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World Won’t Buy Brazil Ethanol When It Finds Out How It’s Made, Says Congressman

Brazilian sugarcane cutter

Brazilian sugarcane cutter Repercussions over Brazilian President, Luiz Inácio Lula da Silva, declaration earlier this week that  rich sugar cane farmers have turned from "bandits" into "national and world heroes" continue to echo throughout the country. While the farmers themselves have praised the president many others have lambasted the presidential statement as inappropriate and insensitive.

Lula's comment was part of a speech he gave in the midwestern state of Goiás during the opening ceremonies for food company Perdigão's new factory.

"The sugarcane farmers," he said, "who six years ago were treated as if they were this country's agribusiness bandits  are becoming national and world heroes because everybody has his eye on the ethanol."

Lula stressed that this change is occurring during his term of office. Some of the critics remind, however, that until recently Lula and his Workers Party (PT) were ferocious critics of the landowners accusing them of being deadbeats who didn't pay their federal loans.

The PT had also aligned itself with social activists who charge the sugarcane growers with slave-like working conditions and was at the side of environmentalists who blame the landowners for burning sugarcane residues.

For Maurí­lio Biagi, a businessman who advises the São Paulo Sugarcane Agroindustry Coalition (UNICA), times have changed and sugarcane farmers have become more concerned with social matters as well as environmental ones.

If the sector is being panned, he says, this has to do with pure envy: "Brazil loathes success. As is the case in every other category we have good, average and bad sugarcane farmers."

"We may not be heroes," he says, "but we've never been bandits. Never a government gave our sector so much support. Lula can feel proud that this change occurred during his tenure in office."

Antônio Vicente Golfeto, director of the ACI-RP's (Ribeirão Preto's Commercial and Industrial Association) sees Lula's comments as a sign that the president decided to adopt a conciliation policy. "This PT change," he says, "has to be seen as a reflection point for the future. Lula is on a honeymoon with sugarcane farmers. However, we need to ask ourselves: have the farmers changed or has Lula?"

And Agrarian Conflicts prosecutor, Marcelo Pedroso Goulart, reminds that those people who Lula calls heroes are still exploiting workers. Goulart, who is also Environmental Prosecutor for the state of São Paulo, tells that there were 416 deaths just in 2005 due to the hardships of cutting sugarcane.

"Sugarcane farmers," Goulart charges, "keep on fouling the environment with the cane burning,  use of agrotoxics and indiscriminate deforestation. Moreover, they concentrate property, income and wealth. In a democracy, businessmen with such a profile cannot be considered heroes. They should be investigated by the organs subordinated to the presidency."

Another one opposed to Lula's sudden change of heart is an old friend of the president, House Representative and president of Força Sindical (a central trade union), Paulo Pereira da Silva, better known as Paulinho. For him to call landowners heroes is nonsense:

"Lula is staying too much in Brasí­lia, which is like a fantasy island. He has to travel more throughout Brazil to see how the working relations are here. I even believe that alcohol will become Brazil's main exporting commodity. But sugarcane farmers will always be sugarcane farmers.

"The numbers from the São Carlos University show that a sugarcane rural worker thrusts his heavy knife 36,000 times and walks 5.5 miles every day carrying sugarcane. This is insane. People are going to denounce this in some country and nobody will want to buy the Brazilian alcohol."

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  • Roberrrrrrrt

    WHERE WERE YOU!!!
    It is now 11:15 WHERE WERE YOU ??? You excrement of humanity, show up and be a man you coward piece of shit. IÀ¢€™m giving you one more chanceÀ¢€¦I am back at the CELI PRAIA HOTEL waiting for you BO-SHITTER !

  • Roberrrrt

    TO YOU BO GUY!!!
    written by bo,
    Aracaju, Sergipe you piece of trash. Come on up, leave the knives and the guns behind. We’ll throw hands. I’m waiting to take a decade of frustration out on some reality denying, ignorant brazilian a*****e.

    Arrive today friday the 30 th. See you tomorow at the Mirante 13 de Julho 9 A.M. go inside. I will be calling the information desk phone 79-3179-2192 from my cell phone and ask for you. I don’t own a gun and don’t use knifes like you and you friend allen. You will find out why. BE THERE!

