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The Chinazation of Brazil and the Country's Role Inside the BRICS PDF Print E-mail
2013 - May 2013
Written by W. Alejandro Sánchez and Amandha Lopes   
Friday, 03 May 2013 16:27

BRICSIn recent years Brazil has taken its ambitions of becoming a global power to the next level. The Portuguese-speaking giant has experienced major economic and social development over the past decade. As a result, it enjoys a strong military and growing influence both in the geographically defined Western Hemisphere and other regions of the economically defined Global South.

Moreover, Brasília has strongly lobbied for a permanent seat in the United Nations Security Council (UNSC), having already achieved backing from several nations and multinational blocs.

It is no surprise that the country stands as the natural candidate to become the representative of Latin America and the Caribbean in the UNSC should structural reform ever occur.

Furthermore, Brazil will ambitiously host two major sporting events in the coming years, these will be the 2014 FIFA World Cup and the 2016 Summer Olympics in Rio, which, if successfully organized, will enhance Brasília's credentials as a rising global power.

Nevertheless, it is necessary to highlight that not all is well in the Portuguese-speaking giant. Public security continues to be a matter of great concern, along with cases of corruption among high governmental levels.

Perhaps even more worrying, the country's economic growth rates appear to be stalling, which may signal the beginning of a potentially catastrophic burst of the "growth bubble" in the near future.

Problems aside, Brazil has been placed in an elite club of rising global powers known as the BRICS, an acronym drawn from the names of its member states: Brazil, Russia, India, China and, most recently, South Africa. In this report, we will focus on the implications of Brazil's relations with each of its fellow BRICS countries.

BRICS

The acronym 'BRICS' started as an abstraction created by Jim O'Neil, a financial analyst at Goldman Sachs, in a 2001 research paper. No formal alliance originally existed among these nations prior to O'Neil's research. His study, in fact, actually helped to promote the idea of closer ties between these countries. The BRIC's (sans South Africa) inaugural summit took place in the Russian city of Yekaterinburg in 2009.

A plethora of articles have been written about the BRICS nations since then, but a clearer picture can still be painted regarding inter-BRICS relations. It is worth noting that to a considerable degree fractionalization already exists within BRICS as Brazil, India, and South Africa have created a loose alliance known as IBSA (another acronym of the three nations' names). [1]

The IBSA bloc predates BRICS as it was originally created back in 2003 and already has held several meetings. IBSA has even staged joint military exercises. But as with BRICS, IBSA is far from being a united bloc in spite of common foreign policy objectives among its three members (i.e. pushing for UNSC reform). The three-nation group will host its sixth summit this coming June in New Delhi.

In a March 2012 interview with the Council on Foreign Relations, the renowned British journalist and economist, Martin Wolf, provided a less idealistic view on BRICS. [2] He stated that, "these countries have basically nothing in common whatsoever, except that they are called BRICS and they are quite important… the grouping has very specific jealousies within it, particularly the two most powerful members – in terms of their potential, anyway – China and India. There's a lot of mistrust between the two." [3]

In other words, Wolf was skeptical about whether there was a sufficient convergence of interests and views among the BRICS to form a united coalition. Meanwhile, Observer Research Foundation Vice-President Samir Saran and Associate Fellow Vivan Sharan published a February 2010 op-ed in the Indian daily The Hindu. In their commentary, the analysts explained that,

The challenge for BRICS has always been, and continues to be, the articulation of a common vision. After all, the member nations are at different stages of political and socioeconomic development. While some have evolved economically and militarily they are yet to succeed in enabling plural governance structures, while others who represent modern democratic societies are being challenged domestically by inequalities and fault lines created by caste, color, religion and history. [4]

Nevertheless, in spite of the absence of a united front, there have been numerous inter-BRICS initiatives. For example, the South African government has reported that, "Russia has expressed interest in cooperation with South Africa in the construction of nuclear power plants. South Africa's Integrated Resource Plan 2010 indicates that nuclear power should form part of the energy mix by 2030, with the first plant coming online as early as 2023." [5]

Moreover, the BRICS nations continue to attempt major joint projects; among the most potentially game changing moves being discussed is the creation of a BRICS development bank, a project that has since become bogged down over disagreements over which country would host the bank.

Nevertheless, experts believe that this project will eventually take form. COHA Senior Fellow and visiting professor at the Australian National University, Dr. Sean Burges, argues that, "my forecast is that this is going to happen because current IFI rules are preventing Brazilian, Indian and Chinese firms from snagging more infrastructure projects in Africa." [6]

In other words, given the diverging foreign policy interests among the BRICS nations, including military, political, and cultural tensions among them, we should have realistic expectations of what this entity could become. It most likely will not become some kind of transcontinental security alliance, a la NATO.

Perhaps at best, we could see the appearance of several joint financial and commercial projects, making the group a greater force in the international financial system. The following sections will provide a more in-depth analysis of Brazil's relations with fellow BRICS nations particularly from an economic stance.

Brazil and Russia

Brazil and Russia have enjoyed over 180 years of peaceful but modest diplomatic relations. [7] The history of these ties is long and generally uneventful, however they were substantially strengthened following the fall of the Soviet Union and the subsequent birth of the Russian Federation.

It has only been in the last two decades that this bilateral strategic partnership has been pursued in a consistent manner. The many agreements signed by both countries, such as the Brazil-Russia Cooperation Treaty (1997), the Brazil-Russia Military Technology and Transfer Pact (2003), and the Brazil-Russia Strategic Alliance (2005) are but a few of the examples of their increasing cooperation. [8]

Today, Brazil is Latin America's largest trading partner with Russia, and one of the leading suppliers of agricultural products and consumer goods.

Regarding military ties, Brazilian President Dilma Rousseff, signed an agreement in February 2013 to purchase Russian anti-aircraft weaponry. This decision is significant as it will increase Brazil's military strength in terms of defense capability and potentially spur greater militarization throughout Latin America –whether the region is or is not in an arms race is debatable.

The agreement, according to General José Carlos de Nardi, head of the Joint Chiefs of Staff of the Brazilian Armed Forces, would envisage the construction of a factory in Brazil and the exchange of military technologies. The exchange will also open the doors to more bilateral negotiations with the possibility of preparing a contract for future purchases and joint development of new defense products. [9]

The deal's origins date back to meetings held in 2012 between Rousseff and Russian President Vladimir Putin. [10] However, it was in February 2013, during a meeting between Prime Minister Dmitry Medvedev and Rousseff in Brazil that the plan was further consolidated.

Medvedev's agenda was primarily in agreement with General de Nardi, but he also addressed issues such as energy, petroleum, hydropower, nuclear power, and defense with the Brazilian head of state, according to reports from the Press Secretariat of the Presidency.

Amid discussions over the logistics package for investment in Brazilian highways, railways, ports, and airports, Rousseff also used the meeting to invite Russian companies to participate in the infrastructure building process. [11]

Brazil and India

The relationship between Brazil and India owes its historical origins to the Portuguese Empire. This link goes back five centuries, probably the longest relation between Brazil and a BRICS nation. [12]

The Portuguese connection led to the exchange of several agricultural crops between Brazil and India in the colonial days. [13] Diplomatic relations were officially established in 1948, and relations between New Delhi and Brasília have strengthened ever since, as exemplified by the establishment of IBSA and BRICS. [14]

Although geographically the two countries are separated by great distance, they share common values such as democracy and development aspirations. Both are developing countries, important cultural, and trade actors in their regions; both are relatively politically stable, democratic, secular, multicultural, and multiethnic; and both have booming trillion dollar economies. [15]

The two countries avidly advocate for a permanent position in the UNSC for developing countries as they both believe the UNSC should be more democratic, legitimate, and representative. The G4 (a loose political alliance between Brazil, Germany, India, and Japan) is believed to be an innovative way to achieve this goal. Brazil and India are also involved in the IBSA initiative. IBSA, as well as BRICS, should be a great tool to advance economic growth and diplomatic understanding between the countries.

Trade between Brazil and India is growing at the impressive rate of 35 percent per year, despite a decreased economic rate of growth in both countries and the physical distance between them, as Brazil's ambassador to India has pointed out. [16] The implementation of an air service agreement between the two countries is expected to overcome this gap.

According to information available from the Indian Ministry of External Affairs, "bilateral trade reached a figure of $62 billion USD in 2012… This is the first time in the history of economic and commercial relations between the two countries that the bilateral trade has crossed the $10 billion USD mark." [17]

The report also explains that further areas of cooperation include, oil and gas, automobiles, IT, pharmaceutical, engineering goods, bio-fuels, agriculture, allied areas (the bulk of Brazilian cattle livestock is of Indian origin and Brazil still imports fresh embryos from India to rejuvenate its cattle breed), and agro-food sectors. [18]

Oliver Stuenkel, professor of international relations at the University of São Paulo-FGV campus, has strongly advocated for greater BRICS and IBSA relations, especially between India and Brazil. [19]

In a September 2010 commentary for The Times of India, he explained that, besides trade interests, notable common democratic values exist between the two states. As Stuenkel argues, "Brazil and India are the two principal emerging powers whose citizens enjoy a human rights-abiding liberal democratic system." [20]

Brazil and China

Even before BRICS was established, Brazil was regarded as having the potential to be the new China; whether or not this will become a reality is yet to be seen. According to studies, both countries have been hit in varying degrees by the global economic downturn.

Brazil's current GDP growth has barely been above 1 percent, a huge difference compared to its rapid 7.5 percent expansion in 2010, and well below the 3.1 percent average expected for 2013 in Latin America. China, on the other hand, although decelerating, has the growth rate of 7.4 percent, still much better compared to most nations. [21]

However, studies have shown that, public contentment and perceptions of living standards appear not to have followed the same path. According to happiness indexes and gauges of consumer sentiment, Brazil has maintained a strong "feel good" factor, while many in China feel worse off. [23]

There could be many explanations for this phenomenon. An article in the British daily, The Guardian, regarding Brazil-China relations says inequality could be part of the reason. The article explains that, "the nominally capitalist and communist nations are moving in opposite directions from those that might be expected from their ideological labels." [24]

Relations between Brazil and China began in the early eighteen century, and although disrupted by the creation of the People's Republic of China in 1949, diplomatic relations officially reconvened again in 1974. [25] More recently, former Brazilian President Luiz Inácio Lula de Silva along with 450 Brazilian business representatives visited China in 2004 to confirm the growing economic and political relationship between, not only the two countries, but with Latin America as a whole. [25]

Over the past decade Beijing has aggressively sought the natural resources needed to sustain an emerging superpower, and Latin America would be its most obvious and natural choice. China's trade with Latin America reached $241.5 billion USD in 2011, and as has also replaced the United States as Latin America's biggest trading partner. [26]

China became Brazil's largest trading partner in 2009. [27] Additionally, "Former Brazilian President Lula and many in the Brazilian media consider China to be Brazil's most promising business partner and a strategic ally due to China's rapidly rising demand for raw materials and agricultural produce." [28]

Chinese investments in Brazil are concentrated mainly in the energy, mining, steel, and oil industries. Beijing's investment portfolio infuses the Brazilian economy with capital and a huge growth potential, but often encourages questionable practices as well as unfortunate consequences.

The country's interest in raw materials benefits a few big Brazilian suppliers, but in turn exports back cheap manufactured goods which undercut Brazilian rivals both in domestic and regional markets. This deindustrialization trend happens not only to Brazil, but to all of China's trading partners in Latin America.

In addition to deepening Latin America's dependence on the export of natural resources, many have good cause to grieve over the corrupt Chinese practices of buying up land from peasants and paying below-industry wages.

Despite generally having a friendly and relatively close trade relationship with China, Brazil has publicly criticized many of Beijing's policies, especially in regards to the so-called Currency War. [29] Brazil has also criticized U.S. policy, advocating against escalating economic tension concerning trade and currency.

Although many believe China is using economic diplomacy in Latin America to undermine or threaten the United States, as well as the relatively recent Latin American return to democracy, that hypothesis has yet to be proven correct. [30] Brazil's well-established, working democracy is not threatened by China's ideology.

Still, China's presence may affect political and economic developments in other parts of Latin America in terms of how to hone productive cooperation among China, the United States, and Latin American nations.

