Brazzil

Illegal means Illegal.
"Underneath and often silenced by the political clamor are the stories of people like Lima, whose lives would be transformed by the ability to drive legally". If Lima wasn't in the USA illegally she could get a driver's license. What a concept..

In these places, Ortega says, "You have to drive to get anywhere, so your livelihood depends on the process of driving - that's basic. So when you don't have a driver's license you are putting yourself at risk every day just to make a living." This is rich, what about all the other people on the road, your also putting them at risk. So you should be rewarded for breaking the law in the first place? Where does it stop? Like the taxpayers to buy you a new car and home also as a reward for breaking the laws of the country you love?

This is the killer! "Despite years of waiting and watching the doors to documentation slam shut, many undocumented immigrants are tiring of the struggle. Shrugging his shoulders and taking a sip of his espresso, Agnaldo dos Santos, a construction worker who has been in the U.S. ten years shakes his head, "immigrants here just never get a turn," he says.
Okay, you are here 10 years, undocumented, tired of the struggle, and you never get a turn?? You have been breaking the law for 10 years and your not in jail nor have you been deported. I would say you have had a HUGE "turn".

I do believe the doors should be open for all of you illegals, but first should come the fine $50,000 to $100,000 for breaking the law.

Dear Peter:

Are you a US presidential candidiate?? Have you won the nomination yet?

I would have appreciated you more if you had written an article about the law abiding Brazilian drivers who got their driving licenses before 1998 and to renew last year, they were forced to attend a driving school again for a week.

However, you seem to make a big issue of the harassment the illegal aliens face to get their license in U.S. Honestly speaking, it does not make any sense to me.

Try again to write a decent article about honest Brazilian tax payers and we would certainly appreciate it. After all, you have a famous last name, don't you?

"Sometimes people, they get in accidents because of that, because they are scared of everything. Or if they get into an accident they are going to run, they are going to leave the person there. They are not going to call 911, because they know they would be in trouble not just because of being responsible for an accident, but because they didn't have a license," he said.

That's bulls**t! They get into accidents because they're completely accustomed to NOT obeying driving laws! And, they "hit and run" because the majority of the time they do the same thing in their own countries where they are 100% legal!

When she uses her Brazilian passport as a form of identification, she says that she is often treated differently by bouncers at bars, but felt lucky not to be harassed by the police the one time she was pulled over, as friends had been. "There is prejudice against us for being from the Third World," she said in Portuguese, "those of us that are here legally end up being wronged" by those who are illegal, she says.

Well who can blame the americans? You have 15-20 MILLION illegal immigrants in the country, Mexico and Brazil being huge abusers of the system, and then blame the americans for being fed up?

I find it hilarious when people start crying about "rights" they do not have in a country while being their ILLEGALLY!!! Can anyone else see the irony in this? Try coming to Brazil and invest $50,000 or more, you can't even get a bank account until one gets an RNE number which takes years!

Doesn't it dawn on people that if they went about the system in the correct, legal manner that they'd be able to get all the documentation they need? And if they can't get the documents they need to stay legally, then they need to go back to their country....that's only logical, isn't it? It's that way in Brazil, the U.S., the U.K., Canada, Australia, Japan, any country on the face of the planet. Why do people talk about the United States as if they should be different? The U.S. grants green cards, permanent visas, in larger numbers than any country on the face of the planet. Try coming to Brazil to live being a foreigner. You have 3 options, marry a brazilian, investors visa (minimum investment of 50,000 dollars), or a retirement visa (must show a monthly income of 2,500 dollars). Other than that you have a tourist visa which allows one to stay a MAXIMUM of 180 days per year. So you see, if you don't marry a brazilian, you MUST have money to live in Brazil. That is NOT the situation in the U.S. The U.S. is MORE leniant than countries like Brazil, and most other countries in the world, in respect to immigration. And yet people complain, they've been living in the coutry for decades....illegally, working, and sending everything they can BACK to their home country. And still they bitch, they're not getting their "turn". That is rich. Those that have abused the system have been being rewarded for decades now.....that is changing now, as it should've been all along.

You want to go to America? Fine, go through the process. Do it legally. For those that do you are more than welcome. For those that don't you should be able to understand that when the police catch you and deport you that it is normal......all over the world. Even in your home country!

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I have been writing about the problem of the illegal immigrants for a few years, but in the last 2 years the problem has become a major crisis.

Not only illegal immigrants are having a hard time getting or renewing a drivers license, but various communities around the country started requiring that people proof that they are legal in the United States before they can rent an apartment or a house. And many states are also passing laws that if an illegal immigrant is caught working for a company, then the state is going to revoke the license of that company to operate on that state, in many cases putting the company out of business.

It has become a nightmare for illegal immigrants to stay in the United States, and thousands of illegal immigrants are returning to the countries from where they came from.

We have an exodus of Brazilians returning to Brazil right now, not only because of the difficulties that they are encountering here in the US regarding these issues, but thousands and thousands of illegal immigrants are returning to their countries because of the deteriorating economic situation here in the United States.

Here is a piece that I wrote 3 months ago and posted on the following forum:
By the way, my screen name on that forum is: SouthAmerica.

I Love Brazil

http://www.elitetrader.com/vb/...ost1702776


December 5, 2007

SouthAmerica: The New York Times published an article yesterday about this trend that has been going on for over a year.

I had mentioned about this exodus of Brazilians from the United States on this Forum many weeks ago.

Eventually the US mainstream media will realize that the exodus is not only of Brazilians but it is affecting many groups of immigrants - legal and illegal who came to the US various places.

The Legal and illegal immigrants in this case are like the canary in the coal mine - the legal and illegal immigrants are giving advance notice that the party it is over here in the United States.



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Brazilians Giving Up Their American Dream
By NINA BERNSTEIN and ELIZABETH DWOSKIN
Published: December 4, 2007
The New York Times

Like hundreds of thousands of middle-class Brazilians who moved to the United States over the last two decades, Jose Osvandir Borges and his wife, Elisabeth, came on tourist visas and stayed as illegal immigrants, putting down roots in ways they never expected.

After packing up their plasma-screen TV, scholastic trophies and other fruits of 12 prosperous years in the Ironbound in Newark, the couple and their American-born daughter, Marianna, 10, were scheduled to fly back to Brazil for good this morning. They expect their son, Thiago, 21, to follow in a year or two, despite his reluctance to leave the only land that feels like home.