  • YOUR WIFES REAL MAN

    BO-SHITTER I’AM WAITING!!!???
    For your answer in Portuguese, your phone number and the Architect & Engineering Company’s name !!!You don’t have a problem with it , do you? 🙂

  • michael

    Bo
    So you hate Brazil and Brazilians, but that doesn’t stop you from marrying one and then living and making money there?

    Must be a real man of character.

    I’ll say the same thing to immigrants in Canada that complain all the time about my country…if you don’t like it, SHUT UP AND GET THE F**K OUT!

    Btw, nice name…ya’ll from Texas er sompin?

  • YOUR WIFES REAL MAN

    small world…
    I forgot to ask you for the name of the architect and the engineering firms that is doing your project … hummmm small world…

  • YOUR WIFES REAL MAN

    to Bo-shitter… BoyÀ¢€¦ its getting really deep in here!!!
    Ohh yeah! Don’t make me look up your phone number…what is holding you… give me the number right now!!! Why don’t you include the internet site address for the this development of your? 😉

  • bo

    [quote]TO BO
    written by YOUR WIFE’S REAL MAN, 2007-03-28 13:32:24

    YOU ARE A DROP OUT WHITE TRASH MARRIED TO AN EDUCATED BRAZILIAN WIFE. SHOW YOUR INCOME TAX RETURN BILL GATES!! LAUGH OR IS IT MORE UNEMPLOYMENT CHECKS AND GOVERNMENT CHEESE???[/quote]

    I’m in aracaju, swing by, give me a ring. My phone number is posted on this site. I’ll take you to my apartment, let you check out the house that I’m building on the beach, about 40 days from being completed, will end up costing around 1.2 million reais when it’s all said and done, and show you our architectural and engineering plans, as well as a 3-D and animated CD-Rom presenatation of our 3 beachfront housing developments on 63,000 sq. meters that we should start breaking ground within the next 90 days. Come on by, give me a ring, I’m always hospitable. Maybe you can buy one of our properties! 😉

  • Roberrrrrrrt

    Hey Bo-shitter
    I’m waiting for your response in Portuguese??? Show me what you learned in 10 years!!! But you can’t have your wife write it!!! 😉

  • YOUR WIFES REAL MAN

    TO BO
    YOU ARE A DROP OUT WHITE TRASH MARRIED TO AN EDUCATED BRAZILIAN WIFE. SHOW YOUR INCOME TAX RETURN BILL GATES!! LAUGH OR IS IT MORE UNEMPLOYMENT CHECKS AND GOVERNMENT CHEESE???

  • bo

    [quote]Wanton people…
    written by A proud Brazilian… ever!!!, 2007-03-26 21:53:08

    I don’t think there are here any successful person writting on this website… a successful one would be too busy with their loads of things to get done. Here lots of unoccupied people do nothing also other then be nagging at Brazil and Brazilians…

    I started reading this website looking for news about my country and surprisingly found these one where is full of people who hates my country and my nationals. Would you say we hate the United States and the Americans? No! We don’t go to a website which specifically reproduces news abou the USA and keep nagging at Americans. Who hate who here?

    Many of you here don’t want nothing also other then to be aching, achy, afflictive, hurtful, painful, smarting, sore to Brazilians. That shows your wanton destruction of anything good about Brazil or Brazilian.

    You are catty! Hence our reactions. [/quote]

    There are many definitions of success. If your measuring success monetarily, then I would call myself successful. I’m 41 and don’t have to work another day in my life if I chose not to, which I don’t choose to, I still work.

    Why is it that people think that others can’t be successful, rich, etc, because they post on an internet board?? I seriously don’t get it. Now, 15 years ago you would never see me spending the time I do on the ‘net as I do today, because I was out “hustling” all the time, but I’ve made my bones. Now I pick and choose my “spots” in which to get involved.

    It must be unbelievable to you “Abe” because it’s difficult for you to imagine someone communicating with you on a daily, or weekly basis, that has a completely different reality than you.

  • bo

    [quote]Your English is perfect Bo!!!
    written by Roberrrrrrrt, 2007-03-28 04:13:32

    written by bo, 2007-03-25 18:29:59
    “your english SUCKS!”