Stanford University Research Fellow William Ratliff argues that although it is a constant challenge to get China and the United States to get along, so far in Latin America they have done relatively well. [31]

Nevertheless, the meeting of the two nations has been complicated by the Latin American countries that require this engagement. The region's particular characteristics could either draw China and the United States into greater cooperation or worsen the relationship, depending on Latin America's readiness and its capacity to mediate between Washington and Beijing.

One of the most recent agreements between the governments occurred during the BRICS Summit in South Africa. It has been reported that Brasília and Beijing have agreed to a three-year arrangement in which they will trade using the other parties' currencies, amounting to about $30 billion USD per year. This has been interpreted as a challenge to the U.S. dollar. [32]

The relationship between Brazil and China is obviously a profitable one; the only question remaining is whether or not Brazil and the rest of Latin America will ensure this will be a mutually profitable relationship rather than one skewed towards China's interests.

Brazil and South Africa

The dynamics between Brasília and Pretoria may be the least known of the intra-BRICS relationships, but there have been some interesting developments on issues such as binational governmental support of commerce-related initiatives.

For example, in July 2010, the presidents of both nations signed a Strategic Partnership Declaration and a Memorandum of Understanding on Cooperation in the field of Intergovernmental Relations, to increase diplomatic relations. [33]

Later, in November 2011, the Brazilian Ministry of Development, Industry and Foreign Trade (MDIC), the Brazilian Ministry of External Relations (MRE), and the Brazilian Trade and Investment Promotion Agency (Apex-Brasil), organized a delegation of entrepreneurs that traveled to South Africa.

At the time, Apex-Brasil President Mauricio Borges stated, the African continent is a prominent destination for Brazilian exports, especially manufactured products with higher added value. The region presents itself as an important platform for internationalization and the installation of new industrial plants. [34]

Over the period January – August 2011, Brazilian exports to South Africa totaled to $ 1.12 billion USD. During the same interval, Brazil imported $ 806.48 million USD from its South African counterparts. Brazilian exports  comprised chiefly of frozen poultry, whole birds ($ 134.44 million), motor vehicles with internal combustion engines (US$ 71.23 million), road tractors for semi-trailers (US$ 70.99 million), cane/beet sugar and chemically pure sucrose ($58.8 million USD) as well as iron ore agglomerates and concentrates ($ 36.27 million USD). [35]

In terms of cooperation regarding social initiatives, South Africa has tried to learn from Brazil's "Fome Zero" program, which combats hunger and poverty in the Portuguese-speaking country. Back in February 2012, a delegation of South African government officials, including members of the National Developmental Agency (NDA), the South African Social Security Agency (SASSA), Provincial Heads of Government (HOD), and the Department of Rural Development and Land Reform, visited Brazil to learn more about the successes of the aforementioned program. South Africa has launched a similar campaign called "Food for All Campaign." In a media interview, Vusi Mandonsela, Director of South Africa's Department of Social Development, explained that,

The objective of South Africa's visit to Brazil was to understudy how the country has managed to reduce poverty, hunger and malnutrition within a space of over a decade. As part of our mission, we visited the City of Belo Horizonte in the state of Minas Gerais, where the genesis of the Brazilian Journey began, to a society free from hunger and poverty. [36]

Furthermore, South African scholars are also fomenting greater analytical projects on BRICS. For example, a think tank called the South African Institute of International Affairs (SAIIA), based in Johannesburg, has promoted the analysis of African relations with the rest of the world, including Brazil, as well as South Africa's relationship with the BRICS nations. [37]

Nevertheless, not everything has been ideal in the relations between Brasília and Pretoria. For example, in June 2012, Brazil took South Africa to the court of the World Trade Organization (WTO), over tariffs that Pretoria had imposed on chicken imports from Brasília. [38]

According to reports, South Africa imposed extra tariffs ranging from 46.6 percent to 62.9 percent (depending on the exporting company utilized) on whole chicken and chicken breast imports from Brazil, alleging that the Brazilian suppliers were dumping their products on the South African market. These tariffs were in addition to pre-existing 5 percent tariffs on whole chickens and 27 percent on chicken breasts. The Brazilian Ministry of Development has estimated that the South African measures are costing the Brazilian economy $70 million USD a year. [39]

In a 2012 SAIIA publication, the think tank explained that "it is, firstly, not clear what South Africa's motivation for joining the BRICs is and what it seeks to gain from its membership. It is also not evident what South Africa's strategy towards the BRICs is, and how this fits into the country's wider global strategy." [40]

In addition, SAIIA's Dr. Mzukisi Qobo and University of Cape Town's Dr. Mills Soko discussed how South Africa's BRICS membership will affect the aforementioned loose IBSA alliance. [41] With regards to the Brasília-Pretoria relationship, relations remain in good shape, in spite of the aforementioned "chicken war." Even if the IBSA and BRICS do not create a united bloc, they have arguably helped bring both governments closer together.

The Road Ahead

Brazil is Latin America's rising star and it certainly has ambitious policy goals, such as a permanent seat in the UNSC to go along with its rising status. With that said, its relations with its fellow BRICS nations, while strong, cannot be compared to the exemplary rock solid alliance between the United States and the United Kingdom, which is dubbed as the "special relationship."

It is preposterous to assume that close diplomatic and commercial relations, along with some military arms sales, translate into a military alliance between Brasília and Beijing, or Brasília and New Delhi. Military issues are not at the center of the BRICS initiative – naval exercises between the IBSA nations notwithstanding.

Non-idealistic analyses of BRICS's future see the loose grouping, as a commercial-oriented bloc to increase inter-BRICS trade and perhaps achieve some kind of unified stance on foreign policy issues. The underlying goal would be to challenge Washington's supremacy over the global economic order.

Nevertheless, the fact that BRICS failed to agree on the creation of a development bank in South Africa gives validity to the idea that this alliance is still made up of governments, which have clear foreign policy goals and may not "give in" to the aspirations of other group members in order to promote the group's unification.

As for Brazil's relations with each BRICS member, they have been generally positive in spite of occasional incidents such the "chicken war" with South Africa or the dispute with fellow BRICS nations over the headquarters of the group's development bank. Nevertheless, as long as Brazil's economy continues to grow and its domestic politics remain stable, it should easily find willing trade partners in Pretoria, New Delhi, Beijing and Moscow.

As an addendum to this analysis, Guido Mantega, Brazil's Minister of Finance, has declared that the BRICS heads of state and ministers of finance aim to have the final details of the proposed BRICS development bank finalized in 2014. [42]

It will be interesting to see if this a premonition that comes true, signaling that Brazil and fellow BRICS nations can agree on major projects, or if this will be just another in a list of empty promises.

Notes:

[1] India-Brazil-South Africa, Official website, http://www.ibsa-trilateral.org/

[2] Alessi, Christopher, "Does the BRICS Group Matter?" Council on Foreign Relations, Interview, Interviewee: Martin Wolf, March 30, 2012. http://www.cfr.org/diplomacy/does-brics-group-matter/p27802

[3] Ibid.

[4] Saran, Samir and Vivan Sharan. "Giving BRICS a non-western vision," The Hindu, Op-ed. February 14, 2012, http://www.thehindu.com/opinion/op-ed/article2889838.ece

[5] "President Zuma boosts economic relations with Brazil and the Russian Federation," South African government information. March 28, 2012. http://www.info.gov.za/speech/DynamicAction?pageid=461&sid=26308&tid=62802

[5] Burges, Sean. COHA Senior Fellow. E-mail interview with the authors. April 18, 2013.

[6] "Brasil – Rússia: 180 anos das relações diplomáticas," Embaixada da Federação da Russia no Brasil, Parceria Estratégica Brasil Rússia, http://www.brazil.mid.ru/pr/par09_01.html

[7] "Russia," Ministério das Relações Exteriores (Brazil),  http://www.itamaraty.gov.br/temas/temas-politicos-e-relacoes-bilaterais/europa/russia-1/pdf

[8] Gielow, Igor, "Brasil negocia a compra de sistema antiaéreo da Rússia," Forças Terrestres,   http://www.forte.jor.br/artilharia/antiaerea/brasil-negocia-a-compra-de-sistema-antiaereo-da-russia/

[9] "Negociações russo-brasileiras em Moscou: colaboração militar e relações econômicas," Voz da Russia – Radio, December 14, 2012, http://portuguese.ruvr.ru/2012_12_14/Coopera-o-da-R-ssia-com-o-Brasil-desenvolve-se-de-forma-intensiva-disse-Putin/

[10] Alcantara, Diogo, "Contrato para compra de bateria antiaérea russa sai em 3 meses," Terra.com ( Brazil), February 20, 2013,http://noticias.terra.com.br/brasil/contrato-para-compra-de-bateria-antiaerea-russa-sai-em-3-meses,5e0c3a5d209fc310VgnVCM5000009ccceb0aRCRD.html

[11] Embassy of India in Brazil, http://indianembassy.org.br/bilateral/

[12] Ibid.

[13] Embassy of India in Brazil, http://indianembassy.org.br/

[14] "Comércio entre Índia e Brasil está crescendo rapidamente,"India-Brazil Chamber of Commerce, Noticias Brasil, November 9, 2012,  http://www.indiabrazilchamber.org/?p=4389

[15] Ibid.

[16] "India-Brazil Relations", Ministry of External Affairs (India), February 2013, http://www.mea.gov.in/Portal/ForeignRelation/Brazil_Relations_as_on_feb_2013.pdf

[17] Ibid.

[18] To read Professor Stuenkel's work on these issues, see his blog: Stuenkel, Oliver, "Post-Western World," http://www.postwesternworld.com/

[19] Stuenkel, Oliver, "Why Brazil Matters," The Times of India, September 1, 2010, http://articles.timesofindia.indiatimes.com/2010-09-01/edit-page/28229782_1_president-luiz-inacio-lula-first-brazilian-president-brazilian-politics

[20] Watts, Jonathan, "Lessons from the BRICS, part I: can Brazil and China keep growing?" The Guardian (UK), World News, December 18, 2012  http://m.guardiannews.com/world/2012/dec/18/booming-economies-lessons-brics-brazil-china

[21] Ibid.

[22] Ibid.

[23] "História do Crescimiento da China," TudoSobre.org http://china.tudosobre.org/historia/historia-do-crescimento-da-china.html#.UV2-w5M3u8A

[24] Harris, Jerry (2005). "Emerging third world powers: China, India and Brazil". Race & Class 46 (3): 7–27

[25] Moore, Malcom, "China Overtakes the US as Brazil's largest Trading Partner,"  The Telegraph, May 9, 2009,  http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/economics/5296515/China-overtakes-the-US-as-Brazils-largest-trading-partner.html

[26] Ibid.

[27] De Freitas Barbosa, Alexandre and Ricardo Camargo Mendes, "Economic Relations between Brazil and China: A Difficult Relationship," Dialogue on Globalization, Briefing Papers/ FES Brazil, January 2006 http://library.fes.de/pdf-files/iez/global/50190.pdf

[28] Webb, Tim, "World gripped by 'international currency war,'" The Guardian (UK), September 28, 2010 http://www.guardian.co.uk/business/2010/sep/28/world-in-international-currency-war-warns-brazil

[29] Phillips, Nicola. "Re-Ordering the Region? China, Latin America and the Western Hemisphere." European Review of Latin American and Caribbean Studies/Revista Europea de Estudios Latinoamericanos y del Caribe.90 (2011): 89-99.

[30] Ratliff, William. "In Search of a Balanced Relationship: China, Latin America, and the United States." Asian Politics & Policy1.1 (2009): 1-30.

[31] Villareal, Ryan, "So Long, Yankees! China And Brazil Ditch US Dollar In Trade Deal Before BRICS Summit" International Business Times, March 26, 2013,http://www.ibtimes.com/so-long-yankees-china-brazil-ditch-us-dollar-trade-deal-brics-summit-1153415

[32] "Africa: South Africa, Brazil Strengthen Intergovernmental Relations," AllAfrica.com, July 9, 2010, http://allafrica.com/stories/201007090884.html

[33] "Increasing Brazil and South Africa trade relations, delegation arrives," Bizcommunity.com, November 15, 2011, http://www.bizcommunity.com/Article/196/174/67167.html

[34] Ibid.

