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Brazil Blasts US and Casts Doubt It Will Buy American Fighter Planes

Nelson Jobim Brazilian Defense minister, Nelson Jobim, told reporters this Friday, November 6, that the dispute between the US, France and Sweden to sell 36 fighter planes to the Brazilian Air Force is still going on and it's very strong.

He then went on to say he didn't want to create a controversy with any comment that might be seen favoring any of the countries and companies involved. But he didn't spare the United States.

"I will not get into a fight of companies," Jobim said after visiting the Cetex (Army's Technological Center), in Rio de Janeiro's west side.

According to the minister, the most controversial matter among the suppliers is the technology transfer issue and he emphasized that, in this area, the United States doesn't a have a favorable history.

"The trouble with the United States," he stated, "are past issues. The past is a big example of technology transfer embargo. We experience this here today at the Cetex."

Jobim revealed that during his visit to the technological center he heard reports by military men stating that American companies would supply technology for the finishing of military equipments, such as batteries and propellers, only in ten years.

The difficulty to formalize technology transfer deals, according to Jobim, is a problem for several countries. "This is part of the game," he commented. "All countries of the world don't want the others to develop technologically. But Brazil is going to develop itself."

Brazil's  Defense ministry intends to announce the winner of the bid to purchase the 36 fighter planes until the end of year. The Air Force is still evaluating the received proposals. The competitors are the Rafale fighter planes, from French company Dassault; the F/A-18 Super Hornet, from US company Boeing and Gripen NG, from Swedish company Saab.

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  • USA_Male

    transfer of technology
    Little mistake
    the SU-35 were considered by the brazilians, but transfer of technology, what is key for them, was a problem.

  • USA_Male

    the SU-35 were considered, but transfer of technolgoy, what is key for the brazilians was/is a problem.

  • Brazuca

    The excellent SU-35
    Whatever happened to the Russians and their excellent fighters? I should think that the SU-35 would easily best the other fighters in the running. Apparently the Russians consider themselves to be in the running, even though they’re never mentioned. (Plus they make beautiful fighters, in direct contrast to their ugly helicopters!) See here: http://www.defesanet.com.br/ru1/su-35.htm

  • João da Silva

    Forrest
    Sorry. It didn’t go through! 😥 Will try later.

  • João da Silva

    Forrest
    [quote]but me and the pic i sent to joao
    if you ask he may post them !?!?!?!? [/quote]

    Thanks Forrest. He is a sample pic:

    [img]http://mail.google.com/mail/?ui=2&ik=512680ff68&view=att&th=124d671d10df83ae&attid=0.1&disp=emb&zw[/img]

  • Forrest Allen Brown

    F/A 37 will kill all things once on board navy ships
    some may know it as the Boing 797 F but i bet no one has ever seen one ,

    but me and the pic i sent to joao
    if you ask he may post them !?!?!?!?

    but the FA 18 and all others are old school fighters but very good ones

  • Forrest Allen Brown

    look this way
    the next header up said that lula said pbo has not look at latin A sence the Trindad sunit

    but the US has a contract with coulmbia to help it protect itself from the FARC whom has friends with chaves and ecudor whith the US had baces in until chaves friend took power and look at lula big butt buddies with chaves .
    odds on euribe plane coming up missing on the flight back are strong with no radar in place in amazon it would be easy .

    and as lula put it pbo is stuck on his health care scheam for now but will pay a very large price later down the road .

    his next stunt will be passing a total free walk across the bordors from any country to get US citisen ship to drive down the wages in the US to meet SA standards ,

    next he will pass hie buddies UN bill which will require to US to pay fro carbon emissions while letting the likes of india , china, brazil poulit the hell out of the planet by not having pay or enforce the laws the US and other first world countries have in place .

    glad i have a boat unless they start taxing the water i will be okay .and as long as i do not check in to any ports with coustoms i be okay

  • Double-Dot

    [quote]wanting every US citisen not ot buy a thing the day after thanks giving

    in protest of pbo np health care bill
    [/quote]

    Ah been receiving such e-mail also, Gen. ThatÀ‚´s the way to protest. You know mah motto “DonÀ‚´t buy anything from Wal-Mart , that is the retail outlet for PRC.Ah buy only American, though its hard to find these days. Ah hear that our Brazilian friends are also going the same way as we have been doing for the past 30 years.