    But the next time, don’t forget to capitalize the words (You) and (English) [/quote]

    But that wasn’t the effect I wanted Robert, I wanted to stress the word [b]SUCKS[/b]. Like in, you could suck a golf ball through a garden hose.

  • Roberrrrrrrt

    Your English is perfect Bo!!!
    written by bo, 2007-03-25 18:29:59
    “your english SUCKS!”

    But the next time, don’t forget to capitalize the words (You) and (English)
    By the way…(sucks) didn’t have to be capitalized!!! 🙂
    Yesssss I had the pleasure to see your incredible writings in PortugueseÀ¢€¦it is hilarious!!!
    Especially for someone living in Brazil for 10 fucking years!!! Thereˢ۪s something to be said about your brainpower ???

  • A proud Brazilian… ever!!!

    Wanton people…
    I don’t think there are here any successful person writting on this website… a successful one would be too busy with their loads of things to get done. Here lots of unoccupied people do nothing also other then be nagging at Brazil and Brazilians…

    I started reading this website looking for news about my country and surprisingly found these one where is full of people who hates my country and my nationals. Would you say we hate the United States and the Americans? No! We don’t go to a website which specifically reproduces news abou the USA and keep nagging at Americans. Who hate who here?

    Many of you here don’t want nothing also other then to be aching, achy, afflictive, hurtful, painful, smarting, sore to Brazilians. That shows your wanton destruction of anything good about Brazil or Brazilian.

    You are catty! Hence our reactions.

  • forrest allen brown

    Character is higher than intellect. A great soul will be strong to live as well as i think.
    What i think is funny is when i call the police station in Cabedelo all i get is EZITO is not here what number did you call to get him ??? and no you have to get a lawyer to go to court to see any documents on your file and court cases , But the lord true sailor can just call up and the files just belch forth all the info on me , if you are so good have them fax it to me or email it to me , or prove it to all of us post it here for the masses to read and to show that your eyes are not brown because you are full of S-it .

    i believe you areÀ‚ À‚ just another Brazilian trying to cover up your lies by casting dispersions at myself and my wife .À‚ À‚ lots of luck .

    You can’t make up anything anymore. Brazil itself is a satire. All you’re doing is recording it.

  • bo

    [quote]If a small thing has the power to make you angry, does that not indicate something about your size?
    written by forrest allen brown, 2007-03-25 16:48:13

    TRUE SAILOR yea right .

    first thing i never said my wife ever had been to the states and been detained in Houston Texas

    never said a farmer in Fortaleza more like the interior of PB , 2 full states south .and only a 2 hour drive to JP .

    also if you took time to lose site of shore you would know that Brazil is one of the least visited countries in the world by private boats , at best your boat will just be robed , not if but when and how many times , the number of boats that go the course of the Brazilian coast is more like 20 a year maybe.go to http://www.noonsite.com . http://www.ssca.com and take a look .
    at best most Brazilian charts are 18 to 20 years old ,
    when the navy of Brazil came on board the Roamdeep in Fortaleza and asked for charts i had more info then they did , even showed them sea map on my NAV computer .

    as far as my spelling well if you don’t like it don’t read it as , look at your post you misspelled thousands ! !!!

    As far as knowing all the illegal tricks , have never been in jail for nothing , can you say that ?
    never said to any one i was crazy , said i was crazy to believe in the law in Brazil

    have found that believing in the police of Brazil and the navy is the stupidest thing i have ever done .

    when i am in Brazil no one wants to see me coming to there office as they have to make up more lies to cover there last set of lies , i have a pile of court doc 20 cm high on my desk to prove it if you know how to read Portuguese look theirs up
    20IP2003000326 . #0430100/00008/04 # 10421-000.032/2004-40 then ask yourself how can the navy Brazil claim you abandon the boat when i showed them my deportation papers , and and they told you where place it at anchor , then called you wife and the captain to tell them the Brazilian flag had to be as big as the American flag on the boat .and then claim it did not have safety and NAV equipment on board , and then the next time say it was in danger of sinking .
    LIES ALL LIES SPAM FROM THE MOUTHS OF BRAZILIAN GOVERNMENT WORKERS
    to me you write like a Brazilian trying to cover up his own gladiolus maxims with to poor poor pitiful me song and dance all over again .