� That decision � to give up on life in the United States is being made by more and more Brazilians across the country, according to consular officials, travel agencies swamped by one-way ticket bookings, and community leaders in the neighborhoods that Brazilian immigrants have transformed, from Boston to Pompano Beach, Fla.

No one can say how many are leaving. But in the last half year, the reverse migration has become unmistakable among Brazilians in the United States, a population estimated at 1.1 million by Brazils government four to five times the official census figures.

� In Massachusetts, says Fausto da Rocha, the founder of the Boston-area Brazilian Immigrant Center, his compatriots many here illegally are leaving by the thousands, some after losing homes in the subprime mortgage crisis. In New York and New Jersey, travel agents and others who sell airline seats say that one-way bookings to Brazil have more than doubled since last year, to about 150 daily from Kennedy International Airport, and that flights are sold out through February.

And at Brazils consulate in Miami, which serves Brazilians in five Southeastern states, officials said a recent survey of moving companies and travel agencies confirmed what they had already surmised from their foot traffic: More Brazilians are leaving the region than arriving the reversal of an upward curve that seemed unstoppable as recently as 2005, when Brazilians unable to meet tightened visa requirements were sneaking across the United States-Mexico border in record numbers.

Source:

http://www.nytimes.com/2007/12...REOVERNEWS

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I was 8 days over my visa in brazil was fined 294 reals , taken to the air port and made to pay the muta then put on a plane
and sent off ,
with a brasilian wife there and my boat .
not long the navy brazil took my boat as abadond with ever thing i owned , and it took me over a year to get my wife out of brazil the leagle way .
i lost over $500.000 to your country in there way doing ileagles

so i hope all ileagles get screw as bad as i did ,BUT that wont happen as even if you are ileagle in the US
you have rights
but not in all the countries that thies people come from

that is why people come to the US and stay as they are better off there than they are in there home land

if you are in the US get out now and go home and refile to come to the states , as when you are picked up it will be at least 10m
years before you can try again
and after the election the laws will change as the people of the US are fed up with there present form leadership
and are going to make a big change in the congress and senat to make the laws work for the people of the US not the other way around .

as like myself i am so tired of hearing ileagles demand rights from a country they have no right to be in
free food , medical , school , housing , and citisenship .

GO HOME AND MAKE YOU LAND AS SAFE AND FREE AS OURS USE TO BE .
try to fly a US flag in mexico or brazil , not going to happen , so why should it happen here .
DEMAND YOUR RIGHTS IN YOUR HOME LAND NOT HERE.
walk through your streets with the US flag damand the same thing you demand here
SEE HOW FAR YOU GET BEFORE YOU LEADERS SEND IN THE MILITARY

for al my soap box speach
i dont blame them for comming here i blame the US goverment
for not stoping it 20 years ago and making it easer for the working class people to enter the US
but no they just let in the rich college kids , crooked politicans , soap stars , who only bring
there money , but nothing to give back to the country .
let in brick layers , painters , farmers , let them send money home to there people
they are the ones that are redused to slave laubor in there home countries .
have a guest workers program , that works for all not just the rich .
not hard to do at all , work with out going on welfare , or using any public asstance .
dont have a record in your home land or ours , pledge alegence to the US and hold it dear to you keep your cluture at home
dont drage it out to the streets demand a brasilian or mexican day , declare a imigrant day prade and street fare then show your pride in the country you left ??????

join the military of the US fight for what we have fought for then you will see why we are the way we are
move out of the live in a bunch ,system and see the US for what it is , or was before our leaders bent us over and
widen our pockets to there benfit .

than you will be one of US the grate melting pot

Hmmmm, I wonder how many years I could be illegal in Brazil, while working and driving. What do I say when I come to my first roadblock?

Learn the language of the country you love so much....ENGLISH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

For family reasons of fight, my mother decided to live in Germany.Her father is German.I lived 5 years there.From mine 11 until mine 16 years,1989 up to 1994.It was a traumatic experience!! We lived in a very good region, translating: a quarter of not foreign.The children did not play with me and my brother, and always cried: GET OUT TURKS.And we don´t have traces of Turks.Always being discriminated with out reason.When i was coming back to my country, with a great happiness, i made a promisse:If i find a foreigner in Brazil.. go to s h i t on it´s head. BRASIL PARA OS BRASILEIROS!! FORA GRINGOS!!

I agree with Poor Poor me!
written by Peter Pan, 2008-03-05 21:30:12 >
"Despite years of waiting and watching the doors to documentation slam shut, many undocumented immigrants are tiring of the struggle " : why sugar coat it by saying " undocumented immigrants " ? You actually mean "illegal immigrants" . It is surprising to me that they would expect all the same services as legal taxpayers. I wonder how they have managed to procure bank accounts, buy homes, secure credit without the taxman being for more the wiser ? The Brazilian laws seem even tougher. In theory you need a CPF to do almost anything : have a bank account, buy a car etc.

brazil turns a blind eye to the traffickers operating in minas gerais,the north east,and the southeast.....governador valerdares in particular...illegal brazilians act remarkably similar in the u.s.a. ,as they do in brazil....tax evasion,no respect for law,fraudelent documents,steal, fraud,lie and cheat....border crossers,and visa (tourist) overstayers etc., are common place....there will never be an amnesty for illegals....

I agree with Poor Poor me!
written by Peter Pan, 2008-03-05 21:30:12 >
"Despite years of waiting and watching the doors to documentation slam shut, many undocumented immigrants are tiring of the struggle " : why sugar coat it by saying " undocumented immigrants " ? You actually mean "illegal immigrants" . It is surprising to me that they would expect all the same services as legal taxpayers. I wonder how they have managed to procure bank accounts, buy homes, secure credit without the taxman being for more the wiser ? The Brazilian laws seem even tougher. In theory you need a CPF to do almost anything : have a bank account, buy a car etc.

I did not know that your ex-boss Helio Costa now belongs to PMDB. I thought he had switched over from Arena to PT!!

I agree with you! BUT the people who already are living in the respective country..should be encluded, so they can also pay taxes.Later , it is another problem.

BUT the people who already are living in the respective country..should be encluded, so they can also pay taxes.Later , it is another problem.

So someone should be able to go to another country under false pretenses, break the law, and then gain all the benefits of those that went about the process the correct way?

