bill" for these lazy people that do not. I guess that has a little something to do with the subject at hand, or maybe I am just "chasing rabbits." Either way... feel free to e-mail me. Catch ya later.
RE: Brazilian Pride In America
Posted by Fernando
On Sunday, August 11, 2002 at 04:18:36

Message:
EU you are wrong!!!!

Lots of people who lives out of Brazil for different reasons, not because they are losers. Because they studied too much and they are not getting what they deserve or because they want to have different experiences or they got an oportunity to come with a work visa because in Brazil when you are over the hill you don't get a job easily!!!! No ivestments!!! Sometimes I think
to go back, but when you look the crap going on there you give up. This concept of losers and winners is a stupidity!!!!!!! If you think that a person who have money or is well situated in life is a winner you are an idiot!!!
RE: Brazilian Pride In America
Posted by Randy Paul
On Thursday, August 15, 2002 at 19:16:05

Message:
>In brazil if you are a bit smart or well educated
you don't want to live there because you have a good life there (you wont change a job in a bank a god job for clener ou restaurant job, even they paying you much more)
most of the people that are outside brazil are de scoria of brazil (crap) they are loser in brazil they go to ameria japan, because the losers there are well treated..

Too bad you lack the courage to put an e-mail address by your name, you craven cretin. You probably couldn't get a visa and you're just jealous.



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