    a true sailor how many times around, how many times across the pond and back. through the canals and through the straits of Magellan

    if you want to dance come to me not to some one else , like wars are fought by men to afraid not to fight . i believe some people just need killing .

    have a good day

    Anger is a killing thing: it kills the man who angers, for each rage leaves him less than he had been before – it takes something from him.
    [/quote]

    Don’t worry forrest, I’ve got your back. You don’t need to tell me or anyone that is familiar with this shithole called brazil about the thieves here, unfortunately it’s a part of their “culture”, so it’s ok!

  • bo

    And Roberrrrrrt…
    your english [b]SUCKS![/B]

  • bo

    [quote]If you can’t proof you loose !!!
    written by From a true sailor, Roberrrrrrrrt M., 2007-03-25 14:51:52

    They donˢ۪t call you BO-SHITTER for any reason, do they?
    By the way, what is your immigration status in Brazil BO-Shitter? smilies/smiley.gif
    Interesting fact that a Brazilian writer mentioned here in this site, that Allen had warned the police authorities in Joan pessoa that he was kind of crazy and would blow up the place. So that supports what was documented in the police file reports in Joan Pessoa. So I ASK YOU STUPID F**KING BO why do you think he go himself in trouble ???
    Do you have any idea (you stupid f**k) where he would be if this had happened in the US? Huhhh you stupid f**k?
    What you need BO is a good ass kiking… pick a place and I ‘ll do the travelling! Fair enough isn’t it Mr. Macho…laugh.
    [/quote]

    Aracaju, Sergipe you piece of trash. Come on up, leave the knives and the guns behind. We’ll throw hands. I’m waiting to take a decade of frustration out on some reality denying, ignorant brazilian asshole.