Just because someone is "living" in a country doesn't mean he has been granted permission to live in that country. Millions upon millions apply for TOURIST visas and then simply never leave. That is not only illegal, but a case of deception. One cannot come to Brazil, the U.S., or any country on the planet to LIVE and arrive via a tourist visa. One cannot come to Brazil, or the U.S., or any country, but sneaking across it's borders, evading the police, buying/obtaining fake state and federal gov't. documents, then simply decide to overstay their legally alloted time by a decade or two. That's not how the system works.

The U.S. granted amnesty to several million illegals during the Reagan administration. We won't be granting that same type of amnesty to 15-20 million this time.....that's plain to see, and all the U.S. politicians are very aware of this. They will be held accountable on this issue this time. And for those that do not vote in sync with the will of those they represesent, they will be voted out. And they're very well aware of this.

This issue of illegal immigrants affects Brasil as well of course.
I work in the Telco sector in Brasil, and one of our major competitors who shall remain nameless was recently raided by Police Federal and discovered to have 45 people working illegally in the office on so called Tourist visas, many of which had expired. The company paid the fine, sent the 45 people back to Ch...a and then brought in a fresh group of people to work on the project.
And of course this is not limited to industry. I know many people who started life in Brasil on tourist visas, fell in love with the country and its people and culture, and started out teaching english or other informal education work. And then over a period of time, managed to make themselves legitimate in terms of residency status by hook or crook; marriage, the infamous moratorium on illegal residents in 1998-9 that enabled many illegals to move across to legitimate residency status, etc.

The real question is, who would want to live in Brazil in 2008 anyway? There is no chance to make any decent money there. The standard of living is so low that it is a world wide embarrasment. How about before Brazil starts to let in thousands of middle eastern terriorists (like it is currently doing) it wakes up and trys to feed some of the people who are currently starving in the favelas!!??

I know many people who started life in Brasil on tourist visas, fell in love with the country and its people and culture, and started out teaching english or other informal education work. And then over a period of time, managed to make themselves legitimate in terms of residency status by hook or crook; marriage, the infamous moratorium on illegal residents in 1998-9 that enabled many illegals to move across to legitimate residency status, etc.

That's all fine and well. But riddle me this, if 15-20 million of these types of people entered the country in this manner, took jobs away from brazilians, their children took the chairs of brazilian children leaving them to commute to other locales to go to school, started receiving gov't. assistance in the form of education, medical, and social, and every now and again millions took to the streets in numerous brazilian capitols throughout the country burning the brazilian flag and waving the flag of their home countries......exactly how many do you think we die?

And do you think the brazilian military police would protect them in their "right" to free speech while protesting?

- I thought that Brazil economy was...BOOMING !
Therefore why go abroad to find a well paid job ?
Laugh....laugh...laugh !

- Why are idiots Brazilians ready to pay money to exit their "Tropical Booming Paradise" and go to Hell in America and paid with worthless US$ paper money or go to Hell elsewhere... in reading the numerous comments in this site ????
Nooooo dount........ you are the world BIGGEST LIARS, CHEATERSS AND/OR....MASOCHISTS !!!!

Wellllllll.... there is a big confusion and in fact it is Brazil that is a Tropical Mud and America and other developed nations....that are closer to Paradise.!!!!!!

LAUGH----LAUGH----LAUGH !!!!!

- I thought that Brazil economy was...BOOMING !
Therefore why go abroad to find a well paid job ?
Laugh....laugh...laugh !

- Why are idiots Brazilians ready to pay money to exit their "Tropical Booming Paradise" and go to Hell in America and paid with worthless US$ paper money or go to Hell elsewhere... in reading the numerous comments in this site ????
Nooooo dount........ you are the world BIGGEST LIARS, CHEATERSS AND/OR....MASOCHISTS !!!!

Wellllllll.... there is a big confusion and in fact it is Brazil that is a Tropical Mud and America and other developed nations....that are closer to Paradise.!!!!!!

LAUGH----LAUGH----LAUGH !!!!!

How are illegals treated in Brazil ?
- Can they open a banking account ? Of course...NOT ! In American illegals can !
- Can illegals buy a car or pass there driving licence ? Of course...NOT ? In America illegals can buy a car but not pass their driving licence....meaning they had to have it before entering.
- Can the children of illegals go in school ? Of course....NOT ! In America they can.
I could continue for hours...if you wish !

Stupid question :
- Why are Brazilians ALWAYS complaining of how things are abroad....WHEN IT IS NOT ANY DIFFERENT IN THEIR OWN COUNTRY...AND USUALLY FAR WORSE ????
- Why should OTHERS always pay for Brazilians, and Brazilians never pay FOR OTHERS ????

Lets face it :
- Brazilians have no idea of what RECIPROCITY means and have no intention to ever learn the meaning or applying it !!!!
- You expect to have rights that you are not willing to provide to others.

You are simply a bunch of crooks and thieves with no morality !!!!
You have always a ONE WAY vision ! When you can steal OR GET something from others !
And you prove and demonstrate it....DAILY !!!!!!!

Bom Dia, mon ami

So it appears what I have told you becomes clear, no? Now we see war exported to Latin America, US economy in crisis, and all eyes turning south.
What will you do with all the worthless dollars coming to you? Of course, many other currencies are coming your way. Maybe you will give up the Real and go with the Bolivar, eh?(smile)

Seriously, the first shots, both militarily and economically have been fired. Do what is best for Brazil and let God sort out the souls.

Ciao

Boa noite, Lloyd,

Stay tuned and welcome back to the blog!!

How is the Emperor doing these days?

Have to go for a meeting and will come out with my full comments later.

Our central bank has not been as obsessed as yours......to buy the US$.!!!!!
65 % of your foreign currencies reserves are.....in worthless US$ paper.
Thus Your question should be asked to Your idiot Meireiles...not to me.
Yessssss.....what is he going to do to ?

As to our central bank, sorry but we have only 20 % in the US$, 50 % in the Euro....and 30 % in....GOLD !!!!!
These are of course approximate ratios, not changing by much over time.

Guess who is making profits and was and remain the smartest !!!!

I just remind you, once more, that Noooooo currencies in the world has been stronger than the Swiss Franc.....in the last 100 years.

Britsh Pound ? Well all idiots Englishes believe they have a strong currency. But their currency is down over 80 per cent...in the last 40 years.
The Euro did not exist then, but all their local currencies went also down more than 80 % or more....in 40 years.
The strongest....was the DM...but still lost value against the CHF !

Why are we so good ? Simple :
- we keep 20 % plus....in gold....ALL THE TIME. Thus when the US$ is weak....gold price goes up. And just the reverse when
the US$ goes up !
- The EU share of our trade represents 50 %. Therefore we keep around the same percentage in the Euro.