[35] "Brazil inspires South Africa through its 'Zero Hunger strategy,'" International Policy Centre for Inclusive Growth, February 2, 2012, http://pressroom.ipc-undp.org/brazil-inspires-south-africa-through-its-zero-hunger-strategy/

[36] "Brazil and Africa," South African Institute of Global Affairs, Dossier webpage, http://www.saiia.org.za/great-powers-africa-overview/brazil-and-africa-publications.html

[37] Campbell, Keith, "A game of chicken as Brazil takes South Africa to the WTO," Engineering News, Foreign Trade, June 22, 2012,  http://www.engineeringnews.co.za/article/a-game-of-chicken-as-brazil-takes-south-africa-to-the-wto-2012-06-22

[38] Ibid.

[39] Soko, Mills and Mzukis Qobo, "South Africa and the BRICs: A Crisis of Identity in Foreign Policy," The Mail & Guardian, January 7, 2010, http://www.saiia.org.za/great-powers-africa-opinion/south-africa-and-the-brics-a-crisis-of-identity-in-foreign-policy.html

[40] Ibid.

[41] Travaglini, Fernando and Iuri Dantas, "Mantega propõe criar banco do Brics em 2014," Yahoo Noticias (Brasil), March 26, 2013, http://br.noticias.yahoo.com/mantega-prop%C3%B5e-criar-banco-brics-2014-105100034–finance.html

 

W. Alejandro Sánchez is a Research Fellow at the Council on Hemispheric Affairs, and Amandha Lopes is a Research Associate at the Council on Hemispheric Affairs.



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THE GOAL IS SIMPLE: INDEPENDENCE FROM AND END OF USA HEGEMONY! (1)
written by Otton Bexaron, May 05, 2013
Celso Amorim has clearly explained Brazil's geopolitical and geostrategic "area" of "interest": South and Central America, the Caribbean and Western Africa. And he has warned also and cautioned Brazil's economic interests against overwhelming the national domestic enterprises of the nations in this "area" and instead create new enterprises within their national economies. Brazil has NO "strong" military influence over any nation in this "area of interest" - but relatively modest programs of cooperation. Chile, Argentina and Colombia cooperate on the development of a military transport aircraft (with the Czech Republic), and Brazil maintains several weapons development projects with Chile, Argentina and South Africa. Brazil's military has assistance programs for several nations in Western Africa, especially Angola and Namibia. And Brazil attempts to rally all nations on both sides of the SOUTH ATLANTIC - to keep NATO from expanding into the SOUTH ATLANTIC (U.S. plan: "Cut the Atlantic-divide", revealed in Sept. 2010 at Lisbon NATO "Future" Conference. Brazil's Defense Minister Nelson Jobim immediately rang the alarm bells in Brazil and emphatically rejected the expansion of NATO into the SOUTH ATLANTIC. When NATO sent its salesman to Brazil, the German former NATO strategist Gen. Klaus Naumann, Defense Minister Jobim humiliated the NATO envoy during the "Conferencia Segurance Forte Copacabana" (see "publicao" for 2010 in "Fundacao Konrad Adenauer). The "debate" was also published in "Defesanet". Since then the term "dissuasao" (dissuation) has become the term used to explain Brazil's strategy to keep NATO and the U.S. as distant as possible from South America and the South Atlantic. A submarine construction program and nuclear material program is firmly pursued.
THE GOAL IS SIMPLE: INDEPENDENCE FROM AND END OF USA HEGEMONY. (2.)
written by Otton Bexaron, May 05, 2013
The most hostile media against Brazil and Brazilians - you guessed it - is in Germany (including its government-sponsored worldwide TV and radio service DEUTSCHE WELLE -with more rude propaganda against Brazil then even the sly BBC or "Economist"), although Germany's industry is heavily present in Brazil and renders an important service to Brazil's domestic development. Recently a business publication in Germany pointed at the scandalous problems of national development mega-projects - in Germany and termed Brazil's projects' problems relative less dramatic. In Germany two major development projects are years behind schedule, billions over budget - and may never be completed: :"Stuttgart 21" a mega underground rail hub for Central Europe - opposed by Germany's "Gruene Partei" (eco-fanatics under influence from Britain) and their opportunistic ally "Linke Partei" (eco-trotskists) - both also active subversively against and in Brazil as "Fundacao Heinrich Boell" and "Fundacao Rosa Luxemburg". And the "Berlin Capital Airport" Hauptstadtflughafen BER - in which nothing fits together and from which all investors try to escape. The construction of a major philharmonic hall "Elbsymphonie" in Hamburg also has become a scandalous boondoggle. Brazil is 22 times the size of Germany, has 2.5 times the population, has 27 states instead of 13 provinces - thus logically Brazil present more challenges for its federal government. Much of the violence in Brazil is caused not by premeditated crime but by impulse - frictions between neighbors (especially in the vast rural and selvatic territories), and within families. The average Brazilian, even "white", might find living in some zones of Germany hazardous due to strong Neo-Nazi sympathies in many small cities. Germany's police and national security (Verfassungs-Schutz) turned a blind eye towards Neo-Nazi violence and terrorism and then when called to reveal its lack of action - all documents were shredded: The trial is now drawing major attention in Europe - because of the murder of several Turks and Greeks who had immigrated and started small businesses in Germany. The USA obviously has its own periodic mega-slaughters due to the gun-cultists. The F-35 "multi-service-purpose" fighter jet in the USA is 5 years behind schedule and several hundred billion dollars over budget...
THE GOAL IS SIMPLE: INDEPENDENCE FROM AND END OF USA HEGEMONY. (3.)
written by Otton Bexaron, May 05, 2013
According to Celso Amorim: Sergei Lavrov, Russia's Foreign Minister approached him in the UN in 2008 with the idea of BRIC as a geopolitical issues alliance. Lavrov and Amorim then went to the Chinese who at first were hesitant. BRICS is only, what the Chinese explain as an ISSUES ALLIANCE: Partners of an "issue alliance" will agree on the common goal of the issue - but otherwise will pursue their own, sometimes opposed interests. Thusly, whatever the BRICS may develop among themselves: Economic, financial, military, diplomatic - is secondary and transitory. THE GOAL IS INDEPENDENCE FROM AND END OF USA HEGEMONY: Worldwide!!! That means: Cooperation among the BRICS to break the U.S. hold over the UN, oppose the expansion of NATO and all other U.S.-sponsored military-strategic alliances ("security partnerships"!), diminish and if possible eliminate the intervention of the tens of thousands NGOs from the USA, Britain, Germany, France, Canada, Sweden, Vatican - which together are substantially financed and "orientated" by those governments to subvert the domestic political systems, to paralyse the national economic development, and to disrupt ethnic and social national cohesion in the BRICS (and 100+ other nations). In 2011, Brazil National Intelligence Agency ABIN was allowed to "leak" a document analyzing and the financing of the major "foreign NGOs" (all from USA and Britain) active in the worldwide campaign to stop the building of the Belo Monte Dam. The document was published and applauded by the media in Brazil - ranging from the national conservative DEFESANET to the communists "PORTAL VERMELHO" because on the matter of national independence - in Brazil and a few other nations in South America - the legitimate national left and the national conservatives - agree to "dissuade" the agencies (NGOs) of the U.S. and NATO. (See: CONVERSA AFIADA ABIN ONGS). In 2012, Russia began to apply the same "Foreign Agents Registration Act of 1938" of the USA in Russia: If you get money from outside Russia to influence domestic political issues - you must register, document and explain it to the national government. In 2012, in India, after an exasperated Prime Minister M.Singh complained in "Science": "The USA does not appreciate India's need for energy!" - the Home Ministry cancelled financial transfer permits of 4,141 NGOs of the USA, Britain, Germany, France, Sweden - active in India. Reason: "Diversion of fund against the national interests of India". (The U.S. and NATO try to stop construction of both hydro-electric dams as well as nuclear power plants in India! Just as the try similarly in Brazil). One agent from Germany (Sonnteg Reiner Hermann) was arrested and deported. 2013, the government of Bolivia expelled USAID the most visible U.S. subversive NGO worldwide. Summary: BRICS is only a geopolitical issues alliance. Anybody who wastes time worrying about the compatibility of their economies, political systems, security issues - will be tilting windmills. India and China will try to outmaneuvre each other in Southeast Asia and have clashes between military units in the Hymalayas. Russia will try to curb China's influence in its "Far East", while China will refuse to pay the price for Russia's gas. China will continue to overpower domestic consumer industry in Brazil, while Brazil's "concorcios" will invade the economies in Southern Africa. But the BRICS will continue to diminish the geopolitical hegemony of the U.S. and its NATO Partners" (including the Vatican!). The goal of the BRICS is a "multipolar world". The Chinese have already realistically analysed: In a "multipolar world"
would be a number of "key nations"... Thus, obviously - a "multipolar world" would be more balanced, but not without the impact of "key nations". Due to its size in South America, Brazil has the challenge to balance the needs and interests of all nations in South America and if possible strengthen the independence of Central America, the Caribbean and Western Africa.
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written by asp, May 05, 2013
first, your take on violence in brazil came out of your ass..where the f**k did you get that from? violence in brazil is fueled in a great part by huge organised crime gangs , and the flood of cocaine and arms coming in to escalate brazil's violence into war figures equal to iraq

the national concervatives and far left are part of the problem in brazil like they are in the usa...mostly a bunch of idiots , embroiled in corruption scandals and making bizzarre claims and since its the left and right , you get the combined bulls**t of the right will fear monger you and the left will threaten and guilt trip you...f**k them both in both countries

have you done any research on what the dam is going to do to indian people and lands at all? because i have seen some relative docus, and the politions talking the crap you are mentioning sound like some viscous sharks who are only interested in financial and political gain...so f**k them

and, you know, great if brazil can lesson usa hemogy, but, the brics will just get a hernia making such a big effort to do that, they should just do it naturaly based on the realities of their individual situations, not some political agenda that might blow up in their faces

your report has a lot of swiss cheese s**t holes and i smell the bulls**t smell of an agenda with all the wrong information
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written by asp, May 05, 2013
i mean how much f**king energy has been wasted by the national concervatives and far left in throwing down bulls**t scare tactics that the usa is going to invade them from the colombia bases?

i mean really, what a sack of grade a bulls**t

people wasting time on assumptions like that really deserve to go take a s**t and releive themselves of some constapation because they are really wasting time and energy from attacking the real problems that are happening in society
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written by Célio Eichmann, May 05, 2013

INDEPENDENCE FROM AND END OF USA HEGEMONY.

The most hostile media against Brazil and Brazilians - you guessed it - is in Germany (including its government-sponsored worldwide TV and radio service DEUTSCHE WELLE -with more rude propaganda against Brazil then even the sly BBC or "Economist")


Very conflicting and confusing statement. Are we fighting the "hegemony" of the Americans or the hate mongering German government sponsored propaganda machine towards the Brazilians or the "Chinazation" of Brazil or all of them?.

THE GOAL IS SIMPLE: INDEPENDENCE FROM AND END OF USA HEGEMONY (4.)
written by Otton Bexaron, May 05, 2013
The "debate" (2010) between Brazil's (then) Defense Minister Nelson Jobim and the NATO "envoy", Germany's Gen. K. Naumann is recorded in: "Fundacao Konrad Adenauer" publicacao "Conferencia Seguranca Forte Copacabana 2010", as well as in "buscar" function of "Defesanet" (try "Nelson Jobim debate OTAN" or other combinations).All KAS publicoes (now also in English for U.S. agents!)about the annual conference 2011, 2012 are revealing the U.S.-NATO insistence for "security partnership" which both Brazil's right and left nationalists reject and see as an initial step for intervention. Although Nelson Jobim later was dismissed by Presidenta Rousseff due to inacceptable remarks, and although Nelson Jobim has always opposed the "center-left" sociology - his stand against the NATO expansion and later his rallying cry for South America's defense against "threats from outside" during the LAAD in April 2011 - mark him as a notable figure in Brazil's geostrategic history. Jobim really humiliated Germany's Gen. Naumann, after Naumann declared: "The U.S. needs Europeans as partners for its role in the world!" - Jobim retorted with: "We are not partners of the U.S. for its role in the world! Only South Americans are responsible for the defense of our sub-continent and we need a "dissuasive" capacity against threats from the outside! Europeans will not have an independent foreign policy even in the next thirty years!" (The Germans clearly expressed their sense of having been put-down!). In the LAAD, April 2011, Jobim told the other defense ministers of South America: "Our subcontinent will be threatened during the next 50 years over our resources. We need a dissuasive capacity against threats from outside our region!". The former director of combined intelligence (Military, Federal Police, Nat. Intel. Ag.) in the Amazonia region, Col. ret. G.Fregapani (dismissed by Lula because he publicly protested, like Gen. A.Heleno the regional military commander, against subversion by "foreign NGOs" in the Amazon region), considers the U.S. and Britain as the only current potential military adversaries of Brazil.
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written by Célio Eichmann, May 05, 2013

Jobim told the other defense ministers of South America: "Our subcontinent will be threatened during the next 50 years over our resources. We need a dissuasive capacity against threats from outside our region!".