  • forrest allen brown

    to all brazilians
    Prezado Senhores,
    >
    >
    >
    > Esta carta Àƒ© uma resposta para lhes informar sobre seu pedido para demais informaÀƒ§Àƒµes.
    >
    > M/V ROAMDEEP Àƒ© um 27 metro USN YP 670 com 3 outros embarcaÀƒ§Àƒµes de suporte com capacidade de manter 10 pessoas por 10 dias sem reabastecer, Àƒ© equipado para mergulho e resgate ou salvamento, com alto e baixo compressores, lanÀƒ§ando atÀƒ© 8 mergulhadores na Àƒ¡gua no mesmo tempo, tem SSB radio, vhf, SEA MAP no computador, gps, e sob Àƒ¡gua cÀƒ¢meras de vÀƒ­deo com sistema infra-vermelho, tudo funcionando para 5 anos com grande sucesso nas missÀƒµes.
    >
    >1. Roamdeep tinha todas as luzes de navegaÀƒ§Àƒ£o quando em CabedÀƒ©lo, nÀƒ£o era atÀƒ© a marinha fez exame que a prÀƒ³pria marinha as roubou do barco, mas quando eu mostrei o foto que fiz quando meu exame na doca, as luzes de navegaÀƒ§Àƒ£o depois apareceram de volta.
    >
    >2. Os mapas e as cartas estavam no barco quando a marinha teve meu homem abre o barco para eles ÀƒÂ  inspeÀƒ§Àƒ£o dele, a marinha À¢€œfez exameÀ¢€Â de todas as cartas, compasso, e registros fora do barco e nunca derem nada de volta, sumiram todos as mapas e as cartas.
    >
    >3. O equipamento bombeiro era no barco, acordo com as regras de Coast Guard USA, e era aprovado nos outros pontos de entrada no Brasil, agora alguns do equipamento esta a faltando devido ao roubo das mÀƒ£os da marinha do Brasil.
    >
    >4. As marcas da linha de carga nÀƒ£o sÀƒ£o requeridas em uma embarcaÀƒ§Àƒ£o do ABS nos EUA, e tambÀƒ©m nÀƒ£o era um problema em nenhuns outros portos em Brasil.
    >
    >5. As eletrÀƒ´nicas foram guardadas fora do barco por mim para protegÀƒª-las dos ladrÀƒµes na Àƒ¡rea, tenho-as em minha casa.
    >
    >6. O barco nÀƒ£o era um perigo ÀƒÂ  navegaÀƒ§Àƒ£o porque era bem dentro 15 metros da costa, no lugar exato onde o capitÀƒ£o dos portos me disse pÀƒ´r lo.
    >
    >7. Quando recebeu um pedido, meu homem colocou uma bandeira no Roamdeep no dia seguinte.
    >
    >
    >
    >Os quais eu quero saber sÀƒ£o,
    >
    >Porque os barcos de comercial brasileira que trabalham no rio e na baÀƒ­a nÀƒ£o tÀƒªm que ter as mesmas coisas seu capitÀƒ£o fizeram exame de meu barco para.
    >
    >Nenhuns deles tÀƒªm bandeiras, equipamento de resgate, equipamento bombeiro, barcos salva-vida, alguns nÀƒ£o tÀƒªm mesmo as luzes da navegaÀƒ§Àƒ£o funcionando, se que o tem em qualquer forma.
    >
    >Tendo em vista essas trespassas, se eu tenho que acreditar que o Brasil nÀƒ£o estÀƒ¡ tentando roubar meu barco de mim, favor explique para me a diferenÀƒ§a.
    >
    >TambÀƒ©m porque o receita federal nÀƒ£o me deixa pagar a multa de R $1,000 por mÀƒªs? Mas insiste que eu pago tudo de uma vez sÀƒ³?
    >
    >E porque a marinha queira-me pagar por seguranÀƒ§a no barco, quando foi roubado 2 vezes quando nas mÀƒ£os dela, com a perda ao menos de 53.000 dÀƒ³lares de equipamento, e do combustÀƒ­vel de 1.500 galÀƒµes e dos 78 galÀƒµes de Àƒ³leo do motor.
    >
    > Àƒ‰ minha opiniÀƒ£o que a marinha quer meu barco para fazer vigilÀƒ¢ncia no porto, porque nÀƒ£o compra-o apenas numa maneira honesta, em vez de tentar afastar o de mim por decepÀƒ§Àƒ£o.
    >
    >
    >
    >Por sÀƒ³ 175.000 dÀƒ³lares Àƒ© todo seu.
    >
    >
    >
    >No 4 de marÀƒ§o 2002 que meu barco era roubado do equipamento que eu estava usando nos reparos, eu prestei queixa com delegado Alberto do Egito Souza quem nÀƒ£o fez nada, mas pede que eu pago 1.500 parar comeÀƒ§ar o processo. Eu encontrei um delegado bom quem fez de graÀƒ§a, era seu trabalho, Processo# 0732003012983-4 O juiz deu julgamento na dia 16, setembro 2003. Senhor Egito atÀƒ© agora nÀƒ£o prendeu Daniel os seus amigos.
    >
    >
    >
    >Em sÀƒ³ 10 semanas, quatro barcos foram roubos na Àƒ¡rea de Senhor Egito e nem um era resolvido. Tudo tem que deve fazer Àƒ© apenas se sentar para trÀƒ¡s e espere atÀƒ© os vistos dos barcos estÀƒ£o vencendo e entÀƒ£o quando eles vÀƒ£o embora Àƒ© joga a papelada no lixo.
    >
    >
    >
    >Esta Àƒ¡rea do mundo Àƒ© jÀƒ¡ conhecida como um lugar para evitar indo para ajuda, se seu barco for quebrado, Pois nÀƒ£o Àƒ© se vocÀƒª estaria roubado, Àƒ© quantos vezes e por quem.
    >
    >
    >
    >E se o paÀƒ­s toma meu barco, estarÀƒ¡ roubando minha casa, meu escritÀƒ³rio, e minha plataforma de trabalho para esses cinco anos,
    >
    >
    >
    >Olha por favor, esses assuntos para seu prÀƒ³prio bem, e tambÀƒ©m para sua pÀƒ¡tria.
    >
    >
    >
    >Allen Brown
    >

  • forrest allen brown

    If a small thing has the power to make you angry, does that not indicate something about your size?
    TRUE SAILOR yea right .