Most years, our central bank makes a LARGE profit.
Listen to that one....now :
- 50 % of the profits are given to the Federal Government.
- 50 % of the profits are given to the various States Government on a prorata basis of their population.

Not bad ! Isnt it !

Thus we are just laughing against the emerging countries who amassed Thouands millions of US$.

On a lighter note : Bank Itau is opening....A SWISS BANK !!!!!!!!

GUESS WHY !!!!!

Another populist lie !
What has America to do with a simple border violation between Colombia and Ecuador.
Reality being that Ecuador....DID NOTHING...to stop the FARCS hiding in their country.

The only thing that was massively exported in LATAM (and in other emerging countries) was....the US$ !
And you were obsessed to import more....every day !
You speculated in the US$...just as much as UBS speculated in the subprime, CDO etc....etc...markets !

On a lighter note : Bank Itau is opening....A SWISS BANK !!!!!!!!

Are you going to preside Itaú in Switzerland. If so, I might consider reopening my a/c in that bank out of consideration for our long frienship

Seriously, the first shots, both militarily and economically have been fired. Do what is best for Brazil and let God sort out the souls.

Lloyd, you are right .The first shots have been fired and it is so obvious that it is a fight between U.S and E.U. and we are right in the midst of it.Not many people realize it, though. If you read the comments of certain individual from Switzerland, you would immediately realize that Switzerland wants to remain neutral (at the same time making more money at the cost of the oppressed masses of the world).

However, let me assure you that it is not going to work this time. Switzerland will be gobbled up by us ( I mean the Bilderberg group) and we will force them to take sides. All the pieces are placed in the right places on the global chess game and Europe will be defeated ultimately.

I only hope that Col.Chavez does not get cold feet at the last moment and seeks asylum in Switzerland (which the money orientated,heartless and caudilho fellow blogger from Geneva is fully capable of granting)

Fica frio, Lloyd

updated 6:51 p.m. ET March 7, 2008

State lawmakers around the country are proposing hundreds of bills this year aimed at curbing illegal immigration, but experts say the cost and public opposition will keep many from becoming law.

Lawmakers in at least eight states are now sponsoring legislation similar to Oklahoma, which last May passed the nation's most comprehensive anti-immigration law.

It restricts illegal immigrants' access to driver's licenses and other IDs, limits public benefits, penalizes employers who hire them and boosts ties between local police and federal immigration authorities.
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The bills are among more than 350 immigration-related proposals unveiled in state legislatures in the first two months of this year, according to a count by The Associated Press.

Sharma Hammond, staff attorney for the legal arm of the Federation for American Immigration Reform, believes states have been galvanized by the collapse two years running of a congressional solution.

"They feel like they have to take it into their own hands because the federal government is doing nothing," said Hammond, whose group helps states write the comprehensive bills and favors a freeze on nearly all immigration.

But it's questionable how many of the bills will become law. Many quickly lose momentum after they're introduced.

Out of more than 100 bills dealing with illegal immigration in the Virginia statehouse, only a few minor ones were likely to pass as the session was scheduled to end Saturday.

In Florida, lawmakers have proposed nearly a dozen bills targeting illegal immigration since January. But at a recent press conference at the state capitol, only two of the bills' backers showed. None of the state House leadership has offered support.


"People are still trying to keep this alive and get the federal government to pass something," said Ann Morse of the National Conference of State Legislatures, which tracks the bills. "But now that the legislation is introduced, states are wondering is this something we need to do right now, or do we need to study it more."

Morse thinks the new comprehensive bills are partly a tool to draw public attention to the issue, especially in an election year. She noted they tend to come with official titles such as "Taxpayer and Citizen Protection Act."

Legal and financial woes
Last year, more than 1,500 anti-illegal immigrant laws were proposed nationwide, with nearly 250 passing, according to a count by the National Conference of State Legislatures. And some of that legislation is now creating legal and financial trouble for state governments.

The Oklahoma law still faces a legal challenge by the U.S. Chamber of Commerce. In Colorado, a proposal to boost the state's immigration enforcement unit may be doomed by its $3.9 million price tag.

Although the University of Arizona saved roughly $70,000 last year by identifying illegal immigrants who are ineligible for in-state tuition under a new law, it estimates the annual cost of identifying such students will be equal if not greater than the savings.

John Trasvina, president and general counsel of the Mexican-American Legal Defense and Education Fund, said despite the flurry of new bills, he believes anti-immigrant sentiment is starting to cool somewhat.

'No longer a free ride'
In part, states may be responding to a national shift, with immigration taking a back seat to the economy and the war in Iraq. All three of the major presidential candidates support a comprehensive immigration law that would eventually legalize many of the country's 12 million illegal immigrants.

"States are finding it's costing them a lot of money," Trasvina said. "It's no longer a free ride, a quick press release."

Maryland Senate President Thomas V. Mike Miller summed up the perspective of a number of state legislatures.

"I don't think that the votes are there to pass a bill in terms of changing the status of immigrants in the state," Miller said. "That means not punitively and not to give them any form of tax advantages either."

The one bill likely to pass in Maryland this year: a study of the effects of immigration.

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You said: “I did not know that your ex-boss Helio Costa now belongs to PMDB. I thought he had switched over from Arena to PT!!”

I was not sure which political party Helio Costa belonged – anyway his political career was backed by the Marinho family. (Globo TV)

I believe PMDB is the party of my friend former president Jose Sarney.

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Talking about a nothing currency and completely irrelevant in world affairs – then you are talking about the Swiss franc.

If you don’t believe me then check the currency composition of official foreign exchange reserves at:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reserve_currency

And becoming even more irrelevant by the day…..

LAUGH----LAUGH----LAUGH !!!!!

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Rank – Country - Foreign exchange reserves (millions of USD) - Figures as of

7 Brazil $ 193,640 March 2008

19 Switzerland $ 75,559 January 2008


Source: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/L...e_reserves


Did you say the Swiss franc…

LAUGH----LAUGH----LAUGH !!!!!

Please tell us another joke.

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Ohh yess.. sure! Part of it.. is the wedding rings from juwish people killed during the WW2.Does not surprise me.. that you are proud of it.

In the cost of the oppressed masses of the world.And the usual (((neutral))) politic

Ch. C.

Only 7th???????????????

What happened???

Lost points because you are landlocked...........