Jobim knew and still knows to spot out an arsehole when he sees one.BTW, where is Naumann now, in Kabul or the interior of RS?
Germany today hunts for Nazis in Brazil 2013: Smoke screen to hide the NSU process:
written by Otton Bexaron, May 06, 2013
The mouth piece of the USA and NATO-Europe in Brazil - the O ESTADO DE SAO PAULO , just had three articles concerning Germany's renewed interest to hunt for old Nazi hiding in Brazil (68 years after 1945). This is a smoke screen for the international public,and save Germany's image, especially in South America and in Brazil: To hide the beginning NSU court case in Germany which may last over 2 years. Today man Neo-Nazi organizations are active in Germany, which have the tacit support of possibly 15-20% of Germans (less then 70 million, plus 17 million immigrants from other nations). In the 1990's, 8 Turks, one Greek, and one German female police officer - were murdered and over 20 other people injured by a Neo-Nazi terrorist cell "Nationalsozialistischer Untergrund" (Nationalsocialist Resistance). But this was not "discovered" until 2011! In the preceding years, Germany's police had pointed at ethnic mafias or drug gangs among immigrant Turks and Greeks (2 million Turks or Turkish-descendants live in Germany). The German police kept harassing the victims families - all operators of small fruit & vegetable stores - to press for inside information. But in the meantime - Germany's Federal "Bundesverfassungschutz" (like FBI in the U.S. ) had amassed many files on the many Neo-Nazi movements in Germany - including the NSU - through its paid informers in the Neo-Nazi movements - who used the funds to finance the Neo-Nazi movements while those informants fed mostly trivia or deceptions to the "Bundesverfassungschutz", although on hindsight, the "Bundesverfassungschutz" had enough information due to the internal frictions among ambitious Neo-Nazi groups. In 2011, the NSU Neo-Nazi cell was finally discovered - the two men committed suicide, the female burned the apartment and refuses to talk, and Germany's federal "Bundesverfassungschutz" hastily shredded its files about the NSU before the State Prosecutors could secure them! Next week a much watched process will begin in Germany, which may last more then 2 years, to sort out why Germany's federal government and police failed across the decades of the Neo-Nazi terrorism campaign. (Notice nothing appeared in the "Estado" or "Globo" - which avoid news really detrimental to the image of U.S. or NATO-Europe's variety of "democracy"). There has been a fierce fight among the press for a seat in the courtroom - which finally resulted with the inclusion of journalists from Turkey and Greece - and some of Germany's newspapers having to agree to use a common "pool". In the meantime, the UN Committee against Racism ,CERN has called on Germany to upgrade its anti-racism legislation to UN agreed standards and to report within 60 days about what remedial action are being taken: Racist taunts which a punished by law in Brazil and even in the USA - can be published in Germany, even by prominent politicians like the Social-Democrat Sarrazin in his book about "Germany finishing itself" due to immigration from the "wrong" societies - who "only breed more headscarve-girls". His book was a bestseller among "good Germans".
A Question Of Intent...
written by Lloyd Cata, May 08, 2013
Apparently Otton Bexaron has a narrative which Brasilia/asp have issue with; smilies/shocked.gifsmilies/tongue.gifsmilies/cool.gif

The author and article are well reviewed, and sourced, as was the 'response' from Mr. Bexaron.

I await the comment of our esteemed moderator, but I understand his reluctance as it will take lots of "research & homework" to form an 'intelligent' response.

Does Brazil have 'ambition' to be the "Hegemon-of-the-South"? Will Brazil drive its neighbors into the hands of the Imperialists, Capitalists, or Comrades in Moscow/Beijing/WallSt(?)
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written by asp, May 08, 2013
yeah, cata, i guess you are one of the dickheads who think the usa is going to invade brazil...that is what motherf**kers want to make it look like in the military dictatorships, that the usa invaded brazil

the extreme left here in congress is responsible for letting batisti, the marxist murderer from italy, in with asylum and kicking cuban boxers trying to escape real dictatorship

what kind of f**king bulls**t assholiness is that?

the far right and far left are f**king brazil in the ass just like in the usa

this commenter must be in germany, making his long distance analysis just like you
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written by João da Silva, May 08, 2013

The author and article are well reviewed, and sourced


Agreed.One of the authors might be an old friend of ours who used to go under the name of "Alex Sanchez" who IMHO is a good researcher and unbiased in his geopolitical views. Perhaps the noble commentator who complimented the article hasn't read Alex's previous publications in this magazine.Maybe if they had been published in NYT, he would have paid more attention.smilies/cool.gif

I await the comment of our esteemed moderator, but I understand his reluctance as it will take lots of "research & homework" to form an 'intelligent' response.


You didn't have to wait too long. Our esteemed moderator ASP responded to your comment ASAP , didn't he?smilies/smiley.gifsmilies/wink.gifsmilies/cheesy.gif
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written by João da Silva, May 08, 2013

You wrote in the "other" thread:

joao , well, interesting to see you back again...without you, this blog is going no where

what a pity we had to rely on lloys cata to go forward


Thanks ASP & you are too kind. I was pretty busy solving some personal and professional problems and as you know, you cant depend on the "hired hands" these days.smilies/sad.gif

It was really my intention to get Dr.L.C. to get off his butt and start being useful. Happy to note he obliged.smilies/cheesy.gif

BTW, do you know what happened to the mortal remains of "El Comandante" and one of the "Boston Bombers"?smilies/shocked.gif
BRAZZIL blog serves a positive purpose .
written by Otton Bexaron, May 08, 2013
Most of the articles that appear published in BRAZZIL are excellent and serve the purpose to inform those seriously interested in understanding Brazil. Some articles are only emotional "green-environmentalist" reproductions copies of concerned opinions as well as deliberate propaganda from NGO "enterprises". (Ignore commentaries entered by "loners" who enjoy playing "macho" by writing expletives. During their boring nights they infest even Foreign Policy, Washington Post, O Estado: IT COMES WITH THE TERRITORY - of freedom of expression.)
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written by asp, May 08, 2013
And just where the fuk are you posting from , otton, because you are giving a lot of misinformation...like you are reading about brazil long distance...for sure you know nothing of the origins of violence

and what the fuk, anyone who is using communist party mother fukers as referances deserves to be cussed out... any mothre fuker that think communism is hunky dory and just fine is just full of bulls**t and there opinions ought to be scrutinised ridiculed and taunted

i mean really, seriously, fuk communism up the ass , that is some tired s**t...god it failed so badly, yet mother fukers are actualy still looking to it like it is some kind of noble snot...fuk that bulls**t
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written by asp, May 08, 2013
i mean what kind of motherfukers actualy thinks communism is some kind of thing to nobaly defend and look to, like any fuking thin fidel did

and you rank on me for using expletives like i got nothing to do while you bring in pure unadaltered crap?

i cant beleive there are mother fukers actualy defending fidel castro these days...i mean what the fuk, they say he out lasted all these presidents???!!!! that is suposed to be good???!! that son of a bi tch lording over you for decade after decade? then his mothre fuking brother? what kind of sick mothre fukers actualy think that is good?
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written by asp, May 09, 2013
i just heard maduro was in brazil to ask dilma for some help with food for him because of food shortages...

the god dam country is oil rich, what the f**k does that mean? oh, it must be the fault of the usa

people come in talking about the invasion of the usa...i know where the real invasion came from...i love it when i hear a farc gets killed
Re: Question posed by Lloyd Cata: Brazil's role in Latin America.
written by Otton Bexaron, May 10, 2013
"Neue Zuericher Zeitung" - the major daily in Switzerland has an article on May 8. titled "Odebrecht hat Kuba im Visier". Odebrecht is working on a major expansion of Mariel harbor, as well as plantation of sugar cane for ethanol production. The author states that Lula made the introduction into Cuba several years ago for Marcelo Odebrecht. A few month' ago, Florida cattle and real estate baron John Parke Wright IV (Lykes dynasty), donated a luxury trip to Havana for four escorted by him and in his jet - to a charity fund raising for the new Naples children hospital. A couple got the trip for the winning bid of $60,000. JPW has been exporting cattle from Florida to Cuba since 2000 and is a personal friend of the "old" Castro - no not Fidel - but his older brother Ramon, "the cattle man". JPW family had raised raised cattle in Cuba since the 1850's - but were expropriated after 1959. But JPW now is back in business with Cuba and likes to get wealthy people to visit Havana. (His family own big real estate in Florida) All the wealthy people in Florida either visit Havana on their yachts or with "cultural tours" permitted by the U.S, but which are very expensive. Many wealthy U.S. American 55+ males want to play "Papa Hemingway" in Cuba "with a cultural association seminar". The perk - they don't have to rub shoulders with "American tourists" - because the average U.S. American is still prohibited to travel to Cuba as a tourist
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written by João da Silva, May 10, 2013

i just heard maduro was in brazil to ask dilma for some help with food for him because of food shortages...

the god dam country is oil rich, what the f**k does that mean? oh, it must be the fault of the usa


No, ASP, it is not the fault of the good ole U.S.of A. It is of their own making. Unlike other OPEC countries, Venezuela has plenty of cultivable land and oil. If Maduro's predecessor didn't develop a solid agricultural policy to feed his citizens, it is their fault for electing and reelecting Chavez.

It is perfectly alright for me if Maduro has come to visit Brasil to ask for "help", as long as he pays for the products he needs. smilies/smiley.gif
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written by asp, May 10, 2013
you do know that cubas health care for the poor is not the same as for the party, right? i brought in a link about it and the photos of some of their clinics for the poor were frightening...people like you and cata just dont want to face the hard truth...no, you will harp about some nationalists and commie party creeps putting all their energy into stopping the usa invasion, and not see the invasion of coke arms and drugs and violence from farc, who were supported by chavez

your head's are up your asses

what, joao, there isnt a secret cia lead group stopping food from coming into venezuela? is he actualy paying for it?
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written by João da Silva, May 10, 2013

"Neue Zuericher Zeitung" - the major daily in Switzerland has an article on May 8. titled "Odebrecht hat Kuba im Visier". Odebrecht is working on a major expansion of Mariel harbor, as well as plantation of sugar cane for ethanol production.