    first thing i never said my wife ever had been to the states and been detained in Houston Texas

    never said a farmer in Fortaleza more like the interior of PB , 2 full states south .and only a 2 hour drive to JP .

    also if you took time to lose site of shore you would know that Brazil is one of the least visited countries in the world by private boats , at best your boat will just be robed , not if but when and how many times , the number of boats that go the course of the Brazilian coast is more like 20 a year maybe.go to http://www.noonsite.com . http://www.ssca.com and take a look .
    at best most Brazilian charts are 18 to 20 years old ,
    when the navy of Brazil came on board the Roamdeep in Fortaleza and asked for charts i had more info then they did , even showed them sea map on my NAV computer .

    as far as my spelling well if you don’t like it don’t read it as , look at your post you misspelled thousands ! !!!

    As far as knowing all the illegal tricks , have never been in jail for nothing , can you say that ?
    never said to any one i was crazy , said i was crazy to believe in the law in Brazil

    have found that believing in the police of Brazil and the navy is the stupidest thing i have ever done .

    when i am in Brazil no one wants to see me coming to there office as they have to make up more lies to cover there last set of lies , i have a pile of court doc 20 cm high on my desk to prove it if you know how to read Portuguese look theirs up
    20IP2003000326 . #0430100/00008/04 # 10421-000.032/2004-40 then ask yourself how can the navy Brazil claim you abandon the boat when i showed them my deportation papers , and and they told you where place it at anchor , then called you wife and the captain to tell them the Brazilian flag had to be as big as the American flag on the boat .and then claim it did not have safety and NAV equipment on board , and then the next time say it was in danger of sinking .
    LIES ALL LIES SPAM FROM THE MOUTHS OF BRAZILIAN GOVERNMENT WORKERS
    to me you write like a Brazilian trying to cover up his own gladiolus maxims with to poor poor pitiful me song and dance all over again .

    a true sailor how many times around, how many times across the pond and back. through the canals and through the straits of Magellan

    if you want to dance come to me not to some one else , like wars are fought by men to afraid not to fight . i believe some people just need killing .

    have a good day

    Anger is a killing thing: it kills the man who angers, for each rage leaves him less than he had been before – it takes something from him.

  • From a true sailor, Roberrrrrrrrt M.

    If you can’t proof you loose !!!
    They donˢ۪t call you BO-SHITTER for any reason, do they?
    By the way, what is your immigration status in Brazil BO-Shitter? 🙂
    Interesting fact that a Brazilian writer mentioned here in this site, that Allen had warned the police authorities in Joan pessoa that he was kind of crazy and would blow up the place. So that supports what was documented in the police file reports in Joan Pessoa. So I ASK YOU STUPID FUCKING BO why do you think he go himself in trouble ???
    Do you have any idea (you stupid fuck) where he would be if this had happened in the US? Huhhh you stupid fuck?
    What you need BO is a good ass kiking… pick a place and I ‘ll do the travelling! Fair enough isn’t it Mr. Macho…laugh.

  • bo

    [quote]written by From a true sailor, 2007-03-24 15:15:21

    Sincerely,
    Robert M. [/quote]

    Now come there “Robert”, it’s actually Roberto, we all can see that, because your english is shit as well. Forrest has explained himself before, for one, he was shot in the head in viet nam, and his story about his boat is very believable, he even wrote the U.S. consulate, not to mention, that kind of shit is not an infrequent occurrence in brazil. When you pay people salaries of “miseria”, 200 to 500 dollars a month, they’ll “supplement” their income any old way they can, and many brazilians just LOVE to stick it to gringos, many actually think we’re “stupid”. Quite an amazing ideology, but that’s what you’ll get from the masses in brazil that either haven’t had any education, or have been educated in the public schools.

  • From a true sailor

    Allan Brown,
    Something should be said about a man that knows all the illegal tricks on the book…. Specially from a man that had his boat suspiciously sized by the policy in a very obscured manner out of hundreds of Townsend foreign boats arriving in Brazil every year with no problems… from a man that claims to be American but writes like anything but American…from a man that in one comment lives in joau pessoa where his boat is retained and in the next comment he is a farmer in the outskirts of fortaleza ceara… from a man that claims that he is a Vietnam Veteran but his wife was detained in Houston Texas by the immigrationÀ¢€¦ from a man that in one article writes as a third grader using a few miss spell verbs, to a man that in the next article writes like Shakespeare, Nobrega and Zollar all together… etc etc etc…
    Your intellect and power of reasoning only equals to that of Ch.c !!! (That means is non-existent)
    You are a confused and probably criminal man Allan Brown I just hope that the next time Brazil do a clean up… you are in it!!!
    Sincerely,
    Robert M.