Development Index rankings http://hdr.undp.org/en/statistics/
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in congress there is a bill that would stop most of this alian movement in the US

but congress does not want to pass it but if they dont .

many wont have jobs next elections
we are fed up with the war
me as a military person am pissed off with congress for not giving the money needed to win
the press for going after any small infraction our men make while turnning the other way when the others cut off heads on film , set bombs
off killing there own ,
the press showing how hard it is for people trying to run the border and saying to the world the US should dig wells in the desert for them to have water .

HO for the day when they make it leagle to shoot lawyers , and members of congress
this war and the right equipment ,

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I’M SORRY BUT NO ONE CAN FIGURE WHY WE ARE PUSHING TO DEPORT ILEGIAL ALLENS. HOW ABOUT THEM DRIVING ON OUR ROADS WITH NO DRIVERS LICENSE, IN MOST STATES THEY ARE NOT COVERED BY THE AUTOS INSURANCE. SO NOT ONLY ARE THEY ILEGIAL ALLENS THEY ARE CRIMINALS. THEY CAN DESTROY THOUSANS OF PEOPLES PROPERTY AND EVEN PUT PEOPLE IN A HOSPITAL, WHAT WILL HAPPEN THEY MAY BE SENT HOME. I SAY MAKE ILEGIAL PRESENCE IN THE USA A 20 YEAR JAIL SENTENCE. NOT IN OUR COUNTRY CLUB PRISIONS, HOW ABOUT IN A CONTRACT PRISION SAY IN TURKEY. WONDER HOW MANY ILLEGIALS WE WOUD HAVE THEN.

Many years ago when I stayed in Las Vegas, I stopped in at a church having Mass where the Priest was saying that no longer in the United States is driving or drivers license just an additional privilege but it is all to often a need now for many Americans to survive. He was saying that social attitudes and legislation needs to evolve to the new reality in the United States. Of course this is not a little bit due to the ever increasing urban sprawl problem. There are lots of U.S. citizens in central cities that have their drivers license suspended - for right or wrong.

how does someone wrongly have his drivers license suspended? Too many traffic violations? (speeding, wreckless driving) DUI's? I've yet to hear in my lifetime someone that had their drivers license suspended and did nothing to warrant it.

And isn't it only logical that people residing in any country illegally shouldn't have the legal right to drive in said country?

Don’t you ever have a point to your posts beyond giving your fingers some exercise by dancing them randomly over the keyboard, gimpzoid spazboy? Shut up… All that hot air is damaging the Ozone layer.

Bobão… Here's a bag of pebbles - go find a pond and amuse yourself making pretty rippling patterns.

Costinha

Why don't you read the last sentence the statutory rapist wrote? Can you not see that my response pertains to that?


By the way, exactly when did ICE boot your illegal ass c**ksta?

your the yang to C.CH ying

at times i think you are booth the same person .

like he is the strate half of conjoined twins and you being the gay part
and having a date with the boy of your dreams tonight
and you booth share the same a*****e
any given time one of you is not happy about what is being shoved up your butt


driving in any country is a right given by the state for thoes that meet the
rules and fallow the laws .
you can not even buy a car from a dealer in texas with showing them a drivers permit and insurance

your the yang to C.CH ying

at times i think you are booth the same person .

like he is the strate half of conjoined twins and you being the gay part
and having a date with the boy of your dreams tonight
and you booth share the same a*****e
any given time one of you is not happy about what is being shoved up your butt


driving in any country is a right given by the state for thoes that meet the
rules and fallow the laws .
you can not even buy a car from a dealer in texas with showing them a drivers permit and insurance

Brazil Shuns Iberoamerican Summit, Which Deals with 25 Million Migrants this was nov 2006
c.ch was the only one who posted a thing on it

Wake up..you don´t have this money

You don´t have soldiers enough..equipment enough.Almoust all the hummves are f... up.

hOW ABOUT STARTING WITH YOUR PRESIDENT?

Forrest, you made me guffaw so hard I broke a window. If it weren't for the sub-zero blast of cold air sending a chill into my bones I would have almost forgotten Vitoria and Macae and the various illegals we encountered there and places between.

he is not the main deal he only gets to be there 8 years so most are ham strung from the get go .
now you take people like ted kenndy who has been there for ever filling his pockets with our money while
killing one woman , his other family members have drug & drinking problums cause things that would send the comon man to jail they just check into rehab and all is forgiven ,
not unlike your congress talk big about change then at night forgive the one that is just like the rest .

all peoples need to stop and look at the not so merry road the ones incharge ard paving for themselves
like i have said before .
THEY SEE THEMSELVES AS THE NEW ROLITY AND WE ARE HERE TO SERVE THEM WITH OUR LIVES IF NEED BE .

where did you grow up and what have you done to help others in brasil other than trying to get over on them any time you could
go have a beer and shut up as you have never seen the world through the eyes of the poor and dieing

Cinco brasileiros são detidos na Espanha por fraudes bancárias na internet
Acusados obtinham dinheiro na rede através de 'phishing', diz governo espanhol.
Método consiste no envio de e-mails que buscam obter senhas bancárias.

A polícia espanhola deteve em Barcelona cinco brasileiros acusados de fraudes bancárias através da internet, informou nesta segunda-feira (10) o Ministério do Interior da Espanha.


O dinheiro obtido ilegalmente na rede, através de "phishing" - envio de e-mails ou mensagens que buscam obter senhas bancárias e números de cartão de crédito -, era enviado para diversas contas de banco no Brasil, abertas com documentação falsa.

Um membro da organização, residente no Brasil, ficava responsável por acessar as contas dos bancos on-line das vítimas e depois desviar o dinheiro.

O "phishing" consiste em enviar e-mails e sites falsos de empresas conhecidas para induzir as pessoas a revelar dados bancários e outras informações confidenciais.

Com esse método, criminosos buscam convencer o usuário a colocar seus dados de acesso no suposto site de seu banco, argumentando que precisam de confirmação de dados ou outras solicitações semelhantes.




Brasileiros barrados

A notícia da detenção desses brasileiros acusados de crimes na Espanha é veiculada na semana seguinte a uma crise diplomática entre os dois países, causada pelo impedimento de entrada de brasileiros na Espanha.



Segundo estatísticas do aeroporto de Barajas, em Madri, dois em cada cinco barrados na principal porta de entrada na Espanha em 2007 eram brasileiros.