I bet the "dirty fingers" of our vanished fellow Swiss blogger ch.c is involved in this project.Probably he is financing it at an annual interest rate of 2.7% instead of the regular 3.7% charged by his competitors.smilies/shocked.gif
Response to Jao da Silva:
written by Otton Bexaron, May 10, 2013
Bom dia ! The fact is Brazil WANTS to sell food export to Venezuela and much is already being exported from Brazil to Venezuela. Venezuela still imports much of its food from the USA - to which it sells oil. The U.S. Agro-Lobby and U.S. Chamber of Commerce in Caracas is VERY HAPPY about exporting food to Venezuela. Venezuela also imports much food from Colombia - and again Juan Manuel Santos wants to keep exporting Colombia's food to Venezuela - where a huge portion of the urban population (especially in Caracas) consists of immigrants from Colombia (many naturalized by Chavez government a couple years ago.). In 1989 the daily per capita calorie consumption in Venezuela was 1,800 calories, in 2012 it was 2,800 (actually to much and leading to obesity). Thus, Venezuelans get more then enough to eat. The reason why Venezuela has imported food since at least a half a century: It was easier in 1959 to fly bread by plane from U.S. Puerto Rico then build the infrastructure to make it in then underdeveloped Venezuela. Cacoa was the classical agricultural export of Venezuela in bygone eras. Ranching of cattle for domestic consumption had been the other traditional food-producing industry. Thus, the patient bent-your-back farmer working on the field has never been in the cultural background: Sit on a horse with a whip, or wait for the cocoa to be harvested. The pre-Chavez (pre 199smilies/cool.gif governments had no interest in national development: Only sell oil to the USA, take your vacation in Miami and while there buy an apartment in Coral Gables .In the 1970 7-Eleven clerks in Miami marveled about the kids of wealthy tourists from Venezuela, coming to buy chewing gum with $ 100 bills ! After 1998 the Chavez government tried to start a land reform and assisted in the formation of farmers' cooperatives. But each move was contested in the courts and delayed for years - and some leaders of farmers' cooperatives were assassinated. As now admitted by both sides in Brazil's "reforma agraria": Many of the "would-be-farmers" that settle on land have no real vocation for farming, then try to sell it, or it becomes a backwoods slum. In 2013 it takes much more infrastructure, organization and technology to farm and produce and bring food to the markets - then in the days of Emiliano Zapata, when all just wanted to produce some corn and beans for the family, and transport was by "mule-caravans". Since Chavez 1998 - the legal challenges, the contra terrorism (against rural organizers), the lack of a culture for agricultural market production - have contributed to the need to import food from the USA, Colombia, Brazil. Thus far all gets paid by Venezuela! The U.S. will continue to depend on oil import from Venezuela - cheap maritime transport from Maracaibo to Houston - and most U.S. refineries are engineered only for the heavy "sour crude" from Venezuela! And the U.S. Agro-Lobby is going to make sure Congress does not interfere with Venezuela's ability to pay for U.S, agro-imports.
2 cents
written by Simpleton, May 10, 2013
Or is that nuisance? I am neither geopolitically savy nor sober nor prone to constipation but some of you folks make me just want to puke. Let's talk about the Brasilian Invasion of the US agro-business if we're going to talk about anybody invading anybody. It's huge and not just limited to agro either. You won't find 10 percent of the folks on any international flight headed to the US that aren't Brasilian or dual nationals.
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written by asp, May 10, 2013
well, otton, the news reports down here put using the word "food shortages", whether they are buying it or not doesnt excuse the fact that this oil rich nation shouldnt be having "food shortages".

by the way, everyone talks abuot the presidents before chavez, i just saw an article that said the president before chavez was trying to buck usa hemogy and trying to make advances to fidel...he changed , but, he was doing the same thing as chavez at first, chavez tried his own coup against him...

it never was about what chavez did or didnt do to his own people, it was how he contributed great instability in the area by backing farc, letting them come into venezuela, letting them ship cocaint through his borders into brazil...farc raped brazil..the son of a bitches, and chavez aided and abbetted them ...he was as much an imperialist as the usa

ottan , where are you posting from? dont be a coward, have some backbone and tell us where you are posting from, because you sound like someone reading about this a long ways away...

indeed , simpleton!!
Otton Bexaron
written by João da Silva, May 10, 2013

The reason why Venezuela has imported food since at least a half a century: It was easier in 1959 to fly bread by plane from U.S. Puerto Rico then build the infrastructure to make it in then underdeveloped Venezuela. Cacoa was the classical agricultural export of Venezuela in bygone eras. Ranching of cattle for domestic consumption had been the other traditional food-producing industry. Thus, the patient bent-your-back farmer working on the field has never been in the cultural background: Sit on a horse with a whip, or wait for the cocoa to be harvested.


Thanks for enlightening us on the Venezuelan "Cocoa" economy! It does sound similar to the 150 years of the "Beef Economy" of Argentinasmilies/smiley.gifsmilies/wink.gifsmilies/cheesy.gif

I am not sure where you hail from (Turkey??), but you have done some good homework on Brasil. I liked your comment on Prez.Geisel, though you forgot to include Prez.Figueiredo.

As for the comment made by our esteemed &respectable blogger Simpleton:

I am neither geopolitically savy nor sober nor prone to constipation but some of you folks make me just want to puke. Let's talk about the Brasilian Invasion of the US agro-business if we're going to talk about anybody invading anybody. It's huge and not just limited to agro either. You won't find 10 percent of the folks on any international flight headed to the US that aren't Brasilian or dual nationals.


Simp forgot (or didn't bother to read) the comments written by our scholarly fellow bloggers Dr.L.C., Cel.Ederson, etc;about the effect of using the Chemical Fertilizers in his beloved "Corn Belt"smilies/angry.gif
Simpleton
written by João da Silva, May 10, 2013

Let's talk about the Brasilian Invasion of the US agro-business if we're going to talk about anybody invading anybody.


Oh, yeah, ole boy. Lets talk about it. You referring to Jorge Lehmann taking over your beloved Burger King financed by the Brasilian Tax Payers (read BNDES) ?smilies/wink.gifsmilies/cheesy.gifsmilies/grin.gif

BTW, the Americans are very happy to buy "cheap" products made in PRC (including frozen veggies), but...but...but...they are unaware of the exotic food the Brasilians produce. Earnestly hope they remain unaware, because we do not want the domestic prices of these items do not go up.smilies/shocked.gif
Brazil's Agro-Business is a competitor of the USA agro-export.
written by Otton Bexaron, May 10, 2013
Brazil has a very advanced agro-industry (now asked to advise other nations through EMPRABA). But the major intermediaries in Brazil are U.S. companies - like Monsato, or Bunge of Netherlands. The U.S. Farm Lobby contracted two former U.S. trade negotiators to publish a study titled: FARMS HERE FORESTS THERE - advocating to push Brazilians to accept a token payment in order to stop agricultural expansion. The Gardiner-Friedman team came up with: "If tropical agriculture (meaning Brazil) can be stopped from expanding, then U.S. agro-producers can earn an EXTRA $ 272 BILLION until 2030". (See the report in the net!) It caused an uproar in Brazil both in Right, the Center, and the Left and was widely commented and condemned. Last week the U.S. and all its 28 European-Nato "partners" voted against Brazil and most of the other nations, against the Brazilian Roberto Azevedo as head of the World Trade Organization (which fined U.S. for illegal cotton production subsidies) . The U.S. and the NATO gang wanted "their man" from as head of WTO - from Mexico - whose agriculture has already been destroyed by NAFTA import of U.S. subsidized corn and other food commodities. Now Mexicans either work on U.S. farms or in U.S. assembly plants in Mexico where they can undercut U.S. wages and social contributions and eliminate labor unions in the USA. The USA and Nato-Europe compete with their tax-payer subsidized farm exports worldwide against Brazil, where farmers get no production subsidies. As for Lemann buying Burger King - U.S. health insurance companies buy health insurance companies in Brazil, CVS Pharmacies bought Brazil largest chain. That is international capital that goes with the flow - see how U.S. companies like Wallwart and KFC spread over China. But overarching: The U.S. wants to dominate both China and Brazil geopolitically and strategically. Both China and Brazil know that: China's Navy pilots got trained on Brazil's carrier, and Brazil's satelites are launched by Chinese in China because the U.S. openly paralysed Brazil space program - delivering defective components, then prohibiting German companies from assisting Brazil, last putting obstacles into the Ukraine's assistance with Brazil's space program. Wikileaks show U.S. Embassy telling Ukraine: "The U.S. does not favor the development of Brazil's space program".
Lemann Institute for Brazil Studies at University of Illinois.
written by Otton Bexaron, May 11, 2013
A few years ago, Lemann donated $ 12 million to the University of Illinois to fund the "Lemann Institute for Brazil Studies".
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written by João da Silva, May 11, 2013

As for Lemann buying Burger King - U.S. health insurance companies buy health insurance companies in Brazil, CVS Pharmacies bought Brazil largest chain.


Mr.Bexaron, sure it is perfectly alright for me. But...but... my question is: Where do the U.S. companies get their financing from, the U.S. Government?

In my understanding, BNDES stands for "Banco Nacional de Desenvolvimento Econômico e Social" (National Economic and Social Development") and unless they changed their charter in recent times, its function was not to finance mergers, take overs, etc.!
Brasil and China will stop American domination
written by Danny Archer, May 12, 2013
Did I sense a bit of pride in what is apparently a developing military cooperation between China and Brasil? Over much of Eastern Asia, China poses a real threat to the peace and freedom of several countries who, unfortunately, bear the burden of being China's neighbors.
Brasil, however, is probably doing the right thing by teaming up with China to stop American domination. Indeed, what an honor for the Chinese to have rented an out-dated French aircraft carrier from their latest lackey to learn modern carrier technique and tactics from the greatest naval aviation authority in South America. Possibly, during a future joint maneuver perhaps, Brasil could send its pint-sized 30,000 ton ex-French antique to Vietnam, the Philippines, Japan, Taiwan, Malaya, Singapore, Indonesia, and its other, supposed BRIC partner, India and further discuss American domination. And while the Sao Paulo is there, give the men liberty to visit Nepal so they can see American domination for themselves.
South Africa. Blah. Too many questions.
Still, an interesting article and view point.
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written by João da Silva, May 12, 2013

After warmly welcoming our new blogger, Mr.Danny Archer, I must agree as well as contest some of his statements.smilies/sad.gif

Did I sense a bit of pride in what is apparently a developing military cooperation between China and Brasil?


Yes, you did indeed.

Over much of Eastern Asia, China poses a real threat to the peace and freedom of several countries who, unfortunately, bear the burden of being China's neighbors.


Utter nonsense,my dear sir. Pure propaganda spread by its envious neighbors.smilies/angry.gif

Indeed, what an honor for the Chinese to have rented an out-dated French aircraft carrier from their latest lackey to learn modern carrier technique and tactics from the greatest naval aviation authority in South America. Possibly, during a future joint maneuver perhaps, Brasil could send its pint-sized 30,000 ton ex-French antique to Vietnam, the Philippines, Japan, Taiwan, Malaya, Singapore, Indonesia, and its other, supposed BRIC partner, India and further discuss American domination.


Mr.Archer, it is called "Counter-trade". We ship all our antiques to those countries and import cheap junk from them, thus bringing our trade balance to Zero. Of course that would be done without any American like Lloyd or ASP interfering in the trade "negotiations". If my memory serves right, the Brits "exported" all the machinery & other equipment they got from the Germans as "war reparations" after the WW2 to their ex-colonies, right?smilies/wink.gif

Still, an interesting article and view point.