    If the Brazilians don’t want to buy F-18s, I aint going to lose mah sleep. Worth the try, though.

    [quote]I still say do not sell to brazil as other countries that are more our way will buy them . [/quote]

    If the Brazilians decide to buy F-18s which are the finest aircraft like our B series passenger planes, IÀ‚´d let them buy them. Why not?

    But ah think that they would decide on our competitors, as their Defense Minister has declared that he doesn’t trust us. The picture of him reminds me of that Russky commie Gorbashow.

    God bless America

  • Forrest Allen Brown

    DD
    I received a email this morning

    wanting every US citisen not ot buy a thing the day after thanks giving

    in protest of pbo np health care bill

    in order to show dem that in next nov elections they will not have a job any more

    will it work ????

    as the laraza had a day with out a mexican which showed a 30%drop in trafic accedents and lees robries.

    the million man march showed that only 19 of them needed to call in to tell work they would be out that day

    so let all the workers ,let the government know they will not have jobs next year

    I still say do not sell to brazil as other countries that are more our way will buy them .

  • Double-Dot

    [quote]let the military personal whom will depend on them say which one they want !!!! [/quote]

    ThatÀ‚´s mah point, General. It À‚´s up to aviators like Col.Costa to decide and not some senators who don’t know the difference between an airplane and a paper kite. The problem with our country,Gen, is we are letting idiots like Lieberman to decide our fate and ah hope our Brazilian buddies don’t get carried away by the bullshit their senators want them to believe.

    God bless America as well as Brazil.

  • Johnny corleone

    He who bribes higher shall get that contract. It has always been that way, and must continue to be. Money talks, and bull walks!

  • friend of chc

    Dear CHC (Chronicle Herpes Carrier)
    [quote]What was the deal ? One grain of rice and one bean…per f.ck ?[/quote]
    Two grains of rice and one bean.

    [quote]Can you still sit or cant you anymore stand up ? [/quote]
    Sitting is difficult.

    Yours truly,

    Costinha

  • Forrest Allen Brown

    the best deal would be
    let the military personal whom will depend on them say which one they want !!!!

    why should the congress of brazil be able to choose as i remember no are polits.

    to me it is a stall tactic like US senators do so they can buy stock in the company of choice to make even more money
    on the deal .

    ANd of corse why does brazil not buy from there buddies the chinese with the big loan they just got from them !!!

    Never mind the billions the US has given to brazil in the past and going to bat for them so they did not have to pay back the
    world bank its loans

  • João da Silva

    ch.c
    Hey ch.c. Long time, no hear and welcome back. Guess you were in Bangkok 😉

    During your well deserved absence (gave a break to all your distinguished fellow bloggers and thanks you so much for giving us all a respite), Forrest has come out with a serious allegation against you Swiss. He says that you guys shot down a few of their Bombers during the WW 2. How did you manage to do it with your bows and arrows? Please do clarify this issue ASAP.

    Nevertheless welcome back from Bangkok. 😉 😀 😉

  • ch.c.

    And to all
    Be just sure that I, ch.c., dont care at all what armaments Brazil is going to buy or not !
    It is just a proof, contrary to your 24/7 navel caressing endemic disease, that BRAZIL IS NUT in technology !
    Be it in trucks, cars, armaments, software, hardware, seeds, pesticides, tractors, harvesters, meds or just name it !

    Brazil can only produce BASIC COMMODITIES using foreign technologies !
    Or some more value added goods…..but…but….still with foreign technologies !

    THAT’S ALL until proven otherwise !