Cerca de 55% dos estrangeiros que entram no país passam por Barajas. No controle de fronteiras, ainda segundo os dados oficiais de 2007, 50 pessoas, em média, são impedidas de entrar diariamente e devolvidas ao país de origem. Desse total, 20, em média, são brasileiros.


And Brazil wonders why they get a bad rap internationally.


Ever hear the one when St. Peter asked God why he blessed Brazil with so many wonderful natural resources?

1) SOUTHWEST BRAZIL...2) I do much..believe me 3) I am not Beer fan anymore 4)You shot up! 5) Go drink your cheap wine

1)Southwest Brazil in a middle cass family 2)I do much..believe me 3) Iám not a beer fan anymore 4)You shut up!...Because you think you know me.. and you did not 5)Go drink your cheap wine

middle class , have you ever been to the north and see how they are living there , the cane growers where are they in your middle class life style .

how many people did your mom and dad employ the raise you and the other kids in your family ????

did you get a good education at a pravite school .

so you were a drunk are just going to a harder drink .

as for me i dont drink at all and never have .

and you only help yourself and no others ,

we all know the north has the most corupt congress men in brasil .

with the south not that much better you have a complete loss of respect for the laws they make for others to report too

same in the US
but it is our country and when outsiders come here illeagle and demand rights they dont

Pay atenttion: Once I told here, i know all the 27 Brazilian states..with out exeption.That´s why i have moral to talk about Brazil ..good and bad things.But you and some people here ..talk.. talk and talk....and form doubtful opinions about some regions..maybe because it´s the only one that you know.Northeast won space in industry field..compare with 10 years ago.São Paulo alone was responsable for 35% of the economy from Brazil, and now ..27%..of course not all of this was to the Northeast region..but slowly it´s changing.The most impactant it is on the interior of Northeast..but it is as well better than 5 years ago...Education and corruption are the big obstacles.But like i said it´s getting better.

Yes..i have apartment in Northeast..and all the time that iam visiting..i don´t recognize the city..it´s growing and get developted.About sugarcane growers..they are going to Goiás and Mato Grosso do Sul and São Paulo..to cut sugarcane,before this was good for them..but now they are coming back home.

Many many and many believe me!

Not truth!

I feel sorry for you! Because some times..a cold beer at the beach it´s very good

I live on a boat so i dont have to got to the beach .
i also have land in the state of PE 600 hectars whitch my inlaws live on and take care of for me as
i set it up to make money and showed them how to do it with out hurting the anmials , and the land

we raise cows , goats , and are starting to raise addorindikes chickens the one with no clorstol in the eggs
we also do corn , sqush , tamatoes , patateos , beans 4 kindes along with 9 friut trees

soon will be going into goats , and aa lot more fish .

yes it is alot but with 27 family members there and 4 tractors along with 2 large trucks
most of them only work about 35 hours a week whitch they get paid for $560 reals a month
plus i gave them 3 bed room 2 bath homes with running water and gas and eletrity paid by me

and all the food they can eat that we grow

so had to build 16 homes , 4 barns , cross fence the place , drill 5 wells , build 7 ponds for a total of 235 hectors under water .
so feel sorry for the brasilians not me and mine as they are happy
there kids go to a school i built and gave to the city .
they get 3 meals a day of real food not lulas box for the poor .

and after 20 year all have there bule books done and i give them the house and 2 hectors of land with the understanding i have first call to re buy

you have a good day as the sun is on its way up and the fish are under the boat wanting food

how childish this situation with them refusing entrance to numerous europeans makes them appear? Yesterday they refused a spanish guy because he didn't have a return ticket as of yet? They refused others a day or two ago because they said they didn't have "sufficient" enough cash on them? I know for a fact, that numerous foreigners come here with their debit or credit cards and only take the cash that they need from cash machines. It's much better than flying into brazil with thousands of reais in your pocket.

There may be a case or two, imo, that are legitimate and they shouldn't let the people in. But it certainly appears that this is only a "tit for tat", kneejerk, childish response, once again, but the brazilian federal gov't.

Brazil should take into consideration all of the illegal brazilians that exist in other countries....there are millions.

bo it is harder to get money from a debit card than a person carring cash .

you know the little bite the cops want when you drive ,
the beach cops looking for the quick meal or beer money from the gringo .

we all should make it a law that when you enter a country that you have at least $200 cash a day for every person in your party per day you plan to spend in that country shown on your return ticket .
how many brasilians could do that .

try comming to brasil by pravite boat
they come on board take pictures of all your stuff when you check in and give you this big lecture on selling any of the stuff you have on your boat for money as you would be fined and have to pay import tax on said equipment .
then you have to show charts of brasil coast and your ships papers and a captians papers
I had sea map on my computer and they still did try to make me buy new charts from brasil .
mine were made by NOAO in 1999 and the ones they were selling were made by brasilian navy in 1986
tit for tat

go to
www.numbersusa.com
and see what they are up to

We have 4000ha.with 6 havy tractors and 3 colhedeiras last generation.15 workers all types of vegetables..cows for artificial insimination

15 empregos diretos..because the trucks..we prefer to give jobs to the truck drivers on the colheita..so indiretos

Salário rural..it´s nothing special here!!

I work with comission sytem..salário comissão=much more money..from my 15 workers 8 have a car

It´s commom..you don´t charge tham food..and electricity...But you talk like you are doing they a favor

Tha´t just the agriculture part ok?

You are talking with Southwest guy

This properties are ours since 1885.

Go out of your boat..and go visiting Southwest Brasil...Tham you will see real agriculture

But excists one diference here!!This properties are ours since 1885!!!!!!!!!!!!

I missed the hot discussions you two are having and I have to say a couple of things:

Dudu had a traumatic experience while he was living in Germany as a young kid and he had narrated it in this site. Forrest had a traumatic experience in PE losing his beloved Roamdeep, but later he married a fine Brazilian lady. Forrest has plenty to contribute to Brasil and so does Dudu.

I don't like to see my good friends quarreling and so please stop doing it. Really Forrest, you have to visit MS. Please do remember that there are plenty of traditionally well off folks in Brasil who are trying to improve the lives of ordinary fellow citizens, without the government handout. I bet Dudu is one of them.

Thanks and if you both did not like my comments, please do excuse me.