Agreed.Hope you stick around in this blog to continue discussing about the advantages of having China as our friend and trading partner.smilies/smiley.gif
Get the point: Brazil right or wrong fights for its independence from USA and NATO "partners".
written by Otton Bexaron, May 12, 2013
Stop whining about what Brazil does right or wrong and with whom. While you watch FOX and BBC, Brazil is in a "life and death" struggle to gain its total independence from the USA and its NATO "partners" (primarily Britain and Germany). With other words, the still powerful former colonial powers. The only "alliance" which Brazil has with China, Russia, India, South Africa is the ISSUE ALLIANCE to end U.S.-NATO geopolitical control and allow the emergence of each BRICS -and others with the total geopolitical freedom within a MULTI-POLAR WORLD. There is a chance that Brazil may become fully independent from U.S. and NATO "partner" interventions, interference, sabotage, subversion and become one of the geopolitically independent poles in the emerging multi-polar world - or after 2014 the nationalists in Brazil are defeated and a Francisco Hernandez Cardoso CLON, or Osmarina the beloved of the Euro-Greens entere the Alvorada, and Brazil has to stop development of energy, agriculture, technology and its military has to join NATO to police worldwide for "The West". The project of an independent "SOUTH" (India-S.Africa-Brazil) will be defeated. China has existed and survived 5,000 years of Mongols, Turks, Japanese, and "The West" - and will continue "solo" to exist. But Brazil would possibly be "partitioned" eventually by amputating its current national territory with "Autonomous Indigenous Nations" - a Guarani "Nation"state carved from the bordering areas of Brazil, Paraguay, Argentina, Bolivia, and a Yanomami "Nation" state carved out of Brazil, Venezuela, Guyana: Under the protection of the "international community" (read: USA, Britain, Germany). Lerrer-Rosenfield, Augusto Heleno, Gelio Fregapani, Orlando Villas Boas, and even Aldo Rebelo have warned against this "plan" by the USA, Britain, Germany, the Vatican. That is were the right, the military, and the left agree in Brazil. (What the left thinks about "indigenous autonomies" see O IMPASSE BOLIVIANO by Aldo Rebelo. What the right thinks looks at videos about Augusto Heleno. What the nationalist center thinks look at PROFECIA ORLANDO VILLAS BOAS. Again the nationalists in Brazil - right, center, left - realized that now is the RUBICON in the epic battle to free Brazil from the USA and its NATO "partners" and the Vatican. But Brazil may against it too many internal "vende patrias" and the infestation of thousands of U.S. and NATO NGOS, and the organized media of "The West", and the Vatican. Bom - now you can go back to sleep, watch FOX or Globo or BBC, or write a few expletives...
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written by asp, May 12, 2013
Otton, you are one realy peice of work, I gotta tell you

I mean, where in the fuk are you posting this crap from? You are reading about Brazil from a long way a way, cherry picking little things and making them seem like they are big...

you know what the real day to day problems down here are now? we got more violence on the streets, there is some inflation coming in that is upsetting the apple cart, so there are more strikes, sus medical facilities are plauged with faults, sometimes it looks frightening to be poor and sick, corruption from the far right and left is in the news again up in acre,

the goddam dollar has been stable near 2 reis for a while now, any cambio worries are on hold and have been, you are behind and misinformed

anyone losing sleep over a usa invasion of south america has got their head up their ass

you look as dumb as cata about these things..where the f**k do you guys get off making your dumbed down analysis of what is going on?

the ultra nationalists and far left are full of sh!t
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written by asp, May 12, 2013
and fuk you, i dont get fox news down here
asp
written by João da Silva, May 12, 2013

you look as dumb as cata about these things


You sure Dr.L.C & Mr.O.B are not one and the same?smilies/wink.gifsmilies/cheesy.gifsmilies/grin.gif
Otton Bexaron
written by João da Silva, May 12, 2013

The project of an independent "SOUTH" (India-S.Africa-Brazil) will be defeated.


There is a big problem in this "Southern Alliance", Otton. India is over populated like China and both the countries have depleted natural resources and arch rivals vying with each other to be the "Super Powers" in Asia. However, China became a permanent member of the UNSC a long time ago is far ahead of India in its efforts to conquer the West by "peaceful" means (like they did in Tibet).

As for the third partner, South Africa,our rookie blogger Dan Archer says:

South Africa. Blah.


I think he implies South Africa is a non-entity, though I am not too sure.

As for me, hope this Great Southern Alliance is formed ASAP so as to stop the Yankee Juggernaut into the Amazons and far below down South.

BTW, I am not whining about "what Brazil does right or wrong and with whom", but...but...but... as a tax payer, the least I expect from our government is to do the "right" thing.

Nepal and Tibet
written by Danny Archer, May 12, 2013
I did mean Nepal, I actually forgot to mention Tibet. Currently, Nepal is in Crisis. It will eventually, if not soon, fall to the Chinese sponsored Moaists, and any hint of Hindu culture, which presently acts as perhaps the last remaining buffer between India and China will be gone.
BRIC? Give me a break. See it now while it's still, supposedly, somewhat free.
Danny Archer
written by João da Silva, May 12, 2013

I did mean Nepal, I actually forgot to mention Tibet.


Danny, first came Tibet. Now comes Nepal (I didn't know where the heck is Nepal until I consulted the Google Map.Pardon my ignorance).

I am thrilled at your suggestion of sending the officers and sailors of our carrier "São Paulo" to Nepal on a "fact finding mission". But...but...but... wait a minute. Nepal is a landlocked country, isn't it? Or Google map is wrong? I am a bit confused.Clue me in, please.
Brasil's mission to Nepal
written by Danny Archer, May 12, 2013
Joao, no one said that this new alliance was going to be easy, but the Sao Paulo is an aircraft carrier, and even its antiquated flock of AMERICAN A-4s should be able to follow the Ganges to the border and turn left to Kathmandu. An hour's flight maybe?smilies/wink.gif
To Joao da Silva: Independent "South" as a geo-diplomatic three nations "tag team":
written by Otton Bexaron, May 12, 2013
IBAS organization - India-Brazil-South Africa is meant primarily only as a "three-nation-geo-diplomatic-tag team" that can climb into the global geopolitical-diplomatic arena to stand up - primarily against the "tag team" USA & NATO "Partners". Example - last week IBAS India, Brazil, South Africa, backed by the majority of 120+ WTO member nations defeated the USA&NAT candidate for General Director of WTO (a Mexican) and elected the Brazilian diplomat Robert Azevedo. That is the primary purpose of an "independent SOUTH" as geo-political-diplomatic "tag team" which can climb into the ring against the "North" also termed "The West": The USA and its NATO "Partners". For that geopolitical-geodiplomatic purpose it is irrelevant that three otherwise quite different and problem-burdened nations are the IBAS team. But if Marin da Silva or another Fernando Collor or FHC - gets elected with a center-right coalition in 2014 - the current nationalistic and indepentista position of Brazil will vanish and Brazil will revert to the pre-Lula era of following as "partner" #34 of the "The West": With other words, the President and Government of Brazil has to follow whatever the U.S. Embassy "suggests". Read the wikileaks of the pre-2002 era! The current coalition of center and left parties probably will squeak through with Dilma as candidate - but 2014 will be a very critical election due to looming economic and financial problems. ( Para aclarar -eu realmente esrevo todo isto nao para os leitores que obviamente nao tem a visao internacional- mas bem para os autores dos articulos - e para eu mesmo desenvolver minha analise...)
Otton Bexaron
written by João da Silva, May 13, 2013

IBAS organization - India-Brazil-South Africa is meant primarily only as a "three-nation-geo-diplomatic-tag team" that can climb into the global geopolitical-diplomatic arena to stand up - primarily against the "tag team" USA & NATO "Partners". Example - last week IBAS India, Brazil, South Africa, backed by the majority of 120+ WTO member nations defeated the USA&NAT candidate for General Director of WTO (a Mexican) and elected the Brazilian diplomat Robert Azevedo. That is the primary purpose of an "independent SOUTH" as geo-political-diplomatic "tag team" which can climb into the ring against the "North" also termed "The West"


Obviously you have dumped China from this alliance and hopefully Mr.Archer & I contributed indirectly to your change of mind. Sometime ago a very bright & scholarly blogger had proposed a different alliance called BSAA (Brasil,South Africa & Australia). Danny Archer may also be in favor of IBSA, since China has been excluded. I think his animosity towards China is because of its making nuisance of itself among its neighbors. Also many of us suspect that it may gobble up huge swath of our territory to plant soy beans. So we better keep it at a distance and impose more restrictions on importing their goods from them. We do not want to commit the same mistake the Yanks did, do we?

But my doubt is both India & South Africa have heavy British& American influence on them and are they willing to disobey their "Masters" & play ball with us? Dr.L.C. may be able to clarify my doubt.

As for your comment:

But if Marin da Silva or another Fernando Collor or FHC - gets elected with a center-right coalition in 2014 - the current nationalistic and indepentista position of Brazil will vanish and Brazil will revert to the pre-Lula era of following as "partner" #34 of the "The West"


Your fear is unfounded, if I may say. According to the polls, Madame Roussef is likely to win in the first round itself.


Danny Archer
written by João da Silva, May 13, 2013

Joao, no one said that this new alliance was going to be easy, but the Sao Paulo is an aircraft carrier, and even its antiquated flock of AMERICAN A-4s should be able to follow the Ganges to the border and turn left to Kathmandu.


Great suggestion, Danny. Our mission to Nepal will be for the sole purpose of gathering intelligence and not to get involved with the Maoist rebels. We certainly wouldn't like to upset our Indian allies (now that we have decided to dump China), would we?
Absolute intelligence!
written by Danny Archer, May 13, 2013
Of course, Joao! Such a foray into the outer limits could only be associated with intelligence. We wouldn't want Brasil's loss of innocence to be anything other than intelligent. smilies/wink.gif
But I am a bit confused. Did you say Brasil has decided to dump China for India? Well, I thought the thrust of the entire article was to point out the dangers of domination by the Yanks and NATO, both of which, if I understand correctly, are heavily influenced, if not led by, the deplorable English. Such an act on Brasil's part is commendable if it is to remain aloof and free of the English [NATO] influence. But why would Brasil turn to India? India, by god, is the major stake holder in the English Commonwealth and a paid-up member! Won't Brasil, by aligning with India, in a roundabout way, be returning to the demon it is try to escape?
Another point. If BRIC is truly trying to escape the clutches of the English led NATO, then why are half of the BRIC nations fully paid members of the ENGLISH Commonwealth. Look it up. South Africa is paid up and a secure part of the commonwealth.
I'm not sure, but something tells me that the English and NATO, and no doubt their Yankee lackeys, just slipped into BRIC through the back door.
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written by Edersen, May 13, 2013
Otton,

Your insights are quite visionary & make for fascinating reading. Can you also enlighten us on how the zionists play into this US/Nato 'the west' cabal.....in its plans to destabilize Brasil.

What I do find hard to believe is that the Germans have capitulated to the anglo-american-zionist troika, especially given the destruction of their homeland, the mass murder of their civilian population & seperation of Pomerania, Silesia, Prussia, etc. from the rest of the country 60+ years ago. Maybe the Germans are biding their time & playing a double game.

I am quite relieved that Brasil is finally showing an interest in acquiring Russian armaments & technology. Dilma & Vlad have an excellent chemistry between them. Brasil is in a unique position to be a natural ally of each of the rest of the BRICs.

And then there is Brasil's good relationships with Japan, Korea, Iran, Turkey, etc.

Finally, asp, please go & fuk a c**kroach, your needledick would not allow for anything more substantial.........
Come on Joao!
written by Danny Archer, May 13, 2013
If you are going to pirate Ederson's name, please spell it correctly!smilies/tongue.gif
Ederson
written by João da Silva, May 13, 2013

Cel.Ederson, long time no hear. Though your sidekick "Limpopo" has kept us informed of your welfare as well as your busy schedule, it is nice to be in touch with you directly. Thank you for joining us, the worthless peasants.

I paid attention to your thought provoking questions addressed to our distinguished fellow blogger Mr.Bexaron, especially about the odious & despicable "Anglo-American-Zionist" troika that is about to destabilize our country. I await his customary visionary insights.

In the meantime, I liked the idea of our carrier BNS São Paulo sailing all the way to Katmandu on River Ganges & I urge you to lead the mission (provided you are not too busy).

P.S to Daniel Archer who wrote:

If you are going to pirate Ederson's name, please spell it correctly


Ah didn't pirate the good Cel's name.Why don't you go & fuk a c**kroach. smilies/angry.gif
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written by João da Silva, May 13, 2013

Where the heck is our distinguished "First American" blogger, Dr.L.C.? Probably joined the Troika our honorable Cel wrote about.smilies/angry.gif
BRAZZIL PRESENTS REALLY SERIOUSLY INTERESTING ARTICLES
written by Otton Bexaron, May 13, 2013
The quality of articles published by BRAZZIL is excellent. The quality is similar to that published by academics and former diplomats in the sites of pertinent foundations.
Otton Bexaron
written by João da Silva, May 14, 2013

The quality of articles published by BRAZZIL is excellent. The quality is similar to that published by academics and former diplomats in the sites of pertinent foundations.


Because of the quality of the articles, this magazine attracts scholarly and well informed commentators like your good self, Ederson, Danny Archer, Ricardo Amaral, Dr.L.C., ASP et & all. Such people do help ordinary readers like me to understand Geopolitics.

Our fellow blogger Cel.Ederson asked you a relevant question to you and I repeat it:

Otton,

Your insights are quite visionary & make for fascinating reading. Can you also enlighten us on how the zionists play into this US/Nato 'the west' cabal.....in its plans to destabilize Brasil.


I am also interested in knowing your view on the role of the Zionists in this US/NATO/UK alliance.

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written by Double-Dot, May 14, 2013

I'm not sure, but something tells me that the English and NATO, and no doubt their Yankee lackeys, just slipped into BRIC through the back door.