    Brazil is the only MEGA country on earth that still doesnt has its OWN cars makers….TO MY KNOWLDEGE !
    The other 3 BRIC members do have some LOCALLY OWNED CARS MAKERS !

    Feel free to continue with your navel caressing endemic disease !
    No one is ever going change your ADN for lying and be pretentious.

  • friend of chc

    Double-Pot
    [quote]whose asses were saved by us from the Krauts two times during the last century[/quote]

    Fed up with your anti-French rubbish. I imagine you have beat your Amerikan knucklehead against the proverbial wall once too many times.

    Vive La France

    God mess Amerika

    Costinha

  • ch.c.

    Hey Costinha….friend of chc !
    quite a prime news….at least for me !
    Long time no hear !
    Where have yiou been during this long silence ?
    From jail ?
    Did you get…..food for sex therapy there ?
    No doubt you enjoyed your long stay there !
    Hopefully you gained some weight finally.
    What was the deal ? One grain of rice and one bean…per f.ck ?
    Whoaaaaaa !
    Can you still sit or cant you anymore stand up ?
    I also bet that all your face pimples are gone by now !

    Hmmmmmm

    😀 😉 😀 😉 😀 😉 😀 😉

    Anyway….welcome back…until your next long vacations !

  • Double-Dot

    Forrest Allen Brown
    [quote]look for your self[/quote]

    Thanks General, for furnishing just the facts and figures to mah friend and let him decide whether his Air Force wants a toy fighter or a real one to keep the commies at bay.

    One question to ya, Gen: Do ya promise entire “technology transfer” to our friends in the Brazilian Air Force, including the source codes for our EWF system? Ah hope that they still remember how their Southern neighbors were screwed by the Frogs in 1982 and so they better be careful while dealing with the Frogs whose asses were saved by us from the Krauts two times during the last century. Oh-ba-ma is correct in doing the soft sell unlike that old fool Ronnie and the other old bag Maggie whom our Brazilian buddies never trusted.

  • Forrest Allen Brown

    look for your self
    General Characteristics, Super Hornet, E and F models

    Primary Function: Multi-role attack and fighter aircraft.
    Contractor: McDonnell Douglas.
    Date Deployed: First flight in November 1995. Initial Operational Capability (IOC) in September 2001 with VFA-115, NAS Lemoore, Calif. First cruise for VFA-115 is onboard the USS Abraham Lincoln.
    Unit Cost: $57 million
    Propulsion: Two F414-GE-400 turbofan engines. 22,000 pounds (9,977 kg) static thrust per engine.
    Length: 60.3 feet (18.5 meters).
    Height: 16 feet (4.87 meters).
    Wingspan: 44.9 feet (13.68 meters).
    Weight: Maximum Take Off Gross Weight is 66,000 pounds (29,932 kg).
    Airspeed: Mach 1.8 .
    Ceiling: 50,000 feet.
    Range: Combat: 1,275 nautical miles (2,346 kilometers), clean plus two AIM-9s
    Ferry: 1,660 nautical miles (3,054 kilometers), two AIM-9s, three 480 gallon tanks retained.
    Crew: A, C and E models: One
    B, D and F models: Two.
    Armament: One M61A1/A2 Vulcan 20mm cannon; AIM 9 Sidewinder, AIM-9X (projected), AIM 7 Sparrow, AIM-120 AMRAAM, Harpoon, Harm, SLAM, SLAM-ER (projected), Maverick missiles; Joint Stand-Off Weapon (JSOW); Joint Direct Attack Munition (JDAM); Data Link Pod; Paveway Laser Guided Bomb; various general purpose bombs, mines and rockets. See the F/A-18 weapons load-out page.