I want to move to brasil and not just Use Brasil for money to send back to the USA ! and Brasil forbids this!! and I would be loyal to Brasil and never return to the USA!! But Brasil will not allow this!! meanwhile Illegal immigrnts want to fleece the USA and invest all of their money in Brasil at the USA's exspense!! I say that is hypocritical!!

can Eduardo make his thoughts known in one post instead of 10 different snipits?

i have see the MG state and the farms .
and no i do not charge them . they are my family and have had it hard enough from brazilians all there lives

they dont have to live behind 2 meter high walls to protect themselves and there belongings
they dont have to tell there kids to go to sleep and they wont be hungry
they dony have bad teeth becaus of lack of proper food
there kids go to school every day and learn about there brazil and its history
then come home and get a real education of the world .
no mine is not a large farm by brazilian standards but i paid for mine it was not stolen , given by the king , or taken by law of old guard .

BO no he cant he does not have the ability to hold a train of thought long enough
comes from brasilian education , drugs , achalo , novelas and there TV shows that always take 30 munits to get to the truth we get to in 5 .
like trying to hold the camra on one woman in the dance line on TV they just cant do it """"""

Joao you know some just jerking a chain .
am off with fatima to singapor then around the east shore and up the coast should be here for another 4 to 5 months
still no beach just clear water good fishing and old friends i have known sence the 70
PETE H
the US is the only country where you can come and do as you pleas and not be a citisen .just a green card will let you stay for ever .
even to go as far as changing the history of the US , taking in god we trust off our money , and off historical quoats .
becaus you find it ofensive , but they are not racisit , only whites can be that .
demanding rights that they dont in there country , but are in the US illeagle and want them , we say no it is a hate crime .
go to brazil and apply for a job at wall-mart you will never get a job , yet in the US any one can work for wall-mart
so we never do business with wall-mart , just mom&pop stores .

heres a joke

3 men waliking on a beach see a lamp
the canadian rubs it and ask the genie to grant him the best farm land in the world . it was granted .
he handed the lamp to the brazilian who wished for all his people to come home and that no outsider ever come to his land again
and that a wall would be built around it so no one could ever come in or leave . well it happend
he handed the lamp to CH>C who ask about the wall , he was told it was 500 metters high and 50 meters thicks and nothing could ever come in or go out ,

HE SAID FINE FILL IT WITH WATER

MG, with exeption on the triângulo mineiro..it´s full of montain land,and don´t belong to southwest Brasil!!Our farm it´s plain like a table.And you are right..your farm it is small for Brasilian standart.And i have doubts that your land has 62 r;gila 28&#xsi;lte e somente10% areia.So don´t come here eating chiken and burt turkey.And if you don´t like this country here..you should move your a s s out of it!!!!!

as most brasilians do they only ezist from one day to another .
that is why my wifes family takes care of it for me , they now are land owners with pride and dont have to work for 20 reals a week
unlike you and yours whom dont work the land but live off the labuor of others they are happy .

we dont burn our food like down south .
we have rooling hills river lakes trees and it dont get cold
we have stears here we dont eat bull meat .

roling hills are better for the cows with grass and corn

you should get out and explor you country and do some real work it is good for the sole

and by the way i can live any where i want and never have to work again
but that is not me i do what i want when i want .

Although it seemed pretty clear, maybe pete h. wasn't just being totally ... No, pete, it's not the way of those in the EUA legally to "fleece" and thence "invest" in Brasil. They do from time to time take care to their families there (while typically living a heck of a lot higher a life than those back home) - but this common both with those legally and illegally in the EUA regardless of where they were originally from.

The situation / information regarding a more or less permanant change going that way (which you started with before seeming press towards being ...), is reasonably / readily available. Short and sweet in Gringo-ese you either 1) Marry a Brasileiro legally while down there, 2) Fazer uma crianca Brasileiro and assume all responsibility / control / care for same, 3) retire with a pension guaranteeing US$2000 (or is it now US$2500?) per month for life to be transfered into the country, 4) form a new business with a brasillian partner / general manager / grant legal power of attorney to same with an externally derived investment of US$50,000 (which will only get you 5 years renewable or until your partner / attorney there wipes you out). Although this is not entirely inconsistent with most transnational transitions - I know how it feels being barred from Meu Pais. Not certain what your stat is but for me 1) is out of the question. 2) my wife won't agree to. 3) is so far down the line it would be better to plan on dying here and 4) takes a heck of a lot more money / balls than us middle of the road types with other obligations would surrender.

BTW, the $50K is really a non-issue, it's the fact that it is only the tip.

BTW peteh, the $50K is really a non-issue, it's the fact that it is only the tip. Plan for 20x

BTW peteh, the $50K is really a non-issue, it's the fact that it is only the tip. Plan for 20x excluding resgate.

Anyway Forrest..good that you don´t work on your farm..our should i call Vila? Because 600ha. with 24 familys looks like.Otherwise it would be a disaster.Because to talk things like:Rolling hills it´s better for the cattle..Really i give up!Are they trying to loose weight??Anway...And BTW you must be this s h i t t y gringos that married a stupid hungry women.Using her to get papers..so they are not the * happy owners*..And of course you can live where you want..but if you have bussiness here in my country..and eat and s**t here..you should have respect you big a s s. We are a Brazilian traditional family..get this big CORNO

our cows dont get hoff rot from flat land and standing water they just walk up the hill.
there waste does not melt down when standing water and soak up in the dryer gresses giving them stomach ills .

your bulls dont get as fat as our steers do in a shorter time line and the meet here in softer to eat dont have to cook it
in a presure pot for 30 munits

like most other gringoes we dont demand respect it is gained by the people you work and live around
while brasilians want respect because of name , or money , or just put DR in frount of there names to show they are better than others .
the reason there are stupid hungry women si people like you not having the goverment spend money on schools . to teach them well enough to get a good paying job ,
HO that is right there are no good paying jobs in brasil for lower class women .
just cleaning ladys , baby sitters , whores ,

you like it that way Eduardo C

by the way have you ever had to realy work for something ?????

Sound´s romantic...But once again, go to southwest Brazil..and try to know about.novilho precoce.. please do us favor (on name of all braziliens farmers)Stay on your boat..and don´t get out!! And you married a no education women..because it´s easy to manipulade...To give there family a VILA..SO THEY ARE THANKFULL to you ,for the rest of your life.But put in your dirty mother fu c k e r head..that iam a brazilian..and pay taxes..and iam sensible about..our problems..and always trying to do something..about. Different tham you..that are exploring..you poor womem....