  • forrest allen brown

    AND IT WONT CHANGE IN THAT MANY YEARS
    al lula is going to do is sell off the ethonal so brazilians will have to pay more at the pump just like food that is exported instead of feeding its own .

    if brazilian ethonal is so cheep why does it go up every time gas does , some place in the world .

    Brazil is like porto rico they want people to beleive they make the best rum , but a full 90 % of the cain comes from the states . for rican rum

    if there was a standard that was pased who would make sure that there was no water mixed in with the ethnoal shiped from brazil that would be the trick ..

    like selling cows dont give them water for 2 days and just before you go to sell fill them up good for another 18 lk

  • Jony

    YOU are completely outclassed and profusely out smarted, Mr. Ch.c.
    showing your ignorant bigotry infested mind with absolutely no factual knowledge but always irrigated by endless erroneous assumptions based on your À¢€œVODOO GLOOGLEDÀ¢€Â economics. You may be a Czar Mr. Ch.c, but only in your own mind.
    By the way, please refer to this highly intelligent and knowledgeable person you are learning from by the right genderÀ¢€¦ CONCEICAO IS A WOMEN so bow your congenital stupidity and ask HER permission to speak the next time you defecate “your home made macro economics” bla bla blaÀ¢€¦

    To Conceicao:
    Conceicao… eu me lembro muito bem!!! la la la la la la la laaaaaaaaa!!!!
    Casaria-me contigo por 10,000 mil anos, so pela tua mente!!! Risos.

  • conceicao

    My opinion as to what really is going on with Lula praising the sugar producers is the following. The Brasilian ethanol industry is like the natural gas industry in that it would function
    optimally producing under long-term supply agreements with end-users, i.e., the U.S. gasoline refineries who are really the only game in town at this point for ramping up the Brasilian
    industry. Given the U.S. refusal, against its own interests, to open up the U.S. market, Brasil’s best hope is encouraging demand through creation of a international standard ethanol grade pursuant
    to an agreement with the U.S. as was recently announced. The reason Lula has thrown in so openly with the sugar producers is that he and his government face the difficult task of having to
    ramp production is Brasil sufficiently to produce enough surplus product to supply and support the new international ethanol free market (without the U.S.) that the recent agreement with the
    U.S. envisions. It is a chicken and egg problem. With sugar prices low and vehicle usage increasing domestically, it is easy to see all the Brasilian sugar and ethanol production being sopped up
    internally – and the so-called Brasilian ethanol liberation movement failing as a result. Of course, this is what the U.S. and EU as protectionists want.

  • conceicao

    I will let the other readers of this blog decide who does not know what they are talking about. First, the 7% that comes in duty free comes under the Caribbean and Cafta free trade
    agreements that do not cover Brasil. (Brasil does export some sugarcane byproducts to countries who benefit from the 7% exclusion who then further refine the Brasilian base into ethanol,
    all this as a scheme to ameliorate the effect of the U.S. tariff on Brasilian production.) Second, what is or is not cheap labor is irrelevant to the discussion as the price advantage of Brasilian ethanol is related to the energy content of the base feedstuff for Brasilian sugar-based ethanol versus corn-based ethanol. Third, Brasilian tariffs on U.S. imports are irrelevant as the U.S. consumer and overall economy would be the main beneficiaries of the lifting of the tariff. My point is that the tariff is a needless beggaring of Brasil because it serves no useful purpose for the U.S or its citizens.
    Fourth, I doubt any corn in the U.S. is harvested manually and seriously doubt Alexander & Baldwin employs any manual harvesting on its Hawaii sugar plantations. ( I, like Al Gore, have cut,
    spiked and housed tobacco with my own hands as my ancestors have done for centuries – not so bad for a couple of weeks – but not nearly as hard as monual work in a sugar field.)