    General Characteristics, C and D models

    Primary Function: Multi-role attack and fighter aircraft.
    Contractor: Prime: McDonnell Douglas; Major Subcontractor: Northrop.
    Date Deployed: November 1978. Operational – October 1983 (A/B models); September 1987 (C/D models).
    Unit Cost: $29 million.
    Propulsion: Two F404-GE-402 enhanced performance turbofan engines. 17,700 pounds static thrust per engine.
    Length: 56 feet (16.8 meters).
    Height: 15 feet 4 inches (4.6 meters).
    Wingspan: 40 feet 5 inches (13.5 meters).
    Weight: Maximum Take Off Gross Weight is 51,900 pounds (23,537 kg).
    Airspeed: Mach 1.7 .
    Ceiling: 50,000 feet.
    Range: Combat: 1,089 nautical miles (1252.4 miles/2,003 km), clean plus two AIM-9s
    Ferry: 1,546 nautical miles (1777.9 miles/2,844 km), two AIM-9s plus three 330 gallon tanks.
    Crew: A, C and E models: One
    B, D and F models: Two
    Armament: One M61A1/A2 Vulcan 20mm cannon; AIM 9 Sidewinder, AIM 7 Sparrow, AIM-120 AMRAAM, Harpoon, Harm, SLAM, SLAM-ER, Maverick missiles; Joint Stand-Off Weapon (JSOW); Joint Direct Attack Munition (JDAM); various general purpose bombs, mines and rockets. See the F/A-18 weapons load-out page.

    France
    120 ordered,[2] 68 delivered as of June 2009[2]
    French Air Force – 42[2]
    French Navy – 26[2]
    [edit] Specifications

    A Rafale M flies above the aircraft carrier USS John C. Stennis.Data from Dassault Rafale characteristics,[55] Superfighters,[56] [57]

    General characteristics

    Crew: 1À¢€“2
    Length: 15.27 m (50.1 ft)
    Wingspan: 10.80 m (35.4 ft)
    Height: 5.34 m (17.5 ft)
    Wing area: 45.7 mÀ‚² (492 ftÀ‚²)
    Empty weight: 9,500 kg (C), 9,770 kg (B),[57] 10,196 kg (M) ()
    Max takeoff weight: 24,500 kg (C/D), 22,200 kg (M)[58] (54,000 lb)
    Powerplant: 2Àƒ”” Snecma M88-2 turbofans
    Dry thrust: 50.04 kN (11,250 lbf) each
    Thrust with afterburner: 75.62 kN with M88-Eco >90 kN after 2010 (17,000 lbf) each
    Performance

    Maximum speed:

    High altitude: Mach 2 (1,290 knots)[57]
    Low altitude: 1,390 km/h, 750 knots
    Range: 3,700 km (2,000 nmi)
    Combat radius: 1,852 km (1,000 nmi) on penetration mission
    Service ceiling: 16,800 m (55,000 ft)
    Rate of climb: 304.8 m/s (1,000 ft/s)
    Wing loading: 326 kg/mÀ‚² (83 1/3 lb/ftÀ‚²)
    Thrust/weight: 1.13
    Armament

    Guns: 1Àƒ”” 30 mm (1.18 in) GIAT 30/719B cannon with 125 rounds
    Missiles:

    Air-to-air:
    MICA IR/EM or
    Magic II and in the future
    MBDA Meteor
    Air-to-ground:
    MBDA Apache or
    SCALP EG or
    AASM or
    GBU-12 Paveway II or
    AM 39 Exocet or
    ASMP-A nuclear missile
    Avionics

    Thales RBE2 radar
    Thales SPECTRA electronic warfare system.
    Thales/SAGEM OSF (Optronique Secteur Frontal) infrared search and track system.

  • friend of chc

    God bless America and down with France.
    Down with France? You are a knucklehead.

    Costinha

  • Double-Dot

    [quote]May the best aircraft win… The Rafale by Dassault Aviation.[/quote]

    No way, mah friend. Ya all are going to buy F-18s and you going to be the first to test fly it. 😉 😀

    God bless America and down with France. 😀 😥

  • friend of chc

    Vive La France
    May the best aircraft win… The Rafale by Dassault Aviation.

    Costinha

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