Yes.. Alien..my dad..died..when i was 7...When I was 16 emancipado..my grantfather..gave us some properties...Since..than ..i take care of it

when you have your back to the wall you resort to bad forms of speaking or talk louder to prove your a bigger man (not impressed )

have been to your state and have seen your farms there look like most farms in brasil just different owners that pay help little and work long hours .

sorry for your loss life is not easy with out a dad

i lost mine at 12

as for as fatima yes she had limited schooling but is no one to push around or try to manipulate

learned english in 6 months did you do that

i also pay taxes in brasil along with several other countries also all my land in brasil is in her name as if i die
first i dont want her to be 14 years with her land and money in brasilian probate court

have you hever looked into that set of brasilians laws

No..but i know it´s terrible!

I am going to Alta Florest (MT)..850km from Cuiabá...Long way in bad roads.Way back easy..206 cessna...See you

u.s. military forces are placed along the u.s. border with mexico,,,,to greet illegal aliens attempting to enter the u.s.........

I am going to Alta Florest (MT)..850km from Cuiabá.

How long does it take to drive from Cuiabá to Alta Floresta, EC? Have a safe round trip.

We don´t started already..but you know..it is a big adventure..one week.minimum.Any quastion about Brazilian geografie..please ask me!

We don´t started already..but you know..it is a big adventure..one week.minimum

Ah, thanks for replying. It must be a big adventure. Keep us informed.

Any quastion about Brazilian geografie..please ask me!

I will certainly do it. Have you ever been to Fernando de Noronha? Some day, I will visit that place.

That criminals are put to an inconvenience

What idiocy that Grigorio thinks human beings and human existence can be "criminalized".

I guess some people just can't think for themselves.

This is almost like criminals protesting against pepper-spray. If you came here illegally, what do you expect, "jeitinho" just for you? If you were Mexican, you can do whatever you want because here in the U.S. everyone looks the other way and Mexicans do whatever they want. Now, let's imagine that Argentinians came to Brazil and did what these illegals are trying to do, what would Lula do? First, they wouldn't be able to get jobs and second, they'd be turned into the Policia Federal and deported. Illegal immigrants think this country is the f'ing casa da sogra where they can come and do whatever they want. Wrong. Illegal immigration is a burden that costs us money. Lots of money. In california it costs over 1.5 Billion dollars to educate the children of illegal immigrants and their stupid taxes that they pay barely covers school lunch! Illegal is just that illegal. If the s* hits the fan and illegals get desperate, just find some nerdy looking American guy who has no chance at a real American girlfriend and marry the poor sap. It's done all over the country. At least that way you're following the law via marriage. There are nerds everywhere looking for a sexy Brazilian girl to marry. Dont' miss the boat. Find and nerd. Get a green card.

I think most of you and many American citizens forget that they all where immigrants too. WE ARE ALL IMMAGRANTS!!!. IIIEGAL OR NOT! I think all your back and forth comments would make the Founding Fathers of this beautiful country sick to their stomach. How hypocritical of people to judge others with out the knowledge of character when their grandparents and great grand parents most likely were welcomed with open arms. That goes to all creed and ethnic backgrounds. If we all stepped back and looked at how immigration to this country as created cities like NY, Miami and LA (modern day Mecca’s) I don’t think there’d be an issue. If illegals became legals they would then pay taxes, which would lessen the Burdon of taxes applied to US citizens and create larger markets. If you all did your research you’d know that Brazilians send over 235 billion dollars back to Brazil. Most of them doing so because of interest of going back to Brazil one day. The fact is if illegals had the opportunity to be legal in this country that number would be less than half. And we are just talking about Brazilians. Imagine the amounts for other ethnic illegals and how they generate. RESEARCH MULTICULTURAL MARKETS!! This beautiful country of hard working generations of immigrants has created a large number of spoiled selfish ignorant offspring. Which voted for a spoiled selfish ignorant president Twice!! So illegal immigrants can’t blame those who oppose them. How can’t you blame the stupid? I guess illegals have to one day talk over. And if you do your research, we will live to see it happen. Look it up!!

what a sob story. remember these are not immigrants they are perpetrating a crime.yes they are criminals and as such should not only be not driving a car here but also not working here. why is this so difficult for people to understand. immigrants are people who applied, waited and pay to be become legal here and are eagerly excepted this ones you whine about are not. end of story, my advice to the expresso sipper is get on a plane and take your hard earned tax free US dollars home and thank your lucky stars you are not rotting in jail like criminals do.

look YALL people that are against immigrants, if yall put yall selfs in their places yall would not be saying that, immigrants are hard working people most of them do jobs that most of the americans wouldnt do, so yall SHUT UP AND put your self in their situation. some immigrants do pay taxes and they still dont have the right to live here?
yall just dont understand how is seeing ur family suffer of hunger and not do nothing thats y immigrants come here. some people dissobey the law but it dont everyone is like that.

Greetings,

I just read Ms Furlan article and I totally agree with her: I am a undocumented immigrant myself; I've been in the US for over 13 years (I came on a tourist visa and overstayed it) and fortunately I live in a state that doesn't require legal residency in order to issue one a driver's license. Because of that I don't (have to ) use any fake documents at all: All mine and my wife's cars have insurance (American Family), and since I am a small business owner, I PAY ALL MY TAXES, and that's a lot of money. I’m actually pretty sure that I pay much more taxes than Mr. Pan (hey, isn't that that boy that never grew up???!!!) and all the others that have posted their opinions here and agree with him; I PROBABLY PAY MORE TAXES THAN ALL THEM TOGETHER! And that's because I have a ITIN number and a driver's license, so I am almost as much American as they are, That's just fair .'.
And I have 3 Kids: One girl (12) and two boys 8 and 6. And they are Americans too, Just like Mr. Pan and his "gang", but with a big difference: I am educating my children so they know even though they're American born they aren't any better than people that came to this country from somewhere else, and that if they want to succeed in this country they will have to work and study very, very hard, instead of weeping about being American. They know even though they were born here, they're ancestors came from somewhere else, just like Mr. Pan's ancestors, unless he is a Navajo, or Apache or Ho-Chunk, etc. Oh but he probably doesn't even know that; must have skiped classes in order to go to play on Neverland, and now he (and others) try to beat frustation talking things too complex for their little understanding and knowlodge.

Thank you.

Charles Andrey

Oh, I forgot to mention that I am Brazilian, and one more contribution from us (Brazilians) to the US is that when our kids grow this country will finally win it's first World Soccer Cup. So relax everyone, and let's wait for a better and brighter future. Thank You.

Charles Andrey