  • ch.c.

    OOOPS—-PROBLEMS……
    And just to show you how ignorant you are, is simply that you dont even know that ACTUALLY very little of your ethanol exported to the USA has the tax charged…….BECAUSE :
    THE USA, BY LAW, ALLOW 7 % OF THEIR OWN NON FOSSIL FUEL PRODUCTION……… TO BE IMPORTED….. TAX FREE !!!!!

    Yessssss Buddy, knowing that the USA in 2006 produced around 5,5 billion gallons of ethanol, and that Brazil exported to the USA around 400 millions gallons, it means that the U.S.A. import tax was charged ON ALMOST…..NOTHING !!!!!

    WHY DOESNT BRAZIL…..NEVER RECIPROCATE ???????

    FURTHERMORE, ON THE TOTAL OF US$ 24 BILLION YOUR OVERALL EXPORTS TO THE USA, US$ 4 BILLION DONT BEAR ANY U.S. TAXES AS A GESTURE TO YOU !
    Since you are a knowlegable and educated person, please tell the audience how much of the U.S. exports to Brazil is tax free !!!!!

    A real junkie this Conceicao, who doesnt even know what he is talking about !

  • ch.c.

    To Conceicao and his…… not to cheap labor !!!!!.
    What is not cheap labor….for you ? US$ 190.- per month ?????
    And I suggest you read the recent articles on this site concerning the working conditions of the sugar cane workers, not those driving tractors……but the sugar cane CUTTERS….OBVIOUSLY !!!!!!!!

    And if the salary is good and the working conditions are good….why dont you switch your job ???????
    A lifetime job !

    This said, please tell us how many tons of corn in the USA are manually harvested ???????
    In Brazil, 40 % of the sugarcane is manually harvested. Or around 180 millions tons out of a total production of 450 millions tons !!!!!!

    Just imagine, the quantity of 180 millions tons

    And why should the U.S.A. void the tariff ? Do you void your own tariffs, such as 100 % on foreign made cars and 100 % on high end
    PCs ?????

    It is just amazing that Brazil want every trade partner to eliminate their tariffs without eliminating their own import tariffs !!!!

    And just to show you how ignorant you are, is simply that you dont even know that ACTUALLY

  • Jack Sydney

    “If the U.S. voided the tariff in return…”
    It’s always someone elses fault. To use a cliche, ” They blame everyone but themselves”
    No offence meant, but it’s up to us to solve our problems and we are not doing it.
    Let’s roll up our sleeves instead of just kiddind ourselves, our children deserve better.
    Ariba every one!!!!
    No more manana.

  • conceicao

    The argument presented by the Congressman makes about as much sense as the Japanese refusal in the 1980s to import U.S.-manufactured skis on the grounds that “Japanese snow was
    different.” The price differential associated with Brasilian ethanol relates to the relative energy-content of raw material inputs and not to cheap labor. If the U.S. voided the tariff in return
    for government-mandated mechanization of sugar cane harvesting in Brasil, the fazendeiros and the Brasilian-based ethanol producers would see their profits rise.

  • ch.c.

    Strange !!!!
    Similar accusations have been written here….by myself ! Hey hey !

    Brazilians bandits in, from criminals to corrupted politicians to cheating governments, have alsways been considered as Heroes….by Brazilians. In fact so much heroes that you re-elect them…one after the other !!!!!!

    In my view Brazilian SUGAR AND ETHANOL should be simply banned WORLDWIDE…as long as deliveries dont come with a certificate aigned
    by a high level official, such as Lula himself, that NOOOOOOOOO sugar cane has been manually harvested.

    Same for your pig iron exports using thousands and thousands of workers in slaves alike conditions !!!

    As to the federal loans the farmers dont repay, I just remind you that they were effected with a HEAVY discount to the regular interests rates.
    THAT IS CALLED…..SUBSIDIZES….. !!!!!!!

    Is Lula the crook and cheater NOT AGAINST AGRICULTURAL SUBISIDIZES IN DEVELOPED COUNTRIES ??????

    Strange that one more and as usual he feels that what he does at home is good….but not so good when others do the same !!!!

    Pfuittttt…..shame to him !

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