We aint no lackeys of the Limeys nor gonna let them slip into Brazil undetected.

God bless America.
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written by peter king, May 14, 2013
me thinks ederson, limpopo & dany archer are all 'farina do mesmo sacco'...spending time together in the same steamy hottub, 'engaging' each other in all kinds of 'touchy-feely' rethoric smilies/wink.gif asp should join in on all 4s, am sure he'd make a big splash smilies/grin.gif

btw, did ederson mention his new possessions - a flying saucer & a magic rug...both of israeli design & made in china smilies/cheesy.gif
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written by Franz Von Werra, May 14, 2013

me thinks ederson, limpopo & dany archer are all 'farina do mesmo sacco'...spending time together in the same steamy hottub, 'engaging' each other in all kinds of 'touchy-feely' rethoric


Quite possible.smilies/wink.gif
Response to Joao da Silva, re: Zionism.
written by Otton Bexaron, May 15, 2013
Israel is strictly "in business for itself" and will sell out the U.S. to China or Russia or anybody if it pays: Read up on USS LIBERTY - the CIA-spy-ship which the Israelis attacked 1973 resulting a dozen dead CIA personnel and over one hundred injured. Israels Air Force and Navy attacked the CIA's USS Liberty for two hours. Why: The CIA ship was "listening in" while Israel massacred Egypt's soldiers taken as prisoners in the Sinai. Later JONATHAN POLLARD, a U.S. Navy intelligence analyst delivered an estimated 200,000 secret U.S. Navy documents to the Israeli Intelligence. Including the secret communication codes of all U.S. submarines. They probably gave them to the Soviets in exchange for the exit permits of Jews from the USSR. JONATHAN POLLARD got a life sentence in the U.S. and Israel tries every year to gain his release: But no U.S. President will release the Israeli spy JONATHAN POLLARD in our life time - because the U.S. Navy had to swallow the USS Liberty incident, but will never forget the loss of 200,000 secret documents. ---Nevertheless - Israel serves U.S. geopolitical interests in Latin America. VEJA magazine in Brasil represent Israel's media penetration in Brasil. Mossad "stations" probably in all nations of Latin America. Some or known - look for "Mossad" and then the name of the nation. The Israelis helped Uribe government in Colombia against the FARC, and were involved in the overthrow of President Zelaya in Honduras. Mossad and Israel's interest are advanced in Latin America buy "entrepreneurs" who have immigrated and got their capital from Mossad. But Israel is also helpful in providing Brazil's military with technology, and Israel is not known to support any of the many U.S. and European NGOs that are subversively active in Brazil and Latin America to obstruct development. The U.S. and Europe gain geopolitically by paralyzing Latin America - but Israel is interested in a developed Latin America which can buy Israel's technology and pharmaceutics. As for "Zionism" - it is dead: 32,000 U.S. Jews moved to Israel, while 600,000+ Israelis moved to the U.S.
Otton Bexaron
written by João da Silva, May 15, 2013

re: Zionism.


Than you for your enlightening comments on Israel & Zionism that effectively debunk Cel.Ederson's "veiled" allegation that Zionists also may be involved in UK/US/NATO alliance.

Israel is interested in a developed Latin America which can buy Israel's technology and pharmaceutics


We are already buying them and they do sell good stuff.
"China investments in Brazil more diversified" CHINADAILY USA, 5.14.2013
written by Otton Bexaron, May 16, 2013
The article (on the net at CHINA DAILY) quotes the observations of U.S. business experts (not Chinese of Brazilians). They note especially the new move of Chinese to invest in infrastructure projects in Brazil and Latin America. Trade between China and Brazil in 2012 was $ 75 billion, and additional Chinese investment made 2012 in Brazil (in addition to previous investments in the past) was $ 12 billion. China is Brazil's largest trade partner. ---- The Chinese will also begin automobile manufacturing in Brazil. Fiat (Italy) is just starting a major expansion of its auto, truck and agro-machine production in Brazil. Germany's BMW and Mercedes are also expanding their production in Brazil.
Otton Bexaron
written by João da Silva, May 16, 2013

China is Brazil's largest trade partner. ---- The Chinese will also begin automobile manufacturing in Brazil.


Is it good or bad for Brasil? A few years ago our friend Ricardo Amaral wrote a very interesting article about "New Asia Currency" and why the Chinese should invest billions of dollars in Brasil to better the existing (and dilapidated)infrastructure. One of the many interesting areas (he listed) that they should look into was "Broadband" connection to take the Internet to the underprivileged mass. My contention was, we had (& still have) enough resources to develop a first class "WIFI" system. Indeed it is being developed without the "help" of the Chinese.

I agree that China is Brasil's largest trading partner (so far), because of the raw material they buy (from us and other Lat Am countries). But my question is:What benefit do they (or BMW) bring by starting more "Automobile Manufacturing" plants in Brasil?

Considering that our highways and city streets are already flooded with automobiles and our public transport system is clogged, do you think it is worth it? Of course, unless the People's Republic has a plan to invest in expanding our Highways and Railroads.smilies/sad.gif
Response to Jaoa da Silva:
written by Otton Bexaron, May 16, 2013
Look at it in the net - even if you can't understand most of it: NEUE ZUERICHER ZEITUNG. 7.5.2013 "DIE NEUEN SAMBA MULTIS AUS BRASILIEN". That is what people with real money read (not me - sadly) who watch from Switzerland. 3G, JBS, BRF,WEG,ODEBRECHT,SABO,MARCOPOLO - are the most awe-inspiring (to big international investors) of Brazil's multi-national "concorcios". Most of the autoparts that go into making BMW, Mercedes, Ford, Fiat - in Brazil are made by Brazilian subcontractors in Brazil, from minerals mined and processed by half-state VALE (partly owned by governmental banks and pension funds), or plastic and rubber made by Brazilians companies with Brazilian raw materials, with electricity made in Brazil at lower costs then in Germany. The Germans, Italians, Americans design the cars, then the material made in Brazil by Brazilians is put together, and the Mercedes star is slapped on the front - then the "German" car is sold to guy who supplied something to the Brazilian subcontractor. Brazil's MARCOPOLO makes busses in Russia - with Russian labor and Russian raw material: The Russians figured out that a MARCOPOLO designed bus that survives the rodovias in Brazil can also survive Russia's drivers! The poultry the entire Arab world eats is from imported frozen from Santa Catarina, like much pork eaten in China, and orange juice consumed in the U.S. . The Swiss article mentions the superior management skills of Brazilian managers (who run Brazil's multis in many nations) because they are used to difficult conditions from their experience in Brazil !
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written by Franz Von Werra, May 16, 2013
(Israel is strictly "in business for itself") - that is why they are not to be trusted

(Israel is interested in a developed Latin America which can buy Israel's technology and pharmaceutics) - mostly all stolen or copied from the 1st world

(Mossad and Israel's interest are advanced in Latin America buy "entrepreneurs" who have immigrated and got their capital from Mossad) - all the more reason for ABIN to keep close tabs on them
(As for "Zionism" - it is dead) - no, it has morphed into a kleptocratic, genocidal, totalitarianism

Otton Bexaron
written by João da Silva, May 16, 2013

Look at it in the net - even if you can't understand most of it: NEUE ZUERICHER ZEITUNG. 7.5.2013 "DIE NEUEN SAMBA MULTIS AUS BRASILIEN". That is what people with real money read (not me - sadly) who watch from Switzerland.


Otton, I am not too familiar with "NEUE ZUERICHER ZEITUNG." and like you not one of the kind with money (sadly). But....but....but.. a wealthy Swiss blogger (and a good friend of ours) based in Geneve had a different opinion. We haven't heard from him since the Arab Spring "blossomed" in Tunisia and we all believe he was KIA. May his soul RIP.
Response to Franz von Werra:
written by Ottn Bexaron, May 17, 2013
U.S. "establishment" (the non-Jewish old stock big money crowd like the Bakers and Bush's of Houston and their fundamentalist "Christian" church operators) use Israel strictly for U.S. geopolitical purposes - keep the Arab divided (Monarchies versus fundamentalists and all versus democratic secular nationalists). Likewise, AIPAC and Mossad (with thousands of "collaborators" - not real agents) in the U.S. use the USA for their purpose - much like a "mahout" sits on an elephant and directs it with his heels. The establishment conservative Patrick Buchanan has said: "U.S. Congress is Israel-occupied territory!". There is a constant resistance of U.S. military (Pentagon) against the AIPAC lobby in Washington. Thus Israel and USA are using each other, just like Israel would like to use the Europeans, Russia, China, Latin America for its purposes. But look at the clock: Of the 5.5 million Jews in USA, half marry non-Jews and 2/3 of their children are raised as non-Jews. Secretary of State Kerry is the grandson of a Polish Jew who married an Irish Boston princess and adopted the name "Kerry". Former Defense Minister William Cohn is married to an African-American journalist. Chelsea Clinton (Bill and Hillary's daughter) married a Jew. Thus "Zionism" is passed its time - many Israelis are migrating to the U.S., Canada, even Germany to start a "new life" away from the "Zionistic" aspects of Israel. But Israel for its national geopolitical and economic purposes is active everywhere in Latin America - sometimes strictly for its own purposes, sometimes as "Trojan horse" of the U.S.. Ileana Ros-Lehtinen in Miami and Washington, a Cuban Jew of Turkish Sephardic ancestry(converted to a Christian denomination) is the most influential operator in U.S. Congress to advance Israel's interests together with U.S. geostrategic interests in Latin America. Other figures of interest: Elliot Abrams and Otto Reich. Millions of Brazilians and Latin Americans have some remote ancestry from converted Jews. Even some "Hispanic Americans" in the Southwest - whose ancestors migrated into Arizona, New Mexico, Colorado in the 17th and 18th century. And tens of millions of Latin Americans (ten million + in Brazil) have some remote ancestry from converted Muslims that migrated from Spain and Portugal, but above all from the Christian-Arab migration, post-1880 from Syria, Lebanon, Israel. Notice the many Arabic family names in politics, academia, business, art. ( Clarice Assad's "Brazilian Fanfare" is the latest of Brazilian classical music to travel around the globe. See U.S. conductor Dawn Harms with the San Francisco Conservatory - conducting -youtube: "Brazilian Fanfare" (or "Brazilian fanfares" ?)
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written by asp, May 18, 2013
so mossad helped uribe fight farc, and that is a bad thing? what kind of fuking logic is that? otton ,you are boring, you dont know what the fuk is really happening...you do know the bitches who talked about educational books in the states, that said the amazon belonged to the world, was a hoax put forth by natioanalists in brazil? muthafukers who think the usa is going to invade south america have their heads up their asses

and ederson is fine but eder-SEN, you little punk bi!tch, what kind of dik suk goes around stealing names? you fuking slimy peice of sh!t
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written by asp, May 18, 2013
oh yeah, patrick buchanon is a real high leval intellectual scholar who we can count on for in depth insights.....man , fuk that, where do you get your intellect from...i am just a common man, but, i can put the truth together much better than your tired ass, otton...you are foolish, you deserve to be ridiculed

marxism is the most punk bitch peice of grade d crap to come down the pike since sharia law....go suk on a lemon
common man asp
written by limpopo, May 18, 2013
'so mossad helped uribe fight farc, and that is a bad thing? what kind of fuking logic is that?' - no asp (ape s**t punk), mossad helped both sides fight each other......u really have a farc fetish dont you...

otton is just a little bit over your yo head punk bitch...now go fuk your favorite c**kroach needledick...smilies/cheesy.gif
Limpopo
written by João da Silva, May 18, 2013

no asp (ape s**t punk), mossad helped both sides fight each other......u really have a farc fetish dont you...


So you subscribe to the theory of Barron Von Werra who said ABIN should keep close tabs on the Zionists who steal the technology from the first world and are selling it to us for a huge profit?

It is not very easy for a peasant like me to understand such complex Geopolitics.smilies/sad.gif Maybe our rookie blogger Comrade Danny Archer could enlighten us further.

Now to your rude comment to ASP:

.now go fuk your favorite c**kroach needledick...


How the f**k do you expect him to find C.roaches during the winter time? Don't ya know they are all hibernating?smilies/cool.gif
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written by João da Silva, May 18, 2013

Look what I read today.

"Will China mediate the Israeli-Palestinian peace process?"

http://behindthewall.nbcnews.c...ocess?lite

I think China will and should mediate the "Israeli-Palestine Peace process", though ah ain't sure how much it would charge from each parties.smilies/smiley.gifsmilies/wink.gifsmilies/cheesy.gifsmilies/grin.gif
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written by asp, May 19, 2013
hey, limpopo, what the fuk are you , another peice of dog s**t commenting about brazil from a thousand miles away? i think its over your fuking head, now bend over and suk your own dick
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written by asp, May 19, 2013
i mean it really is a fuking joke to get these points of views about the zionists running the world, the usa ready to invade south america,but no real insightto what the fuk is happeing down here on the ground in brazil

fuk you limpopo, you little peice of sh!t,violence, the hint of ominous inflation,strikes to keep up with inflation, the state of public health care, the flood of crack cocaine and arms into the country are the big problems brazilians are facing today...you mother fukers sound like lost farts in funky butts
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written by asp, May 19, 2013
you got it ass backwards, hugo chavez helped the farc, you fuking son of a bitch...little punk ass views like yours, who would put mossad as helping farc more than hugo chavez , are exactly the problem

you have diaria of the mouth bitch
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written by asp, May 19, 2013
otton over my head? yeah, his head is up the ass of marxism and sharia law...god i celibrate everytime i read a farc sob is killed or some f**king taliban gets drone bombed into oblivion

fuk you little bitches that think the usa is going to invade south america or some war on farc is an injustice to mankind...or that the poor little taliban should be left alone or some al quaeda bitches in yemen should be coddled and fuk american citizens who join al quaeda, off their punk asses too
asp
written by João da Silva, May 19, 2013

fuk you limpopo, you little peice of sh!t


ASP, I suggest you be very careful with Limpopo and Otton. For all we know, they might be agents of Bulgarian/Romanian Secret Services and decide to send their Drones to bomb your Bairro.smilies/shocked.gif I certainly wouldn't like to be considered as a "collateral damage" smilies/sad.gif
Franz Von Werra
written by Célio Eichmann, May 19, 2013

(As for "Zionism" - it is dead) - no, it has morphed into a kleptocratic, genocidal, totalitarianism


You have a point there, Franz.
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written by limpopo, May 20, 2013
Otton, I am still waiting for your comments on whether the Germans are playing a double game - in bed with the anglo-american-zionists while patiently biding their time.

Russia & the Southern Cone look like natural allies........
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written by Double-Dot, May 20, 2013

Russia & the Southern Cone look like natural allies


Southern Cone? Southern Triangle?

You mean to say the Ruskies are trying to ally with the Southerners? No way.
Re: Limpopo & Double Dot:
written by Otton Bexaron, May 21, 2013
There is a Germany that is allied with the U.S.: German military, BDN intelligence, the permanent administrative personnel in the Foreign Service). They take their orders from the U.S Embassy in Berlin and the CIA station. There is a Germany that is nationalistic looking out for Germany(but not Nazi): The elected Chancellors (Prime Ministers) and parliamentarians (like Congress), and industry: They are only interested in economic and social stability in Germany and European Union, and to sell exports which compete with exports from the USA (GM versus Mercedes, DuPont versus BASF). There is a Neo-Nazi Germany that is "Americanized " with rock music (borrowing from U.S. Aryan Nation gangs) active among the white trash (like U.S. cycle gangs and Confederate "red necks")-but with silent support of older conservative Germans in the middle class. There is a "Left" Germany which is substantially infiltrated by opportunists and fanatical environmentalists. About 150,000 Jews live in Germany - mostly of recent immigration from Russia. But here is a small, loud intellectual "Jewish lobby" in continuous uproar about Germany not sufficiently supportive of Israel. Summary: Above all German looks out for Germany and would rather not bother with Zionism or the geostrategic interests of Israel. Nor are most German interested in "active partnership" with the U.S. interventions (Iraq, Lybia, Syria, Afghanistan, Caucasus, Mali etc. etc.). But the permanent personnel in Germany's military, intelligence and foreign services are under the influence of the U.S. Embassy and CIA station. There are 58,000 U.S. troops in Germany, and several hundred U.S. atomic bombs in storage. Germany's elected government gets its arms twisted by the U.S. (pressure with propaganda, financial operations, etc.) and when forced has to play "partner". But in Iraq and Lybia interventions the German government refused to participate. Of Germany's 80 million population, 20 million are from non-German immigrants or immigrants (mostly Turks), and the 60 million ethnic Germans are predominantly over 40. There are few young ethnic Germans and the rate of reproduction (children) is one of the lowest in the world. Thus: Above all Germans want to make money with exports and not be bothered with global policing. But the U.S. can and does force them when possible to "share the burden"...
Otton Bexaron
written by João da Silva, May 21, 2013

Great comment, Otton. But....but....but... you wrote:

Above all German looks out for Germany and would rather not bother with Zionism or the geostrategic interests of Israel. Nor are most German interested in "active partnership" with the U.S. interventions (Iraq, Lybia, Syria, Afghanistan, Caucasus, Mali etc. etc.).


I certainly appreciate modern Germans's nationalistic "Vision". Then why are they so antagonistic towards the Turkish immigrants who were imported to be their janitors? IMHO, they are as racists as the deplorable Brits who did the same after the Sun permanently eclipsed their empire.

I for one would ally with people like Limpopo,ASP, Ederson, Danny Archer (and the despicable Dr.L.C.), etc; who are pro-Brasil.
Limpopo
written by João da Silva, May 21, 2013

Otton, I am still waiting for your comments on whether the Germans are playing a double game - in bed with the anglo-american-zionists while patiently biding their time.


Otton responded to you, didn't he? He seems to be a scholar and gentleman unlike Dr.L.C who seems to be shooting off his big mouth elsewhere.smilies/shocked.gif

Now your turn.smilies/wink.gif
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written by limpopo, May 21, 2013
Otton, thank you for a very naunced answer to a very complex question. I hope to see Germany 'unoccupy' herself from the US & pull out of Nato in my lifetime. In addition, Germany should stop taking in any more khazar refugees from Russia & get those ethnic turks to 'fix' that loud 'jewish lobby'. I still do believe that Europe's future lies under German tutelage.

As for asp, u sound like a confused semi-literate piece of trailer trash, probably squinty eyed, low forehead, beer belly, chipped coffee/tobacco stained teeth US american, sitting in the dark banging away his aggression on a computer keyboard. What exactly are u doing in Brasil these many years? Am hard pressed to figure how an ingrate like you would contribute to Brasil's progress. Who let u in? Your 1 redeeming feature - a deep knowledge & appreciation of Brasilian music......so we'll let you stay a bit longer. 1 learns to tolerate your type as 1 tolerates & humors the local village idiot....smilies/cheesy.gif
Limpopo
written by João da Silva, May 21, 2013

In addition, Germany should stop taking in any more khazar refugees from Russia & get those ethnic turks to 'fix' that loud 'jewish lobby'.


Now hang on for a sec, Limpopo. Are you proposing that Ms.Merckel should give a "final solution" to the problem of Russian khazars that are invading Deutschland like African killer bees. If so, you are out of your faculty.smilies/angry.gif
Get yourself a "Higher Education" !
written by Otton Bexaron, May 22, 2013
In a half an hour daily you can get a general fix on who says what by searching the online net page of New York Times (also activate "World" at left of page), Washington Post, Ria Novosti (Russia), Valdai Club (Russia), China Daily (China), Spiegel online English (Germany). In Brazil in Portuguese: O Estado de Sao Paulo, Defesanet, Agencia Brasil, Portal Vermelho. (A good mix from Right to Left in Brazil!) For good music in Portuguese search "musica cabo verde" and "musica caboverdiana": The music from Latin-Africa !
CORRECTION: Do not search for "musica caboverdiana or "musica cabo verde":
written by Otton Bexaron, May 22, 2013
Just "greasy kids stuff" appears under those search terms. Instead start with the BEST from Cabo Verde (Portuguese-speaking Latin-Africa) search youtube title: TITO PARIS NHA PRETINHA, and BANA MELHORS COLADEIRAS - then also other selections by those artistas caboverdianos.
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written by Double-Dot, May 22, 2013

Get yourself a "Higher Education" !


Are ya saying ah don't have higher education,ya Turkey?>smilies/sad.gif
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written by asp, May 22, 2013
awwww limpopo...what cha gonna do...kick me off...did you see otton rush in to try to show he knows music also....we are here on a brazilian site...where is the brazilian music?

hey popo, lets get one fuking thing straight, when mother fukers start piling in with the usa is bad and is going to invade south america, israel and the jews are running everything, and commies are some how noble...i dont haver fuking time for a mother f**king tea and crumppets polite tete a tete...no, its better to just say "fuk you...a*****e!!",why dont you mind your buiseness and deal with it your way but get the f**k away from me with your harrasement

hey joao...what is inour news today where we live, down here in brazil, in our little neck of the woods? violence,strikes and inflation...am i not bulls**tting? and people wonder why i get out of joint...and cold ass weather
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written by limpopo, May 22, 2013
'hey joao...what is inour news today where we live, down here in brazil, in our little neck of the woods? violence,strikes and inflation'

Yes that concerns me too & the causes go way beyond just farc. The Brasilian economy & society today is a true paradox. Not sure where things are headed. But when compared with the rest of the global scenario, it may be less terrible.....

Hate to say this but part of that inflation (also being experienced in other emerging markets) has been caused by the QE of the US, EU & Japanese central banks, part of it is caused by Brasilians themselves.......
asp
written by João da Silva, May 22, 2013

awwww limpopo...what cha gonna do...kick me off...did you see otton rush in to try to show he knows music also....we are here on a brazilian site...where is the brazilian music?


Kudos, ASP. Limpopo was waiting for his popo to be kicked real hard by someone and am glad you took the initiative. That little POS doesn't know you are from AZ.

As for Herr.Bexaron talking about the "Brazilian Music": Horses**t". Where the heck did he git the idea of coining the phrase "Latin-Africa"? Typical Condescending "European Mentality".

BTW, what is musica caboverdiana? I bet you are clueless.smilies/cool.gif
Limpopo
written by João da Silva, May 22, 2013

Hate to say this but part of that inflation (also being experienced in other emerging markets) has been caused by the QE of the US, EU & Japanese central banks, part of it is caused by Brasilians themselves.......


Limpopo, why don't you galvanize all the Brasilians who caused this inflação to sign up a petition requesting Mdme. Rousseff to bring it down by a decree? smilies/wink.gif
Otton Bexaron
written by João da Silva, May 22, 2013

In Brazil in Portuguese: O Estado de Sao Paulo, Defesanet, Agencia Brasil, Portal Vermelho. (A good mix from Right to Left in Brazil!)


You are right.

FYI, posting a link:

http://www.estadao.com.br/noti...4177,0.htm


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written by asp, May 23, 2013
yeah, popo, but people keep referring to the cambio wars, but the dollar has been near 2 reals and stable for a while now.....

i dont know that one, but i can tell you that crazy guy is plyaing at jurere open shopping at about 3 on june 1 and then coco raizes de arco verde is hitting at the lagoa the same night, i intend to try to see both groups...coco raizes is serious folkloric music from pernambuco, with great insights into music from the slave era days...and that crazy guy is ridiculas...but the dancer is fine
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written by asp, May 23, 2013
...the second paragraph was for you joao
asp
written by João da Silva, May 23, 2013

...the second paragraph was for you joao


I got your message loud and clear. June 1st? Lemme consult my agenda for that date.

In the meantime I want you to check with your pals in our Ministry of Science & Technology if our buddy Doc. Cata & O.Bexaron are the same fdp's. Bexaron wrote some comments on the dysfunctional catholic church (unfortunately, I have to agree with part of his (not so) ridiculous criticisms !!!!) and guess what? The young fool from WI had to jump in!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!.

Limpopo sounds to be a bright and scholarly fella, though you don't seem to like him much. I fully endorse his view points and I dont want any further silly quarrel between you too.smilies/smiley.gifsmilies/wink.gifsmilies/cheesy.gif

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